dcben1
September 16, 2006 - 09:07 PM
Here's a link to the Getty images page where you can find the photos of the collections:
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/se...&e=0&pg=1&am=-1
Just took a trip to the website. Thanks for the info. I have to say that I'm not really blown away by any of the four. I expected to be wowed by Michael, but I wasn't. Although he did have some really nice designs, as they all did. I guess I don't care now who wins, except that I'd hate for Jeffrey to win. Let's see, Jay(from what I can tell) is rather strange and he won. Chloe was nice and straightforward and mature, and I loved her designs. Guess it's time for the strange, bizarre winner again. So maybe next season we can concentrate on fashion and hope that the good guy or gal wins!
Your hypocracy is amazing.
This is you: "I want this show to be about fashion and not about 'personality'................But I don't want Jeffrey to win because I don't like his personality"
*double take*
Wh-wh-wha?
Yes, I don't like Jeffrey, and I also don't like his style. Last year I felt that Chloe was chosen because she had the maturity to handle it, unlike Jay. All I've seen of him has been whining. And where has he gone in 2 years? I'd rather see someone levelheaded, and someone who can market to a wider clientele than Jeffrey. I have to admit that I was surprised by his collection - that there were actually wearable clothes in there. Before the Everyday Women episode, I didn't care one way or the other. I even expressed my opinion that he should have won the recycling challenge. But his refusal to even work with Denise, to call her names, and laughing about designing a terrible outfit but still getting through are among the reasons I don't want him to win. However, from the press he is getting, it seems he might win. I guess if the next great designer is a punk rocker who designs for a limited audience then so be it. So yes part of my reason for not wanting him to win is personal, but I also don't think he has the fashion chops. Hence, I don't think I'm that hypocritical.
bradg1989
September 16, 2006 - 09:19 PM
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Here's a link to the Getty images page where you can find the photos of the collections:
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/se...&e=0&pg=1&am=-1
Just took a trip to the website. Thanks for the info. I have to say that I'm not really blown away by any of the four. I expected to be wowed by Michael, but I wasn't. Although he did have some really nice designs, as they all did. I guess I don't care now who wins, except that I'd hate for Jeffrey to win. Let's see, Jay(from what I can tell) is rather strange and he won. Chloe was nice and straightforward and mature, and I loved her designs. Guess it's time for the strange, bizarre winner again. So maybe next season we can concentrate on fashion and hope that the good guy or gal wins!
Your hypocracy is amazing.
This is you: "I want this show to be about fashion and not about 'personality'................But I don't want Jeffrey to win because I don't like his personality"
*double take*
Wh-wh-wha?
Yes, I don't like Jeffrey, and I also don't like his style. Last year I felt that Chloe was chosen because she had the maturity to handle it, unlike Jay. All I've seen of him has been whining. And where has he gone in 2 years? I'd rather see someone levelheaded, and someone who can market to a wider clientele than Jeffrey. I have to admit that I was surprised by his collection - that there were actually wearable clothes in there. Before the Everyday Women episode, I didn't care one way or the other. I even expressed my opinion that he should have won the recycling challenge. But his refusal to even work with Denise, to call her names, and laughing about designing a terrible outfit but still getting through are among the reasons I don't want him to win. However, from the press he is getting, it seems he might win. I guess if the next great designer is a punk rocker who designs for a limited audience then so be it. So yes part of my reason for not wanting him to win is personal, but I also don't think he has the fashion chops. Hence, I don't think I'm that hypocritical.
Another person willing to judge a person for witnessing probably less than 5 solid hours of footage of one person.
Holding a grudge against someone for treating another person with hostility.
How bout you just watch the next season on mute then?
And next time you have a thought, just let it go.
Boomette
September 16, 2006 - 09:59 PM
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Good Morning All. Some random thoughts...
I think that Laura is extremely talented. And only she and Michael have really showed their full range (of skills).
Has Uli even made a pair of pants? In the INC group challenge Bradley made the pants for their team, No? Her flowey print dress is becoming her "Miami Vice" - I hope she can show something more!
I would love to see something other than "edgy and young" Rocker Chic from him. Can he do something actually wearable by an average woman (not Darlene)??
My top three...Laura, Michael and Jeffrey...and the winner is...Michael!!!
OT - I saw Jill Stuart's Spring 2007 collection on "Style" network - OMG! Many of the dresses looked like a cross between a baby-doll dress and a hospital gown. Yikes!
Also OT - I am rethinking the "Aged Mother" thing today - both the boys (4 year old twins) have colds! Pass the tissues please!
Hi -
Laura IS very talented. I hope she does actually have a bit MORE range, and can do something softer and a little more playful than she's shown.
Hands down, Michael is the most versatile, and absolutely deserves to win.
Uli DID make a very nice pair of slacks to go with her top on the Everyday Woman challenge. I question her ability to to real tailoring, since most of her clothes aren't very structured. But she works well and is disciplined - what she doesn't know, she'd be willing to learn.
Jeffrey can't do anything BUT Rocker Chic. Talk about no range! Can't believe you picked him over Uli!
pacey988
September 16, 2006 - 10:04 PM
This is the first time in quite a while that I have posted. I have gone through so much emotionally. It has been a painful chapter in my life having to deal with what I am dealing with right now. I cannot tell anyone that I am here talking to you right now because my dad and grandmother will easily confuse this message board for Myspace, which despite everything, despite the fact that some of the designers have pages on that website, and despite the fact that I am friends with the designers, I am departing. My heart and mind have been in overdrive. I may have told some of you what has happened. I know this is old news, but I was very disappointed to see Vincent leave. Some of you may not agree, and I'm not trying to start an argument here but that is just my opinion. I gave him all the support I could. I still admire him as a designer and I still believe that he has the potential to do great things. Also, even though I did not see this week's show, I am sorry to hear that Kayne left. Yet I have had a personal conflict with Vincent, and with Jeffrey as well. I knew them, or at least I thought I did, because now I am completely doubting their authenticity in terms of whether or not it is really them. My parents do not believe it is them, and somehow I just don't know anymore. If it were, if I knew them, and if for any reason I did not know them on Myspace and I was told for any reason or another that I could not talk to them anymore, then it would hurt me deeply. Yet I understand where my parents are coming from. However, despite the fact that I knew Vincent and Jeffrey and supposedly struck up a friendship with them, I admit I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I saw things that they did and said that I did not agree with. I did not know whether or not to be honest with them or to hold it all back. I even told Katherine how I felt and asked her advice. I feel like the whole Myspace thing was a major miscalculation. It was an overzealous attempt to make contact with people who I may have otherwise not have been able to attain their friendship in reality. I have been on the internet for six years, doing business with people, and talking to people. I have seen my share of people I find suspicious or just weird. I have found my share of angels, devils and zealots. I have found my share of fake people who do their best to boost their own self esteem and do whatever they can do to humiliate people because they have more confidence in themselves than in others. I have seen my share of greedy, dirty people. I wonder why I haven't been destroyed.
