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BravoBoardBoss
Tell us what you think about the Washington Post's decision to reveal the winner of Episode 1 before it aired on Bravo.
katiecoolady
Wha....?
FoodFanOne
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Wha....?




I believe that this refers to the Washington Post article disclosing the winnner last week. Remember Andy's blog and the press release to the Washington Post and other periodicals that was supposed to be held until the show had already been aired? Somebody at the Washington Post jumped the gun on the "gentleman's agreement."

This was already chewed over in real time on the Episode 301 board. Been there, done that.

This board was started an hour ago? About last week's spoiler? Why bother now. Is this just to divert us from today's drama on other spoilers? If so, it's an interesting ploy. I'm not biting. Suggest we all go back to the current epi board for this stuff and keep our discussions all in one place.
katiecoolady
Thanks FF1, somehow I missed the entire spoiler issue from last week but just googled it..good thing I missed it! Thanks for the clarification cuz thought there might have been something current.
Dyan2Design
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Why bother now. Is this just to divert us from today's drama on other spoilers? If so, it's an interesting ploy. I'm not biting. Suggest we all go back to the current epi board for this stuff and keep our discussions all in one place.




Word.
probono
Maybe they've decided to make a spoiler/possible spoiler board? Sounds....odd. HEY, as long as we're making new boards, how's about an off-topic board? What d'ya say everybody? *bats eyes at loverly moderater, is that a new dress you're wearing?*
Dyan2Design
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Maybe they've decided to make a spoiler/possible spoiler board? Sounds....odd. HEY, as long as we're making new boards, how's about an off-topic board? What d'ya say everybody? *bats eyes at loverly moderater, is that a new dress you're wearing?*




LOL! I think it's usually a bit more effective if the person "sees" you pull the old battin' the eyes routine. :::wink-wink:::

However, I, too wish that additional threads were created and sorted by topic. It would be so much easier to navigate through these treacherous waters.
probono
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Maybe they've decided to make a spoiler/possible spoiler board? Sounds....odd. HEY, as long as we're making new boards, how's about an off-topic board? What d'ya say everybody? *bats eyes at loverly moderater, is that a new dress you're wearing?*




LOL! I think it's usually a bit more effective if the person "sees" you pull the old battin' the eyes routine. :::wink-wink:::

However, I, too wish that additional threads were created and sorted by topic. It would be so much easier to navigate through these treacherous waters.




Ohhhh, someday I'll get a hang of these silly neticisms! *runs around naked. You can't see me! You can't see me! Ah! Ha! Ha! Ha!*
dogabone
Although I'm a Washingtonian and subscribe to the Post, I missed reading the "giveaway" article. It is of some concern, considering those of us who play the "Fashion Face-Off" game. Is the Post aware of this aspect of the issue? Simply giving away the winner and/or loser is not in general such a big deal, but as it spoils the contest, it's a definite problem.
rusewcrazy
If the newspapers have to start catering to the demands of a cable channel then I really will move to Canada. I think Bravo's got their knickers twisted up over nothing. Now, if the Post had revealed the season winner or finalists I might be more inclined to agree with the Bravo executives furor. Unless they can prove the paper had some agreement with Bravo to keep the information confidential then the only thing Bravo can do is chalk it up to a lesson learned.
Ilovefashion
I think the Washington Post made a terrible and unethical decision. Personally, I think that Bravo should leave them out of the list of journalists who receive copies of the shows before airing.

That was an unforgiveable breach of confidentiality. It would have been forgiveable had they apologized and attempted to correct the mistake.

They were wrong!!!!
InsultComicDog
I didn't like it, but I have an even bigger complaint about what Bravo did by having the "Who will get auf'ed" poll, revealing the bottom three designers in advance.

And *that's* something Bravo DID have control over.
azindn
What crap on the part of the Post. Are their subscriptions down? Had the reporter not wanted to enjoy the situation the series presents. I did not see the article, but that the Post would be so low down cries pay-off and boycott 'em. Spoilers from a newspaper of their stature and their response is totally rediculous.
SisterZip73
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If the newspapers have to start catering to the demands of a cable channel then I really will move to Canada. I think Bravo's got their knickers twisted up over nothing. Now, if the Post had revealed the season winner or finalists I might be more inclined to agree with the Bravo executives furor. Unless they can prove the paper had some agreement with Bravo to keep the information confidential then the only thing Bravo can do is chalk it up to a lesson learned.




