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August 3, 2006 - 09:15 PM
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Okay. You don't get what people are telling you. How about f**k off? Goodbye and good riddance.
(((( dcjewbear!!! ))) Dee did not deserve that. Everybody step back three feet right now and act like Laura in the last challenge (SILENCE). Then, go back to the epi 301 board, page 1, and reread "Da Rules." Drink some serious punch and c'mon back more mellow.
Yer seriously pissing me off, here.
I think she did deserve it for being a general bad sport and ignoring people's pleas for her silence on a subject that was over a week ago.
You're awfully forgiving for a person who just got called a nazi. I can't do that. It's not in me. My paternal grandparents went up the chimney. I don't work that way as a result.
And it's better to be pissed off than pissed on. I will quit addressing her now, though, for the sake of a certain peace.
dcjewbear
August 3, 2006 - 09:24 PM
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Dee, my dog (a rescue) has asked that you, please, back off a bit. He has just received an obscene call.
ROTFLMAO. Come to think of it my Lab is avoiding the phone as well.
swiss74
August 3, 2006 - 09:46 PM
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Let me throw this thought out in the universal realm. Is it just me or does anyone else feel we are viewing another potential Vincent in the making when Bradley is under stress?
Hmmm..... Some of his remarks during the last challenge give one wonder. Vincent seems like he IS still stradling the line between normality and a big brained blow out! The term "mad as a hatter" comes to mind. Viewing his fashions is like stepping back into a 70's time warp, let's not go there again. Whatever were they thinking when they "passed" hm to the next level! Just remember Bradley could be the next blow out!
I tend to agree with you that Vincent's designs are kind of dated.
NOW I have a question for everyone, did anyone think as I did that Nina Garcia went a little overboard as did Heidi in the discussion of the designs?
I have watched with interest in the clothes the regular judges have been wearing and for people who are supposed to be fashion savy the only two I have seen that really look presentable (but they are not regulars ) were Ivanka Trump and Tara Connor. The rest need to look at how they are dressed. Elle magazine's fashion whatever makes you want to never pick up the magazine, she looks like a fashion train drop out. Heidi needs to lengthen her hems somewhat in my opinion. Tim Gunn looks impectible in his choice of clothes. I hope that the producers will ask the regular judges to sharpen up their image. This is a fashion program is it not? Right now the designers are looking better than the judges and they are working their hearts out.
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August 3, 2006 - 10:01 PM
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I think it's a shame that Macy's is changing the name of Field's. Fields had so much more class than Macy's. Oh well.....homogenization for homogenous fashion
As a former Chicagoan and devotee of Field's, I will never forgive Macy's. Yes. Irrational, silly and I'll cry if I want to.
~GofH
We Washingtonians feel the same way about Hecht's. Hecht's was the first store I had an adult job in and the first store to give me credit card. I'll miss it.
LaGabberGirl
August 3, 2006 - 10:03 PM
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You ask, "HOW DID Angela win"? Well, she was the leader of the project, had the design concept, and executed rather well. It was also the only beautiful thing on the runway in my opinion and also the only one that would fit the INC's customer appeal. Don't worry though, it's not likely she will win or make that much farther but it was nice to see her zeal in this challenge and also her fulfillment in winning something to be sold at a major retailer.
I forget, but did someone compare Angela to Wendy of PR1 before? B/c didn't Wendy also win the Banana Republic Store challenge? I think they have the same thing in common where they both are their own muses but their style is all over the place.
Also, I just got my MACYS email about her winning outfit AND this Tshirt w/her 'winning sketch'. I QUOTE:"..check out our new INC tee, inspired by the show with an ORIGNINAL SKETCH BY ANGELA KESLAR. "
Um, I thought she said she doesn't sketch! The sketch is descent so I know she didn't do that herself.
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August 3, 2006 - 10:10 PM
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As to Angela's/Michael's/Laura's:not bad but when was the last time anyone sported a bolero jacket outside of a Bullfight(sorry,Dee,Bulls goy it worse than dog 'accessories')?Still,it was a nice collaboration.
Omg, the 'crop ' style jacket, sweater, or wrap whatever is ALL over Los Angeles and I can't stand it! When is it going to go away!??
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August 3, 2006 - 10:45 PM
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I tend to agree with you that Vincent's designs are kind of dated.
NOW I have a question for everyone, did anyone think as I did that Nina Garcia went a little overboard as did Heidi in the discussion of the designs?
I have watched with interest in the clothes the regular judges have been wearing and for people who are supposed to be fashion savy the only two I have seen that really look presentable (but they are not regulars ) were Ivanka Trump and Tara Connor. The rest need to look at how they are dressed. Elle magazine's fashion whatever makes you want to never pick up the magazine, she looks like a fashion train drop out. Heidi needs to lengthen her hems somewhat in my opinion. Tim Gunn looks impectible in his choice of clothes. I hope that the producers will ask the regular judges to sharpen up their image. This is a fashion program is it not? Right now the designers are looking better than the judges and they are working their hearts out.
I am glad that this was brought up. I find amusing that those people are supposed to judge garments from construction, fitting, fashion trends, etc., and they choice of the clothes they wear looks really off. Just because Heidi is supposed to be a supermodel(????) does not mean that anything will look great on her, the outfit she was wearing on 3-4 looked terrible; I wonder what kind of reviews it would have gotten if it had been created by one of the PR designers.
