damselfly
August 27, 2006 - 08:03 AM
This, from the husband...
Since Wednesday is usually "hump day," the halfway point to the weekend- wouldn't that make Sunday the PR hump day? Sunday - a day normally given to rest and reflection, and recreation... preparation for the long workweek, now combined with the mid-week, get-past-the-halfway-point, turn the blahs to happier expectations... Anyway, so out with the old, in with the new. Time to brush away the last shreds of Jeffrey and Angela, what's next on Project Chopping Block? ("Auf mit der Head")...
CALady
August 27, 2006 - 08:14 AM
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This, from the husband...
Since Wednesday is usually "hump day," the halfway point to the weekend- wouldn't that make Sunday the PR hump day? Sunday - a day normally given to rest and reflection, and recreation... preparation for the long workweek, now combined with the mid-week, get-past-the-halfway-point, turn the blahs to happier expectations... Anyway, so out with the old, in with the new. Time to brush away the last shreds of Jeffrey and Angela, what's next on Project Chopping Block? ("Auf mit der Head")...
Good morning!!!
Great point. Working on something fun right now but not ready to post. Be back with you in a few.
Parnell
August 27, 2006 - 08:22 AM
Just glomming on here...
Good morning everyone! I should be getting some work done, but I thought I'd peeked in and see where the conversations headed. I guess it's the big Emmy day. I've got the TiVo ready to go.
Oh, and I've got a question, too. Does anyone know how to get tickets to Olympus Fashion Week? I mean, is it open to the general public, or is it for celebs and fashionisto/as only? Is it prohibitively expensive?
Just curious. One of these days, it would be fun to go....
CALady
August 27, 2006 - 08:24 AM
Gunn Day ( From White Christmas- sorry to Irving Berlin)
I'm dreaming of Tim Gunn on the Red carpet
Dressed up in black tux, tails and bow.
Where his words of wisdom and
gentlemen expressions,
Will make for one heck of a pre Emmy show.
I’m dreaming of insightful and yet
perhaps perplex comments from the Gunn
With his index finger placed on his cheek
And his brow steep
His words of design and fashion will be fun.
I’m dreaming of a fun PR Hump day with Gunn
Full of chatter of the next episode.
With the punch a flowing
and Emmy gowns showing
Before another week of workload.
May Tim’s day be merry and not berserk
And may we all hear him say, “Make it work”
notevayas
August 27, 2006 - 08:33 AM
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thanks MissOtis and good morning hon!!(for the links)
Good morning, Gina. I really liked Kara's collection. More than Daniel's or Chloe's. I've never entirely lost my hippie streak.
Kara used very rich silks in brilliant colours.
She seemed to have much inspiration from Africa and a total commitment to making fashion her life.
notevayas
ps.. I think the longer gown with the funky tiered skirt would make a great "hippie" wedding gown with a garland of flowers for the hair and bare feet!
Carole
August 27, 2006 - 08:33 AM
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Gunn Day ( From White Christmas- sorry to Irving Berlin)
I'm dreaming of Tim Gunn on the Red carpet
Dressed up in black tux, tails and bow.
Where his words of wisdom and
gentlemen expressions,
Will make for one heck of a pre Emmy show.
I’m dreaming of insightful and yet
perhaps perplex comments from the Gunn
With his index finger placed on his cheek
And his brow steep
His words of design and fashion will be fun.
I’m dreaming of a fun PR Hump day with Gunn
Full of chatter of the next episode.
With the punch a flowing
and Emmy gowns showing
Before another week of workload.
May Tim’s day be merry and not berserk
And may we all hear him say, “Make it work”
Really very cute! But now I will have that tune in my head all day.
Carole
August 27, 2006 - 08:34 AM
Blogging Project Runway has a good interview with Robert Best. Here's a start:
How did your gorgeous sister Teresa react to seeing herself on the show?
Robert: She hasn't seen it yet. I told her that they all but edited her right off the show. Nobody wants to watch people with good manners... evidently.
gina2
August 27, 2006 - 08:35 AM
very good point hubby, lets start guessing about this weeks episode lol =o)
Parnell
August 27, 2006 - 08:38 AM
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Kayne's- Fabric choices were excellent, the colors were very flattering to Pamela, Michael's mom. Those tailored, pin-tucked ivory satin cuffed capris weren't easy to make within the time constraints, and they looked like they fit Pamela very well. (I don't care and/or get it when people say women of short stature shouldn't wear capris. I'm 4'10", and from the South, what, our legs don't get hot like tall peoples'?) Tim Gunn mentioned proportion issues with this outfit in his podcast, it looked like the sleeves were too long/not quite right to me. The poncho/scarf thing bothered me, it looked like it was either too big or too little, but I loved the colors. Shorten the sleeve and/or add a pretty detail like a cutout (more skin!). The neckline needed a deep V, and maybe the print fabric would look better as a long scarf. (Oh, the irony of Nina saying "too matchey-matchey" while sitting next to the Kors times two in matching orange and black.
Welcome Art I., really good post. Can't wait to hear more forom you...
Just a quick note, though, on the great cropped pant debate. I don't think it is so much a matter of not expecting petite women to show any leg, but a matter of where the pants are hitting them in proportion to the rest of their bodies. If pants are cropped and stop mid-calf, it shortens you. That's why fashion experts advise women to wear flowing, long pants...they add length and are forgiving (i.e., they don't cling). Or else....
