BravoBoardBoss
July 12, 2006 - 03:55 PM
Feel free to judge the judges here!
Ziggy
July 12, 2006 - 05:20 PM
Just glad Nina is back, and hope she still doesn't hold her punches
PJMNYC2006
July 12, 2006 - 05:28 PM
I like the judges and am glad they are back. Nina is a CUTIE! I just wish they would have more "fashion" guest judges and not actors and celebs. I understand that may be easier said than done. At LEAST have fashion guest judges at the final.
silverapple888
July 12, 2006 - 05:41 PM
I certainly think that the judges are really good with their judgement, If there's 3 people that has the right to Blurt out those comments It's definitely Michael, Heidi and Nina, I also like their selection of Guest Judges, It's a mish mash of High-Fashion down to the ebay stores...Variety is the key, It makes us more anxious of what's gonna come out behind that freakishly bright white wall also let's think of what Nina would say " You don't wanna be stuck in one Note "
sethmeisteroni
July 12, 2006 - 07:20 PM
"F" those judges...we've seen them for the past 2 seasons...They say the same $hit over and over.....There's more POV to fashion then Micheal Korrs and the Nina B!atch. Why do the get to play god yet again?
Lovetherunway
July 12, 2006 - 07:20 PM
I love Nina and Michael. They are smart and on. I wish we saw more of them.
janie611
July 12, 2006 - 07:25 PM
I love Michael Kors!! He obviously knows what he is talking about...he is, afterall a famous designer. Nina can be a little harsh, but I suppose it's the way of the business...
barelyabletotell
July 12, 2006 - 07:33 PM
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Feel free to judge the judges here!
I think the judges are awesome - only if you try to wear Michael Kors wedges this season you'll spend tons of time in your podiatrist's office... If he wears them I will... I bought a pair of Coach platform sandals instead...
I don't know if this is the place but I want to say Tim Gunn is an angel... If these kiddies (one and all) don't get it they will lose - he knows his craft folks... Pay attention and follow his guidance! I don't care if blue sheets won tonight - don't get cocky Tim knows - he knows!!!! He is special and I hope he knows it... What a thoughtful person...
victorianartist
July 12, 2006 - 08:20 PM
I respect Michael and Nina, but I agree that a bit more variety would make me feel that the judging is not biased. After a time, the way to make it is to please them.. and after 2 seasons any designer should certainly know what they are really looking for and at. There should be more judges filtered in at least to give the appearance of fairness. Granted the 3rd one helps, but between the producers and the standard judges, it makes one wonder. I hope we have a Season 4 in the winter. It has been a fun show to watch and get involved in.
silverapple888
July 12, 2006 - 09:08 PM
You got it right about Mr. blue sheets turned into something...TOO Cocky!!! in an irritating way ( Santino might be Cocky but at least he was entertaining ) If he was a big fan of the show, he should know by now that Tim Gunn is right most of the time! ...I love to see him get grilled next time!
ScubaOtter
July 12, 2006 - 09:59 PM
Go, Nina, go!
katiecoolady
July 12, 2006 - 10:01 PM
I LOVE Michael Kors' comments. He gets me laughing out loud in my living room! "Wackadoo" Love his little quips. This show would not be the same without these judges. Take a lesson "Top Chef"! Hint hint!
ScubaOtter
July 12, 2006 - 10:03 PM
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I don't know if this is the place but I want to say Tim Gunn is an angel...
Of course he is...he's a demigod at the very least.
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FoodFanOne
July 12, 2006 - 10:09 PM
I'm surprised to find myself liking Nina very much this year after mostly disliking her all last season. Her surprising ode to Santino in the finale definitely showed her human side, and makes her somewhat pointed criticisms easier to accept. Her comments are good, well-informed, and definitely insightful. And, although she is very picky, she is surprisingly right. Also, Michael Kors' humorous comments really make this show. I agree, KCL, Top Chef should take note.
adarastar
July 12, 2006 - 10:19 PM
i just wanna know where i can find the boots heidi was wearing for the judging. they totally rocked.
rickstd
July 12, 2006 - 10:51 PM
I'm liking Ms. Garcia more and more and Mikie less and less-glad Heidi is talking more this season-who will be the first ALumni judge? Jay (probably not) Austin (nope) Wendy (doesnt she look slim and attractive almost these days?)-Can't wait to see...
