pacey988
August 17, 2006 - 09:22 PM
I would just like to say to everyone that I am sorry for getting angry about Vincent before. I guess I am just tired of the back and forth sniping that goes on on this board. If I have offended any of you, I am sorry. To my friends, I appreciate your presence here, and I am sorry if I have done anything wrong. All I wanted to do here was talk about Project Runway. I know one member told me what to expect when I got here, but for the most part I have ignored it until now. I still do not believe Heidi was in proper judgment when she made those derogatory comments about plus size women. If that is what fashion is, if fashion is only supposed to represent a supposedly "perfect" image and if plus size is the antithesis of that image, then that is unacceptable in my opinion. I am plus size but not by an outrageous amount. Also, I do believe that there are too many good designers getting eliminated from the show. Malan, Bonnie, Katherine and Alison are cases in point. I am seriously doubting whether or not I will watch Project Runway next week because of what I have read here and seen, though upon closer inspection the comment Heidi made initially slipped past me. It was a pleasure to be here, it still is a pleasure to be here, and I appreciate all of you who have given me kind words and compliments. Thanks.
eye8YrBchBch
August 17, 2006 - 09:22 PM
Wisdom and experience are very important, but so is having a finger on the pulse of contemporary movements and trends. I think Project Runway needs some new judges.
Clone Time Gun! Clone him for humanity! Tim Gun saves us!
FoodFanOne
August 17, 2006 - 09:23 PM
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My dog just ate a locust, when I took him outside. (true)
Good night! Hope your doggie is ok.
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August 17, 2006 - 09:30 PM
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She's got a point there ladies and gentlemans...what channel do u think I watch when theres nothing else on OR I've missed some episodes?
She?!?!?
OMG.ROFL,girl.heheh!DCBear is a guy,honey,and from the sound and fury,a pretty hot one....(kicking my high heels in the air....)
Sure you don't mean furry?
mushaboome
August 17, 2006 - 09:30 PM
alison should NOT have been kicked off. bullcorn. vincent does nothing but [censored].
carolinachick
August 17, 2006 - 09:47 PM
I haven't read all legendary's posts, so I may be off base here, but what I have read seems to indicate soemone who is trying to get a flame war started. First off, people who have wealth and lineage usually find no need to flaunt it on the Internet. They have more self-confidence than to have to proclaim how rich and and how wealthy their lineage is (especially "old money") Also, some of her comments seem to me to be VERY tongue-in-cheek, but definitely meant to stir up controversy. As y'all did with Dee on the Epi 4 board (when she got stuck on the "dogs are not fashion accessories" kick-on the WRONG board!), just ignore her when she is "flaunting" herself. She wants the controversy and the attention. She is thriving on it. I noticed that she IS capable of making somewhat intelligent comments (even if I don't agree with them) about the show when she is moved to, but she just seems to want to antagonize a few of you. I will say, some of the answers (FF! in particular) have been intelligent and inspired. I really think it best to ignore the flameworthy comments and respond only to the ones directly realating to the show.
Just my 2 cents. Take it for what it's worth (not much )
lazylady
August 17, 2006 - 09:55 PM
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I would just like to say to everyone that I am sorry for getting angry about Vincent before. I guess I am just tired of the back and forth sniping that goes on on this board. If I have offended any of you, I am sorry. To my friends, I appreciate your presence here, and I am sorry if I have done anything wrong. All I wanted to do here was talk about Project Runway. I know one member told me what to expect when I got here, but for the most part I have ignored it until now. I still do not believe Heidi was in proper judgment when she made those derogatory comments about plus size women. If that is what fashion is, if fashion is only supposed to represent a supposedly "perfect" image and if plus size is the antithesis of that image, then that is unacceptable in my opinion. I am plus size but not by an outrageous amount. Also, I do believe that there are too many good designers getting eliminated from the show. Malan, Bonnie, Katherine and Alison are cases in point. I am seriously doubting whether or not I will watch Project Runway next week because of what I have read here and seen, though upon closer inspection the comment Heidi made initially slipped past me. It was a pleasure to be here, it still is a pleasure to be here, and I appreciate all of you who have given me kind words and compliments. Thanks.
Hi Pacey
You can't take most of what is posted on this or any other message board too seriously or what is on the show either for that matter.
People discuss, get into arguments, and life goes on here and in real life also.
I doubt anyone here means serious harm to another human.
This is just a place for us to let off steam, vent our anger when we don't agree with the judges, and we don't always agree with what the other says.
It is all in fun, both this board and the show.
Don't let this board keep you from watching a program that you enjoy.
Life is way too short to take something like this seriously.
Have fun with it, laugh at it and if you are angry with the show this is a good place to vent that anger. We all do it at one time or another here.
Take care
LL
FoodFanOne
August 17, 2006 - 10:01 PM
Ok, singing off-key here, definitely had too much punch tonight. (Urp!) Here is a song in the style I used to sing to my son when he was little. If I ran out of lyrics in the middle of a line, I would just kept going.
To the tune of "Home, Home on the Range":
Bravo, Bravo you’re my fave
With programs about which we all rave;
Where seldom it hurts,
And we all laugh in spurts
At the highlights the producers all gave
Us, the wonderful viewers
Of the show that we frequently skewer;
Our Project Runway
Really makes the whole day,
And our cares are now definitely fewer.
So thanks, thanks to you all;
Getting silly is just such a ball,
Till we all say goodnight
And shut our eyes really tight,
Dreaming of this great show. We all scrawl
A poem, limerick or haiku,
How wonderfully talented are all of you;
Penning all of these things,
Till the laughter just rings
On this board the entire week through.
(hic)
dcjewbear
August 17, 2006 - 10:01 PM
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I vote everyone shut up about vincent being on the show still, at least he is being creative. Now LAURA, needs to go home, I swear if i see her make another garnment that she has already worn I will hurl.
go drink yourself.
Huh?
Parnell
August 17, 2006 - 10:06 PM
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I would just like to say to everyone that I am sorry for getting angry about Vincent before. I guess I am just tired of the back and forth sniping that goes on on this board. If I have offended any of you, I am sorry. To my friends, I appreciate your presence here, and I am sorry if I have done anything wrong. All I wanted to do here was talk about Project Runway. I know one member told me what to expect when I got here, but for the most part I have ignored it until now. I still do not believe Heidi was in proper judgment when she made those derogatory comments about plus size women. If that is what fashion is, if fashion is only supposed to represent a supposedly "perfect" image and if plus size is the antithesis of that image, then that is unacceptable in my opinion. I am plus size but not by an outrageous amount. Also, I do believe that there are too many good designers getting eliminated from the show. Malan, Bonnie, Katherine and Alison are cases in point. I am seriously doubting whether or not I will watch Project Runway next week because of what I have read here and seen, though upon closer inspection the comment Heidi made initially slipped past me. It was a pleasure to be here, it still is a pleasure to be here, and I appreciate all of you who have given me kind words and compliments. Thanks.
Hi Pacey
You can't take most of what is posted on this or any other message board too seriously or what is on the show either for that matter.
People discuss, get into arguments, and life goes on here and in real life also.
I doubt anyone here means serious harm to another human.
This is just a place for us to let off steam, vent our anger when we don't agree with the judges, and we don't always agree with what the other says.
It is all in fun, both this board and the show.
Don't let this board keep you from watching a program that you enjoy.
Life is way too short to take something like this seriously.
Have fun with it, laugh at it and if you are angry with the show this is a good place to vent that anger. We all do it at one time or another here.
