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chefsha
:::Too bad he did not know about Angela/Allison before he went in that work room the first time.:::: - what is that about?? please help! I am as uninformed as Tim.....can't listen to the podcast -
lisakaz
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I was amazed how Angela just raked Vincent and his dress under the coals. Everything that came out of her mouth was negative. She was trying to convince everyone that Vince's dress was no good. I would never want her on my sales team.

If you are part of a team, you should support one another and the product on the line. At least I thought that was a good guideline to follow??

I'm glad Ms USA put her in her place to say it IS a good gown and ya-da, ya-da, ya-da!!!

These designers are missing out on a sales commercial of their time. I would think they would be wearing more items they made. Please Angela, your poodle skirt on acid is dead. Your pants with the lined diaper is not popular. What's with the belt around the left arm? Maybe Vincent can design her something nice.

She's the type to bad mouth others to make herself look good.

Ugghh,..No wonder you're out secluded in O-Hi-O...you don't play well with others.

I actually liked Vincent's dress, though the bow sleeves might have been a bit too big. I liked the color and the sihoulette. Frankly I hate the stupid outfits Angela wears with those poofy skirts and the boots, so I have no idea that she could even make a gown.




Raymondo
The other writer was right.U really do seem to be plugged in very well.Kudos.
chefsha
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Wait,u thought Malan's dress was worse than the tatoo lovechild's or Ula's unfitted nightdress?The only reason Kayne won was because he and Robert(former Barbie designer) were designing for a real live Barbie! And Vincent's Simplicity pattern needed his signature basket hat.lol


lisakaz
I actually liked Vincent's dress, though the bow sleeves might have been a bit too big. I liked the color and the sihoulette. Frankly I hate the stupid outfits Angela wears with those poofy skirts and the boots, so I have no idea that she could even make a gown.
chefsha
true - if you can remember who they are... (not trying to be snotty, most aren't memorble to me just yet)

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Still,there are more designers this season to root for than boring last season.


probono
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angelakeslar.com
her designs are pretty good




I wonder who did the sketches on the homepage? Keith? *teehee*
chefsha
You are more connected than you know! And cool on top of it, if that doesn't sound like shameless admiration...heck, or even if it does



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Thanks - you are so plugged in to all aspects of American culture and the folks on these shows - I am impressed.
And as an editor, I'd love to get your ideas on trend...
^cs^




D'oh!! Thank you, CS, but I'm really not all that plugged in, I swear. That article about Jeffrey's tattoo was a link off of the Blogging Project Runway site, so that particular apple didn't fall very far from the PR tree before I brushed it off and took a bite. And as far as trend goes, I'm woefully backward there--literally! I'm so pathetically retro (I'm all over anything from the 50's to the 80's) that I'm barely on the cusp of cool anymore!

And now, before I get my digits swatted for going too far OT, I'd better pack it in for the night.

'Night, All, and what is so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?


Raymondo
Just do what most good writers do(as I KNOW u gotta be):describe em with derision.Tatooed Dirty Ex-junkie guy,too long listening to ABBA girl,poofy butt Laura Branigan girl,unwashed chunky girl,unwashed quiet guy,etc.Well,maybe I'm being mean.....
chefsha
he doesn't mean to be superior (imho) - he's obsessed.
probably just as dysfunctional - but kinder...


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I think his hideous tatoo is a coverup any way,but I think if u look closely, it says 'cut here'(I'll volunteer!),and I think he is a chauvanistic ,probably woman-hater,who feels he is better than women,but I think Laura could cut him down to size......He is going to become one of my favorites to deride,there is so much to work with....




You are so right, there is a lot to work with. I know guys like him - squirley, superior artist types. They are the WORST to work with because not only do they not think that you can relate to their artistic vision, but they think that because you are a woman, you won't understand it (although women are perfectly ok to have s-e-x with, just not collaborate).


SisterZip73
Time for my take....not that it matters to too many people!

