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Check out the exercise tips from the trainers, then share some of your own here!
Thanks for adding the fitness tips videos to the website! it's like having my own private personal trainer online. even though the workouts are not new to me, i still enjoyed watching all of it. all the trainers are awesome, fit, and SEXY, especially the women! kudos to jackie and the gang!
I do like a lot of the tips. I'm incorporating them with my regular routine. I'm really interested in hearing how the trainers work with the clients. For instance, we see a little of Doug and Jody, but not a lot of his advice to her on what she needs to do to focus on her "issue" areas.
And with Tess, what EXACTLY does Jackie have her doing? What's the nutrition factor? I know there is a lot of cardio, but what are the goals and how are they being achieved. This part of the show is such an intriguing story line...
And with Tess, what EXACTLY does Jackie have her doing? What's the nutrition factor? I know there is a lot of cardio, but what are the goals and how are they being achieved. This part of the show is such an intriguing story line...
the fitness tips are great but will you be including some diet and nutrition tips to the website?
Not to be critical, but I do want to take issue with something Jackie said in an interview that was posted on this site. According to her, lifting weights is the only way to lose weight, period. I totally disagree with this. This is the sort of incorrect and useless advice that is given to people by ignorant trainers all the time. Losing weight comes down to a simple formula--make calories in less than calories out. It doesn't matter whether you reduce your calories by eating less or burning more, whichever way you do it, you will lose weight. Watching what you eat is the most important aspect to losing weight. Most people will not lose weight with exercise alone. The argument is often made that adding muscle will cause you to lose weight because muscle burns more calories. This is true, but unless you are a body builder or are in the gym lifting weights 2-3 hours a day, most people (especially women) are not going to be able to pack on enough muscle to really make a difference in how many calories they burn each day. Simple cardio workouts, even just walking 2.5 miles a day, when combined with serious lifestyle and diet changes (ie, cutting back on soda and alcohol, high fat foods, late night snacking, adding more fruits and veggies) will allow you to lose weight. It is not rocket science and you don't need to go to a gym or have a $400 per hour trainer to get you where you want to go.
People on another board were saying how Jackie's abs are not really that impressive and can be attained by anyone who works at it. That is probably true, however, the reason why Jackie's abs pop like they do isn't because she does a million crunches a day, but because she's eliminated the layer of fat over her midsection that most of us have. She didn't do that by training, she did it through diet. The diet is the most important part to losing weight and getting leaner. You can lift weights 8 hours a day and still not look toned until you cut the fat.
People on another board were saying how Jackie's abs are not really that impressive and can be attained by anyone who works at it. That is probably true, however, the reason why Jackie's abs pop like they do isn't because she does a million crunches a day, but because she's eliminated the layer of fat over her midsection that most of us have. She didn't do that by training, she did it through diet. The diet is the most important part to losing weight and getting leaner. You can lift weights 8 hours a day and still not look toned until you cut the fat.
I am going to integrate Jackie's AB workout into my routine.
Thanks for putting up the trainer tips.
Jill
http://www.GoalGuru.com
Thanks for putting up the trainer tips.
Jill
http://www.GoalGuru.com
I think rebecca is in the best shape of all the trainers. she has a better body than jackie and i think she is in better shape. pushups on the bosu ball are not easy. jesse and peeler are jokes
I would like to see jackie's personal workout plan. I wonder how much cardio she does....how many reps of what weights for what muscles. I'm curious...cause we never see her working out.
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Not to be critical, but I do want to take issue with something Jackie said in an interview that was posted on this site. According to her, lifting weights is the only way to lose weight, period. I totally disagree with this. This is the sort of incorrect and useless advice that is given to people by ignorant trainers all the time. Losing weight comes down to a simple formula--make calories in less than calories out. It doesn't matter whether you reduce your calories by eating less or burning more, whichever way you do it, you will lose weight. Watching what you eat is the most important aspect to losing weight. Most people will not lose weight with exercise alone. The argument is often made that adding muscle will cause you to lose weight because muscle burns more calories. This is true, but unless you are a body builder or are in the gym lifting weights 2-3 hours a day, most people (especially women) are not going to be able to pack on enough muscle to really make a difference in how many calories they burn each day. Simple cardio workouts, even just walking 2.5 miles a day, when combined with serious lifestyle and diet changes (ie, cutting back on soda and alcohol, high fat foods, late night snacking, adding more fruits and veggies) will allow you to lose weight. It is not rocket science and you don't need to go to a gym or have a $400 per hour trainer to get you where you want to go.
People on another board were saying how Jackie's abs are not really that impressive and can be attained by anyone who works at it. That is probably true, however, the reason why Jackie's abs pop like they do isn't because she does a million crunches a day, but because she's eliminated the layer of fat over her midsection that most of us have. She didn't do that by training, she did it through diet. The diet is the most important part to losing weight and getting leaner. You can lift weights 8 hours a day and still not look toned until you cut the fat.
I didn't see that interview...I'll have to check around a bit I guess. yeah def...you burn more cals than you take in...simple as that.
I have a question. I have been working out for some time now I eat right for the most part. I discoved a problem with snacks so I cut them out and got fruits and veggies to snack on. My question is what is a good way to lose the weight I am 5' 11" I weigh 232 and have been that big since my first kid. I went on the Atkins diet and lost 47 pounds but my blood pressure got high so I had to stop then back went my weight. I started dring protien shakes it was helping then I could not afford to get the shakes anymore. Now I'm working out everyday I just started jogging something I have not been able to do in 10 years due to back problems/pins and rods in my back. I started out very slow first waling then 1/4 mile jog now up to a mile a day. I don't see much change and need help. My husband doen't want me to stress it but I have been trying things for 10 years with little or no success. I wanted to get lipo and a tummy tuck first it cost to much second the Doctor told me I had to lose weigh to get it done LOL what a joke. I have to lose weight to get surgery hehe. I was thinking on the one surgery to shrink my tummy but they said 1 I don't eat wrong and 2 I don't weigh enough to get it done. I would like some help on this. I already do most the exercises that are on the tips page so nothing new for me. Any help would be great thanks. Maria.