Take care
LL
Good advice Lazylady. And Pacey, you ought not to censor yourself or feel unwelcome here. Your points are valid, just like the rest of ours, as long as you aren't trying to start a flame up. I'm curious though. What were you told to expect on this board? Was/Is there some reported tendencies about the Bravo Boards?
I, for one, agree with Lazylady. We need and ought to vent here when we don't agree with the judges. It allows us to participate in the show on another level, to form a community of viewers with a common (well, almost) topic of interest, and to have a kind of "lean in" experience with a television program which is usually considered to be "passive viewing." For this reason, the board is invaluable.
FoodFanOne
August 17, 2006 - 10:07 PM
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I would just like to say to everyone that I am sorry for getting angry about Vincent before. I guess I am just tired of the back and forth sniping that goes on on this board. If I have offended any of you, I am sorry. To my friends, I appreciate your presence here, and I am sorry if I have done anything wrong. All I wanted to do here was talk about Project Runway. I know one member told me what to expect when I got here, but for the most part I have ignored it until now. I still do not believe Heidi was in proper judgment when she made those derogatory comments about plus size women. If that is what fashion is, if fashion is only supposed to represent a supposedly "perfect" image and if plus size is the antithesis of that image, then that is unacceptable in my opinion. I am plus size but not by an outrageous amount. Also, I do believe that there are too many good designers getting eliminated from the show. Malan, Bonnie, Katherine and Alison are cases in point. I am seriously doubting whether or not I will watch Project Runway next week because of what I have read here and seen, though upon closer inspection the comment Heidi made initially slipped past me. It was a pleasure to be here, it still is a pleasure to be here, and I appreciate all of you who have given me kind words and compliments. Thanks.
Don't apologize. Almost everybody has either strongly defended or strongly dumped on Vincent at some point. Join the club. Honest opinions are always welcome here.
I know you're distressed about good designers getting the boot, but that's because there ARE so many in this year's field of candidates. It's hard not to get upset when somebody you admire gets auf'd, but the fact remains that, each week, somebody has to go.
Keep on posting. Your opinions are always very insightful and you are a nice voice on this board.
lazylady
August 17, 2006 - 10:11 PM
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I would just like to say to everyone that I am sorry for getting angry about Vincent before. I guess I am just tired of the back and forth sniping that goes on on this board. If I have offended any of you, I am sorry. To my friends, I appreciate your presence here, and I am sorry if I have done anything wrong. All I wanted to do here was talk about Project Runway. I know one member told me what to expect when I got here, but for the most part I have ignored it until now. I still do not believe Heidi was in proper judgment when she made those derogatory comments about plus size women. If that is what fashion is, if fashion is only supposed to represent a supposedly "perfect" image and if plus size is the antithesis of that image, then that is unacceptable in my opinion. I am plus size but not by an outrageous amount. Also, I do believe that there are too many good designers getting eliminated from the show. Malan, Bonnie, Katherine and Alison are cases in point. I am seriously doubting whether or not I will watch Project Runway next week because of what I have read here and seen, though upon closer inspection the comment Heidi made initially slipped past me. It was a pleasure to be here, it still is a pleasure to be here, and I appreciate all of you who have given me kind words and compliments. Thanks.
Hi Pacey
You can't take most of what is posted on this or any other message board too seriously or what is on the show either for that matter.
People discuss, get into arguments, and life goes on here and in real life also.
I doubt anyone here means serious harm to another human.
This is just a place for us to let off steam, vent our anger when we don't agree with the judges, and we don't always agree with what the other says.
It is all in fun, both this board and the show.
Don't let this board keep you from watching a program that you enjoy.
Life is way too short to take something like this seriously.
Have fun with it, laugh at it and if you are angry with the show this is a good place to vent that anger. We all do it at one time or another here.
Take care
LL
Good advice Lazylady. And Pacey, you ought not to censor yourself or feel unwelcome here. Your points are valid, just like the rest of ours, as long as you aren't trying to start a flame up. I'm curious though. What were you told to expect on this board? Was/Is there some reported tendencies about the Bravo Boards?
I, for one, agree with Lazylady. We need and ought to vent here when we don't agree with the judges. It allows us to participate in the show on another level, to form a community of viewers with a common (well, almost) topic of interest, and to have a kind of "lean in" experience with a television program which is usually considered to be "passive viewing." For this reason, the board is invaluable.
I think half the fun of the show is this board where we discuss what happened, our likes and dislikes, talk about the outrageous fashions that do sometimes appear on the runway and the models of course.
For me it is like a grown up cartoon, all fantasy and nothing is real. It is fun, sily, sometimes snarky, but always interesting.
Maybe the designers should make a fashion for each of the judges one week. Now just what color fabric would complement Mr. Kors orange skin?
Laura could make something for Heidi that is cut down to there with bloomer shorts on the bottom lol.
See, this can be fun Pacey! Let your imagination go.
Parnell
August 17, 2006 - 10:11 PM
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I totally agree about Santino. We won't be privy to what happened behind the scenes, but the dancing in the workroom, the Tim Gunn impersonations, all of it endeared him to me. Then watching his visit from Tim...Santino grew up here in my home town. I can almost guarantee he did not mix well with others; he probably was beat up alot and from the sounds of it didn't have a good home life growing up. I don't know any of this for sure, but usually when people act out like he did, it is a scream for attention, love, whatever.
He is an amazing talent. I don't always get his vision, and would never wear it in a million years (it really would look bad on this size 22-24 bod), but the fact that he pushed it every week and then had a beautiful show at the end that was amazing. He learned (whether he would admit it or not) from each challenge and had a show that showed his growth over the course of the season.
I agree with you all about Santino as well. He did have the "I'm smarter than you" attitude that Michael mentioned. But I think that's because he does have this fantastic talent - clearly an artist. I'm sure he recognizes it himself. I personally think that to some extent, his skills were way beyond the challenges on runway - that's why he tried to make them into meta challenges. It was like he was assigned a 5 paragraph essay and would start writing "The Sound and the Fury" to show its meaningless-ness.
Unfortunately, he forgot to speak to his audience and play the game - but he'll still go far, I think.
I may not agree entirely about Santino's genius. I liked him as a designer, but I preferred Daniel V.
I do, however, love the reference to meta-designing, the five paragrapsh essay, and the THE SOUND AND THE FURY. That actually makes sense to me. I can finally understand what people have been saying all along. Thanks.
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August 17, 2006 - 10:13 PM
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I vote everyone shut up about vincent being on the show still, at least he is being creative. Now LAURA, needs to go home, I swear if i see her make another garnment that she has already worn I will hurl.
go drink yourself.
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dcjewbear, the original quote here was from somebody named "seamonkeysinwater" or something like that. The "go drink yourself" was a reference to the water in his name.
lazylady
August 17, 2006 - 10:29 PM
Goodnight everyone, I have meetings most of tomorrow and won't be around much.
Have fun and try to figure out what the challange is for next week.
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August 17, 2006 - 10:33 PM
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She's got a point there ladies and gentlemans...what channel do u think I watch when theres nothing else on OR I've missed some episodes?
She?!?!?
OMG.ROFL,girl.heheh!DCBear is a guy,honey,and from the sound and fury,a pretty hot one....(kicking my high heels in the air....)
Sure you don't mean furry?
Heehee! I just got called hot and furry in one post. That's pretty major so now I can go to bed smug and happy. Oh, the duality of it all!
