BravoBoardBoss
August 1, 2006 - 05:59 PM
So what did you think of episode 3?
lisasbil
August 1, 2006 - 06:18 PM
My sister in law was not impressed with the manner in which Jackie's mother was blindsided during the dinner party.
That being said, she would like to know if Jackie and Mimi are still an item. If not, perhaps a trip up north could be in the works.
naplesChic17
August 1, 2006 - 06:19 PM
My first reaction to the show was- ugh, not another one! But I find myself fixated. This episode 103 was very inspiring. I got hooked on the inspiration part in the first episode, but this one, where they featured Tess, was definitely the cat's meow for me. I am also struggling with my weight, and although I haven't had the "come to Jesus" meeting with the doctor, it haunts my very being. I am just sick and tired of people looking at me and seeing the fat suit, and not the person that I am. Tess was awesome, she never said "i can't" or anything like that. I used to run marathons, and now, thanks to 3 knee surgeries and a hereditary thyroid condition, I am easily 75 pounds overweight. I expected Jackie to be one of those trainers with the hot body treating her clients who struggle with excessive weight like she is tolerating them. I am pleased that I was wrong on this and that inspires me. I also find her entire outlook on life to be inspiring. I enjoyed watching the interchange between Mimi, her friends, and her Mom at the dinner party because I liked that it was honest and intelligent. It's so refreshing to see people discuss political issues without becoming infantile. I give Jackie major kudos for opening her life up like that and letting America see what she goes through- her mom, too. That takes alot of courage. Thanks for my weekly does of inspiration- can't wait for next week!
Exoticfemale
August 1, 2006 - 06:19 PM
I just learn new ideas about how to live a full life in a gay way Freezing the eggs is a wonderful idea....So yeah was an excellent show as all the rest!!!!
mumsy15
August 1, 2006 - 06:22 PM
was great as always. so inspiring. wish i could afford to have personal trainers like that. i need someone to kick my ass. i would give anything to workout with great people like jackie and her trainers.
Kiasmama
August 1, 2006 - 06:25 PM
I could sooooo relate when jackie said her mother would rather her be single and miserable than in a gay relationship. Having said that....I felt so bad for her mom when they were ganging up on her. I mean....she has her views and while the others think it's narrow minded....I thought it was VERY narrow minded of them not to see her point of view.
And I"m sorry..the more mimi opens her mouth the more I don't like her. Saying that crap "a real mother" would love her daughter. I think it's great she comes from a family that supports her....but they aren't all like that. I wish she would realize that.
josie61
August 1, 2006 - 06:26 PM
I loved it....What I mostly like is the well rounded input from all types of folks. I like how Mom is obstinate, Jackie is driven, yet plagued by the same doubts we all are. I like how altho Jackie is the "boss", with Mimi, it's not like that. Tess was a great inspirational addition, and the interplay (and subplots)with all the trainers is quite gripping. I just LOVE this show!
suezqmo
August 1, 2006 - 06:27 PM
I am new to this site...saw someone's message about knowing what all those necklaces were about.... I missed the meaning behind them....anyone know?
Kiasmama
August 1, 2006 - 06:31 PM
they are microphones. Lots of show use them
NJCristina
August 1, 2006 - 06:33 PM
I was anxiously anticipating tonights episode and it was well worth the wait. I love the fact that real lesbian issues are addressed. I think Jackie is awesome with the way she haddles every situtation. She thinks things thru and figures out the best way to attack. Her patience and tolerance with the women in her life is to be commended. Even as a trainner, her careful and maticulous effort makes a tremendous difference in the relationship she establishes with her clients. I TRULY ENJOY THIS SHOW!
JTP1
August 1, 2006 - 06:36 PM
I was wondering the same thing about the necklaces- actually was liking them- thinking it was some kind of gift Jackie gave her friends and clients. Was actually looking into getting one myself- color me blue.
Loved the show tonight!!! Although I will also admit I'm not the biggest fan of Mimi- you would just think with as calm as Jackie is she would be with someone just a little bit more calm like her. Or atleast someone who wouldn't be quite so rude to her mother- Jackie's mother may not agree- but Mimi just made that dinner difficult to even watch.
AWBalboa
August 1, 2006 - 06:42 PM
I would like to respond to people who have voiced anger, resentment, and disgust with the proposition of legalizing gay marriage in America. It seems that those against gay marriage have a few misunderstandings.
The core of these confusions is that gay and lesbian people have a choice about their sexuality. If given a choice of which sexuality to be, why would anyone choose the sexuality that brings along discrimination and inequality? My response to this is that there is no choice. I can no more choose to be straight than a straight person can choose to be gay. Ask yourself (if you are heterosexual), could you have a sexual attraction to the same sex? Would you have a desire for the love and connection (date/marry) a member of the same sex? Could you choose? No, you could not, unless you really are homosexual, or bisexual. Is a homosexual without a choice of their sexuality a pervert when they are not hurting another person, seeing as though I am speaking of consensual relationships here, not molestation that could happen on either side of the sexuality fence?
