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LisaSabatier
Thanks! Be right back
LimaBean
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The Marlan guy is a space cadet. Review the tape...he called his model by the wrong name.







Well.Tito and Jermaine also called their model....Oh sorry,I thought I was on the Jackson Five Board...It's Malan....




ROFLMBO!

L i m a B e a n





Hey, L B!

Good to see ya!




Hey Sista ... just getting here after crawling my way through from post one. Good to see there is a 303.
lazylady
Does anyone know how to post a picture here or even if you can?
LisaSabatier
Oh I hate her.
khsr109
It doesn't matter how creative (or not creative) anyone's stuff was, Keith didn't finish the challenge, and, in all fairness, he should have been booted. On Top Chef, that's what happened when one of the chefs only did 2 of 3 dishes--no question: he was auf'd. Katherine's dress was no worse or less creative than Vincent's *thing*...I think she was robbed and I think it's a slap in the face to the whole show when he was allowed to stay and she had to leave. Ok, I need to lighten up now--it's just fashion....
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Kathy Griffin reminds me of a young-ish Joan Rivers whom I saw in concert in the 70's. At that time, she was the funniest woman on the planet...or nearly. Then she gradually got into the money and plastic surgery thing and became more or less a monster.

Kathy has that same potential. She can be extremely funny revealing the pomposity of Hollywood etc, but more and more is becoming cruel and crude.

I have noticed that my friends either love her or hate her...or simply are not moved at all. So, perhaps a Joan Rivers in a minor (flat) key.

While she gets kudos for working her butt off...hard work never excuses using the pain of others for one's own profit. Besides, that house of hers seems the definition of soulessness, but then again, I don't live there.

And now back to the true comic gunslinger: Tom Gunn.






I have Joan Rivers's album (yes, in vinyl) "What Becomes a Legend Most". One of the funniest comedy albums of all time. But now she is just a joke. Has more plastic in her than Barbie does!




Had that album too(it was my much older sisters...ahem.But did you have Lily Tomlin's stuff?Much more deep and character driven)
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Keith is a piece of work. I love how he shows up and thinks he is the greatest designer and didn't do anything to really complete the challenge. Yes, his dress was great, but he didn't do everything he was supposed to. (Just think of Top Chef and Dave in Vegas not making that third dish....he was robbed) I loved how Ivanka said she wanted to look at the tapes to see if he really had created anything for his pooch. RIGHT ON!




I have this feeling they have a finger on Keith from the beginning and he is the one they toss.

But it could be a big illusion. They are really good at that. Makes you want to run for the punch bowl. LOL!




You're right about their being good at illusions. That seems to be the most-common characteristic of all of Bravo's reality shows. A related illusion is their obvious tendency to keep love-to-hate-them people around for the drama and ratings. So I hope Keith is the one kicked off next week, but suspect he won't be.

Keith is the one who should have been kicked off this week. Yes, his dress was beautiful. But the designers were given very explicit guidelines for this challenge, as for every other one. And Keith just decided the guidelines were "stupid," so he refused to follow them. (Then to make things worse, he lied about it, until Heidi called him on it.)

Failure to even try to follow the guidelines should be an automatic disqualification, no matter how beautiful the rest of the design.
LimaBean
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Does anyone know how to post a picture here or even if you can?




We need to figure that one out. I'll work on it.

L i m a B e a n
jenaver
This show is strangely alluring - lots of fun.
The only problem is that a few designers (usually the most flamboyant, dramatic or annoying) get all the airtime. Bravo should know that viewers are also interested in following quality designers who simply do their work without causing a lot of problems! Michael's dress in episode three was gorgeous, tasteful and original. I would have picked it to win, yet he received only a few seconds of airtime. I missed episode two, but his dress from episode 1 was also stunning, and it was made from coffee filters!
I agree with others who have voiced the opinion that we want to see more of Michael!
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FF1 I think we are going to have to agree to disagree about her lol. I am glad you enjoy her!

She is just not my cup of tea, as I said I think I must be too old.
Not in my book babygirl.You're like the bed in the Three Bears:You're just Right.....



Thank you sweetie but I was buying fashion when Chanel was still alive lol




And I bet you remember more than I ever forgot,it still translates to 'fab in my book,dear'.Hey my first fave designer was Adrien,but out in the sticks,movies were king,at the drive-in....