The second biggest thing that is just upsetting me right now and has caused me more pain than anyone can handle is something that I am sure you have all gone through at one time or another, and that is divorce. I feel like I can no longer trust or love my own father because he is seeing another woman. Even more, he is doing this and lying about it. He did something to hurt my sister tonight. He went with the woman to my sister's boyfriend's FEMA trailer. I have seen my doctor about everything. I told him every single thing that was on my mind and I still don't feel happy. I want to change my life. I want to go to college, I want to do a job I enjoy. I want to go see concerts and sporting events. Yet if my dad is going to do this to me and my sister, then I cannot trust him. I do not want to be a part of someone else's life. I love my mother too much to let her down like that. My dad left behind a family. He threw it all away. Yet, my grandmother wants me to forgive him and accept him for who he is. How can I do that? How can I accept a man who destroyed a family and almost sent me over the edge? I just don't want to get into the particulars of it all, but that is the situation. I feel enormous pressure to change ever since I saw my doctor this week. I am feeling pressure from my dad and from my grandmother to change my sleeping habits. I know I needed help on that but I am not one to adapt to change easily. I felt like they wanted me to change at the snap of a finger. I can't do a complete 180 and change into someone else. That's not how it works. There's no such thing as a quick change. Now this is not some excuse but this is the way it is. Even more so, my dad acted inappropriately in my eyes. He didn't just merely reinforce what the doctor was trying to say, he acted as if he was a drill sergeant hammering the points home or a chairman of the board talking in a stern manner to people gathered in a conference room about how to repair a bankrupt Fortune 500 company. I went out to the movies tonight, I went and saw "The Black Dahlia" and on the way there I was just tense, I was worried that my Ipod battery would go out before we got to the theater. It didn't help that my uncle chose to take the scenic route to the theater. I had to ride with like 9 people including my baby niece and nephew who constantly make noise and such to the point where it drives my aunt and uncle nuts. All this after I went out with my sister and my dad to the mall and to lunch. I was very tired, I had a splitting headache last night and got absolutely no sleep at all. I felt nothing but pressure. Even when I got home and said to my grandmother I was tired, she was like "you can't be, you have to fight it" and I'm like "what do you want me to be, Superman? Do you want me to save the world or something?" In my mind and in my heart there was so much rage and anger and bitterness and sadness. If only I had another life. This is all I have to say, I'm literally trying not to cry as I write this, and I am so sorry if I am off topic, but I just, I need someone. I need more help than I should have gotten.
nowvoyager
September 16, 2006 - 10:40 PM
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Garsh, just like you and your weasel friends did to me, huh? Y'all pounced on me for posts I had not directed to any of you, and for content that had nothing to do with any of you. How do YOU spell "hypocrite"? Right now, it's D-A-M-S-E-L-F-L-Y.
sigh. I think you are wrong to say this of Damselfly, she is very nice, as are you To change the subject, your name intrigues me, are you, like me, a Bette Davis nut? I love all of her movies and think she is the most divine star of all.
Nah, I'm not wrong. :> Those weasels were bored with each other and decided to gang up on me when I first started posting a couple of threads ago. Each one of them has spent time posting about how it's such bad taste to do this or do that, while they do exactly this or that.
As to my user name, the movie is one I especially love. I'm not a big fan of Bette Davis, although I think she's very unique in that she's truly unattractive but had such great star power that she was continuously cast in femme fatale (literally, sometimes!) roles. After watching the movie for the 5th or 6th time, I realized that the title comes from a very short piece by Walt Whitman. As someone who lives the nomadic life, the poem is kind of an anthem for me. "The untold want/ by life and land ne'er granted/ now, Voyager/ sail thou forth to seek and find" And it's such a perfect theme for the movie. Not only that, but just imagine the breadth and depth of feeling to create a story out of a few lines.
nowvoyager
September 16, 2006 - 10:44 PM
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Hey brad...friend of brilke and the bunch here...I know that's one strike against me but please read on...
I think the reason you were so quickly pounced on was because you took a swipe at someone who wasn't posting to you. Imagine standing in a room were you overheard a conversation from the other side of it and you didn't like what you heard so you mumbled loued enough for them to hear "I swear to god if i was in a "quilting circle" or something, this is what i'd expect to hear. I'll be back in a bit i'm off to fetch a gun and a bullet."Jeffrey" enough for you?". In return one of the women turns her head and says "Huh?" because she doesn't understand what you meant and would like an explaination before proceeding, rightfully so you think? So you walk over to her a say "I was making fun of her for describing the attributes of being 40 (in a good amount of detail) with hints of nostalgia (over the internet). I guess I'm saying I'm glad I'm not old yet." My question to you is: If you were standing in a room with her and this went down how would you expect this to progress? Especailly if the woman who questioned you was of a similar age range as the woman you insulted?
Garsh, just like you and your weasel friends did to me, huh? Y'all pounced on me for posts I had not directed to any of you, and for content that had nothing to do with any of you. How do YOU spell "hypocrite"? Right now, it's D-A-M-S-E-L-F-L-Y.
"go away little girl. you bother me..."
I bother you? Golly gee willikers Mr. Scientist, I thought I was on ignore. HAH!
I'll post whenever and to whomever I wish, thank you very much. As long as you post on this message board, I will respond if it is my wish to do so.
tamarinden
September 16, 2006 - 10:59 PM
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Here's a link to the Getty images page where you can find the photos of the collections:
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/se...&e=0&pg=1&am=-1
Just took a trip to the website. Thanks for the info. I have to say that I'm not really blown away by any of the four. I expected to be wowed by Michael, but I wasn't. Although he did have some really nice designs, as they all did. I guess I don't care now who wins, except that I'd hate for Jeffrey to win. Let's see, Jay(from what I can tell) is rather strange and he won. Chloe was nice and straightforward and mature, and I loved her designs. Guess it's time for the strange, bizarre winner again. So maybe next season we can concentrate on fashion and hope that the good guy or gal wins!
Your hypocracy is amazing.
This is you: "I want this show to be about fashion and not about 'personality'................But I don't want Jeffrey to win because I don't like his personality"
*double take*
Wh-wh-wha?
Yes, I don't like Jeffrey, and I also don't like his style. Last year I felt that Chloe was chosen because she had the maturity to handle it, unlike Jay. All I've seen of him has been whining. And where has he gone in 2 years? I'd rather see someone levelheaded, and someone who can market to a wider clientele than Jeffrey. I have to admit that I was surprised by his collection - that there were actually wearable clothes in there. Before the Everyday Women episode, I didn't care one way or the other. I even expressed my opinion that he should have won the recycling challenge. But his refusal to even work with Denise, to call her names, and laughing about designing a terrible outfit but still getting through are among the reasons I don't want him to win. However, from the press he is getting, it seems he might win. I guess if the next great designer is a punk rocker who designs for a limited audience then so be it. So yes part of my reason for not wanting him to win is personal, but I also don't think he has the fashion chops. Hence, I don't think I'm that hypocritical.
Another person willing to judge a person for witnessing probably less than 5 solid hours of footage of one person.
Holding a grudge against someone for treating another person with hostility.
How bout you just watch the next season on mute then?
And next time you have a thought, just let it go.
Brad his explanation was thoughtful, and really considering the hostility of the question, I am surprised he felt any need to explain himself or his non-support of Jeffrey.
I am honest enough to admit that I liked Jeffrey's final collection (wasn't my favorite but I did like it) but he is still my least favorite person EVER on Project Runway.
I like to think of it this way, with less than 5 hours of footage, he is such a crude person that he was able to fit in dozens of expletives and to insult everyone within earshot a few dozen times also. Jeffrey managed to wish a heart attack upon Laura, call Angela's mother a stupid [expletive deleted], insult Angela in at least 50 ways (including the infamous "feminazi" comment), say in one breath "who cares if Kane loses?" and then pretend it mattered when Kane actually DID lose. Jeffrey managed to disparage Michael, and said at least a dozen times he was the only designer that mattered.
Does this mean that he is indeed as mean and horrible as he pretended? Probably not. He may in fact be a good person, but the side he chose to consistently show turned a lot of us off, and we don't like him. Add to this his aesthetic, (he really should have lost the last challenge, and Kayne should be still with us, not Jeffrey)... and voila.
If he wins, his collection will have merited a win, but I have no interest in Jeffrey based upon the image he has chosen to project.
