Episode 8: "Common Threads" Options

[MicrowaveHo]

My point is that they both knew about it at the store but production forced them to go back and obviously address it with Tom during his spy mission around the kitchen. It was a situation that could and probably would have been delt with at the store but it was blown up into something far greater in the name of good tv.

Oh really? At what point did you see production rushing them into the cars and saying, "off we go!!! You guys are in BIIIIIG trouble now!!! I'm going to tell Tommy"

No, but seriously, do you know something I don't know based on some kind of blog or something?

Because as I saw it, Marissa narked on Otto to Tom. (Not the production staff.) To me, she was just as much at fault... because she knew they weren't paid for & left the premises.

Then she waited for an opportune time to bring it up to Elia & to Tom. (In order to make it appear that Otto was the only one who knew that they weren't paid for, when she knew it almost as soon as he did.)

Perhaps it was blown up for TV's sake... but you cannot deny that both Marissa & Otto knew that those lychees weren't paid for. Which makes them both shoplifters.

Had it been an innocent mistake, and that nobody actually knew that the lychees weren't paid for.... I would agree with you. But they DID know that they weren't paid for.

[johnw]

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This post has been edited by johnw: May 7, 2008 - 04:26 AM

[ITSJUSTMEAOD]

SHRUG

STILL GOTTA SAY

THIS WAS THE BEST FINALE TO ANY TETATET

YET



TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

[ITSJUSTMEAOD]

ZOMGZ is it Wed. yet?

IS NOW MH....OVER THERE ANYWAYS

Today I was actually fascinated by a show on the history channel about the evolution of corn!!!!

Go ahead... ask me anything about corn... I am a semi-hobbling encyclopedia on the subject now.

YOU SURE MH?

OOOOOOOOOOOOO ..............K

HERE GOES ....................

WHY DID JIMMY CRACK CORN?

WHAT MADE JIMMY CRACK CORN?

WHAT KIND OF CORN DID JIMMY CRACK?

WHEN THE CORN CRACKED DID IT POP?

WHAT CAME FIRST THE KERNEL OR THE STALK?

WHO MADE THE FIRST CORN COB PIPE?

WHAT WAS SMOKED IN THAT CORN COB PIPE?

IS JIFFY POP STILL MADE?



TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

[ITSJUSTMEAOD]

Oh really? At what point did you see production rushing them into the cars and saying, "off we go!!! You guys are in BIIIIIG trouble now!!! I'm going to tell Tommy"

No, but seriously, do you know something I don't know based on some kind of blog or something?

Because as I saw it, Marissa narked on Otto to Tom. (Not the production staff.) To me, she was just as much at fault... because she knew they weren't paid for & left the premises.

Then she waited for an opportune time to bring it up to Elia & to Tom. (In order to make it appear that Otto was the only one who knew that they weren't paid for, when she knew it almost as soon as he did.)

Perhaps it was blown up for TV's sake... but you cannot deny that both Marissa & Otto knew that those lychees weren't paid for. Which makes them both shoplifters.

Had it been an innocent mistake, and that nobody actually knew that the lychees weren't paid for.... I would agree with you. But they DID know that they weren't paid for.

HI MH


HOPE YOU DON'T MIND ME TOSSIN A BONE

ON THAT CARCASS EVERYONE SEEMS TO

BE BEATIN.............

IT WAS THE CAMERA MANS FAULT

HE SAW EVERYTHING.......................

FILMED THE WHOLE SHEBANG..... CART.....CART THROUGH CHECKOUT.......

CRATE BEIN LOADED IN CAR.......UNLOADED FROM CAR

PLACED UNDER STEPS

PROB WOULD HAVE SQUEELED IN DUE TIME

BUT WAITED FOR THE DRAMA TO BUILD.......

HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

KINDA SORTA MAKES WAJ'S TAKE ........OK

BUT FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW AS OBSERVERS...