I think Angela was very clever picking Mike and Laura as her team partners; do you remember how he wanted to team up with the winner of 2nd challenge? It is interesting that she mentioned before that she did not know how to sketch and when we are offered a glimpse of other people's concepts, we realized that she was absolutely right at all. Since we see an extremely edited version of what takes place, it is difficult to assess how much of her win can be attributed to her partners (which by the way have already shown the kind of work they are capable of doing). My inclination is to think that Angela's creation would have been on the bottom 4 if this challenge had been an individual project.
I was surprised by Vince attitude when he was asked about his team creation and he seem to be very supportive of the leader even though he expressed his doubts during the garment construction process. I wonder if it was an authentic sign of camaraderie or if it was just plain strategy, knowing that he may need Robert's support/help in the future.
notevayas
August 3, 2006 - 11:00 PM
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Keith broke several rules not just one. And clearly the books WERE NOT minor to the other designers. I think you're offbase on that. The shoes were minor as accessories compared to this. It seems this was explicitly listed as a rule and the penalty was also explicitly given. If they had done anything less, their rules wouldn't be worth squat and it would have comprised the show and the competition. Tim clearly states this.
I agree with much of what you are saying lizakaz. What I do not agree with are posts that imply that those who disagree with how the situation was handled condone misdeeds.
All I am saying is that Runway went for the cheap drama unsuccessfully (it was a letdown). The show was depressing.
And I have been speedreading all of the posts..until page 116 I think, as I have been busy today.
Now I can be a night owl and hooooooooooot, hoooooooooot, whoooooooot!
notevayas
Tazzy
August 3, 2006 - 11:00 PM
Well I've watched all the seasons, and this one seems to be jumping the shark for me. How so? Because there seems to be less excitement, now we have a designer who broke rules (although not as bad as Kara Saun in my opinion)...what's next? Tim Gunn as a model? Perhaps because I've watched all the seasons I'm just over the show. Keith was really talented, and it's too bad he had to go, but it must be for the best. Tim said in his podcast that the patternmaking book was a mens'wear one, and that is interesting. Even more interesting and no one seems to have mentioned it yet (unless I missed something during my late night bleary eyed perusings of the boards) is the possible USE of something else during this show...Keith always looked so TIRED sometimes, note his eyelids drooping! Perhaps the guy was just BURNT and wanted to go home. He's got talent.
Changing the subject, wouldn't it be nice if the winners actually DID something with their win as planned? Jay has yet to show (correct me someone?) and did NOT accept he PR money, and Chloe stayed in Houston in her same dress shop and is just charging more. Daniel V's orchid blouse is what made him on Season 2 but his final collection was flat; the winner in my book was Mr. Santino Rice, arrogance and all. His collection (esp. the 13th outfit!) was fabulous. Come on designers, if you're thinking of going for the Runway, make the most of it!!!
Hi Scott!
queerteacher
August 3, 2006 - 11:22 PM
Just a note to Keith. I thought you were very sexy. Especially the last show.
Hope to see you on the cover of some gay magazines (or maybe even a centerfold!).
brillke
August 4, 2006 - 12:05 AM
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BRAVO GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND APOLIGIZE FOR YOUR MISTAKE. IT'S THAT EASY. TRUST ME.
REMEMBER, DOGS ARE NOT ACCESSORIES!
Dee
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My little fashion accessory, sitting demurely next to my keyboard and delicately licking her little canine paws, sniffs in elegant disgust at your screaming and inconsiderateness for others. She likes being a fashion accessory and is delighted when fashionistas fawn all over her.
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Think i will get a dog this weekend and name it "accessory".
This has gone beyond annoying. This nutjob has hijacked the board. OT is commom but not so much right after a new episode. Bravo needs to ban this psycho. Every other post from Dee is the same BS as her 20 previous post. You have no right to demand an apology. Shut the hell up already.
brillke
brillke
August 4, 2006 - 12:11 AM
"Mel: <Sigh> Unfortunately, there are no more PM's allowed.
That is why you're so busy talking about Fields vs. Macy's?
Yes, I do agree with Dee's thinking, but don't worry...."carry on"...We can listen to you, and Dee and I can talk about canines. We will "Make It Work." "
But this is on topic. Macys is a sponser of PR.
EllieMicelli
August 4, 2006 - 12:20 AM
Now that I've seen the exit video (Keith's), I totally agree -- and stand corrected. It all happened together.
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August 4, 2006 - 12:50 AM
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Angela claims those are her signature design. My daughter was making them little things when she was in girl scouts and she is 24yrs old now.
I've been waiting for someone to bring this up because when I was kid (born in Ohio and transplated to Michigan, that is to say Midwestern) a very popular bazaar, state fair, 4H, church sales crafts were this same or very similar type of rosette made into dolls, quilts, tablecloths and so on. I learned to make them probably at about age 10 and I believe it is called Yo-Yo quiting and dates back to the 1920's and it would seem the craft endures. If you goggle the terms Yo-Yo quilting and history you'll see.