The most flattering length, on all women, is either just below or just above the knee. Anyway, that's what I've read several times/places from just about every fashion guru. Not everyone wants to be seen in bermuda shorts, however, so skirts are the usual option. I think another poster mentioned that the best part of nearly every woman's body is the cleavage, the collarbone, and the lower legs. So it's good to highlight those. (That deep V you talked about would! It also brings attention up to the face).
quiltmuse
August 27, 2006 - 08:43 AM
LOL! This saga gets better and better. Keep it up, gang -- I'm loving it! (to quote a commercial I won't name...)
'Make it work' indeed!
CALady
August 27, 2006 - 08:43 AM
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very good point hubby, lets start guessing about this weeks episode lol =o)
We have not seen them design a new uniform.
In season 1 it was the letter carrier's uniform and they all worn one and did the job for a day. In season 2 it was the
figure skater and each of them also worn a uniform.
Could this be around airline uniforms and could that be why we see them all working with dark colors in the preview?
damselfly
August 27, 2006 - 08:44 AM
(Still from the husband)
Good job, CALady! I sang your song for Damsel, apologies to Bing Crosby... She is much in admiration.
Might we perchance get some insight on Tim Gunn's personal constellations this evening? Tonight the man who is the ultimate unbiased mentor morphs into the... universal fan? Next.. The Evening News with Tim Gunn....? I'd watch.
charlotteb
August 27, 2006 - 08:47 AM
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Kayne's- Fabric choices were excellent, the colors were very flattering to Pamela, Michael's mom. Those tailored, pin-tucked ivory satin cuffed capris weren't easy to make within the time constraints, and they looked like they fit Pamela very well. (I don't care and/or get it when people say women of short stature shouldn't wear capris. I'm 4'10", and from the South, what, our legs don't get hot like tall peoples'?) Tim Gunn mentioned proportion issues with this outfit in his podcast, it looked like the sleeves were too long/not quite right to me. The poncho/scarf thing bothered me, it looked like it was either too big or too little, but I loved the colors. Shorten the sleeve and/or add a pretty detail like a cutout (more skin!). The neckline needed a deep V, and maybe the print fabric would look better as a long scarf. (Oh, the irony of Nina saying "too matchey-matchey" while sitting next to the Kors times two in matching orange and black.
Welcome Art I., really good post. Can't wait to hear more forom you...
Just a quick note, though, on the great cropped pant debate. I don't think it is so much a matter of not expecting petite women to show any leg, but a matter of where the pants are hitting them in proportion to the rest of their bodies. If pants are cropped and stop mid-calf, it shortens you. That's why fashion experts advise women to wear flowing, long pants...they add length and are forgiving (i.e., they don't cling). Or else....
The most flattering length, on all women, is either just below or just above the knee. Anyway, that's what I've read several times/places from just about every fashion guru. Not everyone wants to be seen in bermuda shorts, however, so skirts are the usual option. I think another poster mentioned that the best part of nearly every woman's body is the cleavage, the collarbone, and the lower legs. So it's good to highlight those. (That deep V you talked about would! It also brings attention up to the face).
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Thanks for the fashion tips, I for one need all the help I can get!
Also welcome Art...I thought your post was very thoughtful and it inspires me to look at lot closer at the designs.
CALady
August 27, 2006 - 08:49 AM
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(Still from the husband)
Good job, CALady! I sang your song for Damsel, apologies to Bing Crosby... She is much in admiration.
Might we perchance get some insight on Tim Gunn's personal constellations this evening? Tonight the man who is the ultimate unbiased mentor morphs into the... universal fan? Next.. The Evening News with Tim Gunn....? I'd watch.
OMG- I can just hear his comments to the reporters in the field after each of their clips. Comments such as- " Your story aesthetically speaking is well executed" " I don't get it"
"I am sending in the reporters" " Good report, carry on"
notevayas
August 27, 2006 - 08:53 AM
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I have also thought it strange that they PR have made us so cynical in how we view things that are a part of the program.
After Tim revealed how Nina Garcia influenced the judges in voting for Chloe I now do not believe much of what I see. Tim as far as I can see is the only one that gives us the straight poop on what is actually going on.
That is one reason I can not get too upset about Jeff's tirades and confrontation with Darlene. I don’t excuse it by any means, I just wonder what was edited out and ended up on the cutting room floor.
I think Tim Gunn's "straight shooting" is one reason we are seeing less and less of him on the show. He seemed to be a cardboard cutout or puppet on the Larry King show. When the designer Vincent was brought up, Gunn got to say "hmm" before Heidi Klum launched into a energetic defense of Vincent. I think Gunn is being subtly marginalized for correctly characterizing Chloe's "winning" runway show as "upholstery".
He is universally respected, so they are making him a "figurehead".
notevayas
CALady
August 27, 2006 - 08:57 AM
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I have also thought it strange that they PR have made us so cynical in how we view things that are a part of the program.
After Tim revealed how Nina Garcia influenced the judges in voting for Chloe I now do not believe much of what I see. Tim as far as I can see is the only one that gives us the straight poop on what is actually going on.