FoodFanOne
July 12, 2006 - 11:01 PM
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I'm liking Ms. Garcia more and more and Mikie less and less-glad Heidi is talking more this season-who will be the first ALumni judge? Jay (probably not) Austin (nope) Wendy (doesnt she look slim and attractive almost these days?)-Can't wait to see...
Why not Cloe?
lava
July 12, 2006 - 11:47 PM
Love the show, but I wish the runway portion was repeated at the end, because there is a lot of information to absorb, studying the materials and the design, taking in the hair, make-up, accessories, and trying to match the outfit with the designer. All the drama before is nice, but it seems the most important aspect of the show is design, and being in fashion (and remaining in the show) or out of fashion (and out of the show), and the designers typically have so much of themselves invested, I feel a little bit shorted if I haven't fully absorbed the most important part of the show, and poof, before I know it someone is out, and I'm always wanting more time to form my own analysis and opinion. This is really overload when you couple the judge's opinions on top of everything. Maybe the judges' preliminary comments could be shown between runway showings, so the judge's can take into account one another's opinions, and the audience can better appreciate where the judge's were focusing their attention.
Ducky29
July 12, 2006 - 11:49 PM
I love Heidi! She's so cute and i have a lot of respect for her, but i was DISAPPOINTED tonight.
Sleazy Keith (that's what i'm going to call him) won with his well made plain dress, and then she goes and tells Stacey (who was out) something to the effect that she wasn't innovative enough? Are you serious?
She was a heck of alot more innovative than Sleazy Keith who schmooed his way to a win; talking smooth to the judges, piling on lots of necklaces and hairspraying the models hair.
Go back and watch the episode!!!! When they're talking about Robert Best's dress they use words like "charming" and "heaven". When they're talking about Sleazy Keith's dress the words "Nice presentation with the hair and beads" stick out.
HAIR AND BEADS????? Wow Keith, i really like all the junk you threw around her neck and all the hairspray you got the stylist to bombard her hair with. You're "obviously" a very talented designer.....
more like talented brown noser and b-s er.
I do not have a very high opinion of him.
LaGabberGirl
July 13, 2006 - 12:54 AM
So, I'm wondering, are the accessories provided by 'Macy's' going to be an added part of every runway presentation? Is this to see how the designer puts their clothes together? If anything, those beads on Keith's dress hid his neckline..it could've been scalloped like a star for all I knew. And Keith's comment about not liking some of the judge's tastes or whatever...ok, he was referring to Michael Kors, was he not? I'm personally not a Kors fan, but I am a fan of Kors the judge.
crakker_jakk
July 13, 2006 - 01:04 AM
love the judges, but like others have said, i hope there aren't alotta 'celebrity' judges this year.. the guest judges should be authorities on fashion and the decisions based on the merits of the designs, not sasha cohen's hangups about her body or nikki hilton's tacky taste in what passes for 'fashion' in her wardrobe..
JacksonReid
July 13, 2006 - 04:28 AM
I can't help but believe that, unless the original concept came from them, Micheal and Nina were not the first choices for the Producers. But if you think about the committment, and the risk involved with taking-on a Reality Show... Think about it... If the show bombed, the judges would've been stuck with this on their respective Resumes forever. And Fashionistas tend to look down their noses at popular culture just as much as any other group of elite fame. ie: Movie Stars NOT doing Television, or Stage Actors NOT doing movies, etc... So, I applaud the risk they took. But, I think Nina should step-up her commentary with regards to the details she sees. And Michael could ease-up on the cattiness. Quite often, the constructive message in the critique, gets lost in the bitchy overtones. Other than that, you have to give them props for knowing "the business". Whether you agree with their creative opinions, or not, they KNOW the business. If you don't take that into perspective, I don't care how creative you are, you're screwed.
lcgoins
July 13, 2006 - 04:33 AM
I respect the judges but the last two seasons they have picked winners who produced lines that I would never wear. The first season I would have worn everything of Kera Saun's line. Jay's no way. The second season I would have even worn everything in Santino's line, I thought they were beautiful. They hounded him to be more conservative and to tone it down and then when they did they told him it was too safe. Bull crap. Daniel's line deserved to win. If it was a fashion show and you have to base on range he by far did more in his range than any others. Also his clothes were beautiful. Although chloe is a great designer I felt like her clothes looked like the awful 80's prom dresses.
