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KSboy
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Spam - yuck!!! My husband has been to Hawaii several times as an instructor for squadrons there for a few weeks at a time. He said he usually has spam with rice for breakfast! Spam is bad enough, but to eat it for breakfast sounds really gross!
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WITH RICE?????

(sorry couldn't resist!)

D




Have to admit I've eaten it with rice and for breakfast, and it's sort of one of those guilty pleasures. My partner (who I am NOT going to spend the night discussing again) is Filipino. In the Philippines, as in Hawaii, Spam is almost a staple -- dating from the days of GIs in WWII. It's continued in popularity, partly due to the appeal of a preserved meat that doesn't need refrigeration in a hot tropical country with frequent typhoons and power outages. I know it's pure junk, but, honestly, the Filipinos have come up with creative ways to make it really delicious.

I never buy it to eat when I'm stateside, but I must admit that there are some cans of Spam (along with the tuna and processed chicken) in the emergency preparedness food box that I keep handy just in case we someday get that terrorist-evacuation order or another hurricane that knocks out our power for several days.
brillke
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Yes, spam with rice and some mornings with eggs. bleck

Pinto beans and cornbread! mmmmmmmmmmm I make my cornbread in a cast iron skillet too. I almost divorced my husband when I caught him about to crack a couple of eggs into it. Anyone from the South that makes cornbread (NOT corn muffin) knows you have a skillet just for cornbread! And the pinto beans have to be cooked with tons of chili powder. hehehe

CLee





Chili powder in your beans? Never heard of that. We use a ham hock,ham steak or fatback. My dad would go walking and come back a bit later with a handfull of greens he picked. Maybe make deviled eggs and fried taters and you got a damn fine meal.

brillke
cleeg
Fatback or ham hocks with navy beans. The chili powder in pinto beans comes from my mom growing up in NM. LOL

CLee
ArtInstigator
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Thank you...I wasn't sure anyone had read it...

Hi Damsel,
I read it. Thank you. Your son is very blessed to have you for a mother.
AI
charlotteb
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Fatback or ham hocks with navy beans. The chili powder in pinto beans comes from my mom growing up in NM. LOL

CLee



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My former mother-in-law fixes pinto beans with ham hock, paprika, chili powder, brown sugar (makes a beautiful juice).
My Grandma used to fry strips of fat pork and make red-eye gravy to sop with biscuits.
okay now I'm hungry and all we have is Cheerios!
C
charlotteb
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Thank you...I wasn't sure anyone had read it...

Hi Damsel,
I read it. Thank you. Your son is very blessed to have you for a mother.
AI




My sentiments as well Damsel.
C
charlotteb
Thank you, KS. It is always a pleasure reading your posts.
C
ArtInstigator
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Yes, spam with rice and some mornings with eggs. bleck

Pinto beans and cornbread! mmmmmmmmmmm I make my cornbread in a cast iron skillet too. I almost divorced my husband when I caught him about to crack a couple of eggs into it. Anyone from the South that makes cornbread (NOT corn muffin) knows you have a skillet just for cornbread! And the pinto beans have to be cooked with tons of chili powder. hehehe

CLee





Chili powder in your beans? Never heard of that. We use a ham hock,ham steak or fatback. My dad would go walking and come back a bit later with a handfull of greens he picked. Maybe make deviled eggs and fried taters and you got a damn fine meal.

brillke




I'm with you, CLee, you gotta have lots of chili powder in your pinto beans. I sold my cornbread skillet at a yard sale right after divorcing my ex. He had fried fish in it!
AI
Carole
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Fatback or ham hocks with navy beans. The chili powder in pinto beans comes from my mom growing up in NM. LOL

CLee




I grew up in New Mexico. There were only 8 people in the entire state when I was a kid, lol. What town is your Mother from?
Carole
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My former mother-in-law fixes pinto beans with ham hock, paprika, chili powder, brown sugar (makes a beautiful juice).
My Grandma used to fry strips of fat pork and make red-eye gravy to sop with biscuits.
okay now I'm hungry and all we have is Cheerios!
C




I just emailed that to my husband! He loves red eye gravy. Hard to find, even in Atlanta. (You know the old joke about how connected you are to your computer when you email across the room).
brillke
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My former mother-in-law fixes pinto beans with ham hock, paprika, chili powder, brown sugar (makes a beautiful juice).
My Grandma used to fry strips of fat pork and make red-eye gravy to sop with biscuits.
okay now I'm hungry and all we have is Cheerios!
C




I just emailed that to my husband! He loves red eye gravy. Hard to find, even in Atlanta. (You know the old joke about how connected you are to your computer when you email across the room).





We made red eye gravy when we fried hamsteaks. I never cared for it so was happy we didnt have it very often. Had a friend say his grandmother made chocolate gravy. Made like regular milk gravy but added chocolate at the end. EWWW,

brillke
IronChef
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Carole allow me to introduce myself. I am the "love to eat", "hate to cook" person on the board. I too love my nuke machine. lol

Have to admit that with hubby's new diet I am actually having to cook and to be honest, I still hate it. Just finished fat free gengerbread and have orange/cranberry muffins in the oven.

I long for the days of good food in restaurants and junk food lol.

Lazylady




About my second sentence to my future husband was, "I don't cook." So he took me out to eat. After we were married, he asked me, "What's for dinner?" Men. He has now learned...he cooks his own dinner. I would never eat what he eats, anyway...I have mentioned on this board before, he likes fried spam.




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My guy loves fried spam and he usually keeps a supply on hand for late night munching and then complains the rest of the night....but I love him still. I just refuse to kiss him on spam night!
C




Oooh, yum!!! Nothing can quite compare with crispy fried Spam with dill, melted sharp cheddar 'n soft boiled egg on a warm english muffin on PR/TC night, (unless it's my all-time-favorite combo of chicken breast, apple 'n brie all broiled on an all-butter croissant)! Whoo!!! I'm famished!

Lia
SisterZip73
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My guy loves fried spam and he usually keeps a supply on hand for late night munching and then complains the rest of the night....but I love him still. I just refuse to kiss him on spam night!
C




Spam - yuck!!! My husband has been to Hawaii several times as an instructor for squadrons there for a few weeks at a time. He said he usually has spam with rice for breakfast! Spam is bad enough, but to eat it for breakfast sounds really gross!

Clee



LOL!
I would like to to invite ya'll to our next Spam-o-rama! It's an annual event held every spring in Austin to celebate all things Spam! I'm a veggie now, but I ate plenty of broiled Spam when I was a kid! lol
AI




AI,
I remember many a meal when I was a kid when all we had was pinto beans and cornbread (made in an old iron skillet). My Dad, who had ulcers, would have milk and cornbread. That's still my comfort food. Maybe Al and i can make it to Austin for the SPAM-A-THON! I wanted to get my son tickets to Monty Python Spam thingy when it comes to Houston.
C
C




Spam-a-lot! It is coming to St. Louis, too. Would love to see it. Love, Love, LOVE Monty Python & the Holy Grail. "Runaway....Runaway!"
charlotteb
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My former mother-in-law fixes pinto beans with ham hock, paprika, chili powder, brown sugar (makes a beautiful juice).
My Grandma used to fry strips of fat pork and make red-eye gravy to sop with biscuits.
okay now I'm hungry and all we have is Cheerios!
C




I just emailed that to my husband! He loves red eye gravy. Hard to find, even in Atlanta. (You know the old joke about how connected you are to your computer when you email across the room).