That is one reason I can not get too upset about Jeff's tirades and confrontation with Darlene. I don’t excuse it by any means, I just wonder what was edited out and ended up on the cutting room floor.
I think Tim Gunn's "straight shooting" is one reason we are seeing less and less of him on the show. He seemed to be a cardboard cutout or puppet on the Larry King show. When the designer Vincent was brought up, Gunn got to say "hmm" before Heidi Klum launched into a energetic defense of Vincent. I think Gunn is being subtly marginalized for correctly characterizing Chloe's "winning" runway show as "upholstery".
He is universally respected, so they are making him a "figurehead".
notevayas
Good points. I also read in an interview with him that this schedule of filming conflicted with his work schedule at Parson and that he was not around as much for this season as past seasons.
Carole
August 27, 2006 - 08:58 AM
Hooking on: here's a link to an interview with Michael Knight:
http://blackvoices.aol.com/black_entertain...v00050000000011
Carole
August 27, 2006 - 09:02 AM
I think Tim Gunn's "straight shooting" is one reason we are seeing less and less of him on the show. He seemed to be a cardboard cutout or puppet on the Larry King show. When the designer Vincent was brought up, Gunn got to say "hmm" before Heidi Klum launched into a energetic defense of Vincent. I think Gunn is being subtly marginalized for correctly characterizing Chloe's "winning" runway show as "upholstery".
He is universally respected, so they are making him a "figurehead".
notevayas
Whoa! never thought of that, and good call! Are they jealous of Obi-Wan Gunnobi?
damselfly
August 27, 2006 - 09:06 AM
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I have also thought it strange that they PR have made us so cynical in how we view things that are a part of the program.
After Tim revealed how Nina Garcia influenced the judges in voting for Chloe I now do not believe much of what I see. Tim as far as I can see is the only one that gives us the straight poop on what is actually going on.
That is one reason I can not get too upset about Jeff's tirades and confrontation with Darlene. I don’t excuse it by any means, I just wonder what was edited out and ended up on the cutting room floor.
I think Tim Gunn's "straight shooting" is one reason we are seeing less and less of him on the show. He seemed to be a cardboard cutout or puppet on the Larry King show. When the designer Vincent was brought up, Gunn got to say "hmm" before Heidi Klum launched into a energetic defense of Vincent. I think Gunn is being subtly marginalized for correctly characterizing Chloe's "winning" runway show as "upholstery".
He is universally respected, so they are making him a "figurehead".
notevayas
Wifey here....great perspective...so sad though I think Tim is the only one left who adds credibility to the show...It's at Parsons, not MK's or ELLE's studio, he's important...Fashion can be so one sided these days...My husband and I were actually have a debate about this show being trapped somewhere between Haute Couture and Ready to Wear...The judges want wearabiitly but they also want new and innovative. Sometimes those things don't go hand in hand...
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August 27, 2006 - 09:08 AM
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An interview with Angela's mom is on the Blogging PR board. She says she doesn't fly and asked them if she could take the train. They said "No, it's the plane or nothing". She flew. For the first time in her life. She was, probably, already drained from nerves.
Although some of the Moms/sisters took this challenge in stride, and some might have enjoyed the experience, I hope PR's producers have learned a lesson. The designers signed on for all of this, their relatives did not. Not taking into consideration a family member's physical health or mental well being could have caused irreparable damage. IMO, this was not PR's shining moment.
Bravo Project Runway is insisting that this is a "favorite episode"? This reminds me of what another poster said about Vincent being given what should have been Uli's win in order to justify the producers decision to keep him and "auf" Alison in the last episode.
The lies keep compounding and creating ill will and a certain tiredness with us, the fans. The "auffing" of Alison who was never a favourite of mine, has put all the remaining designers on notice that design alone will not be enough to make it to the end of the competition. They have to play the reality game as well.
So, Uli, come on.. start fighting with someone, or make a play for Michael.. or better yet Kayne. I want you to stay IN!
notevayas
Parnell
August 27, 2006 - 09:08 AM
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Kara's PR collection:
http://www.karajanx.com/
Kara's 2006 fall collection:
http://nymag.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006...unway/karajanx/
I really like Kara's PR collection. In fact, I wish we'd seen that instead of Chloe's "Brass Plum" show. I was really disapointed in Chloe's shiny, matchy-matchy fabric choices. AND, seeing the great things Kara did makes me even madder that Kara wasn't in the real final three. I was always irritated by the fact that Chloe announced that she didn't really want it, anyway, and then took up someone else's spotlight. Poor Kara.
Did they have Kara do a mock-collection in case someone dropped out or couldn't show? Knowing this helps explain why Chloe didn't pick Kara as her sewing slave for the 13th look. I always thought that was a little odd, and the producers/show never mentioned it.