As for last night. I loved the dress of the girl who lost and I would have worn it.
laura_lee
July 13, 2006 - 04:48 AM
It's gotten to where I'm pretty good at predicting what the judges will do, which leaves out a bit of the suspense of previous seasons. Choosing between the woman with the white dress that is basic and has issues and the designer who creates an over-the-top mess (a la Santino) the judges always go with the trainwreck over the dull. (Think lingere challenge). When it got down to the last two, there was no doubt in my mind whether they would go for too much or too little. (Season two skating outfit challenge)
estraya_01
July 13, 2006 - 05:30 AM
Ducky I agree with every darn thing you said. I have been complaining all morning for that same reason.
He DID NOT do anything with that challenge and the judges giving him the win was a slap in the face to the rest of the designers. Hey, if they knew they could have done that they would have. BUT the challenge was to be innovative.
alphacat
July 13, 2006 - 05:43 AM
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I can't help but believe that, unless the original concept came from them, Micheal and Nina were not the first choices for the Producers. But if you think about the committment, and the risk involved with taking-on a Reality Show... Think about it... If the show bombed, the judges would've been stuck with this on their respective Resumes forever. And Fashionistas tend to look down their noses at popular culture ....
When PR first came on, I read somewhere that PR tried to get Vogue, which passed, so they got Elle as a sponsor. Given the choice between Nina and Anne Slowey (and whomever that person from Elle was at the auditions), I'm glad they went with Nina!
As for MK, it seems Heidi knows him pretty well and I read that she convinced him to do it. He had been on a special on the Style network, I think, and so the producers knew that he was OK on camera and that he had a sense of humor that would be fun and catty without going way overboard or being distracting from the designers (e.g., Isaac Mizrahi).
vrasdurub
July 13, 2006 - 06:52 AM
Hmm.. The "Judges"? Heidi gets on my nerves from the moment her mouth opens. As a model, I expect her to know how to WEAR clothes, not to judge designs according to her own personal fashion tastes - which is what I see her do and comment on repeatedly. She doesn't DO design. She WEARS designs. I'm not sure she knows the difference. (I can and have watched football for years, oftentimes yelling at the TV/coaches on the field for their bungled playcalling... I wouldn't think for a moment I am qualified to coach.)
Michael? - From the editing, I think he's judging according similarly to Heidi in many ways - atleast when he responds to Heidi's comments. When he and Nina appear to be exchanging comments, his reach a nearly acceptable level of non-pomposity. Personally, I'm not a big fan of his designs, but I can respect them --- and his occasionally insightful comments. I think that editing is making him appear less than he is and more of a "Heidi fan" kinda celebrity.
Nina? Hmm. Here's the dilemma. She obviously has the knowledge, experience, and communication chops to bury Heidi and Michael in her tracks but she gets so little post-editing commentary/face-time that I don't feel I have a sense of what she really thinks about ANY of the designs or designers --- and that's after 2 full seasons and 1 episode of Season 3.
Guest judges have ranged from the sublime to the superfluous. They get so little commentary and camera time that it's a waste.
Overall, I'd prefer they get rid of Heidi, let Nina and Micahel's comments get more time, and perhaps add judges outtakes to the website so as to explain/clear up whether the judges are actually just out to lunch or whether it's taht their comments are being edited to death. The judges' comment outtakes could be either transcripted or video.. I don't care. I know the show is edited for audience retention/economics, but there's a point past which the "reality" is exceeded and farce begins. Let's not let PR go down that road please.
