Sorry, Katie was "out"
Michael elected to stay with Nazri.
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come to think of it, i do remember michael kors saying something about the fabric underlying jeffrey's dress, like as the foundation for the paper. at the time i just assumed it was something he got at the recycle plant, but on second thought, why would there be fabric there? i wonder what he used, and where he got it?
They addressed it in previous seasons. The muslin is there all the time for the designers to use. They use it to make patterns and to line outfits. Like the flower challage last season, there would need to be a fabric structure underneath to support the recycle stuff. In Tim's take he said that Laura used it to line her dress because those peanut bags are rough and scratchy.
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Totally agree! I can't stand Kayne~!!! so so so annoying! blah blah blah, non stop!!! He talks so much ShXX about people but expect people not to talk back???
i think kayne was right to talk sh*t back to laura (whom i cant F'ING STAND) i wouldnt take that kinda talk from a woman who recycles the same dress every week...yeah laura...keep making those "classy" v neck dresses with white fabric...how "elegant"...and i swear she doesnt just recycle her runway styles...skeletor wears the same damn thing every week...laura, take my advice...you wan to wear plunging necklines? get a boob job and eat a sandwich sometime
If you watch the bonus videos you will see Laura and Jeffrey being perfectly friendly on the run-up to episode 6. I believe the stress causes a lot of nasty remarks in the workroom that they agree not to take seriously. That being said, there is no stress here and I am getting disturbed about the amount of nasty remarks on this board. Let's keep it clean here, folks.
agreed...
Just wondering, is anyone playing the Fashion Face Off game here, its like anyone's guess though! Wonder how people can get such high points! sigh..hehe
Just wondering, is anyone playing the Fashion Face Off game here, its like anyone's guess though! Wonder how people can get such high points! sigh..hehe
Gosh, not only did I totally miss the challenge, I missed who won and who is out.
But I thought my Saturn interior materials made sense.
I call this episode: Nice Guys Finish Last and First: Part Deux.
Last week Michael finally won, and sweet, spacey Bradley was out. This week, Michael wins again(the actual show should have stressed the wearable factor of the challenge to us in the designers' brief) and Alison is out for one misstep.
This week's lessons : 1)If a female does a bad design, it is more henious than if a guy does it.
Lesson 2) A plus-size model is anyone over a size 0.
Lesson 3) Jeffrey hasn't learned yet that life isn't fair. I think the neck tatoo is distracting the judges. Dear, this isn't the Indy 500 where you get bonus money for each lap you lead. The idea is to be in the top 3 before Fashion Week. And this is American Fashion. Will people buy it and wear it. You wanna do avant-garde, go to England, go to Paris for PR-Europe(which should be starting anytime!!).
Lesson 5) This episode hit a record for bon mots. Robert had at least two I want. "I recycle. I recyle paper, plastic, ex-boyfriends"(that has gotta go on a t-shirt at BPR!!)and his interview shirt that said: You look better online. I thought that Laura and Vincent would come to blows over Vincent"I cashed in my 401K"(this should be a constant subtitle whenever Vincent is onscreen lest we forget) "Stick a couple of Harry Winston's up your nose ." to Laura.
What I found interesting is that some of the designers are channeling each other and previous challenges, not always to the good.
Angela made a dress Twiggy could have worn.
Laura's one perfect rose may have come from Angela's rosettes/fleurchons/granny circles.
Jeffrey is channeling Keith's entitled spirit.
And poor Alison channeled Vincent's crazy hats with her literal hair bow.
Can't help but wonder if the designs were switched, if Alison still would have been off. The judges would have seen the hair bow as Vincent's um--signature, and making something unflattering for the female figure is permissable for a man. See most of what Santino did in Season Two for proof.
Next to go off Parson's Island: Angela. Especially if it is down to Angela vs Vincent for worst! The producers do have a say and I suspect they want to see one designer estranged from the rest of the group and Vincent is now doing that role.
Never fear. Allison's work will be at Fashion Week, which is the best revenge.
At least Kayne knew his design was bad
But I thought my Saturn interior materials made sense.
I call this episode: Nice Guys Finish Last and First: Part Deux.
Last week Michael finally won, and sweet, spacey Bradley was out. This week, Michael wins again(the actual show should have stressed the wearable factor of the challenge to us in the designers' brief) and Alison is out for one misstep.
This week's lessons : 1)If a female does a bad design, it is more henious than if a guy does it.
Lesson 2) A plus-size model is anyone over a size 0.
Lesson 3) Jeffrey hasn't learned yet that life isn't fair. I think the neck tatoo is distracting the judges. Dear, this isn't the Indy 500 where you get bonus money for each lap you lead. The idea is to be in the top 3 before Fashion Week. And this is American Fashion. Will people buy it and wear it. You wanna do avant-garde, go to England, go to Paris for PR-Europe(which should be starting anytime!!).
Lesson 5) This episode hit a record for bon mots. Robert had at least two I want. "I recycle. I recyle paper, plastic, ex-boyfriends"(that has gotta go on a t-shirt at BPR!!)and his interview shirt that said: You look better online. I thought that Laura and Vincent would come to blows over Vincent"I cashed in my 401K"(this should be a constant subtitle whenever Vincent is onscreen lest we forget) "Stick a couple of Harry Winston's up your nose ." to Laura.
