Legolass
September 5, 2006 - 07:53 PM
I was born in San Francisco and now live on SF Bay. It's directely across the street from my house. I LOVE the Monterey/Carmel area. If I couldn't live here, that would be my second choice. I get nervous if I'm too far from a large body of water - lol My Dad was from Kansas & Iowa. Have visited there but wouldn't live there. Too inland.
pfeffa
September 5, 2006 - 07:54 PM
CALady pretty much covered it. I just wanted to add that SoCal has a lot of cultural diversity, great museums and parks, and some pretty good {and not so good) sports teams --even hockey. There's pretty much a niche for everything.
The major downside, housing prices.
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September 5, 2006 - 08:04 PM
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I know it's earlier there on the West Coast, but getting on for midnight here in Atlanta so guess I'll sign off. Hope you enjoy the rest of your evening! No doubt I'll be back on tomorrow so look for you then.
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Calalady
I love your state, I stayed in Palm Springs and ate fried bread and gambled! My favorite part is Northern CA. I lived in San Ramon near San Francisco for a couple of years. Lake Tahoe is the most beautiful area in the summer (I am not a fan of snow), and the coastal areas are from a picture book to me (being from the sandy Gulf Coast). I loved the drive along the coastal towns, just majestic. Hey I am supposed to be talking about my state aren't I? What do I love about Texas? I love the people. I love the small towns, the historic churches. I love that you can go to the local coffee shop and not be able to tell the haves from the have nots. I kid you not, there is one old gentleman that shows up every morning to have coffee with his compadres and is a millionaire many times over but you couldn't tell by his clothes or demeanor. I love that our country-side is as wide open as our hearts and I hope that never changes.
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charlotteb
September 5, 2006 - 08:06 PM
Sorry I misspelled your name.
charlotteb
September 5, 2006 - 08:21 PM
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I was born in San Francisco and now live on SF Bay. It's directely across the street from my house. I LOVE the Monterey/Carmel area. If I couldn't live here, that would be my second choice. I get nervous if I'm too far from a large body of water - lol My Dad was from Kansas & Iowa. Have visited there but wouldn't live there. Too inland.
I feel the same way about the water, I love a trip to the mountains and once there I start looking around for property, then after a few days, I feel the tug...
whiskers
September 5, 2006 - 09:59 PM
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Orlando Bloom makes a great elf and pirate, but it took awhile for me to get past his frilly name..
"What" was his mother thinking! English people are crazy!
was thinking of the virginia woolf book -- ???
eyelikepr
September 5, 2006 - 10:08 PM
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Yes. If I knew the reputation of the designer or witnessed it or someone told me, YES. There are other talented people out there. Plus, I don't find him talented or even a good designer based on what I've seen on the show. But I don't like people being rude to me (even if they possess greatness). Maybe it's my Southern upbringing.
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September 6, 2006 - 03:12 AM
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are you seriously saying that rudeness determines your choice of designer and not talent?
Yes. If I knew the reputation of the designer or witnessed it or someone told me, YES. There are other talented people out there. Plus, I don't find him talented or even a good designer based on what I've seen on the show. But I don't like people being rude to me (even if they possess greatness). Maybe it's my Southern upbringing.
Amen...I work in theatre sometimes and there's a concept that actors (which I am not) know and directors hold strong to...If you can't do the job with not whining or problems then go...there's a line of people at the back door who can do your job as well, because they are as talented, with better attitude
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September 6, 2006 - 03:57 AM
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Oops sorry didn't see the west coast part of the request...PA is not exactly the west coast...man I need to go to bed.
I want everybody to cheer their own home state.
