BravoBoardBoss
July 19, 2006 - 03:49 PM
Discuss episode 101 here!
workoutgrl
July 19, 2006 - 07:14 PM
i already love this show. i makes me want to workout, and the workout woman in charge is both beautiful and an awesome power-lesbian. ha! rock on bravo, rock on!!!
wickedtikigirl
July 19, 2006 - 08:13 PM
Yup I agree with workoutgurl! This show is definetly going on my TiVo!!! Not only does it make me wanna hit the gym and get a trainer...there's so much potential for juicy drama!!
ans515
July 19, 2006 - 08:14 PM
LOVED This show!!!!! I think Jackie is amazing! I need to lose weight desperately and I am going to work out when I watch the show. Great job, guys!
Spin88
July 19, 2006 - 08:20 PM
Agree! Jackie is h-o-t and so are her trainers. Will be a fun summer watch!
vangoghsEar
July 19, 2006 - 08:21 PM
Yuck....she is trying too hard...not much there to keep me interested in this show...you guys enjoy....
Concerned
July 19, 2006 - 08:35 PM
Hello, I'm very concerned about the amount of domestic violence I saw between Jackie and her girlfriend.
Jackie and her girlfriend both seem to have very strong personalities. It seems that Jackie's girlfriend (who's name I am forgetting) asserts herself through control (No more strip clubs.) and physical violence (biting). While I have no doubt that Jackie can defend herself physically, and while I don't see the typical uneven balance of power in many domestic violence situaitons, I am still concerned about the amount of physical violence present in the relationship (biting and hitting). Unless it is a consensual act within a relationship, inflicting pain, especially as a means of control, is unhealthy.
I applaud Bravo for showing domestic violence in a lesbian couple because it is very hush-hush in the community and there are very few resources for lesbian domestic violence victims. However, the show did not seem to take the physical violence seriously. Neither did Jackie.
I hope that Bravo treats this issue with the seriousness that it deserves and helps both Jackie and her girlfriend seek treatment for their physically violent outbursts.
A Concerned Fan
vrasdurub
July 19, 2006 - 08:50 PM
Well, I have to say that I was VERY disappointed in Bravo's editing choices.
I did not expect that allowing my child to watch this show would be exposing her to such comments in prime time as one lesbian asking another "when was the last time we had sex" and receiving a response "well, we'll be having it tonight!" As such, despite my own interest in the show, neither I nor the rest of my family will be watching future episodes.
This was definitely a case of poor editing choice by Bravo where "story elements not relevant to the main theme" overrode good taste and "family appropriateness" for a show televised in prime time/family television time.
BravoTV, I am truly disappointed in you.
((Note: the issue is not about showing/discussing lesbians/lesbian relationships on television. It's about appropriate editing of prime time/family viewed television.))
Spin88
July 19, 2006 - 08:51 PM
Really are you serious? I'm not down playing domestic violence, I understand it is a serious and painful problem, but really, do you think their relationship is violent? It does seem unhealthy on some levels (the jealousy and reactive nature), but don't all relationships have issues?
I don't know, I saw someone close go through traumatic physical domestic violence....somehow doesn't seem to be on the same level.
carolmarie
July 19, 2006 - 09:15 PM
I am sorry that you seem to be disappointed in the show, but honestly this show is not set for a younger audience. Don't blame the network for your poor judgement in what your children watch.. "I'm just sayin' "
Anyways-
I think that BravoTV has done an amazing job on filming a show that is not only interesting but intriguing!! Jackie seems to be hardcore! I cannot wait until next week!!!
MountainMover
July 19, 2006 - 09:20 PM
[I agree...my kids were not around (thank God) and before the nasty talk started going on, I had just been thinking I'd show this show to them to get them motivated towards good health (although they are a little young to begin the whole workout thing...10-1/2 and 8...I just want them to see how great working out is - besides watching me). I think watching me will be fine for now though!]
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Well, I have to say that I was VERY disappointed in Bravo's editing choices.
I did not expect that allowing my child to watch this show would be exposing her to such comments in prime time as one lesbian asking another "when was the last time we had sex" and receiving a response "well, we'll be having it tonight!" As such, despite my own interest in the show, neither I nor the rest of my family will be watching future episodes.