What I found interesting is that some of the designers are channeling each other and previous challenges, not always to the good.
Angela made a dress Twiggy could have worn.
Laura's one perfect rose may have come from Angela's rosettes/fleurchons/granny circles.
Jeffrey is channeling Keith's entitled spirit.
And poor Alison channeled Vincent's crazy hats with her literal hair bow.
Can't help but wonder if the designs were switched, if Alison still would have been off. The judges would have seen the hair bow as Vincent's um--signature, and making something unflattering for the female figure is permissable for a man. See most of what Santino did in Season Two for proof.
Next to go off Parson's Island: Angela. Especially if it is down to Angela vs Vincent for worst! The producers do have a say and I suspect they want to see one designer estranged from the rest of the group and Vincent is now doing that role.
Never fear. Allison's work will be at Fashion Week, which is the best revenge.
At least Kayne knew his design was bad
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Check your grammar before advising me on class. In the future I promise to leave the debating with the lower crust of fashion society to the rest of you on this board that seem to have issues with my previous posts.
Not gone yet?
Could this be this week's Troll? Nasty, nasty!!!
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What was Vincent's model wearing underneath the dress? Did you see the straps? That was not there when he was making the dress. How come he gets away with adding undergarments like that. A couple episodes back, his dress was very short and then his model showed up on the runway was some leggings. How come Zulema couldn't add something like that when she got reamed for the super short dress last season.
I think the Zulema disaster prompted Bravo to add leggings to the accessory wall.
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Check your grammar before advising me on class. In the future I promise to leave the debating with the lower crust of fashion society to the rest of you on this board that seem to have issues with my previous posts.
ROFLMAO....Let's see...screen name says "I'm too wonderful to be here"....posts say "I'm too wonderful to be here"...and yet....looks to me like there's that same need to get in the last word that my 13 years old has at times....you've said your dramatic farewell.....you won't be missed. Bye.
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And you've been here all of what three months before me? Wow! I guess that makes you an elder on this board. Let me tell you something, I've been involved and indulged in the fashion industry probably since you were a baby milking your mother’s tit. I've worked at one of the top fashion houses in New York with haute couture. So forgive me if I think my expertise warrants my opinion even though I haven't been on this site very long with you wholesale bargain basement shoppers.
You know Legendaryface, I think maybe you should find somewhere to vent that shares you low opinion of the rest of the human race.
Not everyone on this board shops in bargain basements, not everyone else on this board has no taste, not everyone else on this board does not know what couture fashion is.
You picked the wrong place to come on and slash us all, [expletive deleted] slap anyone, or post derogatory comments about people you don't even know.
Foodfanone is a poster that has been here all season, has had thoughtfull, insightfull posts, and that gets along with almost everyone.
We are a diverse crowd on here and about the only time there is any real board bashing going on is when a bunch of new people bombard the board.
For your information I probably own more couture fashion than you ever saw. I would know where to even go to bargain basement shop. I started modeling for Neiman Marcus when I was in my teens and have worked in the industry probably longer than you have been alive.
Don't come here and trash people you don't know and have no repore with.
If you want to post conversational thoughts and ideas we welcome you.
Sorry, but I for one am tired of people coming in here, passin judgement on things and people that have little to no knowledge of and trashing posters that have been here for some time.
Getting off the soap box and going back to a calmer mode.
I never respond on these type of boards, but I had to on this one. I totally agree, JEFFREY WAS ROBBED & he looked like he knew it! If he does visit this site or read the boards, he will know that the public, yeah, the people who actually buy the clothing from Macy's etc., voted him #1. I wonder what was the last piece of clothing Heidi actually bought from there? I think all the designers have their own individual talent in different areas, & I have agreed to most of the winners to date, but Jeffrey should have won this challege hands down. Heidi's comment was just rude & uncalled for, as I think most of her comments are. Has she looked in the mirror lately? Most of her outfits have been just plain hideous! If anyone should be kicked off, it should be Heidi! Why should a model be judging anyway? It's not about the modelling aspect, it is about the design. If the host must be one of the judges, then I think a designer should be the host.
Get away with what, exactly? You may not have agreed with their decision regarding Allison's pouf skirted, parrot-shouldered chubby dress, but the judges did have a reasonable basis for it.
I never react to these episodes with "he wuz robbed" or "she wuz robbed." Each time, I can see why the judges auf'ed the person. So long as they had some reasonable basis for their decision, that's fine with me even if I might have disagreed with their conclusion or my fave just got hosed. I don't think the judges are being arbitrary and capricious, [expletive deleted] to ratings, or puppets of the producers. I do see integrity in their decisions. Somebody has to go each week. It is what it is.
All this forehead slapping, bodice-ripping sobbing and emoting is really amazing to me.
I don't know why I bother to post. You always express my point of view exactly.
I never react to these episodes with "he wuz robbed" or "she wuz robbed." Each time, I can see why the judges auf'ed the person. So long as they had some reasonable basis for their decision, that's fine with me even if I might have disagreed with their conclusion or my fave just got hosed. I don't think the judges are being arbitrary and capricious, [expletive deleted] to ratings, or puppets of the producers. I do see integrity in their decisions. Somebody has to go each week. It is what it is.