FoodFanOne
August 17, 2006 - 10:35 PM
Also, Chris, it is always hardest for the posters who are personally acquainted with one of the contestants.
None of us knows who they really are as people; all we know is what we see on the highly edited, deliberately slanted tv show each week. So, where you might say that we are being cruel because we "don't know" that person, that may be true. But, we don't know whether the person is nicer in the flesh than portrayed on the show, or whether he or she is in fact even worse than the show depicts. Our impressions and opinions are formed by what we watch on the boob tube alone, not by any actual human contact with these characters.
So, we "know" these folks and form opinions about them and their talents based upon only that which Bravo chooses to show us about them. We understand that it isn't real and may not accurately portray them, but it's all we've got to go on. And, it is evil fun trashin' and bashin' them each week.
This happened on the Top Chef board, too. Three people there knew Tiffani personally and thought she was a sweet and caring human being, and they were just continually in pain at all the trashing she got. (Richly deserved, too, if you formed your opinion just from the show.) A fourth poster had worked for her and said she was even worse in person. Go figure.
This is just a long-winded way of saying that if you've been in email contact with one of the designers and are becoming friends, better toughen up your skin. The rest of us are commenting based only on what we see in the show, good or bad. If that doesn't match the opinion you're forming, I'm truly sorry. I for one will try to keep that in mind when I post, but you can't expect everybody to do so. They're all going to trash and bash the candidates, all in good and (usually) clean fun, and vent about what they've seen on TV. It is what it is.
Parnell
August 17, 2006 - 10:36 PM
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"It is what it is. "
I see you cant wait for the new season of TC too,lol.
"All this forehead slapping, bodice-ripping sobbing and emoting is really amazing to me. "
Its called passion. People,myself included, get so emotionally involved in these shows and sometimes ya just gotta express yourself.
brillke
I know, I'm very emotionally involved also. (Can't you tell?) But, once the decision has been made, I accept it and don't rail at it angrily. As another poster mentioned, none of these candidates so far would be in the final three anyway, so does the order in which they are auf'd really matter?
The only time I'm ever going to cry "he wuz robbed" is if Michael doesn't make the final 3. Then, you'll be seeing me change my tune really fast and start beating my chest, pulling out my hair, and wailing loudly.
FFI,
Glad to hear you are emotionally invested, too. I was beginning to feel guilty over here for being so distraught and for posting my distaste for the epi's outcome.
It wasn't easy for me to hear the judges explication of their decision. I am slowly coming to terms with it after a night of heavy reading (all these posts!). I realize the judges have had a a basis for each of their choices, sure, but I would have liked to have had it explained more fully. I would like some consistent criteria.
More than that, I would like their reasoning to explain away some of the inconsistencies that many people are pointing out on this board. Like, for example, why past performance is factored in for some designers and not others. What kind of scale are we talking about, exactly?
Finally, at the end of the day, you are right. Many of these perceived loses, these "robberies," are moot points. Bonnie, Katherine, Malan, and (dare I say it?), Alison would not necessarily have made it to the final three. It doesn't really matter at which point they are cut. Unless, you care about the following:
1. The future design challenges that we could have seen Malan, Katherine, Bonnie or Alison create. In this way, we are in a sense "robbed."
2. The explication, rationale, justification for each cut. I love the design aspect of the show and would appreciate a fuller explanation of the judging process.
I recently watched the bonus video and really enjoyed the section where Jeff and Laura are helping each other, discussing design strategy, the creative process, and their workmanship. This was so refreshing!
It made me wish there was more of that "boring" shoptalk left in the episode instead of tacked on to the extras. Call me crazy, but it felt really genuine and fun. Kinda of like when Tom and Jerry actual teamed up and weren't trying to kill each other!!
Songofjoy
August 17, 2006 - 11:04 PM
I agree with you. Any attempt to like Jeffery went out the window when he made the comment that he wished Laura would get a stroke. You don't have to like someone but you should have common values and ethics. There are just some thing you should not say...wishing death on someone is just going too far.
As much as I don't like him, I think he should have won last night. But all the same I think Micheal deserved his win. Everything he's done has been beautiful.
I don't like Vincent and I do not like his taste. He was rude to Angela when he was the team leader and claimed she did not help him when he would not let her do anything. He is wierd and thinks too highly of himself. If I hear about him cashing in his 401K one more time I think I'll scream. That's his bad...maybe the judges are giving him the sympathy vote.
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August 17, 2006 - 11:09 PM
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"It is what it is. "
I see you cant wait for the new season of TC too,lol.
"All this forehead slapping, bodice-ripping sobbing and emoting is really amazing to me. "
Its called passion. People,myself included, get so emotionally involved in these shows and sometimes ya just gotta express yourself.
brillke
I know, I'm very emotionally involved also. (Can't you tell?) But, once the decision has been made, I accept it and don't rail at it angrily. As another poster mentioned, none of these candidates so far would be in the final three anyway, so does the order in which they are auf'd really matter?
The only time I'm ever going to cry "he wuz robbed" is if Michael doesn't make the final 3. Then, you'll be seeing me change my tune really fast and start beating my chest, pulling out my hair, and wailing loudly.
FFI,
Glad to hear you are emotionally invested, too. I was beginning to feel guilty over here for being so distraught and for posting my distaste for the epi's outcome.
It wasn't easy for me to hear the judges explication of their decision. I am slowly coming to terms with it after a night of heavy reading (all these posts!). I realize the judges have had a a basis for each of their choices, sure, but I would have liked to have had it explained more fully. I would like some consistent criteria.
More than that, I would like their reasoning to explain away some of the inconsistencies that many people are pointing out on this board. Like, for example, why past performance is factored in for some designers and not others. What kind of scale are we talking about, exactly?
Finally, at the end of the day, you are right. Many of these perceived loses, these "robberies," are moot points. Bonnie, Katherine, Malan, and (dare I say it?), Alison would not necessarily have made it to the final three. It doesn't really matter at which point they are cut. Unless, you care about the following:
1. The future design challenges that we could have seen Malan, Katherine, Bonnie or Alison create. In this way, we are in a sense "robbed."
2. The explication, rationale, justification for each cut. I love the design aspect of the show and would appreciate a fuller explanation of the judging process.
I think we don't get the full explanation because the judges are pursuing a multi-faceted agenda, here. Some of the really blunt negative comments we did hear this week may have been to scare the designers into putting out their very best effort each week rather than a good-enough-to-get-by effort. The show won't have very much credibility if supposedly strong designers come on and produce crap. That a designer like Kors would lend his name to that would make him a laughingstock.
Also, the advertisers have a lot at stake and need the show to be excellent in order to attract those viewers. I'm sure that is always in the back of the jusges' minds as well. No advertisers, no cushy judging job that incidently promotes their own reputations, too.
Lastly, other top caliber designers watch this show now too. If you believe the press, this show is now the darling of the fashion industry. Unless Kors and Garcia can put the fear of God into these guys so that they turn out spectacular garments, who is going to want to risk their reputations being a guest judge or sponsoring one of the challenges?
Finally, the integrity thing is not just mouthing PC words for the public's benefit. They really mean it, and have to show that they have complete freedom to soundly trash something that is trashworthy. That is what makes their judging worthy of respect. The flip side of the coin is that, when they highly praise something, you know they really mean it. Because they have already shown that they wouldn't hesitate to trash it if it sucked.