This was definitely a case of poor editing choice by Bravo where "story elements not relevant to the main theme" overrode good taste and "family appropriateness" for a show televised in prime time/family television time.
BravoTV, I am truly disappointed in you.
((Note: the issue is not about showing/discussing lesbians/lesbian relationships on television. It's about appropriate editing of prime time/family viewed television.))
manynums
July 19, 2006 - 09:25 PM
I don't know where you live, but I do not consider this a prime time slot. I watched it at 10 p.m. CST. My son has been in bed for two hours...
Just turn off the television...if you're not into lesbian relationships, stop watching. The shows on TV don't get much more innovative than Bravo unless you go to premium cable. I'm thrilled to see such diversity...
I'll be interested to see where this show goes. Obviously there has to be tension. Jackie seems to have a good head on her well-toned shoulders. I liked how she dealt with "Peeler" and his oversized ego.
MountainMover
July 19, 2006 - 09:26 PM
[I see your point & somewhat agree. I couldn't blame Jackie for slapping her, but I'd set her straight on the bite thing so the slapping wouldn't have to happen. You just don't know...is the girlfriend going to escalate things? The bite Jackie showed was NOT a "love bite."]
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Hello, I'm very concerned about the amount of domestic violence I saw between Jackie and her girlfriend.
Jackie and her girlfriend both seem to have very strong personalities. It seems that Jackie's girlfriend (who's name I am forgetting) asserts herself through control (No more strip clubs.) and physical violence (biting). While I have no doubt that Jackie can defend herself physically, and while I don't see the typical uneven balance of power in many domestic violence situaitons, I am still concerned about the amount of physical violence present in the relationship (biting and hitting). Unless it is a consensual act within a relationship, inflicting pain, especially as a means of control, is unhealthy.
I applaud Bravo for showing domestic violence in a lesbian couple because it is very hush-hush in the community and there are very few resources for lesbian domestic violence victims. However, the show did not seem to take the physical violence seriously. Neither did Jackie.
I hope that Bravo treats this issue with the seriousness that it deserves and helps both Jackie and her girlfriend seek treatment for their physically violent outbursts.
A Concerned Fan
MountainMover
July 19, 2006 - 09:31 PM
I agree with workoutgirl, too. This show is motivating. I was happy to see some of the moves I do (on The Ultimate NY Body Plan) on the show. Made me feel like I'm on the right track. Can't wait till the Mobile is set up for Verizon.
strongCat
July 19, 2006 - 10:56 PM
Jackie Warner presented herself as informed, educated, grounded, certain, centered, and a benevolent leader - she's trying to bring eveyone in her establishment to a higher level re: fitness, worldviews, gender issues and leadership. I predict her show , if picked up for a seoncd season, will show clients and trainers THAT YOU ARE WHAT YOU CONSISTENTLY DO, so be conscious, focus, visualize, work hard, listen, learn and soar. Integrate, don't disintegrate.
I'd like to shake your hand Warner and say, "Well done!"
Cat Farrar - Photographer
strongCat
July 19, 2006 - 11:11 PM
I wanted to address the posters use of the phrase power lesbian. I would imagine Jackie Warner views herself first as sharp, intelligent, type A, driven, focused, morally and professionally ambitious and perhaps as an aside,what the LA scene might call a power lesbian. She's a complete package and not easily tagged with one dimensional labels.
Cat Farrar - photographer
KatMoon79
July 19, 2006 - 11:20 PM
You know as far as I am concerned I love the show... I have spent time working in the med feild and have had the hardest time tryin to figure out what I have been wanting to do with my life and even though most would say I have wasted my time I think I have waited just long enough because I love helping people but and the gratifacation you get with it, you can only wipe so many a** before it gets old and really heart breaking.... and after watching tonight I have found something I want to do.... I think Jackie and her team are amazing and the show is awsome.... I scolled through and saw some people liked it and others saying they would never let their kids watch it or they didn't like this or that..... The fact is, the show is not ment to be pretty and fake.... it is showing a woman, her dream, her life and those that are involved in it..... It is real.... and I love that about it..... I most definatly will keep watching.... and looking into school for the field.
charligirl88
July 19, 2006 - 11:29 PM
Wow! I'm sad that you thought the quote you used about going sex was inappropriate and Bravo observed bad editing tactics. So...