I just got to see the whole ep tonight; I have to say I can't disagree with Malan being aufed. While the design was interesting, the fabric used was completely wrong for the rusching and it just wasn't finished. It was heart breaking to see his tears and I'm sure he isn't the Count Dracula we first thought. But Vincent is the one who sealed Angela's repreve (sp). He said it was his design and made it clear that he did not appreciate her help or any offer of help. I don't know if anyone noticed in ep 1 that Robert told Angela to just glue the leather together; she didn't have time to sew. His voice is very soft sometimes and it was hard to hear, but I wonder if she can sew....

LOVED Laura's dress (after a dress that classy, I have a hard time calling her Mommy Dearest, lol). But it just wasn't pageant worthy. Kayne knew this was his time to shine and boy did he. I am sure they had the challenges decided on before they picked the contestants; just one of those cosmic coincedences.

Haven't read Tim's Take or any of the other stuff yet, but if you read Andy's Blog there is an interview with Malan that was really good.
chefsha
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And wouldnt it be nice if we treated each other decent and laughed at all the b.s. instead of letting the human crap get under our skin,and yet I love shows that show such things so we can air the differences....So maybe I might learn something from the tatooed monkey man.....




Yes, you are right. But that is part of the fun of watching reality TV. They take the worst parts of everyone and twist them to make them into "characters." It's a tough job to not give them anything to work with.

Although, that "feminazi" comment still irks me...



ya know - my dance community has "contra-nazis" (who bark at new comers for not knowing the dance figures) so I don't believe it was an anti-woman thing, just an anti-the-sentiment thing...
chefsha
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Laura is class with a capital T - if she cuts him down, it will be his response to a reasonable statement from her. She is above needing to "cut a gut."



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I think his hideous tatoo is a coverup any way,but I think if u look closely, it says 'cut here'(I'll volunteer!),and I think he is a chauvanistic ,probably woman-hater,who feels he is better than women,but I think Laura could cut him down to size......He is going to become one of my favorites to deride,there is so much to work with....






oops - I meant "C"
LimaBean
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We have a week folks, start guessing. So far I have seen Ipod, Cell phone, and dog. What else could inspire a challange that is an accessory?





I'll bite. How about purses, bags, shoes, scarves, hats, belts, or all those in combo? Umbrella? Makeup? Hair? Jewelry? Parrot on the shoulder? Your significant other? Or, grouped another way ... accesories from a certain era? How about tatoos?

I dunno.

There once was a Utahn named Bean
High fashion was just not her scene
Her shirts are all tattered
Her pants are all smattered
But for sure Beanie's threads are Tide clean!

(Watch me get in trouble for mentioning a brand ...)
suzeqzee
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that's a great thing about taste-although it was not complete, nor perfect, the inspiration, the idea, the romance, was wonderful....so I must respectfully disagree with you. A crappy design? no, no, a thousand times,no...




Ok, the design wasn't that bad - but the execution was lacking. It just made her butt look huge. I liked all the rouching (or whatever that was - smocking?) on the top part, but it just didn't fit with the bottom part.
Raymondo
While I may agree with you that the whole Angela/Vincent thing was rather vexing in its complexity,as we didnt see everything edited out,Malan's dress was not yhe worst up there and that is where I have the problem,if u look at both Uli's and the tatoo guy's dresses,they are both wrinkly lookingand not at all attractive.At least Malan's was shaped for a body that wasnt pregnant.
lazylady
I am glad you like her designs.

For me the trip through her web site has made me think Santino and Jeffery have style plus and are marvelous designers and I think their stuff belongs either in the trash or the rag bag lol.
chefsha
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I hate all the commercial,not cause I mind commercials,but because they're the same commercials over and over and over.One would think there are only three shows on the whole network!How many times do I hafta see the muscle bound woman and her endorphine crew before I say,hey I'm not even gonna watch? I think it's counter-productive.




hear hear!! I work with a personal trainer, but there is nothing compeling about this ad naseum ad...
chefsha
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I was amazed how Angela just raked Vincent and his dress under the coals. Everything that came out of her mouth was negative. She was trying to convince everyone that Vince's dress was no good. I would never want her on my sales team.