All this forehead slapping, bodice-ripping sobbing and emoting is really amazing to me.
I don't know why I bother to post. You always express my point of view exactly.
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Has she looked in the mirror lately? Most of her outfits have been just plain hideous! If anyone should be kicked off, it should be Heidi!
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Why should a model be judging anyway? It's not about the modelling aspect, it is about the design. If the host must be one of the judges, then I think a designer should be the host.
did anyone see the show with tommy hilfiger that was on (CBS?) a year or so ago? similar idea, but we got to see so much more of the creative process. it really made it interesting.
btw, thanks to everyone for clarifying the muslin issue for a non-designer.
It seems to me that LengendaryFace missed the whole point of last nights show...It's not about where the fashions come from its about what you do with it. The world isn't made up of extremely wealthy people but I think, there's a ton of stylish people out there.
Artsy my *ss! Vincent's dress is the ugliest thing I've ever seen. It's fartsy! He really needs to visit some museums more frequently.
It is true that these comments reflect ignorance and prejudice on the part of those who make some of the major decisions in the fashion industry. It is not ok to be prejudiced against race or gender…but if you are a larger size it is still open season for people to judge you unfairly and act against you with prejudice. People are hateful, cruel, selfish and ignorant.
I have always found it amazing how fashion designers, marketers, and anyone wanting to make money in this capitalist society can ignore over 70% of the population by designing for such a small limited consumer body type. There is so much potential money to be made for anyone who can break into the market of designing elegant, sophisticated clothes for the “average” and large size women. The sponsors, Macys and Banana Republic, are consumer driven yet they, like other retail clothing stores, (targeting a thinner demographic of teenagers and those in their 20’s…anyone over 30 be damned!) …they completely miss out on the potential of making HUGE amounts of money. STUPID!
Larger size women would buy a hell of a lot more clothes if they could actually find things to wear that were complimentary to their body and to their taste. There are very few large size retail outlets, and most of them only provide a limited amount of hideous, patterned and appliquéd “costumes” as a substitute for real sophisticated, respectable fashion. When I walk into a Calvin Klein store I see muted beautiful tones and colors and a variety of wonderful textures and fabrics (nothing to do with the size of the clothes), when I walk into a large size store, all I see are loud bright colors, garish patterned fabric, hideous floral, animal and glitter, beaded applied designs stuck on the garments to try to make the clothes more interesting (again nothing to do with the actual size). It makes the clothes look like a circus vomited on everything and this is the only choice many “average” American women have to deal with when trying to find respectable clothing.
As a large size woman, when that is all you have to choose from that is often all you can wear and you have to find compromises because you can’t leave the house naked!
So a lot of "average" larger size people wear and make clothing choices that only support these fashion stereotypes because that is all they have as an option. (Unless you sew!).
I know I would spend sooooooooooooooo much more money on clothes if I could find them. There are many times I go shopping and can’t get anything, not because it doesn’t fit, but because I personally would rather wear the same plain black slacks and shirt I always wear than buy any of this ugly costume crap. The selection for sophisticated clothes is limited and impoverished. There are a few exceptions…but VERY FEW.
It is sad that project Runway perpetuates these fashion stereotypes and prejudices while trying to appeal to a consumer audience of average Americans who could never meet that idealized expectation or even purchase or wear anything made in the program or by their sponsors.
IRONY is alive and kicking among HYPOCRITS.
I am a former smoker, but not a plus size. Back when everyone was attacking smokers (rightly so), I thought that the overweight would be next. Excess weight is considered unhealthy, and America is all about glowing health at any cost.
I have always found it amazing how fashion designers, marketers, and anyone wanting to make money in this capitalist society can ignore over 70% of the population by designing for such a small limited consumer body type. There is so much potential money to be made for anyone who can break into the market of designing elegant, sophisticated clothes for the “average” and large size women. The sponsors, Macys and Banana Republic, are consumer driven yet they, like other retail clothing stores, (targeting a thinner demographic of teenagers and those in their 20’s…anyone over 30 be damned!) …they completely miss out on the potential of making HUGE amounts of money. STUPID!
Larger size women would buy a hell of a lot more clothes if they could actually find things to wear that were complimentary to their body and to their taste. There are very few large size retail outlets, and most of them only provide a limited amount of hideous, patterned and appliquéd “costumes” as a substitute for real sophisticated, respectable fashion. When I walk into a Calvin Klein store I see muted beautiful tones and colors and a variety of wonderful textures and fabrics (nothing to do with the size of the clothes), when I walk into a large size store, all I see are loud bright colors, garish patterned fabric, hideous floral, animal and glitter, beaded applied designs stuck on the garments to try to make the clothes more interesting (again nothing to do with the actual size). It makes the clothes look like a circus vomited on everything and this is the only choice many “average” American women have to deal with when trying to find respectable clothing.
As a large size woman, when that is all you have to choose from that is often all you can wear and you have to find compromises because you can’t leave the house naked!
So a lot of "average" larger size people wear and make clothing choices that only support these fashion stereotypes because that is all they have as an option. (Unless you sew!).
