prada8279
August 24, 2006 - 07:43 AM
wait.. JEFFREY is a father? He brought a child into this world?? What did he knock up a fellow junkie/alcoholic to do so? That's the saddest thing I've read all day. I feel sorry for this poor child.
MissOtis
August 24, 2006 - 07:43 AM
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I think PR treated these ladies very shabbily. What was with the grade school team selection routine? Being the last one chose is humiliating.... Why not simply pull a designer's name from one bag and the model's name from another? They should have treated these women with more dignity!
I couldn't agree more.
gandm
August 24, 2006 - 07:43 AM
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Good Morning All! I tried to keep up with the barrage of comments being posted last night, but the PR Punch was strong, and I was weak.
Things seem almost painfully civil this morning after last night's drama. This show knows how to twist the knife, doesn't it? Uli is still my fav. (yes, yes, insert broken record sound here)
Morning severn, gina, missotis, lf! In this case, I happen to agree with you....Uli got robbed. Why on earth are they keeping Vincent? Uli had a true plus size to work with and she made her look fabulous. Vincent had an average size woman and put her in a black dress -- whooo hoo. And, for that matter, I didn't think the dress fit Uli's mom all that well, anyway. It really made that middle-aged-mom-pooch stick out!! Second after Uli would have to be Michael. At least Vincent doesn't have immunity!
divaqueen
August 24, 2006 - 07:44 AM
OK, I've been lurking here since Season One and have not felt compelled to write until now...so stand back, cuz I can't let certain comments go unchallenged. Culpepper, do you not see Laura's sense of humor? Believe me, when you have five kids (all boys) you have to have one! I think she's a hoot...elegant on the surface, but really just one of the guys! Pinkie raised while drinking tea, but a mouth like a stevedore, ya gotta love it! I'd bet anything that she's a warm, loving Mom that knows exactly what's going on at every moment with one of the "its thrown in the pile".
Now, as far as Angela's Mom, Darlene is concerned...SNEAKY, SNEAKY, SNEAKY! A "woe is me," "pity poor me," "I'm a victim," persona. We had to know it from the git-go when she whined about "wanting to cry" cuz she felt guilty about limiting Jeffrey's options. These women weren't partners or collaborators with the designers nor were they paying clients...they were the clothes horses just as their "will 'o the wisp" professional counterparts are, just a whole lot more to them, which had to be completely daunting to these would-be professionals. To be perfectly clear, I cannot tolerate Jeffrey, I think he's a useless excuse for a human being and Angela (where in the world did that fringe idea come from?)needs to go back to the farm and take her granny circles with her, BUT there's more than one way to "skin a cat" and Jeffrey needs to learn how to do it. The crap that spews from his mouth is insane and self-defeating. Even knowing that he and Santino arejustlikethis doesn't excuse his behavior, and WHO CARES if he's a recovering alcoholic...what does that have to do with anything? He needs to go and go soon.
So we come to Vincent...obviously he doubled up on the meds this week because he actually sounded coherent, however, the judges must have lost theirs along with their minds...otherwise how could they have chosen him as the winner? My G*d, that collar looked like it should have been on the Flying Nun's head! AND, it looked as bad going as it did coming, with the half belt and the V-neck back. Uli and Michael's were sooo far superior. While Kayne's outfit was uninspired, the color was good on Michael's Mom, too bad he forgot to show some of her gorgeous skin. Finally, a heartfelt goodbye to Robert Best, who ultimately turned out not to be. Was it his first couple of designs that led us to expect so much from him or his absolutely adorable looks and personality? Because other than those first couple of epis his designs have been just dreck! I think the judges just could no longer give him the benefit of a doubt and keep passing him along. Whereas if Vincent turns out something tolerable it's a pleasant surprise and he'll be moved forward, but if Robert, G*d forbid, is the least bit boring...dead meat!
Whew! I feel sooooo much better now! Promise the next posts won't be so long-winded!
ilene
Cindy1692
August 24, 2006 - 07:44 AM
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lauras comment on her kids was funny. i also said things like that n i loved my children......... i use to tell people take my first born...... not that i would have given her up.. a sense of humor makes a great mom n also helps you to survive.she is a classy women n assertive which seems to bother some. also she evidently has a nice life style which im sure irks some/ she is basically an indepentent NY woman n my hat off to her her designs are classy."
I got that comment about #6 "I'll just throw it on the pile with the rest of the kids" in the spirit in which she meant it. You can't let it overstress you too much. My mom worked full-time 'cause she had to long before it became the norm. She still raised three kids and there were always more kids from the neighborhood in and out for lunch, supper, help with homework, even fix the blowdryer even, cause these kids trusted my mom.
"jeffery's behavior was way off the charts. a little tact and manners can help him in his future in the design world not the attitude he has. his mom making excuses for him was worse in my book. everyone has had a tough spot in their life it does not excuse bad behavior.angelas mom might have been a little over the top in what she wanted but she still deserved respect. i dont think anyone here would have liked someone talking their mom that way. i know i would not have been as quiet as angela( am not an angela fan).the guy is just plain tackless n rude. defending his rude behavior is unbelievable. i would never talk to anyones mom that way n my grown children dont talk to me that way or anyone elses mom. its in the upbringing.........