Was it ok if Jackie and Mimi would have been two heterosexuals stating they were going to get it on, or they were getting hot? What is the difference? Homosexual, heterosexual... sex is sex... and sex talk is allowed this way during this time slot. Check your local listings. Chances are, even on regular non-cable television the small inuendos towards sex are relatively understood or thought to be understood by your 10-year-old and possibly relayed, although incorrectly or misinterpreted to your younger child.
Otherwise, like the other members said, it is easy enough to turn off the television. Or, do like I do... view the programs sans children before allowing them to watch it. Parental Previewing is definately within our/your rights. Act on them.
strongCat
July 19, 2006 - 11:29 PM
It seemed abundantly clear that Jackie has a clear understanding of her girlfriends mind set/passive aggressive behavior/jealousy. The clips from the episode show Jackie being very conscious of the behavior, talking about as not the appropriate vehicle for resolution or understand. She's aware that her partner has less life experience on the planet (she's 11 yrs younger?) and part of the growing up process is facing emotional issues straight on, face to face and not acting out thru biting or fawning jealousy. Warner seems to be aware of the behavior having a direct relationship to the shift in their lives, i.e. Jackie is busy with amping us her gym and the Bravo show. If she doesn't grab onto this opportunity and do something with it, it could fly right by. Warner doesn't pull any punches and I suspect she'll face this issue head on and either resolve it or ask her to step out of her life.
Cat Farrar - photographer
strongCat
July 19, 2006 - 11:34 PM
Noticeably absent criticism regarding sexual content is the trip to the male strip club where a male trainer made the big blunder of thinking he could bond with a lesbin in a bar with dancing nude women. I sat infront of my tv when the guy suggested it and said, "Oh [censored], this is not going to go over well - bad choice." Straight men view their sexuality noticable differently then lesbians.
Cat Farrar - Photographer
Shane21
July 19, 2006 - 11:42 PM
I totally agree with this. I mean as a young lesbian myself I was very happy to see a show that is not only about a strong confidant business woman, who is very good at what she does, but they also openly show her life style with her girlfriend. As far as I am concerned Bravo is not really a channel for younger children anyways and it is not their job to protect your children. It's your job as the parent. I also believe that being open about this kind of stuff helps to spread understanding and reduce descrimination. I seriously love this show it is pumping me up to get back onto a serious regiment and Im intent on showing it to my martial arts class. Jackie is a really good role model for any young woman no matter their sexuality.
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Wow! I'm sad that you thought the quote you used about going sex was inappropriate and Bravo observed bad editing tactics. So...
Was it ok if Jackie and Mimi would have been two heterosexuals stating they were going to get it on, or they were getting hot? What is the difference? Homosexual, heterosexual... sex is sex... and sex talk is allowed this way during this time slot. Check your local listings. Chances are, even on regular non-cable television the small inuendos towards sex are relatively understood or thought to be understood by your 10-year-old and possibly relayed, although incorrectly or misinterpreted to your younger child.
Otherwise, like the other members said, it is easy enough to turn off the television. Or, do like I do... view the programs sans children before allowing them to watch it. Parental Previewing is definately within our/your rights. Act on them.
Shane21
July 19, 2006 - 11:47 PM
That was my reaction too. I sat there thinking "Are you stupid? She has a girlfriend!" I know from experience that jealous girls and strip clubs never mix. Not only that but he was being a complete idiot about it. Not all lesbians like strip clubs heck not all men like strip clubs it was not professional or appropriate, it was just trashy of him to do that.
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Noticeably absent criticism regarding sexual content is the trip to the male strip club where a male trainer made the big blunder of thinking he could bond with a lesbin in a bar with dancing nude women. I sat infront of my tv when the guy suggested it and said, "Oh [censored], this is not going to go over well - bad choice." Straight men view their sexuality noticable differently then lesbians.