If that is the case, how do you think Kara orchestrated her 13th look? I mean, if she was really playing along, wouldn't she have had to do a last minute look, too?
wl60
August 27, 2006 - 09:15 AM
As a recent poster, I have not read the thousands of posts so...please excuse any duplicate comments. Has anyone questioned production on this task yet? Why did you introduce another possibility of sabotage by giving them another designer’s relative? Why didn't you just have them dress their own? It would've illuminated the human aspect that would undoubtedly enter. There seems to be some very poor decisions made to favor the sensational or possibility of the sensational. I would prefer seeing this show take the higher ground and actually entertain AND educate. Most of us began watching hoping for both. There is a massive, grass roots movement in design and construction of children's/teen and young women’s clothing over the last 6-8 years through EBay. Many of us have no formal education in THIS area (like Angela and Laura) but have been sewing for decades. There seems to be a distinct favoritism towards 'trained' designers. Why aren't they permitted to bring their own equipment? There is a big, immediate, disadvantage for someone not trained on the instrumentation (machinery if you prefer) and yet you make a big deal out the rules and Keith's breaking of them. If you want things truly on level playing ground, they each should be able to bring the tools of their craft including machines and their own models. You have to remove as many criteria as possible to form that level playing ground. The problem is the prejudices that exist among those making the rules and determining the tasks. The only group tasks should involve ALL members of the group being ousted not just the possibility of one. And nobody should be immune for group tasks. Talk about opening the door to sabotage. Please stop going for the sensational and make this a more realistic and fare competition. I'm not sure I'll continue watching at this rate. I want something more mature in nature and educational. Example, show how one designer's construction is done right while another is done wrong....up close and revealing. And....if construction is essential....illuminate those who can't ‘do’ right off at the beginning. I have had my garments gone over with a fine tooth comb for a simple blue ribbon for 4-H at local fairs. This is for a major competition, large amounts of money and a permanent change of life. Far more then a blue ribbon and yet rules are stricter and more finite. It's almost laughable the terribly poor construction seen on this show. Professionals???? This program needs some legitimacy besides the famous names. Too many of us know better then to consider what we are looking at as truly professional work.
CALady
August 27, 2006 - 09:18 AM
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(Still from the husband)
Good job, CALady! I sang your song for Damsel, apologies to Bing Crosby... She is much in admiration.
Might we perchance get some insight on Tim Gunn's personal constellations this evening? Tonight the man who is the ultimate unbiased mentor morphs into the... universal fan? Next.. The Evening News with Tim Gunn....? I'd watch.
Wish we all could have heard you sing. Just wanted to put some joy out there for the day. Thanks for the comment but remember I am only a "little grasshopper" to FF1. I sit at her hem when it comes to writing.
damselfly
August 27, 2006 - 09:27 AM
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As a recent poster, I have not read the thousands of posts so...please excuse any duplicate comments. Has anyone questioned production on this task yet? Why did you introduce another possibility of sabotage by giving them another designer’s relative? Why didn't you just have them dress their own? It would've illuminated the human aspect that would undoubtedly enter. There seems to be some very poor decisions made to favor the sensational or possibility of the sensational. I would prefer seeing this show take the higher ground and actually entertain AND educate. Most of us began watching hoping for both. There is a massive, grass roots movement in design and construction of children's/teen and young women’s clothing over the last 6-8 years through EBay. Many of us have no formal education in THIS area (like Angela and Laura) but have been sewing for decades. There seems to be a distinct favoritism towards 'trained' designers. Why aren't they permitted to bring their own equipment? There is a big, immediate, disadvantage for someone not trained on the instrumentation (machinery if you prefer) and yet you make a big deal out the rules and Keith's breaking of them. If you want things truly on level playing ground, they each should be able to bring the tools of their craft including machines and their own models. You have to remove as many criteria as possible to form that level playing ground. The problem is the prejudices that exist among those making the rules and determining the tasks. The only group tasks should involve ALL members of the group being ousted not just the possibility of one. And nobody should be immune for group tasks. Talk about opening the door to sabotage. Please stop going for the sensational and make this a more realistic and fare competition. I'm not sure I'll continue watching at this rate. I want something more mature in nature and educational. Example, show how one designer's construction is done right while another is done wrong....up close and revealing. And....if construction is essential....illuminate those who can't ‘do’ right off at the beginning. I have had my garments gone over with a fine tooth comb for a simple blue ribbon for 4-H at local fairs. This is for a major competition, large amounts of money and a permanent change of life. Far more then a blue ribbon and yet rules are stricter and more finite. It's almost laughable the terribly poor construction seen on this show. Professionals???? This program needs some legitimacy besides the famous names. Too many of us know better then to consider what we are looking at as truly professional work.
Welcome, great ideas!!! I have been wondering the same...Like the time they give them...maybe they shouldn't get weeks but why not more days...this allows for better work as well as more drama...come on producers everyone wins...I had true hopes that these people were going to be truely impressive but they are falling apart trying to accomplish unrealistic tasks that even MK wouldn't be able to accomplish or even asked to with out several seamstresses and access to whatever materials he could get his hands on...
marley:)
August 27, 2006 - 09:27 AM
What if Aretha Franklin came a callin'? What would Jeffery say to her? I wish Jeffery would shut up and design some clothes. Or try to.
CALady
August 27, 2006 - 09:30 AM
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What if Aretha Franklin came a callin'? What would Jeffery say to her? I wish Jeffery would shut up and design some clothes. Or try to.
Good point, She would have begun singing “Respect” Something he wants but is not always willing to give.
gina2
August 27, 2006 - 09:38 AM
quote**I think Tim Gunn's "straight shooting" is one reason we are seeing less and less of him on the show. He seemed to be a cardboard cutout or puppet on the Larry King show. When the designer Vincent was brought up, Gunn got to say "hmm" before Heidi Klum launched into a energetic defense of Vincent. I think Gunn is being subtly marginalized for correctly characterizing Chloe's "winning" runway show as "upholstery".