Born and raised in Manhattan now live in maine......... miss Ny..... Maine is a cultural shock but I am getting use to it. We have4 seasons........ Fall, winter, mud season, n almost summer (but not quite) and then its back to almost winter again.no ethnic food but lots of beautiful scenery and a fantastic coast line.( dont go in the Atlantic here you will freeze)great outlets for shopping and of course Freeport and LL Bean. The people are nice for the most part once you get to understand them( no R's in their vocabulary), lobster yummy......Very little traffic
come visit but not in February lol
Its called Vacationland.....Sometimes in the wiinter I wonder if I was in my right mind when i moved here but then I do enjoy the quiet and relaxed living/
ex NYer living in maine
PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 04:58 AM
Good morning all!
Just jumping in here.
I'm from the "great state" of Connecticut. Though I'm sure the whole state can fit into your town charlotteb! LOL. We live in the middle of the state and have all 4 seasons as well. Weather can be strange sometimes. I think Mark Twain said that if you don't like the weather in New England just wait a minute. It can be 85 degrees in April and then the next day go down to the 50's. I'm a native (born and raised). My favorite time of the year is the fall. The leaves are so vibrant when they change color--although my hubby isn't too thrilled when they fall. The winters can be cold and sometimes snowy, but along the coast (New Haven and such) they get mostly ice storms. Pretty to look at but not too terrific if you have to drive anywhere! !!
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kanigirrrrl
September 6, 2006 - 05:25 AM
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A big wave from Kansas City!
I know your steaks are wonderful. What else should we know about Kansas?
I'm originally from Kansas City, MO (there is a difference between KS and MO -- although the lines have been blurring in the past 20 yrs or so as Johnson County, KS has grown in population).
Anyway, here's a little-known fact about KC, MO -- it has more fountains that Rome. The central part of the city -- from Brookside north to Westport -- is full of absolutely beautiful fountains, especially concentrated in the Country Club Plaza area.
(I still have a lot of fondness for KCMO -- and still root for the Chiefs!)
Funny that you mentioned fountains. There's a spinach festival in kansas and as it always happens they color the fountains to match the event. Chiefs game = Red Water, Royals = Blue ect. Well they tried coloring the water green and let's just say the effort didn't pan out as planned. Spinach is not what I think of when I see that more yellowish than green water gushing high in the air.
BarbieDoll
September 6, 2006 - 05:50 AM
Well, PA has it's ups and downs, but living on the west sieeede (bad South Park reference...I really am not a big fan) is better than the middle, no offence to anyone in Pennsyltucky. 45 mins from Philly, 1 1/2 hours from NY. We are surrounded by small quaint towns and amazing artist and musicians. If you want to live in the country you can but you can still get to a BIG mall or shopping center within 30 mins...or you can live in a city type environment without too much hustle bustle...but in my opinion the best part is the fall...I am a fall addict. Colored leaves, crisp air, sweaters but you can still sit outside with your coffee...Winters aren't too bad like MA can get but there's good chance you'll see some snow on Christmas and come on who doesn't want snow on Christmas *enter Bing Crosby using his pipe to play the bells haning on my tree*
Chiming in from the heart of Pennsyltucky !! I am PA born and raised - in a town so small there are no traffic lights(Now live a little over an hour away near Harrisburg). When I go to visit my parents it is like going to 'the land that time forgot'. There may be more Amish buggies than cars - and it is absolutely lovely. And I too love Autumn's palette - but the green of spring is just breathtaking! After the gray of winter - the miracle of spring is something to behold.
CALady
September 6, 2006 - 06:02 AM
Good morning everyone,
Only 15 hours to go ( from the west coast) until we are back in Paris. Ah that wait has been long.
Hope everyone has a good day.
Here's to a great show tonight
(:::lifting a cup of PR coffee::
SisterZip73
September 6, 2006 - 06:09 AM
Boy, has this epi kept the complainers at bay or what? Finally, the right person was sent packing.
I am from St. Charles, MO (home of Santino), between the Mississippi & Missouri Rivers, just 20 miles west from Downtown St. Louis. You may have heard & seen a lot of us during the 1993 floods. But don't hold that against us!