As the field of candidates narrows down, I'm sure that we will see more workroom time, Tim time, and judges' discussions per candidate. That is happening already. So, as we get even MORE emotionally invested, the producers will show us more of the reasoning behind the decisions.
swiss74
August 17, 2006 - 11:15 PM
Just accessing...
PACEY
hang in there nothing written here should be taken too seriously, I learned that the hard way. Don't be upset, the effort expended could be better used being positive and staying that way. Look at the posts with humor not as being personal. Hang in there...
eclectic51
August 17, 2006 - 11:33 PM
I liked Jeffrey's dress particularly because of what he did with the top and I appreciated the cool belt. But I don't agree that he should have won just because his outfit was the only one that moved! That's a lousy reason. Jeffrey's dress was made out of newspaper. Of course it's going to move well!
I also don't appreciate it when people stoop so low as to bring ethnicity into explaining a win. It's ignorant to make that kind of remark. It's about as ignorant as people going around asking South Asian people if they are related to Osama Bin Laden. No one goes around asking white people if they are related to Timothy McVeigh.
But I digress. Returning to the outfits tonight, Michael's outfit was gorgeous. I appreciate that he's able to create designs that are sexy but classy. But I agree. A wrap made entirely out of one folded plastic sheet isn't exactly innovative.
Allison was robbed. So her outfit wasn't tailored. Big deal. It was better than Vincent's second grade "let's-glue-everything-we-find" stiff as a cardboard dress.
Though Allison may not have pulled off a stellar execution, she definitely shows more potential than Vincent and potential should be what the show's about.
When Alison was saying her goodbyes,I was glad Keane didn't attack Laura when he could have easily done so, especially after that nasty comment she made to him about his dress. I'm glad he refocused everyone's attention on Alison as it should have been.
Was anyone else surprised that Angela didn't add a mylar rosette to her outfit tonight?
Parnell
August 17, 2006 - 11:34 PM
As the field of candidates narrows down, I'm sure that we will see more workroom time, Tim time, and judges' discussions per candidate. That is happening already. So, as we get even MORE emotionally invested, the producers will show us more of the reasoning behind the decisions.
I hope so!
No doubt these judges and producers have to take many things into consideration for each decision they make: advertisers, personal integrity/credibility within the fashion and television industry, ratings and viewer satisfaction, etc.
All the more reason why I'd like to hear an insider's commentary on what's really going on. Tim's Take helps, yes, but something more integral to the program would be nice. That may be a pipe dream, I realize, for many reasons.
Firstly, they can't fully reveal the "man behind the mask" and keep the shows glossy exterior intact. Secondly, all that detailed explanation would weigh down the show and make it tedious to most viewers. (I'm a design freak, but maybe most viewers tune in for the drama.)
And it is, afterall, a reality show with a stroyline. Even Tim mentions the time constraints and the editing which compromises the "story" they have to tell (podcast). This is a heavily crafted piece of fabrication we are commenting on each week, designed much like the garments we judge on the runway.
Personally, I really enjoy that creative process and the judging of the designs. That's way I love the extra footage. That's why I don't go for the drama as much as the end prodcut.
I don't really care if Laura is a "bad mommy," or if Jeffrey is a passive-aggressive misogynist, or if Alison is vanilla. I fall for the designers work ethic and design.
That's also why I'd like to have something additional to show. Something like the Queer Eye tips between each segment, explaining something pertinent about the industry or the workmanship we witness each week.
For example, our questions about croquis, bobbins, muslin, etc., could all be explained in video shorts aired between commericials. That way the producers and the advertisers are made happy (we stick around during those commericial breaks), the audience feels more informed, and the show is more participatory.
Just a thought, that's all. I'm off to bed. Thanks for listening.
Parnell
August 17, 2006 - 11:38 PM
Typos.....Grrrrr. And I acutally previewed this post!
Parnell
August 17, 2006 - 11:40 PM
"Actually." I rest my case. That's it...I'm going to bed before I dig the hole any deeper. Man, I wish I'd never outed myself as a teacher.
'night FF1, Pacey, John Boy...
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August 18, 2006 - 12:03 AM
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I haven't read all legendary's posts, so I may be off base here, but what I have read seems to indicate soemone who is trying to get a flame war started. First off, people who have wealth and lineage usually find no need to flaunt it on the Internet. They have more self-confidence than to have to proclaim how rich and and how wealthy their lineage is (especially "old money") Also, some of her comments seem to me to be VERY tongue-in-cheek, but definitely meant to stir up controversy. As y'all did with Dee on the Epi 4 board (when she got stuck on the "dogs are not fashion accessories" kick-on the WRONG board!), just ignore her when she is "flaunting" herself....
Well, we we started out that way with Dee, but ultimately we couldn't just ignore her. Since she completely hijacked the board with over 110 rants in 2 days, we clicked on the nice little "Notify Moderator" button at the bottom of the posts, plus all the upset reaction posts, and flooded the Bravo Board Boss with them as well as our personal pleas using the "Contact Us" link below. It became a full-fledged war, and it took everything we've got to get rid of her. It was definitely a group effort.
But you are absolutely right about one thing. Legendary Face isn't worth bothering about. She's a classic twit. Yawn.
philliesmoke
August 18, 2006 - 12:05 AM
The utter idiocy of the recent "judgings" has led me to believe that PR would be a much better show if the viewers were allowed to vote, rather than the producers...
Think about it...a la "American Idol", the winners and losers would be based on votes through a 1-800 number. We could still keep the judges but rather than make/pretend to make the final decisions, they would be there for entertainment purposes only.
The show has become less and less about fashion and more and more about drama. Talented people are kicked off because they are not "interesting" enough, while talentless hacks are left on the show due solely to personality.
Had WE been the judges of this episode:
JEFFREY would and should have won. Yes he is an arrogant [expletive deleted] and not very likeable, but his dress was hands down the best. It looked high fashion, and was something that I could actually see someone wearing to a party (I would never have guessed that it was made out of newspapers either!)
MICHAEL's dress was ok...but would you rather wear that or Jeffrey's, honestly?
ALISON's outfit was terrible, but since Kayne was given a "pass" based on his past performance, she should have recieved one too. Her outfit was no worse than Angela's or Kayne's atrocities.
VINCENT should have been gone long ago. He difinitely should have left before Alison.
Godiva
August 18, 2006 - 12:14 AM
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Was anyone else surprised that Angela didn't add a mylar rosette to her outfit tonight?
She probably couldn't make any with the mylar or paper. Although if she had, how could you tell in that mess? When I saw that thing I thought for sure she would be one of the ones remaining on the runway, along with Vincent's Pop Art and Alison's assymetrical origami project.
I think all three ideas were interesting but all three ideas fell way short in the execution. Angela's time will come. She will never make it to the final three. Or even the final four.
Vincent will probably go next week.
While it was sad to see Alison go, the scores aren't cumulative. Each week it's supposed to be a fresh start. So you could win every week but if one week you are the worst out there, you could be out. That's the point.
Vincent has squeaked by almost every week. Alison may have scored better than him every week. But this week, she was slightly worse than he was.
Next week Vincent will be slightly worse than Robert and Angela.
The week after it will be between Robert and Angela as to who is worse. If there are any YoYos attached in any way to a garment, Angela will be out.
Then Robert.
Jeffrey will be gone somewhere in there.
I think the final fight will be between Laura and Uli, as I think Michael and Kayne will make the final three.
Laura may be strong but I find her consistently boring. I don't get WOW or innovative from her.
I love that Uli isn't afraid of color or pattern. But I also find her designs a little too quiet or safe. I don't see the fashionable WOW there either.