I know I would spend sooooooooooooooo much more money on clothes if I could find them. There are many times I go shopping and can’t get anything, not because it doesn’t fit, but because I personally would rather wear the same plain black slacks and shirt I always wear than buy any of this ugly costume crap. The selection for sophisticated clothes is limited and impoverished. There are a few exceptions…but VERY FEW.
It is sad that project Runway perpetuates these fashion stereotypes and prejudices while trying to appeal to a consumer audience of average Americans who could never meet that idealized expectation or even purchase or wear anything made in the program or by their sponsors.
IRONY is alive and kicking among HYPOCRITS.
I am a former smoker, but not a plus size. Back when everyone was attacking smokers (rightly so), I thought that the overweight would be next. Excess weight is considered unhealthy, and America is all about glowing health at any cost.
I never posts to message boards but as an avid, loyal, fan of PR I am compelled to respond to the absolute stupidity of the judges ( well maybe not the judges, since they are merely puppets) but the producers of this intensley creative show. HOW COULD THEY LET ALLISON GO!! I am so angry and so dissapointed in the outcome of this episode.
First, do the producers of PR think that we, as loyal viewers, are stupid?? Their obvious transparent attempt to create drama by keeping weirdo Vincent on the show by having Heidi's lame excuse by stating "He likes to push the envelope" Whatever Heidi, we are not that dumb! I could have made paper snow flakes and pasted them to the model and sent her down the runway. How was that fashion? It wasn't, it was arts and crafts! And why, the "It got me off" comment by Vincent? Disgusting and tasteless!
Allison was the true visionary, she exuded not only inate talent but extreme poise. Maybe that is what the producers didn't find creative enough. If only she would have made a lurid comment such as maybe referring to Heidi Klum as "sugar t**ts" maybe that would have guaranteed her a spot in the top three!!!
I hope the producers wake up and realize that the majority of us really care about this show. To me it is not just a reality show, but a show that allows us to see real art at work. What a refreshing change for TV.
Lastly, I promise..was choosing Rachel Zoe a poor choice to judge or is that just me? I love Nicole Richie, but have read the Vanity Fair article that she may be the one who pushed her to lose "the weight" and become a stick figure. I don't know she just seemed so vapid. Her "Loved It!" comment about Laura's dress was so a la Paris Hilton it was a joke.
First, do the producers of PR think that we, as loyal viewers, are stupid?? Their obvious transparent attempt to create drama by keeping weirdo Vincent on the show by having Heidi's lame excuse by stating "He likes to push the envelope" Whatever Heidi, we are not that dumb! I could have made paper snow flakes and pasted them to the model and sent her down the runway. How was that fashion? It wasn't, it was arts and crafts! And why, the "It got me off" comment by Vincent? Disgusting and tasteless!
Allison was the true visionary, she exuded not only inate talent but extreme poise. Maybe that is what the producers didn't find creative enough. If only she would have made a lurid comment such as maybe referring to Heidi Klum as "sugar t**ts" maybe that would have guaranteed her a spot in the top three!!!
I hope the producers wake up and realize that the majority of us really care about this show. To me it is not just a reality show, but a show that allows us to see real art at work. What a refreshing change for TV.
Lastly, I promise..was choosing Rachel Zoe a poor choice to judge or is that just me? I love Nicole Richie, but have read the Vanity Fair article that she may be the one who pushed her to lose "the weight" and become a stick figure. I don't know she just seemed so vapid. Her "Loved It!" comment about Laura's dress was so a la Paris Hilton it was a joke.
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Here's what I think... they're missing straight men ie women's boyrfriends and husbands.
So true! My husband gets home in time to catch last 15 minutes of the show. Last night, after Alison's was auf'ed he lamented "Oh no, they got rid of the hottest one."
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Just rewatched part of last nite's disastrous episode hehe
Heidi actually said to Vincent, "You are innovative and not scared" YEAH not scared of UGLINESS? of Vileness? haha
Well, that convinces me more and more that the Heidi huh jokes are more than justified..Heidi won't be Host of the Year anytime soon!
Well, moving on, do you guys think the Self proclaimed, Mr Superior, Jeff is going to win anything? Please, please, will Vincent be out next week? He has stepped over the boundaries of mortal fashion! HELP!
Please spare us......
If you look at the picture of Vincent's dress in Tim's Take, it really isn't that bad to look at. The asymertical black bands, the black straps, and the occasional black doodad amongst the stuff stuck on it makes for a very eye-catching design and shows a superior sense of composition and balance. And, seen full view, the texture is actually well done, too.
The thing may have been like a big cardboard tube when his model was on the runway, but it really is an interesting look. I think people dislike Vincent and are automatically writing off his dress without really looking at it. I also think his previous work was outdated and odd-looking (I hesitate to say crap becasue it was well-executed), but he did something really innovative here.
Can't believe I'm defending his dress. But, when you keep an open mind, it is just really interesting looking. And, it didn't commit the ultimate sin of making his model look fat.
I'm not a Vincent fan. But I do give him props for creating a really interesting look, here. Give that picture a really good look and now imagine that Michael, Laura or Kayne had done it. You'll be dumbfounded at what you see in it. I'm still picking my jaw up off the floor.
I know Tim hated it (and that is SO easy to do so on first look), but I'm stunned to find much to be impressed by in it, even if it isn't really wearable.
