Labmom1
August 18, 2006 - 09:28 PM
"DA RULES"
FF1, I think it would be a good idea to post "DA RULES" at the beginning of each epi board. JMHO
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 09:37 PM
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"DA RULES"
FF1, I think it would be a good idea to post "DA RULES" at the beginning of each epi board. JMHO
I think so, too. In fact, I did have this new version ready to go for this Episode 306 board, but wasn't sure we needed it yet. When Bravo put up the new board, I clicked on it in surprise and found I was the first poster. Lost my nerve and did a little poem instead.
Will try to get it on the first page next time.
lazylady
August 18, 2006 - 09:42 PM
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FF1
I will give TC a try again. As long as they don't try to teach me to cook or how to serve.
I swear if I had to do all the cooking in my house we would either starve, get food poisioning, or have nothing but salad and soup. My mother was a fabulous cook and did not like anyone in her kitchen. Maybe that is why I have no interest in it. I do have an interest in eating though lol.
I can't believe I am still up I have to work again tomorrow. Work really sucks on the 6th day
Parnell
August 18, 2006 - 09:44 PM
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Possible Spoiler Alert!
Okay, I don't think that that the everyday woman is going to to be an Oprah or Martha. In fact, I don't think it is going to be a single person. I just watched the preview video on-line and each designer is doing something really different.
Here's what I caught so far (Serious Spoiler Alert):
Angela: Pair of Linen Pants, Baby Alpaca Sweater, and a wrap. Casual, but elegant. Going for an Audry Hepburn look (again!).
Kayne: Making three pieces, including a poncho and jewlery.
Uli: Something patterned (of course!), but it looks like a long-sleeve blouse.
Michael: A black jacket with white lining.
That's about all I could catch. But, it made me think that they each have a distinct client to design for. I can't see Oprah or Martha asking for an Audry-look and having Kayne come up with a poncho, Uli a paisely blouse, Michael a tailored jacket, and Angela a baby alpaca sweater with linen pants.
Has to be something other than one celebrity client, no?
I don't see it as a spoiler when Bravo itself discloses information, hints, tidbits, etc. I only see it as a spoiler when somebody tells who won, who got the boot, etc. ahead of time when they are under contract to keep their yap shut.
Ponchos, sweaters and pants? Sounds like a Martha Stewart being released from jail outfit.
Yeah, it wasn't exactly a spoiler. But I wanted to warn people who would rather not dissect future episodes and/or watch the previews that I would be discussing in detail what the designers were doing. Thanks!
Oh...and, can you imagine Martha in a poncho? Ay carrumba! Can't wait to find out what this everyday woman is all about.
dcjewbear
August 18, 2006 - 09:50 PM
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Doesn't the thought of wearing clothes other people have worn make you itch? That's really scary.
No it doesn't. I used to go to these fabulous shops in DC where they sold classic clothing and all you have to do is clean them. There is some magnificent stuff there.
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 09:51 PM
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Oh...and, can you imagine Martha in a poncho? Ay carrumba! Can't wait to find out what this everyday woman is all about.
LOL! Martha DID wear a poncho -- the day she left the jail. The girls knitted one as a goodbye gift for her and it looked quite nice on her. Started an instant fashion craze that swept the nation, and they were all over the stores.
Parnell
August 18, 2006 - 09:56 PM
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Oh...and, can you imagine Martha in a poncho? Ay carrumba! Can't wait to find out what this everyday woman is all about.
LOL! Martha DID wear a poncho -- the day she left the jail. The girls knitted one as a goodbye gift for her and it looked quite nice on her. Started an instant fashion craze that swept the nation, and they were all over the stores.
Nooo! Is that why everyone was wearing ponchos that season? Even I succumbed and bought one. Hee hee hee. Told you all I was design freak. Maybe I should have specified: trend [expletive deleted].
dcjewbear
August 18, 2006 - 10:01 PM
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I bet your some old bitter ugly hag that see women you wish you could emulate but sadly you were born into poor stock. You should be the last person giving grammar lessons sweetie.
Oh, my! I'm so tired of all this f*cking nonsense and I mean all of us. Is anybody here as bored as I am?
Parnell
August 18, 2006 - 10:03 PM
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Oh, COOL!
OT - Top Chef Alert
I just came across an article that says Season 2 of Top Chef will begin broadcasting in October (which happens to be right when Project Runway 3 ends).
YIPEEEEEEEEEE!
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/bravo-t...ctober-4227.php
Wow. They got rid of Mrs. Joel. Do you think they actually pay attention to our comments? I remember that her "qualifications" were quite the issue on the TC boards.
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 10:19 PM
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Doesn't the thought of wearing clothes other people have worn make you itch? That's really scary.
No it doesn't. I used to go to these fabulous shops in DC where they sold classic clothing and all you have to do is clean them. There is some magnificent stuff there.