Cat Farrar - Photographer
Generic
July 20, 2006 - 02:22 AM
Well watched it seemed ok. Like the slogan says 3% real, 97% fluff, really sums it up.
Interesting stuffs I guess is :
1. opened about sexualities
2. relationships (highschoolish to me)
3. attempting to running a no1 business in its category.
Normally this category , I dont care for, excercise stuffs, and its trainer hype. But what I care about the show is the "mechanics of owner going through daily business practices". I guess thats the only thing that made me watch it, the rest is fluff.
Not really sure for the overlook of the show, but as a business model I think it will do excellent out here, for business ventures/franchises.
Anyhow hope your fitness / trainer stuffs yields many success.
Ironically I found this to be lame , she wants a "professionalism" with her trainers but yet the owner has the same qualities with her relationships at her own place of business. For her to lead an example and to make her business stronger, she needs to cut out the soap drama with personal life into business, and her partner needs to understand it. Of course it relates back to the 97% slogan. I like the Toughness of the Owner and her beliefs system for business aspects but overall some of the fluff needs to be more adulterated, the current highschool antics, just doesnt cut it for me to hang onto the show for full viewing.
anyhow Gluck in a tough world.
SpeedRabbit
July 20, 2006 - 02:45 AM
Well...unless your kids stayed up until like past midnight on the west coast here, which obviously no one would agree this is a prime time family slot, then it's your responsiblity to make sure your kids are and will not be watching Work Out!! Stop blaming Bravo but yourself!!
WorkoutDude10
July 20, 2006 - 05:07 AM
Overall I liked the first episode. Jackie really seems concerned about people living healthy (physically speaking) lives. She really cares about her crew of trainers as well. Overall, I believe she put out a strong postive image for lesbians. However, Jackie's girl friend definitely has some issues (the insane jealousy and biting). Obviously, we don't get the full picture of the relationship, but still I don't see why Jackie, as successful and attractive as she is, just doesn't dump Mimi. There is obviously something else going on in a positive way in that relationship that is not being shown--that is the only way I can justify Jackie sticking it out.
As for Brian, yikes, either he should move back to the south or smarten up! He comes from that chauvanistic culture and now he's in L.A. were all the norms are turn on their heads. He needs to adjust if he is going to succeed. Its Jackie's gym and he needs to play by her rules so long as he's employed there. I don't quite agree with Jackie correcting Brian in front of his client. However, I understand why she was breaking him down, she has a vision of her business, and everyone needs to be on board, she needs to fold Brian into her vision. I just wish she chose a different method. As for the other other trainers, the one (I forgot her name), she's the flirt. She irates me, in a normal gym that type of behavior would not last long, but I guess she makes good Reality TV. The other trainer, the one who's been there the longest, I believe her name is Rebecca. She comes off level headed, she seems to playing Gayle to Jackie's Oprah. As for the rest of the trainers--not enough time was spent on them--so far they come off like vanilla. However, Doug comes off real nice, I mention him because he seems to have received the most face time of all the other trainers. The new young trainer, judging from the previews, looks like he will be trouble.
Overall, I am excited about the show, it looks like it will be part soap oprea and part motivation and healthy living advice.
rsdc1912
July 20, 2006 - 05:08 AM
A Concerned Fan,
First, let me say how much I enjoyed the show. Second, I do not like the relationship between Jackie and her girlfriend. More than physically violent (this can be interpreted as being playful ... but I don't get the biting ... form of control???), I believe the mental abuse in this relationship is even more unhealthy. The girlfriend is a control freak and uses emotional abuse through passive behavior and directly intersecting herself. What was the deal with her going directly to the trainer that "mooned" Jackie. I think it shows her flawed personality when she tells her "no more mooning." She believes she can control everyone. I personally would have told the girl I will moon who ever I want, but if my boss has a problem with it I will discontinue. The girl needs to be put in her place.
I think it is sad that a successful woman like Jackie tolerates such behavior and laughs it off. She is definitely not being a good role model for the gay or straight community. I feel sad for her. This relationship can only get worst .. if this girl is already telling her what she can do and what she can't and the biting. Ugh!