RESPECT...........GOOD MANNERS...
they are lacking in jeffery.........."
My mom never would have stood being treated that way--out to the woodshed he would have gone with no excuses as to why he couldn't have at least had good manners. But he probably is far from the first designer who's whole attitude is "my way or the highway." Plus by this point the designers are all stressed to the limit.
"congrats to vincent it was a nice dress(stunned)".
Stunned here too! But weren't Uli's mom and Robert's sister the closest to ideal model type? Hated Vincent's late '60's-early '70's poet collar--I recall more than one teacher wearing that exact collar. Not "fashion forward"
This challenge needed two full days for the designers to have a chance to really get it right and do something innovative and attractive. After all, the designers alone would have to make all new patterns which takes time.
Robert will be okay--I'm looking forward to the Kayne and Robert Show. They would bring something new to fashion reporting!! It would be fun and not boring.
I don't know why Jeffrey has it in for Angela. Unless it is something personal that was edited out, if he is such a great designer and she is so bad, he shouldn't even consider her competition and taking up energy/mindspace fretting over it which is negatively influencing his work.
Next out: Kayne and Angela, not necessarily in that order in the next two challenges.
patsyintexas
August 24, 2006 - 07:44 AM
Everyone needs to listen to Tim's Podcast
New quote from our Tim....Jefferey's dress for Angela's mom was
'A FASHION [expletive deleted] SLAP''
patsyintexas
August 24, 2006 - 07:47 AM
Forgot to add he said Uli "Got Robbed"
KHidalgo
August 24, 2006 - 07:47 AM
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wait.. JEFFREY is a father? He brought a child into this world?? What did he knock up a fellow junkie/alcoholic to do so? That's the saddest thing I've read all day. I feel sorry for this poor child.
If you have a problem with the man, fine. But don't insult his innocent child and wife. You don't know anything about his family or his family life and souldn't make fun of it. You want to talk about what you see on the show, great, but remember there are real people behind the characters you see on TV.
MissOtis
August 24, 2006 - 07:47 AM
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hi again Missotis, i think if robert just used some of the same imagination he uses to design for barbie he might have lasted longer. Bright colors, syles out of the nor, maybe not for this challenge but he has been kind of dull for the last 3 or 4. i wish he has just used some of his wilder imagination!!
Someone (I apologize for not knowing the nic) posted here several weeks ago that Robert has designed clothes for her at times over the years and that he just has a problem translating from Barbie to women. That there is always a problem with the clothes looking boring and being devoid of color.
yayforjay
August 24, 2006 - 07:48 AM
Who do people want to make it to the final three. Well four, really, as the fourth person will still get to show during fashion week, which is still awesome. My final three/four has originally had Robert, but alas....
my votes are as follows:
Uli
Michael
Laura
I think all of them would create something very different and unique (especially from eachother) so it would be great to watch!
I would like Kayne to be fourth so he can also have a showing during fashion week
legendaryface
August 24, 2006 - 07:50 AM
Hello Gandm how are you this morning glad to see you here!
tedo
August 24, 2006 - 07:52 AM
My last post on this site was an ‘adieu” to watching the show written to Andy the producer, over my disgust of the blatant viewer manipulation that he through his editor does weekly, that highlights dramas and keeps the cameras off the creative process of design. Of course I lied and tuned in anyway, but only half heartedly. This year’s cast and the negative vibe of the whole show in a reflection of how screwed up this country is in general, in which a certain "self empowered" group dominate the media, screw things up for the rest of us, and seem incapable of leaving center stage, even though they are hated. Of course I'm not referring to Joe Lieberman or Bush, or our beloved collective jounalistic cabal that manufactures the incessant dangers of terrorism when the biggest terrorist run Washington and ordered the attacks on the Twin Towers. Think I'm "Vincent crazy"? Read David Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor." or check out the readers comments to it on Amazon. But I digress...
It seems the most talented and interesting have already been offed. Allison was too kind spirited for this show, and the early offings of Malan and Kieth highlight the producers incompetence. Michael will win by default. “Same note Laura” will be a finalist, as will the deserving Uli. But there is no joy or comraderie on this show, just an everyman for himself spirit, which is the reality of our troubled times. Angela is the real psycho of this show and with her mom as a model for Jeffrey, we see where she gets it from. Vincent was correct to order Angela away from the work area, and Jeffrey was correct in telling mom to get out the way if she had nothing positive to say. Who wants to take bets Angela had not already conversed with Mom before by phone over Jeffrey and they did a mother/ daughter play victim act on him? Who also believes that the shows “impeccable credibility” that necessited the kicking off of Kieth (Of course they would never have done it for ratings)did not allow them to rig the draw so that Jeff would be left holding the “bag” for good TV?