I don't think we want TV to dictate to the print outlets, it is just that there used to be an undeclared agreement that results wouldn't be anounced until after broadcast. And it could effect the outcome of the Runway Face-Off contest. That may be the only way they can get them to stop. Maybe Judge Judy or the People's Court can settle this. LOL!
probono
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I didn't like it, but I have an even bigger complaint about what Bravo did by having the "Who will get auf'ed" poll, revealing the bottom three designers in advance.

And *that's* something Bravo DID have control over.




Isn't this something Bravo's been doing since last season, or was the poll last season something different?
FoodFanOne
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I don't think we want TV to dictate to the print outlets,



However, TV is shamelessly giving tidbits to the print outlets. ALERT: HEIDI KLUM IS ON JAY LENO TONIGHT. COULD BE JUST MINUTES AWAY FROM HER SEGMENT, IF YOU WANT TO TUNE IN AND WATCH.
SisterZip73
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I don't think we want TV to dictate to the print outlets,



However, TV is shamelessly giving tidbits to the print outlets. ALERT: HEIDI KLUM IS ON JAY LENO TONIGHT. COULD BE JUST MINUTES AWAY FROM HER SEGMENT, IF YOU WANT TO TUNE IN AND WATCH.




It is a mutual benefit society. Networks give tidbits, get viewers; Newspaper prints tidbits, gets more readers. usually shows will give a preview tape to the entertainment reporter; you can bet the WP writer won't be getting one anymore.
cdabs
Of course the winner of the challenge is a spoiler and should not have been revealed by the Post. The editor's assertion to the contrary is ludicrous.

Given the Post's position on this issue, the simple solution is for millions of Bravo TV viewers to boycott the Post; perhaps it will rethink what its readers want to see.
meganbeth
There go the press again thinking that they have the right to print any and all information they receive. If I were Bravo TV and Project Runway producers I would sue the Washington Post.
Fortunately the posting of the winner did not affect my viewing the show since I do not live in the DC area and don't generally read their paper or view their news online.
Also, I would have watched anyway becuase I like to see what leads up to winning or losing.
Thanks for a great show, keep up the good work and "carry on..."!
dcjewbear
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Of course the winner of the challenge is a spoiler and should not have been revealed by the Post. The editor's assertion to the contrary is ludicrous.

Given the Post's position on this issue, the simple solution is for millions of Bravo TV viewers to boycott the Post; perhaps it will rethink what its readers want to see.




I think it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face to boycott the Post because of this. This is a great newspaper, second only to the New York Times in my estimation, and I'm not going to do it.

I mean, for one, I live in D.C. and read it daily (as well as the New York Times) and where else would I turn? I'm not going to read that other local newspaper, which shall remain nameless as I wouldn't stoop to give them the props of naming them.
MemphisMama
I really like being able to watch the show and be suprised at the outcome.....I think that the Washinton Post should refrain from posting future spoilers
dohh
I never would have known about the article if the owners of the Blog "Blogging Project Runway" hadn't mentioned it and then added the direct link to the article on their site. Half these spoilers are hard to find and you have to search for them. If you want to find all the spoilers and the exact location of all of them, just go to Blogging Project Runway for the information. Between the designers' letters and what's happening with the models, you can pretty much figure out who's made it to the final three.
KennF
I think it was deplorable.

In my opinion to air in print or online or raido or any other media the 'winners' or 'losers' or 'safe' contestants without warning of 'spoiler' is inconciderate, rude and a loack of journalistic integrity.

There is a difference between the media's right to keep things honest and speech freedoms and being a spoil sport just because you can. There was no gain to the Post for this article.

And to refuse to adjust to the obvious mistake when it was pointed out, was unconscienable.