They're both nice and pretty and wearable. Of the two, I'm starting to favor Uli. Laura's "classic" is starting to seem to boring and repetitive to me. And would it be possible for her to wear a dress that isn't cut down to her navel?
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 12:30 AM
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. . .I'd like to have something additional to show. Something like the Queer Eye tips between each segment, explaining something pertinent about the industry or the workmanship we witness each week.
For example, our questions about croquis, bobbins, muslin, etc., could all be explained in video shorts aired between commericials. That way the producers and the advertisers are made happy (we stick around during those commericial breaks), the audience feels more informed, and the show is more participatory.
What an excellent suggestion!
There is a feature on this website to teach sewing terms, but it is a pretty basic tutorial and has nowhere to go for more. You're right. Tips on fabric and clothing care, selecting the right shape and length for your body type, etc. would be nice .. . so long as it doesn't cut into the regular episode time.
I timed the last episode -- 42 1/2 minutes of Episode 306, and another 2 1/2 minutes of recap of Episode 305 and preview of Episode 307. That's 45 minutes out of one hour, and the rest is all commercials. Unless the tips are real quickies, I am reluctant to give up actual show time for them. Perhaps Bravo could shorten the recap of the previous episode to make room for it.
chilove
August 18, 2006 - 12:42 AM
I so agree with your assessment and think the judges should all be forced to wear Vincent's outfit for letting him go through and not giving Alison a pass. The producers must have had some input and thought Vincent provided more drama. It's so unfair. The only saving grace is that now Alison can quickly launch her own line and we can all start wearing her designs. You go girl!
FIT2Btied
August 18, 2006 - 01:14 AM
I must admit I'm from the South. I packed my bag and New York accent (and attitude) and moved here several years ago. This is my first year watching PROJECT RUNWAY. My friends said it would be entertaining and together we watched the initial episode of season 3. They left me alone after that night.
I have oft walked past Parsons in the past and never knew that such "goings on" would occur within its hallowed portals.
I've read a random selection of mesages on this board. It reinforces that we are all wonderful in our selective "tastes" -some cerebral others basic. I'm just an average person, but have questions about the show in general. Before I get into the origram
I have a few observations about the "hosts", Heidi &
Tim.
Why is Heidi Klum a judge? Is she not a "MODEL"? As such she is paid as an object to wear articles her employer choses her to model. We know she wears them well, but she wears some terrible "stuff" on this program. Is she qualified to be a judge? I'm still trying to figure out if she has an accent or a speach impediment. ("pins and needoos") -She should be the Hotess but not a judge.
Now - TIM - Love him - But why does he come in when the "designers" have only two hours or less? Mentoring? or dropping in after a coktail hour in the neighborhood? There are a few bars 'round there. It is a good time to lean against a table to take notes for his semi-blog. [Cheers!] --- Message is that Tim was right too --- Judges - Tim has said,"Don't bore Nina!" Maybe he is a good mentor.
Judges- Why don't they change every episode -??? I mean them ALL -
Suggestion -Heidi = Host, not judge (let's laugh at her speach and costume)
Tim = A real mentor - instead of a Shopping nanny (we've got a chuckle here)
And Judges that change every episode - All judges!
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smkr4
August 18, 2006 - 02:11 AM
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So you could win every week but if one week you are the worst out there, you could be out. That's the point.
I disagree, and I think the judges do too. Hence Kors's comment about Kayne -- paraphrasing, "but he knows how to make clothes." And so, he scraped by.
The problem with the "fresh start" theory is that it leads to a tyranny of mediocrity. The good designers have a bad day and get kicked out, others just make it and squeak through week after week.
The problem is bad enough as it is -- look at how long Kara (ugh!) lasted in the last show.
It's my feeling that the designers should be cast out for displaying "fundamental" problems. People who don't understand form and fit, can't reliably construct well-made clothes, don't get the "big picture" -- out with them, and pronto.
Otherwise, bygones need to be bygones or Olympus fashion week will truly stink.
notevayas
August 18, 2006 - 02:17 AM
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FF1 says..
As the field of candidates narrows down, I'm sure that we will see more workroom time, Tim time, and judges' discussions per candidate. That is happening already. So, as we get even MORE emotionally invested, the producers will show us more of the reasoning behind the decisions.
It's great to come back from my no-tech vacation and see that the level of discussion on the boards is still high.
I have missed two episodes, but have listened to Tim Gunn's podcasts and "rated the runway" and scanned a few reviews. While I am still missing Malan and Keith, the loss of Stacey, Katherine, Bonnie, Bradley and Allison leaves me unmoved. I will not much miss Vincent or Angela, who I hope are the next to go, though they are certainly interesting people with some talent that they can build on. (I did see Vincent's video.. cute butt.)
Allison's outfit did not fit her model well, but neither did Vincents. (Kayne squeaked by with good construction and fit.) I really think that either Allison or Vincent could have gone and that Vincent stayed for his dramatic potential. (If Allison had made Vincent's stiff "arty" sheath and Jeffrey had made Allison's asymetrical paper frock, opinions might more favor the sheath. It was not as ugly as the yellow frock, especially styled with the ugly hair bow.)
What I did not like about Allison was how she changed models after having her first model's hair teased up so drastically for the dogwalking outfit challenge. Her dogwalking model was then eliminated because no one wanted the model with the overteased hair. I'll bet no one will want her "zaftig?" model with the puffed bow hair next time either. Surely Michael will stay with Nazri if at all possible anyway.
When I left for NH and ME, the big controversy was Keith's CRIME and PUNISHMENT. I guess a tie-in between Keith and Allison was that in "Road to Runway" Tim was shown favorable to each of them, Keith because of his "powerful" presence, and Allison because she was (gasp!) both talented and "nice". It didn't hurt that they were both so photogenic either! This is a television programme!
Of course "Road to Runway" was edited after the Season 3 was finished, so we have Nina's "sage" comment about Keith being "tricky" to impress us..
Sometimes it's hard for me to be objective about this show! I was so sure that Angela had nothing to contribute when Malan was auffed instead of her, and yet, she did. I was sure that Robert Best would be shepharded through to the final three like Dan V., but he has been on the chopping block twice, while Michael Knight has gotten 2 Kudos from Michael Kors! Outstanding!
Michael, Laura and Uli remain my favorites. Jeffery seems so talented but so mean. I can see how someone like Laura could get up his nose, but his misogyny seems generalized. To call Angela a Nazi-anything was so preposterous. The word feminazi not only slurs all feminists, but trivializes the terror and havoc caused by real Nazi's. My guy says when he was young, people called people they disagreed with facists, over even trivial disputes. But I don't think it's the same thing. No one said femfacists I don't think. And yet I can see the yen for a word to describe women who are manipulative and abusive of power. I would suggest "fembots" from the Austin Powers movie. A gay guy surely designed their "lingerie".
Words can hurt. But from what I could read just scanning the board has risen above the muck. I like the strong opinions even when I disagree. For example: I don't think Heidi Klum meant to insult larger women. I think she just meant that no matter what size a woman is, she doesn't want clothes that make her look much larger than she is. Obesity is an epidemic in this country, and I am realizing now how arrogant I was to assume everyone could just run calories off. Anywayhow, I like that people are talking about issues related to aspects of the show that are not strictly design. I am an issues person, and am able to change my mind when faced with new evidence.