If you are part of a team, you should support one another and the product on the line. At least I thought that was a good guideline to follow??

I'm glad Ms USA put her in her place to say it IS a good gown and ya-da, ya-da, ya-da!!!

These designers are missing out on a sales commercial of their time. I would think they would be wearing more items they made. Please Angela, your poodle skirt on acid is dead. Your pants with the lined diaper is not popular. What's with the belt around the left arm? Maybe Vincent can design her something nice.

She's the type to bad mouth others to make herself look good.

Ugghh,..No wonder you're out secluded in O-Hi-O...you don't play well with others.





if they were smart they would wear their clothes (a la kara janx) they would show their BEST behaviour and ethics - or so one would think ... Americans love bad boys ...gender intentional...Tom Sawyer, The Scarlet Letter ...
suzeqzee
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ya know - my dance community has "contra-nazis" (who bark at new comers for not knowing the dance figures) so I don't believe it was an anti-woman thing, just an anti-the-sentiment thing...





That word just makes me think of Rush Limbaugh and LA. You may be entirely correct, but it just sticks me. No one uses it here where I live (well, at least not in front of ME). It grates on my nerves like nails on a chalkboard. I have to admit, their inclusion of it will color everything that I hear him say from now on.

Just one of those things I guess...
chefsha
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Well, we all feel that way sometime or another - but you've said it very well.
It's a travesty that Malan went and Angela (what a misnomer) didn't.



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I was very upset with the first episode. But I thought, hey I'll give the show another shot. Instead of giving the person that tried another chance they gave the person who didn't care. That doesn't make sense. To me it seems that they should have let the one who at least put a design in get another chance than let some annoying girl stay in.

This is the first time I've posted here. I'm not entirely sure I'm posting in the correct area. I was just VERY upset. It seems they never pick the person who I think should go, out of the ones they leave standing there.

I think that's it for me and watching the show. It's not worth it if every time I get up from the television I'm in a rage ranting about how these "supposed" fashion judges are morons.

I understand they don't see all the hoopla we see before hand. That's fine. I think they have poor taste and are horrible at judging.

I just had to say that. I feel much better now. Just wish I could find a way to contact the people who run the show and let them know they've lost a viewer.







I was away in a hotel that didn't have Bravo (sacre bleu!) so I missed the show until tonight. I was very very sorry to see Malan out. At least he can't be the sabateur! His dress looked better on the web than the show. It was problematic. I think the fabric didn't have the right qualities to do what Malan wanted, hence looked heavy. His sketches were gorgeous. I actually really disliked Uli's gown though I see that since I wasn't the customer it hardly matters. I loved Kayne/Robert's dress. Irridescent but not overpowering. Robert must have edited Kayne the way Nick did on Santino (I liked their BR outfit but I'm not BR's client). I really liked Laura/Michael's collaboration. It enabled the woman to stand out. And given we're talking about a beauty queen, that should work.

I hope Malan gets to come back! It was sooooo sad as to how he took leaving. I understand they judged the garment here and these team things always disproportionally make the leaders vulnerable (it's better in a way to lose that part of the contest even if you cannot win) but Angela was beyond the pale useless. She didn't improve Vincent's work. I'm not sure they did anything but whine.




You have said it so well - I agree!
chefsha
Raymondo - you are cool
Raymondo
There once was a girl from O-HI-O.
Who said 'I'm no designer,let's try tho.'
to Parsons she's pushin'
in a skirt resembling a pin cushion,
and gave them her drawing-less bio.