I kind of liked it.
Listening to Tim's podcast, it sounded to me like other designers were giving Vincent some grief about his dress and thinking he should have been ousted. When Vincent defending his dress, Laura spoke up and that's what we saw.
It seemed that Tim was saying that Laura was not alone or even instigated the voicing of displeasure that Vincent was chosen over Alison.
Did anyone else get that impression?
Also I thought that it was interesting that Tim said that "Icould not make eye contract with Vincent." As someone said earlier, anger at judges may have been misplaced?
It seemed that Tim was saying that Laura was not alone or even instigated the voicing of displeasure that Vincent was chosen over Alison.
Did anyone else get that impression?
Also I thought that it was interesting that Tim said that "Icould not make eye contract with Vincent." As someone said earlier, anger at judges may have been misplaced?
Lastly, I promise..was choosing Rachel Zoe a poor choice to judge or is that just me? I love Nicole Richie, but have read the Vanity Fair article that she may be the one who pushed her to lose "the weight" and become a stick figure. I don't know she just seemed so vapid. Her "Loved It!" comment about Laura's dress was so a la Paris Hilton it was a joke.
You can just see it in Allisons face "Oh God, she's one of those mean girls who tormented me in high school..." So people who call themselves stylist bug the...out of me
You can just see it in Allisons face "Oh God, she's one of those mean girls who tormented me in high school..." So people who call themselves stylist bug the...out of me
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Lastly, I promise..was choosing Rachel Zoe a poor choice to judge or is that just me? I love Nicole Richie, but have read the Vanity Fair article that she may be the one who pushed her to lose "the weight" and become a stick figure. I don't know she just seemed so vapid. Her "Loved It!" comment about Laura's dress was so a la Paris Hilton it was a joke.
You can just see it in Allisons face "Oh God, she's one of those mean girls who tormented me in high school..." So people who call themselves stylist bug the...out of me
that was meant to be Some...Somepeople who call themselves stylists
the lines of vincent's dress are actually pretty nice, imho. it's all the crap he put all over it that really ruined it, possibly in addition to the actual material.
taking a second look at all of them from the website pics, angela's was completely horrible. with that front square plate thing (i think there was one in back, too) it looks like a third grade art class project. maybe it was just so bad the judges didn't even want to deal with having to come up with snarky comments for it, and took the easy way out and auf'd alison.
and from the pic, hers doesn't even look that bad in silhouette -- remember bradley's shapeless "tumor" dress that got such raves? please. that was way worse. these judges are either completely clueless or complete tools.
taking a second look at all of them from the website pics, angela's was completely horrible. with that front square plate thing (i think there was one in back, too) it looks like a third grade art class project. maybe it was just so bad the judges didn't even want to deal with having to come up with snarky comments for it, and took the easy way out and auf'd alison.
and from the pic, hers doesn't even look that bad in silhouette -- remember bradley's shapeless "tumor" dress that got such raves? please. that was way worse. these judges are either completely clueless or complete tools.
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heidis job on the show is to stand around and be a total idiot.
she doens't even dress well to begin with and shes a model
she looks fat in everything she puts on her body, and shes barely pregnant.
all of her outfits are atrocious so i don't think she even be ALLOWED an opinion on what other people make in short amounts of time.
see? im not the only one that thinks so
Never seen Heidi look fat. Even when shes pregnant she looks great. Its just whomever is picking her clothes this season must be blind.
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Yes, Vincent's dress was a sack with trash all over it, but if you looked carefully, the lines of the gown were exquisite and the bodice was quite arrestingly cut. In real cloth without the trash doodads, this gown would have been worthy of Laura, Michael, or Kayne. The judges do see something in him, it's just hard for us out in TV land to see it as well.
Eeek, I so disagree but to each their own.
brillke
I loved the teal dress Heidi was wearing at the very beginning of the show, I wonder who designed it?
Poor Allison, I think they kept Vincent for the drama he and Kane are causing with Laura. JMO.
Poor Allison, I think they kept Vincent for the drama he and Kane are causing with Laura. JMO.
I thought it was definitely a poor choice. Many of the stylists seem to be enamoured with trends. Personally, I'd like to see less "stylizing" and more personal style.
Case in point, most of the icons depicted in last episodes worked with designers to create and perfect their own style. They set the trends, not followed them.
Case in point, most of the icons depicted in last episodes worked with designers to create and perfect their own style. They set the trends, not followed them.
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I think I've slummed here long enough. I just had to come and voice my opinion on foolishness that I've read. For the record I have more class in my right toe nail than most will garner over a lifetime. So on that note my good people I say au revoir.
Buh-bye. And don't forget to add a codicil to you will to leave that right toenai to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Somewhere in their basement is a reject room with low-class, no-class, and toe-class stuff.
ROFLMAO!!!
Thank you FF1 for taking her/he/whatever on. I always find it funny that people who calm they have class and the need to point it out, never do. Now if I can only figure out what class in a toe nail looks like, I will be good.
WOW what a night!! Both the show and the boards. Being West Coast, we see the show later and than I had 70+ pages to get throught.