We made red eye gravy when we fried hamsteaks. I never cared for it so was happy we didnt have it very often. Had a friend say his grandmother made chocolate gravy. Made like regular milk gravy but added chocolate at the end. EWWW,

brillke




Gotta agree with chocolate gravy....Yuck! But you mentioned greens awhile back....love me a mess of greens!
Same grandma could feed the whole family on a can of tuna, she put everything but the kitchen sink in it to make it go farther. She's been gone 15 years but I can still taste those sandwiches with "Mrs. Baird's" white bread...soft and fresh!
SisterZip73
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Yes, spam with rice and some mornings with eggs. bleck

Pinto beans and cornbread! mmmmmmmmmmm I make my cornbread in a cast iron skillet too. I almost divorced my husband when I caught him about to crack a couple of eggs into it. Anyone from the South that makes cornbread (NOT corn muffin) knows you have a skillet just for cornbread! And the pinto beans have to be cooked with tons of chili powder. hehehe

CLee





Chili powder in your beans? Never heard of that. We use a ham hock,ham steak or fatback. My dad would go walking and come back a bit later with a handfull of greens he picked. Maybe make deviled eggs and fried taters and you got a damn fine meal.

brillke




I'm with you, CLee, you gotta have lots of chili powder in your pinto beans. I sold my cornbread skillet at a yard sale right after divorcing my ex. He had fried fish in it!
AI




I would have divorced his ass, too! That is just not right. When I got married, my grandparents owned a second hand shop in the building they owned on Main Street in a small town just north of Hannibal, MO. He gave me an iron skillet that he picked up at an estate sale. Already cured and everything. He asked me if I knew what to do with it and I said, of course. My new hubby just had to ask what I would use it for. My grandfather told him that it was to hit him over the head if he had to ask such stupid questions. My grandmother got mad, but hubby thought it was funny.
notevayas
You know all the extra tomatos that every backyard gardener is frantically trying to give away before they rot this time of year? Put them into a Pyrex bowl and pour boiling water over them. Remove the skin, seeds, and any hard or greenish parts. Take the pulp and toss into a pan and pretty much boil it down to a stew consistancy and season to taste.. or use in a recipe like this one..
GREEN BEAN CASSEROLE
INGREDIENTS:


16 oz cooked or canned green beans, drained (mushy)
16 oz fresh made or canned stewed tomatos
1/4 teaspoon basil - Fresh!
pepper -- to taste
3 Tablespoons dry bread crumbs
2 teaspoons butter

PREPARATION:
In a 1 1/2-quart casserole, mix green beans with stewed tomatoes, pepper, and basil. Sprinkle with bread crumbs and dot with butter. Bake in a preheated 425 degree oven for 25 minutes, or until hot and bubbly.
Serve in the salad dish instead of a 'cold' salad.

It's barely 50 degrees here in MA! Cold! Tomorrow maybe 70.

notevayas
charlotteb
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Yes, spam with rice and some mornings with eggs. bleck

Pinto beans and cornbread! mmmmmmmmmmm I make my cornbread in a cast iron skillet too. I almost divorced my husband when I caught him about to crack a couple of eggs into it. Anyone from the South that makes cornbread (NOT corn muffin) knows you have a skillet just for cornbread! And the pinto beans have to be cooked with tons of chili powder. hehehe

CLee





Chili powder in your beans? Never heard of that. We use a ham hock,ham steak or fatback. My dad would go walking and come back a bit later with a handfull of greens he picked. Maybe make deviled eggs and fried taters and you got a damn fine meal.

brillke




I'm with you, CLee, you gotta have lots of chili powder in your pinto beans. I sold my cornbread skillet at a yard sale right after divorcing my ex. He had fried fish in it!
AI




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My mother-in-law had a small cast iron skillet for frying eggs.
A large one for corn bread and a giant one for fried chicken. My Dad has a large one exclusively for frying fish.
C
dcjewbear
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9/11 is not a sacred day at all. It is a sad day when many Americans became victims of terrorism and a few Americans became heros and heroines because they went into burning buildings trying to rescue people trapped inside. Just being there and being injured or killed, or escaping does not make a person a hero. There were many victims and few heros. I would like to see the government establish a trust fund to give $250,000 and upwards to each spouse, child, parent, brother or sister of an American military person killed or injured in Iraq. They are heros, not people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted it is very sad what happened to those victims, but it did not turn them into heros and did not make them what they were not.





Yet another post written to flame. Im taking the high road like DC did. God Bless You.

brillke




We can be Heroes
Just for one day
We can be us
Just for one day
- David Bowie, 1977


Right before I read that post I read Art's lovely post directed at me. It meant so much to me. I was touched at the thoughtfulness and care that was taken in the writing and I was going to write that very thing when I decided to read the rest of that page before doing so. The post you are responding to was the next one in line, though, and it took the wind right out of my sails.

So I went into my bedroom where Drew, who had just come in from work, was having a beer and watching the Orioles play the Red Sox on tv. I flopped down on the sofa and snuggled up to him and we sat there for a little while. He then looked me in the eye and asked what was up. He sensed I was a little down and we always demand that we are honest with each other about what we feel, so that was natural. I told him and he looked at me and said "a lot of people think Cal Ripken is a hero".

You're probably wondering what the hell he meant by that but I knew. What did Cal Ripken do? He went to work every day and he did the best that he knew how to do. Now, you must realize, the first year Cal played regularly he was the MVP and the Orioles won the World Series. He had to expect more of the same but his team only managed the play offs twice more while he played, and he played a long time, but he showed up and did his best. That's why he was a Hero.

Those people in those buildings went to work that day and they died for their effort. They did what they did every day and that's what makes a Hero. They came to make a living, take care of the people they loved and be a responsible person on this planet and that is Heroism, pure and simple.

To say that someone can not be a Hero because what they didn't do is, therefore, to me, pretty reprehensible. If you make an effort you will be a Hero to someone at some point in your life, and that's not nothing, so let's celebrate life. It took a lot of typing to say what we all know is simple but maybe it wasn't a waste of time. At least I hope not.

So thanks Art for your incredible post. I really think that it would be quite something to actually know you personally. Hell, I think it's just nice to know that you're here on this planet.

Shalom.
charlotteb
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You know all the extra tomatos that every backyard gardener is frantically trying to give away before they rot this time of year? Put them into a Pyrex bowl and pour boiling water over them. Remove the skin, seeds, and any hard or greenish parts. Take the pulp and toss into a pan and pretty much boil it down to a stew consistancy and season to taste.. or use in a recipe like this one..
GREEN BEAN CASSEROLE
INGREDIENTS:


16 oz cooked or canned green beans, drained (mushy)
16 oz fresh made or canned stewed tomatos
1/4 teaspoon basil - Fresh!
pepper -- to taste
3 Tablespoons dry bread crumbs
2 teaspoons butter

PREPARATION:
In a 1 1/2-quart casserole, mix green beans with stewed tomatoes, pepper, and basil. Sprinkle with bread crumbs and dot with butter. Bake in a preheated 425 degree oven for 25 minutes, or until hot and bubbly.
Serve in the salad dish instead of a 'cold' salad.

It's barely 50 degrees here in MA! Cold! Tomorrow maybe 70.

notevayas




Thanks for the recipe, notevayas, I will try that this weekend. I make my green beans by
frying some bacon pieces and then slice some onions up and cook them in the bacon fat. Add the green beans and stewed tomatoes and a little sugar.
C
SisterZip73
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My former mother-in-law fixes pinto beans with ham hock, paprika, chili powder, brown sugar (makes a beautiful juice).
My Grandma used to fry strips of fat pork and make red-eye gravy to sop with biscuits.
okay now I'm hungry and all we have is Cheerios!
C




I just emailed that to my husband! He loves red eye gravy. Hard to find, even in Atlanta. (You know the old joke about how connected you are to your computer when you email across the room).