IT'S BEEN HASHED OUT SEVERAL TIMES

AND THE CONCLUSION FAVORS YOU MH

HECK THIS IS SEASON 4

THOUGH PAST SEASONS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED

IN THREADS BEFORE

JUST SEEMS THIS SEASON ....EPISODES HAVE LOST THIER LUSTER

PRETTY FAST

JAFO

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

This post has been edited by ITSJUSTMEAOD: May 7, 2008 - 04:15 AM

[johnw]

Yeah but the point being that Otto kNEW the lychees wern't paid for. In my mind this makes him a shop-lifter.

If there is something at the bottom of your cart that you aren't going to lift up to the cashiers awareness, or at least tell them about, and then you knew that they weren't paid for: that makes you a shoplifter.

He knew it when they had left the store, which gave him time to go back & pay for them. I hold Marissa just as responsible... as she knew it when he told her, yet she didn't go back & pay for them.

ALL the chefs knew the lychees weren't paid for, even the store employee who helped load groceries into the SUV. Does that make all of them shoplifters as you imply because they knew about it? So why was Otto made to take the rap as being a shoplifter? That cart you refer to was Elia's, not Otto's. It's hard to believe that she didn't know about the case of lychee's which were quite visible when all of her other groceries were being tallied and bagged by the cashier.

As far as going back and paying for the lychees, that is exactly what Marissa wanted to do when Otto made his announcement about the free lychees. For some reason, production put the kibosh on Marissa's suggestion about paying for the lychees. The next thing we know, Marissa is whispering in Colicchio's ear about Otto and the lychees. As WAJ said, Otto got hosed - probably by production.

[ITSJUSTMEAOD]

ALL the chefs knew the lychees weren't paid for, even the store employee who helped load groceries into the SUV. Does that make all of them shoplifters as you imply because they knew about it? So why was Otto made to take the rap as being a shoplifter? That cart you refer to was Elia's, not Otto's. It's hard to believe that she didn't know about the case of lychee's which were quite visible when all of her other groceries were being tallied and bagged by the cashier.

As far as going back and paying for the lychees, that is exactly what Marissa wanted to do when Otto made his announcement about the free lychees. For some reason, production put the kibosh on Marissa's suggestion about paying for the lychees. The next thing we know, Marissa is whispering in Colicchio's ear about Otto and the lychees. As WAJ said, Otto got hosed - probably by production.

HI JOHN

GONNA TOSS A FEW WHISPS OF DUST ON THE CARCASS

NAH THE BAG BOY DIDN'T KNOW

NOT THIER JOB TO WATCH THE REGISTER

AND NAH OTTO DIDN'T GET HOSED

HE WAS THE ONE WHO EXCLAIMED "WE DIDN'T PAY FOR THE LYCHEES"

AFTER THEY CLOSE THE LIFTGATE

NOW REALLY TILL THAT POINT

THE WHOLE THING WAS NOTICED BY ONLY ONE

OTHER PERSON

THE CAMERAMAN

AND MARISSA AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHERS

DIDN'T KNOW TILL INSIDE THE VAN

TO WHICH THIS CONTROVERSY GAINS LIFE..

NOW

WHEN THE ISSUE CAME INTO VIEW BY TOM

FINGERS POINTED TO OTTO

SHRUG

SUCH IS LIFE

IT CAN BE SPECULATED FOR ETERNITY

WETHER OTTO COULD HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING

AT THE MARKET.........

BUT IT PLAYED OUT DIFFERENTLY

HE DID THE CRIME.......PAYED THE FINE

AND MAY I NOTE THIS IS ALL FROM MEMORY

DIDN'T NEED TO GO RESEARCH PAST HISTORY

AS IT REALLY ISN'T WORTH IT

AS THE CONTESTANTS WEREN'T THAT GREAT THAT SEASON EITHER

AND HAVE PROB GOTTEN ALONG WITH THIER LIVES

WHY PEEPS DIGRESS

ONE WILL NEVER KNOW

LIKE I SAID BEFORE

RIGHT NOW IT ISN'T ABOUT THE FOOD

IT'S ABOUT THE PEEPS

AND THE DRAMATICS PROVIDED FOR US

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

[ITSJUSTMEAOD]

Yeah but the point being that Otto kNEW the lychees wern't paid for. In my mind this makes him a shop-lifter.