Being in the Mississippi River Valley is like being in a sauna. It holds the heat & humidity well. It may only be 80 outside, but because of the humidity, it will feel like 95. But January can be brutal, too. It gets very cold. We don't get too much snow, as St. Louis is always on the line between rain/freezing rain/sleet/snow/ice. My dad's family settled here in the 1840s, so I guess you could call me a native. I have been to Florida, Chicago, New York City, Philadelphia (just to see Constitution Hall & the Liberty Bell), Arkansas, and Washington DC. Have not been west of Springfield, MO. Pityful isn't it?
Can't wait for tonight...have ironing to do and clothes to fold. I don't care what order they go, but I would like to see Laura, Michael, and Kayne in the final 3. I think Jeffrey or Vincent would make a good decoy show.
Carole
September 6, 2006 - 06:31 AM
I want everybody to cheer their own home state.
Born and raised in Manhattan now live in maine......... miss Ny..... Maine is a cultural shock but I am getting use to it. We have4 seasons........ Fall, winter, mud season, n almost summer (but not quite) and then its back to almost winter again.no ethnic food but lots of beautiful scenery and a fantastic coast line.( dont go in the Atlantic here you will freeze)great outlets for shopping and of course Freeport and LL Bean. The people are nice for the most part once you get to understand them( no R's in their vocabulary), lobster yummy......Very little traffic
come visit but not in February lol
Its called Vacationland.....Sometimes in the wiinter I wonder if I was in my right mind when i moved here but then I do enjoy the quiet and relaxed living/
ex NYer living in maine
When my kids lived in Maine (South Berwick) they wanted me to move there. It's really gorgeous but after I nearly froze there one April visit, it's not for me. And ONE mall in the whole state? lol.
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September 6, 2006 - 06:34 AM
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I was born in San Francisco and now live on SF Bay. It's directely across the street from my house. I LOVE the Monterey/Carmel area. If I couldn't live here, that would be my second choice. I get nervous if I'm too far from a large body of water - lol My Dad was from Kansas & Iowa. Have visited there but wouldn't live there. Too inland.
I feel the same way about the water, I love a trip to the mountains and once there I start looking around for property, then after a few days, I feel the tug...
When I finished school I had the choice of West coast or East coast. I chose East (NYC) but have always wondered...hindsight is 20/20....I love the ocean. Have always dreamed of being rich enough to live right on it. Even Katrina hasn't changed my mind! But it doesn't look like I will ever be rich enough, so! I just visit when I can.
cheribesther
September 6, 2006 - 06:36 AM
There's just nothing good to say about Angela. She's a rube and a hick and a hillbilly without any of the charm that might attach to any of those groups, and her mother is the same. Angela should have been gone from the dog challenge and way overstayed her time. I couldn't believe that Allison was auf'd and Angela was not.
It will be fun tonight to see what happens. I'm worried that Kayne may be next to go, and that would be a shame. Sure, his outfit was "Elvis" last week, but it was his own style and in its way glamourous. I wanted Jeff to win and was glad that he did, but his was just another genre that was no more or less worthy than Kayne's. I think we're seening some prejudice here on the part of the judges. Also, Micheal's seersucker with all those tacky strings, just didn't cut it for me, but they raved as if he had done something grand - which he clearly had not.
PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 06:36 AM
Chiming in from the heart of Pennsyltucky !! I am PA born and raised - in a town so small there are no traffic lights(Now live a little over an hour away near Harrisburg). When I go to visit my parents it is like going to 'the land that time forgot'. There may be more Amish buggies than cars - and it is absolutely lovely. And I too love Autumn's palette - but the green of spring is just breathtaking! After the gray of winter - the miracle of spring is something to behold.
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It's true isn't it? After a long February and March, a day may come along that it actually reaches 45 degrees and the sun makes a brave appearance. It seems everyone breaks out the short sleeves, convertibles, and motor cycles. Too soon for these old bones to relate, but love to see it!