Oloveia
My speciality is obesity and weight loss and have seen many patients that have had bariatric surgery done. Guess what? many people who have surgery to help with weight loss, find they start to regain the weight after about 2 years. sad. There is a standard guideline for those interested in bariatric surgery that they have to be at least 100 pounds overweight and you don't fall into that with your weight and height. Many studies are showing that people who lose weight too rapidly have a higher likelyhood to regain the weight plus more! why? because they screwed up their metabolism. yoyo-dieting messes up you metabolism also. you can reset your metabolism though. my suggestions for you is to slowly make lifestyle changes (throw the word "diet" out of your vocabulary). cut down or cut out sodas and alcohol. eat plenty of fruits and veggies at every meal. Studies have shown that people who eat soups and salads before their meal ended up eating fewer calories overall. Book to read called VOLUMETRICS by Dr. barbara rolls, teaches you how to be fuller with fewer calories and it has recipes. Eat regularly through out the day about every 3 hours. smaller meals, bigger snacks. eat breakfast-most important meal of the day. don't wait until you are hungry to eat, that's when people tend to binge and pig out. eat lean proteins and healthy fats (nuts, avocado, olive oil). you need fat to lose fat. measure your food (know portion sizes) and aim for about 1500 calories a day and try to burn an additional 400-500 calories a day though exercise. at your current weight you should burn about 150 calories per mile of walking. however as you become efficient with the workout and as you lose weight you will burn less calories doing the same workout. Mix up your routine every 4-6 weeks. Drink at least 64 ounces of water a day. A lot of the time people think they are hungry when its actually thirst. Add in some light weight training (aim for 1-3 sets of 15-20 reps--focus on muscle endurance training only for all the muscle groups--legs, back, chest, arms, abs, etc..). 1500 calories a day is not enough to build muscle or strength and if you do lift heavy weights it could hinder your weight loss, because you are not getting enough calories and protein to build or repair the muscles. Lastly, stress management. Stress has been linked to abdominal fat in women. find ways to lower your stress levels if you have any. yoga, meditation, regular exercise are some ways. Hope this helps. I have had many patients successful with weight loss. one of my patients was in people magazine for losing over 100 pounds and another patient of mine was on Dr. Phil for losing 100 plus pounds. Losing weight is not the hard part, keeping it off is. this is why lifestyle changes are so important.
My speciality is obesity and weight loss and have seen many patients that have had bariatric surgery done. Guess what? many people who have surgery to help with weight loss, find they start to regain the weight after about 2 years. sad. There is a standard guideline for those interested in bariatric surgery that they have to be at least 100 pounds overweight and you don't fall into that with your weight and height. Many studies are showing that people who lose weight too rapidly have a higher likelyhood to regain the weight plus more! why? because they screwed up their metabolism. yoyo-dieting messes up you metabolism also. you can reset your metabolism though. my suggestions for you is to slowly make lifestyle changes (throw the word "diet" out of your vocabulary). cut down or cut out sodas and alcohol. eat plenty of fruits and veggies at every meal. Studies have shown that people who eat soups and salads before their meal ended up eating fewer calories overall. Book to read called VOLUMETRICS by Dr. barbara rolls, teaches you how to be fuller with fewer calories and it has recipes. Eat regularly through out the day about every 3 hours. smaller meals, bigger snacks. eat breakfast-most important meal of the day. don't wait until you are hungry to eat, that's when people tend to binge and pig out. eat lean proteins and healthy fats (nuts, avocado, olive oil). you need fat to lose fat. measure your food (know portion sizes) and aim for about 1500 calories a day and try to burn an additional 400-500 calories a day though exercise. at your current weight you should burn about 150 calories per mile of walking. however as you become efficient with the workout and as you lose weight you will burn less calories doing the same workout. Mix up your routine every 4-6 weeks. Drink at least 64 ounces of water a day. A lot of the time people think they are hungry when its actually thirst. Add in some light weight training (aim for 1-3 sets of 15-20 reps--focus on muscle endurance training only for all the muscle groups--legs, back, chest, arms, abs, etc..). 1500 calories a day is not enough to build muscle or strength and if you do lift heavy weights it could hinder your weight loss, because you are not getting enough calories and protein to build or repair the muscles. Lastly, stress management. Stress has been linked to abdominal fat in women. find ways to lower your stress levels if you have any. yoga, meditation, regular exercise are some ways. Hope this helps. I have had many patients successful with weight loss. one of my patients was in people magazine for losing over 100 pounds and another patient of mine was on Dr. Phil for losing 100 plus pounds. Losing weight is not the hard part, keeping it off is. this is why lifestyle changes are so important.
I agree with you that you don't "have" to exercise to lose weight but you will become what us fitness girls call "skinny fat". Meaning you have no tone to your muscles they are mush with no depth and that doesn't look good. Muscles are sexy, they give a women shape and the only way to achieve that is to workout with weights. Muscle helps to smooth out cellulite, who wants to be skinny, weight less but jiggle like a bowl of jello when you walk by? It does not take 2-3 hours a day to look good, gain muscle and lose weight. Sounds like excuses to me and not a true understanding of what it takes to workout. It's about a lifestyle with goals and a sense of accomplishment. Diet and exercise go together and it's the combination that give Jackie her great abs, top it with a dedicated spirit and a healthy lifestyle.
I love the tips.. But is there anyway the music can be removed from Doug's tips??? I can barely hear his instructions... Everything else is great...
I just watched the show for the first time this weekend and was lucky enough to record and view about 7 episodes back to back...I just love it! I can totally relate to Tess right now with one exception, she's successful and I am not. I have been struggling to lose 65 lbs for several years now. I have been walking 4 miles per session 5 days per week for the past month and have changed my diet to no avail. My goal was to lose 1 lb last week...that's right just 1 lb...as to have too high a goal for me, just leads to defeat. Instead of losing that 1 single lb, I gained 2 lbs instead. As a young woman who went on to have 4 children, gaining weight was something I could never do...I was one of those who could eat and never gain. Well, now it has come back to haunt me in a reverse fashion. I am now 44 and weigh 203 lbs and my goal is to be 140ish as my younger 115 lb look had me looking anorexic. My ultimate goal is to walk 30 -45 minutes per day for the rest of my life after having obtained an ideal weight. At this rate, it just does not seem to be something I will ever have. I have never been a soda drinker and water, green tea and one cup of coffee are my norm. I do not eat sweets...am a salt person. I make good choices...I just do not get it! I would love to know Tess' eating plan and schedule of excercises. I would love to know how long the trainers keep their clients on the treadmill, etc and at what pace. This would be so beneficial. Can anyone out there offer any advice to keep my spirits up??? I tried to tell myself at first that I was not putting myself thru this for my physical appearance but for my ultimate health. My 20 miles per week has driven my energy level way up but now that I'm being honest with myself, I want to be fit and trim again!!!! There, I said it! Thanks to anyone who has anything to offer!