I believe that some people came to the conclusion that homosexuality is a choice because they see people acting straight for their entire lives, until one day the people they thought to be straight come out of the closet. They do not ask the gay or lesbian person if they knew themselves to be homosexual since childhood or first memory, and if they do ask, they obviously do not accept the affirmation, since that would mean they have been lied to for as long as they have known the person to date. If they did accept the assertion that gay and lesbian people knew their sexuality from first memory, then they would no longer accept the idea of people having a choice over their sexuality.
The closet exists because of the discrimination in society and the demand that homosexuals stay confined to it. We (homosexuals) do not originally control the key to the closet, nor do we control being confined to it in the first place. It is the strong willed that take the key from their oppressors and come out of the closet, but this accomplishment only gives self-actualization. Coming out of the closet does not mark the end of the struggle since society does not offer equal rights, given that we have neither inheritance rights nor access to our partners' social security, pensions, or the ability to make decisions on their behalf while in the hospital. Other such policies such as “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” in the US military are a closet in their own right, along with the commonality of people coming out to themselves or to good friends yet still not being able to speak of themselves honestly in most places of work or amongst some members of their own family. It seems that even after trying to step out of the closet, society is still in fact blocking the door.
Another argument of those against the idea of gay marriage is often that it is against their religious beliefs or the word of God. With this, I think back to the civil rights movement, mostly within the 1960s. The religious right was the most fervently against getting rid of the practice of segregation; was that too against their religion? Biblical passages were cited as if it truly was Anti-Christian to support racial equality. Is someone less Christian because he is tolerant, because he believes in "Love thy Neighbor"?
In response to this I often hear that black people cannot help that they are black, that they are as human as everyone else is, that racism is bad, which is all true, but there is a direct connection with this and my previous point that being homosexual is not a choice. Once the myth that homosexuality is a choice is extinguished there will be no more argument along these lines that we do not deserve the same fundamental rights that other races have achieved through similar steps that the gay community is pursuing now.
Divorce is still a practice that religions (and society) frown upon and some religious sects will not perform. Often someone who has been divorced is not allowed to be buried in their church’s cemetery. Unlike gay marriage however, the government of this country will still preside over the divorce hearing and make it all possible. Why is there a separation of church and state in this instance, but not the other?
As with the previous misunderstandings of the straight community, there is also confusion between why the gay community wants to legalize gay marriage. I have heard people say that civil unions are equal to marriage, that we are fighting over the meaninglessness of a word. Well, the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) uses the word "marriage", so if a state grants a civil union, the couples of such unions will not get the distinct federal rights associate with "marriage". If the religious right (closed minded conservatives included) wants to hold on to the word “marriage” in a heterosexual context that is fine (for now), but make sure that DOMA includes the words "civil union" with every instance of the word "marriage" in the text.
I hope the contribution of mine has educated some people, regardless of their sexuality on the issues at hand. Gay marriage is not intended to infringe on religious beliefs, but it is a cause to infringe on the discriminatory practices in American society and law. In all honesty, should the law of this country have anything to do with the religions beliefs of fundamentalists of any faith? The separation clause of the US Constitution answers this adequately enough (even with three major different interpretations) that there should be a separation of church and state.
jswaney
August 1, 2006 - 07:07 PM
I love this show so far and I really admire Jackie for the way she can handle her mother. ( and bless her heart, Mimi too, lol )
That mother does not speak for everyone in middle america. I live right in the Bible Belt and am a happily married woman. I do not care if you are gay or not. You want to get married, as I did, go for it. I would rather trust judgement of my lifestyle for God and God alone instead of any human being. God knows us better than anyone and you will not tell me what God wants. I will go with my heart and gut. So, good for her and I hope she never backs down. I do hope the mother can find peace with this before she misses out on so much in her life. That would be sad.
Plus---all these gay men on this show are soooo good looking, lol. Just had to add that, lol.
Bye,
Jen
lessofthesame
August 1, 2006 - 07:21 PM
That's a great post!
I had to create a profile and post after reading some of these. Do people really think her mom is just as entitled to her opintion as anyone else? That becasue a lot of people think that way, it is ok? Seriously? That's delusional at best ,b ut really, it's prejudicial and ridicuous in light of so many out and wonderful gay and lesbian people contributing to the world. GLBT folks really are everywhere and it's getting pretty tired to say that mom is entitled to her opinion. Sure she is, but are we really holding that up as defensible and, therefore, equal to any other opinion? "It's just my opinion" has been used for years by racists, homophobes, sexists, and more. It's sort of like the phrase I've heard many times, "The customer is always right." Really? Are opinions all equally valid? Are political viewpoints born of discrimination, exclusion, and prejudice ones we want to dismiss with a "that's her opinion." Yeah-- tell that to David Duke, or Mel Gibson. Share that gem with Jerry Falwell, and George Bush.