RSDC1912
Jpgirl
July 20, 2006 - 06:07 AM
I am so disappointed in this show. I've been a fitness professional for over 12 years and have had my own training business. Just about every cliche about trainers is in this show. None of the trainers (including Jackie) would last 10 seconds in my business. For so many years many of us professionals have tried to weed out the "gym rat" mentality that many of these characters on this show have. I understand that this is a TV show and they have to sensationalize everything, but really we fitness professionals live very normal lives. The domestic violence bothers me as well. Trainers should NEVER slap thier clients and lovers shouldn't slap or bite. Please please remember that this is only a reality show and it really doesn't reflect the profession realistically.
BRAVO4BRAVO
July 20, 2006 - 07:05 AM
I found Jackie to be just a darling young woman and a very hard-working professional, but the silly drama with her girlfriend adds nothing to the show. Actually, it really insulted my intelligence. I may give this show another episode or two to prove itself, but I'm not holding my breath. And Mimi? What a stupidly jealous bimbo!
britgirl
July 20, 2006 - 07:15 AM
Finally, someone talks about the fact that these trainers and the owner knows nothing about the fitness world. Having been a trainer for over 12 yrs and also having a master's in exercise physiology, it is painful to see the misinformation that this show is spreading. I certainly understand the soap opera appeal to the show, but feel rather sickened by the idea that these people will be used as fitness role models.
daunlin
July 20, 2006 - 07:34 AM
My girlfriend and I caught this show after Project Runway...our Tuesday evenings are now booked. Jackie is awesome. We found her to be both motivating and inspirational...not to mention, freakin' hot (omg, is Mimi gonna read this?). -And Erica is beautiful. Wow. -Off to do some push ups...
masmith
July 20, 2006 - 07:49 AM
I agree as well. I watched this last night when I returned from my workout and was charging my iPod. Just happened to turn on the tv and was on Bravo. I like the show and it does motivate me to keep on my workout plan.
1MoreSet
July 20, 2006 - 08:33 AM
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Well...unless your kids stayed up until like past midnight on the west coast here, which obviously no one would agree this is a prime time family slot, then it's your responsiblity to make sure your kids are and will not be watching Work Out!! Stop blaming Bravo but yourself!!
AMEN! The show warns you "3% Body Fat 97% Drama".
It's Bravo, it's in LA, it's about a gym...of course there is going to be talk about sex. BRAVO for BRAVO for being cutting edge. Watching a show alone and having "adult time" doesn't make you a bad parent.
masmith
July 20, 2006 - 08:52 AM
I agree to. The time it was on last night was 10 central time. You see references to this kind of subject matter in many prime time shows on regular stations.
jorod
July 20, 2006 - 09:06 AM
oops i posted this on the trainers folder.
hmm first time posting.
as a trainer I can relate to this show that's why I registered.
I can not say I'm not a high level trainer b/c i don't work with famous clients or athletes. And I have been training only part time for 2 years and I can say is that i have been successful to a degree. But what I can say is that I was not all that impressed but what I saw in the trainers. Sure, they all have personalities to be good with people but I did not see a fierce hardcore trainer. The girl I saw that I know is good is the brunette that is conservative about things, she is classy and confident. Some people you can just read you know. anyway, I'm going dvr the episodes and pick up some tips from this show b/c the owner is ballsy. I like her straight up in your face approach that;s the way gyms should be run. I would of loved to be in that bald head guys (brian I think) shoes when she was drilling him and making feel insecure I thrive on that stuff, I would of put on an amazing show..and proving to people that im the best. i just love training.
like i said I'm going to keep watching and keep learning.
gracehatter
July 20, 2006 - 09:49 AM
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Really are you serious? I'm not down playing domestic violence, I understand it is a serious and painful problem, but really, do you think their relationship is violent? It does seem unhealthy on some levels (the jealousy and reactive nature), but don't all relationships have issues?
I don't know, I saw someone close go through traumatic physical domestic violence....somehow doesn't seem to be on the same level.