We made red eye gravy when we fried hamsteaks. I never cared for it so was happy we didnt have it very often. Had a friend say his grandmother made chocolate gravy. Made like regular milk gravy but added chocolate at the end. EWWW,

brillke




One Thanksgiving I had both sides of the family over. My MIL offered to make the gravy. All of the drippings and stuff were right there. By accident she grabbed the shaker that I had put cinnamon & sugar in for cookies (hubby left it out...do they ever put anything away?) thinking it was pepper. When she saw what it was, she was so upset. She really hadn't gotten that much sugar in it, but it was the best gravy I had ever had. If you put unsweetened chocolate or cocoa in something, it gives it a bite that is really interesting.
charlotteb
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9/11 is not a sacred day at all. It is a sad day when many Americans became victims of terrorism and a few Americans became heros and heroines because they went into burning buildings trying to rescue people trapped inside. Just being there and being injured or killed, or escaping does not make a person a hero. There were many victims and few heros. I would like to see the government establish a trust fund to give $250,000 and upwards to each spouse, child, parent, brother or sister of an American military person killed or injured in Iraq. They are heros, not people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted it is very sad what happened to those victims, but it did not turn them into heros and did not make them what they were not.





Yet another post written to flame. Im taking the high road like DC did. God Bless You.

brillke




We can be Heroes
Just for one day
We can be us
Just for one day
- David Bowie, 1977


Right before I read that post I read Art's lovely post directed at me. It meant so much to me. I was touched at the thoughtfulness and care that was taken in the writing and I was going to write that very thing when I decided to read the rest of that page before doing so. The post you are responding to was the next one in line, though, and it took the wind right out of my sails.

So I went into my bedroom where Drew, who had just come in from work, was having a beer and watching the Orioles play the Red Sox on tv. I flopped down on the sofa and snuggled up to him and we sat there for a little while. He then looked me in the eye and asked what was up. He sensed I was a little down and we always demand that we are honest with each other about what we feel, so that was natural. I told him and he looked at me and said "a lot of people think Cal Ripken is a hero".

You're probably wondering what the hell he meant by that but I knew. What did Cal Ripken do? He went to work every day and he did the best that he knew how to do. Now, you must realize, the first year Cal played regularly he was the MVP and the Orioles won the World Series. He had to expect more of the same but his team only managed the play offs twice more while he played, and he played a long time, but he showed up and did his best. That's why he was a Hero.

Those people in those buildings went to work that day and they died for their effort. They did what they did every day and that's what makes a Hero. They came to make a living, take care of the people they loved and be a responsible person on this planet and that is Heroism, pure and simple.

To say that someone can not be a Hero because what they didn't do is, therefore, to me, pretty reprehensible. If you make an effort you will be a Hero to someone at some point in your life, and that's not nothing, so let's celebrate life. It took a lot of typing to say what we all know is simple but maybe it wasn't a waste of time. At least I hope not.

So thanks Art for your incredible post. I really think that it would be quite something to actually know you personally. Hell, I think it's just nice to know that you're here on this planet.

Shalom.




Good post, Bear.
C
brillke
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9/11 is not a sacred day at all. It is a sad day when many Americans became victims of terrorism and a few Americans became heros and heroines because they went into burning buildings trying to rescue people trapped inside. Just being there and being injured or killed, or escaping does not make a person a hero. There were many victims and few heros. I would like to see the government establish a trust fund to give $250,000 and upwards to each spouse, child, parent, brother or sister of an American military person killed or injured in Iraq. They are heros, not people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted it is very sad what happened to those victims, but it did not turn them into heros and did not make them what they were not.





Yet another post written to flame. Im taking the high road like DC did. God Bless You.

brillke




We can be Heroes
Just for one day
We can be us
Just for one day
- David Bowie, 1977


Right before I read that post I read Art's lovely post directed at me. It meant so much to me. I was touched at the thoughtfulness and care that was taken in the writing and I was going to write that very thing when I decided to read the rest of that page before doing so. The post you are responding to was the next one in line, though, and it took the wind right out of my sails.

So I went into my bedroom where Drew, who had just come in from work, was having a beer and watching the Orioles play the Red Sox on tv. I flopped down on the sofa and snuggled up to him and we sat there for a little while. He then looked me in the eye and asked what was up. He sensed I was a little down and we always demand that we are honest with each other about what we feel, so that was natural. I told him and he looked at me and said "a lot of people think Cal Ripken is a hero".

You're probably wondering what the hell he meant by that but I knew. What did Cal Ripken do? He went to work every day and he did the best that he knew how to do. Now, you must realize, the first year Cal played regularly he was the MVP and the Orioles won the World Series. He had to expect more of the same but his team only managed the play offs twice more while he played, and he played a long time, but he showed up and did his best. That's why he was a Hero.

Those people in those buildings went to work that day and they died for their effort. They did what they did every day and that's what makes a Hero. They came to make a living, take care of the people they loved and be a responsible person on this planet and that is Heroism, pure and simple.

To say that someone can not be a Hero because what they didn't do is, therefore, to me, pretty reprehensible. If you make an effort you will be a Hero to someone at some point in your life, and that's not nothing, so let's celebrate life. It took a lot of typing to say what we all know is simple but maybe it wasn't a waste of time. At least I hope not.

So thanks Art for your incredible post. I really think that it would be quite something to actually know you personally. Hell, I think it's just nice to know that you're here on this planet.

Shalom.






I applaud your post DC. It was perfect.

brillke
MissOtis
Hi everyone! I am just now catching up on last week. If anyone has missed Vincent's interview and fears they will miss him, this will take care of both:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1532414...1057_0_,00.html
Carole
This is great:
http://projectyawnur.blogspot.com/2006/09/...ane-week-9.html

Here's a little excerpt:


Uli resisted the bright prints, but fell back on her standby "effort"less look. Laura relied on her simple, classic lines, then added a Swiffer Duster collar for dramatic flair. Michael wanted to try something new - a hand ruching technique that worked so well for Malan. Kayne contrasted a soft chiffon skirt with a gold, beaded corset. Jeffrey combined two similar plaids to make a fun and hip frock. And, Vincent constructed a chaise lounge.
Suz1018
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This is great:
http://projectyawnur.blogspot.com/2006/09/...ane-week-9.html

Here's a little excerpt:


Uli resisted the bright prints, but fell back on her standby "effort"less look. Laura relied on her simple, classic lines, then added a Swiffer Duster collar for dramatic flair. Michael wanted to try something new - a hand ruching technique that worked so well for Malan. Kayne contrasted a soft chiffon skirt with a gold, beaded corset. Jeffrey combined two similar plaids to make a fun and hip frock. And, Vincent constructed a chaise lounge.




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LOL! I was thinking that Vincent's dress needed some, je ne s'ait qui........... maybe my Grandma's drapery rod.
ArtInstigator
Thank you, Bear. You sensed correctly that this post was difficult to write. I left the heavy sh*t out. (that's a joke, but not really). I cannot tell you how dismayed I was to see the post that followed mine. I have to be careful reading this board, sometimes subjects come up that take me places I might not want to go. I abhor violence, so some of the posts really bother me. The whole Jia bus accident thing gave me flashbacks to an experience very personal and very painful. Let's just say I know how traumatized the people on that bus were after that accident, only worse.

I want to tell you fun stuff like how in 2004, when the ESPN announcers said, "If you had said at the beginning of the season it would be the Red Sox and the Cardinals in the World Series, we would have to say you're lying" my hubby jumped out of his chair and screamed at the TV, "Are you calling my wife a liar?". Every year we make predictions, sometimes they come true. Hell, I predicted the date of Raphael Palmeiro's 500th homerun (Mother's Day, May 11, 2003) during spring training. I picked the Sox to take it all in 2004, wish I'd bet on that one!