I take some very expensive but virtually unused clothing in excellent condition right out of my closet and bring it over to my church. Sometimes you have changed sizes or just don't have a need for them any more, but they're great clothes with lots of life left in them. Other women do the same. Sometimes I will see very lovely stuff there and realize that it was a beloved item that just came out of somebody else's closet for the same reason, and I don't feel uncomfortable at all about buying it. Especially in this snooty-pooty suburb, where some really expensive stuff gets donated. I particularly enjoyed the day when one woman simply cleared out all her barely used Coach, Dooney & Bourke, and Prada bags because she needed more closet space!
There is also a thrift shop nearby sponsored by the American Cancer Society, I believe, with all profits going to them. They insist that all donations be good quality, current styles, and newly dry-cleaned. The stuff that comes through there is just amazing. Also, one man who owns an upscale men's shop and whose wife died of cancer donates tons of brand new suits, sports jackets, ties, belts, etc. for their men's department each season.
I wish I had known about thrift stores when my son was young. He grew at a stunning pace and I nearly broke the bank keeping him in good-looking clothes at every size along the way, at $10 to $35 a pop for each outfit way back then. (I used to be more economically comfortable than I am now.) I was stunned when the attorney in the office next to mine went to a second-hand shop in NYC and came away with 32 virtually brand new designer baby outfits for a dollar apiece. From that moment on, I was hooked but good.
When I lived on the Upper East Side in NYC, there was a thrift shop that benefitted a hospital. The workers there told me that some wealthy man was constantly donating barely used suits, and that they were an exact fit to one of the regular customers. The customer was ecstatic to pick up two housand dollar suits that fit as if they had been custom-made for him, for a fraction of the cost, and was convinced that he was getting Donald Trump's suits (they never tell who it comes from).
You just never know what you'll find once you start looking around.
whiskers
August 18, 2006 - 10:20 PM
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FF1, I think it would be a good idea to post "DA RULES" at the beginning of each epi board. JMHO
link to legitimate board rules is ever-present under the message board heading.
verstehen Sie?
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 10:24 PM
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I bet your some old bitter ugly hag that see women you wish you could emulate but sadly you were born into poor stock. You should be the last person giving grammar lessons sweetie.
Oh, my! I'm so tired of all this f*cking nonsense and I mean all of us. Is anybody here as bored as I am?
dejewbear, keep reading on. It gets better (in the good sense). All forgiven, and passing the punch around again.
philliesmoke
August 18, 2006 - 10:26 PM
THIS IS REAL LONG SO IF YOU HAVE TO PEE, DO IT NOW
(or you can not read it, its up to you. My name is T and I am a projectrunwayaholic and I have a lot to say right now. I promise I will not talk about being from old money or how rich I am like that other crazy person on the forum)
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The utter idiocy of the recent "judgings" has led me to believe that PR would be a much better show if the viewers were allowed to vote, rather than the producers...
Absolute, unadulterated insanity. Anyone can plainly see that what makes Project Runway great is that, to a large extent, the designers are judged on technical merits and not on popularity.
The judging is not about drama. Anyone can watch any episode and see a major qualitative difference between the winners and the losers. Many of the judges have limited time on the show and, frankly, are too rich and powerful to give a [censored] about any "drama."
Look at the episodes so far. All the outfits that lost were just absolute stinkers. You can quibble over who gets a pass or not, but -- ultimately -- that's just "grading on a bell curve" and the experts are better qualified to do that than you or I.
No, no, I think you may have misunderstood what I meant, or maybe I just didn't word myself correctly.
Practically speaking, it would be probably never happen (viewers voting) due to time constraints and such, but I can dream can't I? lol
I, along with a lot of other posters it seems, are beginning to question whether or not the judging is biased, and influenced heavily by producers who deem what people make for "good tv." Drama makes for good television. And the more people who tune in, the more sponsors will pay for airtime, and the more money everybody makes. Of course the judges are going to receive "input" from the producers, I think it even says that in the fine print on the credits.
Remember Weddy Pepper? Theres a shining example of a "stinker" making it pretty far...I think everyone agreed that she was one of the weakest designers yet she made it to Fashion Week, and IMO the only reason she stayed so long was because she did give viewers a reason to tune in (i.e. hoping
this week would be the one where she'd get decapitated in a freak sewing accident! or if you are not bloodthirsty, maybe you were just watching to see who she fought with next) Whose choice was it to keep her so long? The panel of "experts"? You're right, the judges are more qualified than you or I when it comes to fashion, so why the hell did they keep that woman around so long??? I think if it were solely up to them and the show was solely based on merit, MS. Pepper and her mustached daughter woulda been outta there! I don't see the judges as the ones having the final word in that situation. The judges do work for the producers, so if a producer wants to keep someone on the show because they bring in ratings, that person is going to remain on the show. We'd never hear Heidi say, "You're in...because Mr. Smith back there says you're good looking and 1.2 million viewers tune in just to check out your butt" (I am not talking about Wendy in this example, no one wants to see her butt), of course she would have to rationalize it in some way so that it would make some sense.