This is all true... I think the "signature" part is that she adds them to her designs all the time.... They were cute last week, but, I think unless they are intrinsicly used from now on, they'lll continue to be a big joke.
FoodFanOne
August 4, 2006 - 12:59 AM
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BRAVO GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND APOLIGIZE FOR YOUR MISTAKE. IT'S THAT EASY. TRUST ME.
REMEMBER, DOGS ARE NOT ACCESSORIES!
Dee
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My little fashion accessory, sitting demurely next to my keyboard and delicately licking her little canine paws, sniffs in elegant disgust at your screaming and inconsiderateness for others. She likes being a fashion accessory and is delighted when fashionistas fawn all over her.
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Think i will get a dog this weekend and name it "accessory".
This has gone beyond annoying. This nutjob has hijacked the board. OT is commom but not so much right after a new episode. Bravo needs to ban this psycho. Every other post from Dee is the same BS as her 20 previous post. You have no right to demand an apology. Shut the hell up already.
brillke
I disagree in part. She has every right to demand an apology -- it's a free country. However, this is not the appropriate place to do it. She's been hijacking the board with off-topic material and aggressively refusing to either designate it as off-topic or to heed those who have had entirely enough of it. I'm really quite stunned at how inconsiderate and "tone-deaf" she is. It seems she needs to vent her frustration in public, rather than just engage in a private letter-writing campaign to Bravo. But it isn't fair to those of us who would just like to discuss Episode 304 and enjoy each other's company.
And yes, in response to your earlier post, I am ticked off that she called me a Nazi. However, I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because we all have our cranky moments. Of course, that was before I, too, concluded that she was a bit of a nut job. I wish she'd just stop it, already.
FoodFanOne
August 4, 2006 - 01:01 AM
On a lighter note, go to the Bravo main page, lower left-hand columns, and see the finalists in the Bravo blogging contest. I am pleased to report that I am one of the finalists! (But I'm not going to tell you which one is mine.) So, go read 'em all and vote for your favorite.
FoodFanOne
August 4, 2006 - 01:13 AM
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. . . wouldn't it be nice if the winners actually DID something with their win as planned? Jay has yet to show (correct me someone?) and did NOT accept he PR money, and Chloe stayed in Houston in her same dress shop and is just charging more. Daniel V's orchid blouse is what made him on Season 2 but his final collection was flat; the winner in my book was Mr. Santino Rice, arrogance and all. His collection (esp. the 13th outfit!) was fabulous. Come on designers, if you're thinking of going for the Runway, make the most of it!!!
These aren't established professionals like Vera Wang or Michael Kors. These are folks without their own nationally-recognized lines, and it just takes time to ramp up and learn the business end of the profession. Jay will be showing his collection at Fashion Week this fall. Chloe strikes me as conservative, and it could take her a good five years to build up to a nationwide presence. I'm sure that it is frustrating for Bravo not to see (and be able to tout) some early successes, but these winners are smart to take their time and do it right. In the meantime, Bravo continues to show them as part of the "Bravo family," which no doubt supports their efforts to make it big the right way. And it keeps us loving them, too.
Santino Rice, our favorite villain/comedian, is also being featured as a part of the Bravo family (much to my personal delight) and appears to be doing quite well. I'm delighted to be able to follow this cast of characters as they continue to progress after the show.
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August 4, 2006 - 03:07 AM
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BRAVO GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND APOLIGIZE FOR YOUR MISTAKE. IT'S THAT EASY. TRUST ME.
REMEMBER, DOGS ARE NOT ACCESSORIES!
Dee
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My little fashion accessory, sitting demurely next to my keyboard and delicately licking her little canine paws, sniffs in elegant disgust at your screaming and inconsiderateness for others. She likes being a fashion accessory and is delighted when fashionistas fawn all over her.
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Think i will get a dog this weekend and name it "accessory".
This has gone beyond annoying. This nutjob has hijacked the board. OT is commom but not so much right after a new episode. Bravo needs to ban this psycho. Every other post from Dee is the same BS as her 20 previous post. You have no right to demand an apology. Shut the hell up already.
brillke
I disagree in part. She has every right to demand an apology -- it's a free country. However, this is not the appropriate place to do it. She's been hijacking the board with off-topic material and aggressively refusing to either designate it as off-topic or to heed those who have had entirely enough of it. I'm really quite stunned at how inconsiderate and "tone-deaf" she is. It seems she needs to vent her frustration in public, rather than just engage in a private letter-writing campaign to Bravo. But it isn't fair to those of us who would just like to discuss Episode 304 and enjoy each other's company.
And yes, in response to your earlier post, I am ticked off that she called me a Nazi. However, I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because we all have our cranky moments. Of course, that was before I, too, concluded that she was a bit of a nut job. I wish she'd just stop it, already.
While I agree it is a free country I dont feel she has a right to demand anything other then her constitutional rights. If she had asked for an apology, different story, but demanding one is a bit extreme.
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brillke
August 4, 2006 - 03:09 AM
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On a lighter note, go to the Bravo main page, lower left-hand columns, and see the finalists in the Bravo blogging contest. I am pleased to report that I am one of the finalists! (But I'm not going to tell you which one is mine.) So, go read 'em all and vote for your favorite.
