cyaml
August 23, 2006 - 07:52 PM
This was such a disappointing episode. It seemed that the slimmer moms were picked first and then the designers could not design for the "everyday" woman...like me. I am a size 18 and I would never wear what Robert, Vincent or Jeffrey designed...awful. I was disappointed with Jeffrey's behavior which was unnecessary. Robert had to go...boring again...the same every week.
swiss74
August 23, 2006 - 07:52 PM
Just jumping in...
Well this is one where you need to remember, "Be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it." I was not surprised that Robert was sent home. As for the Jeff and Angela's mom skirmish, she should not have betrayed him about the colors to Gunn and he should not have been so defensive and opened his mouth. Was I surprised no, I just think it was a bad time to introduce this kind of a challenge because possibly one of the better designers was sent home. I would have loved to see what Robert would have produced if he made the top 3.
I also noticed that Angela was the only one asked how she felt about her mother's/sister's design. I thought that was unfair to Jeffery. There was a lot of hostility there on Angela's part.
Now for my last comment, I do not feel the women should have been able to determine anything about the outfits. The garments were difficult enough for them in many respects and the added "model" comments made it almost impossible. It probably added more constraints and made the project almost impossible for some. I feel that the ones that had the plus size people were at a disadvantage in some ways and when you add the constraints of the women's likes and dislikes it was really difficult. I don't think Jeff's garment was that ugly. Robert if he could have found a chiffon in red similar to Uli's garment he would not have been sent home.
This was probably the most disturbing episode yet. It was not at all satisfying in any respect.
Now about Vincent's win. He never should have been there to even be able to design in this episode. I think what he did produce was not that bad. Maybe that is his area, "the older woman clothes." As I said in my previous comments, this was a very unsatisfying episode.
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August 23, 2006 - 07:53 PM
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Robert is such a sweetie but he will survive. I knew when he did two solids and nothing but a tank dress he was in trouble.
Yeah, surely he could have found a red, black, and white print of some sort!
i thought that it was very "mom" the way robert's model trie dto support him when it was clear the judges didnt like what he designed for her. unfortunately as a large woman she is probably afriad of pattern. robert likely designed what she expected. which is why if he were a "great" designer he would have challenged her and succeeded. he didn't
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August 23, 2006 - 07:54 PM
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I think that Angela's mom made it difficult for Jeffery, he was being realistic about what HE could do for her in 24 hours. And I don;t blame him for not putting purple and green together, what is she the JOKER? I wouldn't be surprised if she acted that way to make him look bad. He was being honest in what he was saying even though people took it as him being a jerk. Editing makes it seem so much worse. But he was annoyed by HER not because she was Angela's mom. I agree, his outfit was not that great, but passable concidering some of the crap that the others put out. Uli and Michael's were great.... but that was it. Laura bothers me because she reminds me of a teacher I had.... and damn her for trying to make everyone look like her. Michael and Uli clearly have this competition in the bag!
Whatever you think of the Angela/Mom vs. Jeffrey crap, he would have been much better off not saying anything offensive to her. Be the bigger person - ya know. Instead, he chose to insult her on national tv. No class, sorry
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August 23, 2006 - 07:55 PM
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I'm about to think cause i think that Michael might win again. Ohh my gosh, i'd go crazy if he does. Thats my man. You go boy.
YEAH!! He came out of nowhere, didn't he? I love him!
Oh, I dunno. I think his first dress with the coffee filters was fantastic. I don't know why he wasn't acknowledged from the very beginning. In fact, even his R2R dress was killer.
I think the judges are having a hard time finding reasons not to vote Michael number one every week. Loved Tim's take, he absolutely does not like Vincent and has dropped any pretence that he ever did.
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August 23, 2006 - 07:56 PM
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I agree on jeffery for last week, though i loathe jeffery. michael's tenor southern accent is so fkkking sexy. i badly, badly want to makeout with him. *smile* and, i think kors is seduced by the lips and the voice, too. he looks at michael sometimes like he is thinking, "oh. yes! chocolate!" LOL!
OMG, that's horrible (but probably true)
too funny.
Ok, since you can't escape it here, enjoy my following 2 cents on the Angela's mom/Jeffrey fracas.