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PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 06:38 AM
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Lifting mine as well (my 3rd!). Here's to a great show. Oh the draaaaaaaaaama!! !!
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PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 06:44 AM
Its called Vacationland.....Sometimes in the wiinter I wonder if I was in my right mind when i moved here but then I do enjoy the quiet and relaxed living/
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My uncle has a cottage on Hancock Pond in Maine, and I've visited a few times. What a nice change of pace! If you want to relax and enjoy simplicity and beauty, that's the place to go. Though I couldn't sleep the first couple of nights I was there--kept hoping a car or truck would pass by!! !!
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PS--BTW is it true that you have to be 4th generation to be considered a Maine native?
cheribesther
September 6, 2006 - 06:49 AM
I am just amazed that people think Michael is talented. I think he's good a sewing a seam, but his designs have just left me cold. Hope he's out tonight. Everyone else still in the game deserves to be there more than he does.
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September 6, 2006 - 06:55 AM
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You forgot Black Fly Season! My first trip to Maine was in May 1978, and I've never seen a windshield get coated like that before or since.
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cheribesther
September 6, 2006 - 06:56 AM
Does anyone KNOW for certain that Angela was put on a flight right back to the USA? We're pretty much assuming that but it may not be true. Just because we don't see her on camera doesn't mean she isn't there.
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September 6, 2006 - 06:59 AM
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Does anyone KNOW for certain that Angela was put on a flight right back to the USA? We're pretty much assuming that but it may not be true. Just because we don't see her on camera doesn't mean she isn't there.
She has said in interviews that she got to stay in Paris overnight and was nicely fed but went back to the States the next day.
PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 07:12 AM
Does anyone KNOW for certain that Angela was put on a flight right back to the USA? We're pretty much assuming that but it may not be true. Just because we don't see her on camera doesn't mean she isn't there.
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I read something (it may have been Tim Gunn's blog) that Angela did get to spend the night in the hotel but flew out the next day. I thought the same thing. It looked like she turned around and got on a plane back to NYC after she was auf'd.
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PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 07:14 AM
She has said in interviews that she got to stay in Paris overnight and was nicely fed but went back to the States the next day.
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Whoops! You're too fast for me dogabone! Sorry for the repeat. =
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damselfly
September 6, 2006 - 07:32 AM
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I am just amazed that people think Michael is talented. I think he's good a sewing a seam, but his designs have just left me cold. Hope he's out tonight. Everyone else still in the game deserves to be there more than he does.
I don't agree with this post but it does bring up a point I've been thinking about...I don't know why but I really don't feel like I'm getting a good veiw of the product this time...maybe it's no different but I have to say I think I have adecent taste and this is the first year that many of the winning designs are just not doing it for me. Most of the time I've liked designs from the "middle of the road" group better...I don't know...anyone else?
PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 07:42 AM
Most of the time I've liked designs from the "middle of the road" group better...I don't know...anyone else?
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The Miss USA challenge comes to mind for me. I absolutely loved Laura and Michael's dress. It was so understated--simple but elegant. It looked white on the runway, but from what I read it was a nude color. Miss USA said no white so maybe it was too close to white to be a winner. I also thought that Robert's dress for the first challenge was beautiful.
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BarbieDoll
September 6, 2006 - 08:10 AM
In the previews for this weeks episode - Jeffrey is working in a horrible yellow & red plaid fabric. Perhaps he is making full use of his immunity?!? Or maybe they are designing table linens!
And Vincent - "a legend in his own mind"...hee hee hee...bring on the banter!
Can't wait!
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September 6, 2006 - 08:25 AM
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I was born in San Francisco and now live on SF Bay. It's directely across the street from my house. I LOVE the Monterey/Carmel area. If I couldn't live here, that would be my second choice. I get nervous if I'm too far from a large body of water - lol My Dad was from Kansas & Iowa. Have visited there but wouldn't live there. Too inland.