Personally as someone who works with dv victims and perps, yes, it qualifies and I agree...Jackie, either get some help for yourself and your lover or drop her...all the signs for it to get worse are there.
snowplow1
July 20, 2006 - 11:05 AM
Perhaps the mother who was disappointed that the show wasn't kid appropriate is in a different time zone than I am, but for me the show premiered at 11pm - not really kiddie TV time, although it will be on at 9 in future weeks. More importantly, I'm assuming the mom got interested in the show because of the commercials...most of which feature Jackie saying, "People think I'm a b*tch, but I'm not." I'm not a parent yet, but I'd think that kind of language would clue me in that it's not a funny kiddie show about situps, never mind the fact that Jackie's girlfriend is featured. Anyway, kid appropriate or not, Workout is basically Blow-Out without the hair and Johnathan's constant crying - but I liked it more. I thought Jackie came across as a more authentic person, not that reality show editing really helps you to know the true selves of their characters, but still.
kareina
July 20, 2006 - 11:52 AM
what part of the "people think i'm a [expletive deleted], but i'm not" copy that was featured in the promos left you thinking that this is a show for the whole family?
i have to say that i get tired of reading these kinds of complaints -- this show is CLEARLY NOT for children. it is up you -- as the parent, to make sure that your family is watching the kinds of programs you find appropriate for their age and maturity level. BRAVO is editing for a mature audience, and needs to keep some of the more provocative stuff to make it interesting. otherwise, this becomes another watered-down version of TV meant for a mass audience. in other words -- boring.
the jury is out for me as to whether or not this is a good program. it was an interesting first episode -- the girlfriend is a jealous nightmare and i'd like to see more of a human side to jackie to answer for that copy which was featured so prominently in the promos.
IowaPoet
July 20, 2006 - 11:56 AM
I agree with you 100%-Johnathan acts like a baby and totally shows off for the camera. One day that karmal will come back and bite him in the arse. Jackie on the other hand appears to be authentic and caring. She really seems to care about how people take care of themselves. I liked the fact that she didn't want that girl to go under the knife. That showed total heart. If I lived in LA-- I would be a regular at her gym.
YnkInTx
July 20, 2006 - 12:25 PM
I dont think the content on this show is any different than the content on a show like law & order (on numerous channels) or even on a show like Friends that was on at an earlier time and actually talked about sex much more freely and was on a basic channel. The Bachelor makes out with 20 different women in one show and that again is on a local channel and at a time that is considered primetime television. I thought the show was great, for someone my age. Agreed it is not really for children, but it doesn't seem like it was going to be a show for children/teens in the first place.
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[I agree...my kids were not around (thank God) and before the nasty talk started going on, I had just been thinking I'd show this show to them to get them motivated towards good health (although they are a little young to begin the whole workout thing...10-1/2 and 8...I just want them to see how great working out is - besides watching me). I think watching me will be fine for now though!]
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Well, I have to say that I was VERY disappointed in Bravo's editing choices.
I did not expect that allowing my child to watch this show would be exposing her to such comments in prime time as one lesbian asking another "when was the last time we had sex" and receiving a response "well, we'll be having it tonight!" As such, despite my own interest in the show, neither I nor the rest of my family will be watching future episodes.
This was definitely a case of poor editing choice by Bravo where "story elements not relevant to the main theme" overrode good taste and "family appropriateness" for a show televised in prime time/family television time.
BravoTV, I am truly disappointed in you.
((Note: the issue is not about showing/discussing lesbians/lesbian relationships on television. It's about appropriate editing of prime time/family viewed television.))
jorod
July 20, 2006 - 12:26 PM
Jpgirl You go girl!
I can see a real trainer from a mile away I see some that want to be trainers but that is it.
dohh
July 20, 2006 - 02:06 PM
What is really bothering me about the vast majority of the posts regarding "Workout" is that everyone seems to obsess over Jackie's sexuality. Sheesh people! Get over it already! This is simply a show that highlights an intense woman who owns and runs a highly successful business. Of course they're going to show her personal life. But the fact that she's gay isn't anything to applaud or condemn. It's just one facet of her mutli-faceted life.