Isn't it true that your body burns more calories per hour after lifting weights than after cardio, etc??? A trainer I knew once told me that it's good to lift in the morning because it boosts your metabolism for hours afterwards.
From what I understand (my boyfriend has a degree in physical fitness) that your body burns more calories when you incorporate weight lifting into your work out, along with cardio and yes if you work out in the a.m., your metabolism is higher throughout the day....
I found a new Awesome site.
http://www.calorie-count.com
Its by about.com and it lets you log in all your food intake and exercise information and analyzes the results. Very health oriented (when i miscalculated the time it would take to reach me goal, it quickly reminded me one can only lose up to 2lbs of fat per week,which is so true and you rarely hear it) Best of all ITS FREE. I logged in the daily calories i had a registered nutritionist calculate for me along with my workouts and it really helps see where you made the right or wrong choices.
I also have to say, I do not know what it is about jackie but even on tv she gives off this vibe that seems to cut through doubt or denial and just motivate. Ever since seeing this show, i have made the final steps to truely commit myself to a healthy lifestyle. I am down 7 lbs, and feeling great. 40 more to my goal!!!
Jackie you motivate and inspire us, and your own personal challenges only help humanize you (although i know some of the drama is purely for tv )
thanks
MiamiGirl
http://www.calorie-count.com
Its by about.com and it lets you log in all your food intake and exercise information and analyzes the results. Very health oriented (when i miscalculated the time it would take to reach me goal, it quickly reminded me one can only lose up to 2lbs of fat per week,which is so true and you rarely hear it) Best of all ITS FREE. I logged in the daily calories i had a registered nutritionist calculate for me along with my workouts and it really helps see where you made the right or wrong choices.
I also have to say, I do not know what it is about jackie but even on tv she gives off this vibe that seems to cut through doubt or denial and just motivate. Ever since seeing this show, i have made the final steps to truely commit myself to a healthy lifestyle. I am down 7 lbs, and feeling great. 40 more to my goal!!!
Jackie you motivate and inspire us, and your own personal challenges only help humanize you (although i know some of the drama is purely for tv )
thanks
MiamiGirl
i can't wait for this show to start. i'll be 50 this year (but look 35!) and i want to be lean and toned. if anyone has any tips to help me i'd appreciate it. this is my goal for this Summer.
Love the show. Last year Jackie had a great workout in Us mag just using simple 5 to 10 lb weights and an exercise band. I was using it several time a week when my husband threw away the magazine! Does anyone happen to know where I can get that workout in scans or is it on the net anyplace. Or the date of the magazine. Then I can go to the library and get it again.
Thanks
Thanks
I love watching this show. Jackie is so great. I wish she could be my personal trainer. I would love to be able to afford to go to her spa. I know I would never look like Jackie but I would love to lose all my weight. I just wish I could meet Jackie and have her give me a personal workout to so over time. Anyway Love the show. Its great.
I do agree that liftng weights is not the ONLY factor in betting a ripped tummy, but it really is a major one.
Crunches only do so much. They're taught at gyms because they're simply safer and easier to teach. I have worked with several trainers who, right off the bat, send me doing crunches. I've done SO many crunches that they take barely any effort anymore. As a new trainer, I would have clients start at crunches if they needed it, but I've had trainers who literally base programs around them! I've tried every variation I've ever seen.
Crunches can BULK you up instead of trim you down. If you're going to do them as WELL as compound exercises more power to you. But that entails several very key factors. Eat right. Cut those calories! You balance yourself out by eating more and working out more, especially if you're not going to stick to exercise. When you stop you're going to have that habbit still. Work your abdominal mucles. Whether through crunches or other means. Work your OBLIQUES. You internal oblique is a wonderful wonderful muscle just dying to be flexed. It'll pull you stomach in, giving you that lovely flat tummy we'd all die for. You get that through stabilizing yourself during lifting. Planks! Planks are a really great tool. They may suck when you're doing them, but hey at least you internal obliques won't get that super fast burn that your abs do.
That's a big reason people think they're getting something big out of crunches. They feel them in a short time.
Bottom line, don't stick soley to crunches. They're no good if fat is covering your abs, they'll just push you further out.
Crunches only do so much. They're taught at gyms because they're simply safer and easier to teach. I have worked with several trainers who, right off the bat, send me doing crunches. I've done SO many crunches that they take barely any effort anymore. As a new trainer, I would have clients start at crunches if they needed it, but I've had trainers who literally base programs around them! I've tried every variation I've ever seen.
Crunches can BULK you up instead of trim you down. If you're going to do them as WELL as compound exercises more power to you. But that entails several very key factors. Eat right. Cut those calories! You balance yourself out by eating more and working out more, especially if you're not going to stick to exercise. When you stop you're going to have that habbit still. Work your abdominal mucles. Whether through crunches or other means. Work your OBLIQUES. You internal oblique is a wonderful wonderful muscle just dying to be flexed. It'll pull you stomach in, giving you that lovely flat tummy we'd all die for. You get that through stabilizing yourself during lifting. Planks! Planks are a really great tool. They may suck when you're doing them, but hey at least you internal obliques won't get that super fast burn that your abs do.
That's a big reason people think they're getting something big out of crunches. They feel them in a short time.
Bottom line, don't stick soley to crunches. They're no good if fat is covering your abs, they'll just push you further out.
I'm so glad to be back on the board, I got some great advice last year and the show motivates me to workout (lost 15 pounds).
I have a question for you guys, I've been researching fat burners and "diet pills". I know they vary with results. I have this last 10 pounds that just won't go away. Its been months, I changed my diet, my workouts etc. I don't need an appetite suppressant what I eat is fine.
I thought fat burners might give me the extra edge I need. I've read alot about CLA, that Hoodia stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions???