I have changed my mind about Kayne's personality. He handled his situation well with his disaster trash dress. And it was funny seeing him twisting off bottlecaps and talking about growing up "trash". He is so clearly Not. I just wish I could say the same for some of his designs! I laughed so hard when Tim was describing his reaction to the skirt portion of Kayne's latest creation. I would have loved to see his face when confronted by such a sight. Oh well, thank goodness for re-runs!
Well, it's late/early but we're still on vacation until Monday so... back to sleep! Goodmorning all!
notevayas
smkr4
August 18, 2006 - 02:19 AM
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The utter idiocy of the recent "judgings" has led me to believe that PR would be a much better show if the viewers were allowed to vote, rather than the producers...
Absolute, unadulterated insanity. Anyone can plainly see that what makes Project Runway great is that, to a large extent, the designers are judged on technical merits and not on popularity.
The judging is not about drama. Anyone can watch any episode and see a major qualitative difference between the winners and the losers. Many of the judges have limited time on the show and, frankly, are too rich and powerful to give a [censored] about any "drama."
Look at the episodes so far. All the outfits that lost were just absolute stinkers. You can quibble over who gets a pass or not, but -- ultimately -- that's just "grading on a bell curve" and the experts are better qualified to do that than you or I.
gabe
August 18, 2006 - 03:28 AM
Heidi Klum is not the 'host' of the show. She is the creator and executive producer of the show with the Weinstein brothers. It's her show. She has an accent not a speech impediment because she is.. ummm...like...German.
And to all the people who sent me personal posts about how dare you you east coast snobs who spend 10,00 on clothes who cares blah blah. You missed my point entirely. Or made it actually. I was re-plying to a post from someone who said Bravo was losing an ENTIRE demographic of purchasers because Alison left and how dare..blah blah . I said they were NOT losing any demographics with buying power over a silly TV show. And the amount spent on clothes was NOT the point. Some of you are so personally offended all the time it is amazing. Spending that much on clothes is not weird or rich or extravagant. Add up what you spend. It is a lot more then you think. People spend 1.000 on clothing items sometimes, people spend 10,000, people spend 100,000. If it is not you, fine, But people do. A 3-400 jacket, a suit for 200, some shoes you like for 100. It adds up. And it is not a 'rich' person thing. Kids everywhere are walking around in jeans from A&F that cost $150 and 200 sneakers and on sale at every mall in this country.
The arguments here have become kind of about socio/economic stuff in some way. Us versus THEM and the us's seem to be people incredibly sensitive to discussion to money and weight and class. Odd. I means notes about "a target on my back"??!!! It took ten minutes over coffee to even figure who this person was and to figure out she thought I was actually referring to her in some way when I had not even given them a thought. I was simply commenting on the overwrought people screaming in all these dramatic posts about how they "will NEVER watch Bravo again and I am writing letters/boycotting and omg how could they???" Telling someone to get up from the computer and read a book instead and relax was just that. A comment, nothing more nothing less. Not personal at all. How many WHO took the time to email that I should go read a book so THERE. Priceless.
To lump that in with the person writing snarky coments about 'I am off to Essex House and I am a rich [expletive deleted].' Lol. Relax. Even I was laughing about that. Essex House, folks, ain't nothing more than a WAY overpriced tourist place owned by the folks from Dubai now. And for those who know, Alain Ducasse is NOT in the kitchen anymore and their stars are down to about 2. Very much a yesterday dining spot. A telling sign that Legendary Face is not quite as au courant as they think. You take your parents there if you don't know any truly hip great food places of the moment. But hey, the hotel is beautiful.
By the way. The whole 'Laura earth mother what a body 6 kids let her bitchy thing go that how moms are' thing? Laura is the mother TO six kids. She did not have 6. She only had 1 or 2. She is the younger wife of an older successful man-Peter Shelton and they are not ALL hers. She MARRIED very well. He is fabulous and his architectural firm Shelton/Mindel where he gave her a part time job, is one of the most succesful and amazing in the world. Absolutely world class. She dabbles in jewlery and now wants to dabble in fashion. Trust me-she totally knows what she is doing on the show with her arch, rude and at times rather vicious comments. She moves in a very rarified NYC and art world circle and knows EXACTLY what she is doing. Wearing a complete riding habit for a run over to Parsons??? ROFLMAO. Please. NOTHING she does is accidental. Women here, despite what people think, unless they are actually heading up to Claremont Stables to ride do NOT stride around the streets of Manhattan in their riding outfits. It would be considered quite odd but she is all about effect. Bringing her LV trunks to go 20 blocks away for a month or so. It is all very calculated on her part. WHO is taking care of 'her' kids while she is gone? Most probably do not even live at home and trust me, even when she is home she is not the one taking care of them.
Upcoming challenge-peoples Moms? Uh-Uh. Let's not assume they all have Moms or talk to them or they are available to be dressed up and paraded down a runway looking fashionable Not happening anytime soon.
mainer
August 18, 2006 - 04:01 AM
i am not an east coast snob........ born n bred in manhattan ,worked in the mid town area for yrs. this is a country of different people and ways of living n thinking. i now live in maine and when i first got here was looked down on because i dont wear flannel n denim.(only by the locals. i live in a college town with people from all over the U.S. . We are called people from away grrrrrrrrrrrr. how ignorant........ but thats how some are. i think laura is great. like me n lots of women from all over the country we speak up for ourselves( that doesnt make us bitches) just women that dont need a man to tell us what to do. i have raised my 3 daughters the same way n hubby doesnt have a problem at all. they are college graduates 2 live here in maine n one in NJ . what some spend on clothes is none of my business . no rich [expletive deleted] here...... dont have an essex house to go to but would love some good NY food. i dream of pizza , china town, n little italy. lobsters are good but i need variety. contrary to opinions people of Ny are friendly n very accepting of all.
i love PR tough upset over allison going but the dress was horrible would like to see them get back to some real designing that will show off all talents. love robert n laura. vincent has to go same with fould mouthed jeffery. robert better wake up or barbie will fire him. uli needs to make some thing other than a halter dress.surprised not one judge has commented on that fact.
oh well this NYER will continue to dream of good food n wear what i like though thank god for LL Beam they keep me warm and shod all seasons.
ps...........my shoes cost over 100 bucks my feet demands good shoes. beeter shoes last last longer n feel sooooooooo goodthe word from me is tolerance for all
ex nyer stuck in maine
Raymondo
August 18, 2006 - 04:04 AM
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Let's talk about the bottom three;
This week we're aghast and do agree
The judges' decision was really tough,
Three quite bad dresses made it rough.
A stunning bomb by two of three,
and one effort that's a mystery.
Kayne's gown was just a lime green mess
Made worse by his model's laquered tress.
He admitted that it really stunk
And whined about having to sew this junk.
The judges nearly barfed, you see,
But Kayne's talent squeaked him through home free.
Vincent made a tall white hash
of a gown with stripes and oddball trash.
He sent it down the runway slow
The better for this confection to show.
The judges flinched involuntarily;
Why they kept him, I don't see.
Allison made a yellow gown,
Not one you'd wear around the town.
With poofy skirt and wrinkled top,
A strange and sculptured marshmallow frock.
With MInnie Mouse hair and thicker waist,
Her model added to the distaste.
All in all, quite a difficult task;
Who should the judges continue to let bask
In the glory of the runway light
For another competition night?
No matter who they chose to go,
Many fans would cry and scream "oh nooooooo."
Wouldn't want top be in their shoes;
The choice that faced them could only lose
The respect of fans of the booted one,
This time the decision was hardly fun.