I was raised a Christian and that meant developing a world view based in the power of Christ's love for all people. How dare Jackie's mom play the Mid-west card, and the tyrannical majority card. It may just be your opinion, Jackie's mom, but your opinion says an entire group of people is not as good as you. That your religious belief should become law. You are ridiculous and got off easy. And don't think for a minute that coming up against this kind of discrimination and the resulting dismissal of exclusionary and, yes, hateful, views that are spouted in the name of an opinion, didn;t have a hand in making Mimi somewaht neurotic, cranky, and socially aggressive. Maybe she didn't feel like fighting so hard just to be acknoeledged as someone who brings your badass daughter just a little joy.
elomax
August 1, 2006 - 07:26 PM
I just wanted to tell Jackie . . . to be grateful that her mother is there with her. I know that she does -- I'm just re-enforcing the point. I'm a professional lesbian Ph.D., 47 years old. My mother is a fundamentalist christian. She disowned both myself and my younger brother in 1988, because we were gay. Your Mom is there, she's talking, she's being filmed . . . for you. Oh god, I am SO jealous . . . be thankful for what you have.
Hmm1234
August 1, 2006 - 07:45 PM
Is Mimi slow or is there a language barrier because it seems hard for her to understand simple things which then sometimes causes her to overreact. I loved how Jackie said im going to get my eggs and Mimi replied "Easter Eggs?" ROFLMAO that was funny.
hnyyes2003
August 1, 2006 - 08:53 PM
listen, it's true not everyone is the same or thinks the same, but I think ANYONE who is a mother will love and accept their child NO MATTER WHAT ( I'm not talking murder and such here). I think that Jackies mother is soooo closed minded that she won't even give in not one little bit to what makes her daughter happy, it seems to me right from the git that she was not gonna give Mimi a chance not on your life. And also let me say I am not crazy about Mimi, she is a little overbearing and seem a slight bit self-centered, but I agree with here if you love your child you will try and support them in what they choose their lifestyle to be that makes them happy. All of that being said I am the Mom of a gay daughter, she is now 29 yrs old and she came out to me when she was 16 yrs old, kinda makes me think I musta been doin something right or she certainly would never have felt she could come to me, she must have felt safe that I do love her and I would not abandon her for her sexual orientation, thank God!! Yes Thank you
god, cause I believe we are all his children, straight, gay, colors , whatever. I think Jackies Mom is an unhappy very self rigtheous person, the way she talked it was about her, not Jackie, now age may give you a little bit of knowing things because you have the experience already, but Jackies mom has no right to whine that "I just want you to be happy", bs, then let Jackie live her life, let her choose and make her mistakes, to learn from her experiences, and then be there when and if it doesn't work out . I'll tell ya, there isn't alot of difference in the gay straight thing, I told all of my 4 kids, I am the best friend you have, you can tell me anything, BUT, I don't necessarily need ALL the gorey details of y'alls relationships, I love the show, I think Jackie is a doll and a sharp smart gal, and will be a great success, I however do not think Mimi is the love of her life, but Jackie, you go anyway GIRL!!!!!!!!
tracy727
August 1, 2006 - 09:26 PM
I think overall as a gay woman this was an amazing episode .dealing with her relationship with her mother and wanting children in the future. but i do think it was tasteless and disrespctful to subject her mother to the things she was subjected to at dinner. and what is Jackie doing with Mimi ??? she can do so much better. mimi is inmature, selfish,brash,uncouth and not cute. Jackie is hot and sweet. my type totally. not too feminine and not too masculine. just hot. but i didn't like the set up jackie provided at dinner for her mom. that was not cool. i guess she is trying to force her mom to accept her life when she is not going to. one on one time would have been more beneficial and alot nicer. its obvious her mom is conservative and its obvious her mom has ddep emotional issues with her daughters sexuality so why have a gay themed dinner. thats disrespectul in my opinion. and again why is Jackie with Mimi- makes me think jackie has some other issues to pick mimi as a partner especially given the 11 year age difference. that would mean they stareted dating when mimi was 22 and jackie was 33- hmmm ?? interesting. can you imagine how mimi was at 22. whats refreshing is to see a long term lesbian couple who does not live together. thats great. for some reason i think jackie will end up with someone else long term .
Nexus242
August 1, 2006 - 09:27 PM
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they are microphones. Lots of show use them
I'm so dissapointed with that fact now that I know what they are.
chabbii
August 1, 2006 - 09:56 PM
Love the show, but well ... like everyone I have few comments. Mimi, how can I put this kindly? Well, I do not like her. She seems selfish, overly jealous, and not able to properly understand or keep up with a conversation. During dinner and the gay marriage discussion, she brought up "equal/same rights" and then she complains on how she hates people who always bring up politics when it comes to gay marriage. She was the one who brought up the subject, got defensive before anyone said anything "negative" about it. It gave me the impression that she did it only to upset Jackie's Mom. If Mimi, truly loved Jackie and was not selfish, and well, a bit smart ... she should have known better than to bring up the gay topic because only Jackie's Mom had a different opinion than EVERYONE else at the dinner table. Mimi, did not care about the mom's feelings therefore not caring about Jackie's feeling either. The only people uncomfortable at the table were Jackie and her Mom, and I applaud Jackie for speaking and sticking up for her Mom. Mimi did not bother to think twice before opening her gum smacking mouth, she was only trying to ridicule the Mom. I hope Jackie understands when her Mom says that she does not trust Mimi, and that she tries to look for the true happiness she deserves with someone who is beautiful of heart. Mimi has neither, inner nor outer beauty and lacks personality. Jackie deserves love not an obsessive girl.
workoutqueen
August 1, 2006 - 10:36 PM
I totally agree about the story line with "Tess". THIS is what the show should be about. Personal triumphs and gains and setbacks and HOW the trainers strive to make their clients healthy and top notch and fit and beautiful and accepting of their body, no matter what it looks like!