I want to sit on the Bear couch and discuss the formation of the A.B.M.A.S., the Art Bear Mutual Admiration Society, and you know, silly stuff like that. Your dinner sounded fab! I loved your description of the simplicity. I had a wonderful evening that night as well, hubby and I saw old friends and ended up making new ones, too. One new friend is a local boy who had my dad as a teacher in HS, had been to a ton of shows I had been to, and is now an assistant baseball coach at the oldest traditionally black university in town. It was a magical evening, one I won't forget. In closing, I'm going to tell you what my daddy used to tell people on their birthdays, "I'm glad you were born"
AI
CALady
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9/11 is not a sacred day at all. It is a sad day when many Americans became victims of terrorism and a few Americans became heros and heroines because they went into burning buildings trying to rescue people trapped inside. Just being there and being injured or killed, or escaping does not make a person a hero. There were many victims and few heros. I would like to see the government establish a trust fund to give $250,000 and upwards to each spouse, child, parent, brother or sister of an American military person killed or injured in Iraq. They are heros, not people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted it is very sad what happened to those victims, but it did not turn them into heros and did not make them what they were not.





Yet another post written to flame. Im taking the high road like DC did. God Bless You.

brillke




We can be Heroes
Just for one day
We can be us
Just for one day
- David Bowie, 1977


Right before I read that post I read Art's lovely post directed at me. It meant so much to me. I was touched at the thoughtfulness and care that was taken in the writing and I was going to write that very thing when I decided to read the rest of that page before doing so. The post you are responding to was the next one in line, though, and it took the wind right out of my sails.

So I went into my bedroom where Drew, who had just come in from work, was having a beer and watching the Orioles play the Red Sox on tv. I flopped down on the sofa and snuggled up to him and we sat there for a little while. He then looked me in the eye and asked what was up. He sensed I was a little down and we always demand that we are honest with each other about what we feel, so that was natural. I told him and he looked at me and said "a lot of people think Cal Ripken is a hero".

You're probably wondering what the hell he meant by that but I knew. What did Cal Ripken do? He went to work every day and he did the best that he knew how to do. Now, you must realize, the first year Cal played regularly he was the MVP and the Orioles won the World Series. He had to expect more of the same but his team only managed the play offs twice more while he played, and he played a long time, but he showed up and did his best. That's why he was a Hero.

Those people in those buildings went to work that day and they died for their effort. They did what they did every day and that's what makes a Hero. They came to make a living, take care of the people they loved and be a responsible person on this planet and that is Heroism, pure and simple.

To say that someone can not be a Hero because what they didn't do is, therefore, to me, pretty reprehensible. If you make an effort you will be a Hero to someone at some point in your life, and that's not nothing, so let's celebrate life. It took a lot of typing to say what we all know is simple but maybe it wasn't a waste of time. At least I hope not.

So thanks Art for your incredible post. I really think that it would be quite something to actually know you personally. Hell, I think it's just nice to know that you're here on this planet.

Shalom.




Oh bear, come here and get a PR hug!! You put this so well and it is up to each and everyone of us to say who is our heros and what impact, big or small they have made on our lives. You came forward Sunday night, shared some very tuff feelings about your day in NY on 9/11. You did not have to do that. Then you asked us all for peace for Monday and these boards calmed down. It has been stressful to be out here for the past week, and you brought the peace back and the fun and good cheer followed. For me... and I only speak for me... today you are my PR board hero..You used your pain to bring calm to many of us and you made many stop and think of the blessing we forget we have... and for that, I thank you my board friend.
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9/11 is not a sacred day at all. It is a sad day when many Americans became victims of terrorism and a few Americans became heros and heroines because they went into burning buildings trying to rescue people trapped inside. Just being there and being injured or killed, or escaping does not make a person a hero. There were many victims and few heros. I would like to see the government establish a trust fund to give $250,000 and upwards to each spouse, child, parent, brother or sister of an American military person killed or injured in Iraq. They are heros, not people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted it is very sad what happened to those victims, but it did not turn them into heros and did not make them what they were not.





Yet another post written to flame. Im taking the high road like DC did. God Bless You.

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We can be Heroes
Just for one day
We can be us
Just for one day
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Right before I read that post I read Art's lovely post directed at me. It meant so much to me. I was touched at the thoughtfulness and care that was taken in the writing and I was going to write that very thing when I decided to read the rest of that page before doing so. The post you are responding to was the next one in line, though, and it took the wind right out of my sails.

So I went into my bedroom where Drew, who had just come in from work, was having a beer and watching the Orioles play the Red Sox on tv. I flopped down on the sofa and snuggled up to him and we sat there for a little while. He then looked me in the eye and asked what was up. He sensed I was a little down and we always demand that we are honest with each other about what we feel, so that was natural. I told him and he looked at me and said "a lot of people think Cal Ripken is a hero".

You're probably wondering what the hell he meant by that but I knew. What did Cal Ripken do? He went to work every day and he did the best that he knew how to do. Now, you must realize, the first year Cal played regularly he was the MVP and the Orioles won the World Series. He had to expect more of the same but his team only managed the play offs twice more while he played, and he played a long time, but he showed up and did his best. That's why he was a Hero.

Those people in those buildings went to work that day and they died for their effort. They did what they did every day and that's what makes a Hero. They came to make a living, take care of the people they loved and be a responsible person on this planet and that is Heroism, pure and simple.

To say that someone can not be a Hero because what they didn't do is, therefore, to me, pretty reprehensible. If you make an effort you will be a Hero to someone at some point in your life, and that's not nothing, so let's celebrate life. It took a lot of typing to say what we all know is simple but maybe it wasn't a waste of time. At least I hope not.

So thanks Art for your incredible post. I really think that it would be quite something to actually know you personally. Hell, I think it's just nice to know that you're here on this planet.

Shalom.




Oh bear, come here and get a PR hug!! You put this so well and it is up to each and everyone of us to say who is our heros and what impact, big or small they have made on our lives. You came forward Sunday night, shared some very tuff feelings about your day in NY on 9/11. You did not have to do that. Then you asked us all for peace for Monday and these boards calmed down. It has been stressful to be out here for the past week, and you brought the peace back and the fun and good cheer followed. For me... and I only speak for me... today you are my PR board hero..You used your pain to bring calm to many of us and you made many stop and think of the blessing we forget we have... and for that, I thank you my board friend.





Haven't had much time online the last few days, but especially Bear's and AI's posts touched me. And I very much agree with you CaLady....I echo the old Robert Heinlein statements from "Stranger in a Strange Land"...forgive me for not recalling it verbatim....heroes come in all types, it is the ailing parent working one more day to provide for the family, the child who takes care of siblings after mom dies, and yes, the everyday people who, as in the 9-11 attacks, tragedy, survived because they had the wherewithal to do so....every story presented by the survivors, every single one I have heard....highlights that the majority of the people who were able to survive did so because another person led them, assisted them, gave them hope, and companionship. Everyday people.
Nuff said, good nite.
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Hello wl60, D, et al,
I've only been here a few weeks, but one thing I've noticed about posters that turn out to be trolls: They do not introduce themselves to the board when they first start posting. Their first posts seem to fall into two categories; provacatively nasty, or provacatively nice. Sometimes they seem to target other posters to stir up the board. They don't ever seem to come here and say, "hi ya'll, I've been reading your posts and want to join the discussion". I've noticed posters fabricating information to elicit a response, and not necessarily a response from the poster they're quoting or responding to. They hide in the margins, then deliberately post inflammatory opinions, trying to get a rise out of someone, anyone, doesn't matter who, as long as they can get someone going. In fact, I know there's one here now trying to p*ss me off, it ain't gonna work, because I don't talk to people who don't bother to say hello. Oh yeah, D, love the Valium idea! lol
AI




I've only been here a few weeks. The only other place I've posted is on USFSA. I didn't realize that there was a board etiquette that I had to introduce myself first and ask permission to post. I may have been a little vitriolic on the Everyday Woman episode, but I was furious with Jeffrey's behavior. I know that I've toned down since. I also didn't know that I had to read at least 20 pages before I could post. Seems to me that if I have a comment to make on an earlier post that should be OK. I enjoy reading the posts. If the new poster must introduce and aks permission to post, maybe that should be made clear at the very beginning of the posts.
That said, here I am, may I post?
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The talent isn't in the ability to sew, but in the designs. My sister has that talent, but has only used it in infant clothes. She created designs for preemie clothes long before Mother Care did it. Each outfit was an original, and amazing. Unfortunately, once Mother Care came up with ready made, my sister couldn't make enough to keep her business going. Anyone for couture preemie outfits?