If I were a producer of Project Runway or on board member of BravoTV, I would simply refuse to provide ANY advance promo to either the journalist, the editors involved (for not catching it) and to the Washington Post... at least until a formal apology and retraction is printed.
Anyacat
You guys are just bent out of shape because you think people won't watch the show if they know which "designer" wins at the end of each episode. Some of us know, and still watch the show. This is not the cure for cancer or some state secret, it's a show about people who make clothes. You guys take it too seriously and now for the name of the contestant/ designer who swipes designs which he passes off as his own and the gets caught and then gets bounced....
dcjewbear
**If I were a producer of Project Runway or on board member of BravoTV, I would simply refuse to provide ANY advance promo to either the journalist, the editors involved (for not catching it) and to the Washington Post... at least until a formal apology and retraction is printed.**

This is a newspaper we're talking about here. How are you going to get a retraction? What are they going to do? Go to all their subscribers houses and take back their copies, as well as the people who bought it on the news stands? Print an article telling everybody who read the article to go to a central location where they can have their memory wiped?

This is quite the looniest thing I've read in quite a while.
Franca_A
My guess is that the article was written by someone who doesn't follow reality TV contests, or at least specifically, Project Runway. Would they reveal the weekly winner for Survivor??! I doubt it.

As one writer pointed out, there is also the added problem of messing up the online contest.

What an inconsiderate idiot.

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hugomania
Although the network and producers believe the episode's winner announcement is key, viewers tune in to watch the participant antics and banter during the show, which is far more entertaining than a simple "You're out!" Besides, it's not like the winners and losers themselves don't know where they stand considering it's taped not live. More to the point, the show is entertainment folks, not an argument for or against the First Amendment. If we believe we should know what our government leaders are up to and that journalists should report the truth, why should it be any different for a cable reality show? While Seventh Avenue fashionistas and glamour pubs may think they rule the world, they don't. It's the fashion world, not world power. Auf wiedersehen.
probono
You know, spoilers ruin the enjoyment of the show for its viewers. Period. The show has winners and losers every episode, so I seriously doubt I am the only viewer that enjoys figuring it out on my own as the show progresses. No, it's not freaking WWIII we're talking about here, it's not cancer cures, it's not the shocking mystery of what McDonald burgers are REALLY made of, and even making those comparisons is absolutely absurd.

You couldn't get away from spoilers for the last Harry Potter book, and that DID ruin the enjoyment for a lot of people, including me.

If Project Runway had an agreement with The Washington Post, than I believe it was unethical of the Post to reveal the winner. And unless the headline of the article was WASHINGTON POST REVEALS EPISODE 1 WINNER! I think it was unfair to the readers as well.
SixFootRunway
seeing as how this completely escaped my attention (despite reading gossip blogs and mags regualarly), i don't see what the big deal is.

do i think they should have done it? absolutely not. it's not abot "journalistic integrity" (does that even exist anymore?) so much as its about common manners. it's never nice to spoil someone elses' surprise.

now on to my REAL question... what the HELL is that skater punk wanna-be doing on the show when he can manage to sell a $500 t-shirt well enough on his own? i understand getting the best contestents and that a lot of these people have established careers. but something tells me that guy probably already has close to 100 g's in the bank and doesn't need anymore help. nor would he, is my guess, be caught dead driving a saturn skye (because you know, elitist pigs are like that). i hope he gets kicked off soon... is there anyone at the Washington Post who can tell me?
IronChef
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now on to my REAL question... what the HELL is that skater punk wanna-be doing on the show when he can manage to sell a $500 t-shirt well enough on his own? i understand getting the best contestents and that a lot of these people have established careers. but something tells me that guy probably already has close to 100 g's in the bank and doesn't need anymore help. nor would he, is my guess, be caught dead driving a saturn skye (because you know, elitist pigs are like that). i hope he gets kicked off soon... is there anyone at the Washington Post who can tell me?




Ruh roh! Sounds like somebody's cranky and needs a snack before bedtime. Try some elitist pig, dear--it's well done and on everyone's lips these days.
probono
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now on to my REAL question... what the HELL is that skater punk wanna-be doing on the show when he can manage to sell a $500 t-shirt well enough on his own? i understand getting the best contestents and that a lot of these people have established careers. but something tells me that guy probably already has close to 100 g's in the bank and doesn't need anymore help. nor would he, is my guess, be caught dead driving a saturn skye (because you know, elitist pigs are like that). i hope he gets kicked off soon... is there anyone at the Washington Post who can tell me?