Wow, wtg FF1. I will be reading and voting today. Thats just too cool, very pleased for you.
brillke
JacksonReid
August 4, 2006 - 04:09 AM
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I thought maybe it was a microphone
Yes, it was his microphone.
Raymondo
August 4, 2006 - 04:33 AM
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On a lighter note, go to the Bravo main page, lower left-hand columns, and see the finalists in the Bravo blogging contest. I am pleased to report that I am one of the finalists! (But I'm not going to tell you which one is mine.) So, go read 'em all and vote for your favorite.
Am I surprised by this?Not at all.Here's rooting for my new favorite blogger!
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August 4, 2006 - 04:40 AM
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yeah, I am disappointed in Kayne, he is less adorable to me now
You know what? Me too. I'm kinda sad that this was the reason and how he was ratted out. Meh.
Please don't shoot the messenger! There were three of them in the discussion about turning Keith in to the producers and Kayne was representing the group.
As one of them said, the rules were explicit and meant to make an even playing field. Cheaters should expect to pay the price for their dishonesty sooner or later.
I find that it was both brave and correct of Kayne to have reported Keith's attempt to sidestep the rules. Please don't react as though Kayne were a rape victim!
I really thought about this before commenting. I have to say I totally agree with you. One thing that so many comments are overlooking. Kayne did not jump up as soon as he saw these books. He had seen these books and was obviously upset by it. He asked Vincents opinion, and you could tell he was very troubled over what to do. He talked to Robert and Micheal. It was basically out of Kaynes' hands anyway by
that point. What would all of you with the "never snitch" mentallity have done? Waited until you lost a challenge and then said "Well I would still be in if Keith didn't have those pattern books"...
The concept of "snitching" was invented and used by every bully I ever met. This is a competition. Cheating is an invalid advantage. Kayne did what he HAD to do. Keith didn't do what he should have done and he was well aware of it.
Thinking of that "rape" comment-Keith reminds me of the guy that keeps trying to go too far-and when the women puts her foot down-just says those famous words..."can't blame a guy for trying." Keiths philosophy is try to break the rules and get away with it. He was way too non chalant about the whole thing to have not known what he was doing was wrong. The only thing that bothered him was that after he was booted-he didn't want to have to listened to the other designers vent their anger over it.
What quilty person does.
You go Kayne!!!
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August 4, 2006 - 04:48 AM
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yeah, I am disappointed in Kayne, he is less adorable to me now
You know what? Me too. I'm kinda sad that this was the reason and how he was ratted out. Meh.
Please don't shoot the messenger! There were three of them in the discussion about turning Keith in to the producers and Kayne was representing the group.
As one of them said, the rules were explicit and meant to make an even playing field. Cheaters should expect to pay the price for their dishonesty sooner or later.
I find that it was both brave and correct of Kayne to have reported Keith's attempt to sidestep the rules. Please don't react as though Kayne were a rape victim!
I really thought about this before commenting. I have to say I totally agree with you. One thing that so many comments are overlooking. Kayne did not jump up as soon as he saw these books. He had seen these books and was obviously upset by it. He asked Vincents opinion, and you could tell he was very troubled over what to do. He talked to Robert and Micheal. It was basically out of Kaynes' hands anyway by
that point. What would all of you with the "never snitch" mentallity have done? Waited until you lost a challenge and then said "Well I would still be in if Keith didn't have those pattern books"...
The concept of "snitching" was invented and used by every bully I ever met. This is a competition. Cheating is an invalid advantage. Kayne did what he HAD to do. Keith didn't do what he should have done and he was well aware of it.
Thinking of that "rape" comment-Keith reminds me of the guy that keeps trying to go too far-and when the women puts her foot down-just says those famous words..."can't blame a guy for trying." Keiths philosophy is try to break the rules and get away with it. He was way too non chalant about the whole thing to have not known what he was doing was wrong. The only thing that bothered him was that after he was booted-he didn't want to have to listened to the other designers vent their anger over it.
What quilty person does.
You go Kayne!!!
I tire of those going on about the nobility of Sir Kayne.While some may say 'he did the right thing',I have to say....It's a Reality Show,kids.If you were in his place,u would leap into camera range,tell someone so u could be percieved a certain way.Drama,please see Kayne's video entry.The object is to win.And to look good in a pageant gown.And to get that money.Not saying he might not have 'stepped up to the plate'(much earlier post,although Kayne and baseball dont seem a match) but are we so sure his intentions were noble?We see what is presented.It's called editing,from a perspective. Still,the right thing was done,but it was certainly milked for effect.Also,u might wanna listen to Tim's take. Keith had many issues and was,rightfully,taken to task.
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August 4, 2006 - 04:54 AM
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So, you're saying dogs aren't fashion accessories, but they are clothes?!? Dee, for shame! I'm shocked you'd say that!
I just want to say I wish I had caught this thread while it was "live". I am just wondering where Dee was all week when the episode originally aired. Maybe she watched last weeks show-which airs right before the new one in my cable market, anyway. And thought she was commenting on the "new challenge"/ Reminds me of Gilda Radner character- where she is always mad about something she has heard and it is always the wrong word that she is upset about.
"Why is everyone so upset about violins on TV? Why I love violins..." I know I am old.