I see all the cattle citizen viewers line up in their TV programmed hatred against Vincent. I’m glad he won and am disgusted by Tim Gunn’s comments and the manipulative editing of past episodes to make this serious and funny designer come off as nuts. Vincent has shown a lot of class in the way he handled the neurotic Angela, and even in the affectionate kiss he blew to Allison when she was out. He should have won the Miss America thing, over that supergay Mars Attacks Spygirl atrocity. (Did I hear someone say Space cadet? Miss America also said she thought it was classic with the shoulder flourish edited) I personally would have loved to see that tattletale “Mark of Kayne” evicted in the recycling episode for his wretched tin foil abomination. When Project Runway comes out with a “Why don’t you stick those Harry Winstons up your nose?” T-shirt, I’ll be the first to buy one.
This show has been a downer all season and is tedious to watch to boot. I recommend to you all a far more interesting reality fashion show, “Who wants to be a Superhero?” on the Scifi channel, where the contestants actually wear their creations. It definitely is conducted with more integrity, and Stan Lee makes a better Tim Gunn, although in my candid opinion MonkeyWoman was robbed.
severn
August 24, 2006 - 07:52 AM
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Forgot to add he said Uli "Got Robbed"
If Tim is with me (in opinion) who can be against me? Thanks for the recommendation, am logging onto ITunes now....
gina2
August 24, 2006 - 07:53 AM
good morning gandm!! =o)
hilaryloren
August 24, 2006 - 07:55 AM
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A few comments:
A. VERY few designers , IMHO, know how to dress and design for plus size women. What happens usually is they design for "model" sized women, then just add a lot of fabric and charge more for it. I could name quite a few,( Tommy Hilfiger's Woman line comes to mind) but don't want to belabor the point.
B. Robert's outfit was boring. Sometimes you need to know how to schmooze the client. Whoever's sister that was needs to get a visit from Stacey and Clinton. Even though I don't like their personalities, they do know how to dress people, I think.
The life of a plus size woman: You have to go to the furthest corner of the store, past all the pretty clothes, to get to your "special" section (despite 33% of Americans being in this size category). Then you go through rack after rack of too-long, too weird, too boring, ugly colored, so-called separates, over to the sweatpants & sweatshirts with cartoon character appliqués, then you spot it -- the pretty fabric, the beautiful design, the gorgeous matching slacks... and then you see the sign above the pretty clothes that says "Maternity."
I must say, I never even noticed the plus size selection of clothes out there until I went shopping w/ one of my now best friends who is plus size. It's HORRENDOUS! Just b/c someone is plus sie doesn't mean they should be made to look like a clown. What's w/ all the floral prints, ankle length skirts/dresses, shinny fabrics, weird clashing prints, tent like designs?! We spent hours tearing Bloomingdales apart for an appropriate interview suit for her! And why is it so hard to find an interview suit?? I mean pink is ok if you're that art gallery owner the PR designers like to envision, but if you're applying for a position in a law firm, it's preferably black, but navy or gray or nothing at all! Everytime we go shopping it makes me want to learn how to sew & make decent clothes for plus size people that actually takes into consideration their body shape & not just assume plus size means you are shaped like a bubble & don't have a waist or nice legs or that you wear a size g bra. I thought Heidi's was the best of the plus size garments (although I would have liked for her to use Kayne's mom's bossom to her advantage) & Michael's was the best of the non-plus sized garments.
severn
August 24, 2006 - 07:55 AM
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I think PR treated these ladies very shabbily. What was with the grade school team selection routine? Being the last one chose is humiliating.... Why not simply pull a designer's name from one bag and the model's name from another? They should have treated these women with more dignity!
I couldn't agree more.
yes, yes, and yes! i said this earlier, but i am going to say it again. angela's mom was already at the end of her emotional rope when the drama with jeff started. she was the last one picked! how hurtful is that.
it isn't like the models. this isn't a competition for these women, they were just being supportive of their children/siblings. it was an insult to all of our sensibilities. bad bravo. go sit in time out.
prada8279
August 24, 2006 - 07:56 AM
I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. How the purple & dark green could've worked would all depend on the proportions used. One color could have been used as an accent. I didn't see any attempts at sabotage on the part of Angela or her mother.
I think the dress Jeffrey chose to make was what was hideous. It reminded me of an episode of the Cosby Show when Vanessa tries to make her own version of this expensive shirt for Theo. Different colors but same ugly, 80s design. I think it was an embarassment. He clearly can't adapt well & make clothes for someone other than a size 4. He was a lost soul (in more ways than one). It's all about pleasing the client while interjecting your own elements of design. What Jeffrey did was only geared toward himself, not wanting to sacrifice his own vision, irrelevant of what colors would work & what style would be best-suited for the client. I can't see how anyone would think his "creation" was attractive in the least.
streetstyle
August 24, 2006 - 07:56 AM
Jeffery was very unprofessional in the way he worked with his client. Very frequently the designer will have ideas that will look the best on clients eventhough the client may not be comfortable with the initial concept. (not that Jeffery did!) He could have worked with Angela's mom politely, and there wouldn't have been such resistance. Imagine if somebody with manners, such as Michael, was in Jeffery's position. He would have coaxed Angela's Mom into seeing why something outside of her comfort zone could be more flattering.
tillie
August 24, 2006 - 07:57 AM
This challenge seemed unfair because of the variation in models' body types - designing clothing to flatter the plus-sized women is obviously hard for the designers because they are used to working with skinny girls! Just look at which women the designers chose first if you don't believe me.