Jeff = total [expletive deleted]. You never talk to someone's mom like that, no matter how fricking odd/crazy she may be. He could have politely disagreed with her about things. Angela's mom, however - a little off (hated saying that) Her runway trashing was over the top. I am sure we're missing large pieces of this story because of the time constraint, and honestly I could care less. I watch this show for fashion.
ps. my mom would have ripped my heart out for speaking to another's mom like that - no matter how loony that other is. My mom would have had the grace to call her a whackjob behind her back with me over a beer.
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August 23, 2006 - 07:56 PM
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why is angela's mother being such a nasty saboteur? i don't buy her act for one minute. jeffrey's the one in the competition, not her. get over yourself, lady, it's not about you.
But it is about her...she is the client. Yes, she may have given mixed messages, but it is his job to pull it out of her and talk her into what he feels is more flattering. He just acted like a spoiled 3 year old who didn't get his way.
They showed him crying with his mom and saying that Robert was one of the good ones; there were others who should go....Angela, maybe? Why can't he show some small bit of compassion for anyone? It doesn't matter if you like the person you are designing for, you just have to 'make it work'.
Sabatoge - pleaseeeeez - she answered Tim honestly - would you have worn what Jeffery made her? Even if you were a size 6?
Ok I get that you are "blood" kin with Angela and her Mom...I just wished this episode had included more interviews with "ALL" the models. This show was edited to elicit extreme points of view...just like the last episode. I would have loved to hear what they thought about their designed look. I'm dissappointed...this show could have been so much better and uplifting and personable than it turned out to be. It was so off balance...such a wide variety of models...not really fair to all the designers.
I Agree, they should have shown more of the other moms and sisters.
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August 23, 2006 - 07:56 PM
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thank you, thank you, i am glad to see there is someone out there who can grasp the fundamentals of media television, it aint about honesty. i feel for jeffrey, he is intense and opiniated and already doing design for top notch cool clinets, he isnt used to this crap, and angelas mother wanting purple and green, i think he instinctively knew the judges woul dhave torn him apart for that one. look what they did to robert--he gave her the colors she wanted, he gave her the coverage she asked for and bam, he got it. when people are breathing down on you and they have crazy making switch opinions like these judges, one can fall very easily into a do it just to get by rudimentary production. i think the bashing of the judges beat the juice right out of spunky Robert. i too would buy anything jeffrey made, personally i dont want a designer or any artist to kiss my hiney, im paying for their artistic vision, not their western materialism ass kissing.
If you do not think it was a set up from the producers knowing the tension that already existed between Angela and Jeffery, you are all fools. What are the odds for Jeffery to get Angela's mom last. I will bet you that in Heidi's bag, every name was in there except for Jeffery so that it would be the last name called. Remember this is show biz not about honesty. (I do think Jeffery is too open and too honest about his feelings, but he is a great designer) Wake up everybody..... Angela's mom would never be Jeffery's client but that was not what this challenge was about. It was sad seeing the conflict but if I was Angela's mom I would be more open to try something new. Even though Jeffery's dress was not that flattering, he did create lightness and some fashion interest high up around the collar area for the viewer to focus on instead of the shape first. It brought attention to her face. If Jeffery did a design using her purple and green color choices, it would be great for Halloween.
Robert's design was boring. It could be bought at any average USA town in America. She did not have to go to a designer for this look.(Remember Nora's wedding gown challenge in season 1?)
Uli should have won. Her model had more of a challenging figure and it was great, fun, sexy, happy.
JEFFERY CAN DESIGN ANYTHING HE WANTS TO MAKE FOR ME.
I AM MIDDLE AGED AND IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO HAVE A DESIGN BY HIM. LONG LIVE ART !
MAY JEFFERY REACH THE TOP. I WILL DEFEND HIM...
marieclaire
August 23, 2006 - 07:57 PM
OK, I hear you. But a plus-size, older woman spends a lot of time trying to find something, anything, that will work on her.
She's learned what will not work on her out of necessity and hard experience.
If I had a designer working for me, I would want him/her to listen to what I know about my body and coloring before proceding, then I would listen to what he/she had to say. It's a collaborative effort but the end result is supposed to benefit me, the client.