This is where it's at, Bravo! Do MORE of TESS and other stories like hers. She is an inspiration, and we got very little of her!
NewportSteph
August 1, 2006 - 10:51 PM
Jackie you rock! I love the show….
Mimi is simply eye candy honey, you can do better…. You’re thinking with your testosterone (imaginary [expletive deleted]) and not your heart. I know because I love fem chicks and use to think with my ID before I grew up…. She is out for herself and will never support you fully because it intimidates her. Your Mothers right, don’t trust her…That old saying is so true “behind every great man is a great woman” You need a great woman behind you and Mimi ant it….And what in the hell is a 37 year old doing with a 26 year old besides trying to fulfill your male ego…..
As for your Mom, I had to search my heart and soul for an explanation. She’s jealous and intimidated by you. You’re everything she couldn’t be. When she hugged you goodbye at the airport I could see it, I could see she looks up to you, but it embarrasses her that she does, because she is supposed to be the role model. Mother, knower of all and giver of life…She seems to take that title Mom very seriously, but knows in her heart you can survive without her. Honor her! Give her that respect…. she’s your Mother…. If Mimi had any self respect or respect for you she wouldn’t challenge your Mom… That shows insecurity and self loathing…. Ditch that B----.
All use Lesbo’s and gays are cramming our belief’s down the right wing Christians throats all the time and asking for understanding when we don’t return the favor. I believe too much of anything is an addiction like sex, drugs, alcohol, exercise, love, and religion. You chose exercise and your Mother chose religion. The fact that she visits you, went on camera (for all her church friends to see), and say’s that she will be there if you have a child shows that she is a true Christian. Actions speak loader than words. As she said “I may not agree with what she does, but I love her no matter what”. That’s a good Mom, and I know because my parents had to deal with their only two daughters coming out. All you can do Jackie is be an example. Teach by leading. Be the best you, you can be, and the world will see that… And so will your Mother…
hnyyes2003
August 1, 2006 - 11:04 PM
I agree about Mimi 100%, she is immature and self-centered and the age difference is big, but I guess we can't help who we are attracted to. I think Jackie is Hot, great build, and knows exactly how to dress herself for who she is. I like her look. I felt the uncomfortable feeling from that party, but I really feel that Jackies mom should have just relaxed and had a little more fun with the whole group, because after all she is going to miss out on a huge part of her daughters life if she doesn't learn to make it be about Jackie and not her religious beliefs, I cannot believe she thinks being gay is a choice, Listen I was a single partent of 4 children and one of them happens to be gay, she is not gay because I didn't get to give her as much one on one woman time. I so felt Jackies frustration and pain when she was tryin to explain to her mom that it isn't her fault, it wasn't her mothering or lack of mothering that made her gay. I saw Jackies mom loosen up and really smile only one time and that was when she was tellin Mimi that she might as well give it up cause she wasn't gonna change her view, that was the only time I felt she was being more relaxed. She doen't have to agree or like the fact but I say she should try to be more fun and into what makes her daughter happy as opposed to what SHE believes is RIGHT, life is tooo short folks. I feel I would miss out big time if I didn't accept my daughters gayness, love is unconditional to me. I know just as much about her dates and girlfriends as I do about my hetrosexual childrens, they are all the same in my eyes. I have found that most of my input and advice could apply to either orientation. I hope Jackie finds her one true love, cause we know it aint Mimi,lol!!!
ninti
August 1, 2006 - 11:13 PM
Ok, I am now hooked on this show I think. Thanks Bravo, I really need to watch more TV rather than exercise.
I love all the cast, except maybe Brian, who I find annoying. Rebecca is kind of annoying too, but she is just too damn hot for me to be too pissy about her. Jackie is just about a perfect fit for being the boss, though her and Mimi REALLY need some counseling. Erika is a good second in command, and the rest of them seem competent and entergetic.
But if I were to go there, Zen is the one I would want training me. It's early yet, but she seems to have that quiet confidence that is usually a sign of truly knowing that you are one of the best and that you don't have to prove it, and that calm exterior seems to mask a wickedly funny sense of humor. I would love to see her get more air time, but she isn't as flamboyant as some of the others and probably won't get it. And alas, though I live in L.A., I doubt I could ever afford her services either.
Someone was asking about the necklaces, you can buy them from
http://skysportspa.com/catalog/trainernecklace.htmlLastly, Jackie's mom is a bigot. Plain and simple. She does not deserve respect and she does not deserve sympathy. And she is also just plain wrong, it's been proven that being gay is genetic. Her being a bad mom (and I have no doubt that she was) had nothing to do with it. Frankly, I couldn't watch the dinner party; her spouting her ignorant hate was just too much to bear, and I'm not even gay.
LatinDolphin
August 2, 2006 - 12:09 AM
Can't wait to see when tess loses the pounds. Jackie is so cool and very supportive. Mimi has to go and I can't wait til' Jackie gets the courage to let her behind go. I was in almost similar gay relationship with this guy that tried to control me and all. Until my mom passed-- and he was trying even harder when I said I needed space and that was the last straw for me. I got em out. he turned me off. You can love someone but there are limits and lines you don't cros.. Once a person turns me off--its' over!