The talent may be in the design, but couture is all about the artisans who put together the garment. I read a knowledgable poster on TWOP that posted that in order to qualify as a couture house to the French government, a designer has to employ 35 full time year round artisans.
Couture is all about the French government protecting an industry they see as a part of their heritage.

Forgive my ignorance, but I always thought that preemies were kept wrapped up snugly in a baby blanket to simulate the comfort of the womb with a little jersey cap. They might benifit from a sling so they can rest while hearing their mothers heartbeat, but do they really need couture?

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When the babies are in isolettes, they are usually just wearing diapers to make the care of them easier, and are kept warm by the heaters in the isolettes. I can't remember if they are fitted with hats and booties at the early stages. But when they are out of the isolettes the main essentials are a hat and booties to keep them warm. When preemies come home, they are still too small for regular infant clothes, and they need something to wear. Imagine being a parent who has struggled for months wondering if the baby would survive. Then the baby comes home and the parents can finally show off their newborn. So, yes there is a place for beautiful clothes for preemies. My sister was a NICU nurse before having to go on disability because of health problems. She started designing the clothes while she was working. She made things like an Orioles uniforms and Santa Clause outfits. She was an awesome nurse and still is. She would never have dressed the babies in inappropriate outfits. And I can tell you that the parents were delighted with the clothes.
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Oh bear, come here and get a PR hug!! You put this so well and it is up to each and everyone of us to say who is our heros and what impact, big or small they have made on our lives. You came forward Sunday night, shared some very tuff feelings about your day in NY on 9/11. You did not have to do that. Then you asked us all for peace for Monday and these boards calmed down. It has been stressful to be out here for the past week, and you brought the peace back and the fun and good cheer followed. For me... and I only speak for me... today you are my PR board hero..You used your pain to bring calm to many of us and you made many stop and think of the blessing we forget we have... and for that, I thank you my board friend.





Haven't had much time online the last few days, but especially Bear's and AI's posts touched me. And I very much agree with you CaLady....I echo the old Robert Heinlein statements from "Stranger in a Strange Land"...forgive me for not recalling it verbatim....heroes come in all types, it is the ailing parent working one more day to provide for the family, the child who takes care of siblings after mom dies, and yes, the everyday people who, as in the 9-11 attacks, tragedy, survived because they had the wherewithal to do so....every story presented by the survivors, every single one I have heard....highlights that the majority of the people who were able to survive did so because another person led them, assisted them, gave them hope, and companionship. Everyday people.
Nuff said, good nite.
Jazzie




This is always a hard week for me but ,from the point that I asked for a little respect for those who paid the ultimate price, through today, everyone, with the rare exception, has made it relatively painless and I thank you all very much. Everyone has been just Aces.

It just makes me appreciate the fact that people really can play nice and give respect when it is given to them.

So I will now say good night and G_d bless.
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it's now September 11th, 2006. 5 years ago I stood on a lower Manhattan street and watched America change forever.So I'm going to ask a simple favor of you all. Please don't be vicious today. On that day 5 years ago thousands of people lost their lives for the simple reason that they went to work. You shouldn't spread venom on this most sacred of days.




Wow, a cheap shot. You've sunk to new lows.
It is a wonderful freedom, to be able to express oneself in any way one chooses, without fear of persecution or retribution.
This isn't a sacred day. It's a day. Something terrible happened on this day 5 years ago and we should never forget that, but only in terms of working toward making sure such a day never happens again. Nothing sacred about the daily struggle to maintain our freedoms and rights as citizens of the greatest country on earth.




And G_d bless you too.



Bear, thank you for your appropriate reminder, and your tactful response to nowvoyager. I must admit my response to her post was much like brillke's, but I restrained myself because I too am getting tired of the constant vitriole on these boards (and didn't want to add to it, even if I came up with an appropriate response that was half as eloquent as brillke's).

My own memory of 9/11 is also personal, but in a somewhat different way. My partner is a flight attendant for United. Fortunately, he was at home on the last day of his vacation rather than in the air that day, but he recognized a couple of the murdered United flight attendants as colleagues he had flown with (though they were not among his close friends). 9/11 also struck home because much of the information that later came out made it appear that the flight attendants were the first persons butchered by the terrorists that day. The first day my partner went back to work after the skies were reopened we were both nervous wrecks. For the last five years, every trip he has worked he has had to deal with countless changes that have changed his job from one he loved to one he simply endures until he can retire.

And yes, he got up this morning at 4:00 a.m. to work a flight, just like he always does. And I was nervous all day until I knew that his flight for the day was back on safe, firm ground.

I've not been on this board much for the past several days because I've been sick and have not had the energy to deal with the negativity. Today, I'm feeling much better, but for a far different reason I did not want to deal with negative energy.

Thank you for being a light on what will always be a dark, sacred day for me, as I'm sure it will always be for my partner and all our friends in the airline industry.




Not all of us are ...oh, wait. I forgot...I am in ignore subject/person mode concerning that area.

It is a hard day to get through, more so if you knew someone who died or, in your case, have reason to worry about the safety of someone you love. We just need to remember the personal lessons from that day...stay close to your family & friends because each day could be your last. There are more important things than silly arguments or petty disagreements.




9-11 is a very hard day for me. i lost friends that day , it tiik me over 8hrs to find my niece n 2 nephews (thank god they got out in time). Its a day to reflect , a day to always tell some one you love them for it might be the last time you see them.I was in the NYC area on vacation n watched the smoke in the sky . i saw people just standing on street corners openly crying as i did. hate is what took the towers down. i didnt watch path to 9-11 n wont, for reasons of not sticking to the facts.
may the heroes of 9-11 rest in peace knowing they were loved.
NYer




I didn't watch the ABC show, because of the inaccuracies. But I did watch the replay of the photographers who were taping one of the fire companies to do a documentary of a brand new fireman. Somehow it meant more because all of the footage was real. I'm not sure I have the courage to watch the new movie, World Trade Center. I don't know anyone who was killed, but we had trouble reaching my cousin. She had just left the Pentagon to work for the Department of Defense, but we didn't know where she was. Immediately following 9/11, she was called back to the Pentagon. She's a bigwig, has the highest rank she can attain at her age and years of service, and reports directly to the Joint Chiefs. She's like a cat with nine lives - has survived 2 major earthquakes, managed to miss being on the island of Bahrain when that incident took place. Oh, and she has been held hostage in war torn countries! Disaster seems to follow her around. Right after she moved to Maryland, the earthquakes started there! Small ones, but makes you wonder.
My condolences to all who lost someone on 9/11.
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Well, folks, the 9/11 5th anniversary is nearly over and the only bombing I saw was the Redskins tonight at Fed/Ex field. On ESPN they had a 15 minute interview with Jamie Foxx where he talked about what a great guy, Dan Snyder's new partner, Tom Cruise, is. (now you know why this is here. Aha!) The Cruise was there but they did not interview him, which was good since I was eating and wanted to keep it down.

I'm a season ticket holder but I was too jittery to get in and then out of that joint. I would have been a wreck. I mean you actually want me to go to a field full of people on 9/11? In Washington D.C.? I think not. Besides how could I get a rare New York strip at Fed/Ex?