I love thie show, just like I love Project Runway, because it's fascinating to see highly-driven and successful individuals working hard to realize their goals. You don't see that every day.
fitgrlnyc
July 20, 2006 - 03:34 PM
I'll start off my first post about this like this...I have the fortunate vantage point of having been there, done that - since I owned an 8,000 sq. ft facility in NYC from 1997-2000 - and have been a trainer over 20 years now...and boy is Jackie in for a ride.
Considering in the first episode Jackie:
- allows a client to discuss her dating and sexuality status
(if you're PROfessional you don't let that happen - a session is about the client NOT the trainer)
- allows an employee to moon her
(that chick should have been fired instantly)
- allows her girlfriend to chastise aforementioned mooning employee
(girlfriend needs to chill!)
- wants the 'best' trainers yet corrects them in front of the clients
(how did you hire someone you have to correct like THAT?)
In her defense, she does have four employees who seem to be focused and on it, and already on top of their game. One thing I know for sure is you really can't hire 'top' established trainers to work FOR you and then tell them how to train their clients. If that's what she's looking for, she's going to have a rough, rough go of it.
Younger, less established trainers with POTENTIAL, yes, she'll be able to mold them. But unless someone is doing something blatatly outright dangerous, she should trust her trainers to do what they do.
OR, maybe she should hire better from the start, her interviews were backwards, imo. But no one asked me and hey it's her show, good for her, I hope she gets the most out of it...We'll see what happens...if... I can stand to watch it again, it was painfully bad.
Jackie seems driven but needs to communicate her standards more clearly to her staff. She kept saying she want's the BEST, but she needs to let everyone in that context know what THE BEST is..in Jackie-world, and what she expects to see so they have a chance to actually DO it.
anyhooo my .02
I_Heart_Proj_Run
July 20, 2006 - 04:08 PM
I watched last night's episode and, frankly, didn't get the sense that I was watching a "strong woman" manager/business owner.
I saw a petty, insecure bully who got her jollies by brow-beating and nitpicking. I'm wondering if she's got an "issue" for hetero men?
If Peeler working out, there's no reason to try to clown and undermine him - especially in the presence of others. Give him his walking papers.
Ok, so Bravo has a show based on the antics of a SELF-ABSORBED LESBIAN ::: yawn :::
Is there anyone who hasn't suffered through an obnoxious person unaccustomed to the trappings of success? Me either and I certainly don't need to watch one on television.
MountainMover
July 20, 2006 - 04:31 PM
[I think it depends on what you think your kids can handle. I don't shelter mine from every little cuss word or intimate scene. I never was into Friends, I didn't catch promos for this show. I turned on the TV to the "guide" and it said "Work Out" and the description was trainers in an upperclass spa in L.A. I grew up in Southern Cal and know 'how it is' and thought some of the scenes where they showed serious work outs would be cool for the kids to watch. During the commercial break Bravo showed the "[expletive deleted]" commercial & mentioned the 97% drama thing. Big Deal. Then when it got sexual, I knew this would not fly with the kids. It was on @ 9 here...a time when TV is still allowed for the kids (in the summer anyway), depending on what the show is about. I don't watch TV all day...I'm a mom and student, so I am not privvy to all the other shows or promos for the night-time ones. I don't blame Bravo in the least. I was just stating that I wished I could have showed my kids a "work out" show instead of them watching me all the time. I wanted to say, "You see how she's doing that move?" or "That looks like a good one to try!" stuff like that.]
I dont think the content on this show is any different than the content on a show like law & order (on numerous channels) or even on a show like Friends that was on at an earlier time and actually talked about sex much more freely and was on a basic channel. The Bachelor makes out with 20 different women in one show and that again is on a local channel and at a time that is considered primetime television. I thought the show was great, for someone my age. Agreed it is not really for children, but it doesn't seem like it was going to be a show for children/teens in the first place.
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[I agree...my kids were not around (thank God) and before the nasty talk started going on, I had just been thinking I'd show this show to them to get them motivated towards good health (although they are a little young to begin the whole workout thing...10-1/2 and 8...I just want them to see how great working out is - besides watching me). I think watching me will be fine for now though!]
