LOL gandm!!(about the bony chest showing) I think that would be an awesome idea having Stacey and Clinton as guest judges!! =o) but they are on a rival network so don't know if they can =o(

Much better to have Trinny and Susannah from the original BBC "What Not to Wear"—a much better show than the American copy.

sorry severn meant no offense, i thought we were talking about the show designs not personal designs.

Hello swiss74,

First of all, I did not mean older academic as a negative.

Maybe I am guilty of lumping you in with a group of women who identified themselves as older college professors in a previous thread. The group was complaining about the laziness of their students and bemoaning lax principles in relation to the whole Keith Michael fiasco, remember?

I'm sorry you feel "attacked". That was never my attention. I was reaching for words to describe why some people are particularly sensitive to what is "appropriate" and others flaunt those "rules". I think it has to do with class, which is a very sensitive subject. That is the only reason I brought up my background so as not to appear snooty. In my town the waitresses dress more conservatively and often better than their customers, frankly, because they feel more pressure to do so. We have a "liberal" setting also. That has little to do with anything in my opinion. The man in the tie works for the man in the jeans here. It is not a corporate culture, but money rules all the same.

You talk about being upset you have to "defend your status". My post was not an "attack" on anyone's status, but there are whole groups of people who seem to feel they have to defend their "status" every day, and dressing "appropriately" is one of the ways they do that. All I was trying to explain is why Laura may not be in that group.

My style of posting is purposefully provocative about ideas and meant to get a conversation or debate going, not "attack" my fellow posters. I regret that you took my opinion post on Laura otherwise. It was not an opinion post on you and your status believe me!

And I was not calling overweight women cows, as you implied. I was talking about the mostly beautiful women who flock like sheep to get breast implants. I could also talk about the unethical surgeons who accept teenage patients for this if that angle makes it less uncomfortable. There are real social pressures that spur these women to go under the knife. Not all of them are competing for jobs that require a certain figure, but that is bad enough.

I know that even bringing up certain issues is somewhat incendiary even if there is no bad intention. That is why our mothers taught us never to bring up sex, religion, class, or politics at the table. But I know you believe in free expression. You just wish that I was more diplomatic in my choice of words, yes? And so do I sometimes. I get no joy from provoking "self defense" posts.

I want to make it clear that I honestly do apologise for any offense that I have given you. I don't know you except for the things you have posted about yourself, and I know that you were not "talking" to me, but to others. I just responded to your post because it made me think about these issues. I will continue to read and enjoy your posts, but in future, I will hook on to an old post of mine to respond to your ideas so that you will not take my opinions personally.
with respect,
notevayas

I've watched both and prefer Stacey and Clinton, sorry. although I have to admit the british pair do have their moments lol.

Hi Gina what did I miss?

hiya legendary!! not much, have been talking about a hodge-podge of stuff.

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Congrats...yes, he's the best (my baby that is) I guess I kinda owe you thanks for that too! THANKS!

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I don't know you but congrats on the new baby damsel! =o)

very true damsel!! =o) thank you

Yes Dams you keep it up for those of us who won't. Baby boy or girl?