Anyway-have to say that if Keith had not skinned his dog to make his jacket he would still be on the show...wait...huh? Oh never mind.
gwenlili
August 4, 2006 - 04:57 AM
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My first thought was I need to get the house clean and make a fabulous meal.
Then I opened it and they wanted me to buy a bobble head doll that does not look like Tim.
Comment on this post. First I laughed. Then I boo hooed. Tim-Wheres Andre? s bobblehead?
gwenlili
August 4, 2006 - 05:05 AM
Didn't Fields use to be Marshall Fields? Macys' also owns Bambergers and locally (Midwest) they recently bought up Daytons (I believe). Now there is a Marshalls'. Are they related? I know Target was a discount Daytons when they first opened. I also know that I have seen the same exact shirt in a high end Anchor store at the mall that I also saw-with the same label (exact same everything) at a mass produce discount store for 1/3 the price. These were not seconds or anything. So-what is my point?
That if I see something that I love I don't care if the store is named Sloppy Seconds, I will buy it and wear it with pride. Only it can't be flammable-or made by children.
My favorite stores are the ones people have in their garages or on their lawn. What is the name of those again? Oh yeah-Rummage Sale. I hope they don't change the name of that one. I love Rummage Sales. I shop there all the time. lol
brillke
August 4, 2006 - 05:07 AM
"I tire of those going on about the nobility of Sir Kayne.While some may say 'he did the right thing',I have to say....It's a Reality Show,kids.If you were in his place,u would leap into camera range,tell someone so u could be percieved a certain way.Drama,please see Kayne's video entry.The object is to win.And to look good in a pageant gown.And to get that money.Not saying he might not have 'stepped up to the plate'(much earlier post,although Kayne and baseball dont seem a match) but are we so sure his intentions were noble?We see what is presented.It's called editing,from a perspective. Still,the right thing was done,but it was certainly milked for effect.Also,u might wanna listen to Tim's take. Keith had many issues and was,rightfully,taken to task. "
Going to have to agree to disagree with you and a few others on this one Raymondo. Not sure if the word nobel is the right word or not but was the absolute right thing to do. Keith signed a legal document. If Bravo had stipulated that no socks were to be worn by designers or they would get booted, then no socks are to be worn by designers. No matter how stupid, boring or whatever we think of the rules, they are the rules. It wasnt said Keith used the pattern books but the mere possesion of them was a huge no-no. Top it off with Keiths other infractions and there is no way he could stay. Sure, Bravo milked it for effect but Kayne was doing the right thing. He had no control over how Bravo edited it. He had no idea it would be played the way it was. He didnt do it for any other reason then it was the right thing to do. They were all there to try and win a contest and if one person breaks the rules it isnt a fair contest.
BTW, I know many of the things I talked about you didnt say. I just had read your post along with many with similar comments and decided to lump them all together.
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WHO STARTED THIS WHACK JOB UP AGAIN???????
AND ONE BIG BRAVO TO YOU TOO HONEY.
Oh my God....this one probably wanders around the house at night in a nightgown with a Vodka Gimlet in one hand and an empty leash in the other mumbling and crying about "the murder of the innocents"
LMAO!!= But the Vodka bottle is marked-no animals were harmed in the drinking-I mean making of this vodka.hic.
brillke
August 4, 2006 - 05:11 AM
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Hey FF1, just wondering, are you not allowed to tell which blog entry is yours or are you just incredibly honest? Guess you could be both but you get what I mean, lol. I have my guess which is yours,
brillke
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August 4, 2006 - 05:15 AM
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How can someone modernize or improve upon Audrey? She was perfect in every way...
Courtney Love, maybe. But Audrey Hepburn, no way.
Full tilt boogie. I know I'll cry.
I think I know who it will be...CHER!! No wait...Kathy Lee Gifford!!
Raymondo
August 4, 2006 - 05:18 AM
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Going to have to agree to disagree with you and a few others on this one Raymondo. Not sure if the word nobel is the right word or not but was the absolute right thing to do. Keith signed a legal document. If Bravo had stipulated that no socks were to be worn by designers or they would get booted, then no socks are to be worn by designers. No matter how stupid, boring or whatever we think of the rules, they are the rules. It wasnt said Keith used the pattern books but the mere possesion of them was a huge no-no. Top it off with Keiths other infractions and there is no way he could stay. Sure, Bravo milked it for effect but Kayne was doing the right thing. He had no control over how Bravo edited it. He had no idea it would be played the way it was. He didnt do it for any other reason then it was the right thing to do. They were all there to try and win a contest and if one person breaks the rules it isnt a fair contest.
BTW, I know many of the things I talked about you didnt say. I just had read your post along with many with similar comments and decided to lump them all together.
brillke
My contract clearly stipulates I never get lumped in with the others.LOL. And the thing is,I never like snitches.It's just me.And I could be being stubborn.And somehow,I think the director ,and producers already knew about the infractions.But when you watch the show again,ask yourself this...Why are Kayne and Vincent 'whispering' when they know the camera is 5 ft away?Re-enactment? It's a lil contrite to assume there wasnt some planning.....I stand by my view that it's a lil forced.And Kayne admonishing Kieth in front of the others left me with that 'see,Mama,I'm the right one here'.It was unnecessary and frankly,I cant help but think a bit self-serving.Still,it makes for interesting debate,doesnt it?Still adore ya,though.It's OK to disagree,too,as I disagreed with the winning outfit,for once I liked something Jeffrey did.
gwenlili
August 4, 2006 - 05:23 AM
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BRAVO GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND APOLIGIZE FOR YOUR MISTAKE. IT'S THAT EASY. TRUST ME.