I have a question for you guys, I've been researching fat burners and "diet pills". I know they vary with results. I have this last 10 pounds that just won't go away. Its been months, I changed my diet, my workouts etc. I don't need an appetite suppressant what I eat is fine.
I thought fat burners might give me the extra edge I need. I've read alot about CLA, that Hoodia stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions???
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS A CLUE CAUSE THESE TRAINERS DON'T. YOU ARE RIGHT IT'S ABOUT TAKING THE LAYER OF FAT OFF THE ABS. WE ALL HAVE ABS, OTHERWISE WHATS HOLDING IN YOUR ORGANS???? HAS ANYONE EVER KNOWN SOME WHO DOES SAY 200 OR 500 SIT UPS A DAY BUT NO ABS??????HELLO. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE DIET!
I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT.
DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A FITNESS/BODYBUILDING BOARD FOR SERIOUS ATHLETE AND OR COMPETITORS?
First of all, did you know that on boards or IM's, using all capital letters is considered shouting?
You're shouting on the boards here, A.M.!!
Secondly, instead of ripping the show apart, instead of causing yourself all this angst... CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
Some of us are finding the show motivating BECAUSE it's not just about working out. It's about the lives of people striving to be/stay fit and all the challenges outside the gym that may or may not get in the way.
Please, lighten up!
You're shouting on the boards here, A.M.!!
Secondly, instead of ripping the show apart, instead of causing yourself all this angst... CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
Some of us are finding the show motivating BECAUSE it's not just about working out. It's about the lives of people striving to be/stay fit and all the challenges outside the gym that may or may not get in the way.
Please, lighten up!
First of all I love the show. I tried calling their phone number to ask about sky lab prices and of course I got nothing. I really need some sort of help. I think part of the problem is just knowing how to workout. I lost 100 pounds on my own, eating nothing and doing kick boxing. Then gained it back when I was pregnant with my daughter due to health problems. Now, I need to lose it yet AGAin (ugh) but, their has to be a better way than eating nothing! Plus, I need to workout at home because the closest gym to me is an hour and half away! I have no idea how to work out at home. I honestly feel half of the battle in loseing weight is knowing how. Of course we can all eat less, and walk. But, I have been walking 2 miles ever other day and lost the first 30 pounds and now I have hit a wall. I just wish there was a way to learn how to work out with-out becoming a personal trainer. I can watch all the TV shows I want, but in the end I have no idea how to loose my jello-belly??? Let me know if anyone has any ideas!!!!
If the show is what you say to keep motivation for people in the real world in everyday situations then where is it being addressed? I'd truely be interested in watching. Themes such as women not feeling good about thier bodies, achieving goals geared towards the clients body type, injuries, food--not dieting, what a healthy body is and should look like, fear of success and sabaotaging oneself,not feeling worthy and the images the media and hollywood put forth that are rediculous for young girls and women. I don't and haven't seen anything addressed in the proir episodes about that.
You know what?
I think the best thing you could possibly do for yourself is to get the money together and create a show that is to your liking. You are spending waaaay too much negative energy on this show. You have to live with that, we don't. So, please, go raise the funds and create a show that you like. I'm sure we will all love it just as much as we do this one. It will just be different. And that is, after all, what makes the world go 'round.
Peace out.
I think the best thing you could possibly do for yourself is to get the money together and create a show that is to your liking. You are spending waaaay too much negative energy on this show. You have to live with that, we don't. So, please, go raise the funds and create a show that you like. I'm sure we will all love it just as much as we do this one. It will just be different. And that is, after all, what makes the world go 'round.
Peace out.
I would check out www.bodybuilding.com and go to the forums.
Miami Girl--Good Luck with your workout and Congrats on losing 7 lbs. Jackie and all the trainers are great!!!
Love this show too. I am also eating healthier and working out. Though I've never been overweight except when I was in my teens. I'm watching what I eat more now with this show as a motivation!
-Angel
Love this show too. I am also eating healthier and working out. Though I've never been overweight except when I was in my teens. I'm watching what I eat more now with this show as a motivation!
-Angel
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From what I understand (my boyfriend has a degree in physical fitness) that your body burns more calories when you incorporate weight lifting into your work out, along with cardio and yes if you work out in the a.m., your metabolism is higher throughout the day....
Thanks for the info Tray!
I have questions about the infamous protein shake. I went out and bought the ingredients today from GNC but I'm not sure they're right. The brand of the protein powder I got is called On. It only came in flavors like chocolate and vanilla. I settled for vanilla. I'm not sure that it's low-carb/low glycemic index. I think it says 1 gram of sugar and 4 grams of carbs. What is the best brand of protein powder to get?? I'd really like to know. I got individual packets of mega green powder and the flaxseed oil. I ended up NOT buying the liquid aminos because the guy there said you are getting all you need from the protein powder. My other issue with the shake is that it seems to be intended for people who are exercising or working out on a regular basis. If you're NOT, will you gain weight from it?? JUST CURIOUS.
QUOTE (Fat @ April 22, 2007 - 10:39 PM) 
I have questions about the infamous protein shake. I went out and bought the ingredients today from GNC but I'm not sure they're right. The brand of the protein powder I got is called On. It only came in flavors like chocolate and vanilla. I settled for vanilla. I'm not sure that it's low-carb/low glycemic index. I think it says 1 gram of sugar and 4 grams of carbs. What is the best brand of protein powder to get?? I'd really like to know. I got individual packets of mega green powder and the flaxseed oil. I ended up NOT buying the liquid aminos because the guy there said you are getting all you need from the protein powder. My other issue with the shake is that it seems to be intended for people who are exercising or working out on a regular basis. If you're NOT, will you gain weight from it?? I can't afford a gym or the resources to work out at home and suffer from Terrible depression which has kept me from exercising. Every time I try to eat healthy it doesn't work. Any input on these issues?
Hiya Fat&Sad,
Best advice anyone can give you is to:
1) Consult a professional.
2) Consult a professional.
3) Consult a professional.
You state that you have some issues with depression. There is no one here qualified to deal with that. If you are looking for advice regarding nutrition, try asking a nutritionist. If you are seeking advice regarding a health issue, try asking a physician. If you are seeking advice regarding a psychological issue, try asking a psychologist or psychiatrist.