I hope Jackie wakes up and smells the coffee.
kittyx
August 2, 2006 - 12:25 AM
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they are microphones. Lots of show use them
I'm so dissapointed with that fact now that I know what they are.
Someone was asking about the necklaces, you can buy them from http://skysportspa.com/catalog/trainernecklace.html
There are necklaces worn by the trainers--these are for sale on the skysport web site-- and there are also microphones, sometimes we see them clipped to a strap or shirt-collar and sometimes worn around the neck. It is often hard to tell which is which.
ItalianBeauty
August 2, 2006 - 12:39 AM
Okay let me just start by saying one thing. I totally agree with most of you who say that you don't trust Mimi. I'm all in favor of that notion. Secondly, I never think that it is a good thing when someone has to pose harm to - i.e. bite you, hit you, etc. - or mentally abuse you to get some pleasure out of the situation. I know that Jackie says that she is happy, and i respect her for that, but i think that maybe she might have made herself think that she is happy because she has been with Mimi so long. I personally think that she could do better. I think that she could find someone who will love her and treat her the way that Jackie should be treated, like the queen that she is, and i think that Mimi knows that, and that is why she gets so jealous of all of the things that Jackie does without her. Not saying that Jackie has it in her to cheat, i don't know the woman personally, but because she is afraid that someone will possibly show her what love really is or show her how a woman is really supposed to be treated ( not like Mimi treats her ) and leave.
As for tonights episode, I think that Mimi was totally out of hand acting the way that she did towards Jackies mother. I don't care who you think you are, disrespect towards ones mother is the worst thing in the world. If i were Jackies g/f i would have respected her mother, and if I were Mimi, i would have taken the time to introduce myself or if it wasn't the first time that I met the woman i would of atleast told her that it was nice to see her again.
I am not saying that I agree with Jackies mother and I am not saying that i disagree with her either. I am a lesbian woman with my own views on life, and i feel that Mimi should have respected Jackies mothers feelings on her beliefs. I don't recall Jackie ever asking her mother anything that was conflicting at that table. And yes i agree with the fact that Jackies mother looks up to her daughter. Her daughter is successful, well-known, and has more then her mother did when she was Jackies age, and you can tell that she really wants to understand, but possibly gets over-welmed when it comes to Jackies lifestyle. Then again maybe its just her motherly way, by saying, no i won't come to your wedding, i don't know, responces maybe that is her way of saying that she doesn't think that Mimi is the right person for her, and then by her mom actually sitting with her and saying that she doesn't trust her, COME ON JACKIE!! But, thats how i feel.
--- and is it just me or does Jackie appologize to Mimi everytime with wine and something romantic?? I know its not just me, I can sit and watch J A C K I E for hours. LMAO. But, even when Mimi instigates, Jackie still appologizes....even when Jackie is right...she still is the one who buys the wine...and appologizes....WHERE IS MIMIS EFFORT IN THIS RELATIONSHIP??? I'll tell you ----> taking!
kittyx
August 2, 2006 - 12:43 AM
I was disturbed by Jackie's mother's rigidity--she was unable to think for herself instead of following the dogma of her church. Her attitude towards gay love and marriage was hardly Christian: where was the love? And where was her compassion? It seemed to me that she was afraid to make up her own mind--the conflict between her connection to Jackie and her dogmatic values was pretty clear. I thought Jackie handled the whole situation with intelligence and grace. She certainly showed compassion for her mother, who was surrounded and outnumbered by folks whose values were very different from hers, even though her mother was utterly closed-minded about Jackie's life-style.
Right after "Work-Out" Bravo had an episode of "Queer Eye" featuring a young transgender man. His parents were loving and willing to accept him as he is--their attitude was great, and they were apparently serious Christians, but with so much more open-mindedness and unconditional love than Jackie's mother. The contrast was very striking since the two shows appeared one after the other.
LatinDolphin
August 2, 2006 - 12:44 AM
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Okay let me just start by saying one thing. I totally agree with most of you who say that you don't trust Mimi. I'm all in favor of that notion. Secondly, I never think that it is a good thing when someone has to pose harm to - i.e. bite you, hit you, etc. - or mentally abuse you to get some pleasure out of the situation. I know that Jackie says that she is happy, and i respect her for that, but i think that maybe she might have made herself think that she is happy because she has been with Mimi so long. I personally think that she could do better. I think that she could find someone who will love her and treat her the way that Jackie should be treated, like the queen that she is, and i think that Mimi knows that, and that is why she gets so jealous of all of the things that Jackie does without her. Not saying that Jackie has it in her to cheat, i don't know the woman personally, but because she is afraid that someone will possibly show her what love really is or show her how a woman is really supposed to be treated ( not like Mimi treats her ) and leave.
As for tonights episode, I think that Mimi was totally out of hand acting the way that she did towards Jackies mother. I don't care who you think you are, disrespect towards ones mother is the worst thing in the world. If i were Jackies g/f i would have respected her mother, and if I were Mimi, i would have taken the time to introduce myself or if it wasn't the first time that I met the woman i would of atleast told her that it was nice to see her again.