I found this description of Kansas in an article by Chris Horn. I think he was talking about how about 3/4 of Kansas voters voted for a law that specifically prohibits gay people from having the right to marry..
Ironic that I'm in Massachusetts and not legally married...
but still ironing his shirts...
"Ad astra per aspera...While politicians take progressive action in many areas of the public domain, socially, the Sunflower State follows the formula: Kansas + religiously fundamental conservatism = 1950’s idealism, a.k.a. suburban WASP’s with 2.5 kids and a Collie..."
Is that the mindset there?
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September 6, 2006 - 08:42 AM
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The Miss USA challenge comes to mind for me. I absolutely loved Laura and Michael's dress. It was so understated--simple but elegant. It looked white on the runway, but from what I read it was a nude color. Miss USA said no white so maybe it was too close to white to be a winner. I also thought that Robert's dress for the first challenge was beautiful.
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My favourite pageant gown was Uli's for the way it moved and the dropped back.
I am also thinking of Michael's tweed halter dogwalking outfit. I liked that design even more than Uli's mixed patterns. And I liked Uli's icon outfit for Diana Ross more than Michael's for Pam Grier, although it was more Donna Summer than Diana Ross. And I like Jeffrey's recycled outfit better than Michael's, but Michael's fresh jetsetter outfit better than Jeffrey's generic rocker.
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wl60
September 6, 2006 - 08:47 AM
Several posters who design/sew have pointed out the obvious problems with his outfit. The word that flashes in my head whenever Vincent's name comes up is -----too simple. His 'designs' seem immaturely, simplistic to me. They are like looking at 20's and 30's McCall patterns....and not the modern-nostalgic look either....but the stiff, ungiving and uncomfortable look. Yet....what he made for himself was almost slovenly in appearance in comparison rather then the crisp, unforgiving lines of what he makes for his female models. That may be why the judges liked it.....a different look from him. He does not understand a woman's curves and enhancing natural beauty. He is more like a crazed artist that feels all of his canvases are the same.
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September 6, 2006 - 08:54 AM
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If they 'can' her before Vincent or Kane....I will be extremely disappointed. She may not be showing a wide range of versatility but her designs and quality of work far surpasses anything these two have produced to date.
quiltmuse
September 6, 2006 - 08:58 AM
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Born and raised in Manhattan now live in maine......... miss Ny..... Maine is a cultural shock but I am getting use to it.
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BTW -- doesn't classic New England cuisine count as ethnic?
gandm
September 6, 2006 - 08:59 AM
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I was born in San Francisco and now live on SF Bay. It's directely across the street from my house. I LOVE the Monterey/Carmel area. If I couldn't live here, that would be my second choice. I get nervous if I'm too far from a large body of water - lol My Dad was from Kansas & Iowa. Have visited there but wouldn't live there. Too inland.
I found this description of Kansas in an article by Chris Horn. I think he was talking about how about 3/4 of Kansas voters voted for a law that specifically prohibits gay people from having the right to marry..
Ironic that I'm in Massachusetts and not legally married...
but still ironing his shirts...
"Ad astra per aspera...While politicians take progressive action in many areas of the public domain, socially, the Sunflower State follows the formula: Kansas + religiously fundamental conservatism = 1950’s idealism, a.k.a. suburban WASP’s with 2.5 kids and a Collie..."
Is that the mindset there?
notevayas
That probably is the mindset for the middle of Kansas and westward. I've lived in Kansas all my life, though on the east side of Kansas that borders Kansas City, Missouri. I think there is plenty of tolerance for alternative lifestyles around this area. In fact, there's a non-denominational church on the Country Club Plaza (huge shopping & dining district) that has plenty of commitment ceremonies. (and that's where Hilary was a guest speaker - so appropriate!) And Lawrence, KS which is 30 minutes west of KC has the largest population of gay women in the US (or at least it did a few years ago). But, further west, you run into the small towns where everyone knows everyone and everyone attends church on Sunday and has a potluck dinner afterwards. Just a very different way of life.