If you are asking these questions of the general group on these boards, some hold fitness certifications, which means they are "certified as minimally competent" to work within a given professional field. To ask people who are "Minimally Competent" sets them up for law suits for practicing medicine without a license.
GO SEE A PROFESSIONAL!
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ April 22, 2007 - 11:58 PM)
Hiya Fat&Sad,
Best advice anyone can give you is to:
1) Consult a professional.
2) Consult a professional.
3) Consult a professional.
You state that you have some issues with depression. There is no one here qualified to deal with that. If you are looking for advice regarding nutrition, try asking a nutritionist. If you are seeking advice regarding a health issue, try asking a physician. If you are seeking advice regarding a psychological issue, try asking a psychologist or psychiatrist.
If you are asking these questions of the general group on these boards, some hold fitness certifications, which means they are "certified as minimally competent" to work within a given professional field. To ask people who are "Minimally Competent" sets them up for law suits for practicing medicine without a license.
GO SEE A PROFESSIONAL!
Best advice anyone can give you is to:
1) Consult a professional.
2) Consult a professional.
3) Consult a professional.
You state that you have some issues with depression. There is no one here qualified to deal with that. If you are looking for advice regarding nutrition, try asking a nutritionist. If you are seeking advice regarding a health issue, try asking a physician. If you are seeking advice regarding a psychological issue, try asking a psychologist or psychiatrist.
If you are asking these questions of the general group on these boards, some hold fitness certifications, which means they are "certified as minimally competent" to work within a given professional field. To ask people who are "Minimally Competent" sets them up for law suits for practicing medicine without a license.
GO SEE A PROFESSIONAL!
Uhh... I'm really not asking questions regarding that. I just wanted to know what other people are using or get input on what they are doing for their protein shakes. This is a message board where people can respond to each other... I'm not looking for professional advice from anyone... people can say what they want. They're not going to get sued for giving their opinions. If you don't have a response specific to what I'm asking then there's no need to reply. Thanks but no thanks.
Fat-n-Sad,
I agree with Farm Girl... you're best bet is to speak with someone in your area that can professionally advise you on what you need. Even if you tell them, "Hey, I can afford you one time only, so tell me as much as you can and give me tools to live a healthier life."
If someone did that to me, I'd be sooooo happy to meet with them and I'd probably tell them to bring a notebook!!! lol
Anyway, I can tell you what 'I' like in the way of protein powders/shakes. Others might disagree. Everyone has one or two they really like.
So!
Jay Robb Whey Protein shakes.
That's my favorite. I don't have the label in front of me, but I think I remember it being sweetened with Stevia, which is all natural and doesn't affect your insulin. Zero glycemic index. I personally like vanilla, because I put 1/2 cup of berries or coconut in mine, so it doesn't taste weird.
Also, I only use the amino acids when I'm training really, really hard. Otherwise, I don't need to.
But yeah, see if you can find a Registered Dietician in your area.
I agree with Farm Girl... you're best bet is to speak with someone in your area that can professionally advise you on what you need. Even if you tell them, "Hey, I can afford you one time only, so tell me as much as you can and give me tools to live a healthier life."
If someone did that to me, I'd be sooooo happy to meet with them and I'd probably tell them to bring a notebook!!! lol
Anyway, I can tell you what 'I' like in the way of protein powders/shakes. Others might disagree. Everyone has one or two they really like.
So!
Jay Robb Whey Protein shakes.
That's my favorite. I don't have the label in front of me, but I think I remember it being sweetened with Stevia, which is all natural and doesn't affect your insulin. Zero glycemic index. I personally like vanilla, because I put 1/2 cup of berries or coconut in mine, so it doesn't taste weird.
Also, I only use the amino acids when I'm training really, really hard. Otherwise, I don't need to.
But yeah, see if you can find a Registered Dietician in your area.
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ April 22, 2007 - 11:58 PM)
Hiya Fat&Sad,
You state that you have some issues with depression. There is no one here qualified to deal with that.
You state that you have some issues with depression. There is no one here qualified to deal with that.
Where was the statement about issues with depression? I think I missed that part.
Anyways, I'm a psych major with some education and experience in mood disorders and cognitive/behavioral therapy (advanced lectures)....I do not have my degree YET, but I am able to provide options you could try...I also do research in personality disorders in my spare time...long story short:
If you go to a general practice or family physician for depression, you will most likely be given a low dose of antidepressant. This may work for you, but you have to understand they can be addictive, and some have nasty side effects (especially the MAOI variety). TCA's are the old-school antidepressants, SSRI's are the new stuff (fewer side-effects, but also somewhat less effective than TCA's).
I STONGLY advise against antidepressants, as they just mask the issue...and some are quite expensive (TCA's are generally cheap though, as they are able to be produced generic).
If you go to a psychologist, you will most likely be encouraged to participate in talk therapy sessions (it works, but could be expensive depending if your insurance would cover it or not).
If you want to try and treat it yourself, here are (in my personal opinion) your best bets, as they are least costly, and you can do it yourself:
1.) Herbal treatments: Melatonin for sleep (insomnia is linked to depression too)...
2.) Natural treatments: Exercise (yup, it works), Meditation, Yoga...any physical activity...like walking in a park or something...it naturally increases dopamine and serotonin output, making you feel better (that's how exercise can be addictive).
3.) Alternative treatments: a multivitamin daily (you may have an imbalance), or aromatherapy (do not try in a car, some risk of falling asleep).
---
If you just need someone to talk to (talking about things is GREATLY BENEFICIAL), you can talk to me.
AIM: PsychUKMajor
MSN: psychUKmajor@hotmail.com
If it's an emergency (crisis or panic or etc.) that you need someone to talk to to clear your head, you can call me at 606.362.8812
QUOTE (Brandon Baker @ April 23, 2007 - 11:43 AM)
Where was the statement about issues with depression? I think I missed that part.
You need to go to the response where I quoted what he had written. He went in today and edited the statements out.
Anyways, I'm a psych major with some education and experience in mood disorders and cognitive/behavioral therapy (advanced lectures)....I do not have my degree YET, but I am able to provide options you could try...I also do research in personality disorders in my spare time...long story short:
You aren't a practitioner yet. Go ask your professors what legal boundaries you are crossing.