OMG! Adrain is fabulous! Do you have all the fashion books like I do and sometimes just curl up with them and a nice icy glass of wine and drool????






I wish!When I went away to school my father threw out all my old books,thought I would grow out of my 'faggy stage'.Ah well...Ever seen a book called Fabulous Faces?It was hundreds of b&w pics of Joan Crwford,Marlene Dietrich,Greta Garbo and sadly cant remember the fourth face.The most impressive studio pics....
LisaSabatier
Oh, get a room!
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Interestingly, Joan Rivers is one of Kathy's mentors. They try to have dinner together whenever Kathy comes to New York City.





That wouldn't surprise me. I remember liking Joan Rvers so much I waited around after the concert (I was 16 or 17 at the time) and got her autograph...she couldn't have been sweeter.

But like Kathy, she was/is obsessed with wealth. It's a fatal disease.

I feel for them both. It's dificult to separate one's talent from one's moral self. As if being gifted is an excuse for being unethical or immoral. And yet, strangely, one's immorality or unethical behavior never diminishes the gift itself, only the bearer. Such I think is Keith's predicament. He confuses his enormous talent with a license to be above the ordinariness of being human. It's a mistake many artists make, as well as CEOs, politicians or anyone gifted in any area of life.

Ok, really holstering the gun for the night.
Raymondo
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Does anyone know how to post a picture here or even if you can?




We need to figure that one out. I'll work on it.

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Yeah,do that,cause we sure did learn about color here, didnt we,lima?And I'm bringing the punch next week....
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FF1 I think we are going to have to agree to disagree about her lol. I am glad you enjoy her!

She is just not my cup of tea, as I said I think I must be too old.
Not in my book babygirl.You're like the bed in the Three Bears:You're just Right.....



Thank you sweetie but I was buying fashion when Chanel was still alive lol




And I bet you remember more than I ever forgot,it still translates to 'fab in my book,dear'.Hey my first fave designer was Adrien,but out in the sticks,movies were king,at the drive-in....



OMG! Adrain is fabulous! Do you have all the fashion books like I do and sometimes just curl up with them and a nice icy glass of wine and drool????






I wish!When I went away to school my father threw out all my old books,thought I would grow out of my 'faggy stage'.Ah well...Ever seen a book called Fabulous Faces?It was hundreds of b&w pics of Joan Crwford,Marlene Dietrich,Greta Garbo and sadly cant remember the fourth face.The most impressive studio pics....



That sounds vaguely like a book my husband has, he is a photographer.

Honey, go to eBay and restock your fashion books. As they come in have an evening of self indulgance, your fav music on the stereo, comfortable clothes, drink of choice and a great fashion book.
Raymondo
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Interestingly, Joan Rivers is one of Kathy's mentors. They try to have dinner together whenever Kathy comes to New York City.





That wouldn't surprise me. I remember liking Joan Rvers so much I waited around after the concert (I was 16 or 17 at the time) and got her autograph...she couldn't have been sweeter.

But like Kathy, she was/is obsessed with wealth. It's a fatal disease.

I feel for them both. It's dificult to separate one's talent from one's moral self. As if being gifted is an excuse for being unethical or immoral. And yet, strangely, one's immorality or unethical behavior never diminishes the gift itself, only the bearer. Such I think is Keith's predicament. He confuses his enormous talent with a license to be above the ordinariness of being human. It's a mistake many artists make, as well as CEOs, politicians or anyone gifted in any area of life.

Ok, really holstering the gun for the night.






It's not the size of your holster....need I continue.lol
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FF1 I think we are going to have to agree to disagree about her lol. I am glad you enjoy her!

She is just not my cup of tea, as I said I think I must be too old.
Not in my book babygirl.You're like the bed in the Three Bears:You're just Right.....



Thank you sweetie but I was buying fashion when Chanel was still alive lol




And I bet you remember more than I ever forgot,it still translates to 'fab in my book,dear'.Hey my first fave designer was Adrien,but out in the sticks,movies were king,at the drive-in....



OMG! Adrain is fabulous! Do you have all the fashion books like I do and sometimes just curl up with them and a nice icy glass of wine and drool????