Ruh roh! Sounds like somebody's cranky and needs a snack before bedtime. Try some elitist pig, dear--it's well done and on everyone's lips these days.




I'm still trying to figure out who we're talking about, Jeffrey?
Mel2006
To BRAVO Executives,

Since I was reading your letter to the Washington Post and you wanted feedback from the viewers as to what they thought through a link that brought me here, I did know the winner from the paper. I didn't care, and it just made me look at Keith's dress even more.

I also saw the NY Daily Post's article regarding the bus accident involving one of the model's that apparently were in the final three. If you've kept the same models as in your previous seasons, then I know which designer is in the top 3.

No, I haven't stated the name of the model, but the information is floating around on other boards if one chooses to find out.

From reading online, I also know who the guest is for tomorrow night's challenge. No, I haven't told that information either, but lots of people know that too.

So, to answer your question, no, it doesn't spoil anything for me. If the news media can discredit president's or other candidate's affairs, do you expect a little show to keep them away? Apparently, the news people no longer care what ramifications will result.

So, for everyone else, this board is for BRAVO to read about how you felt regarding the "spoiler from the Washington Post." Does this bother anyone? If it did, BRAVO would like to know.
SarahRTP
I'm sorry to hear there was a spoiler even though I missed it. I would have hated to have it spoiled.

On a different note...it was released about Jia being hit by a bus. My prayers go out to her recovery. How related would them releasing a finalist model to a finalist designer be? If they revealed one of the final three designers getting hurt would it be the same? Isn't that in some way a spoiler?
onteasing
i honestly can't believe some people think bravo is making a big deal out of nothing about this. it takes a lot of time for a large company like bravo to draw up a response to something that potentially affected several viewer's experience of the show, the premiere episode at that, and it could not be ignored! i am a huge, huge fan of project runway and revealing the winner of a challenge takes away a huge part of the show. and if you read the article carefully the author is dangerously close to explicitly mentioning stacey's elimination through a series of not-so-subtle implications. i think bravo's response is very professional and sensitive to the devoted fans of the show.

secondly: what about the new york post article about one of the models? yes, it's a tabloid, but the article contained a potential spoiler as well - and if true an even bigger one than the washington post. i really hope bravo addresses that as well.
FoodFanOne
I googled "Project Runway cheated" just to see what was out there, and the Boston Globe just posted an online article about the alleged theft of design spoiler, citing televisionwithoutpity.com and another site. Although the article correctly lists Keith Michael as the suspect in the beginning, it then starts referring to the suspect as "Michael." It appears that the newspaper's style is to refer to a person by the last name for the remainder of the article. Unfortunately, in this case, it reads as though it is accusing a second designer, Michael, as the one being suspected of the dastardly deed. It's a bit unfortunate that it came out that way.

My first post on this, over on the epi 301 board, reported this incorrectly because it was confusing. I'm sure others are going to get the wrong idea, too.
FoodFanOne
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Although I'm a Washingtonian and subscribe to the Post, I missed reading the "giveaway" article. It is of some concern, considering those of us who play the "Fashion Face-Off" game. Is the Post aware of this aspect of the issue? Simply giving away the winner and/or loser is not in general such a big deal, but as it spoils the contest, it's a definite problem.



I've read the Washington Post's response to Bravo about having leaked the result of Project Runway Episode 1 in advance and feel that the Washington Post is just dead wrong. The Washington Post would be apoplectic if somebody leaked its big scoop and other papers printed it first, or if the identity of their secret source was leaked. Can't they make the connection?

It's Bravo's prerogative to keep the Project Runway show's result a secret until the episodes air. This Washington Post editor saw standard advance press materials from Bravo and felt that he could violate the industry's secrecy agreement regarding such materials with impunity. What a total jerk. He needs to be retreaded back through journalism school Ethics 101.