He is universally respected, so they are making him a "figurehead".**
I can tell you one thing, I think Tim Gunn helped make this show and if they do just make him a "figurehead" I will definitly not be watching as much.
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August 27, 2006 - 09:58 AM
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I have also thought it strange that they PR have made us so cynical in how we view things that are a part of the program.
After Tim revealed how Nina Garcia influenced the judges in voting for Chloe I now do not believe much of what I see. Tim as far as I can see is the only one that gives us the straight poop on what is actually going on.
That is one reason I can not get too upset about Jeff's tirades and confrontation with Darlene. I don’t excuse it by any means, I just wonder what was edited out and ended up on the cutting room floor.
I think Tim Gunn's "straight shooting" is one reason we are seeing less and less of him on the show. He seemed to be a cardboard cutout or puppet on the Larry King show. When the designer Vincent was brought up, Gunn got to say "hmm" before Heidi Klum launched into a energetic defense of Vincent. I think Gunn is being subtly marginalized for correctly characterizing Chloe's "winning" runway show as "upholstery".
He is universally respected, so they are making him a "figurehead".
notevayas
Good points. I also read in an interview with him that this schedule of filming conflicted with his work schedule at Parson and that he was not around as much for this season as past seasons.
Ithink Tim did not make a comment on Vincent because he does not like him as clearly evident in all of his blogs and pod cast. As our mother's taught us, if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all
CantBoilWater
August 27, 2006 - 09:59 AM
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She should be on survivor - it's all strategy with her... her designs are either too much or too ugly or BOTH...
I am not a betting person, but if I were, I'd put my money on Angela's getting auf'd this week. Vincent would be my second choice. I mean, come on . . . how many chances does a person get? Look at poor Alison. I hated her dress in the recycle challenge, but it still seemed a little unfair that she was given the boot after some strong showings. (How she and Jeffrey ever finished the Macy's challenge is beyond me. That was a beautiful outfit.)
So Angela this week. Vincent the next. Laura after that. Then Kayne.
That's my prediction, and I'm stickin' to it.
Until after the next episode, that is.
kanigirrrrl
August 27, 2006 - 10:10 AM
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Welcome, great ideas!!! I have been wondering the same...Like the time they give them...maybe they shouldn't get weeks but why not more days...this allows for better work as well as more drama...come on producers everyone wins....
32 production days. Any more days = more production costs = less profit for producers = not going to happen.
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August 27, 2006 - 10:22 AM
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Welcome, great ideas!!! I have been wondering the same...Like the time they give them...maybe they shouldn't get weeks but why not more days...this allows for better work as well as more drama...come on producers everyone wins....
32 production days. Any more days = more production costs = less profit for producers = not going to happen.
Well than maybe less challenges, more people kicked off during group challenges, and more complex challenges...I don't know. I get the whole money makes the world go round thing...but one has to hope for integrity...
Carole
August 27, 2006 - 10:23 AM
Welcome, great ideas!!! I have been wondering the same...Like the time they give them...maybe they shouldn't get weeks but why not more days...this allows for better work as well as more drama...come on producers everyone wins...I had true hopes that these people were going to be truely impressive but they are falling apart trying to accomplish unrealistic tasks that even MK wouldn't be able to accomplish or even asked to with out several seamstresses and access to whatever materials he could get his hands on...
I read (I think it was Andy's blog) that the week after next is a challenge that really cuts the time allowed down to ridiculous lengths. It does seem they are trying to make this show less about fashion than stupid TV.
dcjewbear
August 27, 2006 - 10:25 AM
Naw, wouldnt rip you a new one dc, i do respect yours and everyone elses opinions. I am happy to agree to disagree. Very surprised at your change of opinion about Kayne however. Ive always loved the big goof. I also agree Uli is a master with the prints. Its late and Ive got nothing witty left to say so night,
brillke
Nope, I knew YOU would get what I was saying so the chances of you being rude were slim to none.
As for my reactions to Kayne there are several things that changed my mind.
One was the way he bonded with Robert, cause I love me some Robert Best. I think he just ran into a stream of unfortunate challenges for him and it was eventually the end for him. Through it all Kayne never distanced himself from Robert ,though, and I thought that showed a lot of character.
Two was when he talked about dumpster diving. Back in the bad old days of punk rock my friends and I used to dumpster dive behind some of the city's best fashion houses and then make haute punk couture from what we found. There's nothing like an expesive Armani coat that is ripped apart and then reconstructed with safety pins and the like. We looked fabulous!
The third was when Alison was voted off and he insisted that the designers make the moment about Alison instead of going into their own little [expletive deleted] sessions. To me that showed a lot of class and I thought that it showed him to be a person of substance.
You know, I've never had a problem with people ripping into me. My choices in these things have never been popular so it's going to happen. I liked Jay in the first season, Nick and Santino in the second (I also had an affection for Danny V but, then, so did everyone else) and my pick for Top Chef was Miguel. I still follow those people and am thrilled at anything they do.
I've worked in the Hotel biz all my life so I guess I love flamboyant, interesting people. With them around drama is bound to happen (hmmm, does that sound familiar?). I'll always have these opinions. I just value the people who can respect what it is that I have to say.