Robert made his client happy, which the judges should have taken into consideration.
Is it just me, or does Laura seem like the type of woman who shouldn't have ANY children? Just pile the new one with the "others"?
So Jeff is a recovered alcoholic ... that helps explain his behavior. My father died of alcoholism last year; and although he was "recovered" for many years prior to the lapse that killed him, alcoholic behavior doesn't change just because you stopped drinking.
Jeff's unwillingness to consider anyone's viewpoint but his own, tendency to blame others when things don't go his way & need to create conflict ... all pretty common behavior for substance abusers.
While it helps explain why he's a jerk, it certainly doesn't excuse it. Vincent may be a weirdo, but at least he's not mean-spirited.
gina2
August 24, 2006 - 08:02 AM
after watching the ending again I really think they will be designing for tim next show!!
patsyintexas
August 24, 2006 - 08:02 AM
Your welcome....Also listen to his comments about Vincent.....He also states that Robert's model (Vincent's sister) said if he didn't follow what she wanted, she would not wear it....Seems like those watermeons grew on the same vine(Vincent and Patricia)
iggystar
August 24, 2006 - 08:07 AM
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Is it just me, or does Laura seem like the type of woman who shouldn't have ANY children? Just pile the new one with the "others"?
So Jeff is a recovered alcoholic ... that helps explain his behavior.
While it helps explain why he's a jerk, it certainly doesn't excuse it.
Vincent may be a weirdo, but at least he's not mean-spirited.
I took Laura's comment in jest. Those of you who are parents of more than one understand what she's saying. It was like an acceptance that she's having yet another, but not too big of a deal since she's got a brood anyway (one suggetion though, tie the tubes Laura!). She obviously can afford to take care of them.
All of what you said about Jeffrey was completely spot on. Jeffrey is working from some extreme dysfunction. But if he's to make it he'll need to change.
Who would have thought that Vincent of all people would actully be pretty lucid and reasonable?
gandm
August 24, 2006 - 08:11 AM
Hey LF! What's going on! Lot's of drive-by posters as usual, huh?!!! I'm getting a little nervous...Vincent must go!! Maybe they had it calculated that he would win and that's why there was no immunity for the challenge...and then Vincent gets auffed next week. Can you imagine him designing for Tim??? That would be fabulous since Tim detests him as much as I do!! No way would Tim like anything Vincent did for him!
Carole
August 24, 2006 - 08:12 AM
I'm average height at 5'4" and they don't design for me. I'm also a size 8 and I watch my weight like a hawk because I have a herniated disc in my back. And I don't eat fast food. People probably need more food discipline. Or exercise. Or something.
Reminds me of the fattest guy I knew when I was doing research in the UK. He had a car and would drive a matter of a few blocks. His idea of a fun weekend was watching Springer and playing computer games. Doesn't this sound like an American adolescent who's overweight? Me and another American who walked everywhere and weren't overweight saw him as a typical American who wonders why he's overweight (extra funny because he tried to be soo British). America has a weight problem generally. Individual fixes might vary but as a whole it needs to be addressed and not considered PR's fault.
I agree with you, Lisakaz, but the show really was about the Moms. I don't think they actually represent the "everyday woman". How horrible is it that we have a choice between extra thin, extra tall models, and (mostly) overweight, older women? Surely there would have been more sense in choosing from a more general population than the Moms if you wanted to represent the "Everyday Woman". Robert's sister was more in the age range of the "everyday woman" in my opinion, and of course she had the most trim figure.
lazylady
August 24, 2006 - 08:13 AM
Hello everyone!
Hope things are calming down a bit on here.
Have any of you watched the bonus videos? I think they clarify a great deal about last nights show.
Having rewatched the show and now the bonus videos I still think that Jeff was way out of line in his behavior, but I also now think that Angela's Mom was no help to him at all.
I have to deal with clients every single day. Some are easy to work with and others are not. Just the way it is and always will be. The ones that are not as easy to work with offer the challange and make you really bring your best work forward.
Jeff did not respond to his challange.
I am not sure I liked them brining relatives of the designers into the mix when this is a contest for the designers and a lot is on the line. They are tired, stressed, and sleep deprived. Then you have relatives around you, both your own and the other contestants and that just makes the entire situation more stressfull.
I think Vincent finally did a fashion that at least could be worn.
Uli got it all right.