Anyway, J was just rude and hostile both becasue that's who he is and because she is Angela's daughter. I don't know when I've seen such ugliness (from J, not from you) except in Presidential press briefings.
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August 23, 2006 - 07:57 PM
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I thought this was interesting from Tim's Take:
" High drama unfolds between Jeffrey and Darlene. Darlene is unhappy with Jeffrey’s fabric choices, to which Jeffrey responds, “But I got what you wanted!” It unravels even more with crying and anger and interventions from Angela, who helped fuel the incendiary circumstances, and Pam, Jeffrey’s mom, who tried to extinguish the flames. "
Angela is no innocent in this. Not at all.
Darlene was. This is not about Angela. This is about Jeff's behavior with his client, without which there would have been no opening for Angela. And, I am no Angela fan.
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August 23, 2006 - 07:57 PM
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Disappointed yet again. While Vincent did improve somewhat, I thought Uli's outfit was more creative and flattering. Vincent's outfit made Uli's mom look like she had a poochy belly.
Amen to that. I didn't like the fit at all.
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August 23, 2006 - 07:58 PM
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It's interesting to read everyones opition on the whole Jeffery VS Angela's Mom scenario. I'm with Jeffery 100%..I still admit that he is kinda gruff and straight forward. But Angela's Mom - I just wanted to yell at her - i dont even think she watched the show or knew what she was doing. And she did say about how about making a fitted jacket...so unrealistic in such a short amount of time. and the whole crying crap..uh made me angry - stop crying and angela was totally coaching her mom.
but anyways, im sad that robert has to go..i hope he gets tons and tons of boys from this show.
and i did notice that vincent wasnt crazy this time around...i usually hate him..
you hope he gets tons and tons of boys - whoopie for morality
Yikes! Not sure if "morality" refers to monogamy or heterosexuality, but consider that Bravo is a very gay-friendly channel and those kinds of comments may not fly so well here.
milehidjc
August 23, 2006 - 07:59 PM
A professional designer does not refuse to listen to the client's wished or input into the desging that the CLIENT is going to wear. Jeffery highlight of the program was "wearable newspaper". Robert is history. why are so many down on Angela? Her mother was a typical mother with hugely normal requests and interests in clothes. Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Foley's, Wallmart, Target, JC Pennys, have responded to these requests. the difference: They dont tell the client to 'get away from my table" He will not make it to the end.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:00 PM
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Jeff is still in! Whew, dodged a bullet this week.
I bet this isnt the first bullet tat boy has dodged,real or perviable.
brillke
BuddhaDog
August 23, 2006 - 08:00 PM
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Now to my other feelings....
Laura...
Your disgusting....do you even know what your children are doing while your on the show? Do you care? Your comment about throwing "IT" on the pile with the other "ones" made me sick.....you only care about your own needs...your children are accessories.....the best part? All those people you are trying to impress....saw this...........I feel sorry for your children.
Don't you think she was kidding? I'm pretty sure she was. As for what her children are doing? I'm sure they are fine as are Jeffrey and Vincent's children. I don't hear you accusing them of being bad fathers for not being with their kids.
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When she commented on Roberts dress....it made me mad....she basically said that he should have overridden his clients desires....His client even said she liked it. Yet again, Heidi felt the clients desires were not important....ignore a heavy person's ideas....they mean nothing. Heidi.....your opinion means nothing in the real world.
Robert was honest...did what his client wanted and "HE" is out? This show is amazing.
She said the liked red and black. He could have gotten a really cool print that was predominantly red. She may have liked it but it looked like some polyester outift my grandma would wear.
milehidjc
August 23, 2006 - 08:00 PM
get a grip. this woman did not have an agenda. she reacted to being disrespected just like YOUR mother would. You idiot.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:01 PM
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Really good show. Laura is pregnant, Jeff is a recovering alcoholic, and Vincent won! I love this show!