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August 27, 2006 - 10:42 AM
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Welcome, great ideas!!! I have been wondering the same...Like the time they give them...maybe they shouldn't get weeks but why not more days...this allows for better work as well as more drama...come on producers everyone wins....
32 production days. Any more days = more production costs = less profit for producers = not going to happen.
I hope that the production time was the result of the switch from a fall debut to a summer debut of the season. I have hopes that next year more time will be given so that the editing can be more even. I'll keep my fingers crossed with that hope in mind and wait and see.
dcjewbear
August 27, 2006 - 11:02 AM
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I am shocked Jeffrey wasn’t euthanized by Angela after his less than “dog pound” treatment of her mother. And what was that God awful ET triangle sewn on her chest?Yes, Jeffrey it might just be time to phone home and, if you keep it up, you’ll be calling collect with the accepting party asking “Jeffrey who?”. He needs to suffocate himself w/Michael’s plastic wrap before he has to design new dentures for his big mouth. Of course, before he can do this, he must unstick his lips from Vincent walking garbage art glue stick. Oh, and newsflash, Robert and the “barbie people” fooled us all by using Project Runway to promote Barbie’s new geriatric line coming this fall to a store near you. And one more thing, has anyone checked out the 8 cent reward for the delusinal man that escaped a psychiatric ward a few months ago. The reward is not for the man but for the stolen scaps taken while cutting out paper dolls which, while the man was escaping, was screaming frantically “I refuse to let this refuse be tossed away like it was refuse. I can make beautiful walking garbage and everyone will bow down to me with appreciation. I truly hope they remember to wear undergarments!”
Now that was completely nasty without having the redemptive qualities of humor. I'm completely nonplussed.
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August 27, 2006 - 11:03 AM
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Kara's PR collection:
http://www.karajanx.com/
Kara's 2006 fall collection:
http://nymag.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006...unway/karajanx/
I really like Kara's PR collection. In fact, I wish we'd seen that instead of Chloe's "Brass Plum" show. I was really disapointed in Chloe's shiny, matchy-matchy fabric choices. AND, seeing the great things Kara did makes me even madder that Kara wasn't in the real final three. I was always irritated by the fact that Chloe announced that she didn't really want it, anyway, and then took up someone else's spotlight. Poor Kara.
Did they have Kara do a mock-collection in case someone dropped out or couldn't show? Knowing this helps explain why Chloe didn't pick Kara as her sewing slave for the 13th look. I always thought that was a little odd, and the producers/show never mentioned it.
If that is the case, how do you think Kara orchestrated her 13th look? I mean, if she was really playing along, wouldn't she have had to do a last minute look, too?
When Fashion Week was held, the show in which Kara was eliminated hadn't yet aired, so she showed at Fashion Week, so as to not spill any beans. But, since she was showing, she was, also, not eligible to be chosen for anyone's 13th design (according to Kara's statements after the series ended.) But, do you remember the camera showing an "obviously" put out face on Kara, when she wasn't chosen by Choe? Once again, editing. lol We are their puppets.
wl60
August 27, 2006 - 11:08 AM
I had hoped this show would NOT be just like all the other reality shows but lend some credence to showing the reality of certain professional communities. What really happens behind the scenes....how normal people get past industry prejudices.....breaking stereotypes, etc. This show is turning out just as bad as all the others. I wonder if production decisions are made by a group of Emos because the human conflict is all they seem to favor.....drama, emotions, human sensationalism, conflict, etc. Vincent is a good example (how the heck he won that last challenge I'll never understand (((eye roll))) ). Are they just keeping him around for the ultimate, live, mental breakdown? The man clearly does not work well with others, can't design to save his poor misguided soul and his clothing never fits the criteria of the challenge let alone the model. I just see this show as another in a long line of others that have set aside a fabulous opportunity to be a dignified, realistic reality show. They create settings and environments for the intentional human dynamic to be showcased. THAT is NOT the real world in a professional setting.
wl60
August 27, 2006 - 11:21 AM
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quote**I think Tim Gunn's "straight shooting" is one reason we are seeing less and less .....
It appears to me as if My. Gunn's natural personality and comments may be highly censored and I believe the reason is probably because of the conservative faction in other industries...not the fashion industry. i.e. advertisers. He is highly respected in THAT industry, however, aspects of his personality may label him in other industries ...offording him far less respect then he deserves....which personally I feel stinks but is a fact of life. I agree.....I'd like to see his full potential and honest comments. He's right about hot pants if for no other reason then all those women who try to be fashion forward........most definitely should never attempt hot pants. The percentage of women who can wear them successfully is miniscule but those that think they can get away with it a scary, opposite extreme....too many! ) I want to hear what Mr. Gunn has to say. He's a straight shooter I've found to be right...in my humble opinion.... 99.9% of the time in his comments.
Parnell
August 27, 2006 - 11:28 AM
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Kara's PR collection:
http://www.karajanx.com/
Kara's 2006 fall collection:
http://nymag.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006...unway/karajanx/
I really like Kara's PR collection. In fact, I wish we'd seen that instead of Chloe's "Brass Plum" show. I was really disapointed in Chloe's shiny, matchy-matchy fabric choices. AND, seeing the great things Kara did makes me even madder that Kara wasn't in the real final three. I was always irritated by the fact that Chloe announced that she didn't really want it, anyway, and then took up someone else's spotlight. Poor Kara.