FoodFanOne
July 13, 2006 - 07:05 AM
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love the judges, but like others have said, i hope there aren't alotta 'celebrity' judges this year.. the guest judges should be authorities on fashion and the decisions based on the merits of the designs, not sasha cohen's hangups about her body or nikki hilton's tacky taste in what passes for 'fashion' in her wardrobe..
Yes, but these celebrities are the potential future CLIENTS for the world's next great designer. Their viewpoint, and what they get hung up on when getting a garment tailored specifically to them, is important for a designer to be sensitive to, don't you think? If they have a problem with a part of their body being too big or too small or flat, the designer can do something to counteract that fact or perceived fact and create a flattering look for them. I think these celebrity judges who are also the client really educate us about what somebody with a lot of money to burn or a specific design issue needs and expects. The message I'm getting here is that custom couture is successful only when the designer is an excellent listener -- then incorporates the client's wishes into a one-of-a kind garment that can't be found "off the rack." I for one am totally fascinated with these celebrity judges. Not to mention that it spices up the show a great deal. Also love the trepidation the designers express when faced with producing a credible garment for a major name. Seems to me that the great designers also must have a high level of confidence to deal with those clients, and these celebrity appearances are also a test for who has the moxie and who just doesn't.
achtung
July 13, 2006 - 07:18 AM
The same judges again?!?! Fashion changes!! so should the judges... I'm tired of their comments.... we shall see....
Kathe123
July 13, 2006 - 03:03 PM
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So, I'm wondering, are the accessories provided by 'Macy's' going to be an added part of every runway presentation? Is this to see how the designer puts their clothes together? If anything, those beads on Keith's dress hid his neckline..it could've been scalloped like a star for all I knew. And Keith's comment about not liking some of the judge's tastes or whatever...ok, he was referring to Michael Kors, was he not? I'm personally not a Kors fan, but I am a fan of Kors the judge.
I think he was referring to Tim Gunn. But since he is loaded with an overabundance of self-esteem, he may have been referring to ALL the judges.
As for the accessories, I'm torn about them. While it is known that accessories can embellish the line, it can also gussy up something completely lame. If Daniel Franco had access to them in season one, he very well could have lasted more than one episode!
IronChef
July 13, 2006 - 03:09 PM
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Ducky I agree with every darn thing you said. I have been complaining all morning for that same reason.
He DID NOT do anything with that challenge and the judges giving him the win was a slap in the face to the rest of the designers. Hey, if they knew they could have done that they would have. BUT the challenge was to be innovative.
The challenge was not to be innovative, it was to express yourself and your design ethic through materials in the designers' apartments. Keith did exactly that.
brillke
July 13, 2006 - 03:21 PM
I think I might have misunderstood the challenge Lia. I thought I heard the word innovative said several times but maybe that wasnt meant to be part of the challenge itself. That would explain why so many think Keith didnt actually listen to the challenge and played it safe.
brillke
IronChef
July 13, 2006 - 03:36 PM
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I think I might have misunderstood the challenge Lia. I thought I heard the word innovative said several times but maybe that wasnt meant to be part of the challenge itself. That would explain why so many think Keith didnt actually listen to the challenge and played it safe.
brillke
You're probably 100% right about that, brillke. All this trying to defend the poor guy is gettin' me plum tuckered out too!
brillke
July 13, 2006 - 03:39 PM
"You're probably 100% right about that, brillke. All this trying to defend the poor guy is gettin' me plum tuckered out too! "
Lol Lia, dont get tired already. We got alot of shows yet.
FoodFanOne
July 13, 2006 - 05:05 PM
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Hmm.. The "Judges"? Heidi gets on my nerves from the moment her mouth opens. As a model, I expect her to know how to WEAR clothes, not to judge designs according to her own personal fashion tastes - which is what I see her do and comment on repeatedly. She doesn't DO design. She WEARS designs. I'm not sure she knows the difference. (I can and have watched football for years, oftentimes yelling at the TV/coaches on the field for their bungled playcalling... I wouldn't think for a moment I am qualified to coach.)
Yes, but Heidi doesn't just sit on her butt and "watch" fashion on TV, she IS fashion. She is involved in many business ventures regarding clothing, jewelry, etc. and has modeled tons of stuff. She provides an interesting viewpoint as the "client" who wears all that couture clothing as well as the businesswoman who must identify a target market and sell fashion items.