So you like Jeffrey, how nice for you. We can all respect that, I hope you can respect us in return. Please don't bring any Jeffrey attitude because it doesn't WORK in the real world.
nowvoyager
September 16, 2006 - 11:00 PM
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This is the first time in quite a while that I have posted. I have gone through so much emotionally. It has been a painful chapter in my life having to deal with what I am dealing with right now. I cannot tell anyone that I am here talking to you right now because my dad and grandmother will easily confuse this message board for Myspace, which despite everything, despite the fact that some of the designers have pages on that website, and despite the fact that I am friends with the designers, I am departing. My heart and mind have been in overdrive. I may have told some of you what has happened. I know this is old news, but I was very disappointed to see Vincent leave. Some of you may not agree, and I'm not trying to start an argument here but that is just my opinion. I gave him all the support I could. I still admire him as a designer and I still believe that he has the potential to do great things. Also, even though I did not see this week's show, I am sorry to hear that Kayne left. Yet I have had a personal conflict with Vincent, and with Jeffrey as well. I knew them, or at least I thought I did, because now I am completely doubting their authenticity in terms of whether or not it is really them. My parents do not believe it is them, and somehow I just don't know anymore. If it were, if I knew them, and if for any reason I did not know them on Myspace and I was told for any reason or another that I could not talk to them anymore, then it would hurt me deeply. Yet I understand where my parents are coming from. However, despite the fact that I knew Vincent and Jeffrey and supposedly struck up a friendship with them, I admit I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I saw things that they did and said that I did not agree with. I did not know whether or not to be honest with them or to hold it all back. I even told Katherine how I felt and asked her advice. I feel like the whole Myspace thing was a major miscalculation. It was an overzealous attempt to make contact with people who I may have otherwise not have been able to attain their friendship in reality. I have been on the internet for six years, doing business with people, and talking to people. I have seen my share of people I find suspicious or just weird. I have found my share of angels, devils and zealots. I have found my share of fake people who do their best to boost their own self esteem and do whatever they can do to humiliate people because they have more confidence in themselves than in others. I have seen my share of greedy, dirty people. I wonder why I haven't been destroyed.
The second biggest thing that is just upsetting me right now and has caused me more pain than anyone can handle is something that I am sure you have all gone through at one time or another, and that is divorce. I feel like I can no longer trust or love my own father because he is seeing another woman. Even more, he is doing this and lying about it. He did something to hurt my sister tonight. He went with the woman to my sister's boyfriend's FEMA trailer. I have seen my doctor about everything. I told him every single thing that was on my mind and I still don't feel happy. I want to change my life. I want to go to college, I want to do a job I enjoy. I want to go see concerts and sporting events. Yet if my dad is going to do this to me and my sister, then I cannot trust him. I do not want to be a part of someone else's life. I love my mother too much to let her down like that. My dad left behind a family. He threw it all away. Yet, my grandmother wants me to forgive him and accept him for who he is. How can I do that? How can I accept a man who destroyed a family and almost sent me over the edge? I just don't want to get into the particulars of it all, but that is the situation. I feel enormous pressure to change ever since I saw my doctor this week. I am feeling pressure from my dad and from my grandmother to change my sleeping habits. I know I needed help on that but I am not one to adapt to change easily. I felt like they wanted me to change at the snap of a finger. I can't do a complete 180 and change into someone else. That's not how it works. There's no such thing as a quick change. Now this is not some excuse but this is the way it is. Even more so, my dad acted inappropriately in my eyes. He didn't just merely reinforce what the doctor was trying to say, he acted as if he was a drill sergeant hammering the points home or a chairman of the board talking in a stern manner to people gathered in a conference room about how to repair a bankrupt Fortune 500 company. I went out to the movies tonight, I went and saw "The Black Dahlia" and on the way there I was just tense, I was worried that my Ipod battery would go out before we got to the theater. It didn't help that my uncle chose to take the scenic route to the theater. I had to ride with like 9 people including my baby niece and nephew who constantly make noise and such to the point where it drives my aunt and uncle nuts. All this after I went out with my sister and my dad to the mall and to lunch. I was very tired, I had a splitting headache last night and got absolutely no sleep at all. I felt nothing but pressure. Even when I got home and said to my grandmother I was tired, she was like "you can't be, you have to fight it" and I'm like "what do you want me to be, Superman? Do you want me to save the world or something?" In my mind and in my heart there was so much rage and anger and bitterness and sadness. If only I had another life. This is all I have to say, I'm literally trying not to cry as I write this, and I am so sorry if I am off topic, but I just, I need someone. I need more help than I should have gotten.
Call a crisis hotline, even a suicide hotline, and call right now. You need to speak to someone in an appropriate and safe environment, and the person you speak with can refer you to a professional who may be able to help you. Look in the phone book for the number(s) and call.
Some of the toughest things to learn how to do are forgive, accept, and let go. What many people don't realize is that unless and until you are in a safe and healthy place in your mind and heart, you can't and shouldn't be thinking about forgiving another person. Your first priority should be you right now.
I won't even suggest that you talk to your dad about your feelings, because that implies that somehow you are in control of the situation and you'r enot. You didn't cause it and you're not in charge of your parents. Your dad should be man enough to be talking to YOU about why he does what he does, and asking YOU how he can heal the wounds he has caused. Not the other way around.
Good luck and I hope you find the help you need.
bradg1989
September 16, 2006 - 11:01 PM
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This is the first time in quite a while that I have posted. I have gone through so much emotionally. It has been a painful chapter in my life having to deal with what I am dealing with right now. I cannot tell anyone that I am here talking to you right now because my dad and grandmother will easily confuse this message board for Myspace, which despite everything, despite the fact that some of the designers have pages on that website, and despite the fact that I am friends with the designers, I am departing. My heart and mind have been in overdrive. I may have told some of you what has happened. I know this is old news, but I was very disappointed to see Vincent leave. Some of you may not agree, and I'm not trying to start an argument here but that is just my opinion. I gave him all the support I could. I still admire him as a designer and I still believe that he has the potential to do great things. Also, even though I did not see this week's show, I am sorry to hear that Kayne left. Yet I have had a personal conflict with Vincent, and with Jeffrey as well. I knew them, or at least I thought I did, because now I am completely doubting their authenticity in terms of whether or not it is really them. My parents do not believe it is them, and somehow I just don't know anymore. If it were, if I knew them, and if for any reason I did not know them on Myspace and I was told for any reason or another that I could not talk to them anymore, then it would hurt me deeply. Yet I understand where my parents are coming from. However, despite the fact that I knew Vincent and Jeffrey and supposedly struck up a friendship with them, I admit I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I saw things that they did and said that I did not agree with. I did not know whether or not to be honest with them or to hold it all back. I even told Katherine how I felt and asked her advice. I feel like the whole Myspace thing was a major miscalculation. It was an overzealous attempt to make contact with people who I may have otherwise not have been able to attain their friendship in reality. I have been on the internet for six years, doing business with people, and talking to people. I have seen my share of people I find suspicious or just weird. I have found my share of angels, devils and zealots. I have found my share of fake people who do their best to boost their own self esteem and do whatever they can do to humiliate people because they have more confidence in themselves than in others. I have seen my share of greedy, dirty people. I wonder why I haven't been destroyed.