REMEMBER, DOGS ARE NOT ACCESSORIES!
Dee
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My little fashion accessory, sitting demurely next to my keyboard and delicately licking her little canine paws, sniffs in elegant disgust at your screaming and inconsiderateness for others. She likes being a fashion accessory and is delighted when fashionistas fawn all over her.
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Think i will get a dog this weekend and name it "accessory".
This has gone beyond annoying. This nutjob has hijacked the board. OT is commom but not so much right after a new episode. Bravo needs to ban this psycho. Every other post from Dee is the same BS as her 20 previous post. You have no right to demand an apology. Shut the hell up already.
brillke
I have just jumped through the last 100 pages and would like to ask that Dee ever be allowed to post about dogs again. PLEASE? I mean a comment is just that. ONE comment. We got your opinion OK? We got it. Dogs - not accessories - OKKay!!! We understand what you are saying....now STOP! SIT! SHUT UP! Good Girl..
babsjean
August 4, 2006 - 05:25 AM
Since I can't find an off topic thread and my new post button doesn't work I will have to reply to a random message to make my post.
I saw Raymundo Baltazar from last season on the Janice Dickonson modeling agency show. He was a stylist on a photo shoot they were doing. Glad to see he's still working in the industry.
cantsew
August 4, 2006 - 05:34 AM
If we all agree to stop responding to the dog poster, it will go away!! Die out!! Be gone! Just ignore it!! Scroll on!
And a GREAT BIG BRAVO TO YOU AS WELL.
Dee
PS: Dogs are NOT fashion accessories.
OFF TOPIC Well, you initially had my sympathies, but you've certainly managed to piss that all away with your rude aind inconsiderate behavior on this board. You seem bound and determined to have your selfish say repeatedly. I'd be surprised if anybody actually cares about your message now, considering the way you've treated others on this board.
Suggest you go find another venue where you can go PMS freely. You're worn out your welcome here in record time. While I wouldn't exactly have put it so indelicately, dcjewbear was right. Oh, yeah, AND A GREAT BIG BRAVO TO ME TOO.
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Dogs are NOT fashion accessories.
Dee
PS: ONE SUPERSIZED BRAVO TO YOU.
gwenlili
August 4, 2006 - 05:34 AM
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Any idea what will happen to Keith's model? It would be a shame if she was eliminated just because he chose not to follow the rules. Definitely would be great to see Malan back for another shot at the show.
I think they will do the same thing they did on this epi. Have everyone choice a model, except there will be 2 out instead of 1.
An aside...I felt bad for Allisons' model that was auffed this week. Allison totally destroyed her hair so badly that she was out on the runway with it still in that poodle puff. No wonder she didn't get picked. Now that is a bad hair day!
Rosebud66
August 4, 2006 - 05:39 AM
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http://www.justjared.com/gossip/2006/08/an...recap/index.php
Here's a preview for next week's challenge! Each of the models choose a fashion icon for their designers to modernize and this is how everybody matched up (designer / fashion icon / model):
Angela / Audrey Hepburn / Clarissa
Michael / Pam Grier / Nazri
Robert / Jackie O / Danielle
Jeffrey / Madonna / Marilinda
Kayne / Marilyn Monroe / Amanda
Uli / Diana Ross / Lindsay
Vincent / Twiggy / Jia
Alison / Farrah Fawcett / Alexandra
Laura / Cher / Katie
Bradley / Katharine Hepburn / Camilla
When I saw this I screamed..............
What are Angela and Bradley doing with my two idols.
What on earth will Laura do with Cher
Kudos to Nazri for grabbing Pam Grier for Michael.
gwenlili
August 4, 2006 - 05:56 AM
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http://www.justjared.com/gossip/2006/08/an...recap/index.php
Here's a preview for next week's challenge! Each of the models choose a fashion icon for their designers to modernize and this is how everybody matched up (designer / fashion icon / model):
Angela / Audrey Hepburn / Clarissa
Michael / Pam Grier / Nazri
Robert / Jackie O / Danielle
Jeffrey / Madonna / Marilinda
Kayne / Marilyn Monroe / Amanda
Uli / Diana Ross / Lindsay
Vincent / Twiggy / Jia
Alison / Farrah Fawcett / Alexandra
Laura / Cher / Katie
Bradley / Katharine Hepburn / Camilla
When I saw this I screamed..............
What are Angela and Bradley doing with my two idols.
What on earth will Laura do with Cher
Kudos to Nazri for grabbing Pam Grier for Michael.
Isn't this a spoiler? Why is this posted without a warning?? Not you Rosebud- i see you are quoting. But I didn't want to know this yet.
And Raymondo- I hope we can disagree and still be friends?
I do totally agree with the Kayne/baseball just not going there. I also grew up with the snitches suck mentality. I think that when I had children my attitude started to change a little more all the time. I tell my children "I don't want to know unless you or someone else is being hurt by what this other child is doing."