G_d bless America and could he please get the Redskins a good offensive scheme? And please pardon my one bit of sarcasm today.




I was so disappointed that the Redskins lost again! This season isn't starting very well. My college team, Syracuse U. has lost twice so far, although respectably. The Patriots pulled off a VERY squeaky win. And of course the Red Sox are so far behind that it is hopeless!(Or course they deserve it, having traded away all of their good players, and giving some of them to the YANKEES!) Oh, well. The only year I rooted for the Yankees was 2001 - they were hte sentimental favorites. But I must be true to my team now, even if they stink!
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I felt I could state unequivocably how I view Jeffrey's boorish behavior BECAUSE I am not a supposed professional fashion judge. The judges are supposedly obligated to give a thoughtful analysis and critique of the designs. Going for the cheap shot as they do far too often diminshes my opinion of their expertise. Catherine Maldinado was especially guilty in her handling of Angela.

Finally, if one does not speak out about the nonsense PR is permitting to continue re: Jeffrey's cruel, sadistic, belittling,
disruptive, intimidating, dry drunk behavior, then PR is left with the misguided opinion that those who watch the show must WANT to see more of this nonsense.

I'd rather they know not everyone appreciates their turning a blind eye to behavior a parent wouldn't tolerate from a 3y.o. in a pre-school sandbox!

Is it sooooooooo wrong to want to see the show improve vs. dying on the vine prematurely because enough viewers become increasingly disgusted. If more Jeffreys are permitted to participate in subsequent seasons, you can bet the behavior will become increasingly vitriolic and which in the extreme could lead to physical violence.

Labelling an individual's behavior for what it is, is NOT being mean or inappropriate. What IS inapproriate is the way the judges profer their supposed professional opinion in an attempt to 'break' a contestant.

Believe me, I am more than familiar with this technique. I majored in music as a college student and some profs went out of their way to belittle students and to 'break' them, for no other reason than they could, while other profs found constructive ways to critique our performances. The profs who found constructive ways to critique us were the ones from whom we learned how to improve as musicians.

In the extreme, I saw students who became so beaten down by the destructive profs, that in one case the student committed suicide after being ripped into one too many times by one particular prof and at least 2 classmates who left the music program and it wasn't because they were not very talented musicians but the joy of creating beautiful music had been taken from them unnecessarilly by 2 profs who seemed determined to make our lives miserable. It is this very negative behavior I see too often in the comments by the PR judges.

The producers DO, IMHO, have an obligation to protect other participants from the likes of Jeffrey and CERTAINLY they had an obligation to protect a woman who was INVITED to be a participant model for the 'Everyday Woman' challenge.

That the producers did not step in and rein Jeffrey in, was inexcusable. When an individual who has not learned how to behave in a social or work situation in a professional manner
it is then the obligation of those in charge to remind them that such behavior is not permited and could be grounds for dismal.

Call me old-fashioned but that is how I feel.




Geez, and I thought it was "Kill or be killed" in school or on the runway, or even *gasp* in real life.




Unfortunately, that type of judging is becoming the norm. I was VERY blessed to have music and theatre teachers who nurtured me. But I do know of schools that are known for the negativity. And look at all of other reality shows. The judges seems to think cruel remarks will make the perons better. Personally I grow much better in a positive environment.
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Hello wl60, D, et al,
I've only been here a few weeks, but one thing I've noticed about posters that turn out to be trolls: They do not introduce themselves to the board when they first start posting. Their first posts seem to fall into two categories; provacatively nasty, or provacatively nice. Sometimes they seem to target other posters to stir up the board. They don't ever seem to come here and say, "hi ya'll, I've been reading your posts and want to join the discussion". I've noticed posters fabricating information to elicit a response, and not necessarily a response from the poster they're quoting or responding to. They hide in the margins, then deliberately post inflammatory opinions, trying to get a rise out of someone, anyone, doesn't matter who, as long as they can get someone going. In fact, I know there's one here now trying to p*ss me off, it ain't gonna work, because I don't talk to people who don't bother to say hello. Oh yeah, D, love the Valium idea! lol
AI




I've only been here a few weeks. The only other place I've posted is on USFSA. I didn't realize that there was a board etiquette that I had to introduce myself first and ask permission to post. I may have been a little vitriolic on the Everyday Woman episode, but I was furious with Jeffrey's behavior. I know that I've toned down since. I also didn't know that I had to read at least 20 pages before I could post. Seems to me that if I have a comment to make on an earlier post that should be OK. I enjoy reading the posts. If the new poster must introduce and aks permission to post, maybe that should be made clear at the very beginning of the posts.
That said, here I am, may I post?



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You are free to post what you want. My post contains my observations and opinions, which I am free to post. My post is in no way a posting guideline. The Bravo Board Boss has "Da Rules". I think you possibly took the "introduction" part of my post too literally. I didn't mean you have to say hi to the board, that's your choice, I meant state your opinions in a civil manner. I was refering to the uncivil posters trying to start flame wars. Some of the posters on this board say hi, some do not. I enjoy reading the posts on this board, and will continue doing so.
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I felt I could state unequivocably how I view Jeffrey's boorish behavior BECAUSE I am not a supposed professional fashion judge. The judges are supposedly obligated to give a thoughtful analysis and critique of the designs. Going for the cheap shot as they do far too often diminshes my opinion of their expertise. Catherine Maldinado was especially guilty in her handling of Angela.

Finally, if one does not speak out about the nonsense PR is permitting to continue re: Jeffrey's cruel, sadistic, belittling,
disruptive, intimidating, dry drunk behavior, then PR is left with the misguided opinion that those who watch the show must WANT to see more of this nonsense.

I'd rather they know not everyone appreciates their turning a blind eye to behavior a parent wouldn't tolerate from a 3y.o. in a pre-school sandbox!

Is it sooooooooo wrong to want to see the show improve vs. dying on the vine prematurely because enough viewers become increasingly disgusted. If more Jeffreys are permitted to participate in subsequent seasons, you can bet the behavior will become increasingly vitriolic and which in the extreme could lead to physical violence.

Labelling an individual's behavior for what it is, is NOT being mean or inappropriate. What IS inapproriate is the way the judges profer their supposed professional opinion in an attempt to 'break' a contestant.

Believe me, I am more than familiar with this technique. I majored in music as a college student and some profs went out of their way to belittle students and to 'break' them, for no other reason than they could, while other profs found constructive ways to critique our performances. The profs who found constructive ways to critique us were the ones from whom we learned how to improve as musicians.

In the extreme, I saw students who became so beaten down by the destructive profs, that in one case the student committed suicide after being ripped into one too many times by one particular prof and at least 2 classmates who left the music program and it wasn't because they were not very talented musicians but the joy of creating beautiful music had been taken from them unnecessarilly by 2 profs who seemed determined to make our lives miserable. It is this very negative behavior I see too often in the comments by the PR judges.

The producers DO, IMHO, have an obligation to protect other participants from the likes of Jeffrey and CERTAINLY they had an obligation to protect a woman who was INVITED to be a participant model for the 'Everyday Woman' challenge.

That the producers did not step in and rein Jeffrey in, was inexcusable. When an individual who has not learned how to behave in a social or work situation in a professional manner
it is then the obligation of those in charge to remind them that such behavior is not permited and could be grounds for dismal.

Call me old-fashioned but that is how I feel.




I am intrigued by your post and I do agree with a lot of it and disagree with a lot but I think it's great that you can express it so well without reverting to snarkiness. It's refreshing.