It appears that in every season of PR, personality goes a long way when it comes to eliminations. (But then again, personality'll take ya a long way in life. I'm not tryin to hate...
too much) We as viewers, want a hero, we want a villain, and sometimes someone who fits one of those descriptions will get a free ride when it comes to certain challenges.
I think about Santino, who many people (including myself) loved; in my case I liked his personality more than his fashions. Every elimination he would get reamed out by the judges for being too out there and "not catering to the client" yet he remained because he was the most interesting character on the show, and one of the reasons we tuned in every week.
I can understand that, PR is a business, the producers want to make money, so they will cater to the viewers and ensure that their product is fresh and never boring. If thats how its gotta be, fine, but don't insult my intelligence and give me some lame reason for why X is leaving and Y is staying. We know what's up. If decisions are not going to based 100% on technical merit, so be it, its there show but don't lie to me and act as though it is. Let's see maybe some more honesty when it comes to decisions like that, not half-a55ed justifications. I think it would be funny as hell if Heidi said, "Your designs are ok, you're not bad, but bleh- let's face it, you have the personality of an eggplant. You're boring. Fashion designers need to be larger than life, and you just do not have the provberbial "it". You are out!" or "Your clothes suck yet viewers can't get enough of your crazy antics. We're gonna let you stay a bit longer"...lol
1. Does anyone think that the recent elimination ceremony was fair? Did Allison deserve to leave, while Vincent was allowed to stay? (I say no) Do you think that the judges honestly voted to kick Allison off because her dress was that much worse than Vincent's? (I think they kept Vincent around because he is a space case and people just love a train wreck. Poor Allison was too "boring" a.k.a. normal to keep the public aroused) If Allison's design was just THAT bad, why was the "bell curve" not applied to her as it was to Kayne? (Kayne got a pass based on his previous achievements. I wonder if that did not apply to Allison because Kayne is the better-liked of the two. More people would have been upset if Kayne left- I know boys AND girls who watch this show just to ogle cutie Kayne!) How can someone like Vincent who is consistenly bad get picked over someone who had one bad day? (hmmmm...) What about the winners? In the polls, fans voted Michael's dress to be #3, Uli's #2, and Jeffrey's #1 (when I checked yesterday, mighta changed by now). Was Jeffrey robbed? (I think maybe he was...he's been being such a d**k maybe they figured that we the public did not want to see him win. I'll admit I was happy when Michael won, not because his outfit was better but because he seems like a nicer person.)
Sorry that was hella long but I felt I should reiterate what I meant, it may have not come across correctly last time. And how I love talking about Project Runway...now that I've found this board I can't wait to come by next week for the necxt episode and dish- my roomies are getting sick of hearing my recaps lol.......Anyway anyone has anything to say I'll check back even tho thie interface here is cracked out I will work with it.....I have been posting on PR boards in other sites but There seems to be alot more ppl here tho, and you guys and gals seem more intelligent that many of the people I've seen elsewhere (except for that snpbby fakea55 girl always talkin about bein rich, rich people who talk about being rich all the time end up getting robbed)
Peace Out,
dcjewbear
August 18, 2006 - 10:28 PM
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Okay, this is it! I'm a copyeditor by trade, and I can state categorically that I have seen almost NO perfect posts (including some of my own where I failed to catch some embarrassing typos when previewing). I have exercised great personal restraint to avoid correcting/editing/berating others' posts on issues of grammar, spelling, punctuation, and usage.
I ask only two things before I "shut up": (1) please at least make sure there are periods at the ends of your sentences; and (2) at least endeavor to spell all the players' names right (as in Michael [not Micheal], Tim Gunn [not Gun], Alison [not Allison], Kayne [not Kain or Kane], Jeffrey [not Jeffery], Malan [not Milan or Malin], Michael Kors [not Kohrs], etc.).
With that, I will shut my grammar and style manuals and try my best to parse the posts no matter how difficult they may be to decipher.
WOW, somebody is a little...starts with an "a" ends with an "l" (for fear of spelling it wrong).
Did not mean to offend your senses...
Thought we all weren't going to pick on eachother anymore )
I actually agree with Doggie on this one. I make a lot of careless mistakes because I just don't care much about grammar in a post but spell the names correctly ferchrissakes!
fluffykins
August 18, 2006 - 10:29 PM
Vincent is a Jackson Pollock type, if not Max Ernst.
Vincent's piece was not up to being a Pollock or a Max Ernst! I know that's what he was going for, but Pollock managed to make work that didn't look like trash and much of Ernst's work is beautiful. Vincent's piece just looked crappy and terrible, like she had been at the landfill during a tornado. I think there's a term for a garbage fetish, which must be what he meant by turning him on.
I was APPALLED that Vincent, who has been in the bottom 2 FOUR times now, made it, over Allison who was only there once. And what was the crap about "as a female designer, we're shocked you'd be so careless with the female form." "Why is she held to a higher standard than Vincent or Kayne?