If you go to a general practice or family physician for depression, you will most likely be given a low dose of antidepressant. This may work for you, but you have to understand they can be addictive, and some have nasty side effects (especially the MAOI variety). TCA's are the old-school antidepressants, SSRI's are the new stuff (fewer side-effects, but also somewhat less effective than TCA's).
I sure hope you get the information from a current PDR.
I STONGLY advise against antidepressants, as they just mask the issue...and some are quite expensive (TCA's are generally cheap though, as they are able to be produced generic).
Talk to your professor about ethical lines you are crossing.
If you go to a psychologist, you will most likely be encouraged to participate in talk therapy sessions (it works, but could be expensive depending if your insurance would cover it or not).
If you want to try and treat it yourself, here are (in my personal opinion) your best bets, as they are least costly, and you can do it yourself:
1.) Herbal treatments: Melatonin for sleep (insomnia is linked to depression too)...
2.) Natural treatments: Exercise (yup, it works), Meditation, Yoga...any physical activity...like walking in a park or something...it naturally increases dopamine and serotonin output, making you feel better (that's how exercise can be addictive).
3.) Alternative treatments: a multivitamin daily (you may have an imbalance), or aromatherapy (do not try in a car, some risk of falling asleep).
You are an accident waiting to happen.
---
If you just need someone to talk to (talking about things is GREATLY BENEFICIAL), you can talk to me.
AIM: PsychUKMajor
MSN: psychUKmajor@hotmail.com
If it's an emergency (crisis or panic or etc.) that you need someone to talk to to clear your head, you can call me at 606.362.8812
You need to go to the response where I quoted what he had written. He went in today and edited the statements out.
Anyways, I'm a psych major with some education and experience in mood disorders and cognitive/behavioral therapy (advanced lectures)....I do not have my degree YET, but I am able to provide options you could try...I also do research in personality disorders in my spare time...long story short:
You aren't a practitioner yet. Go ask your professors what legal boundaries you are crossing.
If you go to a general practice or family physician for depression, you will most likely be given a low dose of antidepressant. This may work for you, but you have to understand they can be addictive, and some have nasty side effects (especially the MAOI variety). TCA's are the old-school antidepressants, SSRI's are the new stuff (fewer side-effects, but also somewhat less effective than TCA's).
I sure hope you get the information from a current PDR.
I STONGLY advise against antidepressants, as they just mask the issue...and some are quite expensive (TCA's are generally cheap though, as they are able to be produced generic).
Talk to your professor about ethical lines you are crossing.
If you go to a psychologist, you will most likely be encouraged to participate in talk therapy sessions (it works, but could be expensive depending if your insurance would cover it or not).
If you want to try and treat it yourself, here are (in my personal opinion) your best bets, as they are least costly, and you can do it yourself:
1.) Herbal treatments: Melatonin for sleep (insomnia is linked to depression too)...
2.) Natural treatments: Exercise (yup, it works), Meditation, Yoga...any physical activity...like walking in a park or something...it naturally increases dopamine and serotonin output, making you feel better (that's how exercise can be addictive).
3.) Alternative treatments: a multivitamin daily (you may have an imbalance), or aromatherapy (do not try in a car, some risk of falling asleep).
You are an accident waiting to happen.
---
If you just need someone to talk to (talking about things is GREATLY BENEFICIAL), you can talk to me.
AIM: PsychUKMajor
MSN: psychUKmajor@hotmail.com
If it's an emergency (crisis or panic or etc.) that you need someone to talk to to clear your head, you can call me at 606.362.8812
YIKES!
Brandon! Be careful, there dude. This kind of information *could* be taken as medical advise and misconstrued. Then you *could* be slapped with a lawsuit!
I have a friend who does online counseling for a FEW select clients, but before she gives them ANYTHING like what you offered, she screens them THOROUGHLY and they sign an Informed Consent!
I get that you are totally trying to help, but your strong opinions could mess someone up even more.
I appreciate your giving nature - just give a little less! haha!
(just trying to NOT make you wrong, but get the point across...)
be well.
Brandon! Be careful, there dude. This kind of information *could* be taken as medical advise and misconstrued. Then you *could* be slapped with a lawsuit!
I have a friend who does online counseling for a FEW select clients, but before she gives them ANYTHING like what you offered, she screens them THOROUGHLY and they sign an Informed Consent!
I get that you are totally trying to help, but your strong opinions could mess someone up even more.
I appreciate your giving nature - just give a little less! haha!
(just trying to NOT make you wrong, but get the point across...)
be well.
Wow. You people really missed the point. All I was asking is what people do for the freaking protein shake. If you're not going to answer the question then don't bother (and now I don't even want anymore responses, based on what was said). I really don't even want to get into this but I've gotta say that Brandon does not know what he's talking about and I cannot stress that enough. His point of view on the subject is exactly what people DON'T need. He really has no clue; I don't care WHAT his areas of "study" are. He is very very wrong.
I think he's just trying to say he's willing to help anyone needing someone to listen to. Maybe a little overzealous, but I believe he was trying to be genuinely nice.
There are some really passionate people on this forum....he's no different.
Don't tear people down, it doesn't help anyone.
There are some really passionate people on this forum....he's no different.
Don't tear people down, it doesn't help anyone.
QUOTE (Fat @ April 23, 2007 - 10:16 PM)
Wow. You people really missed the point. All I was asking is what people do for the freaking protein shake. If you're not going to answer the question then don't bother (and now I don't even want anymore responses, based on what was said). I really don't even want to get into this but I've gotta say that Brandon does not know what he's talking about and I cannot stress that enough. His point of view on the subject is exactly what people DON'T need. He really has no clue; I don't care WHAT his areas of "study" are. He is very very wrong.
Hey Fat&Sad,
I personally appologize for any angst I may have caused you. Your original post included some pretty darned important facts about your pesent state of mental well-being as well as your perceived level of physical fitness.
There are folks out there who, whether well intentioned or not, can cause you more harm than good with their suggestions...yes, even for a "freakin protien shake".
You need some serious help with your fitness and wellness program and you honestly do need to find the money to seek out a professional.
I, and everyone else writing these notes, wish you the best of luck in your fitness and wellness endeavors and hope you get the best help possible to achieve your goals.
The first step in your journey has to start with you. You have to want it enough to take the next step. Seek out professionals who can help you set achievable, realistic goals for you. It doesn't happen over night and to date, no pill or protien shake is powerful enough to be more effective than your own personal desire to succeed.