The second biggest thing that is just upsetting me right now and has caused me more pain than anyone can handle is something that I am sure you have all gone through at one time or another, and that is divorce. I feel like I can no longer trust or love my own father because he is seeing another woman. Even more, he is doing this and lying about it. He did something to hurt my sister tonight. He went with the woman to my sister's boyfriend's FEMA trailer. I have seen my doctor about everything. I told him every single thing that was on my mind and I still don't feel happy. I want to change my life. I want to go to college, I want to do a job I enjoy. I want to go see concerts and sporting events. Yet if my dad is going to do this to me and my sister, then I cannot trust him. I do not want to be a part of someone else's life. I love my mother too much to let her down like that. My dad left behind a family. He threw it all away. Yet, my grandmother wants me to forgive him and accept him for who he is. How can I do that? How can I accept a man who destroyed a family and almost sent me over the edge? I just don't want to get into the particulars of it all, but that is the situation. I feel enormous pressure to change ever since I saw my doctor this week. I am feeling pressure from my dad and from my grandmother to change my sleeping habits. I know I needed help on that but I am not one to adapt to change easily. I felt like they wanted me to change at the snap of a finger. I can't do a complete 180 and change into someone else. That's not how it works. There's no such thing as a quick change. Now this is not some excuse but this is the way it is. Even more so, my dad acted inappropriately in my eyes. He didn't just merely reinforce what the doctor was trying to say, he acted as if he was a drill sergeant hammering the points home or a chairman of the board talking in a stern manner to people gathered in a conference room about how to repair a bankrupt Fortune 500 company. I went out to the movies tonight, I went and saw "The Black Dahlia" and on the way there I was just tense, I was worried that my Ipod battery would go out before we got to the theater. It didn't help that my uncle chose to take the scenic route to the theater. I had to ride with like 9 people including my baby niece and nephew who constantly make noise and such to the point where it drives my aunt and uncle nuts. All this after I went out with my sister and my dad to the mall and to lunch. I was very tired, I had a splitting headache last night and got absolutely no sleep at all. I felt nothing but pressure. Even when I got home and said to my grandmother I was tired, she was like "you can't be, you have to fight it" and I'm like "what do you want me to be, Superman? Do you want me to save the world or something?" In my mind and in my heart there was so much rage and anger and bitterness and sadness. If only I had another life. This is all I have to say, I'm literally trying not to cry as I write this, and I am so sorry if I am off topic, but I just, I need someone. I need more help than I should have gotten.
Therapy.
IF ANYONE ATTEMPTS TO COUNSEL THIS POOR SOUL, MAY HIM/HER BE DAMNED, THIS GUY NEEDS PROFESSIONAL HELP AND YOU'RE NOT PROFESSIONAL DOING THIS ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD SO SHUT UP AND KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF.
or he's a prankster in which case I say hello, friend.
Boomette
September 16, 2006 - 11:22 PM
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Three sets of comments -- first to the designers; second to the producers; third to the judges:
Re the designers -- at the start of tonight's show, before the shocking stunt was revealed, I was really feeling that the right designers really made it to the final five. All five of you are very talented, with an interestng variety of perspectives and personalities (even if you are not all very pleasant).
Re the producers -- Just after two weeks where I had gone back to thinking that you had some decency, integrity, and judgment, you really plunged to a new low. In the end, however, your mean-spirited stunt had an OK twist. It actually was fun (in a sadistic sort of way) just to watch those two arrogant misfits get auf'ed again, with potentially the worst creations that either of them had ever come up with. (In other words, I "got off" on their re-elimination.)
Re the judges -- Another week where I think you got it right. Michael's dress was great, but Laura's was even nicer, and I'm glad you recognized it. Among the real final five (as opposed to the fake final seven), Jeffrey and Kayne did create the weakest two designs. I think it was a close call as to which to eliminate. In the end, however, I think that Kayne's white cord no more satisfied this challenge than Keith's square of gold cloth satisfied the horrid doggie-costume challenge. And for that reason, Kayne deserved to go home, just as I said with the doggie-challenge that Keith should have gone home then.
RE: DESIGNERS; I'm not so sure. I really think Jeffrey is VERY limited in his talent. The lamented Alison, or a couple of others, were just as good, and not nearly as toxic. Most of all, I keep wondering what would have happened if Keith hadn't gotten himself kicked off. In terms of talent, he was as good as anybody there. But even without his style book violation, he just WOULDN'T follow the rules of the challenge, and found some way to not do exactly what he should every time. With Keith's arrogance and conflict there, I have no doubt that Jeff would have been dumped weeks ago. It would have been a real kick to see Keith come back - the remaining designers would have been sweating for real! I predict that Keith will have a great career, if he gets a good business manager to handle all his contracts and financial affairs. Otherwise, he'll end up in prison for tax evasion' not because he's a crook, but because his just refuses to follow rules!
PRODUCERS: OMIGAWD - WHAT A HOOT!!! Yes, is was gimmicky, and probably a foregone outcome. But I literally SHRIEKED with delight when Angela walked out - Jeffrey's expression was priceless! Too bad they didn't do better, and create more real tension.
That's the positive. The negative: Assuming these challenges are picked before the competition even starts, it calls the outcome on some of the other challenges into question. Was that why Vincent's mediocre dress won the Everyday Woman challenge - because Uli and the others already had wins to their credit? They're obviously manipulating the outcome to keep the drama up; and sometimes the result is very unfair. And I dispute the "arrogant misfits" part. Vincent is kind of arrogant, in his delusion that he does great work; but he was never nasty to the other contestants, and took his defeat gracefully. Angela had some conflicts, but I hardly found her arrogant. She was very gracious after her ouster, and maybe should have been a little more forceful; that Midwestern politeness doesn't take you too far with some of these characters. I don't necessarity care for all her styles, but get really tired of seeing her constantly maligned on the boards.
JUDGES: The minute they gave Laura a positive review, I KNEW that she'd win. Not because her dress was necessarily the best, though I liked it a lot, but because she was the only one left not to win a challenge yet. it wasn't even the best thing she's done on the show, but I consider it a "cumulative" win, for consistently strong work. She should have tried a print ages ago - probably could have won before! I think that's what clinched it for her; everyone was expecting something very geometric, with strong contrast, and she did this great allover lace.
Michael's work was strong, as always, but it looked a little familiar. I couldn't pin it down, and about an hour later, it hit me; his design and the overall look were like vintage Norma Kamali. Not a bad person to model yourself after, but still lacked his usual freshness.
Uli - Somehow, she managed to make black and white look sort of muted - I think because of the shine of the fabric. It was interesting, but felt forced with the big, detached(?) sleeves. I wish she'd done something like her dog walker outfit - nice clean lines, and that great strap detail in the back. It would have been killer in black and white! She doesn't seem able to shake the whole beachy look; apparently under all that flowy fabric is some Teutonic rigidity.
Kayne - Oh, honey, sorry to see you go. The dress wasn't that good, but it was because you tried too hard to change what you are. You "edited" yourself right out. But I know that Kayne has a great future. He already has an established business, and a way with people. He's also immensely talented, has good skills, and above all is willing to learn and grow. All he needs is time to mature, and to expand his horizons past that whole pageant thing. It should happen - even in Norman, OKLA.
Angela - I agree with another post; that collar wasn't Edwardian, it was Elizabethan! But I kinda liked it, from the front. The back, unfortunately, was like a sports bra - what WAS that?? My main problem was with the dress, though - it was so skimpy it only covered part of the model's breast from the side. Girl, you stuffed the purse with leftover fabric - why didn't you use more of it ON the dress?
Ditto for Vincent. He wouldn't have won, but he could have redeemed himself with this challenge. He did get a tough break when Jia was injured. But isn't the whole point of designer clothing that it can be altered to fit perfectly? He had all this fabric left over, and no seam allowances. If I'd overbought, I would have allowed about an inch - AND a double-turned hem! It's too bad about the skirt, because I agree with Tim that the pleated bodice was really nice.
Jeffrey - WHY is this jerk still on TV? He described it as "like I'd see at a cocktail party in Hollywood". I think more like a [censored] AND Tail party in WEST Hollywood! Nina was tired of "Gwen Stefani every time"? - Please, Gwen has too much class and style to be caught dead in this Milkmaid Hooker drag! Cher might wear it onstage; I can't imagine it anywhere else. The longer he goes, the worse Jeff gets. He was trying harder at the beginning; now he just does his same old tired LA music scene - LAST century look. He's absolutely sure he doesn't need to change, grow, or expand his style; once again, it this man REALLY in recovery? He can sew, but only chooses to make things for people who look like they exist on a diet of crack and Jack Daniels. Kayne should have stayed, and this travesty should have been trashed!
pacey988
September 16, 2006 - 11:39 PM
I'm sorry to say it but this is not a prank. I will admit though I did think the advice that was meant for anyone who tried to counsel me was intended for me, I feel like I shouldn't have aired out any dirty laundry or anything. I am not at the point where I am going to do something completely dangerous. What I would like to do is talk to my doctor on the phone about this whole thing, if I can get him. I have already sought professional counseling from him and he has given me some good advice. Yet there are some things that I feel need to be worked on, and I would like to work on those things.
brillke
September 16, 2006 - 11:59 PM
I can understand the disappointment of meeting your heros, by "meeting" them on myspace, and having them not live up to your expectations.