And drug addict who was living on the street...That's why his mom stood up for him. She's just happy he isn't in a gutter somewhere.
marieclaire
August 23, 2006 - 08:02 PM
Yes, but why does Heidi like Vincent so much? Strange.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:02 PM
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I completely agree that Angela and her mom were trying to sabotage Jeffery. In fact....they booted Robert off for trying to please his "model" and making something boring. Then they criticize Jeffery for not listening to his client. The judges need to make up their minds. Also Angelas mom would have complained about anything Jeffery made. I thought his dress was fully appropriate and the splash of color around her face set it off beautifully. A dark green with the other purple would be HIDEOUS...kinda tells you how little style Angela's mohther has and where angela gets her horrific ideas
Maybe she should have asked to borrow her daughter's favorite cap to accessorize! okok just joking!
lakbuffalo
August 23, 2006 - 08:03 PM
Interesting edit of Tim's Take (are you a producer???)
He also wrote
Jeffrey’s design for Darlene (Angela’s mom) receives this week’s Jubilee Jumbles Award. It was a monastic, floor-length atrocity. (A holy mess, pun intended!) ... I applaud Darlene for being the good sport that she was and having the guts to wear it.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:04 PM
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get a grip. this woman did not have an agenda. she reacted to being disrespected just like YOUR mother would. You idiot.
If there's one thing women are sensitive about it there size...It was a bad combo from the get go. He was not going to be sensitive to her needs as a woman let alone a client... His style is to prove how great he is and anyone who gets in his way will be pushed aside...It's actually a very lonely way to live
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August 23, 2006 - 08:04 PM
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Your disgusting....do you even know what your children are doing while your on the show? Do you care? Your comment about throwing "IT" on the pile with the other "ones" made me sick.....you only care about your own needs...your children are accessories.....the best part? All those people you are trying to impress....saw this...........I feel sorry for your children.
ummmm.... pretty sure that was a JOKE... and a funny one at that. I loved it and hope this gets added to the PR quotations list.
I so agre L2P. It was a joke. My mom used to say things like that all the time. as soon as Laura said it I thought of my mom and had to smile. I want to be adopted by Laura.
brillke
Vadrian7
August 23, 2006 - 08:05 PM
Maybe jeffreys mom was embarrassed. I don't know. I do know that you can not like Angela all day long but this is still someones mother--PERIOD. Show some respect. I just couldn't get around around him acting like that. I understand this is a challenge where your ass is on the line but in this instance you have to be more open. Come on. On the other hand, I have noticed how many are saying that a designer would have to design for everyone and all but I don't fully agree. What top high fashion designers do you know that make plus size clothing?? Anyone who has made it big has a specific market. Unfortunately it's all about thin people. I'm a big guy and I can't really get mad because everything doesn't come in my size or that Versace doesn't make clothes that I can wear. I assume that this is the same for women.
FireStitch
August 23, 2006 - 08:06 PM
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A professional designer does not refuse to listen to the client's wished or input into the desging that the CLIENT is going to wear. Jeffery highlight of the program was "wearable newspaper". Robert is history. why are so many down on Angela? Her mother was a typical mother with hugely normal requests and interests in clothes. Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Foley's, Wallmart, Target, JC Pennys, have responded to these requests. the difference: They dont tell the client to 'get away from my table" He will not make it to the end.
yeah, exactly. but i am not sure jeff will not make it to the end. when the judges were criticizing jeffery's design, heidi "intervened" with a comment that jeff has a pov. this "having pov" designation in the past two seasons has been like a get out of jail free card, especially santino last season, and jay from season one.
LNYBOY
August 23, 2006 - 08:06 PM
Hello,
Robert, Best wishes! You can play with my barbie anyday! Sad to see you go.. I knew they were going to keep Angela and Jeffrey just to keep the drama alive. I have to admit that tatoo boy was out of line. He took all of that "dry drunk" behavior out on A's mom and her dress did look like it came off the rack at Salvation Army. Time to go catch a meeting bud!
Bye!
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August 23, 2006 - 08:06 PM
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It's interesting to read everyones opition on the whole Jeffery VS Angela's Mom scenario. I'm with Jeffery 100%..I still admit that he is kinda gruff and straight forward. But Angela's Mom - I just wanted to yell at her - i dont even think she watched the show or knew what she was doing. And she did say about how about making a fitted jacket...so unrealistic in such a short amount of time. and the whole crying crap..uh made me angry - stop crying and angela was totally coaching her mom.
but anyways, im sad that robert has to go..i hope he gets tons and tons of boys from this show.
and i did notice that vincent wasnt crazy this time around...i usually hate him..
you hope he gets tons and tons of boys - whoopie for morality
Yikes! Not sure if "morality" refers to monogamy or heterosexuality, but consider that Bravo is a very gay-friendly channel and those kinds of comments may not fly so well here.
thank you camden. Why would one assume 'tons and tons of boys" mean he's going to bag a bunch of boys anyway. Robert was sweet and funny as hell. He's not my type but I'd chat him up in a bar and wish him well. (maybe touch his ass, who knows?)
marieclaire
August 23, 2006 - 08:06 PM
Agree with the last comment, unless it meant "boys" as in "underage."