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September 6, 2006 - 08:59 AM
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Actually, she said he looked like a "fake" rock star. This was after telling Jeffrey he looked like a real rock star. I'm sorry, I love Kayne, but he did look like an Elvis impersonator. I don;t think it helped that he was so stiff in it, trying to be cool like Michael. I think if he had just gone out there and been "Kayne" walking down the runway (or strutting like he does) he would have done a little better.
Kane's reaction nearly broke my heart....talk about shooting the poor man's dog....he looked like they'd slattered the whold darn kennel!!! There is no reason to be so cruel to another human being like that....especially on national TV. Personally, his ego may not be able to handle the real fashion sceen. He's better off going back to the business he has, knows and obviously loves.
dcjewbear
September 6, 2006 - 09:05 AM
Personally, I'm not so much for the pretty boys. When I talk about my polar bear, I'm not talking about any gay subculture like dcjewbear was talking about. My guy actually looks much like a polar bear, lol, tall with white hair and notsothinanymore. He is very tough about the winter, being born here, and I am very hating the winter except from the inside when all the trees look like ice sculptures.
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Vincent: "I am the twist."
I said I was not going to post again, and I probably won't, but I have been reading and this was just too good to resist.
If your man looks like a polar bear then he *is* a bear. He may not identify with us or, even be aware we exist, but if he walked into a room of bears he would immediately be identified as one of us. So, ya see, we actually have much more in common than you think. My hubby is a cub and your guy is a polar bear. It's just the beginning and the end of the same species, figuratively speaking.
cleeg
September 6, 2006 - 09:07 AM
Born and raised in the South. My husband is military and we are currently in ME. (Well, the kids and I are, he's playing in the sandbox) I LOVE Maine!!!! I wish we had orders here sooner.
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PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 09:07 AM
Kane's reaction nearly broke my heart....talk about shooting the poor man's dog....he looked like they'd slattered the whold darn kennel!!! There is no reason to be so cruel to another human being like that....especially on national TV. Personally, his ego may not be able to handle the real fashion sceen. He's better off going back to the business he has, knows and obviously loves.
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He did look stricken. He was very confident when they were in Parsons NY, and I think he said that he thought he was going to win. An earlier poster said that the French judge was so harsh in her criticisms that they had to reshoot the sequence. Angela in particular got it the worst. I kind of felt sorry for the two of them.
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September 6, 2006 - 09:12 AM
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Angie flew to Paree for the big auffing klatch.
The judge said you're making me sick, i may faint.
So they had to reshoot lest their image they taint.
P.S. According to Tim's podcast, the plane scene was fake, too. They flew tourist!! lolol
When did YoYo's become all these fanciful names????? Angela's 'rosettes' or ?'flourishons'? have been called YoYo's going back decades.....have several quilts and bedspreads my grandmother made a looooooong time ago with a card in her writing calling them YoYo quilts. There are skads of books going back years showing all the wonderful crafts you can make with them.....again calling them YoYo's.
The only comment I have on the studded crotch......pretty packages don't always contain the best of surprises.....I don't know a single normal male that would get caught dead in a studded crotch pant...even at Halloween!!!! LOL
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September 6, 2006 - 09:12 AM
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He did look stricken. He was very confident when they were in Parsons NY, and I think he said that he thought he was going to win. An earlier poster said that the French judge was so harsh in her criticisms that they had to reshoot the sequence. Angela in particular got it the worst. I kind of felt sorry for the two of them.
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Yes, I read that, too, about the French judge being especially harsh. But I also read that it was unintentional -- that she was just telling it like a french woman would tell it -- not realizing that she sounded so over the top. Would have sunk through the floor, myself, if I had been Kayne.