Several people, including friends, have suggested that Vincent is being kept on for controversy. But why bother? As long as Laura, Angela, Robert and Jeffrey are all on the show, someone is going to be at someone's throat, so there's plenty of arguing and complaining to go around.
I have to say, as a human being, I prefer Michael to Jeffrey. But Jeffrey is consistently good and his was really the best looking garment this week. He deserved to win. I don't know if I expect him to go all the way, but I expect him to make it to the top 4, unless he gets kicked off for f***ing with Angela next week.
The men on here are the cattiest I've ever seen. It's horrendous. Kayne and all that "I'll duct tape her mouth shut" crap about his model last week . . . (how about saying, "Look, I have to focus, so I need you to let me be," instead of going on and complaining like that?) And then telling Laura he didn't want to be berated on camera right after saying "I question your character." I'm sorry, but his model looked like she'd been beaten up. In what universe is domestic violence haute couture? Was that perhaps his leftover hostility from last week?
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 10:38 PM
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(or you can not read it, its up to you. My name is T and I am a projectrunwayaholic and I have a lot to say right now.
...I think it would be funny as hell if Heidi said, "Your designs are ok, you're not bad, but bleh- let's face it, you have the personality of an eggplant. You're boring. Fashion designers need to be larger than life, and you just do not have the provberbial "it". You are out!" or "Your clothes suck yet viewers can't get enough of your crazy antics. We're gonna let you stay a bit longer"...lol
Welcome, T! IEnjoyed your post and laughed out loud at the above. Bravo!
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 10:40 PM
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Vincent is a Jackson Pollock type, if not Max Ernst.
Vincent's piece was not up to being a Pollock or a Max Ernst! I know that's what he was going for, but Pollock managed to make work that didn't look like trash and much of Ernst's work is beautiful. Vincent's piece just looked crappy and terrible, like she had been at the landfill during a tornado. I think there's a term for a garbage fetish, which must be what he meant by turning him on.
I was APPALLED that Vincent, who has been in the bottom 2 FOUR times now, made it, over Allison who was only there once. And what was the crap about "as a female designer, we're shocked you'd be so careless with the female form." "Why is she held to a higher standard than Vincent or Kayne?
Several people, including friends, have suggested that Vincent is being kept on for controversy. But why bother? As long as Laura, Angela, Robert and Jeffrey are all on the show, someone is going to be at someone's throat, so there's plenty of arguing and complaining to go around.
I have to say, as a human being, I prefer Michael to Jeffrey. But Jeffrey is consistently good and his was really the best looking garment this week. He deserved to win. I don't know if I expect him to go all the way, but I expect him to make it to the top 4, unless he gets kicked off for f***ing with Angela next week.
The men on here are the cattiest I've ever seen. It's horrendous. Kayne and all that "I'll duct tape her mouth shut" crap about his model last week . . . (how about saying, "Look, I have to focus, so I need you to let me be," instead of going on and complaining like that?) And then telling Laura he didn't want to be berated on camera right after saying "I question your character." I'm sorry, but his model looked like she'd been beaten up. In what universe is domestic violence haute couture? Was that perhaps his leftover hostility from last week?
Very interesting post! Welcome to the board.
AndrewPR
August 18, 2006 - 10:44 PM
I really disagree the judges keep designers around for drama or ratings. I think most people agree that Alison makes more compelling television than Vincent, whose quips are banal.
I think the judges respond to certain designer's points of view. It was obvious they were appauled at Alison's design. I disagree with their decision, but the minnie mouse bow really just showed the judges that Alison just completely missed it. Whatever they saw on the runway (versus how we see it on camera), they just thought it was atrocious and unforgivable.
While Alison has been very good and consistent, perhaps her designs were less memorable to the judges. Perhaps they let vincent pass because they find Vincent's point of view interesting, if insane. It was clear at the very least that they were angry at Alison's atrocious presentation and that emotion was enough to cause them to auf her.
I still think Vincent's garbage garment was the losing design this week, but I can see it from the judge's perspective.
wdrwoman
August 18, 2006 - 10:49 PM
Hey you guys. I watced The Soup tonight and they love talking about PR. They showed a clip from a movie on the net with Crazy A$$ Vincent in it. Here is the link so everyone can see we are correct for realizing he is a quack before the judges do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Veozy5IVT4
FoodFanOne
August 18, 2006 - 10:53 PM
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I really disagree the judges keep designers around for drama or ratings. I think most people agree that Alison makes more compelling television than Vincent, whose quips are banal.
I think the judges respond to certain designer's points of view. It was obvious they were appauled at Alison's design. I disagree with their decision, but the minnie mouse bow really just showed the judges that Alison just completely missed it. Whatever they saw on the runway (versus how we see it on camera), they just thought it was atrocious and unforgivable.
While Alison has been very good and consistent, perhaps her designs were less memorable to the judges. Perhaps they let vincent pass because they find Vincent's point of view interesting, if insane. It was clear at the very least that they were angry at Alison's atrocious presentation and that emotion was enough to cause them to auf her.
I still think Vincent's garbage garment was the losing design this week, but I can see it from the judge's perspective.