I wish!When I went away to school my father threw out all my old books,thought I would grow out of my 'faggy stage'.Ah well...Ever seen a book called Fabulous Faces?It was hundreds of b&w pics of Joan Crwford,Marlene Dietrich,Greta Garbo and sadly cant remember the fourth face.The most impressive studio pics....



That sounds vaguely like a book my husband has, he is a photographer.

Honey, go to eBay and restock your fashion books. As they come in have an evening of self indulgance, your fav music on the stereo, comfortable clothes, drink of choice and a great fashion book.




Hav I told u lately how marvelous you are?
ILOVEBEST1
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This show is strangely alluring - lots of fun.
The only problem is that a few designers (usually the most flamboyant, dramatic or annoying) get all the airtime. Bravo should know that viewers are also interested in following quality designers who simply do their work without causing a lot of problems! Michael's dress in episode three was gorgeous, tasteful and original. I would have picked it to win, yet he received only a few seconds of airtime. I missed episode two, but his dress from episode 1 was also stunning, and it was made from coffee filters!
I agree with others who have voiced the opinion that we want to see more of Michael!




And we (I) want to see more Robert!!!
Raymondo
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Oh, get a room!




Trying here.lol
ferncurl
Sorry, but the reason we've only seen two designs from Angela is because she wasn't selected to present a third. Why? Because not only could she not sketch a concept she couldn't even talk her way through one. Fifty percent that does not make. She needs to be out.
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Does anyone know how to post a picture here or even if you can?




We need to figure that one out. I'll work on it.


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Yeah,do that,cause we sure did learn about color here, didnt we,lima?And I'm bringing the punch next week....




Let's try this ...

<img src="http://www.bravotv.com/_content/projectrunway/home/pic_tim.jpg">
Holster
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It's not the size of your holster....need I continue.lol





Holster? That's my sister!

(old appalachian joke.)
LimaBean
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Does anyone know how to post a picture here or even if you can?




We need to figure that one out. I'll work on it.


L i m a B e a n





Yeah,do that,cause we sure did learn about color here, didnt we,lima?And I'm bringing the punch next week....




Let's try this ...

<img src="http://www.bravotv.com/_content/projectrunway/home/pic_tim.jpg">





Nope. Maybe a techno-geek can help us. In the meantime, I'll take more punch please!

L i m a B e a n
LisaSabatier
Actually, I think Heidi said that about Katherine's outfit...that she liked the dog's better
ILOVEBEST1
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My feelings about the episode are very mixed. On the one hand, I thought the overall quality of the work was fantastic- ususally I love some, hate some, and feel "bleh" about others, but this time thought they were all quite good (with the exception of Angela's).

On the other hand, I felt the juding was just...wrong. I liked Uli's and Alison's very very much, but for me the top three were Laura (I know it's the second time she's used fur but I think it's just a material she likes to work with; it's like using silk two weeks in a row; plus, a large coat and a skirt/jacket combo are quite different), Kayne, and Micheal. I'm not sure why Bradley was in the top three...I guess his outfit was very couture-ish but I stil thought the shape was very unflattering. It actually reminded me a lot of Daniel V's orhid dress, only less pretty.

I didn't feel strongly about Katherine getting kicked off. I haven't loved anything she's done, but I think Angela should have gone because that outfit was just bad. I'm sorry, I'm sure it was very well constructed, but admit it, it was UGLY.

Well, here's hoping that with all next week's drama, they still remember to show us some outfits going down the runway.




I'm seeing what you saw, even the Daniel V comparison. Uli seems stuck in a style of dress MORE than Laura, if that is possible. Angela's was just FUGLY! I can't remember another I hated so much, even Santino's skating costume had some redeeming feature.




I started feeling really bad yesterday when I thought about how much I didn't like Angela. It feel terrible to be on TV and boast that your clothes are often mistaken for an "Yves Saint Laurent" only to put out a rediculous outfit suitable only for a porn star or hooker. Angela give it up and go back to the farm life! Robert is the BEST!
IronChef
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Hav I told u lately how marvelous you are?




Ok, fess up. Who the hell spiked the punch with extra saccharine?!
FoodFanOne
Wow, Bravo must be concerned about the drop-off in posters from not having an Episode 302 board up for an entire day. Check out the "ProjectRunway3" board list. The boards for 302 and 303 are now lit up, like "hint, hint." Cool.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm glad Angela is still around.