If you want it bad enough, you will do what's right for you and seek out those individuals who can best serve your needs for success.
Best of luck! Don't give up! Be as mad at me as you need to be, but DON'T GIVE UP!!!!
QUOTE (Fat @ April 23, 2007 - 10:16 PM)
Wow. You people really missed the point. All I was asking is what people do for the freaking protein shake. If you're not going to answer the question then don't bother (and now I don't even want anymore responses, based on what was said). I really don't even want to get into this but I've gotta say that Brandon does not know what he's talking about and I cannot stress that enough. His point of view on the subject is exactly what people DON'T need. He really has no clue; I don't care WHAT his areas of "study" are. He is very very wrong.
Hey, F&S,
I gotcha, and I am also sorry if I said/did anything that upset you. I did, in a previous post, talk about the brand of shake I like, if that helps.
As for the other stuff... take what works for you and leave the rest. Leave all of it - just try the shake! <grin>
I have had classes in professional ethics, and know quite well any legal boundaries I am approaching (within the scope of my state's laws, which I am abiding).
I made sure to keep the information I gave generic enough that they would be able to find it on a pamphlet.
It is not illegal 'anywhere' to give advice; however, it is illegal to tell a person "this is what you need to do in order to get better". That would be 'practitioning'...as ohiofarmgirl put it.
Besides, every physician, psychologist, nurse, or anyone with experience with antidepressants knows they are addictive and would advise treatment in another manner (due to their overwhelming complications); hence no ethic violation...it's the cold hard truth.
And as for an accident waiting to happen: relaxation therapy and treating for a vitamin imbalance has been used as treatment for more people than antidepressants; and it works. It has worked for thousands of years. An accident waiting to happen would be to let someone with depression go untreated in any way/shape/form.
Yes, indeed, they should seek help from someone more qualified; but, that is up to them.
I made sure to keep the information I gave generic enough that they would be able to find it on a pamphlet.
It is not illegal 'anywhere' to give advice; however, it is illegal to tell a person "this is what you need to do in order to get better". That would be 'practitioning'...as ohiofarmgirl put it.
Besides, every physician, psychologist, nurse, or anyone with experience with antidepressants knows they are addictive and would advise treatment in another manner (due to their overwhelming complications); hence no ethic violation...it's the cold hard truth.
And as for an accident waiting to happen: relaxation therapy and treating for a vitamin imbalance has been used as treatment for more people than antidepressants; and it works. It has worked for thousands of years. An accident waiting to happen would be to let someone with depression go untreated in any way/shape/form.
Yes, indeed, they should seek help from someone more qualified; but, that is up to them.
QUOTE (aquariaqueen @ April 23, 2007 - 10:35 PM)
I think he's just trying to say he's willing to help anyone needing someone to listen to. Maybe a little overzealous, but I believe he was trying to be genuinely nice.
There are some really passionate people on this forum....he's no different.
Don't tear people down, it doesn't help anyone.
There are some really passionate people on this forum....he's no different.
Don't tear people down, it doesn't help anyone.
wow!!! you are GORGEOUS!!!
QUOTE (amyleem @ May 3, 2007 - 04:45 PM)
wow!!! you are GORGEOUS!!!
Thanks............
QUOTE (Brandon Baker @ May 3, 2007 - 03:31 PM)
I have had classes in professional ethics, (You need to pay more attention in these classes) and know quite well any legal boundaries I am approaching (within the scope of my state's laws, which I am abiding) (we're arguing about ethics, not State laws).
I made sure to keep the information I gave generic enough that they would be able to find it on a pamphlet (of your own admition, you are a "sophemore" which means "young, foolish" if you were to open up one of my favorite books...it's by Webster...check it out.).
It is not illegal 'anywhere' to give advice; however, it is illegal to tell a person "this is what you need to do in order to get better". That would be 'practitioning'...as ohiofarmgirl put it(Yep!).
Besides, every physician, psychologist, nurse, (All of which you are not) or anyone with experience with antidepressants knows they are addictive and would advise treatment in another manner (due to their overwhelming complications) (See above note); hence no ethic violation (think agian, Bubba)...it's the cold hard truth (nope, the cold hard truth is that you can be sued at any time for any reason regardless of "state legislation" ...again, you are an accident waiting to happen).
And as for an accident waiting to happen: relaxation therapy and treating for a vitamin imbalance has been used as treatment for more people than antidepressants; and it works. It has worked for thousands of years. An accident waiting to happen would be to let someone with depression go untreated in any way/shape/form (no sweetie, an accident waiting to happen is someone who has no clue as to current research into biochemical, genetic reasons for the human condition. Without knowing the current research into using mRNA to target pharmeceuticals which actually work according to an individual's DNA sequences, how could you possibly be educated in what's going on today in medicine. I guess you are exactly what your status in higher education dictates...a sophemore; a young fool. Honey, I'm old enough to be your mother. I'm more educated than you. If you want to argue this point, you need to bring your "A" game; not information you read from pamphlets. It's tough love time. You can be smart, or you can be a smart alec).
Yes, indeed, they should seek help from someone more qualified (yep); but, that is up to them (yep).
I made sure to keep the information I gave generic enough that they would be able to find it on a pamphlet (of your own admition, you are a "sophemore" which means "young, foolish" if you were to open up one of my favorite books...it's by Webster...check it out.).
It is not illegal 'anywhere' to give advice; however, it is illegal to tell a person "this is what you need to do in order to get better". That would be 'practitioning'...as ohiofarmgirl put it(Yep!).
Besides, every physician, psychologist, nurse, (All of which you are not) or anyone with experience with antidepressants knows they are addictive and would advise treatment in another manner (due to their overwhelming complications) (See above note); hence no ethic violation (think agian, Bubba)...it's the cold hard truth (nope, the cold hard truth is that you can be sued at any time for any reason regardless of "state legislation" ...again, you are an accident waiting to happen).