Wonder who tonight's models will be....who will be the judges...what's the challenge...they're obviously all making dresses so what would the challenge be? Are they having to design for a Parriesienne population or for Americans? Enquiring minds want to know...LOL
notevayas
September 6, 2006 - 09:19 AM
I'm really glad to hear that. I don't travel much except for a recent trip to Florida which left me with the impression that it was not safe outside the "tourist" enclaves and beachfront area we were at. And the ambulance sirens all night long did nothing for the ambience.
Northern conservatism seems to respect privacy, while southern conservatism seems to be about enforcing Christian fundamentalism on the entire population.
notevayas
PsychD
September 6, 2006 - 09:25 AM
Thanks for tweaking my memory! Michael's dog walking outfit was a stunner. I loved the halter top, and thought it looked classy. Now that you mention it, I remember being a bit surprised that the judges didn't give it more attention.
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gandm
September 6, 2006 - 09:28 AM
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I'm really glad to hear that. I don't travel much except for a recent trip to Florida which left me with the impression that it was not safe outside the "tourist" enclaves and beachfront area we were at. And the ambulance sirens all night long did nothing for the ambience.
Northern conservatism seems to respect privacy, while southern conservatism seems to be about enforcing Christian fundamentalism on the entire population.
notevayas
After I posted that, I remembered an old friend of mine. He, another guy, and another girl all met when we were hired as opening crew for a restaurant here. The four of us hung out all the time -- all just friends. Myself, the other girl, and one of the guys are all straight. The other guy - Chuck - didn't seem to like either guys or girls so we dubbed him 'asexual Chuck' (although we secretly thought he was probably gay). We lost touch for a couple of years but I ran into him and we got to chatting. Turns out in the couple of years we had lost touch, he finally came out of the closet. We were about 27-28 years old at this point. Anyway, he's from a small town in the middle of Kansas and hid being gay b/c of the community he was from and fear that his family wouldn't accept him. Sad. But he's happy & out now. And his parents weren't thrilled but did accept him for himself. I think that is typical for the small town Kansas attitude which is reflected in the article you read.
nowvoyager
September 6, 2006 - 09:40 AM
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None of the judges have said that to Vincent, but they said it plenty of times to/about Santino, remember? Santino was all about Santino, he could have cared less about the model. Maybe Vincent feels that way, too -- I am guessing that Vincent is all about Vincent, from the things he says to the judges and about himself.
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September 6, 2006 - 09:46 AM
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He does not understand a woman's curves and enhancing natural beauty. He is more like a crazed artist that feels all of his canvases are the same.
None of the judges have said that to Vincent, but they said it plenty of times to/about Santino, remember? Santino was all about Santino, he could have cared less about the model. Maybe Vincent feels that way, too -- I am guessing that Vincent is all about Vincent, from the things he says to the judges and about himself.
Having dealt with personalities similar to these judges (((how was that for diplomatic? LOL))) ...I think they are stepping lightly where Vincent is concerned. I think they have respect for his past....understanding about how this industry can send you over the edge easily.....and the obvious instability. I mean think about it.....would YOU want to be the one responsible for sending the guy back to the padded room????
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September 6, 2006 - 09:47 AM
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The only comment I have on the studded crotch......pretty packages don't always contain the best of surprises.....I don't know a single normal male that would get caught dead in a studded crotch pant...even at Halloween!!!! LOL
I noticed during a rerun that Jeffrey's outfit included a waist chain or something like that when he went down the runway, but in Paris it was missing. Why is that?
wl60
September 6, 2006 - 09:49 AM
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The only comment I have on the studded crotch......pretty packages don't always contain the best of surprises.....I don't know a single normal male that would get caught dead in a studded crotch pant...even at Halloween!!!! LOL
I noticed during a rerun that Jeffrey's outfit included a waist chain or something like that when he went down the runway, but in Paris it was missing. Why is that?