No you're not alone,Vera Wang agreed with you,and Nina and Ivanta and....yep that's it...lol.No no,I was more disappointed in what was missed in this epi.The designers were told to give their outfits some 'backstory' and none of em came up with a real good campfire story.That was part of the challenge too,and on that count,the stories I actually heard weren't remotely imaginative.Every person was an urban jet setter or professional,not something more original?Robert coulda used a hundred Barbie stories or Michael a tale of his character fitting in to high society,never realizing she was born to that life.I mean for imaginative people,on paper,many of them came across as rather unimaginative,which would be a fallacy.




Robert told us his story only to follow it up with how much he hates stories and thinks they are so rediculous...Good ole Robert! I really he had more screen time...
FoodFanOne
Ok, well, half the time, only the 302 board is lit up. Wrong way, boys. : : : knocking on glass, looking for programmers : : :
LisaSabatier
With over the elbow gloves of course
LimaBean
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Wow, Bravo must be concerned about the drop-off in posters from not having an Episode 302 board up for an entire day. Check out the "ProjectRunway3" board list. The boards for 302 and 303 are now lit up, like "hint, hint." Cool.




Did we ever hear an explanation for why they took so long to get ep 303 up?

L i m a B e a n
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Ok, well, half the time, only the 302 board is lit up. Wrong way, boys. : : : knocking on glass, looking for programmers : : :




And, the ad is back over this column again. Although, there is enough room to squeek your cursor on the quote button and click on it, this time.

: : : fellas? anybody playing around with the ad? : : : :
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Ok, well, half the time, only the 302 board is lit up. Wrong way, boys. : : : knocking on glass, looking for programmers : : :




And, the ad is back over this column again. Although, there is enough room to squeek your cursor on the quote button and click on it, this time.

: : : fellas? anybody playing around with the ad? : : : :




Kinda unnerving here. Now, the ad is back off the posts, and both boards are once again lit up on the summary page, to highlight that there actually is a new one. Nicely done, you guys! Time to get yourselves some "Project Punch" and get schnoodled, er, relax for the evening.
Holster
I don't understand all the hullaballoo concerning the judging. The credits clearly state that the final judgements are made in consultation with the producers. Does that make it less "real" or "fair"? Well, of course! But that is the ground rule...so one should expect outcomes like last night's. Katherine is a relatively bland personality with relatively bland designs....relative to someone like Angela who has a stronger (if more negative) personality and stronger (if more tasteless) design....in as much as the editors allow us to see and hear! Editing is everything!

I mean, it's just a fun romp, isn't it?

I think it's more fun to try and outwit the producers and then try to figure out who's staying and going.

In the "real" world of design, there is just as much injustice and unfairness as on the show, if not much more. In business, it's 1) money, 2) money and 3) money and the rest is who you know and who knows you. Relationships (whom you like and who likes you) is a major factor in life and always will be.

Take it for what it is. A TV show whose outcome has already been decided. There's no business like show business!
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No amount of editing could make the crap she put on the runway last night look good. IMHO.
Cyndi Lauper on acid wouldn't wear that to a children's party.




amen!
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The Marlan guy is a space cadet. Review the tape...he called his model by the wrong name.







Well.Tito and Jermaine also called their model....Oh sorry,I thought I was on the Jackson Five Board...It's Malan....




ROFLMBO!

L i m a B e a n





Hey, L B!

Good to see ya!




Hey Sista ... just getting here after crawling my way through from post one. Good to see there is a 303.




No kidding! I just finished up reading 302 and my eyes are a bit buggy.

Love the way some people drop in a BIG post mentioning some spoiler and when you go to the spoiler page...it ain't there. Not that I really want to know...I don't peak at my Christmas presents...just sayin'.
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Kathy Griffin reminds me of a young-ish Joan Rivers whom I saw in concert in the 70's. At that time, she was the funniest woman on the planet...or nearly. Then she gradually got into the money and plastic surgery thing and became more or less a monster.

Kathy has that same potential. She can be extremely funny revealing the pomposity of Hollywood etc, but more and more is becoming cruel and crude.

I have noticed that my friends either love her or hate her...or simply are not moved at all. So, perhaps a Joan Rivers in a minor (flat) key.