And as for an accident waiting to happen: relaxation therapy and treating for a vitamin imbalance has been used as treatment for more people than antidepressants; and it works. It has worked for thousands of years. An accident waiting to happen would be to let someone with depression go untreated in any way/shape/form (no sweetie, an accident waiting to happen is someone who has no clue as to current research into biochemical, genetic reasons for the human condition. Without knowing the current research into using mRNA to target pharmeceuticals which actually work according to an individual's DNA sequences, how could you possibly be educated in what's going on today in medicine. I guess you are exactly what your status in higher education dictates...a sophemore; a young fool. Honey, I'm old enough to be your mother. I'm more educated than you. If you want to argue this point, you need to bring your "A" game; not information you read from pamphlets. It's tough love time. You can be smart, or you can be a smart alec).
Yes, indeed, they should seek help from someone more qualified (yep); but, that is up to them (yep).
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl)
Assuming you've had Brain & Behavior (312) and the senior capstone Abnormal Behavior (533) and Psychological Testing (535) as I have, you'd understand that pharmaceutical companies do not make individual drugs to treat individual cases.
Their drugs boost the body's output of serotonin (5HT) mainly (though some also increase the other monoamines such as the monoamine oxidase inhibitors, which prevent the breakdown of such NT's in the synapse).
Serotonin is the neurotransmitter linked to depression, which is why it is the focus of pharmacological treatment. Preferably, drugs target the Kappa receptor as it is most efficient, because Mu receptors are too addictive (they found out the hard way).
If you take too much of these antidepressants that raise your levels of serotonin too high (or you are dosed incorrectly) you can have schizophrenic symptoms. THAT is why I said they are dangerous; not merely based upon their addictability.
Also, someone with a genetic prevalence in their family for schizophrenia, meaning the genetic precursors, could be triggered into a permanent schizophrenic state if the conditions are right (I know because I work with one of the world's leading experts in personality disorders). You'll find that out in DSM-V when it is released.
Anyways, I did not come here to argue, I was merely offering some affordance of help to someone who I thought needed it at the time. Instead, I'm ridiculed by someone obviously going through a mid-life crisis.
I would like to apologize for trying to help someone; excuse me for caring about people I've never met before. I'll try to be more cold-hearted in the future and just ignore them, even though I have conducted 350 hours of group therapy for depression (and even PTSD) in Lexington.
Assuming you've had Brain & Behavior (312) and the senior capstone Abnormal Behavior (533) and Psychological Testing (535) as I have, you'd understand that pharmaceutical companies do not make individual drugs to treat individual cases. Assuming you've had extensive education in biotechnological advances and spent countless hours in labs researching it, you would understand that pharmeceuticals are not specific to each individual. What may work for one person may not for someone else. When Dr's prescribe meds to patients, it's like throwing a dart and hoping it hits the mark. Understanding transcription and translation (protien synthesis, genetics) gives us the opportunity to prescribe drugs that will work according to an individual's DNA sequences (nutshell version of the info. - too many folks get lost in the piles of big words)
Their drugs boost the body's output of serotonin (5HT) mainly (though some also increase the other monoamines such as the monoamine oxidase inhibitors, which prevent the breakdown of such NT's in the synapse).
Serotonin is the neurotransmitter linked to depression, which is why it is the focus of pharmacological treatment. Preferably, drugs target the Kappa receptor as it is most efficient, because Mu receptors are too addictive (they found out the hard way).
If you take too much of these antidepressants that raise your levels of serotonin too high (or you are dosed incorrectly) you can have schizophrenic symptoms. THAT is why I said they are dangerous; not merely based upon their addictability.
It's good that you know this stuff, but knowing it and appropriately applying it to a situation are two completely different levels of knowledge and understanding.
Also, someone with a genetic prevalence in their family for schizophrenia(when was it that Fat&Sad told you he had schiz.?), meaning the genetic precursors, could be triggered into a permanent schizophrenic state if the conditions are right (I know because I work with one of the world's leading experts in personality disorders (assuming that this person has his or her PhD in th field makes him or her the expert, not you)). You'll find that out in DSM-V when it is released.
Anyways, I did not come here to argue, I was merely offering some affordance of help to someone who I thought needed it at the time. Instead, I'm ridiculed (not ridiculed, corrected)by someone obviously going through a mid-life crisis (Wow, are you an OBGYN too?).
I would like to apologize for trying to help someone; excuse me for caring about people I've never met before. I'll try to be more cold-hearted in the future and just ignore them, even though I have conducted 350 hours of group therapy for depression (and even PTSD) in Lexington (The PhD you referred to earlier is the expert and afforded the right of arrogance. He or she EARNED it through years of education and research. The time you've spent thus far is a mere drop in the bucket of what you must go through. You've got a looooong way to go before you get there).
Their drugs boost the body's output of serotonin (5HT) mainly (though some also increase the other monoamines such as the monoamine oxidase inhibitors, which prevent the breakdown of such NT's in the synapse).
Serotonin is the neurotransmitter linked to depression, which is why it is the focus of pharmacological treatment. Preferably, drugs target the Kappa receptor as it is most efficient, because Mu receptors are too addictive (they found out the hard way).
If you take too much of these antidepressants that raise your levels of serotonin too high (or you are dosed incorrectly) you can have schizophrenic symptoms. THAT is why I said they are dangerous; not merely based upon their addictability.
It's good that you know this stuff, but knowing it and appropriately applying it to a situation are two completely different levels of knowledge and understanding.
Also, someone with a genetic prevalence in their family for schizophrenia(when was it that Fat&Sad told you he had schiz.?), meaning the genetic precursors, could be triggered into a permanent schizophrenic state if the conditions are right (I know because I work with one of the world's leading experts in personality disorders (assuming that this person has his or her PhD in th field makes him or her the expert, not you)). You'll find that out in DSM-V when it is released.
Anyways, I did not come here to argue, I was merely offering some affordance of help to someone who I thought needed it at the time. Instead, I'm ridiculed (not ridiculed, corrected)by someone obviously going through a mid-life crisis (Wow, are you an OBGYN too?).
I would like to apologize for trying to help someone; excuse me for caring about people I've never met before. I'll try to be more cold-hearted in the future and just ignore them, even though I have conducted 350 hours of group therapy for depression (and even PTSD) in Lexington (The PhD you referred to earlier is the expert and afforded the right of arrogance. He or she EARNED it through years of education and research. The time you've spent thus far is a mere drop in the bucket of what you must go through. You've got a looooong way to go before you get there).
Can we get past this soon? It's not a spitting contest, it's a forum about Workout!!!
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