To have three people on the floor
As candidates for out the door.
Have mercy on these poor, fine peeps;
They did their best, knowing they'd face heaps
Of criticism from the many folks
Who think their decisions are just jokes.
They're doing their job, it's just a show.
Lighten up, it's just fashion, don't ya know!
I feel like I've been knocked out by George Forman(or one of his grills),that was amazing!The new champ(again!)FF1!
Raymondo
August 18, 2006 - 04:18 AM
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That's also why I'd like to have something additional to show. Something like the Queer Eye tips between each segment, explaining something pertinent about the industry or the workmanship we witness each week.
For example, our questions about croquis, bobbins, muslin, etc., could all be explained in video shorts aired between commericials. That way the producers and the advertisers are made happy (we stick around during those commericial breaks), the audience feels more informed, and the show is more participatory.
Just a thought, that's all. I'm off to bed. Thanks for listening.
Yes would love to see a short tip on how Angela makes her rosettes(groan),or how Vincent would explain taking your 'talent' to another 'place','get turned on by your work'...
Or how about a short with Jeffrey calmly showing Angela how to thread the machine,while Laura stands over him with a plunging neckline and holding her riding crop,yeah baby!That's the extra I wanna see.(Insert a sarcastic though friendly tone here)
JacksonReid
August 18, 2006 - 04:49 AM
To quote any particular Board entry would be impossible. It's a dizzying collection of observational commentary and opinionated assaults. <sigh> So much attention whoring to sift through. But I'd be remiss if I didn't take part in this aspect of my favourite show on TV, so here goes...
Yuppers... Kayne's dress (I use the term loosely) was a disaster, but I give him credit for admitting it, outright. (At least, the back had some flair to it, even if you had to strain your eyes to see the detail.)
And Allison's departure had me stumped. If I recall, she's had consistently excellent creations, every week. And Vincent has had consistently bad creations, every week. I don't understand why, of the two of them, she was given the boot, and he was kept on. Even if it was a toss-of-the-coin as to which of the two worst outfits had to Auf a designer, the choice was unforgiveable. If Kayne was given recognition for his talent and potential (which I agree with), why wasn't the same courtesy given to Allison?
Although I'm not a fan of Jeffrey, I really thought he nailed the challenge. Not to take away from Michael (or Laura, for that matter), but it was hot, believable and modern. But I guess realism won-out. Hence, Michael edged him out.
I'm sorry to admit that my faves for the Final 4 are starting to fade. I was hoping for Kayne, Michael, Robert and Laura. But the heat is on. I'm not too sure of that combo, anymore.
damselfly
August 18, 2006 - 04:55 AM
Wow, well it's obvious to me that some people are more sensitive than others and thats what all the weight and money etc post are about but lets be honest here, thats what these boards are for people, an outlet. You, like everyone else, obviously come here to read and share opinions and ideas.
I don't know about the personal posts you've been recieving. I woke up this morning and read the big one I'm responding to.
Having been a part of several dicussions over the past couple of days I think that everyone knows Hiedi's importance and role in the show, THAT is why they want her to be a touch more sensitive. She has a varying audience, and as someone who has a personal investment in the show she needs to be careful.
As for what people spend on clothing, I will repeat what I said in prior post. It's not what you spend it's how you use it. If it was all about what you spend designers like Issac Mizrahi or Keanan Duffty wouldn't be wasting there time with Target. You are right about what you spend on clothing adding up...I think what matters is what you get for that money. If it's a really great suit then great, or if it's 6 amazing tops for the same amount. That's the whole money thing I think it's all relevant to who you are...I think that's what you're trying to say...maybe...
As far as the Essex House post...that person dug their own hole with prior posts. NOBODY was responding to them out of jealousy or envy or even thinking that they were some better off. All the nasty remarks about them had to do with tone...tone being the same reason I felt compelled to respond to you.
Laura is great, be she a savy business person or a good mom...there have been many defending her on this board. Me being one of them.
And as far as speculation about next week, why don't YOU not assume that they don't have moms or loved ones in their lives that want to participate in something that is important to them. It may not be next weeks challenge but thats the fun on this board, we like to do detective work and try to figure it out...its called fun.
JustAhomeCook
August 18, 2006 - 05:02 AM
Talented Alison got the boot, while that walking joke Vincent stayed??? There's no way that this could have been "just" a lapse in judgement -- it stinks like dead fish, and I'd be willing to bet the producers applied pressure to keep the "comic relief" around. I'm firmly convinced that Vincent could have sent a girl down the runway wearing nothing but chewing gum, silly string, and spit, and he would have stayed for exactly this reason -- that a designer as promising as Alison had to be the sacrificial lamb makes it that much more disgusting.
I wish I could also say that I wont watch the show anymore, after this week's travesty. Unfortunately I'm hooked, so I know I'll keep watching. But my respect for the judges and my belief in the show's integrity have now dropped to nearly ZERO!
Alison my dear, you got burned. Period. But they say that living well is the best revenge, so best of luck to you in proving PR wrong!
Carole
August 18, 2006 - 05:06 AM
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"Unfortunately, by losing Alison BRAVO TV loses the demographic of normal mainstream professional women's audience who were actually interested in the substance. "
OMG! Are you people serious? ROFLMAO. If you want substance go open a book, read the NYTimes or watch PBS Frontline.By the way I have done all three and still find time while waiting for a cab to look at the Enquirer. Pop culture folks. There is not SUPPOSED to be any substance here!!! Not one single person in 3 seasons has taken off as an actual designer and MOST of them have made a small cottage industry off their connection to the SHOW. Appearances as former contestants, blogging on other sites, interviews and commentary on the current season etc. Not actual fashion. Not even the winners. NO ONE any where is wearing their current mainstream readily available clothes. It's a TV show. A TV SHOW. I spend over $10,000 a year on clothes (actually if I start adding it is way more) and if you think I will stop watching any Bravo because they kicked off a 23 year old sneaker wear designer who made the fugliest paper dress ever you need to get a life. It's a TV episode. Each one judged each week. No points from the week before! Worst one that week is supposed to go. To sit there in Iowa and make remarks about how dare Nina judge clothes and what do these people think and I am BOYCOTTING Bravo. I cannot get over what you people put passion into. "I am a plus size women and how dare Heidi....blah blah blah." WOW. Put that much energy and passion into getting UP from the computer and you might NOT be. Insults as to who is a 'newbie' poster and all. I guess I should stop being amazed by now but it is even more interesting then the show.
This whole culture that has grown around a silly entertaining TV show...Heidi Klum you are gorgeous and SMART like a fox!!! You go girl. Fabulous business choices.
I will continue to watch and enjoy and will save letter writing, boycotting and screaming at people over things that really matter in my life. Starving children in Africa maybe? Cliched as it may be but where is the Darfur message board. All you people screaming about writing to Bravo-when is the last time you wrote to one of your political representatives about something that effects your REAL life? I did last week and it's a good thing. Lol. You may claim that what is going on in Africa does not affect your life but you know what. Nina picking Michael over Jeffrey does not affect your life either!
The board has jumped the shark this season. When did it go from juicy silly commentary on a silly TV show to people LOSING THEIR FAITH IN HUMANITY. Lol. Love it. I enjoyed making snarky commments once a week on each episode. But when I read what people are saying and the fighting and name calling. Wow. Time for a little show called Reality Check.