While she gets kudos for working her butt off...hard work never excuses using the pain of others for one's own profit. Besides, that house of hers seems the definition of soulessness, but then again, I don't live there.

And now back to the true comic gunslinger: Tom Gunn.






I have Joan Rivers's album (yes, in vinyl) "What Becomes a Legend Most". One of the funniest comedy albums of all time. But now she is just a joke. Has more plastic in her than Barbie does!




Had that album too(it was my much older sisters...ahem.But did you have Lily Tomlin's stuff?Much more deep and character driven)




No, but I could do a killer Edith Ann!
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Yeah,do that,cause we sure did learn about color here, didnt we,lima?And I'm bringing the punch next week....




Make sure you make enough for everyone....I think next weeks show will make the punch a manditory thing!
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It's not the size of your holster....need I continue.lol





Holster? That's my sister!

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But one that can be appreciated by everyone! ROFLMAO!!!
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Love the way some people drop in a BIG post mentioning some spoiler and when you go to the spoiler page...it ain't there. Not that I really want to know...I don't peak at my Christmas presents...just sayin'.




It's like driving by a wreck, you don't want to look but you just can't help yourself.
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Love the way some people drop in a BIG post mentioning some spoiler and when you go to the spoiler page...it ain't there. Not that I really want to know...I don't peak at my Christmas presents...just sayin'.




It's like driving by a wreck, you don't want to look but you just can't help yourself.




If you look at the photos for season 3 there is a picture of Bonnie & Kayne drinking the PR Punch!!! Since when did we release the recipe? lol!
samuel
Go Bradley. Go Bradley. Go Bradley.
CELINA32799
I totally agree. I really think Angela is a tasteless fg hoe. She needs to GOOOOOO. I havent liked anything shes made. I kinda felt sorry for her last week cause I think vincent is a whiny drama queen. But this week omg. My 7 year old daughter said, Mommy if you ever dress like that, dont even think about bringing me to school. What do think of keith? I really like him but his tude is starting to suck it's starting to turn me off. I think he's the one they are kicking off. I do think he's good though. Micheal is also great. I loved all his stuff too. I wish he had made this dress in a different color and Alison too. I loved hers but couldnt understand why she used the white with a white poodle they both should have used brighter colors.I loved both their outfits though. At first I didnt like Uli's cause I was mad that michael or alison didnt win. But the more I looked at it the judges had made the right decision. I also liked keiths. but it didnt make sense why he didnt make anything for his dog. He's really becoming annoying, a little full of himself, such a pity. I think hes such a hotty. He reminds me of an american Jude Law.
Legolass
How dare you call my future ex-boyfriend 'prissy'? He is merely mega organized.




Guess that makes him a megasexual - lol
Legolass
Is that a Gunn in your holster or are you just happy to see me?
Legolass
I had to laugh out loud when Keith was explaining his problem in designing for his dog. Said that he had made 3/4 outfits. Ivanka, who had no previous experience with Keith, wanted to see that tapes to see if he really had done any. She was onto him immediately. Lie #1? Then, when he said he made the collar, Heidi jumped out of her chair sooooo fast and made a beeline for the dog. A bracelet from the accessories room with some fabric attached. Lie #2? This guy just keeps getting better and better. He can't leave; we need to keep any eye on him.
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... including the need to play "Mastah" and protect the defenceless [expletive deleted]! He's doing just fine, Mummy!



I had to excise this bit from a remarkable post to disagree with it, without being lulled by the poster's fine wordplay.
Whatever Laura's well-hidden faults, I do not think she is playing "Mastah".

I think Laura initially teamed up with Michael because she knew that she was out of her depth on a Miss Universe challenge. Michael Knight's sexy white coffee filter gown in Challenge 1 showed him to be a serious contender who might inject some youth and sexiness into Laura's classic style. And I believe that Laura utilized more than Michael's construction skills. My instincts tell me that during the "give and take" of the pageant endeavor, Laura and Michael developed some mutual respect, rare in a room full of blind egotism.

Recalling the bit of the preview where Laura retorts to Keith that she is just defending her "maaan", (the playful implication being that she is sexually involved with a much younger man), this seems much at odds with your interpretation that Laura is being condescending. In old movies, when the white snob refers to a servant of any race, he might say "my man" or "my maun" denoting ownership. Today, a boss may refer to his/her employee in the field as "my man" meaning that person represents him/her in business dealings.