I realize that this is the way it should be. Is someone being hurt by what is being done? If so - someone with authority to stop this action needs to know. IMVHO.
Also - I didn't see where Kayne was the one who actually "told". Did I miss something? Maybe they all went. In any event-I know it is hard to agree that snitching is OK-but if I had it in mind that I might lose because of what Keith did-I think I would have had to say something about it also.
The thing that bothers me is that what is done is done. What about the three designers that may still have been on the show - or lasted longer - or whatever if Keith had not had this advantage? I am assuming that he did look at the books. So-should they be allowed back automatically next year? Actually that should be 4 designers-as Bonnie may have been in had Keith not become team leader for his design, etc...
gwenlili
August 4, 2006 - 05:59 AM
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Since I can't find an off topic thread and my new post button doesn't work I will have to reply to a random message to make my post.
I saw Raymundo Baltazar from last season on the Janice Dickonson modeling agency show. He was a stylist on a photo shoot they were doing. Glad to see he's still working in the industry.
Good for Raymundo. BTW- My comment page works the same way yours does. I don't know why. Someone mentioned being able to read as many pages at a time as you want by going into your home page. I can't do that either. OH well...
Auf_Wiedersehen
August 4, 2006 - 06:03 AM
Honestly, I think Wendy Pepper (as haphazard as her work can get) is just a bit more refined than Angela. Someone here went to school with Angela and said she's all about the crafty, ceramics, use of macaroni and probably decopauge type of artistry. Yeah but I don't think she can sketch at all either, at first I thought she didn't bother to for Miss America because she was too overwhelmed and just plain scared to think about that kind of gaudy gown and put it to paper but then her sketch for this challenge looked really amateur, the way a 12 year old would draw an outfit. Hm, is the t-shirt she designed for Macys the same as the buy PR one: "give fashion a chance?" Eh, she probably did get help like you say...
Ha @ people saying Keith is so hot. He looks exactly like a lizard, or that geiko little animation except with nice blue eyes. He also looks like he's aging badly, like the greys off the side of his hair. And his body, yeesh, I was like please please stop touching yourself and lifting your shirts when you lay down, yuck. But I guess to each her/his own...
In a really really weird way I think Bradley is kind of a cute older guy, his sense of humor mixed in with him just being a haywire and dazed oddball. I can just imagine him as a silly little hippy with a poncho and man-sandals at like a phish concert ha. Or an extremely liberal professor at a college/university who comes in all disorganized and teaches in a very non-chalant and unconventional way - as in - no assignments.
Yeah strange, I know...
gandm
August 4, 2006 - 06:15 AM
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I don't know if anyone else has discussed what I'm about to say. My puppy has had to have emergency surgery today or be put to sleep so I have had a VERY stressful day and haven't been able to read all the posts. BTW my puppy, a poodle named Lucky (ironic, eh?) is doing fine now.
Sorry to hear about your puppy but glad to hear she/he is on the mend. Just FYI...did you know you can get pet insurance?? One of my beagles had to have emergency back surgery a year ago (or be put down - NO WAY!) and while the insurance didn't cover all of it, it covered about half. And that was expensive surgery, oh my! Anyway, it's called VPI - Veterinary Pet Insurance.
Carole
August 4, 2006 - 06:24 AM
Also, I just got my MACYS email about her winning outfit AND this Tshirt w/her 'winning sketch'. I QUOTE:"..check out our new INC tee, inspired by the show with an ORIGNINAL SKETCH BY ANGELA KESLAR. "
Um, I thought she said she doesn't sketch! The sketch is descent so I know she didn't do that herself.
I think she said she didn't sketch to Miss USA in order to be sure not to be picked as a team leader. She also said she didn't make gowns so she probably guessed it would be a team effort for such a big challenge. I am beginning to think that Angela is pretty smart. Maybe she will even pick up that bubble skirts are a no-no.
Rosebud66
August 4, 2006 - 06:47 AM
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Also, I just got my MACYS email about her winning outfit AND this Tshirt w/her 'winning sketch'. I QUOTE:"..check out our new INC tee, inspired by the show with an ORIGNINAL SKETCH BY ANGELA KESLAR. "
Um, I thought she said she doesn't sketch! The sketch is descent so I know she didn't do that herself.
I think she said she didn't sketch to Miss USA in order to be sure not to be picked as a team leader. She also said she didn't make gowns so she probably guessed it would be a team effort for such a big challenge. I am beginning to think that Angela is pretty smart. Maybe she will even pick up that bubble skirts are a no-no.
Unfortunately they are not a no-no. They're back big time but they don't look like Angela's bubble skirts, that's for sure.
SisterZip73
August 4, 2006 - 06:48 AM
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I like you bringing up "breach of contract". Clearly, in legal terms, that voids contracts. It involves the most serious of penalties. Example: Aaron Boone tore up his knee in a pick up basketball game. That was a breach of contract. He's a baseball player. He admitted what he did and took the penalty: his contract was torn up and he lost his job and his money from it. He rehabbed on his own dime mostly and someone liked him owing up to what he did and signed him to a new contract. He could have lied but he didn't. He took his medicine and rebounded.