I am not saying that I agree with Jackies mother and I am not saying that i disagree with her either. I am a lesbian woman with my own views on life, and i feel that Mimi should have respected Jackies mothers feelings on her beliefs. I don't recall Jackie ever asking her mother anything that was conflicting at that table. And yes i agree with the fact that Jackies mother looks up to her daughter. Her daughter is successful, well-known, and has more then her mother did when she was Jackies age, and you can tell that she really wants to understand, but possibly gets over-welmed when it comes to Jackies lifestyle. Then again maybe its just her motherly way, by saying, no i won't come to your wedding, i don't know, responces maybe that is her way of saying that she doesn't think that Mimi is the right person for her, and then by her mom actually sitting with her and saying that she doesn't trust her, COME ON JACKIE!! But, thats how i feel.
--- and is it just me or does Jackie appologize to Mimi everytime with wine and something romantic?? I know its not just me, I can sit and watch J A C K I E for hours. LMAO. But, even when Mimi instigates, Jackie still appologizes....even when Jackie is right...she still is the one who buys the wine...and appologizes....WHERE IS MIMIS EFFORT IN THIS RELATIONSHIP??? I'll tell you ----> taking!
ItaliansBeauty...I would also respect my boyfriend's mother and I would want him to respect my mother. Mimi did not give Jackie's mother a good impression with all those questions.
LatinDolphin
August 2, 2006 - 12:47 AM
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I was disturbed by Jackie's mother's rigidity--she was unable to think for herself instead of following the dogma of her church. Her attitude towards gay love and marriage was hardly Christian: where was the love? And where was her compassion? It seemed to me that she was afraid to make up her own mind--the conflict between her connection to Jackie and her dogmatic values was pretty clear. I thought Jackie handled the whole situation with intelligence and grace. She certainly showed compassion for her mother, who was surrounded and outnumbered by folks whose values were very different from hers, even though her mother was utterly closed-minded about Jackie's life-style.
Right after "Work-Out" Bravo had an episode of "Queer Eye" featuring a young transgender man. His parents were loving and willing to accept him as he is--their attitude was great, and they were apparently serious Christians, but with so much more open-mindedness and unconditional love than Jackie's mother. The contrast was very striking since the two shows appeared one after the other.
Kitty...you do have a valid point. I am so glad that my mom before she passed supported and loved me regardless of my sexual preference. I can understand how Jackie feels because the last thing in the world you want is to feel neglected by your parents for your preference or identity.
LatinDolphin
August 2, 2006 - 12:48 AM
Work it TESS!!!!
LatinDolphin
August 2, 2006 - 12:50 AM
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I totally agree about the story line with "Tess". THIS is what the show should be about. Personal triumphs and gains and setbacks and HOW the trainers strive to make their clients healthy and top notch and fit and beautiful and accepting of their body, no matter what it looks like!
This is where it's at, Bravo! Do MORE of TESS and other stories like hers. She is an inspiration, and we got very little of her!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
biggeek
August 2, 2006 - 01:58 AM
Jackie's handsome friend for the dinner party...I only wish my Lesbian friends would bring nice looking guys like that around for me.
Frankly, I'm a little mystified at Jesse's reaction "There are five types I can't stand, and he's one of them" unless I misheard it.
ashleigh2
August 2, 2006 - 04:43 AM
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My sister in law was not impressed with the manner in which Jackie's mother was blindsided during the dinner party.
That being said, she would like to know if Jackie and Mimi are still an item. If not, perhaps a trip up north could be in the works.
I agree with your sister in laws accessment.
You can thank Mimi for that. Mini KNEW Jackie's mom was not supportive of her gay lifestyle and yet she had to keep talking about gay issues then gay marriage and finally the question, "Do you think gay people should have the right to marry.".
UGH...what a confrontational little twat.
jmo
NJ_GURL
August 2, 2006 - 04:48 AM
I created a profile just to comment. Jackie = W O W!!! She is soooooo HOT! she is what hooked me on this show!! I am not feeling Mimi either. I don't get the dynamic there - but it's not my life and we only see a fraction of what happens. We must remember that this is a "reality based" show. There are editors who cut and paste to make things more "interesting". I have a feeling we may see Jackie move on from her.
Tess is SUCH an inspiration and makes me wish I could afford Jackie's services - or a trainer at the least. Jackie and Tess are helping me believe that IS possible to get in shape (or back in shape for me).
As for the dinner party - am I the only one who could see how uncomfortable Jackie was? I felt that she came to her Mom's defense and tried to change the subject. Yes, Mimi was disrepectful and started the whole conversation - but the others jumped in as well.
I agree with what the other poster said in respect to the Queer Eye episode on after Workout. What a sharp contrast in support - yet they too were VERY conservative Christians. I thought it was wonderful how they supported thier child. Jackie's Mom seemed like one of these people who are missing something in thier life - but don't know what - and are sucked into these fundameltalist groups.
Hang in there Jackie.