Laura actually stumbled on this one but it was not a disaster.
Kayne just need to tweak his a little and it would have been okay, not great, but ok.
Angela made her usual craft show, tasteless fashion.
Michael made a great fashion minus the belt but it could have been tweaked and been great.
Robert could have used a print and saved his fashion. He loves couture colors and I really have to say that they are boring. His construction is always wonderful, his designs always fit like a dream, I know I have some of them in my closet. At least he knows my color choices and rarely questions me on them. He knows I am hard headed about my signature colors for work and does not argue with me or call me a [expletive deleted] like Jeff would.
When I heard Angela's Mom say she loved dark purple and then brought dark green into her color choices there was no hope for anyone designing for her. I know many people love purple but it rarely looks good anyone, just as orange is a very hard color for most people to wear. Green does not go with purple, never has and never will. Angela's Mom needed a lighter color around her face, not a dark , dreary funeral color. I hated what Jeff did for her, I don't like deconstucted fashion in the first place, but that yoke was just bad.
Plus size women do not have to wear tent dresses. They can have fashion that flatters them and is in style. I see it all the time in my clients with the way they dress and accessorize themselves.
So, next week are they designing a shroud for a 747? Jetsetter? Please don't let it be a uniform they have already done that on this show.
Haven't been able to get Tim's pod cast to work for me so going to go try that again to see what he has to say. His blog was fairly short this time.
If you get a chance do take a peek at the bonus videos, they are interesting.
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August 24, 2006 - 08:13 AM
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Just finished watching the show~ Vincent won!! OH MY GOD!! I wanted him to GO HOME but he actually won!! deng it!! Well ok~ the dress he made was Ok, I like Michael or Uli's better.
Oh God I couldn't believe Jeffery was so mean to Angela's mom. Well maybe if I were him, I would be mad too, but I would still try to be nice, since she is my client/model. It was kinda her fault too, because she told him she prefer darker color, and when Jeffery got the blue fabric, then she said she don't like it and had never tried??? If I were him, I could be mad too.
There was no excuse for the way Jeff disrespected Angela's mother & she certainly didn't bring it all on herself by not liking his choices. But aside from Jeffrey's treatment of her, he basically had no vision for the garment. The only valid thing he said the whole time was that 1 day was not sufficient time for him to make a well constructed tailored jacket. But even w/ that he jumped down her throat instead of explaining his limitations within the time constraint like the professional he's supposed to be. He didn't try to steer her away from her color choices & outfit style & convince her to go w/ what he thought would make her look good, unless belittling her style & strongarming her are acceptable avenues of getting his way. Jeffrey's garment looked thrown together & poorly made, & i didn't see any vision in his design, it was bascially a sack w/ a periwinkle yoke w/ crazy askew buttons & a vest. However, even in the off chance he'd whipped up a deam of an outfit, his attitude & behavior was out of line. Jeff needs to grow up & stop throwing tantrums.
He didn't have the time to sit and worry about even taking 20 mins to explain things to her. They were pressed for time and she was being far to difficult. She was the one with the tantrum not him. He has been dealing with the pressures of the show, the long hours and the time constraints. She was worried about helping out her daughter during the competition. Was Jeff's outfit a winner, no but his challenge was harder than some. Designing for a bigger women, and then dealing with how difficult she and her daughter were being. I hate it that people are talking about inexcusable behavior and not looking at the mother who flipped out, just flipped for no reason. If she was going to be so sensitive and had problems with her body, she should have stayed home and sent someone else out to do the show. Remember this isn't a professional setting, this is a contest under extreme circumstances and nerves are thin.
That poor Jeff just can't catch a break I guess, cry me a river! Did the other designers have more time for the challenge? No. Was Jeff the only one w/ a plus size model? No. Was Jeff the only one under intense pressure? Nope. But it's Angela's mom's fault he couldn't cut it, hmmm. Jeff certainly did his best to help the situation deteriorate into what it did. He certainly didn't have to give her a dissertation as to what would look good on her, but using what little time he did have to belittle her certainly wasn't going to lead to a successful outcome. Jeff was pissed from the start & threw up his hands at the model selection. If Angela's mom was "difficult/overly sensitive" it was still no excuse for Jeff behaving like he did. She is old enough to be his mother, plus she was his client, so treating her w/ respect should have been a given. The man has no respect & he picks targets for his frustration carefully, people he thinks can't or won't fight back. For example, he talked much trash about Keith in his diary session, but you never saw him confront him to his face about it. He also had a whole lot to say about Michael's winning design last week, but again, never voiced his opinions to Michael about his "uninspired" design. He's the kind of pathetic twat who goes after Angela's mother like gangbusters. And seriously, if he couldnt handle the difficulties someone as docile as Angie's mom presented, how in the world cold he survive a seriously difficult client who might actually smack him upside the head if he thought to talk to them the way he did Angie's mom?
iluvashnjj
August 24, 2006 - 08:15 AM
I understand why Robert was sent him, because week after week he has been VERY boring, but this week I think Jeffery should of went home. There is no place in society when men should be able to get away with disrespecting a woman like that, I'm sorry. Men forget the way they got on this earth is by a woman and woman only. No woman she be talked to the way Jeffery talked to Angela's mom, there is no reason for it, period, IMO. Jeffery would not talk to his mom like that or would appreciate if someone talk to his mom or treated his mom the way he treated Angela's mom. Just unreal. I can't believe the judges let that slide.
gandm
August 24, 2006 - 08:16 AM
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after watching the ending again I really think they will be designing for tim next show!!