Wow, this is turning into "Nifty Newbies Night." What a thoughtful post. Welcome to the board!
philliesmoke
August 18, 2006 - 11:00 PM
fluffykins, i agree that Vincent's art was trash, while his trash didn't quite turn out into the art he wanted. As far as being kept on for "controversy" I don't think your friends meant controversy of the name calling-arguing variety; I'm more apt to believe that he is being kept on due to his out there personality. Kinda like when you see a crazy person running around in the street (they do that in my hood lol). You try not to look, but ya keep peeking back anyway, cause you wanna know what they're gonna do next! With Allison, we know that we'll see a sweet nice girl most likely make a nice outfit, she'll smile, its all well and good but not entertaining in this era of reality tv sensationalism. Vincent on the other hand, we can look forward to him talking to himself, acting kooky, screwing up yet another outfit (without realizing that he screwed up), putting baskets on peoples heads, and possible having a mental breakdown. Clueless and insane make better TV than nice and sweet.
Alison was held to a higher standard because they needed some excuse to throw her off while keeping Kayne (who will make top 3) and Vincent (mental breakdown = ratings blitz)
Agree with ya the Jeffrey's garment was the best.
Don't be too hard on Kayne though. His dress sucked (thought it actually looked better with the pill bottle caps on it lol) but I don't think he has hostility towards women. We didn't see everything that happened between him and the model (editing) so it is possible that he had asked her for quiet, she wouldn't give it to him, and eventually the combination of stress and chatter while you're trying to work got to him. Also in his defense, I don't think he realized that the model looked like she'd been beaten up (I didn't see that myself either, I thought her make up was weird but thats about it)
Give Kayne another chance, if it turns out you were right and he is a woman hater I will print this thread, pour bbq on it, and eat my words!
CALady
August 18, 2006 - 11:08 PM
Wow FF1 you are up later. Or in your case early. Are you OK?
philliesmoke
August 18, 2006 - 11:10 PM
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9) I would really like to get a look at those judges scorecards!! I think they should make public the scores (or at least the scoring method?). There must be some numeric scoring, because Heidi always says, "Your scores have qualified you for the next round."
Thoughts?
That's a great idea! I'd love to know the scoring method and the exact scores contestants receieve. Do they just give each designer a number- "That dress was...hmmm...I'll give it an "8". Or do they factor in variables and score them seperately (fit/style/color choice/the way it moves/"how expensive it looks"/etc etc etc) and than take the average of those scores to determine the final score? The voting just isn't making any sense, anymore. And if it is, I aint getting it cause I don't understand their voting process!
angelbrat
August 18, 2006 - 11:15 PM
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In the Tim's Take section, under Podcasts, there is a little thing that you can click on (it says listen now-Season 3 Epi 6 ). It will turn it on for you to listen too with out downloading.
well don't I feel silly! I swear I didn't see that link under Tim's Take section the other day and I remember reading his blog too! lol Must be because I was new to the site or something
argh.. anyway thanks for pointing at it for me.. I had read the transcripts of the last two shows on http://bloggingprojectrunway.blogspot.com/ but I really like listening to Tim
swiss74
August 18, 2006 - 11:16 PM
Just gaining access my post is not intended for anyone directly.
I think it is fine about the rules and regulations, and from what I read that was going on they are truly needed. I also went thru the not to be mentioned person.
It is apparent when you do not want to discuss a subject someone brings up you ignore their post. Which is fine. But then why do you not apply that to people that come to this board and cause a small riot. Just ignore then and do not respond to the things they post. I did not post much today I think two only could be more, I just chose to watch what was being said and done. Had you all or let me put it in more concise terminology, those of you that responded to the person who was stirring up trouble just gave her fuel to feed on. You can ignore people who try to post thoughtful things because they are a little behind why can you not ignore a trouble maker.
Just my opinion not really worth much but I felt it needed saying.
CALady
August 18, 2006 - 11:21 PM
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Just gaining access my post is not intended for anyone directly.
I think it is fine about the rules and regulations, and from what I read that was going on they are truly needed. I also went thru the not to be mentioned person.
It is apparent when you do not want to discuss a subject someone brings up you ignore their post. Which is fine. But then why do you not apply that to people that come to this board and cause a small riot. Just ignore then and do not respond to the things they post. I did not post much today I think two only could be more, I just chose to watch what was being said and done. Had you all or let me put it in more concise terminology, those of you that responded to the person who was stirring up trouble just gave her fuel to feed on. You can ignore people who try to post thoughtful things because they are a little behind why can you not ignore a trouble maker.
Just my opinion not really worth much but I felt it needed saying.
I agree with your opinion and realized that we were just fueling the issue. That is why I stopped. I am here to laugh and have fun and to learn from each other. There are some great people on this board and some great thoughts get going. Thanks for your post.
swiss74
August 18, 2006 - 11:23 PM
Thanks for responding, I appreciate you supporting my thoughts.
philliesmoke
August 18, 2006 - 11:24 PM
Thank you for the welcome FF1! Nice to meet you.