I totally agree. Boone took a big hit in everything. And there was no guarentee that his knee would get back to normal. It is so refreshing when people own up to their mistakes and take the conscequences rather than try to talk their way out of trouble.
SisterZip73
August 4, 2006 - 06:59 AM
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did you guys see the tee at macy's of angela's sketch?
http://www1.macys.com/catalog/product/inde...ID=email&bhcp=1
It's, OMG I can't believe I'm saying this, CUTE!!!
signladybc
August 4, 2006 - 07:03 AM
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Um, I thought she said she doesn't sketch! The sketch is descent so I know she didn't do that herself.
Can't you all get off it? Why would you even think she didn't do the sketch herself just because it is "descent" decent?! I know she said to Miss USA, I don't sketch so . . . But obviously she must sketch designs for presentations all the time.
She may not be my favorite but doesn't she look radiant in the picture on Tim's Take? And can't people give someone some kind of a break when they do something right?
As I said before and as many others who aren't simply hatefully judgemental have said--Angela did some extremely smart things for this challenge--in her choices for her team, in her consciencious ability to listen and collaborate rather than bull through--I'm the designer, I'm the leader we'll do it MY way!
And will those of you who are fixated on Malan get off that horse? He was eliminated. It's part of the game and the chance one takes when one participates in this kind of competition.
Love the show, still. But I'm getting mighty tired of the boards.
SLB _,,/
MissOtis
August 4, 2006 - 07:18 AM
I apologize for posting what, apparently, is a spoiler. I assumed that this was information that had already been made public somewhere else and posted it on this thread without thinking.
My sincere apologies to the board.
SisterZip73
August 4, 2006 - 07:21 AM
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It's a shame that Bravo et al doesn't have the guts to publicly apologize for calling small dogs fashion accessories.
While the wording of "fashion accessory' was misguided, it also may have been intended as a 'tongue in cheek' comment on how silly the whole thing is and it fell flat.
Calling the dogs an accessory is not cruel...beating, burning, neglecting them until they are nothing but skin & bones...that is cruelty. These dogs looked happy, healthy and well loved. There was nothing cruel going on with those dogs. You didn't see them constantly under the designers care while they were trying to work. The owners/handlers obviously had control over them in between camera times.
Come to Missouri...you will see what cruelty is. We lead the nation in puppy mills. And 'animal hoarders'. These are usually elderly women who have 65 cats and 100 dogs in a 14x70 mobile home out in the boonies and can't feed them or take them to the vet because they don't have the money. That is cruelty.
Sorry...the soap box got a bit big there for a minute.
SisterZip73
August 4, 2006 - 07:37 AM
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i believe yesterday was proof positive that while most of us poo pooed angela in the first group challenge, it was vincent who was an ordeal to work with. and his comment about, ' i had to tear out and redo what she did' now strikes me as bogus when you consider that regardless of the absurdness of a garment she may create, her execution is never in question.
Vera Wang even commented on her construction capabilities. I think she just didn't do it the way Vincent would have and that's why he tore it out. She may have done it the right way and he just didn't/doesn't like her. Nothing she would do would be any good to him...or Jeffrey the way it looks for next week.
needlesschatter
August 4, 2006 - 07:53 AM
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It's a shame that Bravo et al doesn't have the guts to publicly apologize for calling small dogs fashion accessories.
While the wording of "fashion accessory' was misguided, it also may have been intended as a 'tongue in cheek' comment on how silly the whole thing is and it fell flat.
Calling the dogs an accessory is not cruel...beating, burning, neglecting them until they are nothing but skin & bones...that is cruelty. These dogs looked happy, healthy and well loved. There was nothing cruel going on with those dogs. You didn't see them constantly under the designers care while they were trying to work. The owners/handlers obviously had control over them in between camera times.
Come to Missouri...you will see what cruelty is. We lead the nation in puppy mills. And 'animal hoarders'. These are usually elderly women who have 65 cats and 100 dogs in a 14x70 mobile home out in the boonies and can't feed them or take them to the vet because they don't have the money. That is cruelty.
Sorry...the soap box got a bit big there for a minute.
AND MY DEAR, A GREAT BIG BRAVO TO YOU TOO!
It is a shame that you and the many many others here cannot see the connection between someone with power (in this case BravoTV) stating publicly that dogs are "fashion accessories", and Joan (or John) Q. Public (middle class americans addicted to "reality TV") buying this "fashion accessory", and 6 months later dumping this "fashion accessory" in the pound, because they cannot handle the responsibility. And after 3 months in the pound, this "fashion accessory" (no longer wanted) has to be put down because it is no longer adoptable due to the stress of being in a cage for months.
Yes, Virginia this does happen over and over and over (ad nauseam) again.
Dee
needlesschatter
August 4, 2006 - 08:01 AM
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And yes, in response to your earlier post, I am ticked off that she called me a Nazi. However, I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because we all have our cranky moments. Of course, that was before I, too, concluded that she was a bit of a nut job. I wish she'd just stop it, already.
Were you ticked off with the soup guy on Seinfeld being called the "Soup Nazi", or are you ticked off because your posting could be interpreted as such?
Oh yeah and a GREAT BIG FRIDAY BRAVO TO YOU TOO, HONEY!
Dee
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