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August 23, 2006 - 08:07 PM
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Disappointed yet again. While Vincent did improve somewhat, I thought Uli's outfit was more creative and flattering. Vincent's outfit made Uli's mom look like she had a poochy belly.
I loved Tim's description of the pilgrim collar... very apt! Although, I did think when I first saw it that he had made a sweetheart neckline which I thought very odd... then I realized it was a collar that was oddly positioned.
Amen to that. I didn't like the fit at all.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:08 PM
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August 23, 2006 - 08:09 PM
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Laura...
Your disgusting....do you even know what your children are doing while your on the show? Do you care? Your comment about throwing "IT" on the pile with the other "ones" made me sick.....you only care about your own needs...your children are accessories.....the best part? All those people you are trying to impress....saw this...........I feel sorry for your children.
ummmm.... pretty sure that was a JOKE... and a funny one at that. I loved it and hope this gets added to the PR quotations list.
I so agre L2P. It was a joke. My mom used to say things like that all the time. as soon as Laura said it I thought of my mom and had to smile. I want to be adopted by Laura.
brillke
I have this image of her kids ( who seem really silly and crazy in the video) jumping on eachother...a big pile of arms and legs...and if you have more than 2 you understand how the older ones take an "active role" in rasing the younger (if you know what I mean) it usually involves bruises and tears...but anyway, love her attitude and humour.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:09 PM
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i want to add this as after watching this program and angelas behavior i have to. i know angela personally, she is VERYYYYY passive/agg, to the point of almost being underlying violent, her mother sabatoged jeffrey, on purpose or just as a matter of deeply inggrained behavior. The backstabbing you have seen on this program is but a day in the life of miss a and the way her mother dissed him behind his back and on stage was simply disgusting, then cried to get even more amp. he's a designer, a's mother was *huge*, she would be very difficult to design for, jeffrey embraced the fact with grace, and she needed to appreciate the effort anyone would apply to the challenge.
You say you know Angela personally? Then you don't know her very well!!! I;ve known her ALL her life!!! Blood in fact! There is NO EXCUSE FOR JEFFREY's behavior - did you see anyone else on the show treat anyone elses sis or mom that way!!! Every one else listen and took in what their clients were telling them....... Jeffrey is a DISGRACE, yeah he has class, ALL LOW!!! It was known that he wouldn't even get his picture taken with his OWN mother when they were all there - so what does that tell you!!! And as far as Darlene being HUGE!!! Look at Vincent's sister, Kayne's mom, Michael's mom!!! Pleaseeeeeee!!!
yes, this would be expected from someone from the family, lots of !!!!, big caps, all that drama, yee haa, dramadramadrama. angelas mom sabataged jeffrey, period, she said things behind his back that she would not have said were he standing there. she asked for a tailored jacket when she is a plus size and an entire outfit must be made and finnished in a day, a day people, do you grasp what that means in real time? do you understand what it feels like to be burned at the stake for incomplete work? to stand up there with the cameras on you, and be [expletive deleted] slapped. he worked well in his challenge, he is a designer, from La, already designing for big clients, he is not working at tar-gay and there to kiss your, the 'client's' ass. the guests neede to show graciousness at being flown in to see their loved ones, put up in ny, and given such special attention. to add her ill sickly little comments onto an already stressed situation is well in keeping with the behavior that runs thru. and defenddefenddefend. nobody gonna talk about my mame. could we all just elevate to understand that this is indeed a program operating outside of the tri-county area and that artists and meant to follow their inner calling and attitude, bad or otherwise, that's what makes them artists. be glad angels'a mom didnt end up with Santino.