Now that I have figured out how to work this board you should be seeing me on here more often! I thought it was just me but apparently there are millions like us who love this show with a passion! It is a great show (even if its rigged...hahaha...i'm not gonna start on that again, i have to go to sleep eventually
CALady
August 18, 2006 - 11:29 PM
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Thank you for the welcome FF1! Nice to meet you.
Now that I have figured out how to work this board you should be seeing me on here more often! I thought it was just me but apparently there are millions like us who love this show with a passion! It is a great show (even if its rigged...hahaha...i'm not gonna start on that again, i have to go to sleep eventually
Wow you are only on post 5 and I am over 80 and still I do not understand how it all works. Glad to have you. We have a lot of fun out here.
swiss74
August 18, 2006 - 11:32 PM
I come to the internet and to the boards to also have fun. Project Runway is a fun program to watch and comment on. But when it comes down to it, this is not the real world, I mean the internet, and when it comes down to it, Project Runway really does not affect our lives directly. I mean by that none of us is going to die because of PR. unless we get too crazy about Vincent's designs and have a heart attack. This should be fun and not a verbal boxing match.
charlotteb
August 18, 2006 - 11:32 PM
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Just gaining access my post is not intended for anyone directly.
I think it is fine about the rules and regulations, and from what I read that was going on they are truly needed. I also went thru the not to be mentioned person.
It is apparent when you do not want to discuss a subject someone brings up you ignore their post. Which is fine. But then why do you not apply that to people that come to this board and cause a small riot. Just ignore then and do not respond to the things they post. I did not post much today I think two only could be more, I just chose to watch what was being said and done. Had you all or let me put it in more concise terminology, those of you that responded to the person who was stirring up trouble just gave her fuel to feed on. You can ignore people who try to post thoughtful things because they are a little behind why can you not ignore a trouble maker.
Just my opinion not really worth much but I felt it needed saying.
I agree, I read all of the posts and didn't choose to respond until your very honest posting. When someone posts very provactive language and postering, we can simply choose to ignore it. Like a child throwing a tantrum, an audience is needed. If we, as posters, ignore the bad behavior, in most cases, they will go on their way. Being nicey nice to such a poster will not produce nicey nice results IMO.
swiss74
August 18, 2006 - 11:35 PM
Welcome to the boards, glad to meet you and hope you have a good time. Hey none of us really understand how to post on this crazy set up. Just post away and have a great time.
swiss74
August 18, 2006 - 11:37 PM
Thanks for your comments...
CALady
August 18, 2006 - 11:37 PM
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I come to the internet and to the boards to also have fun. Project Runway is a fun program to watch and comment on. But when it comes down to it, this is not the real world, I mean the internet, and when it comes down to it, Project Runway really does not affect our lives directly. I mean by that none of us is going to die because of PR. unless we get too crazy about Vincent's designs and have a heart attack. This should be fun and not a verbal boxing match.
There are a lot of very talented people out here and they get to playing with each other. It is fun to read all the different comments when we are all watching the same show.
pacey988
August 18, 2006 - 11:41 PM
I am still on though I will not be on for much longer. I know I may sound like a broken record here, but I just want to say that I personally like Vincent. It does however trouble me that people are making comments about his mental state. I understand that he had been stressed out from working in the fashion industry in the '80s. I had an emotional crisis of my own last year, and it was not pretty. Eventually I got better, but I was haunted by the whole experience for a very long time. I would rather not get into the details but all I would like to say is this - every post I have seen about Vincent equates him with being insane or mentally deranged. Either that's the case, or I must have misread. One post I saw asked, when is the white truck going to take him away? That's just hurtful in my opinion. It is not funny at all. All I want is some constructive criticism of the designs, but no personal attacks on the designers unless it is really warranted, such as Jeffrey's stroke comment. This is just my opinion. I am not the kind of person who engages in personal attacks. This coming from a person who has been on one side of that spectrum. I was attacked by people on message boards that have nothing to do with fashion. I posted on a lot of things about many different subjects. I have several interests. At times I did overreact to things. At times I sought help in places that were inappropriate. I know that I've been told this, but I will try to have fun here, because underneath all the back biting and flaming and sniping, there are genuinely good people here. I admit it is a struggle to be heard sometimes because the conversation is going in all sorts of directions, and I am not going to try to sway the conversation in one way or another. Honestly, I will try to lighten up, as my mom tells me to do all the time and hopefully contribute more to the board.
angelbrat
August 18, 2006 - 11:47 PM
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If Robert had designed the plaid skirt from the dog challenge for the icon challenge, I think he would have won...hands down. That was a Jackie outfit if ever I saw one.