P.S. Rebecca is a hottie too!
ashleigh2
August 2, 2006 - 04:48 AM
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Jackie's handsome friend for the dinner party...I only wish my Lesbian friends would bring nice looking guys like that around for me.
Frankly, I'm a little mystified at Jesse's reaction "There are five types I can't stand, and he's one of them" unless I misheard it.
lol..that is wha Jesse said alright.
That poor dude knew it too.
Too bad, because he seemed so nice.
tloves7
August 2, 2006 - 05:08 AM
I can understand how Mimi could be upset but, she has to respect Jackie and her mother's relationship at the same time. That is something they need to workout. Jackie just ROCKS!!! I read her bio and she is very inspiring!!
ThatGirl9
August 2, 2006 - 05:11 AM
Hello all! I love the show, well actually I only like the show b/c of the star of the show..'J' Beautiful.
Mimi, no disrespect but you are a moron. You have someone so beautiful in your life and you dont even know how to treat her. I would love, respect, and LOVE her some more all the time! Treat her like gold. Jackie baby...I am here if you want true love..trust me on that.
Mimi is cool...but I dont know...something seems off?
suzanneJD2008
August 2, 2006 - 05:19 AM
I completely agree. I think it's so important to have positive lesbian role models on TV, and she's great to have on air!
Meanlissa
August 2, 2006 - 05:21 AM
I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed this episode (and all the others) and I really can see both sides of this argument. I am from the South, also referred to as the "Bible Belt". I am very open minded to the same sex issue .... her mother only wants her to be "normal" but Jackie IS normal. They can still love one another, but unless her mother decides to come to terms with Jackie's choices, and embrace her, they will always be at odds. I am a married woman (to a man) but if my young son (who is only 5) came out later and told me he was gay, I would support him knowing there is NOTHING I can do to change him....that is something that I believe you are born with...the attraction to the same sex I imagine feels the same as my attraction to men. But if I were attracted to women, Mimi would have a run for her money....... I think Jackie is a wonderful woman who would make a wonderful wife and mother some day!
I used to be an instructor, but after having a difficult pregnancy, car wreck (which landed me in a wheel chair for four months) I have gained some weight and have some problems with range of motion....with that said, this show has inspired me to get back to my body and treat it like the temple it is! I sure hope that they do some kind of sweepstakes to meet Jackie and work out with her....I will be the first in line! Thanks everyone for the inspiration!
God bless!
Melissa
MaxxReps
August 2, 2006 - 05:22 AM
I watched last night for the first time. Keeping in mind that the show is mostly for entertainment, I didn't take the "trainer" side of the show too seriously. However, I did pay attention to Jackie and how she deals with the business and her clients. Her staff of trainers are comical. Maybe they are different when the camera is not on and I'm sure the producers are motivating them to "ham it up." I will continue to watch because it does entertain and Jackie has some valuable traits that might help me to help others. Plus, her body is HOT!!!!!!! She's the total package, but her relationship with her girl seems dangerous(she might need to kick her to the curb, permanently).
susanf1957
August 2, 2006 - 05:25 AM
I enjoy watching this show, it is inspirational. Before surgical menopause I was a fit size 8, now my metabolism is v-e-r-y s-l-o-w, most of the time I feel like a slug! Jackie is a great teacher, and I am getting motivated to get back to the gym and get my energy back.
I was glad her Mom showed her love and support (in her fashion, I know, but at least she cares!). My BF's son is gay, he was in a committed relationship for a while, they had the wedding, reception and everything. Unfortunately the relationship did not work out but my BF and I were so happy to be a part of their happiness. So many parents do not support their children and it is so sad, they are missing out on so much. As Jackie said to her Mom, I want you to be a part of my life, I will be sad if you are not. That being said, the dinner party was very awkward!!
tracy727
August 2, 2006 - 05:32 AM
Mimi is soooo not cute. i guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder but physically she is just not cute to me. and her personality and that hat makes her even more unattractive. I'm sure there is much more to this relationship or to mimi then we see but its obvious that she is inmature and selfish. Also jackie's mom said she does not trust her - those are powerful words from a mother. i know jackie's mom is not feeling the whole gay thing but she doesn;t trust mimi and that means something that jackie will probably learn later. as a gay woman i believe in respecting others opinions even if they are different than mine and mimi and the other guest totally disrepected Jackie's mom. Mimi was totally out of line. and i think in some ways Jackie felt a need to subject her mom to this and when it got out of hand she stepped in. why ask your mom at a dinner table full of guest if she would come to your gay wedding ?? that was weird. also i question mimi and jackie's relationship on so many levels. did anyone else find it strange that jackie never really discussed the whole egg issue with mimi. she was like i have an appointment this week and mimi was totally in the dark about it. it seems as though she didn;t even know what egg freezing was. i know its jackie's body but i thought it was strange that she didn't talk to her partner about her issue. also mimi's over the top jealousy and giving jackie a hard time about everything is not only a sign of inmaturity but also a sign of someone that doesn't have real feelings for their partner. she doesn't have real feelings to express so she gets all crazy about nonsense.
sugarplum35
August 2, 2006 - 05:37 AM
Hey everyone....