I wish I could remember who said it but I once heard a celebrity say they had met one of their idols and were really taken aback by how unlike "themself" they were. He said to never meet your heros, just admire them from afar. Something like that but you get my point.
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pacey988
September 17, 2006 - 12:24 AM
The thing is, they did live up to my expectations. Vincent was a very nice person to talk to. He encouraged me to continue on in my guitar learning, he told me about how he had 7 guitars and about how I'm doing good by having a basic Beatles songbook. Jeffrey was very encouraging of my sister when I told him about how she wanted to be a fashion designer. The problem here is my parents don't believe that they are the real people I am talking to. They think just because they have "official" next to their Myspace or because they have pictures of themselves or members of their family or sketches they made doesn't mean it's definitive proof they exist.
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September 17, 2006 - 01:42 AM
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Re the designers -- at the start of tonight's show, before the shocking stunt was revealed, I was really feeling that the right designers really made it to the final five. All five of you are very talented, with an interes tng variety of perspectives and personalities (even if you are not all very pleasant).
Re the producers -- Just after two weeks where I had gone back to thinking that you had some decency, integrity, and judgment, you really plunged to a new low. In the end, however, your mean-spirited stunt had an OK twist. It actually was fun (in a sadistic sort of way) just to watch those two arrogant misfits get auf'ed again, with potentially the worst creations that either of them had ever come up with. (In other words, I "got off" on their re-elimination.)
Re the judges -- Another week where I think you got it right. Michael's dress was great, but Laura's was even nicer, and I'm glad you recognized it. Among the real final five (as opposed to the fake final seven), Jeffrey and Kayne did create the weakest two designs. I think it was a close call as to which to eliminate. In the end, however, I think that Kayne's white cord no more satisfied this challenge than Keith's square of gold cloth satisfied the horrid doggie-costume challenge. And for that reason, Kayne deserved to go home, just as I said with the doggie-challenge that Keith should have gone home then.
RE: DESIGNERS; I'm not so sure. I really think Jeffrey is VERY limited in his talent. The lamented Alison, or a couple of others, were just as good, and not nearly as toxic. Most of all, I keep wondering what would have happened if Keith hadn't gotten himself kicked off. In terms of talent, he was as good as anybody there. But even without his style book violation, he just WOULDN'T follow the rules of the challenge, and found some way to not do exactly what he should every time. With Keith's arrogance and conflict there, I have no doubt that Jeff would have been dumped weeks ago. It would have been a real kick to see Keith come back - the remaining designers would have been sweating for real! I predict that Keith will have a great career, if he gets a good business manager to handle all his contracts and financial affairs. Otherwise, he'll end up in prison for tax evasion' not because he's a crook, but because his just refuses to follow rules!
PRODUCERS: OMIGAWD - WHAT A HOOT!!! Yes, is was gimmicky, and probably a foregone outcome. But I literally SHRIEKED with delight when Angela walked out - Jeffrey's expression was priceless! Too bad they didn't do better, and create more real tension.
That's the positive. The negative: Assuming these challenges are picked before the competition even starts, it calls the outcome on some of the other challenges into question. Was that why Vincent's mediocre dress won the Everyday Woman challenge - because Uli and the others already had wins to their credit? They're obviously manipulating the outcome to keep the drama up; and sometimes the result is very unfair. And I dispute the "arrogant misfits" part. Vincent is kind of arrogant, in his delusion that he does great work; but he was never nasty to the other contestants, and took his defeat gracefully. Angela had some conflicts, but I hardly found her arrogant. She was very gracious after her ouster, and maybe should have been a little more forceful; that Midwestern politeness doesn't take you too far with some of these characters. I don't necessarity care for all her styles, but get really tired of seeing her constantly maligned on the boards.
JUDGES: The minute they gave Laura a positive review, I KNEW that she'd win. Not because her dress was necessarily the best, though I liked it a lot, but because she was the only one left not to win a challenge yet. it wasn't even the best thing she's done on the show, but I consider it a "cumulative" win, for consistently strong work. She should have tried a print ages ago - probably could have won before! I think that's what clinched it for her; everyone was expecting something very geometric, with strong contrast, and she did this great allover lace.
Michael's work was strong, as always, but it looked a little familiar. I couldn't pin it down, and about an hour later, it hit me; his design and the overall look were like vintage Norma Kamali. Not a bad person to model yourself after, but still lacked his usual freshness.
Uli - Somehow, she managed to make black and white look sort of muted - I think because of the shine of the fabric. It was interesting, but felt forced with the big, detached(?) sleeves. I wish she'd done something like her dog walker outfit - nice clean lines, and that great strap detail in the back. It would have been killer in black and white! She doesn't seem able to shake the whole beachy look; apparently under all that flowy fabric is some Teutonic rigidity.
Kayne - Oh, honey, sorry to see you go. The dress wasn't that good, but it was because you tried too hard to change what you are. You "edited" yourself right out. But I know that Kayne has a great future. He already has an established business, and a way with people. He's also immensely talented, has good skills, and above all is willing to learn and grow. All he needs is time to mature, and to expand his horizons past that whole pageant thing. It should happen - even in Norman, OKLA.
Angela - I agree with another post; that collar wasn't Edwardian, it was Elizabethan! But I kinda liked it, from the front. The back, unfortunately, was like a sports bra - what WAS that?? My main problem was with the dress, though - it was so skimpy it only covered part of the model's breast from the side. Girl, you stuffed the purse with leftover fabric - why didn't you use more of it ON the dress?
Ditto for Vincent. He wouldn't have won, but he could have redeemed himself with this challenge. He did get a tough break when Jia was injured. But isn't the whole point of designer clothing that it can be altered to fit perfectly? He had all this fabric left over, and no seam allowances. If I'd overbought, I would have allowed about an inch - AND a double-turned hem! It's too bad about the skirt, because I agree with Tim that the pleated bodice was really nice.
Jeffrey - WHY is this jerk still on TV? He described it as "like I'd see at a cocktail party in Hollywood". I think more like a [censored] AND Tail party in WEST Hollywood! Nina was tired of "Gwen Stefani every time"? - Please, Gwen has too much class and style to be caught dead in this Milkmaid Hooker drag! Cher might wear it onstage; I can't imagine it anywhere else. The longer he goes, the worse Jeff gets. He was trying harder at the beginning; now he just does his same old tired LA music scene - LAST century look. He's absolutely sure he doesn't need to change, grow, or expand his style; once again, it this man REALLY in recovery? He can sew, but only chooses to make things for people who look like they exist on a diet of crack and Jack Daniels. Kayne should have stayed, and this travesty should have been trashed!
LOL WTG BOOMETTE!! that was one of the best things I've ever read
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September 17, 2006 - 03:48 AM
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I bother you? Golly gee willikers Mr. Scientist, I thought I was on ignore. HAH!
I'll post whenever and to whomever I wish, thank you very much. As long as you post on this message board, I will respond if it is my wish to do so.
Good for you now run along and play...*patting you in the head*
andynnj
September 17, 2006 - 04:31 AM
Finally got over to Herald Square yesterday. Some "foreign diplomat" was shopping there - 8 secret service, 4 fed protective service, untold numbers of NYPD, 2 limos, 1 suv, 2+ NYPD cars and one mobile unit. What did this little shopping trip cost the NYC and US taxpayers?! Unf-ing believable!