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Well, I have to say that I was VERY disappointed in Bravo's editing choices.
I did not expect that allowing my child to watch this show would be exposing her to such comments in prime time as one lesbian asking another "when was the last time we had sex" and receiving a response "well, we'll be having it tonight!" As such, despite my own interest in the show, neither I nor the rest of my family will be watching future episodes.
This was definitely a case of poor editing choice by Bravo where "story elements not relevant to the main theme" overrode good taste and "family appropriateness" for a show televised in prime time/family television time.
BravoTV, I am truly disappointed in you.
((Note: the issue is not about showing/discussing lesbians/lesbian relationships on television. It's about appropriate editing of prime time/family viewed television.))
hotmomma
July 20, 2006 - 05:12 PM
I caught this show after Project Runway and I am HOOKED. I love it. I really like Jackie, however I think she really was too hard on the trainer that invited her to the strip club. I think it is the fact that he does have a lot of testesterone and maybe she is somewhat intimidated or angered by him-- but then again, it is her business and therefore she can run things the way she wants to. I love her relationship with her girlfriend because it's just so real. I really felt like that is truly who they are as a couple and that they weren't doing anything different for the cameras like some of these other couples do on reality tv. Their relationship isn't perfect but it is so real. She admitted at the beginning that her girlfriend had jealousy issues and that's exactly what we saw. I wouldn't go as far as to say there was domestic violence because the biting was part of a little game-- a silly one but still a game-- her girlfriend did not bite her in an angry way, and even though she left a mark, there was even something sexy about it. The slap she gave her girlfriend was just an instinctual thing coming from being pinched and prodded as she was trying to drive. It's amazing how people can make such big deals out of things. Calling that domestic violence is soo "dramatic"
hotmomma
July 20, 2006 - 05:22 PM
You sound so judgemental and close minded. You don't need to watch a station like Bravo. Stick to the family channel. Everyone and every show will not fit into the perfect little box that u and your family seem to live in. Also, if u are such a good parent-- view shows BEFORE you let your kids watch them.
feeling40
July 20, 2006 - 05:54 PM
I'm just hoping BRAVO incorporates a sweepstakes or something so I can get out there and actually be part of the workout!!!!
Dharma
July 20, 2006 - 05:58 PM
Jackie, Love your show! Inspiring and I need that. It would be great if they had another show where there were contestants that Jackie got into shape. Not necessarily like The Biggest Loser, but slim people that need to tone up and get in shape. She would be the "Gordon" of the gym.
Sparklebabegirrl
July 20, 2006 - 07:12 PM
Oh yes, Jackie is delicious. I have a crush and would never have a chance, cause she seems to like a challenge in her romance as well as work. What does she get from this insecure,jealous,boring,dog-biting behavior, her girlfriend displays. This is not domestic violence but certainly not healthy. I would dump her mad ass like she was hot which she is not. Jackie could have anyone, maybe someone that might treat her better. HMMMM,You can be gorgeous, have a great business, seemingly have the world as your oyster and yet even the most perfect appearing end-up with a girl that bites and moaps. Guess life evens things out that way. Can't wait to see next episode and Jackie's little tank tops.
suzeqzee
July 20, 2006 - 08:02 PM
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I watched last night's episode and, frankly, didn't get the sense that I was watching a "strong woman" manager/business owner.
I saw a petty, insecure bully who got her jollies by brow-beating and nitpicking. I'm wondering if she's got an "issue" for hetero men?
If Peeler working out, there's no reason to try to clown and undermine him - especially in the presence of others. Give him his walking papers.
Ok, so Bravo has a show based on the antics of a SELF-ABSORBED LESBIAN ::: yawn :::
Is there anyone who hasn't suffered through an obnoxious person unaccustomed to the trappings of success? Me either and I certainly don't need to watch one on television.
I sort of think that she messed with that guy on purpose to see how he would react. I'm sure that as a strong woman (and a lesbian) in a male dominated field she wants to make sure that a straight man working for her respects her - and is not going to flip out and act like an ass.
That was my read from the first episode - it may prove that she is really a nitpicky [expletive deleted], but for now, I think it was a test...