Jesus, I don't care who may or may not know anyone on this show, but everyone take a Xanax and chill out. It's just a show. Sure, I'd push my own mother out of a speeding car if it would get me home faster in time to watch it, but it's just a show.
ps. love you mom.
lol this topic is kinda funny. so many people feel passionately about this!
anyways..aj, take ur own advice and take a chill pill. it is, in fact, just a show where these events took place months ago.
i do agree with u that angela's mom wanting the tailored jacket was absurd BUT jeffrey handled that well (though somewhat harsh). angela's mom listened and she did not expect a jacket after jeffrey explained to her. also, please tell me when she was talking behind his back? tim asked her a question, she answered. though i do find it odd that she said she has never worn navy...and jeff did get her the deep purple.....why was she upset?
u say that jeff has worked for "big clients" but when he was making the garment he agreed with robert about "not knowing proportion with this type of body"
angela's mother, im sure was grateful to be there. heck, im sure she was happy angela made it THAT far. the challenge did say that one has to take the client into account. he doens't have to kiss the "client's ass" as u say but he should find a good middle ground. (the garment was ugly and size does not have to be an issue- look at uli's garment)
by the way, if u say u don't care who knows who on the show, why did u bring up the fact that u know angela in your original comment...
i can see both points of view but i feel that jeff was more-so in the wrong than angela's mother.
-just my thoughts
Whatevah
August 23, 2006 - 08:09 PM
First post to say: I can't stand Vincent. He's so out there the show is almost unwatchable with him on it.
spiritisb
August 23, 2006 - 08:10 PM
Once again Bravo comes through with their lop-sided sense of fair play. Why not put all of the designers in the same boat? Plus size models FOR EVERYONE. I think the outcome would have been quite different.
Robert got hell for doing what his client wanted and Jeff got hell for not doing what his client wanted. (I'm coming unglued) I'd love to see the rule book on this show. This show is getting really hard to watch. It really isnt fun anymore. Bravo, Shame on you. It was much more enjoyable when you still had a glimmer of fair play.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:10 PM
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he did NOT approach the project with grace. He was horrible to her. As a client, I would have fired him in a heartbeat. His petulance and arrogance does not make him talented. The guy is a piece of xxxx and has no business on the show. So far he has proven he hates dogs and mothers. What more do you need to know about him?
Please....As a designer I would have refused the job and sent her to Omar the tent maker.
The point, to me, is that Jeffrey is on national television and his reputation is on the line with millions of viewers. He is smart enough to realize that (or so I would hope.) Therefore, he needed to deal with his client, difficult or not, with grace and caring. Think how Kayne, Robert, Laura, or Uli would have handled Angela's mother. They would have flattered the heck out of her, raved about how she would look in light blue, etc, etc.
love2paint
August 23, 2006 - 08:10 PM
[quote} I want to be adopted by Laura.
brillke
OOOhhh!!! Me too! And she can toss me on any pile as long as it's one of he piles of $$$s, LOL.
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August 23, 2006 - 08:11 PM
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So it's not ok to talk to someone's Mom liked that, I get it.
But it's ok to call someone an idiot?
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August 23, 2006 - 08:11 PM
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Your disgusting....do you even know what your children are doing while your on the show? Do you care? Your comment about throwing "IT" on the pile with the other "ones" made me sick.....you only care about your own needs...your children are accessories.....the best part? All those people you are trying to impress....saw this...........I feel sorry for your children.
ummmm.... pretty sure that was a JOKE... and a funny one at that. I loved it and hope this gets added to the PR quotations list.
It most certainly has! (I loved it, too!)
Suz1018
August 23, 2006 - 08:12 PM
"I ended up with Angela's Mom cause I think God got drunk today." - Jeffrey (What a tool!)
"I will call him Mini-Me" - Michael Cors Mom
I didn't care for any of the designs except Michael's.
Marco21
August 23, 2006 - 08:12 PM
just jumping off stevenvs
Everyone is so inflamed regarding Angela's mom and Jeffrey. Why? Is there any surprise here?
Jeffrey was a [expletive deleted]? Wow, didn't see that coming.
Angela's mom was a little off like her daughter Angela? Shocker.
Get over it.
shar06
August 23, 2006 - 08:13 PM
Vincent has won me over, not so much re his designs, but re his personality. He's an odd duck, but a decent, genuine person, I think.