that was a really cute Jackie O type of outfit
swiss74
August 18, 2006 - 11:55 PM
Pacey,
I try not to comment too much on people's personalities but I do at times because I feel some things they say and do are a little off base. I do not particularly like Vincent's designs, but then I don't like Angela's yo yos either. You may disagree with me but I feel Vincent should have been let go after his latest effort in the way of design. I felt Alison should have been retained even tho she put a bow on the model's head. From what I read on the boards and what Tim said in his take, he felt the same. That does not comment on Vincent's personality it just speaks to his design and the garment he offered up. I enjoy most of your posts so keep em coming. Nothing I say in the posts should be taken personally, most is just general thoughts for all to read and either throw them away or keep them for thought.
swiss74
August 18, 2006 - 11:57 PM
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If Robert had designed the plaid skirt from the dog challenge for the icon challenge, I think he would have won...hands down. That was a Jackie outfit if ever I saw one.
that was a really cute Jackie O type of outfit
Totally agree...
angelbrat
August 19, 2006 - 12:11 AM
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Don't be too hard on Kayne though. His dress sucked (thought it actually looked better with the pill bottle caps on it lol) but I don't think he has hostility towards women. We didn't see everything that happened between him and the model (editing) so it is possible that he had asked her for quiet, she wouldn't give it to him, and eventually the combination of stress and chatter while you're trying to work got to him. Also in his defense, I don't think he realized that the model looked like she'd been beaten up (I didn't see that myself either, I thought her make up was weird but thats about it)
Give Kayne another chance, if it turns out you were right and he is a woman hater I will print this thread, pour bbq on it, and eat my words!
My vote is that he was simply under stress because of where he is and also being in the presence of Robert is encouraging him to act a bit more that way. They are both having way too much fun.
Remember that Kayne "lives in the South" and makes formal wear.. if you don't think the girls that come into his shop don't dish the gossip and don't talk nonstop and he's not used to it by now.. well .. I think he is
(disclaimer: I live in the South so that wasn't a diss.. moved from CA and love it here)
pacey988
August 19, 2006 - 12:32 AM
I can understand where you're coming from. I too thought Vincent was in danger of being eliminated. I had Vincent, Kayne and Alison in my bottom three. Seeing Alison be eliminated was a surprise. Something tells me that Project Runway may not be for Vincent. He told me that he does not believe that he should let the judges influence his designs. He told me he does not care about what people who post on blogs and the like say. He also told me that he doesn't design conventional clothes. I'm sure all of you know that as evidenced by his designs. True, he does have a unique personality at best, an eccentric one at worst. That is what has attracted me to him. All of these designers are very interesting. This may not be the right comparison, but I think Vincent reminds me of Austin, in terms of personality. They both had interesting approaches to design, but obviously Vincent's approach has come under the most scrutiny. It is understandable because I was not exactly wild about his fashions either. What hurt me the most was the personal attacks against his mental state. I can't believe anyone wants to see him crack under the pressure and have a breakdown under the guise of it being good television. Anyway, I appreciate the kind words, and I will try to keep posting.
philliesmoke
August 19, 2006 - 01:17 AM
Thank U CALady and Swiss, glad 2 meet u too! I wish I had known about these boards earlier but better late than never. Hi angel and pacey, hope all's well.
I am going to bed but I saw ur postings pacey and i wanted to share some of my feelings/opinions on the whole Vincent situation. Please know that 99.999999% of the time when someone calls Vincent crazy on here, they don't mean it in a negative way. I'd try and not get too upset about it. Theres good crazy and bad crazy. Good crazy= kooky, quirky, eccentric, etc. Bad crazy would be like a serial killer or somethin like that. We all know Vincent's not certifiable, and i'm sure even the person who made the joke about the white truck was doing just that- making a joke! It's Vincent's kookiness which has gotten him this far, he's gaining national exposure, no matter if he doesn't win I'm sure this experience will change his life for the better. You've heard the saying "No publicity is bad publicity?" His name is out there and he's gonna sell some clothes when this is all said and done.
On boards, people like to gossip and make fun of celebrities and pick our favorite and least favorite characters..... Whatever is written about Vincent in here, he is not reading it, its not affecting his life, please don't let it affect yours to the point where you get upset. Personally I dont think they'res anything wrong with being called crazy, I've been called crazy ALOT, I call my friends crazy, I think Vincent is nutty and so is Heidi and so are all the girls on Flavor of Love. There is no "normal" nowadays- whats normal?! Its all relative. As long as you're not harming yourself or others, be as crazy as you wanna be. I think Vincent would tell you something similair to that as well- its the people who live boring lifes doing what they're "supposed" to all the time, never getting "wild and crazy" that are the insane ones. You'll be ok, just lighten up a bit cause crazy aint always a bad thing
gina2
August 19, 2006 - 01:35 AM
tyvm foodFanone, its great knowing that Top Chef starts again in October!!!
