Well you guys I'm out meeting some friends at the Blue Owl for drinks. See you Later Dams,Food,Gina and the Hag!

Boy, I need a cheeseburger after all that. Brillke, fire up that grille!

Sad
Misdirected
"Artsy"
Fashionably-challenged
Disillusioned....(anybody can jump in anytime)

Re: Grandm. Sorry, I replied before I read the posts regarding how we have to be nice. I am not really good at turning the other cheek and I rarely assume that people are suicidal if not treated well by me. My personality is more like Laura's: bring it on!

Oh no it is just like PR except sub Chef for Designers and Food for clothing. Loved it so much, I completly have a new kitchen. Went out and got all new cookware,everything and am loving cooking now. Wish I could say the same for sewing but that I only enjoy watching.

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I cannot afford to watch, then. I can't afford a new kitchen -or even a new saucepan - after all the fabric I have bought (but of course not yet sewn) since watching PR!

http://www.myspace.com/vincentlibretti
Try this link. It should take you there. The red dress IS beautiful. The cut and shaping, just wonderful. The black is gorgeous also, wonderful cut but I do not like the silver.

Angela's clothes for sale are just godawful Shredded hippie crafty and no tailoring at all. I think we all can tell she is not lying when she says she does not sketch and why she does not know how to cut a pattern or use a machine. She does kitchen craft design. She cuts and shreds and tacks on and calls it fashion. And I KNOW there is a glue gun and stapler somewhwere in her workroom!

Alisons stuff. Phew. That Lost collection is just so aptly named. I cannot get over how ill fitting that horrible black and blue shirt thing is or the terrible jester jacket on crack.

I think when you look at what the designers actually make in real life and sell you get a MUCH better sense of why the judges give such kudos to the pieces that come down the runway and are imeccable like Michaels short outfit. Michael's three piece recycle was put togther beautifully. In a much more polished way then Jeffrey's rock and roll painted newspaper thing. J's piece was creative and they liked that. But if you looked at Michaels it was sewn and tailored and put together like the finest outfit. If you noticed the stylist said she could have walked out the door in Michael's pieces.

My friend who works on production there says the judging is MUCH more extensive then we see. We get the filtered wrap up of comments. But they spend a GREAT amount of time looking and discussing and it takes hours before the whole challenge is judged. And they consistently like pieces season after season that are beautifully made even if they are simple. Like Vincents Miss USA dress. We may not have liked the color little wings etc. But the judges 2 feet away said how perfectly and beautifully it was cut and sewn. . Often the secret to great clothes is in a grea tailor. My 14 yr old has used a tailor since he was 5 and understands that $10 spent on the perfect alteration makes all the difference in the world.

Oh, I know...your the one whose insipred our change of face...I wasn't trying to imply that you were being mean

It's not FAIR? She called me an old bitter hag! What if I want to slit MY wrists? (Don't get excited, instead I will just have a large pitcher of Project Punch.)

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Well, are you one?...J/K....hey, don't hog the punch

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Well on that note I think I will bow out for now. Bye, everyone!

What are you going to sew? If you don't mind my asking...and the whole board knowing...

i just watched a rerun of project runway--missed it on wednesday night. i can NOT believe alison got kicked off. i had to join this board to rant to someone. i do not understand what the judges were thinking! besides the obnoxious outfits designed by angela and vincent, robert has been in the bottom two for the past two weeks and is still in it. how does that happen?

it makes me question the real purpose of the show--to showcase talented designers, or showcase obnoxious personalities (angela and vincent) that don't mix well with others in order to boost drama. poorly done judges! any way alison can come back???

Sorry. I posted before I read the rest of the thread.

"I'd like to know the scoring system, too (a PP mentioned this a page or 2 back, sorry Ididn't get your name!)

I think it would be great if the scores were posted on the PR site.

I'm also curious as to the sequence of events when putting the show together. Silly me, I think I've always assumed that each episode is edited and put in the can after each challenge. But, I just realized that it's likely that they film the entire season, find the winner and use this info to select the snippets they include in each episode.

Thoughts? "

Sorry if I'm pulling the conversation back a few pages, but I wanted to reply to this point. I think the editing is cumulative, and I've often wondered when/how they get these designers to comment on stuff before the outcomes. They must have to stop the clock in mid-workshop to get face-to-face interviews, etc. Sometimes the comments seem so uncanny (for instance, "I know I'm going to win"---and then that poor designer loses that week).

Also, I really like the idea of public viewings of the score cards. That goes right along with my wish to see more design focus on the show.

I'd like to have to have a slower runway walk, and one that isn't speeded up the way Tim's podcast suggests it was this week. A sense of real-time runway and more scrutiny time on the runway would really help us couch-judges sink our teeth in even more!