I need punch.
i have to agree with that post as well. though surprised alison was so abruptly eliminated, i think it was inevidable, to me her designs were never outstanding, and frankly, i believe she should have been in the bottom last week.
i am noticing that if the editing of a particular episode centers exclusively on specific individuals, those individuals are in the top and bottom. neither uli nor angela was given face time last night.
as for angela, the only bad garment shes made, and only in design not execution, was her poofy skirt. her execution is impeccable and her style always shines through though she can compromise to the task at hand. lighten up folks. her inc outfit was beautiful, and dont pull the michael and laura thing cause it was identical to angela's pitch sketch!
i expect to see her at the end of this still standing.
i am noticing that if the editing of a particular episode centers exclusively on specific individuals, those individuals are in the top and bottom. neither uli nor angela was given face time last night.
as for angela, the only bad garment shes made, and only in design not execution, was her poofy skirt. her execution is impeccable and her style always shines through though she can compromise to the task at hand. lighten up folks. her inc outfit was beautiful, and dont pull the michael and laura thing cause it was identical to angela's pitch sketch!
i expect to see her at the end of this still standing.
And the proof behind that is how women like Katherine Hepurn, Jackie O, and Audry Hepurne lived through many decades but there styles stayed the same and remain to this day completely timeless. That's why the judges like Laura, I think. Her style is her own, it's personal and it doesn't sway through pressure from them or interaction with the younger designers. And it really has timeless lines in it like the high waist that Jeff was so rude about (I think it was him who made that comment).
I agree. It seems the producers have determined to make Laura the bad guy. We have NO IDEA what conversations precede the words coming out of anyone's mouth. I even thought last night that they had probably edited Laura's comments to Vincent to make it seem like she just attacked him out of nowhere therby serving two purposes-1. He becomes a sympathetic character and 2. She reigns as Queen B****. I like Laura. I am nothing like her. I am roughly her age, but I teach elementary school in rural Texas. And, I am plus size. I do not think all her designs look the same. What other design of hers did last night's dress resemble? If you mean all her designs are cut on classic lines, then yes. But they do not look alike. I also love Michael and can't stand Jeffrey (he lost me completely with the stroke comment last week) but I do think Jeffrey should have won. Now, Allison's outfit wasn't her best but oh my gosh, if I wasn't addicted to this show, I would quit. Aufing her was inane.
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Larger size women would buy a hell of a lot more clothes if they could actually find things to wear that were complimentary to their body and to their taste. There are very few large size retail outlets, and most of them only provide a limited amount of hideous, patterned and appliquéd “costumes” as a substitute for real sophisticated, respectable fashion. When I walk into a Calvin Klein store I see muted beautiful tones and colors and a variety of wonderful textures and fabrics (nothing to do with the size of the clothes), when I walk into a large size store, all I see are loud bright colors, garish patterned fabric, hideous floral, animal and glitter, beaded applied designs stuck on the garments to try to make the clothes more interesting (again nothing to do with the actual size). It makes the clothes look like a circus vomited on everything and this is the only choice many “average” American women have to deal with when trying to find respectable clothing.
As a large size woman, when that is all you have to choose from that is often all you can wear and you have to find compromises because you can’t leave the house naked!
So a lot of "average" larger size people wear and make clothing choices that only support these fashion stereotypes because that is all they have as an option. (Unless you sew!).
I know I would spend sooooooooooooooo much more money on clothes if I could find them. There are many times I go shopping and can’t get anything, not because it doesn’t fit, but because I personally would rather wear the same plain black slacks and shirt I always wear than buy any of this ugly costume crap. The selection for sophisticated clothes is limited and impoverished. There are a few exceptions…but VERY FEW.
It is sad that project Runway perpetuates these fashion stereotypes and prejudices while trying to appeal to a consumer audience of average Americans who could never meet that idealized expectation or even purchase or wear anything made in the program or by their sponsors.
IRONY is alive and kicking among HYPOCRITS.
I'm with you. Most of the clothes in the "large woman" section of many stores just scream "fat lady" and would be too mortifying to wear. I applaud those stores that are recognizing this market and responding to it. Our local Lord & Taylor, for example, recently moved its "women's" department from the depressing basement to a sun-filled chunk of its main floor and has stocked it with well-made clothing for businesswomen and those who just want to look well-turned out and reasonably fashionable. I hope other stores take notice and do the same.
I don't think that Project Runway is perpetuating fashion stereotypes, though. Stuff does look better on slim women, and this comes from a large woman. Personally, I enjoy watching it and thinking about whether those colors or styles could look flattering in my size. I'm the eternal dreamer and optimist, but I try not to let my own size interfere with my admiration for and enjoyment of others who dress well and look good, and that includes these beautifully thin models on the show.
I do think Heidi's comments were a bit unfortunate, but she was right. Clothes that make a woman of ANY build look fat are not attractive. Wearing something that adds weight really is a fashion no-no. I don't think her horror over making the model look like a "plus- size" model indicated a distaste for plus-size women or any kind of prejudice against them; rather, I think she was inartfully expressing her horror (and every woman's horror) of awful clothing making you look much fatter than you are.
I don't think Heidi is bigoted. You can see that she thinks in German, and that sometimes there is the slightest hesitation as she searches for the correct English phrase. I think she probably was just using the first fashion lingo that came to mind, is all. She's a very smart cookie, and I'm sure that these posts will sensitize her to finding other ways of expressing this particular concern.