gina2
August 19, 2006 - 01:40 AM
I know how you feel lazy, I started the first day of a 6 day stretch yesterday =o(
gina2
August 19, 2006 - 01:49 AM
Hi Phillie,
Quote"Remember Weddy Pepper? Theres a shining example of a "stinker" making it pretty far...I think everyone agreed that she was one of the weakest designers yet she made it to Fashion Week,"
I don't remember her being in Fashion week, I thought it was Daniel, Santino and Chloe? am I missing something here? LOL
I thought she was real two faced, well, you know what I mean.=o)
dogabone
August 19, 2006 - 03:07 AM
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Hi Phillie,
I don't remember her being in Fashion week, I thought it was Daniel, Santino and Chloe? am I missing something here? LOL
I thought she was real two faced, well, you know what I mean.=o)
Wendy, Jay McCarroll, and Kara Saun were the finalists in season 1 of PR; Jay won. The designers you cite were in season 2.
damselfly
August 19, 2006 - 03:42 AM
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If Robert had designed the plaid skirt from the dog challenge for the icon challenge, I think he would have won...hands down. That was a Jackie outfit if ever I saw one.
that was a really cute Jackie O type of outfit
Totally agree...
I'm sorry I can't. The major failure in that outfit was tailoring and fabric choice. As someone whoe sews, you never try to make something "sharp" out of a drapy frabric like linen. That's why summer linen suits are so casual looking. His design called for a crisper fabric. As far as I remeber it was a pencil skirt with a kind of longer jacket with a wide collar. Would have been very Jackie if he hadn't tied the rope around her waist. IMO she looked like they just fished her out of the ocean...not just becaue of the belt but also the limp-ness of what she wore. BUT the main part that bothered me (can you tell I was bothered) is that they asked him to update Jackie and there wasn't much updated about it. I know, Diane VF said that Jackie would have worn that. And maybe she would have back in the 60's, where's the update....Ok I know old show...moving one...
mainer
August 19, 2006 - 03:54 AM
hello everyone............ am new to PR boards n get lost at times......... love the show but not some of the decisions.enjoy the banter but not the egos of a certain someone....... born n bred in NYC now live in maine( still wonder in feb why im here). not rich but has a roof over my head n can even afford lobster when the mood suits me but really misses good old NY food. i dream of it.
my votes go for robert n laura in the end was also counting on allison.(oh well) vincent n jeffery have to go........ robert needs a shot in the arm or bye to him also.
these boards keep me sane n looking forward to top chef. of course my family thinks im nuts but i dont lose sleep over it. trhey chould be thankful i could go balistic in feb when the weather is too cold to go out.
all those in NY please have some pizza n let me know how good it still is so i can cry.......
ex nyer sstuck in maine
damselfly
August 19, 2006 - 04:05 AM
Hello, welcome...only been here about 5 days myself but you catch on fast. Dated a guy from maine who now lives in ny I read your last post about being from away...he hated that more than anything...because now he's from away
damselfly
August 19, 2006 - 04:24 AM
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If Robert had designed the plaid skirt from the dog challenge for the icon challenge, I think he would have won...hands down. That was a Jackie outfit if ever I saw one.
that was a really cute Jackie O type of outfit
Totally agree...
I'm sorry I can't. The major failure in that outfit was tailoring and fabric choice. As someone whoe sews, you never try to make something "sharp" out of a drapy frabric like linen. That's why summer linen suits are so casual looking. His design called for a crisper fabric. As far as I remeber it was a pencil skirt with a kind of longer jacket with a wide collar. Would have been very Jackie if he hadn't tied the rope around her waist. IMO she looked like they just fished her out of the ocean...not just becaue of the belt but also the limp-ness of what she wore. BUT the main part that bothered me (can you tell I was bothered) is that they asked him to update Jackie and there wasn't much updated about it. I know, Diane VF said that Jackie would have worn that. And maybe she would have back in the 60's, where's the update....Ok I know old show...moving one...
Oh...yah know...I need to read the first post better...I agree, THAT would be an updated Jackie outfit if the skirt was a touch longer and maybe the shirt had more structure.
Calvsusi
August 19, 2006 - 04:25 AM
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born n bred in NYC now live in maine( still wonder in feb why im here). not rich but has a roof over my head n can even afford lobster when the mood suits me but really misses good old NY food. i dream of it....
...all those in NY please have some pizza n let me know how good it still is so i can cry.......
ex nyer sstuck in maine
I'm an ex-Mainer who moved to NYC and now I'm stuck in Jersey - Thank God it doesn't all look like Port Newark. No one who hasn't been to Maine can understand how cold it can get and how bad the food can be there. Can you believe it took me a year to get used to NYC thin crust Pizza? I actually missed the doughy mess Maine dares to call Pizza - and let's not even mention what they call bagels in Maine! LOL
I too am dissapointed in Alison's auf'ing, but it happened months ago, I'm just happy she's working and doing well from the interviews I've read. After PR 1 and PR 2, I've learned to accept that maybe only one of my favorites might make it to OFW. Still p*sses me off, but I keep tuning in every week anyway. Even if the final three are determined in a manipulative fashion, at least the creative process is still fun to watch - just wish more workroom footage (and more Tim) were included in each episode.
And who are my favorites? Without Alison, it's Michael (fly), Laura (fabulous) and Uli (printastic).
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