I can't say I agree with pretty much anything in this original post. Malandrino thought Angela's design was hideous, as did most people with eyes; she expressed herself in kind. And, hey, you have to give her credit for tolerating Vincent, who did as much pawing and puckering on that boat as any human being possibly can (because he thought his dress was smokin'? think not). As far as this post's criticism of Jeffery, or anyone else's, I'm not sure what you want to see. You want talented designers, or just nice people? Should everyone pass a "how-nice-are-you" test before coming on TV? I left the corporate world in America because I couldn't stand it; I had a choice to accept how things are and how people are; throw it down or lay it down. The fact is people do their jobs well, and they're jerks at the same time. Fine. It's take it or leave it. Jeffery's not the first shemp on reality TV, won't be the last. Think MK, or Vera Wang, or Donatella is a picnic and champagne to work for? I just don't get people saying, This is a bad person or someone I wouldn't like, so they shouldn't succeed.

Lastly, the "conservatory" comparison doesn't hold up. The job of a teacher isn't to tell anyone and everyone they're the best actor they've ever seen or best musician they've ever heard. I was an acting student, and after a year dropped it, at my teacher's advice, to pursue writing, in which she encouraged me. Getting "beaten down" goes with the territory; I have friends graduated from Yale Drama who still haven't worked after 10 years. This argument kind of reminds me of every teenager who's had a broken heart, scribbles some stuff on paper, and suddenly thinks they're a poet. I don't mean to be harsh or make light of someone else's feelings, but good god! In the end there's good, better, and best. If you don't make first chair or don't get the part in the play, you keep working, and that's all there is to it.
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I've only been here a few weeks, but one thing I've noticed about posters that turn out to be trolls: They do not introduce themselves to the board when they first start posting. Their first posts seem to fall into two categories; provacatively nasty, or provacatively nice. Sometimes they seem to target other posters to stir up the board. They don't ever seem to come here and say, "hi ya'll, I've been reading your posts and want to join the discussion". I've noticed posters fabricating information to elicit a response, and not necessarily a response from the poster they're quoting or responding to. They hide in the margins, then deliberately post inflammatory opinions, trying to get a rise out of someone, anyone, doesn't matter who, as long as they can get someone going. In fact, I know there's one here now trying to p*ss me off, it ain't gonna work, because I don't talk to people who don't bother to say hello. Oh yeah, D, love the Valium idea! lol
AI




I've only been here a few weeks. The only other place I've posted is on USFSA. I didn't realize that there was a board etiquette that I had to introduce myself first and ask permission to post. I may have been a little vitriolic on the Everyday Woman episode, but I was furious with Jeffrey's behavior. I know that I've toned down since. I also didn't know that I had to read at least 20 pages before I could post. Seems to me that if I have a comment to make on an earlier post that should be OK. I enjoy reading the posts. If the new poster must introduce and aks permission to post, maybe that should be made clear at the very beginning of the posts.
That said, here I am, may I post?





Ben,
You dont need permission to post, dont have to read 20 pages before posting and yes, you can bring up subjucts already discussed and put to bed.

We have a few who only seem to post to flame. Also a few who only post to [expletive deleted] about OT, despite they themselves never post on topic. Go figure.

Sometimes, been guilty of this myself, we reply to something that causes tension and has already been cleared up. When you do that, things tend to flare up again.

The trolls will never go away. Its all part of the internet. Some are easy to deal with, others sink their claws in. We are human and at times we respond in kind.

Nobody is forced to read any post. If someone chooses to scroll by for whatever reason, its their call.

We did suggest rules and they were not mandatory but it seemed to ruffle a couple of feathers as well. Oh well, cant please em all.

Post,state your opinions,go OT, have fun.

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it's now September 11th, 2006. 5 years ago I stood on a lower Manhattan street and watched America change forever.So I'm going to ask a simple favor of you all. Please don't be vicious today. On that day 5 years ago thousands of people lost their lives for the simple reason that they went to work. You shouldn't spread venom on this most sacred of days.




Wow, a cheap shot. You've sunk to new lows.
It is a wonderful freedom, to be able to express oneself in any way one chooses, without fear of persecution or retribution.
This isn't a sacred day. It's a day. Something terrible happened on this day 5 years ago and we should never forget that, but only in terms of working toward making sure such a day never happens again. Nothing sacred about the daily struggle to maintain our freedoms and rights as citizens of the greatest country on earth.




And G_d bless you too.



Bear, thank you for your appropriate reminder, and your tactful response to nowvoyager. I must admit my response to her post was much like brillke's, but I restrained myself because I too am getting tired of the constant vitriole on these boards (and didn't want to add to it, even if I came up with an appropriate response that was half as eloquent as brillke's).

My own memory of 9/11 is also personal, but in a somewhat different way. My partner is a flight attendant for United. Fortunately, he was at home on the last day of his vacation rather than in the air that day, but he recognized a couple of the murdered United flight attendants as colleagues he had flown with (though they were not among his close friends). 9/11 also struck home because much of the information that later came out made it appear that the flight attendants were the first persons butchered by the terrorists that day. The first day my partner went back to work after the skies were reopened we were both nervous wrecks. For the last five years, every trip he has worked he has had to deal with countless changes that have changed his job from one he loved to one he simply endures until he can retire.

And yes, he got up this morning at 4:00 a.m. to work a flight, just like he always does. And I was nervous all day until I knew that his flight for the day was back on safe, firm ground.

I've not been on this board much for the past several days because I've been sick and have not had the energy to deal with the negativity. Today, I'm feeling much better, but for a far different reason I did not want to deal with negative energy.

Thank you for being a light on what will always be a dark, sacred day for me, as I'm sure it will always be for my partner and all our friends in the airline industry.




Not all of us are ...oh, wait. I forgot...I am in ignore subject/person mode concerning that area.

It is a hard day to get through, more so if you knew someone who died or, in your case, have reason to worry about the safety of someone you love. We just need to remember the personal lessons from that day...stay close to your family & friends because each day could be your last. There are more important things than silly arguments or petty disagreements.




9-11 is a very hard day for me. i lost friends that day , it tiik me over 8hrs to find my niece n 2 nephews (thank god they got out in time). Its a day to reflect , a day to always tell some one you love them for it might be the last time you see them.I was in the NYC area on vacation n watched the smoke in the sky . i saw people just standing on street corners openly crying as i did. hate is what took the towers down. i didnt watch path to 9-11 n wont, for reasons of not sticking to the facts.
may the heroes of 9-11 rest in peace knowing they were loved.
NYer




I didn't watch the ABC show, because of the inaccuracies. But I did watch the replay of the photographers who were taping one of the fire companies to do a documentary of a brand new fireman. Somehow it meant more because all of the footage was real. I'm not sure I have the courage to watch the new movie, World Trade Center. I don't know anyone who was killed, but we had trouble reaching my cousin. She had just left the Pentagon to work for the Department of Defense, but we didn't know where she was. Immediately following 9/11, she was called back to the Pentagon. She's a bigwig, has the highest rank she can attain at her age and years of service, and reports directly to the Joint Chiefs. She's like a cat with nine lives - has survived 2 major earthquakes, managed to miss being on the island of Bahrain when that incident took place. Oh, and she has been held hostage in war torn countries! Disaster seems to follow her around. Right after she moved to Maryland, the earthquakes started there! Small ones, but makes you wonder.
My condolences to all who lost someone on 9/11.




I've come to like and respect a lot of people on this board, and though it's a little late, I'd just like to extend my thoughts, best wishes, and condolences to any of you personally and emotionally affected by this fifth anniversary. I lost one of my best friends in the Second Tower, and so was involved with a memorial for him and his colleagues, and didn't get a chance to check in on the boards here. One can only hope this day will take on more resonance after all of this disgraceful politicization has ceased, and it's separated from fear and the day's news, and we all finally have a chance to celebrate life as heroes have lived it, instead of being forced to think about how this hole in the ground that so many died for is being expanded day by day through exploitation, manipulation, and dismissal.
ArtInstigator
Spearshaker,
I'm so sorry for your loss.
blessings,
AI
loozianagal
Good Morning,

Thank you for the site info, very interesting. He is some piece of work, of course it was all the editing he's not really a nut, yeah right!