Patchy,I know,sorta like Angela's 'fashios'.
Raymondo
Hear hear!I agree that somrtimes a word may be just a word,but the tatoo boi makes my skin crawl a bit.
LimaBean
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There once was a girl from O-HI-O.
Who said 'I'm no designer,let's try tho.'
to Parsons she's pushin'
in a skirt resembling a pin cushion,
and gave them her drawing-less bio.

Patchy,I know,sorta like Angela's 'fashios'.




ROFL. Good one!

How did she get by the auditions if she "doesn't draw?" Do they take books with all photographs and no drawings? If not, who drew her sketches? Anybody know?
chefsha
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Just do what most good writers do(as I KNOW u gotta be):describe em with derision.Tatooed Dirty Ex-junkie guy,too long listening to ABBA girl,poofy butt Laura Branigan girl,unwashed chunky girl,unwashed quiet Iguy,etc.Well,maybe I'm being mean.....





wait -wait- wait
I love you and ABBA .. crisis...crisis
Raymondo
And thanx for calling me 'cool'.needed the boost.
chefsha
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We have a week folks, start guessing. So far I have seen Ipod, Cell phone, and dog. What else could inspire a challange that is an accessory?





I'll bite. How about purses, bags, shoes, scarves, hats, belts, or all those in combo? Umbrella? Makeup? Hair? Jewelry? Parrot on the shoulder? Your significant other? Or, grouped another way ... accesories from a certain era? How about tatoos?

I dunno.

There once was a Utahn named Bean
High fashion was just not her scene
Her shirts are all tattered
Her pants are all smattered
But for sure Beanie's threads are Tide clean!

(Watch me get in trouble for mentioning a brand ...)



whoa...however, I think you may have pegged it - lingerie. Yep, underwear
Raymondo
I once got hired by a guy to do sketches for his ballroom costumes that he showed to clients.But I think her book was just photos of her 'work'. Patchwork things because I think M.Kors called it 'Arts n Crafts movement'.?I think.....
LisaSabatier
actually, part of the challange WAS about conduct -- working with a partner
lazylady
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I once got hired by a guy to do sketches for his ballroom costumes that he showed to clients.But I think her book was just photos of her 'work'. Patchwork things because I think M.Kors called it 'Arts n Crafts movement'.?I think.....




Well if we are going to be honest, Jay's runway show from first season was nothing but dyed to match quilting.
chefsha
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that's a great thing about taste-although it was not complete, nor perfect, the inspiration, the idea, the romance, was wonderful....so I must respectfully disagree with you. A crappy design? no, no, a thousand times,no...




Ok, the design wasn't that bad - but the execution was lacking. It just made her butt look huge. I liked all the rouching (or whatever that was - smocking?) on the top part, but it just didn't fit with the bottom part.



the execution was not professional - but then, neither were either of the designers...so looks like we're both on target...
chefsha
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While I may agree with you that the whole Angela/Vincent thing was rather vexing in its complexity,as we didnt see everything edited out,Malan's dress was not yhe worst up there and that is where I have the problem,if u look at both Uli's and the tatoo guy's dresses,they are both wrinkly lookingand not at all attractive.At least Malan's was shaped for a body that wasnt pregnant.



So right
his was beautifully sculpted - but life is not fair
bambam
We can show Malan support by purchasing his designed T-Shirts located in the shop page. His design is a clown with a tear drop
Raymondo
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I once got hired by a guy to do sketches for his ballroom costumes that he showed to clients.But I think her book was just photos of her 'work'. Patchwork things because I think M.Kors called it 'Arts n Crafts movement'.?I think.....




Well if we are going to be honest, Jay's runway show from first season was nothing but dyed to match quilting.




True,and spray painted headsets.Sorta 'clothes for people who guide planes in from the cold-wear'.
LimaBean
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We have a week folks, start guessing. So far I have seen Ipod, Cell phone, and dog. What else could inspire a challange that is an accessory?