Anyways, back to the clothes. Laura's dress was beautiful. It looked like it came off one of the racks in the store.
BOTH (!!) of Jeffrey's outfits looked poorly made! The jet-setter outfit had uneven seams, threads everywhere, and looked like a costume from the Rocky Horror. The "couture" (term used loosely) dress was a F-U-G-L-Y plaid cotton (tv doesn't begin to show you how bad it really is) with so many loose strings on it I started to wonder if Junkie Jeffrey meant it to be fringe. Unfinished fabric edges completed the cheap look of the dress. I would post pics, but the window glass won't allow for decent pics.
The other outfits were really nice. I couldn't see Vincent's very well -- it is squished between two others. You have to put your face on the glass and cup your hands to see anything clearly.
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September 17, 2006 - 04:38 AM
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Here's a link to the Getty images page where you can find the photos of the collections:
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/se...&e=0&pg=1&am=-1
Just took a trip to the website. Thanks for the info. I have to say that I'm not really blown away by any of the four. I expected to be wowed by Michael, but I wasn't. Although he did have some really nice designs, as they all did. I guess I don't care now who wins, except that I'd hate for Jeffrey to win. Let's see, Jay(from what I can tell) is rather strange and he won. Chloe was nice and straightforward and mature, and I loved her designs. Guess it's time for the strange, bizarre winner again. So maybe next season we can concentrate on fashion and hope that the good guy or gal wins!
Your hypocracy is amazing.
This is you: "I want this show to be about fashion and not about 'personality'................But I don't want Jeffrey to win because I don't like his personality"
*double take*
Wh-wh-wha?
Yes, I don't like Jeffrey, and I also don't like his style. Last year I felt that Chloe was chosen because she had the maturity to handle it, unlike Jay. All I've seen of him has been whining. And where has he gone in 2 years? I'd rather see someone levelheaded, and someone who can market to a wider clientele than Jeffrey. I have to admit that I was surprised by his collection - that there were actually wearable clothes in there. Before the Everyday Women episode, I didn't care one way or the other. I even expressed my opinion that he should have won the recycling challenge. But his refusal to even work with Denise, to call her names, and laughing about designing a terrible outfit but still getting through are among the reasons I don't want him to win. However, from the press he is getting, it seems he might win. I guess if the next great designer is a punk rocker who designs for a limited audience then so be it. So yes part of my reason for not wanting him to win is personal, but I also don't think he has the fashion chops. Hence, I don't think I'm that hypocritical.
Another person willing to judge a person for witnessing probably less than 5 solid hours of footage of one person.
Holding a grudge against someone for treating another person with hostility.
How bout you just watch the next season on mute then?
And next time you have a thought, just let it go.
Everyone is entitled to feel however he wants about a particular designer. Junkie Jeffrey is a waste of fabric and time and has a horrible evil personality. If you don't like my opinion, or anyone else's, TFB.
Jadis
September 17, 2006 - 04:49 AM
Well Jay McCaroll did show at fashion week this past week.
dogabone
September 17, 2006 - 04:57 AM
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Jay not only showed, but his show was amazing! I found it far more impressive than many of the "name" designers' shows—e.g., Michael Kors. It was set up very cleverly, too, with all the outré features of the accessories used to set off the more conservatively wearable garments. Jay definitely showed that he was the right pick for the first PR win.
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September 17, 2006 - 05:42 AM
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Jay not only showed, but his show was amazing! I found it far more impressive than many of the "name" designers' shows—e.g., Michael Kors. It was set up very cleverly, too, with all the outré features of the accessories used to set off the more conservatively wearable garments. Jay definitely showed that he was the right pick for the first PR win.
His show was amazing, like good theatre, but I didnt find them wearable and actually hated them until I saw the video, then I loved the show. Some of the things are gorgeous but I still found his clothes not terribly wearable. Certainly no one my age would wear bright green plastic, maybe black plastic hehe. I loved Michael Kors' show I thought it was fab. The clothes were a tad too old for me but I loved them.
It's odd how clothes change when you see the video, I loved the still photos of Zac Posen's collection but when I saw the video I was aghast. His hoop skirt Scarlette O'Hara on crack number was totally pretentious. The silhouette of most of them was twice as balooney as anything Angela ever did. He did have some gorgeous stuff but really thumbs down.
I thought the current crop of runway designers did the best looking stuff of any designers this year, except for one or two.
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September 17, 2006 - 05:58 AM
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I loved Jays collection. Loved the colors,patterns,cut,everything. Well, the massive sunglasses and welding helmets I didnt love so much.
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September 17, 2006 - 06:13 AM
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LOL! I agree, but I think this approach allowed Jay to present an "edge" while keeping the clothes themselves more wearable.
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September 17, 2006 - 06:45 AM
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Must make it very hard for you to type! >giggle<
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I wondered what the problem was...LOL
silverfox
September 17, 2006 - 07:33 AM
I can't wait for the final episodes! I think Laura will make it to the finals; but I doubt she has the energy to win. Uli needs to stick to resort fashions. Jeffrey needs to check himself into a psychiatric ward. Michael is a winner; he's extremely talented; he's humble and somehow manages to stay out of the cat fights. I love him!
blingbling
September 17, 2006 - 08:11 AM
Not for nothing, but something is bothering me big-time.
Why did Michael Knight give the hook 'em horns sign? When he was told he "vas in" by Heidi, he walked in the room and held up his hands and gave everyone ... and the camera ... the hook 'em horns sign? Is this the Supernova competition? And what group is he trying to signal that he's in with?
Michael just dropped off my list and onto my radar. And the name? Is that his real name? What's going on with him? Are his answers being edited to make him come across as this nice, gentle, wonderful person when from his own mouth he says he wants to take over the world?
Guess if he gives the same hand signal our wonderful prez does, he's pretty close.
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September 17, 2006 - 08:20 AM
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I think the one that bothers me the most is Anne Frank...It's so valuable right now to know that there were people in the past who disagreed with their government and let people know...it shows kids that their ideas and thoughts are important and they can make a difference...all things I hope my child learns.
I haven't seen the Parade article, so I wonder *where* those books are banned? It can't be a nationwide thing, as they're definitely not banned around here. "The Diary of Anne Frank" is required reading in the middle schools, and "To Kill A Mockingbird" is required reading in the junior year of high school. 'Course, we tend to be a tad more "liberal" here in the Pacific Northwest than in some other parts of the country. As far as I know, NONE of the books on the original list are banned up here.
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September 17, 2006 - 08:21 AM
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Why did Michael Knight give the hook 'em horns sign? When he was told he "vas in" by Heidi, he walked in the room and held up his hands and gave everyone ... and the camera ... the hook 'em horns sign? Is this the Supernova competition? And what group is he trying to signal that he's in with?
Michael just dropped off my list and onto my radar. And the name? Is that his real name? What's going on with him? Are his answers being edited to make him come across as this nice, gentle, wonderful person when from his own mouth he says he wants to take over the world?
Guess if he gives the same hand signal our wonderful prez does, he's pretty close.
Wow you are hooked onto some conspiracy theory. I'm sure it met nothing and you are looking way too far into it. RELAX!! Micheal is by far the best in this competition and has the most class.
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September 17, 2006 - 08:37 AM
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I think the one that bothers me the most is Anne Frank...It's so valuable right now to know that there were people in the past who disagreed with their government and let people know...it shows kids that their ideas and thoughts are important and they can make a difference...all things I hope my child learns.
I haven't seen the Parade article, so I wonder *where* those books are banned? It can't be a nationwide thing, as they're definitely not banned around here. "The Diary of Anne Frank" is required reading in the middle schools, and "To Kill A Mockingbird" is required reading in the junior year of high school. 'Course, we tend to be a tad more "liberal" here in the Pacific Northwest than in some other parts of the country. As far as I know, NONE of the books on the original list are banned up here.