Although I agree with many of your comments, lots of us on this board are using Project Runway as a way to AVOID reality for a little while. Many of us have jobs, spouses, homes to clean, etc. Yes, we worry about starvation, war, terrorists, etc., but as those have always been with us and Project Runway is a bit of fun fluff, we throw ourselves passionately at it for serious FUN. And, as well, I enjoy the posts from others who have the same interest as I; we all like to look as good as we can so we are interested in "fashion". We are not here to discuss Darfur, or God forbid, animal rights.
maxximo
August 18, 2006 - 05:18 AM
"I wish I could also say that I wont watch the show anymore, after this week's travesty. Unfortunately I'm hooked, so I know I'll keep watching. But my respect for the judges and my belief in the show's integrity have now dropped to nearly ZERO! "
Wow. I just read like 50 hysterical posts about quitting as viewers, what were the judges thinking and how talented Alison is. I was kind of wondering if anyone is actual willing to put their money where their mouth is:
http://www.dahlclothes.com/currentcollection.htmlhttp://www.dahlclothes.com/currentcollection.htmlWill any of you be appearing soon in your hometown wearing ANY of these fugly clothes? Talk about ugly and unflattering. I am particulary wondering how you will be accesorizing the horrible black and blue thing with the giant shoulder wings. Talk about ill fitting. Oh wait-wasn't it VINCENT who was going to be shot for the dress with wings!!!
Gabe-agree with you on the Laura thing. She is a snake on a plane, oh wait no, a snake with a plan. The riding outfit killed me. And yes Shelton is a breathtaking firm. Look at their stuff online. God i would have them do a place for me in a minute. LB is the second comfy wife and not to worried about protecting the cubs back home!
LegendaryFace. No one goes to dinner in NYC at 5 and is home at 9. Try harder next time and pick a better restaraunt.
Happy Friday all.
And I am serious about Alison. Someone tell me you would walk down the street for one minute in ANY of those outfits. And do NOT tell me your 15 year old might. Unless they are the geek hanging at the cut rate Renaissance Festival who could not hire a costume person I think NOT!
Raymondo
August 18, 2006 - 05:24 AM
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Wow, well it's obvious to me that some people are more sensitive than others and thats what all the weight and money etc post are about but lets be honest here, thats what these boards are for people, an outlet. You, like everyone else, obviously come here to read and share opinions and ideas.
I don't know about the personal posts you've been recieving. I woke up this morning and read the big one I'm responding to.
Having been a part of several dicussions over the past couple of days I think that everyone knows Hiedi's importance and role in the show, THAT is why they want her to be a touch more sensitive. She has a varying audience, and as someone who has a personal investment in the show she needs to be careful.
As for what people spend on clothing, I will repeat what I said in prior post. It's not what you spend it's how you use it. If it was all about what you spend designers like Issac Mizrahi or Keanan Duffty wouldn't be wasting there time with Target. You are right about what you spend on clothing adding up...I think what matters is what you get for that money. If it's a really great suit then great, or if it's 6 amazing tops for the same amount. That's the whole money thing I think it's all relevant to who you are...I think that's what you're trying to say...maybe...
As far as the Essex House post...that person dug their own hole with prior posts. NOBODY was responding to them out of jealousy or envy or even thinking that they were some better off. All the nasty remarks about them had to do with tone...tone being the same reason I felt compelled to respond to you.
Laura is great, be she a savy business person or a good mom...there have been many defending her on this board. Me being one of them.
And as far as speculation about next week, why don't YOU not assume that they don't have moms or loved ones in their lives that want to participate in something that is important to them. It may not be next weeks challenge but thats the fun on this board, we like to do detective work and try to figure it out...its called fun.
Three words about you Damselfly:FAB-U-Lous!
Here's the real next challenge:Design an outfit that will compliment the fake tans of the judges....
Carole
August 18, 2006 - 05:24 AM
I agree with you all about Santino as well. He did have the "I'm smarter than you" attitude that Michael mentioned. But I think that's because he does have this fantastic talent - clearly an artist. I'm sure he recognizes it himself. I personally think that to some extent, his skills were way beyond the challenges on runway - that's why he tried to make them into meta challenges. It was like he was assigned a 5 paragraph essay and would start writing "The Sound and the Fury" to show its meaningless-ness.
Unfortunately, he forgot to speak to his audience and play the game - but he'll still go far, I think.
Are we forgetting what he did to Kara Janx? How he couldn't sew? How he didn't even try his final runway dresses on a live model so the boobs would fit? He was the Jeffrey of last season, only Jeffrey can probably sew better.
GaryA
August 18, 2006 - 05:33 AM
I am steamed that Alison got Auf'd instead of Vincent. This is a clear case of the producers more interested in the designers' on-screen antics than their abilities. I hope this trend does not continue, or it will ruin the show. I'm a rabid fan, but I won't be if these kinds of decision continue.
Carole
August 18, 2006 - 05:44 AM
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This is the last thing I am going to say about Vincent. If he is a nut, so am I. If he is a PITA, if he is arrogant, egotistical and crazy, so am I. Enough said.
Yeah, but we LIKE you.
karing
August 18, 2006 - 05:48 AM
It really is a pain in the booty to navigate around these boards. This is one of the worst community bulletin boards I have seen.
Back to Project Runway: I got more and more nervous watching the show because of the amount of face time Allison was getting. This is not a new theory, but I believe there is a correlation between face time and who gets kicked off and who will be the top three. It applies to time in the design room as well as these little one-on-one asides the producers do.
I realized Allison's dress was bad enough and she was on camera a a lot; that told me she was going to get kicked off (even though I disagreed with the judge's decision, you still saw it coming)
Vincent and Robert will go, soon, if my theory is correct.
Jeffrey gets a lot of face time, each episode. So does Kayne, and Laura, also Michael (lately, that is.... he had almost none the first 3 episodes)
I am guessing the final 3 will be from among those 4 designers. Sorry for all you Angela and Uli fans (are there any Angela fans?)
hiketheat
August 18, 2006 - 06:01 AM
This is my first time to chime in, but unlike the majority of the first time posters in this thread, I am not logging in to say I will 'never watch again.'
While I agree that Vincent should have been out, and that many of his styling choices are odd, I think the criticism of his talent is way overboard. If you really look closely at his dresses, he makes some really good and innovative construction choices. I might not buy into his overall aesthetic, but I think that is more a matter of taste than talent. I can completely see how he at one time was a good designer.
I was also not overly wowed by Allison. Her styling choices were much more to my liking, but I would not call her work particularly innovative. More 'today,' yes. But I do not think she deserved the top three by any means. (I would put Michael, Uli, and undecided in the top three at this point).
Also, I also am frankly amused by the indignation on this board about Allison's dismissal, and that a reality television program, would 'gasp' try to manufacture drama. Like PR is somehow above the fray of common television production decisions.
And, I am likewise amused by the outrage over Heidi's observation that Allison's dress made her model look 'plus size.' Which it did. I think that was a very realistic assessment, that reflected the well-established body-standards of the fashion industry. Somehow taking that comment to be offensive to all plus-size women in the nation seems a bit much.
So to sum up, I for one will be tuning in on Wednesday, hoping Michael makes it three in a row!
Carole
August 18, 2006 - 06:19 AM
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Bravo from the Essex House!!!
Thanks! Eeek, the Essex House? Please tell me you're not having dinner with what's-her-Face.
No, I'm alone. I like to come over in my riding habit and look at all the legendary faces, while I dine. A large-toed woman showed me to a very nice table this evening.
I'm hysterical!