I'd like more close ups of the clothing, more commentary, more Q&A, more defense and explication from the designers, and a fly-on-the-wall seat during those judging caucuses.

Let them verbally tear apart Bradley's space cadet top, let the feathers and fur fly!!!

About Waste Not, Want Not--my friend said it the best:

Kayne of Many Colors
August 17, 2006
Dear Fashionistas,

I am going to get this off my chest right away. (No, Laura, not talking about you…yet.) I was entirely offended by the judges lack of tact about the plus size girl. Heidi, fraulein, I hope the baby weight stays on you. The way you said "She looks like a plus model" seemed almost offensive. I always like you, but you were rude tonight. This is why little girls are puking in the bathroom.
The dress was not figure flattering, but "plus size"??? Have you not been in the real world? What this challenge tells me is that it’s a bigger shame to look “fat” (not at all, but that was the prevailing sentiment) than it is to look baboon-[censored]-flinging insane. That is a CRIME. I do not need a TV show telling me or anyone that fat is a size 4. This country has a problem with the disparity between the freakishly emaciated "ideal" and the freakishly obese "reality". Back in the 50's--and even 80's--models were pretty, but didn't look 10 sizes smaller than the average American woman. Sick, sick, sick.

Nina has problems pronouncing words. An example would be “difFEEculltee.” Her accents are on the wrong syllables.

Rachel Zoe: I cannot believe they let this woman be a judge on the show. All she does is slap giant handbags and sunglasses on emaciated it-girls, puts them in a tanning bed, and then gives them a gram of coke (is that what coke is measured in? I don't even know), and she's allowed to judge actual creative people's designs.

When the designers were driving through New Jersey and Allison was humming The Sopranos theme, I wondered if the challenge would be to design for a mobster.

Kayne: Can you say “leprechaun domestic violence?” I was so afraid he was going home when I saw his green fairy monstrosity. He was very VERY lucky. His self awareness (not to mention his prior record) saved him. He knew it was heinous, so I'm glad he survived that monstrosity. There's something to be said for someone who knows when they've driven the truck clean off the road. They can learn from the experience.
It's not easy being green. You are becoming a prissy [expletive deleted] though. Better watch it. You don't want to be berated by Laura about your design choices on camera, but you have no problem being personally insulting and belittling on camera about Laura. You're a hypocrite and a whiner. If you don’t get nicer, you can sashay on back to OK any time.

Vinsanity: If I have to hear Vincent describe his design “turning him on” or “getting him off” one more time, I swear I may vomit into my mouth. As it is, I think I just turned celibate. Makes me feel icky. Like I need to point at the doll where the bad man touched me.
And his comments are so early ‘70s. I expect him to come out w/ “groovy” anytime. I can't believe Vincent continues to pull a free pass out of his ass each week. Do the judges not consider stuff that people have made before when they decide who to send home? Kayne's dress was worse than Allison's. (I will address THAT shortly.) Vincent's was just pure crap, like someone's art project. It's like when kids draw on those giant rolls of paper...only he wrapped it around someone. Or what Carrie would have looked like if instead of pig's blood, she was deluged with tons of Elmer’s Glue and leftover pre-schooler art supplies. Subtitle that "dress" “Running with Scissors and Glue.”
He’s been in the bottom two practically every week, hasn't shown any real potential, isn't funny, certainly isn't easy on the eyes... why is he still here?!? He is like a bad boyfriend, oh yes, he has potential but he never really is successful at anything. The judges need to call it what it is and break up with him.
Vincent looks like Jeff Conaway twenty-five years, twenty-five pounds, and several 12 step programs after Grease hit cable, and Taxi went into syndication. Better yet, Court, it came to me last night—GUY WINTERS!! That is who he reminds me of!! (His voice, his mouth, his eyes, not the voices in his head.)

Allison: Clearly the overall better designer. I call BS on the results of this challenge. I'm blaming it all on Rachel Zoe. Of course she judges the episode where the cute blonde who looks her age and unlike a coked out, bleached out, overly tanned wreck of a stylist, gets cut. Poor Alli, girlfriend did not deserve it. But I knew it when they gave her so much airtime.
I also hated Kors' comment about how Allison's misstep was especially bad because she's a female designer. Irrelevant much? I was mystified by the emphasis on Allison being a female designer and the outrage over how could a woman design a garment that would fit so poorly. Her other garments fit well, so it's not that Allison secretly hates women; she just struggled with the materials and went with a sculptural kind of art piece this time. What does her being a woman have to do with anything? Is it acceptable for male designers to create garments that don't fit? Santino made it to the final three last year and his garments were consistently unflattering. That catsuit he made Kara Janx wear at the end was unbelievably unkind to her figure. Vincent has made unflattering clothes week in and week out, even with proper time and proper materials and he vigorously defended his right to make a dress that his model couldn't walk in. How is that not worse?
Allison has a point of view; Vincent has a set of bizarre complexes. Not for auffing Allison as she did have several lovely designs, a modern aesthetic, and a sweet personal look and personality. She's been in the top group twice, and never 'til now near the bottom. Vincent’s never been in the top three, maybe once in the middle, and consistently in the bottom. He's sometimes good TV, but usually just cringe-worthy. She's been a joy to watch, and not just because she's pretty, but because she's a serious designer and has a fun process to watch in the workroom.
I just wish she'd stuck to that abstract-stripey designed thing she was doing. I thought that looked really cool. Or maybe she could have used it somehow. Her final product... I didn't see how she got there. When she decided to chuck the stripy skirt thing, she was talking about some of that blue paper with that cream colored stuff. What happened to that?