Anyway, tonight, tonight! Oh, the anticipation .

This season I have become such a PR junkie.
quiltmuse
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I was so disappointed that the Redskins lost again! This season isn't starting very well. My college team, Syracuse U. has lost twice so far, although respectably. The Patriots pulled off a VERY squeaky win. And of course the Red Sox are so far behind that it is hopeless!(Or course they deserve it, having traded away all of their good players, and giving some of them to the YANKEES!) Oh, well. The only year I rooted for the Yankees was 2001 - they were hte sentimental favorites. But I must be true to my team now, even if they stink!




The Red Sox management didn't exactly GIVE some of their best players to the Yankees -- I believe that Damon was a free agent and chose the best deal he could find. The Yankees have lost some good players that way as well. OTOH A lot of the best Yankee players have been there for their whole careers -- Bernie Williams and Derek Jeeter come to mind.

A number of good young players from the Yankee farm system have been brought up this season as well.

That said, I do think that the salaries paid to many professional athletes are ridiculous even if they are stars. And the teams that have the deep pockets to offer such unreal payment do manage to obtain a lot of the best talent. The trick is not to have a lot of stars but to have good players that mesh to form a working unit and the Yankees seem to have found the formula for that. Even when so many of their best starters went on the disabled list they managed to hold on and then to pull way ahead when the Red Sox fell prey to the same problem.

I've rooted for plenty of losing teams in my time -- I went to an Ivy League college that was routinely whomped by Syracuse and Navy and didn't always fare well against the other Ivy League teams but I still rooted for them. So those of you who have teams that aren't doing so well, remember the PR saying, 'One day you're in and the next you're out' --only in reverse...
cleeg
Hi Carole,

My grandmother and aunt still live there in Hobbs. Small town close to the TX border and we like to joke that Hobbs is 100 miles from everywhere! LOL Had a good friend based at Canon and we got to see each other one trip we made to Hobbs.

CLee
cleeg
Take the Holy Handgrenade....



CLee
SisterZip73
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Hello wl60, D, et al,
I've only been here a few weeks, but one thing I've noticed about posters that turn out to be trolls: They do not introduce themselves to the board when they first start posting. Their first posts seem to fall into two categories; provacatively nasty, or provacatively nice. Sometimes they seem to target other posters to stir up the board. They don't ever seem to come here and say, "hi ya'll, I've been reading your posts and want to join the discussion". I've noticed posters fabricating information to elicit a response, and not necessarily a response from the poster they're quoting or responding to. They hide in the margins, then deliberately post inflammatory opinions, trying to get a rise out of someone, anyone, doesn't matter who, as long as they can get someone going. In fact, I know there's one here now trying to p*ss me off, it ain't gonna work, because I don't talk to people who don't bother to say hello. Oh yeah, D, love the Valium idea! lol
AI




I've only been here a few weeks. The only other place I've posted is on USFSA. I didn't realize that there was a board etiquette that I had to introduce myself first and ask permission to post. I may have been a little vitriolic on the Everyday Woman episode, but I was furious with Jeffrey's behavior. I know that I've toned down since. I also didn't know that I had to read at least 20 pages before I could post. Seems to me that if I have a comment to make on an earlier post that should be OK. I enjoy reading the posts. If the new poster must introduce and aks permission to post, maybe that should be made clear at the very beginning of the posts.
That said, here I am, may I post?




You don't have to ask for permission. But it is nice to have a bit of an introduction before you jump into the pool.

Your posts have been been fine so far...in posting it is so easy to be mistaken or misiterpreted in what is trying to be said. There are some very nice people here; some have been hit by flamers and when someone new comes in with guns ablazing, we sometimes get a bit gun-shy.
cleeg
AI - "I'm glad you were born" - what a neat thing to tell people on their birthday!! At first folks might take it as a smartass comment - but it isn't , it says so much in that one little sentence!

CLee
cleeg
DCBen1 - Our son was about 6-7 weeks premature. My grandmother had, by accident, picked up a "onesie" type outfit in preemie size and it was the only thing that fit him for almost 2 months! Thankfully he was born in June and we were in FL at the time, so we didn't have to worry about having warm clothes to take him to the doctor's or anything. I would love to see pics of your sister's clothes if she has any! cleedesigns@gmail.com

CLee
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You know all the extra tomatos that every backyard gardener is frantically trying to give away before they rot this time of year? Put them into a Pyrex bowl and pour boiling water over them. Remove the skin, seeds, and any hard or greenish parts. Take the pulp and toss into a pan and pretty much boil it down to a stew consistancy and season to taste.. or use in a recipe like this one..
GREEN BEAN CASSEROLE
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16 oz cooked or canned green beans, drained (mushy)
16 oz fresh made or canned stewed tomatos
1/4 teaspoon basil - Fresh!
pepper -- to taste
3 Tablespoons dry bread crumbs
2 teaspoons butter

PREPARATION:
In a 1 1/2-quart casserole, mix green beans with stewed tomatoes, pepper, and basil. Sprinkle with bread crumbs and dot with butter. Bake in a preheated 425 degree oven for 25 minutes, or until hot and bubbly.
Serve in the salad dish instead of a 'cold' salad.

It's barely 50 degrees here in MA! Cold! Tomorrow maybe 70.

notevayas




Thanks for the recipe, notevayas, I will try that this weekend. I make my green beans by
frying some bacon pieces and then slice some onions up and cook them in the bacon fat. Add the green beans and stewed tomatoes and a little sugar.
C



The onions (cooked in butter) and adding a bit of sugar will improve the recipe! Thank you! I don't have bacon in the house anymore, and I limit the butter, so I will omit the bread crumb topping. I am always looking for new ways to incorporate tomatos and veggies into the menu without it being too obvious. Varying the colors, temperatures and textures helps, because my guy is not interested in trying new foods at all!
notevayas
Yeah! It's almost apple picking time!
notevayas
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The talent isn't in the ability to sew, but in the designs. My sister has that talent, but has only used it in infant clothes. She created designs for preemie clothes long before Mother Care did it. Each outfit was an original, and amazing. Unfortunately, once Mother Care came up with ready made, my sister couldn't make enough to keep her business going. Anyone for couture preemie outfits?



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Couture is all about the French government protecting an industry they see as a part of their heritage.

Forgive my ignorance, but I always thought that preemies were kept wrapped up snugly in a baby blanket to simulate the comfort of the womb with a little jersey cap. They might benifit from a sling so they can rest while hearing their mothers heartbeat, but do they really need couture?

notevayas



***CORRECTION***
I re-read the post on TWOP and a couture house in France is only required to employ 15 full time artisans. They have to create 35 couture garments a year and show twice a year, both day and evening wear..
He also says that "Prada, Versace, Balenciaga, Pucci, Gucci, and many other world famous names present at Ready to Wear shows like Olympus Fashion Week, but don't do haute couture lines even though they do some couture-like work. And Commes des Garcons and Vivienne Westwood do only ready to wear, but are as "out there" as anyone in haute couture."
Unlike me, this poster really seems to know fashion..

notevayas





I didn't mean any offense by my bit on preemies. Maybe it is different here in a colder climate. And maybe some parents who are understandably stressed are happy to dress a preemie in cute costumes. And if it helps them bond, that is only good.
notevayas
loozianagal
Hi,
My hubby and I are Saints fans much to the amusement of our friends and family. Talk about keeping the faith we are actually season ticket holders even though we our about five hours north of New Orleans. Our hearts broke to see the devastation the hurricanes brought to that beloved city and the people who make it great , but they are rebuilding and the Saints will return to the Super Dome this month and all us Saints fans are beginning the season as we always begin with belief that this is our year. Go Saints!!
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