For all these spoilers, the degree of sin (and corresponding harm to Bravo, its customers, and its advertisers) depends on who did the leaking.
1) When Bravo or its affiliates intentionally leak clues to the public, no problem.
2) When contestants themselves spill the beans in a blog or magazine interview, it's a breach of contract for them. And, while we might want to discuss it excitedly on the show's boards, we've seen Bravo exercise its right, as host of its own boards, to bleep out discussions that give away results on which it has a lot riding.
3) Same thing with these advance press releases. Bravo's relationship with its viewers/customers is its bread and butter. And, its advertisers have paid a whopping amount to have their commercials air as the Project Runway drama is unfolding during each episode. A newspaper editor taking such a "whatever" attitude toward the adverse impact on the company's relationship with each should have his ass fired. They can't take the info and then reneg on the deal. Very, very dirty pool. Very offensive "ethics" on the part of the Washington Post. it owes Bravo an apology, and one that is placed as prominently in its newspaper and other news outlets as its spoiler article was. Criminy!
FoodFanOne
Oh, and since this is the spoiler board where we can discuss this stuff freely, see NBC's SPOILER RE PROJECT RUNWAY:

http://www.missuniverse.com

TEXT OF THE SPOILER (DON"T READ IT IF YOU DON"T WANT TO KNOW)

"Watch Tara Cooper in Project Runway on July 19 on Bravo and 10PM E.T."

Tara Cooper is Miss USA 2006. And, the Miss Universe, Miss USA, and Miss Teen USA pagents are jointly owned by NBC and Donald Trump. Can we say cross-marketing?

So, this just confirms what we already guessed on the epi 301 board earlier in the week.
IronChef
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now on to my REAL question... what the HELL is that skater punk wanna-be doing on the show when he can manage to sell a $500 t-shirt well enough on his own? i understand getting the best contestents and that a lot of these people have established careers. but something tells me that guy probably already has close to 100 g's in the bank and doesn't need anymore help. nor would he, is my guess, be caught dead driving a saturn skye (because you know, elitist pigs are like that). i hope he gets kicked off soon... is there anyone at the Washington Post who can tell me?




Ruh roh! Sounds like somebody's cranky and needs a snack before bedtime. Try some elitist pig, dear--it's well done and on everyone's lips these days.




I'm still trying to figure out who we're talking about, Jeffrey?




I was trying to figure that out too, because I couldn't quite glean that info from the original post. I assumed he was talking about Keith, because the focus of the WP controversy is concerning him as the leaked ep 1 winner, but then I half wondered if the whole "skater punk wanna-be" part referenced Jeffrey instead, since Keith doesn't seem to me to be attempting that look. Does anyone know if any of the designers has sold a $500 t-shirt? Maybe that would help answer the mystery.
DeadLikeMe
Can you say selling papers at anything or anyones expense?...... I think you can....................and god please rename the channel Kathy Griffith or get her off.......................
montreal71
Please explain.
IronChef
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Can you say selling papers at anything or anyones expense?...... I think you can....................and god please rename the channel Kathy Griffith or get her off.......................




That's Kathy Griffin. Like in Merv, if you remember him.
IronChef
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Please explain.




I think that second part of the comment is maybe because Kathy Griffin has a show currently on Bravo, and she seems to be all over the network these days like white on rice.
MissOtis
After reading this comment on BPR yesterday, I looked again at my tape of RTTR. The book with the blurred runway drawings and the book with the designs Keith claimed to have collaborated on are not the same book. There is no scandal here.

http://bloggingprojectrunway.blogspot.com/

A Note From Keith Michael
We had a comment from Keith in an earlier post and it has gotten a lot of attention from other sites, blogs and message boards, so I thought we should give it a little more attention here. There is no doubt that this is from Keith himself and as of now, I would like to consider this matter closed. We will have to "watch what happens!"


hey guys-
love your site and i read it often. so when i read the latest comments about me i thought it might be time to write in. for the record, i submitted 5 portfolios for the judges review. the one you seem to be focusing on was a research assignment i did for a client in which i reviewed key fashion trends. i'm very proud of all the work that i do. the panel of judges that reviewed my work had many years of experience behind them. i found them neither ignorant, uninformed or in any way confused about their own profession.
Nikki_Darling
I think Bravo's decision to take as straw poll giving the results of the bottom three only 5 minutes before the announcement was 20x's more insulting...what is the point of watching a show if the network gives you the ending?