I, for one, would love that to happen. And then that ridiculous Vincent would go for sure!! I think Tim realllllly doesn't like him so if he had any say in it (and I would think he would if he were designing for Tim), then Vincent would go....
You really think it's a man?? Maybe we're off base here. I was just thinking...Season's 1 AND 2 each had uniform challenges --- the hotel maid/concierge/bellhop challenge and then the post office challenge. Perhaps this is a flight attendant challenge...after all, those are 'real jetsetters'!!
Oh, wait....nevermind about the hotel challenge. That might have been from one of the apprentice shows!! LOL.
But still...I think the flight attendant theory could be a possiblity. Especially since airlines are tanking right now...good publicity on a show like PR couldn't hurt!!
polobear
August 24, 2006 - 08:18 AM
Doesn't Jeffery have a kid also...but i guess that is the woman's job
gina2
August 24, 2006 - 08:18 AM
hiya lazy!!lol maybe I just want it to be tim? Imagine the duds they could creae for him! debonair, elegant looks.
SHELBYbytheSEA
August 24, 2006 - 08:19 AM
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So then Robert was damned either way?
And people say that Angela and her mother had it in for Jeffrey?
chunt2112
August 24, 2006 - 08:20 AM
Who is dressing Heidi? They should be fired. Most of her outfits look so stupid.....she does come across as very sizist. Kudos to the show for finally having a challenge for real women. Are the judges dense? Uli should have won the challenge hands down. Vincent's dress did not fit his model well at all. Maybe Heidi's designer is a behind the scenes judge.....
hilaryloren
August 24, 2006 - 08:21 AM
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Somethings are sacred. And, Mothers are at the top of that list. Jeff is a brat! He showed that the has no class or self control. Sure, there's a lot at stake, but the way he behaved with his model and customer was awful. No wonder he had to cry on his Mommie's shoulder!
Well said!! You just don't fvck w/ someone's mama!
lazylady
August 24, 2006 - 08:22 AM
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hiya lazy!!lol maybe I just want it to be tim? Imagine the duds they could creae for him! debonair, elegant looks.
Oh my god, I just had a vision of what Angela or Vincent would make for Tim to wear.
Nightmares will follow for sure!
JuliaRa
August 24, 2006 - 08:23 AM
I think a lot of you are letting the production play you when it comes to Jeffrey. The editing very craftily made him look like a jerk, but I don't think Jeff meant to make anyone cry or to stick in to Angela's mom just because he hates Angela. Yes Jeffrey said some really insensitive comments but I don't think its because he is a jerk, I think he just has incredibly poor people skills. Come on, we all know someone that has good intentions but is totally untactful with what they choose to say and how brutally honest they choose to be. For example the insecure comment he made, yes that came out bad but I don't think his intention was to harp on her insecurities. I think his point to her was that he thought that color would look good on her and she should trust him and try it because she could be pleasantly surprised. Unfortunatly because he isnt much of a people person he doesn't realize that when you tell somebody "Maybe others see something beautiful in you that you don't see cuz of your insecurities" they tend to focus on the insecure part and not the beautiful part. But he definatly was not trying to be a jerk, he just doesn't know how to get his point across without being harsh and he is easily frustrated. And besides everything he was saying was true (even if he shouldn't have said it). Darlene was insecure, just look at what she asked him for, "Dark colors", "Long dress, cover me". Yup "cover me in dark colors" is the typical request for women who hate their bodies and don't want to be scene. And he was right in not wanting to tailor a jacket in a day, he wouldn't have had time. And he was right about the periwinkle, dark green accented to dark purple looks like cr@p! Im not saying the dress was nice, but the periwinkle does go well with the dark purple, and the periwinkle did go nice up against her face so his color choice was good. In the end the dress was awful, but I feel like no matter who got Darlene they would have been doomed to either dissapoint her or make a fugaliscious dark mumu, cuz thats what she wanted! Unlike the other full figured women on the show she was totally unwilling to play with color and sparkle (Michael's mom) or patterns like Kayne's mom, for goodness sake the woman freaked out because of a periwinkle accent fabric! The whole dress wasn't even going to be that color but she flipped out anyway. And then Angela fed Jeff to the wolves when she got the chance, Heidi should have asked Laura what she thought of her mom so she could have said "Angela made my chic sophisticated mother look like a mess, its embarrising"
Sorry for the rant but I felt like I needed to defend Jeff a little, his dress may have been awful but I think his intentions were good and alot of people have been so quick condemn him and make innapropriate comments like the one about his son. If you hate Jeff fine, comment on his clothes, comment on his tasteless remarks but don't make comments about his kid.