Plus, gotta admit it, she adds the sex appeal. And, each episode, she's modeling several different looks from other designers, showing us what it's all about.
I think she fulfills an important role and serves as a link between the fashion opinion makers and commentators (Elle Magazine) and the actual creators (Michael Kors). Her best insights concern fit and wearability - things that make a client happy and willing to come back for more.
alphacat
July 13, 2006 - 05:15 PM
I think they mentioned "innovation" at some point. Tim talks about it in his blog. But, there does seem to be some vagueness on the challenge description (I know, we're all shocked at that!). The show is on again now, so I'm going to watch.
They're on the roof. Tim says: "the first challenge, like always, is about innovation." Heidi says: "create an outfit that reflects who you are you as a designer." Maybe Tim focused on the "innovation" part than the judges did?
I'll see what else they say.
FoodFanOne
July 13, 2006 - 05:22 PM
Those two quotes aren't necessary contradictory. They were required to reflects their design identity and, if they didn't grab the good stuff first, would be required to innovate with the crappy materials left.
alphacat
July 13, 2006 - 05:30 PM
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Those two quotes aren't necessary contradictory. They were required to reflects their design identity and, if they didn't grab the good stuff first, would be required to innovate with the crappy materials left.
That's true--I didn't say they were contradictory. There is a debate on these and other boards about how innovation fits into the mix. Just trying to provide information, here, since the show is on right now.
probono
July 13, 2006 - 05:54 PM
Come on! Of course it was about innovation! What else could a "Make a garment from whatever you find in 15 minutes in your apartment" challenge be about? The challenge was 2-fold. Make a garment that reflects your identity with ONLY materials you find in your apartment. If it was only about making a garment that represented your own unique style they wouldn't have added the "apartment only" requirement. And besides, the judges already know what each designer's style is. They brought their designs and portfolios to the audition.
Did Keith break any rules? No. Was he innovative? Absolutely not. Yes, I am disgusted he won! LOL
alphacat
July 13, 2006 - 05:59 PM
At the runway show: Heidi to designers: "Your first challenge was about innovation." The next couple of sentences I didn't get the exact phrasing (slow typist) but was essentially: we asked you to make a design that reflects who you are as a designer using objects from your apartments.
Judges' comments about innovation/innovative materials: Stacey, Vincent (was hat innovative?)
Judges' comments about reflecting designer: Laura, Jeffrey
In Keith's comments: the innovation is that she doesn't look like wearing a curtain rod (aka Carol Burnett show)
Most of the judges' comments just related to the individual designs, not about who the designer is or relative innovation.
I think I caught most everything. G'night!
FoodFanOne
July 13, 2006 - 06:03 PM
Yes, but there was no requirement that they make the garment out of unusual materials, just that they limit themselves to the stuff in the apartment. And anyway, I thought it was pretty innovative to take a bed sheet and make an outfit that didn't look like a bed sheet.
lisakaz
July 13, 2006 - 06:46 PM
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Come on! Of course it was about innovation! What else could a "Make a garment from whatever you find in 15 minutes in your apartment" challenge be about? The challenge was 2-fold. Make a garment that reflects your identity with ONLY materials you find in your apartment. If it was only about making a garment that represented your own unique style they wouldn't have added the "apartment only" requirement. And besides, the judges already know what each designer's style is. They brought their designs and portfolios to the audition.
Did Keith break any rules? No. Was he innovative? Absolutely not. Yes, I am disgusted he won! LOL
Kinda makes me wonder why Andrae didn't fare better with his qipao (which I loved btw).
Other point: Wasn't it GREAT that Nina couldn't even remember Wendy's name. Kinda sums up her as a designer.
Sakura
July 13, 2006 - 07:37 PM
"Other point: Wasn't it GREAT that Nina couldn't even remember Wendy's name. Kinda sums up her as a designer."
That was brilliant!
FoodFanOne
July 13, 2006 - 07:47 PM
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"Other point: Wasn't it GREAT that Nina couldn't even remember Wendy's name. Kinda sums up her as a designer."