First time here...love the show but I just don't get what Jackie is doing with Mimi, she went to the doctors with her mum, giving herself the shots, and next week when she goes out of town she has one of the trainers look after her house...... WHAT IS THE POINT OF A GIRLFRIEND that isn't there for you???? Jackie you can do better....please keep your options open.
daralmoraz
August 2, 2006 - 05:43 AM
This is the WORSTE show on Bravo!
Jackie is an unpleasant, arrogant, unlikable, sadist, who enjoys being in power, ordering people around, bullying people, and speaking without any sense of authority what-so-ever. Her scenes doing boxing training are laughable, she doesn't even know how to throw a jab and she is correcting people on their boxing skills? And she is constantly trying to get her male trainers to be submissive to her and to get her female trainers to idolize her. I don't think I need to mention her abusive relationship.
The only likeable characters are the trainers. Rebecca needs her own show. Don't know what she would be doing on it, but she was GREAT on Amazing Race and she is the REAL star on this show. Brian is also fascinating and more time should go to him.
Either way this show should get the axe, I have watched 3 shows too many on this, with a "star" who is thoroughly unlikable, undesirable, and just flat out mean.
I hope Bravo axes this show and creates something new for Rebecca, or maybe the trainers, let them open their own gym, they would do a hell of a better job and it would be far more interesting than what is going on here.
Come On Bravo, you can do better than this!
jaxgirl
August 2, 2006 - 06:44 AM
They are necklaces, Not microphones
You can buy them on her site.
http://www.skysportspa.com/catalog/trainer...ernecklace.html
runwaycritic
August 2, 2006 - 07:01 AM
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Jackie you rock! I love the show….
Mimi is simply eye candy honey, you can do better…. You’re thinking with your testosterone (imaginary [expletive deleted]) and not your heart. I know because I love fem chicks and use to think with my ID before I grew up…. She is out for herself and will never support you fully because it intimidates her. Your Mothers right, don’t trust her…That old saying is so true “behind every great man is a great woman” You need a great woman behind you and Mimi ant it….And what in the hell is a 37 year old doing with a 26 year old besides trying to fulfill your male ego…..
As for your Mom, I had to search my heart and soul for an explanation. She’s jealous and intimidated by you. You’re everything she couldn’t be. When she hugged you goodbye at the airport I could see it, I could see she looks up to you, but it embarrasses her that she does, because she is supposed to be the role model. Mother, knower of all and giver of life…She seems to take that title Mom very seriously, but knows in her heart you can survive without her. Honor her! Give her that respect…. she’s your Mother…. If Mimi had any self respect or respect for you she wouldn’t challenge your Mom… That shows insecurity and self loathing…. Ditch that B----.
All use Lesbo’s and gays are cramming our belief’s down the right wing Christians throats all the time and asking for understanding when we don’t return the favor. I believe too much of anything is an addiction like sex, drugs, alcohol, exercise, love, and religion. You chose exercise and your Mother chose religion. The fact that she visits you, went on camera (for all her church friends to see), and say’s that she will be there if you have a child shows that she is a true Christian. Actions speak loader than words. As she said “I may not agree with what she does, but I love her no matter what”. That’s a good Mom, and I know because my parents had to deal with their only two daughters coming out. All you can do Jackie is be an example. Teach by leading. Be the best you, you can be, and the world will see that… And so will your Mother…
What an incredibly insightful and intelligent post. And this compliment comes to you from a right wing conservative Christian mother! Granted, I have gay childhood friends and family members who visit frequently and stay in our home so I guess I'm not exactly how the media portrays my sort either.
I am incredibly impressed with this show, against my will in fact. Another reality show? Forget it. But this one is really good. Jackie is so focused, fair and kind that it's difficult for me to understand how she has tolerated the petulant and mercurial Mimi -- who seems to have the emotional maturity of a toddler. Jackie, don't bring ANOTHER child into this relationship honey, you've got your hands full already.
cam7
August 2, 2006 - 07:18 AM
I just love this show. The episodes keep getting better and better every week. It is truly like how life is. You have loved ones that you love and respect but may not agree with your lifestyle and I think that is awesome that Jackie is willing to show her feelings and emotions and stay honest despite how her mother feels. I love the trainers too. I also love the inspiring stories and personal training on this show. Keep up the good work!
whammy
August 2, 2006 - 07:33 AM
I truly enjoy this show too. Everytime I watch I want to get off my rear and work out!! I love Jackie training Tess? I think I got that name right. I haven't warmed up to Mimi yet. She's a tad immature for my tastes. However, it's nice to see a more "normal" gay couple on TV. I even got my husband into the show. They are showing what real life is like with a gay couple and that it is nothing flamboyant or "out there." My gay friends are thrilled. PS How do you start a new thread? I tried to hit "post" and it wouldn't let me.
whammy
August 2, 2006 - 07:37 AM
I totally agree with you. I thought Jackie's mother was narrow minded, but she was trying. People's religious beliefs are hard to overcome. It's sad to put God in such a "box." With that said, I thought Jackie should have put the kabash on everybody ganging up on her mom. They want to be accepted for who they are, they should have put forth a little better example.
I love the show though. I want to stuff a sock in Mimi's mouth sometimes, LOL, but the show makes me want to work out and take better care of myself. Can't say that about too many shows....
Take care.