If there is something at the bottom of your cart that you aren't going to lift up to the cashiers awareness, or at least tell them about, and then you knew that they weren't paid for: that makes you a shoplifter.

He knew it when they had left the store, which gave him time to go back & pay for them. I hold Marissa just as responsible... as she knew it when he told her, yet she didn't go back & pay for them.

HERE'S A NEW PONY ON THIS SUBJECT

ANYONE EVER WONDER HOW THIS INCIDENT

HARMED THE INTEGRITY OF THE SHOW?

IF TC EVER FILMS IN THE AREA AGAIN

WILL THAT MARKET ALLOW THEM TO SHOP THERE AGAIN?

DOES ANYONE THINK TC NOW HAS SAFEGUARDS SET

SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN?

IF IT DOES .....WILL THEY ALLOW THE CONTESTANT....S TO BE PROSICUTED?

I KNOW NO ONE WILL ANSWER THIS

BUT THESE ARE THE REAL ISSUES PRODUCERS WILL HAVE OR HAD TO FACE

AND

NO ONE REALLY KNOWS

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

[teleburst]

... Ten Million?

In sales.

[teleburst]

1: Stephanies dish was easily the worst dish. It was so bad that the Judges were making EXCUSES for her or trying to find reasons why it was so bad. Again Padma said it was "disgusting" and she "detested" it. Not to mention she overcooked the cous cous. Disgusting and poor execution.

It wasn't "easily" the worst dish. They were both bad.

I note that nowhere do you mention the children, who clearly didn't like the curry AT ALL, regardless of Mark's delusions that both they and Tom "dug" it. And they liked the curry the least. Therefore, it can be argued that it was "easily" the worst dish.

This is exactly the reason why you have to take other factors into consideration. If I had been a judge, I'm pretty sure I would have found the curry disgusting based only on the flavor profile (although I'm baffled as to why Padma didn't mention it - probably the ole editing bugaboo). I'm also glad that all of the judges' feelings were taken into account, not just one's. And wasn't it you who's insisted that bland is a horrible sin and makes a dish deserve to send a CT packing? See, that's the reason you can't have a cut and dried criterion for "worst food". There are a gaggle of sins that can be considered. And Mark's dish was called out by Tom saying that the curry "wasn't appealing on so many different levels". If you can interpret "offputting" the way you do, I'd argue that saying that phrase is a nice way of saying "disgusting". It was also "sloppy". And Gail said, "Compared to what everyone (my emphasis) else made tonight, Mark's dish was so lacking" (her emphasis).

Had the kids liked it, Mark probably wouldn't have gone home (see the "Make the target audience happy or else" corollary). Had Mark not been a perennial underperformer, he probably wouldn't have gone home (see the "Stephanie" corollary). Had he not made a bad dish, he probably wouldn't have gone home (see the "Don't make it to JT" corollary). Had he not understood what you should do to make a truly nutritious vegetarian dish, he probably wouldn't have gone home (see the "Meet the challenge head on" corollary). Had he not been somewhat delusional, he probably wouldn't have gone home (not sure what corollary this is, but let's officially call it the "Mark" corollary from now on). Since he met none of those conditions, he went home. Not that difficult.

This post has been edited by teleburst: May 7, 2008 - 06:50 AM

[SimonBao]

As to the study, I can't really address it, not having access to it, but it doesn't seem clear that a reduction of coconut milk is the sole cause of the islanders' rise in cholesterol. I don't know if they eliminated all other relevant issues in change of diet and environment.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a coconut milk fan. I've got four cans of it in my pantry as I type this. I couldn't cook much of my Thai food without it. I even have several different kinds of coconut milk for different uses. I have the lighter version that only has 8% fat and I also have the 22% variety as well. Both have their places in my cooking especially in moderation.