Jeff, on the other hand: he has a soul mate in Seinfeld's character, the soup-nazi. "No designs for you!" Imagine yourself as his paying customer--would you tolerate that same level of rudeness from a grocery store check-out girl, or a clerk in Tarjet?
He has no excuse for his conduct. You can be irritated by a person, or even actively dislike them, and still choose to treat them with respect.
marieclaire
August 23, 2006 - 08:13 PM
You're right. But these folks have put themselves up for whatever challenge that comes their way. I sure rather design for a plus-size woman that make a dress from plants or trash! Overall, I'm in awe of all the designers because some of them always seem to be able to make something lovely out of a strange concept.
angelbrat
August 23, 2006 - 08:15 PM
Uli's? awful.. gawd no more prints for the plusers! I am so sick of seeing them do that. Get fat? Stick a big ugly print on your body!
Michael's? TERRIBLE... matronly.. unflattering and made her look fatter than she is. Can we say "ugly robe dress"
Robert's? looked much better than those two! The woman was huge (my guess is the largest one there) and he did really good with it.. how is doing what the woman wants boring? Isn't that what you're all complaining about Jeffrey? She's the client!
Angela's? not that bad.. a little too layered and wrappy and fringy but it still didn't look bad.. Angela has done worse...
Kayne's? much better than Uli's.. he gave her the pants that are in... color (which is scary for plus girls) and the print too.. but in MODERATION ULI! Like a scarf of print is okay and she looked pretty in it.
Laura's? I could so totally see my mom in that one! lol
Vincent's? okay.. so I didn't get the wing thing either but he made it work and it didn't look that bad and it's actually somewhat normal and like others are fearing he was my favorite designer this episode. (wow that's what's scary Robert!) His was much better than Michael's and the tan and black combo worked well... for her coloring too.
Jeffrey's? I thought she did look kind of cute in a mom kind of way.. I can get the "matronly" thing which was what her complaint was... but once again it's not as matronly as some of the others and I thought his design was fine.
the drama about everyone's reactions to each other on the show I don't even want to discuss.. can't be sucked into it for another week... about the judge's choices either
FireStitch
August 23, 2006 - 08:15 PM
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Angela's mom, however - a little off (hated saying that) Her runway trashing was over the top. I am sure we're missing large pieces of this story because of the time constraint, and honestly I could care less. I watch this show for fashion.
ps. my mom would have ripped my heart out for speaking to another's mom like that - no matter how loony that other is. My mom would have had the grace to call her a whackjob behind her back with me over a beer.
yeah but by that point jeff had earned some blow back from the way he talked to her. he called her insecure. that chick was going to get even on that. i think because it was angela's mom jeff went into the thing with a bad attitude to begin with and he only hurt himself. these guys need to bring their a game to EVERY challenge.
love2paint
August 23, 2006 - 08:15 PM
Not really replying to you, Sista, but wanted to start a conversation about how PR handled this show.
First of all, what was with the choosing the mom's thing? That's fine for models, but I don't know, it smacked of being back in school and being the last kid when choosing up teams. Surely there was a way to treat these ladies with more dignity?
And, I agree with a PP who said that they should have had plus sized models for all.
Did anyone think that Nina looked like she was sucking lemons when she saw the larger women walking down the runway? There was no way she would choose any of them to win, even Uli's.
brillke
August 23, 2006 - 08:16 PM
"Sure, I'd push my own mother out of a speeding car if it would get me home faster in time to watch it, but it's just a show.
ps. love you mom. "
Lmao, way too funny,snicker snicker. Hey, I want a candybar.
brillke
Maryarma
August 23, 2006 - 08:16 PM
I thought tonight's show was very unfair. The main reason was the judging as the least favorites just happened to be the heavy ones. If the judges are partial to prints the contestants should be told. The challenge was not even, consequently not fair. Also Angela was the only one asked about their Mother's outfit. I think this is a serious flaw in the results.
erthgoddss
August 23, 2006 - 08:16 PM
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Suicide is a joke when you use it as a wildcard for sympathy. Jeffrey is a big boo-hoo-for-me loser. I've known SO many people like him that have ruined their life with drugs and alcohol and then think it's their right to take out their anger/regret/rejection on the rest of the world. Get over it Jeffrey.