I also wonder if you realize just how offensive the word "[expletive deleted]" is, especially to use in such a trivial manner. Laura Bennett does not deserve to have that word associated with her, and frankly, I do not deserve to have to see it here. It is not advocating censorship to remark upon it when a hurtful word is bandied about for no apparent reason, no matter the race or intention of the person using it. Just as Keith was wrong for thinking that his superior talent made him above the dog challenge, I say that your superior talent with language does not excuse your flip use of a racial slur.

On the Runway 2 board, I got into arguements that labeled me to some, sexist. It was hurtful and unfair, and I am not trying to label you anywayatall. I also realize that if you deem my objection, um, objectionable, you have much more firepower in your, um, holster, than I.

I am torn between my need to defend Laura and Michael, and perhaps myself by extension, and the fear of being flamed to a crisp by a wordmaster who, I admit, intimidates me. My only defense against sophistry is sincerity. Please accept my sincerity, and my countless flawed back posts on undeletable Bravo as proof that I am not arrogant.

I disagree with your derogatory description of Michael and Laura's friendship. As evidence of what I see as mutual respect, not only did I see Michael's "L.A." design influence on Laura's pageant gown, I found Michael's classic/subdued choice of fabric for his sexy 3rd challenge halter dress to be very "NYC Laura". I think those two are good for each other artistically, and they both suspect it. And just as in the phenomena of straight woman/gay male friendships I puzzle over, I think Laura and Michael could have that rare male/female bonding without sex (or race, btw) being a debilitating factor.

All the biographic information about Michael's music video background pointed to him being the designer that Heidi Klum made her "raunchy" comments about, but that turned out to be Angela. Angela reminds me of Wendy Pepper, who could also be tasteless and raunchy in her designs. Is Michael a "sleeper" like Robert (the seeded winner), or is there another reason he has been virtually invisible despite his superior work? I hope he is not the designer sent home (for many many reasons going back to Season 1&2).
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... including the need to play "Mastah" and protect the defenceless [expletive deleted]! He's doing just fine, Mummy!



I had to excise this bit from a remarkable post to disagree with it, without being lulled by the poster's fine wordplay.
Whatever Laura's well-hidden faults, I do not think she is playing "Mastah".

. . . I also wonder if you realize just how offensive the word "[expletive deleted]" is, especially to use in such a trivial manner. Laura Bennett does not deserve to have that word associated with her, and frankly, I do not deserve to have to see it here. It is not advocating censorship to remark upon it when a hurtful word is bandied about for no apparent reason, no matter the race or intention of the person using it. Just as Keith was wrong for thinking that his superior talent made him above the dog challenge, I say that your superior talent with language does not excuse your flip use of a racial slur.
notevayas





Wow, I'm embarrassed to say that I was speadreading Holster's extraordinarily long post and missed the end of the paragraph that had that comment. I too am stunned at the use of the word "[expletive deleted]" and the master-slave reference; it is deeply offensive. Notevayas is right; the slick writing style of a comment should not excuse the use of offensive or derogatory terms.

I am solidly behind notevayas on this one. That your comment didn't provoke a huge outcry and immediate trashing is no doubt because it was so long that others just glanced through it as well, missing whole parts of it. Gotta say, Holster, that comment is sledghammer worthy. You are very lucky that the board didn't pound the crap out of you for that one.

You are an intelligent and well-spoken new voice, and I hope you will continue to contribute. But please DON't contribute anything that offensive again . . . ever.
FoodFanOne
eyelikepr
TO ME, this was the silliest challenge. I couldn't look at the models cause the dogs got in the way. BTW, Javi looked like a runway model for the first time tonight. Keep animals off the runway (unless it's used as fabric--sorry PETA)
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and finally...WHY ISNT ANGELA GONE YET!?!?!?!?! yes...her presence has made me mad for the second week in a row....






Because the Producer's feel she adds the drama to the show. There has to be a villian or someone you hate on a show. Realty TV???
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Interestingly, Joan Rivers is one of Kathy's mentors. They try to have dinner together whenever Kathy comes to New York City.



Though, Joan Rivers has more warmth in humor along with the cattiness. Maybe it's being a mother or something. It's something Kathy Griffin doesn't have. She's just all venom. Rivers is better and has more humane moments
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