I'll bite. How about purses, bags, shoes, scarves, hats, belts, or all those in combo? Umbrella? Makeup? Hair? Jewelry? Parrot on the shoulder? Your significant other? Or, grouped another way ... accesories from a certain era? How about tatoos?

I dunno.

There once was a Utahn named Bean
High fashion was just not her scene
Her shirts are all tattered
Her pants are all smattered
But for sure Beanie's threads are Tide clean!

(Watch me get in trouble for mentioning a brand ...)



whoa...however, I think you may have pegged it - lingerie. Yep, underwear




No, YOU pegged it. I think you're right - underwear! Underwear in the sense that it is not serving the same funtion as sexy lingerie. More like practical undergarments. Good one. Definitely a contender.
lazylady
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I once got hired by a guy to do sketches for his ballroom costumes that he showed to clients.But I think her book was just photos of her 'work'. Patchwork things because I think M.Kors called it 'Arts n Crafts movement'.?I think.....




Well if we are going to be honest, Jay's runway show from first season was nothing but dyed to match quilting.




True,and spray painted headsets.Sorta 'clothes for people who guide planes in from the cold-wear'.




I didn't even want to mention those god awful head phones.
chefsha
makes the world what it is
chefsha
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There once was a girl from O-HI-O.
Who said 'I'm no designer,let's try tho.'
to Parsons she's pushin'
in a skirt resembling a pin cushion,
and gave them her drawing-less bio.

Patchy,I know,sorta like Angela's 'fashios'.



hahahahah= LOL
LimaBean
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I once got hired by a guy to do sketches for his ballroom costumes that he showed to clients.But I think her book was just photos of her 'work'. Patchwork things because I think M.Kors called it 'Arts n Crafts movement'.?I think.....




Oooohhh I see. So maybe sketches submitted at auditions don't have to be the designer's own sketches? This throws a whole new light on things for me. To take the idea further, how can the auditioning judges even be sure that the designer standing before them designed or sewed the outfits? Maybe just designing it is the only requirement?
chefsha
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actually, part of the challange WAS about conduct -- working with a partner



YES - which is why Angela should be OUT
Raymondo
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I once got hired by a guy to do sketches for his ballroom costumes that he showed to clients.But I think her book was just photos of her 'work'. Patchwork things because I think M.Kors called it 'Arts n Crafts movement'.?I think.....




Well if we are going to be honest, Jay's runway show from first season was nothing but dyed to match quilting.




True,and spray painted headsets.Sorta 'clothes for people who guide planes in from the cold-wear'.




I didn't even want to mention those god awful head phones.



Oh,but u gotta mention the headphones because that's what made me laugh when I saw Vincent's 'hat' design.
chefsha
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We have a week folks, start guessing. So far I have seen Ipod, Cell phone, and dog. What else could inspire a challange that is an accessory?





I'll bite. How about purses, bags, shoes, scarves, hats, belts, or all those in combo? Umbrella? Makeup? Hair? Jewelry? Parrot on the shoulder? Your significant other? Or, grouped another way ... accesories from a certain era? How about tatoos?

I dunno.

There once was a Utahn named Bean
High fashion was just not her scene
Her shirts are all tattered
Her pants are all smattered
But for sure Beanie's threads are Tide clean!

(Watch me get in trouble for mentioning a brand ...)



whoa...however, I think you may have pegged it - lingerie. Yep, underwear




No, YOU pegged it. I think you're right - underwear! Underwear in the sense that it is not serving the same funtion as sexy lingerie. More like practical undergarments. Good one. Definitely a contender.



Lima,
you may be right! YOU pegged it!
TSkot
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How did she get by the auditions if she "doesn't draw?"