That he looks like he has down's syndrome is just a fact, not a joke. I can't help that, blame god.
I respectfully disagree. Suicide is high.. and suicide attempts.. due to depression. Depression and low self esteem are often (not always) key to D&A addictions. D&A are also depressants in themselves which exacerbate the problem. I was an RN for nearly 30 years specializing in A&D.
I have to say that the fact that Jeff has kicked the habits, has a wife and child at home and is trying to make a better life... is admirable. Too often we see people who have had problems in the past.. and "pigeonhole" them as losers. I have total respect for anyone who has raised themselves up and is doing something positive for themselves. As far as his mom being an enabler.. I doubt it. She has undoubtedly seen her son do things that no mother ever wants to see.. and is proud that he has come so far away from "living on the streets". I say Kudos to Jeff. (I am not a big fan of his designs.. but I hate to see someone who is really trying to turn their life around be degraded by an addiction that they have conquered.. which by the way takes a LOT of determination, inner strength and GUTS to do.)
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August 23, 2006 - 08:16 PM
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i want to add this as after watching this program and angelas behavior i have to. i know angela personally, she is VERYYYYY passive/agg, to the point of almost being underlying violent, her mother sabatoged jeffrey, on purpose or just as a matter of deeply inggrained behavior. The backstabbing you have seen on this program is but a day in the life of miss a and the way her mother dissed him behind his back and on stage was simply disgusting, then cried to get even more amp. he's a designer, a's mother was *huge*, she would be very difficult to design for, jeffrey embraced the fact with grace, and she needed to appreciate the effort anyone would apply to the challenge.
You say you know Angela personally? Then you don't know her very well!!! I;ve known her ALL her life!!! Blood in fact! There is NO EXCUSE FOR JEFFREY's behavior - did you see anyone else on the show treat anyone elses sis or mom that way!!! Every one else listen and took in what their clients were telling them....... Jeffrey is a DISGRACE, yeah he has class, ALL LOW!!! It was known that he wouldn't even get his picture taken with his OWN mother when they were all there - so what does that tell you!!! And as far as Darlene being HUGE!!! Look at Vincent's sister, Kayne's mom, Michael's mom!!! Pleaseeeeeee!!!
Jesus, I don't care who may or may not know anyone on this show, but everyone take a Xanax and chill out. It's just a show. Sure, I'd push my own mother out of a speeding car if it would get me home faster in time to watch it, but it's just a show.
ps. love you mom.
ROFLMAO!!!!
dcben1
August 23, 2006 - 08:17 PM
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If you do not think it was a set up from the producers knowing the tension that already existed between Angela and Jeffery, you are all fools. What are the odds for Jeffery to get Angela's mom last. I will bet you that in Heidi's bag, every name was in there except for Jeffery so that it would be the last name called. Remember this is show biz not about honesty. (I do think Jeffery is too open and too honest about his feelings, but he is a great designer) Wake up everybody..... Angela's mom would never be Jeffery's client but that was not what this challenge was about. It was sad seeing the conflict but if I was Angela's mom I would be more open to try something new. Even though Jeffery's dress was not that flattering, he did create lightness and some fashion interest high up around the collar area for the viewer to focus on instead of the shape first. It brought attention to her face. If Jeffery did a design using her purple and green color choices, it would be great for Halloween.
Robert's design was boring. It could be bought at any average USA town in America. She did not have to go to a designer for this look.(Remember Nora's wedding gown challenge in season 1?)
Uli should have won. Her model had more of a challenging figure and it was great, fun, sexy, happy.
JEFFERY CAN DESIGN ANYTHING HE WANTS TO MAKE FOR ME.
I AM MIDDLE AGED AND IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO HAVE A DESIGN BY HIM. LONG LIVE ART !
MAY JEFFERY REACH THE TOP. I WILL DEFEND HIM...
You poor thing. I pity the way you will look in Jeffrey's design. I pity you for sticking up for him after how rude he was. But maybe you are just a rude jerk too, and so you understand him.
Carole
August 23, 2006 - 08:17 PM
Laughed as usual, brillke. Loved every word. What a wonderful idea for Kayne to have a little Barbie doll for remembrance.
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