Ideally, no nutritionist or dietician will ever try to assert that two things that are correlational, that happen together, also just happen to be causal. That one caused the other.

There is some disagreement about all those saturated fats in coconut milk, but among the most responsible scientists it's not disagreement. It's uncertainty.

It's possible that a fat can be relatively healthy in one context, and accompanied by certain specific foods - and still be quite unhealthy in another context, another environment, in another diet. In the case of coconut milk, there's a suspicion that it's not the fat in the milk itself that's the issue - it's the total amount of that fat, and then the total amount and relative proportions of all the other types of fat in the diet. Complex. Uncertain.

But on the Internet, no one likes to be uncertain.

[shyjanne]

Will give a full review AFTER I watch my tape of Top Chef.
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I haven't had my computer on for a week, tried to read all the pages, but just got lost in the munesia. Just thought I'd add some thought to what I did read.
Curry for children, my children at age 8 and 10 introduce me to Indian Curry Chicken after my ex took them to a restaurant. They loved it and still do to this day.
Steph has always been my pick to win, but she needs to get it together. The judges were kind.
Nutrional meal under $10.00. Turkey sausage stuffed with low fat mozzerla onions and green peppers wrapped in whole grain lasagna noodle smothered in Ragu vege speghetti sauce, sliced fruit mixed with yogurt. Cost in S.W. Ohio about $7.00.
WAJ, everything about this show seems fixed. But laugh shake your head and enjoy it anyway.
KK I generaly tip 15% if service is average. 20% if service is good and 25% if service is excellent. 10% on delivered food. Nothing if I pick up.
Buffet 10% cause I do most of the work. Just my input.
Question... I couldn't find the thread that compared Otto's sheinanigans (sp) with who?? I missed this.
I won't miss Mark, I wouldn't eat his food, based on his appearance (sloppy) Lisa, what and attitude, but I think she defended her dish well.Nikki needs a haircut and so does Richard. Speaking of Richard,(little blaizes)? Isn't he gay? I guess he could surrogate. That's the only way he could make blaizes. Wedding challenge, didn't they learn the 1st time? Sorry so long.

This post has been edited by shyjanne: May 7, 2008 - 07:09 AM

[shyjanne]

Welcome back Shy
Well I hate to make everyone feel guilty but you really should leave a couple of bucks for pick up.
Seriously that takes time to do... It's just like another order and it takes me away from my tables and if it's a big order you are tawking a lot of work.

I am so sorry.
But geeeez... I have enough Catholic guilt for all of us......I like to share it


Annnnnnnnd
It's.....................................

Wooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooo

You mean when you go to McDonalds you tip?? In my little town, all the resteraunts have drive thru except Subways, and well, call me bad, but I don't tip there. My chinese only has pick up no seating, so you think I should tip there? Well, gotta go paint my garage. Making jumbalya tonight: Zeterins Jumalay $1.18, 1 lb. turkey sausage $1.88 1 lb. shrimp 4.99 2 tsp. hot sauce $0.00 get it free from my chili place. 1 tsp red pepper flakes (staple .25?) Garlic bread $1.00. Feeds 6 for under $10.00

This post has been edited by shyjanne: May 7, 2008 - 07:56 AM

[chucole]

Much to SecondTry's dismay, Richard is straight

[shyjanne]

Oh NO ..........Not there.
Just at a real restaurant.. like a well even IHOP!!
But if it's just for one person.. I say maybe a dollar.

If it's a BIG order.....yeah ...That takes a lot of time to set up....I have gotten HUGE tips on to go orders.....But no... not at drive through.

Don't have a IHOP I would have to drive 60 miles to go to one. We do have a Damons but we usually go there, but if I ever pick up I will be sure to leave a tip. and I will tell them this is courtesy of Kristl. LOL

[teleburst]

KK I generaly tip 15% if service is average. 20% if service is good and 25% if service is excellent. 10% on delivered food. Nothing if I pick up.
Buffet 10% cause I do most of the work. Just my input.