Did they have Kara do a mock-collection in case someone dropped out or couldn't show? Knowing this helps explain why Chloe didn't pick Kara as her sewing slave for the 13th look. I always thought that was a little odd, and the producers/show never mentioned it.
If that is the case, how do you think Kara orchestrated her 13th look? I mean, if she was really playing along, wouldn't she have had to do a last minute look, too?
When Fashion Week was held, the show in which Kara was eliminated hadn't yet aired, so she showed at Fashion Week, so as to not spill any beans. But, since she was showing, she was, also, not eligible to be chosen for anyone's 13th design (according to Kara's statements after the series ended.) But, do you remember the camera showing an "obviously" put out face on Kara, when she wasn't chosen by Choe? Once again, editing. lol We are their puppets.
Thanks, Miss Otis. That really clears things up. And, yeah, I totally played into that look on Kara's face. I remember thinking that she was "dissed" by Chloe.
KittyBat
August 27, 2006 - 11:32 AM
Two was when he talked about dumpster diving. Back in the bad old days of punk rock my friends and I used to dumpster dive behind some of the city's best fashion houses and then make haute punk couture from what we found. There's nothing like an expesive Armani coat that is ripped apart and then reconstructed with safety pins and the like. We looked fabulous!
DCJB, I have been reading your posts for a while now and I think you may be my musical soul mate. Funkadelic and punk, Wow! If you like opera too, I think I might love you, LOL. In a platonic way of course.I was a punk in L.A. in the late 70's, early 80's. Hung around The Germs, Black Flag, X, Fear, etc. I see you have your email posted, could I send you a Bizarro cartoon I think you would like? I wish I could post more here, but I have an ancient computer that freezes up almost every time I do. But, I read you all and enjoy. It's frustrating when I want to jump in and can't. Oh well.
wl60
August 27, 2006 - 11:53 AM
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Welcome, great ideas!!! I have been wondering the same...Like the time they give them...maybe they shouldn't get weeks but why not more days...this allows for better work as well as more drama...come on producers everyone wins....
32 production days. Any more days = more production costs = less profit for producers = not going to happen.
My disagreement to your comment is reducing costs in other areas. Here are just a few suggestions that I'm not sure have been made before. Again, forgive my laziness in not reading the thousands of postings and wasting your time if this is a repeat comment.
1. First challenge: 6 groups of 5 designers = 30, you illuminate the worst 3 groups. No room for sabotage, you get to see how they function in a team, see construction proficiency and design ability. Task: $25 at Good Will to design an 8 piece mix and match outfit for a teen going back to school. Could even work a teen model search out of it bringing in additional advertisers increasing revenue. Low cost....cuts the dead wood and incompetents from the group and gets the only team challenge done and over with so you can see who is and is not a team player. It also reduces preproduction time and expense because you don't have to spend so much time narrowing down the # of contestants. Educational because people who need to be inventive with their wardrobe budget can see how to remake recycled items into modern, contemporary fashion on a tight budget.
2. Another task lets say for the Miss America gown, why not decrease cost at the front by first having all the designers make their dress in muslin. Keep the final designs and loser until the end. The worst is canned and the top 3 get the money to make their design producing the winner only professional seamstresses put the final dresses together so nobody sees them....not even the designer....until the runway. The seamstress making the winning design gets some favored prize of a job, article, something furthering their career based on their quality technique. Less money spent and another aspect of this industry introduced to the show....the life of the seamstress who actually DOES all the work (yes, I favor the underdog in most cases LOL)
3. The humbling task: make them go door to door asking for any fabric scraps or notions they can get to put together an everyday design. No cost plus America can get an idea of just how few or many people out there do sew. It's not as indimidating as people think. Everyone use to do it even men during the depression.
4. The children's design program where a child model find and prize can be awarded. This brings in additional advertisers from the children's industry ... hence increased revenue for the show. Would also draw in a much larger viewing audience because this market has exploded with 'home grown' designers who would take an interest in a show on children's clothing design.
... running out of time.....where is the men's clothing challenge????? Yes women's wear is primary in the industry but we can't forget the quickly growing class of metrosexuals with $$$ to spend. This seems to be a big opportunity missed in my book. How about designing something for Donald Trump and maybe new wife and child too????? Just a thought....he's rich...he could cover that cost just to advertize and promote himself and his shows.
The ideas are infinite but the show seems to be stuck in a rut. Is it safe to think we won't have to watch the agony of the 'living plant' outfit? After 2 disastrous seasons of that stupidity, I hoped that's the end of that.
damselfly
August 27, 2006 - 12:03 PM
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Kara's PR collection:
http://www.karajanx.com/
Kara's 2006 fall collection:
http://nymag.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006...unway/karajanx/
I really like Kara's PR collection. In fact, I wish we'd seen that instead of Chloe's "Brass Plum" show. I was really disapointed in Chloe's shiny, matchy-matchy fabric choices. AND, seeing the great things Kara did makes me even madder that Kara wasn't in the real final three. I was always irritated by the fact that Chloe announced that she didn't really want it, anyway, and then took up someone else's spotlight. Poor Kara.