It seems his outfit was not as comfortable as it should've been.....he kept stripping more off the closer they got to Parson's Paris. Wasn't that part of this competition too?????
notevayas
September 6, 2006 - 09:55 AM
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Personally, I'm not so much for the pretty boys. When I talk about my polar bear, I'm not talking about any gay subculture like dcjewbear was talking about. My guy actually looks much like a polar bear, lol, tall with white hair and notsothinanymore. He is very tough about the winter, being born here, and I am very hating the winter except from the inside when all the trees look like ice sculptures.
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Vincent: "I am the twist."
I said I was not going to post again, and I probably won't, but I have been reading and this was just too good to resist.
If your man looks like a polar bear then he *is* a bear. He may not identify with us or, even be aware we exist, but if he walked into a room of bears he would immediately be identified as one of us. So, ya see, we actually have much more in common than you think. My hubby is a cub and your guy is a polar bear. It's just the beginning and the end of the same species, figuratively speaking.
If you call your guy a cub, the old saying "Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you." could be appropriate.
Seriously, there must be more to being a bear than looking like one. My guy is territorial, especially with the remote , but also with me. But I would not want to be the one to inform him that he is a gay subspecies, lol. He took long enough to admit he was bi.
The time I most think that you may be right is when he and his (straight) friends are watching sports. I really feel like I am "feeding the bears". If they start to argue, it's time for a fresh tray, and they settle down..
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Cindy1692
September 6, 2006 - 10:12 AM
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Several posters who design/sew have pointed out the obvious problems with his outfit. The word that flashes in my head whenever Vincent's name comes up is -----too simple. His 'designs' seem immaturely, simplistic to me. They are like looking at 20's and 30's McCall patterns....and not the modern-nostalgic look either....but the stiff, ungiving and uncomfortable look. Yet....what he made for himself was almost slovenly in appearance in comparison rather then the crisp, unforgiving lines of what he makes for his female models. That may be why the judges liked it.....a different look from him. He does not understand a woman's curves and enhancing natural beauty. He is more like a crazed artist that feels all of his canvases are the same.
Most designers believe that their canvasses are the same: hence tall, beautiful, and very slim muses. It's natural. I think most of the construction problems in many of the designs have to do with time and budget constraints, as well as being presented with a challenge to meet, rather than what one would want to do.
At 49, Vincent is my age group and so I can understand what the 45-50 year olds grew up with: those structured lines of the 60's, stiff fabrics(remember polyester of the 60's and 70's?)and the minimalist fashions of Calvin Klein and others that was easy to copy for the mass manufacturer's clothing we all wore. In the Midwest, as a conservative dresser and natural lover of very feminine clothes I was quick to embrace Laura Ashley and the prairie look to escape polyester, but all the guys in my age group had fewer options, although a lot of them were seriously into their hair, rather than their clothes.
And Vincent is in the majority of designers, especially male designers, who design for the woman to conform to their clothes, not the clothing to conform to the woman, especially the "average woman" This has been true since Charles Worth. Women designers have always had less leeway in "understanding a woman's body" With the possible exception of Vivenne Westwood, there are very few female designers who can design and "get away with" really outrageous designs. I admire VW's aesthetic, though, much as I couldn't ever wear her designs, even if I could afford to.
To be fashionable is to be uncomfortable in some way, whether it is subjecting one'sself to corsets and stilleto heels, or severe dieting and surgery.
And design for men can get away with minimalist, ever since the Industrial Revolution put paid to the fashionable male as peacock. Before that, men's fashions changed as quickly, if not more quickly, than a fashionable woman's. Had one of the female designer's chosen such a look for herself, she would have been hit harder by the judges than Vincent was, I think.
Now what about tonight. Our designers after dinner with Tim and being house in a beautiful old hotel building will have to pay for it by being back in Parson's Paris 120 degree sweatshop. so no wonder creativity gets stimied and tempers are short.
Party dresses seem to be the challenge, designing a party dress that someone will buy. Jeffrey with immunity, looks like the only one to really go out on a limb with that bold yellow plaid.
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