I just wish people understood that it's appropriate to tip something even when picking up to go food. No, you aren't getting table service, so the tip doesn't have to be as much. But you are receiving a service (the ability to get a restaurant's food whenever you want it and wherever you want to eat it).

You are either asking someone like a bartender to get away from his or her own service to put together your to-go food or you are asking a server to run a to-go station instead of table service. I can only speak for PF Chang's, since to-go food was only incidental in my other restaurants (for instance, in my current restaurant, we might only do 3 or 4 to-go orders a week), but at Chang's, you have either one or two servers or "to-go specialists" making 2.13 an hour in order to process $1500 to 2500 worth of to-go food a night (an average section in the restaurant only generates $600 - 1000). These guys are juggling as many as 8 different orders at the same time. They compete with in house food for the kitchen's attention, they have to answer the phones, get the order correct (not always easy to do when not talking on the phone), assure that special needs are met (no garlic, extra shrimp, gluten free, etc.), make sure that the food is ready to go at the promised time regardless of what's going on in the restaurant, assemble and package the orders, and ring out the guest while pulling everything from the bag to do a final check that everything is what the customer ordered, sometimes while 4 or 5 people are waiting for their orders as well.

Generally, at the end of the night, the tip average for these people was just about 10%. There would be about 10 or 20 percent of people who left no tip whatsoever, but there were enough people who still tipped 15 - 20% to make up for that (the majority of customers tipped 10%). So, on a $2500 night, which was a pounding, I can assure you, two servers would split around $250, but they'd still have to tip out the food runners (usually around $40 for a big night like that), who would be required to help with the packaging. Think about how much food $2500 is in a restaurant like Chang's where the average per person cost is $20 (including beverages and wine). So they'd make just about what most tableside servers would make after tipout. Of course they didn't wait on people hand and foot, but they served double the number of people and still had a lot of behind-the-scenes service to accomplish to assure a satisfactory customer experience.

It's a bit different than getting a sack of McDonald's, although I understand that it's hard for the customer to see it. Still, I think that 10% is appropriate. The alternative would be to pay these servers $10 or $15 an hour to do the job since that's what they're giving up to do the job and this would drive up menu costs for everyone, even those dining in the restaurant and not taking advantage of this optional service. Or, of course, you could pay the servers by adding on a to-go surcharge to pay the salary needed for people to do that job. But I have to wonder how many people would object to that.

Personally, I think offering to-go food cheapens a restaurant because is a sub-optimal way to present your food, but I also understand the need for many people to want to take advantage of this service, considering how on the go many of us are and how rush-rush Americans seem to be in terms of dining.

Hope this give you food for thought.

[shyjanne]

Much to SecondTry's dismay, Richard is straight

OOOPs, I screwed up the quote that was me not SecondTry. and also a big mea culpa for thinking Richard was gay. Don't want to open up that can of worms.

[Radyms13]

Ok if the quickfire is mis en place who is the strongest?? I guess it depends on how the teams shake out---could it be boys against the girls?? Richard and Dale looked the strongest as far as knife skills go in the veg plate QF and Lisa sucked. I think Nikki was weak during that challenge too! I sure hope Steph rebounds from the last 2 weeks.

[SecondTry]

OOOPs, I screwed up the quote that was me not SecondTry. and also a big mea culpa for thinking Richard was gay. Don't want to open up that can of worms.

But his heterosexuality is, in fact, to my dismay, so the original statement is still accurate.

[Superannualted]

Much to SecondTry's dismay, Richard is straight

YIPE . . .what tripe !!!

Y'mean that over age doughboy with a blowtorch in one fist and an egg beater to comb his hair in the other? Even when my hormones were pumping iron forty years ago I'd be running away in the opposite direction . . .

. . . grumble, grumble, grumble