In reflecting on the Allison/Vincent issue, I think there is a real parallel with the world of art. (I will now get to use my meager art experience with my docent training of only eight months. Ev or Mar, see if you agree w/ me.) Vincent is a Jackson Pollock type, if not Max Ernst. Some people look at abstract expressionism and see something profound, others look and see a bunch of paint tossed onto a canvas with no rhyme or reason. Allison is like Thomas Kinkade--utterly conventional, utterly safe and for that very reason popular. I'd rather look at a Pollock myself, but that's me. Some people prefer to look at a Pollock or a Dada exhibit at the MoMA while others enjoy hanging a Kinkade in their split-level ranch in San Bernardino. The world is big enough for both. Yet I just really find this outcome unbelievable. Allison got no points for previous designs, but Kayne is saved from being auf'd for that silly Anne Geddes thing he let walk down the runway? I just don't buy it. If you're giving Kayne credit for past work, give Allison the same consideration. Allison's outfit was better than Kayne's, Angela's AND Vincent's. This was [censored], pure and simple.
In short, Allison wuz robbed. There's a real double standard being applied here. Why wasn't the same standard applied to her? Her work has gotten stronger--she could have won the dog challenge. This week was a misstep for her, but had the same standards applied to Kayne been applied to her, Vincent would at last have been shown the door.

Michael: Love ya babe, but I wasn't feeling your dress tonight.
I did love the descriptions from Kors and Company are about how smart he is. I just didn’t see the innovation there with the plastic sheet wrap. It reminded me of some of the things a few of the deisgners did with the home decor challenge.

Jeffreak: Dude, you were robbed. I actually liked yours the best. It was a kick ass dress. I have to root for Michael, but yours rocked and looked really innovative. The trompe l'oeil belt was awesome. However, get rid of that smugness. It must be hard to be so cool. Someone oughta take one of those glue guns and seal your mouth shut though. Hey, Jeff, there's a word in the dictionary, and it's called gracious. Try it out sometime fool.
I thought Jeffrey lost for the same reason Chloe lost the flower challenge last season, he created a relatively simple halter dress out of muslin and pasted paper to it, then applied paint. Michael's construction was more elaborate and he made more innovative use of the required materials. In addition, he did a good job of explaining his vision on the runway. I'm not an artist or a designer, but I think I could make Jeffrey's dress. It's Collage 101, however successful it was.

Skeletor: Whoa, the dark side of Laura (and her boob) comes out. I don’t quite understand why she continually chooses to show off her boobs or lack thereof. Holy hell, that's scary. I really wish she'd keep those little boob-lets tucked in. Yikes! The washboard chest is scary enough. I know you've got less than nothing in the boob department, but what little you had almost popped out at one point. Keep the mouse in the house! This is a family show.
Yes, she's a [expletive deleted] but she's a [expletive deleted] to your face and confronts you. Everyone who is bitching about her commentary would do well to shut up and start listening to it since apparently she is right. The judges said almost verbatim everything she said.
I did think it was too soon to drag the riding outfit out again. And what was w/ the "For Nuts Only"? Did she want everyone to think her model was into, you know, butt sex? Now THAT is what every girl wants displayed on her ass.

Uli, Uli, Uli...loved the braided bottom, and at least no halter this week...but what did bras ever do to you to make you hate them so much? Are they against your religion? Did one kill your dog? Break into your house? Put sugar in your gas tank?

When Angela's design was going down the runway, I kept telling myself, "I hate it...no, I like it...I hate it...no wait, I think I like it..." I still can't decide, mainly because the PR editors only showed a flash of the dress.

Robert: You done good, sweetie, you done Mommy proud. You didn’t suck and that’s all I wanted. Whew…

Loved Tim Gunn in a hard hat. Can I get a Tim Gunn Barbie to dress up? This was Bob the Builder Tim. Usually we get "fantastically fashionable and never over-the-top Tim."