Did they have Kara do a mock-collection in case someone dropped out or couldn't show? Knowing this helps explain why Chloe didn't pick Kara as her sewing slave for the 13th look. I always thought that was a little odd, and the producers/show never mentioned it.
If that is the case, how do you think Kara orchestrated her 13th look? I mean, if she was really playing along, wouldn't she have had to do a last minute look, too?
When Fashion Week was held, the show in which Kara was eliminated hadn't yet aired, so she showed at Fashion Week, so as to not spill any beans. But, since she was showing, she was, also, not eligible to be chosen for anyone's 13th design (according to Kara's statements after the series ended.) But, do you remember the camera showing an "obviously" put out face on Kara, when she wasn't chosen by Choe? Once again, editing. lol We are their puppets.
You know what's great about Kara's collection more than Chloe's...I believe she would wear her clothes...That's what is great about Uli, Laura, and even Angela (whether you like her clothes or not) You see their style as something you can believe because it's so obvious they like it and wear it. I don't think I remember Chloe wearing anything that really reflection her design concepts and collection.
MissOtis
August 27, 2006 - 12:12 PM
Regarding Tim's remarks about Daniel V.'s "sour grapes" and shock at not winning, I really turned off Dan near the end of last season because of his attitude. His clipped remarks to Heidi when she said she would have auffed him but for his immunity over his design for Chloe. And his asking Tim to help him find a special jacket for his showing at Fashion Week when Tim was there to help him with his collection, made me wonder if Dan was assuming he had already won and was assuming Tim was, too.
MissOtis
August 27, 2006 - 12:16 PM
BRAVO, if you're listening:
When you play and replay the marathons from past seasons of Top Chef and Project Runway, please play the reunions, too.
TIA
Miss Otis
gina2
August 27, 2006 - 12:44 PM
hiya wl!! I love those ideas!!Seriously! I hope the people at Bravo read them!! =o)
gina2
August 27, 2006 - 12:46 PM
hiya damsel!! quote"I don't think I remember Chloe wearing anything that really reflection her design concepts and collection. **
How could she? all of her clothes were obviously made for tall people and would come down to her knees or ankles!! LOL LOL and NO I am NOT putting down short people being 5'4 myself lol
gina2
August 27, 2006 - 12:48 PM
great idea MissOtis!! they never do do they? =o(
brillke
August 27, 2006 - 01:19 PM
"Nope, I knew YOU would get what I was saying so the chances of you being rude were slim to none.
As for my reactions to Kayne there are several things that changed my mind.
One was the way he bonded with Robert, cause I love me some Robert Best. I think he just ran into a stream of unfortunate challenges for him and it was eventually the end for him. Through it all Kayne never distanced himself from Robert ,though, and I thought that showed a lot of character.
Two was when he talked about dumpster diving. Back in the bad old days of punk rock my friends and I used to dumpster dive behind some of the city's best fashion houses and then make haute punk couture from what we found. There's nothing like an expesive Armani coat that is ripped apart and then reconstructed with safety pins and the like. We looked fabulous!
The third was when Alison was voted off and he insisted that the designers make the moment about Alison instead of going into their own little [expletive deleted] sessions. To me that showed a lot of class and I thought that it showed him to be a person of substance.
You know, I've never had a problem with people ripping into me. My choices in these things have never been popular so it's going to happen. I liked Jay in the first season, Nick and Santino in the second (I also had an affection for Danny V but, then, so did everyone else) and my pick for Top Chef was Miguel. I still follow those people and am thrilled at anything they do.
I've worked in the Hotel biz all my life so I guess I love flamboyant, interesting people. With them around drama is bound to happen (hmmm, does that sound familiar?). I'll always have these opinions. I just value the people who can respect what it is that I have to say. "
You are a Miguel fan eh? PoconoBarb knows him and has pictures to prove it. Several from the TC boards made a TC fan site, PR is discussed there too, and Miguel has joined. He hasnt posted yet but we cant wait to hear from him.
brillke
damselfly
August 27, 2006 - 01:21 PM
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Two was when he talked about dumpster diving. Back in the bad old days of punk rock my friends and I used to dumpster dive behind some of the city's best fashion houses and then make haute punk couture from what we found. There's nothing like an expesive Armani coat that is ripped apart and then reconstructed with safety pins and the like. We looked fabulous!
DCJB, I have been reading your posts for a while now and I think you may be my musical soul mate. Funkadelic and punk, Wow! If you like opera too, I think I might love you, LOL. In a platonic way of course.I was a punk in L.A. in the late 70's, early 80's. Hung around The Germs, Black Flag, X, Fear, etc. I see you have your email posted, could I send you a Bizarro cartoon I think you would like? I wish I could post more here, but I have an ancient computer that freezes up almost every time I do. But, I read you all and enjoy. It's frustrating when I want to jump in and can't. Oh well.
(From Damsel's Husband)
My hat's off to DCJewbear and KittyBat. I've been somewhat surreptitiously participating in the PR board through my wife's screen name. Didn't expect to find old school punks here.. What the heck, the punk/hardcore scene always had the least predictable people involved. I wasn't where the action was in time or place, but those bands speak to me. Now where is that old box of tapes?
nycitymom
August 27, 2006 - 01:56 PM
Michael HAS GOT TO WIN!!! i'm putting all my money on him
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