Huck Finn and To Kill A Mocking Bird (and other books like them) are banned more or less in the south because of racial issues which are brought up in the books. Pretty stupid in my opinion, but ohwell.
brillke
September 17, 2006 - 08:53 AM
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Not for nothing, but something is bothering me big-time.
Why did Michael Knight give the hook 'em horns sign? When he was told he "vas in" by Heidi, he walked in the room and held up his hands and gave everyone ... and the camera ... the hook 'em horns sign? Is this the Supernova competition? And what group is he trying to signal that he's in with?
Michael just dropped off my list and onto my radar. And the name? Is that his real name? What's going on with him? Are his answers being edited to make him come across as this nice, gentle, wonderful person when from his own mouth he says he wants to take over the world?
Guess if he gives the same hand signal our wonderful prez does, he's pretty close.
Im not sure but isnt the sign also "i love you" in sign language?
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September 17, 2006 - 08:57 AM
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I think the one that bothers me the most is Anne Frank...It's so valuable right now to know that there were people in the past who disagreed with their government and let people know...it shows kids that their ideas and thoughts are important and they can make a difference...all things I hope my child learns.
I haven't seen the Parade article, so I wonder *where* those books are banned? It can't be a nationwide thing, as they're definitely not banned around here. "The Diary of Anne Frank" is required reading in the middle schools, and "To Kill A Mockingbird" is required reading in the junior year of high school. 'Course, we tend to be a tad more "liberal" here in the Pacific Northwest than in some other parts of the country. As far as I know, NONE of the books on the original list are banned up here.
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"The 25th annual Banned Books Week is Sept. 23-30. The American Library Association says each book below has been pulled from some libraries or schools. You’ll be surprised by the list. Why were Garfield and a dictionary deemed dangerous? Visit parade.com.
A number of other books have been removed because of provocative pictures, racist or explicit language, or controversial ideas. Sometimes the books are “challenged”—that is, individuals request to have them removed—but the challenge is overruled, and the books remain. There have been more than 8,700 reported book challenges since 1990. Among those challenged: Mother Goose, Freakonomics, The Bible and Fahrenheit 451. “The reason more books aren’t banned is because community residents—with librarians, teachers and journalists —speak out for their freedom to read,” said ALA President Leslie Burger.
To learn more, and for details about Banned Books Week (September 23-30), visit www.ala.org/bbooks. The American Library Association says this week is a great time to read a classic book."
Since there were questions, I cut and pasted the article.
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It's selfish to the kids when you're too old or dead before the kid graduates from high school! It's one thing to be surprised, but to actually wait and have some old geezers for parents is so rude!! This is why so many kids are so messed up I think!! They are given toys all their lives to make up for the lack of energy of their decrepit parents!! I know so many people that didn't get time from parents; just junk instead like computers, cameras, and other expensive toys!! That is what I meant!! Sorry if it offends!!
WOW! Where does some of this stuff come from??? FTR the retirement community today is far more active then the parenting age group who are over weight, couch potatoes with very strange ideas about placing people in groups based on age, race, religion, sex, etc. The only thing keeping anyone from achieving any goal in 2006 is prejudices like this.
Actually, I keep reading how 40 is the new 30. Well, if Laura is 42 then shes actually 32,right? She has an 18 year old daughter so that means she had her at 14 then. Ew, 40 is still 40.
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Hmmmm My mother was just shy of 40 when I was born, my father was 49. My father retired when I was a senior in high school, my mother was in a car accident which left her permanantly disabled when I was 19. I am well adjusted, had a very successful career (I changed careers 9 years ago) never been in jail, never been arrested for that matter. I am a strong independent woman who is active in a wide variety of things. I find that it isn't the age of the parents (frankly mine were not around all that much.. we were very poor even though they both worked 2 jobs) but what values they instill in their children. I learned from an early age that respect, honor and a strong work ethic were most important in life.
On the other hand.. my best friend has two of the most spoiled rotten kids on the planet. He is 32 and has 2 teenagers. They have no respect for him or their mother.. they spend their time in front of the computer or the TV. They both do poorly in school, swear like sailors and frankly are given anything their little hearts desire. They have no chores around the house.. and the 14 year old girl has NEVER washed a dish. ( I find this amazing as I was working and going to school when I was 14.. and responsible for a large portion of the housework!)
Just goes to show you it isn't the age of the parent.. it is how the parent raises the kids.
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ROFLMAO! Letterman said the Stones need to call their tour "A Bus Full of Grandpas." My birthday is Sunday and I'll be 53 which I've declared is the new 33.
On my 50th birthday, a 23 year old told me that I was 25...for the second time. I kinda like that!
I don't think Letterman should be the one talk. . . didn't he
and his girlfriend have their first baby recently? And he's how old??? BTW, I'm in my late 40's and I like the idea of being 25 for the second time. Looking forward to it!
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WOW.. me too!! WEll actually I am only 21.. and have been for 3 decades now. hehehehe
lazylady
September 17, 2006 - 09:17 AM
taggin on here and not a reply to the last post.
I thought I would have a nice Sunday morning and stop by the board to enjoy everyone's take on the Fashion Week photos and their takes on the fashions.
In stead I find two posters that seem to think that they are lord and maters of the board, attacking almost anyone that post any opinion that they do not agree with.
The thing I noticed most about what they post is that they both have a very similar writing style, use the same phrases, and many of the exact words as the other.
The season of this show is for all intents and purposes over except for announcing the "winner".
I won't feel the need to come here again thankfully.
Too bad that two posters that seem to be one have, for me, completely ruined the fun of this board.
Good by to friends I have made here.
ChicagoDiva
September 17, 2006 - 09:36 AM
"No, it is not a cocktail dress"
sheesh1
September 17, 2006 - 09:42 AM
Geez people, this is A TELEVISION SHOW....IT IS ENTERTAINMENT....WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT REALITY....WHAT YOU THINK YOU SEE IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HAPPENED!!!!!
Sorry for caps, but for goodness sake....the show is what it is, enjoy it or not enjoy it. This has no impact on your life, and if you think it does, you need to get a better life!
Personally, I love all the twists, personally, I don't always agree with decisions made...but it is an hours worth of entertainment in my life each week.
Sigh.
ChicagoDiva
September 17, 2006 - 09:43 AM
Kayne was forewarned by Michael, then Tim
Maybe if he would've added more white
in the makeup and/or accessories:
shoes/bag/earrings that might
have helped him out since
he didn't have enough white fabric.
bradg1989
September 17, 2006 - 10:08 AM
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taggin on here and not a reply to the last post.
I thought I would have a nice Sunday morning and stop by the board to enjoy everyone's take on the Fashion Week photos and their takes on the fashions.
In stead I find two posters that seem to think that they are lord and maters of the board, attacking almost anyone that post any opinion that they do not agree with.
The thing I noticed most about what they post is that they both have a very similar writing style, use the same phrases, and many of the exact words as the other.
The season of this show is for all intents and purposes over except for announcing the "winner".
I won't feel the need to come here again thankfully.
Too bad that two posters that seem to be one have, for me, completely ruined the fun of this board.
Good by to friends I have made here.
I know you'll still be reading this board, no matter what you say, so quit being a martyr, nobody cares.
brillke
September 17, 2006 - 10:10 AM
I was very sad to read your post lazy but I can understand. i hope to see you on the TC boards.
brillke
CALady
September 17, 2006 - 10:10 AM
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I was very sad to read your post lazy but I can understand. i hope to see you on the TC boards.
brillke
Me too!!!
DarlaMaria
September 17, 2006 - 10:15 AM
I did see the Fashion Week Collections and must admit that I was looking forward to being blown away by Michael. Sadly, I wasn't. In fact, I liked some of his fashion challenge designs much better than what I saw on the runway (his winning outfits and the white cocktail dress).