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I wouldn't get too upset about Heidi's comments. One should never lose sight of the fact that she is there because of her looks, not her brains. She is never paid for her brains, even if a judge and I have often thought it odd that no one complained that she was a judge.
I believe Heidi of Project Runway, was one of the originators of the entire idea is one of the producers, and owns a piece of the action.
dont get it twisted....you really think she "was one of the originators of the entire idea".....shes not that smart....there is a reason shes a model
Damn, are you really Jeffery? Your post sound like something he would say. All models are stupid? Well, I heard all guys names Jeffery are a-holes.
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I'm not sure about this. If Jeffrey used material underneith not only would have Tim spotted it but he would have probably lost the challenge for not paying attention.
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I am nearly certain that the designers can use the muslin (that is available for patterns) on any design as long as it is completely covered. So Jeffrey was within bounds to use it as the structure under his dress. I think many of them did that in this challenge - Robert and Uli come to mind -too bad Allison didn't.
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I am nearly certain that the designers can use the muslin (that is available for patterns) on any design as long as it is completely covered. So Jeffrey was within bounds to use it as the structure under his dress. I think many of them did that in this challenge - Robert and Uli come to mind -too bad Allison didn't.
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Allison was kicked off because she's a girl. Kayne is a gay guy and Kors gave him more consideration.
Oh come on, your kidding right?
brillke
I'm completely disgusted that they allowed Vincent to get away with that piece of crap that his model couldn't even walk in and Alison was sent home. Her outfit was at least inspired! And the direction she was going in, it would have been very pretty had it fit a little better. I think they really need to take into account the overall performance of the designers. Vincent's been on the chopping block practically every show and Alison has been consistently strong. I'm pretty unhappy with their decision to make such a gifted designer leave the show while people with no skills are allowed to stay on.
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And you've been here all of what three months before me? Wow! I guess that makes you an elder on this board. Let me tell you something, I've been involved and indulged in the fashion industry probably since you were a baby milking your mother’s tit. I've worked at one of the top fashion houses in New York with haute couture. So forgive me if I think my expertise warrants my opinion even though I haven't been on this site very long with you wholesale bargain basement shoppers.
Your comments are unwarrented. Since you refer to your experience in the fashion industry in the past tense, one assumes you were fired for your attitude.
Alison should NOT have been auf'd. Vincent has been consistently tasteless and he should have gone home instead. I can never forget his terrible basket hat on the first challenge. Alison is too cute and has way too much potential.
Are you going through the last 80 pages and commenting? I was there while it was all happening...people weren't even listening to eachother it was insane....
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I don't smoke so you could be right. But seriously, why does no one know who Harry Winston is? He's a jeweler!
I think they were kidding. The HW wreath necklace is classic and everybody has seen them.
brillke
First off, I love Jeffrey Sibelia. When I learned he was going to be on Runway I went back and looked at his Cosa Nostra line. You see, I remembered that he was the friend that Santino Rice had worked for and wanted to refamiliarize myself with his clothes. I loved it. I thought it was so rock and roll and, being one of the first generation to grow up with R&R as the main focus of music, I looked at it as being classic.
Jeff was robbed last night. Michael is very talented and he did make a very nice outfit but Jeff's garment was so beautiful. Sculpting paper is one of the most difficult things you can do and I think he should have won for that alone.
Laura's dress was so boring. It looked, to me, like something Angela would do if she was told she could use exactly one embelishment. The in joke on the poor girl's arse left me completely nonplussed.
Kayne was given a pass because he showed at all. He knows how to make clothes (that I hate but...) even though his dress was horrid and that got him through. Vincent was given a pass because, even though the dress didn't work, he had an idea and he could stand on that runway and defend it. Poor Alison's dress was awful, badly constructed and when it came time to defend it she looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Therefore she had to go. She failed completely.
I love Alison. I thought it was telling that the people with lots of talent were devastated when Alison was voted off but she did deserve to go. It was fashion with no clear intent and that is never going to wash.
Jeff was robbed last night. Michael is very talented and he did make a very nice outfit but Jeff's garment was so beautiful. Sculpting paper is one of the most difficult things you can do and I think he should have won for that alone.
Laura's dress was so boring. It looked, to me, like something Angela would do if she was told she could use exactly one embelishment. The in joke on the poor girl's arse left me completely nonplussed.
Kayne was given a pass because he showed at all. He knows how to make clothes (that I hate but...) even though his dress was horrid and that got him through. Vincent was given a pass because, even though the dress didn't work, he had an idea and he could stand on that runway and defend it. Poor Alison's dress was awful, badly constructed and when it came time to defend it she looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Therefore she had to go. She failed completely.
I love Alison. I thought it was telling that the people with lots of talent were devastated when Alison was voted off but she did deserve to go. It was fashion with no clear intent and that is never going to wash.
While I appreciate your facility with the English language and share your disdain for conspiracy theories, I must emphatically state I disagree(respectfully) with you. As stated numerous times, Vincent has been in the bottom choices repeatedly while Allison has been in contention for the win at least twice I can recall. I thought Santino was a hoot last year, but it was obvious he was kept because (not, in my opinion because he made "good TV")the judges saw his outstanding potential in spite of some of his horrific ensembles. I thought the same would go for Allison. The potential would be judged and the bad outfit would be judged as a "one-off". I am still scratching my head.