Lots of successful designers don't draw at all - Ralph Lauren being the best known example. Angela may have had all photos in her portfolio of completed garments. Now last night, she could have presented herself better to Miss USA, however, and described her ideas, used some tear sheets from a magazine ("a skirt like this, but with a top like this, sleeeves like this" etc - yes, designers do that all the time), she could have even shown bad drawings. But that said - I honestly can't believe how many people here are trashing her. Looked to me like she did all she could to contribute, yet Vincent kept pushing her away -- not to mention being rude, condescending, and smarmy while doing so. Listen to Tim's podcast. He saw it correctly.

Let me stick up for Katherine, too, while I'm at it. Malan was no Vincent, but he made it clear the dress was going to be HIS way. What was she to do, grab it off the form and start making changes? Bravo to her for telling Malan it was up to him to defend it.

And Keith? Groping Miss USA? Good Lord, people. The man is queer as a 3 dollar bill! And he didn't grab her breasts, he put his hands on her waist.
Raymondo
Is it unfair to draw someone else's ideas out for them?I say no.My friend just couldnt draw as well as me,or make his designs look very professional so I assisted his pitiful sketches and 'fleshed them out' so people could see clearer his vision,but I,as a designer, would not take his designs,no,as I have my own ideas. But it's not wrong to want to work to communicate your ideas.
LimaBean
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Lots of successful designers don't draw at all - Ralph Lauren being the best known example. Angela may have had all photos in her portfolio of completed garments.




Oh, okay, good to know.

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Now last night, she could have presented herself better to Miss USA, however, and described her ideas, used some tear sheets from a magazine ("a skirt like this, but with a top like this, sleeeves like this" etc - yes, designers do that all the time), she could have even shown bad drawings.




I agree. Thinking fast on your feet is the mark of any consumate professional dealing with pleasing clients for a living.
LimaBean
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Is it unfair to draw someone else's ideas out for them?I say no.My friend just couldnt draw as well as me,or make his designs look very professional so I assisted his pitiful sketches and 'fleshed them out' so people could see clearer his vision,but I,as a designer, would not take his designs,no,as I have my own ideas. But it's not wrong to want to work to communicate your ideas.




Very true. However, this discussion makes me wonder how much of the effort PR requires to be 100% generated by the designer.
Brittnay
I did not like Malan but I don't think he should have gotten eliminated over Angela or Allison or whatever that talentless psycho's name was. Malan's fake accent and overly-dramatic sound bites were obnoxious and nauseating but here's why I think he should have stuck around:

The challenge was about designing a pageant gown AND (this it the important part) AND teamwork. Let us not forget that talentless Angela/Allison walked into Miss USA with no sketch OR design idea and basically wasted time. SOOOO... although Malan executed an unbelievably hideous dress he still completed the teamwork portion. AND his design concept was obviously good because Miss USA chose him as a team leader. It was just poorly executed. But the guy worked well with his team mate.

Allison/Angela DID NOT DESIGN ANYTHING AND AND AND was the worst team mate in the history of any show ever.

She did nothing but complain, her eye for design is obviously off because Vincent's dress was actually quite classic and pretty (minus the silly shoulder wings). Frankly, Allison/Angela was being a witch with a capital B

I think she should look into a new line of work, like maybe becoming an UMPIRE. DER!! Everyone knows that you either say it EMpire or Ampeer. Not umpire....

Idigress... With this chick I can safely say that I think I smell another Wendy Pepper. Conniving, huge attitude and far less talent than the other contestants. And just like with Wendy I'm going to scream at my TV if she keeps skating through the challenges way that Wendy did.

P.S. I hate her poofy mini's. She looks like she's trying too hard. Rocker funk in her wardrobe and granola earth mother in her hair and makeup. Consistency is key in fashion. Pick a direction and roll with it.
art_tchr_phx
I am really upset that Malan was cut. When someone keeps pushing away his partner and doesn't even let her do anything that's not being a leader, that's being a dictator. I also think a big red flag should have gone off when Vanessa said she didn't sketch. Hello??
suzeqzee
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And thanx for calling me 'cool'.needed the boost.




I think you're cool too, Raymundo!
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