That was brilliant!
Nina referred to her as "the mother." Seems Wendy made her biggest mark complaining about the desecration of her daughter's picture. Was her stuff in the finale really that forgettable, or are they just mentally blocking her because she got so irritating at the end?
Sakura
July 13, 2006 - 07:55 PM
What would be really interesting is put Tim Gunn in the judge's chair and put M. Kors in the workroom. I like Kors' wit but I would really like to see him get back to his roots. It's really neat to see him get humanized at the end of the road, when he tutors the final three on what to do _at_ the fashion show but wouldn't it be fantastic to see him bring some of his expertise into the design and construction stage (yes, the Season 2 episode of him working with the designers on inspiration was good - don't get me wrong).
Nina is growing on me. I wasn't too fond of her the first season and second season she made some intelligent comments that I didn't think she was completely removed from fashion. Other than last night's obivous poor choice, she seems much more aware of the fashion around her and in the fashions being produced which is refreshing.
Thank goodness the guest judges are guests...and that's all I'm going to say about that.
Finally, Heidi is brilliant as always!
acidpluto
July 14, 2006 - 01:34 AM
To be honest, I wasn't happy with the judges last season...but so far, I'm very happy with them this season. I think they were more objective and less critical in this first challenge than they were all of last season...very nice!
FoodFanOne
July 14, 2006 - 02:52 AM
I think the reason the judges were less critical in the first challenge is that it was not focused on a final custom couture look. Rather, the garment was supposed to be an expression of who they were as a designer. I think that the emphasis in grabbing strange things out of which to make an outfit really is a programming "plot device" to make the episode interesting while the group is gelling, since the wacky personalities have yet to emerge to provide those great TV moments. I think all the judges were looking for in Episode 1 was a well-made outfit with good lines. And, because the judges are conservative, they responded to the conservative outfit.
I think that they will be much harsher on the condidates as the season progresses. Once they have winnowed out the weaker candidates in the first three or so episodes, the pressure to present a beautifully conceived, well-constructed, well-fit garment will be really racheted up.
LimaBean
July 14, 2006 - 04:27 AM
I think its important to have some of the judges present throughout the entire competition for the sake of continuity. It is they who can track the progess and emerging designer styles over time. Just as importantly, the view from the guest judges keeps it fresh each week. I do think that sometimes the guest judges are given too much weight in the decision (like the guy who liked the jumpsuit that Santino made for Kara when none of the other judges did).
I think Michael and Nina are great judges. They are both even interesting to look at and it's been fun getting to know them over a couple of seasons. Heidi is perfect and is showing her business accumen, which is substantial in my opinion.
I just hope there are no more "celebrity" judges unless there is a good explanation for why they deserve to be there (Debra Messing for example).
Only 5 more days until episode 2!
FoodFanOne
July 14, 2006 - 06:13 AM
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I just hope there are no more "celebrity" judges unless there is a good explanation for why they deserve to be there (Debra Messing for example).
I'm surprised you would say that. I think the "celebrity" judges perform an important task besides just making the episode far more interesting. Where the celebrity is also the client, it creates a real-life challenge of listening to what the client wants and then translating it into a one-of-a-kind garment. Where the celebrity isn't the client, he/she is either a famous designer him/herself or a notorious clotheshorse who knows just about as much about fashion and couture clothing as anybody on the planet. I've got no problem with Dolce & Gabanna, etc. as guest judges. As for Parker Posey and Debra Messing, their questions and comments were intelligent and pointed, and we learned just as much from their observations as we did from the judges. Bring 'em on, I say.
AJolie
July 14, 2006 - 08:28 AM
Hi everyone!
I don't fully agree with the judges' decision to eliminate Stacey over Vincent. His dress was way too werid. At least Stacey made an attempt to make something wearable.
I hope the judges do not keep Vincent around in hopes of having another Santino. Santino was over the top but most of his creations were wearable.
Vincent's dress looked like something my 4 year old students might put together during a game of dress-up.
Also, for a guest judge, I am hoping for Stacey and/or Clinton from TLC's What Not To Wear.
Bye!