I expected more from Bravo...I have no such expectations from the Washington Post
IronChef
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After reading this comment on BPR yesterday, I looked again at my tape of RTTR. The book with the blurred runway drawings and the book with the designs Keith claimed to have collaborated on are not the same book. There is no scandal here.

http://bloggingprojectrunway.blogspot.com/

A Note From Keith Michael
We had a comment from Keith in an earlier post and it has gotten a lot of attention from other sites, blogs and message boards, so I thought we should give it a little more attention here. There is no doubt that this is from Keith himself and as of now, I would like to consider this matter closed. We will have to "watch what happens!"


hey guys-
love your site and i read it often. so when i read the latest comments about me i thought it might be time to write in. for the record, i submitted 5 portfolios for the judges review. the one you seem to be focusing on was a research assignment i did for a client in which i reviewed key fashion trends. i'm very proud of all the work that i do. the panel of judges that reviewed my work had many years of experience behind them. i found them neither ignorant, uninformed or in any way confused about their own profession.





I think the whole thing has been blurred to the point that, regardless of whether Keith is telling the truth or not, or whether he did "fudge things" or outright lie or not, he's been so widely villified that it's almost irreparable.

I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, and going on the "innocent until proven guilty" premise, but at this point, I think most have already made their decision on the affair and on Keith himself.

After he posted his statement on BPR, many people thought he sounded "characteristically" flip and offensive, but I didn't get any of that in what he wrote. I'm just trying to take a "wait and see" attitude, and am letting things roll however they're going to.

Lia
MissOtis
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I think the whole thing has been blurred to the point that, regardless of whether Keith is telling the truth or not, or whether he did "fudge things" or outright lie or not, he's been so widely villified that it's almost irreparable.

I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, and going on the "innocent until proven guilty" premise, but at this point, I think most have already made their decision on the affair and on Keith himself.

After he posted his statement on BPR, many people thought he sounded "characteristically" flip and offensive, but I didn't get any of that in what he wrote. I'm just trying to take a "wait and see" attitude, and am letting things roll however they're going to.

Lia




I agree, Lia. Love your location! lol
KennF
LOL

The cat is out of the bag. I and all of us have to accept that. I do NOT expect that they go to the homes and try and collect all the newspapers. That is not a 'retraction".

A retraction is the printed notification of an error made by the newspaper. In this case, the violations of the stipulation of the press release given by BravoTV that endofshow info is not released prior to the airing of the show.
sarahgee
I heard the Post reporter on NPR the day of the first episode and she was laughing about being chastised by PR fans because of the spoiler. I didn't know about it until she mentioned it, but I made sure to avoid her column that day. She is definitely NOT a viewer of Project Runway; the substitute host of Talk of the Nation was, though, and came off as way more knowledgeable of the show. The columnist made some reference to how crazy all the challenges are, saying something like, "In the first season they had to make a garment entirely out of candy." What?

Anyway, I think it's crap that she revealed the winner without warning anyone, and she's clearly not sorry about doing it. I'm not going to "boycott" the Post, since I only read it online (for free) and appreciate some of their political coverage, but I am going to avoid their fashion and entertainment sections in the future, now that I know their policy (or lack thereof) regarding spoilers.

I DO agree, though, that Bravo's "Who should go?" poll halfway through the episode was just as bad, if not worse, because there was no alert to change the channel if we didn't want to find out who the bottom three were. Advertising rules over everything, I guess. What a shame.
IronChef
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I agree, Lia. Love your location! lol




Thanks, Miss Otis! Now ... le sigh ... if only it could be true.
Aeirlys
I make a point of not reading spoilers (and in LA, we don't really read the Washington Post) because I do believe they spoil the experience. I understand Bravo's point of view.

But on the other hand, I don't think it was as big a deal as Bravo makes it out to be. My first impression was that the Washington Post had revealed something HUGE, but the winner of the first episode just isn't all that important to me. Besides, knowing the outcome of an event doesn't always ruin the experience.
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