lazylady
August 24, 2006 - 08:27 AM
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I think a lot of you are letting the production play you when it comes to Jeffrey. The editing very craftily made him look like a jerk, but I don't think Jeff meant to make anyone cry or to stick in to Angela's mom just because he hates Angela. Yes Jeffrey said some really insensitive comments but I don't think its because he is a jerk, I think he just has incredibly poor people skills. Come on, we all know someone that has good intentions but is totally untactful with what they choose to say and how brutally honest they choose to be. For example the insecure comment he made, yes that came out bad but I don't think his intention was to harp on her insecurities. I think his point to her was that he thought that color would look good on her and she should trust him and try it because she could be pleasantly surprised. Unfortunatly because he isnt much of a people person he doesn't realize that when you tell somebody "Maybe others see something beautiful in you that you don't see cuz of your insecurities" they tend to focus on the insecure part and not the beautiful part. But he definatly was not trying to be a jerk, he just doesn't know how to get his point across without being harsh and he is easily frustrated. And besides everything he was saying was true (even if he shouldn't have said it). Darlene was insecure, just look at what she asked him for, "Dark colors", "Long dress, cover me". Yup "cover me in dark colors" is the typical request for women who hate their bodies and don't want to be scene. And he was right in not wanting to tailor a jacket in a day, he wouldn't have had time. And he was right about the periwinkle, dark green accented to dark purple looks like cr@p! Im not saying the dress was nice, but the periwinkle does go well with the dark purple, and the periwinkle did go nice up against her face so his color choice was good. In the end the dress was awful, but I feel like no matter who got Darlene they would have been doomed to either dissapoint her or make a fugaliscious dark mumu, cuz thats what she wanted! Unlike the other full figured women on the show she was totally unwilling to play with color and sparkle (Michael's mom) or patterns like Kayne's mom, for goodness sake the woman freaked out because of a periwinkle accent fabric! The whole dress wasn't even going to be that color but she flipped out anyway. And then Angela fed Jeff to the wolves when she got the chance, Heidi should have asked Laura what she thought of her mom so she could have said "Angela made my chic sophisticated mother look like a mess, its embarrising"
Sorry for the rant but I felt like I needed to defend Jeff a little, his dress may have been awful but I think his intentions were good and alot of people have been so quick condemn him and make innapropriate comments like the one about his son. If you hate Jeff fine, comment on his clothes, comment on his tasteless remarks but don't make comments about his kid.
I will agree about not making comments about someone's children, that is out of line.
zazu1369
August 24, 2006 - 08:27 AM
Unbelievable...what a snotty little insecure punk Jeffery is...he really should appreciate Angela she didn't confront him much...he's lucky that was not my mom or he'd still be picking his butt up off the floor! Calling her the "B" word, what a drama queen & a big mistake. I'm a 44 yr old mom! If he was any kind of man, he would have kept his mouth shut. If he had a brain, he would have realized these are every day women from the suburbs, not the perfect models he's used to working with, she is heavy & not comfortable with her self. Your supposed to be the professional, you should act like it!
Get over yourself with using the recovering alcoholic as a crutch bit. At some point you have to take resposibility for yourself. Jeffery your mother was shown respect whether she deserved it or not. He's not a great designer either, I will be happy when he goes, he's not mature enough or decent enough to win. Like has been said keeping him around for the drama, surely not the talent. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame Jeffery. They do read the boards, so I hope you read this.
And think, "Jeff"...how do you want your mom treated?
Carole
August 24, 2006 - 08:28 AM
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i'm sorry, but the show was on three times tonight and i watched it each time. more and more i saw that the ONLY rude thing jeff said TO darlene was that he didn't want her to stand there. and then he said she was being a [expletive deleted] to him when he's so stressed out. he meant that she was being difficult. LOTS of people phrase it that way.
now, the rest of the time, if you paid attention, he was very polite to her. when he finished the dress, he said, "okay, so i have your dress. you can go behind the screen over there and change and i'll be right over in a few minutes." and said very friendily. then he smiled when he saw her even though he heard what angela was saying, and said, "okay now follow me and i'll fit the shoulders." again, very nicely. when he was being judged, he did not say anything negative about her. he laughed when she said they were very different. he was NOT mean to her the whole time, guys. and c'mon, he was so sad when robert had to leave. he also appeared to genuinely appreciate and love his mom and was excited to be with her. he had a rough past, but he has moved on. quit trying to tear him down, please.
In the bonus videos you can really see a lot more of what took place that didn't make the editing. Angela for sure took her Mom into the ladies' room and I am sure they had a good chat about mean old Jeffrey. Although I think a woman of her age should not be so sensitive, Angela's mom also has arthritis and some other "issues" so she ended up being a good sport by just making it down the runway.