I am with the rest of you guys about Allison getting the axe. It makes no sense whatsover to remove her from the show like that and not take into consideration her accomplishments thus far. Plus, she is so friendly and kind to others! I'm not worried about her, because I know she's going make it but I worry about the integrity of the show. This is like Wendy making it to the top three because she was controversial. It was all for the sake of good TV, NOT creativity and ability. Don't the producers of PR know that those who watch the show watch it for the creative element and not the stupid drama? I mean, we're not watching Flava of Love 2 here.
I want Vincent gone. He's annoying as a person and his designs are always missing the mark. He and Wendy need to head off to a remote island and make awful clothes for the natives. I will be SO PISSED and will write off this show forever if he or that no-talent Angela makes it another round.
And I have had it with Heidi's comments altogether. She acts as if a modeling career has made her a fashion expert. Um, last time I checked, the models just WORE the clothes. Why is she even there during the judging? She doesn't have anything to offer except whether or not she would wear something, and we've all had to suffer through her wardrobe choices so far this season...
I want Vincent gone. He's annoying as a person and his designs are always missing the mark. He and Wendy need to head off to a remote island and make awful clothes for the natives. I will be SO PISSED and will write off this show forever if he or that no-talent Angela makes it another round.
And I have had it with Heidi's comments altogether. She acts as if a modeling career has made her a fashion expert. Um, last time I checked, the models just WORE the clothes. Why is she even there during the judging? She doesn't have anything to offer except whether or not she would wear something, and we've all had to suffer through her wardrobe choices so far this season...
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Allison was kicked off because she's a girl. Kayne is a gay guy and Kors gave him more consideration.
Oh come on, your kidding right?
brillke
I'm afraid you misunderstand, Allison is a girl and Kors is Orange.
I like Laura too. Although I'm older than her, I taken a bit of her advice to heart. In the Road to Runway, she said that she never dresses down: it was a slippery slope ... the next thing you know, you're wearing sweatpants driving a mini-van.
I took a look at myself - wearing my husband's sweatpants & t-shirt. Extra pounds and two kids made it easy to stop trying ... got my hair and nails done the next day. Working on tossing the stretch pants.
(Must say that I don't have anything against mini-vans though)
I took a look at myself - wearing my husband's sweatpants & t-shirt. Extra pounds and two kids made it easy to stop trying ... got my hair and nails done the next day. Working on tossing the stretch pants.
(Must say that I don't have anything against mini-vans though)
I know the show was filming in May and early June. By "playing along" I meant comparing our ratings and opinions with those of the show's judge's. Kind of a more detailed version of "Rate the Runway"
I worked in the New York fashion industry in 1964. I was a receptionist for a fabric company, haha! So I have a long history with fashion. Also, the Phantom of the Opera has a legendary face.
I think the next challenge will be to design for a plus size woman. I base this guess on Heidi's comment "the average woman", the shape of the woman on the screen (Emme?) and the dress form Michael was using - it looked about a size 14. I am pretty sure I'm right and am looking forward to seeing it.
There have got to be better choices for guest judge than a woman who dresses stick figures
This is my first post and like many others I am more than a little disappointed with the uneven standards used for judging.
There were more than a few bad choices that led to Allison's downfall last night. The people at Tressemmee should be shot for creating that bow on that girl's head. Whoever suggested or dreamed up that "bow" should be auf'ed from the salon. Putting that radio antenna on the dress was not exactly an innovative touch either. It just made the dress look even more stilted and artificial. The model was already tall. Why add something else that accentuates that ?
In one respect, Heidi was right - one would expect more from a woman designer - after all if she wouldn't wear or didn't look good in her own work, why would anyone else ? Somehow, I just can not see Allison in that dress.
One good thing will come out of all of this, no one else will be burdened with the disproportionate sized model.
Up until this program, I actually thought reality tv and integrity could coexist. Not anymore.
There were more than a few bad choices that led to Allison's downfall last night. The people at Tressemmee should be shot for creating that bow on that girl's head. Whoever suggested or dreamed up that "bow" should be auf'ed from the salon. Putting that radio antenna on the dress was not exactly an innovative touch either. It just made the dress look even more stilted and artificial. The model was already tall. Why add something else that accentuates that ?
In one respect, Heidi was right - one would expect more from a woman designer - after all if she wouldn't wear or didn't look good in her own work, why would anyone else ? Somehow, I just can not see Allison in that dress.
One good thing will come out of all of this, no one else will be burdened with the disproportionate sized model.
Up until this program, I actually thought reality tv and integrity could coexist. Not anymore.
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Jeffrey is angry because his neck is bigger than his waist and he looks like he has down's syndrome.
Poor ugly Jeffrey, spent his whole life getting made fun of so now he has to make big, "artsy", cut-up clothing because he is "deep." And he has to get tattoos all over his neck because he is so "punk."
Whatever Jeffrey, if only your mother had gotten that coat hanger a little further in, we could have given your slot to someone else.
HOLY [censored]! Way over the line.
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