Carole
August 24, 2006 - 08:31 AM
I hope everyone here is watching the bonus videos and, especially, the last video, "Ruckercam". It is clear that the producers, including Rucker, are very interested in "drama" and have little understanding of the value of the fashion. I plan to email everyone and comment to everyone that I can find on the Bravo site that we in the audience watch the show for some drama but mostly FASHION.
tillie
August 24, 2006 - 08:32 AM
Sorry if "drive-by posting" is bad etiquette - I do read the boards frequently, but don't comment unless I feel like I have something to contribute. Plus I don't always have enough time to be on the boards for long periods of time, or go through them from start to finish. I'll refrain from posting & just stick to reading what the "regulars" have to say.
patsyintexas
August 24, 2006 - 08:33 AM
I think so....IMO I think some of the designers had an advantage over others..Personally I think (and please don't take this the wrong way) the designers with the larger models had a bigger challenge----they just aren't used to us...ha ha boo hoo
Food_Pro
August 24, 2006 - 08:35 AM
I'm spending way to much time on PR! LOL! I've watched the show twice now, listened to the podcast, watched all the videos, read the blogs and much of this board...whew!
There wasn't a level playing field for this episode and the more I think about it the less I like what PR has done to the designers and the mom/sisters. IMHO the producers should have thrown this one out and started over. It was set up for drama and not fashion.
Robert didn't stand a chance. His client was very adamant about what she would wear. Yes, he hasn't wowed us since the first challenge but I feel bad for him in this one.
The whole Angela/BettleJeff thing is wearing thin for me. I watched the video for the next challenge and it just seems like more of the same bicker, bicker, bicker. Ugh.
Blah. Maybe I need more coffee but I'm feeling pretty disgusted with PR right now.
SHELBYbytheSEA
August 24, 2006 - 08:37 AM
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The whole dress wasn't even going to be that color but she flipped out anyway. And then Angela fed Jeff to the wolves when she got the chance, Heidi should have asked Laura what she thought of her mom so she could have said "Angela made my chic sophisticated mother look like a mess, its embarrising"
It seems from most of the posts that people agree that editing was involved with inflating certain aspects of this and other altercations. So now I ask, what makes Angela so special all of a sudden that she would be the only one asked about what her opinion was?
Suz1018
August 24, 2006 - 08:37 AM
I think Jeffrey and Vincent are still around strictly for the drama quota. It's obviously not for their design talents.
The "Psycho" and the "Bad Boy" get better ratings. I still think the final 3 will be Kayne, Uli and Michael. (I hope)
patsyintexas
August 24, 2006 - 08:38 AM
I agree
Carole
August 24, 2006 - 08:42 AM
- $150 will get you 5 yards of $20/yd fabric and still leave you with $50 for notions and trim - that's not bad
Maybe at Hancock Fabrics, but not at Mood in New York City, I'll bet.
zazu1369
August 24, 2006 - 08:42 AM
Recall, Angela's mom wanted a jacket which Jeffery nixed due to time, not a moo moo.
Get over yourself, talk about one's mom & talk about one's kid, both are out of bounds! One good lick deserves another!
Who is supposed to be the professional & who is supposed to listen to the challange, who is supposed to know his job?
He always acts like the world is against him, he has a chip on his shoulder & is immature. Did you see his mom shushing him, does that tell you anything about how he was raised. This is the real world time for Jeffery to grow up!
severn
August 24, 2006 - 08:45 AM
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after watching the ending again I really think they will be designing for tim next show!!
I, for one, would love that to happen. And then that ridiculous Vincent would go for sure!! I think Tim realllllly doesn't like him so if he had any say in it (and I would think he would if he were designing for Tim), then Vincent would go....
Season's 1 AND 2 each had uniform challenges --- the hotel maid/concierge/bellhop challenge and then the post office challenge. Perhaps this is a flight attendant challenge...after all, those are 'real jetsetters'!!
Tim says in the Podcast that "we are going to take a little trip". Damsel said she thought pilots or flight attendants. What about baggage handlers? The "trip" could be the JFK, and it would be on par with the postage challenge. I think uniforms are on the right track, regardless.
Food_Pro
August 24, 2006 - 08:45 AM
Project RunGay on Vincent:
"It certainly wasn't the worst thing on the runway last night and it's certainly the best thing he's made all season, but there was a clear winner last night and it wasn't Captain Halidol."
ROFL!
Mawdear
August 24, 2006 - 08:46 AM
I saw the show last night and was thrilled!!! Finally, real women are seen. I was so surprised to see how "shallow" the depth of some designers were. As a designer aren't you supposed to be able to clothe any figure shape??? Isn't that why you're paid goo-gobs of money, because you have vision AND ability??? I think the producers need to keep this type of reality check rolling. The REAL designers will step up and try to learn something as well as treat their client(s) with extreme patience and dignity instead of the usual snobbish (dare I say childish) dismissal for not being anorexic.