Jeffrey's designs reflected an attempt to move away from the Gwen Stefani aesthetic. A couple of the dresses looked Uli-ized, but it does look like he tried to stretch. Still, no wow factor.
Uli's designs remind me of the dresses you see on a Simplicity pattern -- one pattern, five different looks. It was refreshing in the beginning of the show, but doesn't reflect any range. However, she seems delightful.
Lady Laura, a.k.a. Big Momma. LOL. She was the only designer of the 4 who showed items I'd love to own. Now, I'm also over 35 which may mean that she's got a style that is too mature for the mainstream. I'm not sure. But I do know that I loved what I saw. And she looked great!
Who should win? I don't know. I think it will be a Michael-Laura showdown (unless they bring back Vincent and Angela for more flogging).
By the way, I saw Angela the other day in a subway station near Bryant Park. She's very tall, thin and attractive. I recognized her glasses first, and then I saw her rosette-covered purse!
I love New York! Have fun!
eclectic
September 17, 2006 - 10:20 AM
Haven't posted much, but thought I'd give my two cents here:
I was sort of appreciative that they brought back two winners and gave a second chance. I didn't think either would fare well because I haven't seen much from either the whole season. In past seasons, they have eliminated people (sometimes nonwinners) I've liked a lot.
Still, I'm sure glad neither pulled it out! (LOL)
Kayne is costumey. This last piece was good IMO. And I didn't think it was fair to penalize him for using a small amount of white. But, even discounting that criticism, his was probably the one to go. Kayne should go to Hollywood and design for the movies.
Jeffrey is great and it isn't all rock start. His couture piece was youthful and vibrant and not limited to rock stars. He cannot design for matrons - that's for sure! I get tired of his dissing Angela's mom. She did say bright colors and everyone knows that doesn't include "safe" blue. Still, I think Jeffrey is a talented designer.
Michael does everything right! What else is there to say?
Uli - did anyone notice the top on her cocktail dress was similar to the top she was wearing? Seems like most of her bodices (if not all) are the same. I would wear you, Uli, but this is a competition, dear.
Laura - Very talented. In my final three. How she is going to continue designing under the stress of her pregnancy is beyond me. But, good luck to her. Having said that, I wasn't crazy about the cocktail dress. Sort of tacky, actually. But not the right style/color combo for a black model. I love her model!!!! But I don't think her model would ever wear this on her own. So, maybe the dress - had it been on Laura herself esp. with her vibrant red hair - would have appealed more to me. Didn't like the stringy hemline at all. Still, hopefully Laura's in. Thought Michael - again - should have won.
Sorry, Uli, bye-bye.
Finally, no way Laura was drinking the champagne. That woman knows herself and she's right on about everything she chooses to do. Give her some credit folks.
This is the first season I've agreed with every elimination. Except for Vincent, perhaps. He's an interesting designer . . . he's just obsolete! He should have boned up on fashion before joining PR! His look is so sixties and seventies! Unbelievable!
ChicagoDiva
September 17, 2006 - 10:42 AM
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I am concerned about it. Why aren't you?
It is very very bad form to show her taking part in the champagne drinking and not mention the fact she was drinking something else. For the sake of younger viewers at least! If they expect the audience to know better then as part of the audience I expect them to do better at encouraging proper behavior for expecting women. To show her taking part is a grievous and irresponsible act. How does one get in touch directly with the producers? I would most definitely give them a piece of my mind regarding the incident of a pregnant woman shown to be engaged in a champagne toast on this episode.
Seriously,
Ilooy
Making a mountain out of a molehill
no one knows for certain what was in that
glass! Besides, she has plenty of experience
so I'm not concerned and think this conversation
is totally ridiculous. This woman has "FIVE" children
who appear quite healthy. She doesn't need schooling,
if there is anyone who knows the pregnancy script, its Laura. She is a mature classy dame. I'm sure she is an expert on how to handle drinking by her sixth pregnancy. Let's not "automatically assume" a negative worse.
Not many women have six kids now-a-days especially w/a job as an architect so I applaud her.
I've seen so many women with "non" champagne/beverage
in a "wine glass". So I don't see wine glass and automatically think "alcohol" is in it.
"Virgin" mary's, pina coladas, sparkling waters,
juice that "look" alcoholic they're readily available "everywhere."
Her dress was great I think this deserving win helped her confidence because mostly everyone had one except her
(except the group win) she just sewed as a hobby (from what I understand). She's playing in the big leagues as a designer. She doesn't need confidence as a mom, she's proven that point x5 w/another on the way, so I would say, quite well.
I think she knows what's she's doing and I admire her tenacity. I like her and Michael collaborating they worked well together she brings old school elegance (park avenue) to his new school (ATL hip-hop) elegance. Those two could come up w/some fantastic creations.
CALady
September 17, 2006 - 10:43 AM
Quote:
Haven't posted much, but thought I'd give my two cents here:
I was sort of appreciative that they brought back two winners and gave a second chance. I didn't think either would fare well because I haven't seen much from either the whole season. In past seasons, they have eliminated people (sometimes nonwinners) I've liked a lot.
Still, I'm sure glad neither pulled it out! (LOL)
Kayne is costumey. This last piece was good IMO. And I didn't think it was fair to penalize him for using a small amount of white. But, even discounting that criticism, his was probably the one to go. Kayne should go to Hollywood and design for the movies.
Jeffrey is great and it isn't all rock start. His couture piece was youthful and vibrant and not limited to rock stars. He cannot design for matrons - that's for sure! I get tired of his dissing Angela's mom. She did say bright colors and everyone knows that doesn't include "safe" blue. Still, I think Jeffrey is a talented designer.
Michael does everything right! What else is there to say?
Uli - did anyone notice the top on her cocktail dress was similar to the top she was wearing? Seems like most of her bodices (if not all) are the same. I would wear you, Uli, but this is a competition, dear.
Laura - Very talented. In my final three. How she is going to continue designing under the stress of her pregnancy is beyond me. But, good luck to her. Having said that, I wasn't crazy about the cocktail dress. Sort of tacky, actually. But not the right style/color combo for a black model. I love her model!!!! But I don't think her model would ever wear this on her own. So, maybe the dress - had it been on Laura herself esp. with her vibrant red hair - would have appealed more to me. Didn't like the stringy hemline at all. Still, hopefully Laura's in. Thought Michael - again - should have won.
Sorry, Uli, bye-bye.
Finally, no way Laura was drinking the champagne. That woman knows herself and she's right on about everything she chooses to do. Give her some credit folks.
This is the first season I've agreed with every elimination. Except for Vincent, perhaps. He's an interesting designer . . . he's just obsolete! He should have boned up on fashion before joining PR! His look is so sixties and seventies! Unbelievable!
Like your two cents. Thanks for a great recap. I looked quickly at the photos of all four runway shows but really want to see the models walk in them on the runway. It looks like the final is going to be great.
ChicagoDiva
September 17, 2006 - 11:02 AM
"This is funny and I'm still laughing"
ChicagoDiva
September 17, 2006 - 11:11 AM
DUH...
"All" fashion is re-worked
See the "Gap" skinny pants w/Audrey Hepburn
circa 1960s. See wedge shoes "circas" 1970's, 1980's
I could go on and on, its about putting a spin
on it w/fabric, accessories. I think Michael did that
I didn't think flash-dance its a timeless cut.
kevzz
September 17, 2006 - 11:13 AM
Hi guys
Sorry but this question might sound too random for this board but I have nowhere to ask. Does anyone know where Zulema get her nickname 'she-tangi' from? What does tangi means?? I am really curious cos im so hooked to this name! hope someone can help. Thanks!
dogabone
September 17, 2006 - 11:19 AM
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Hi guys
Sorry but this question might sound too random for this board but I have nowhere to ask. Does anyone know where Zulema get her nickname 'she-tangi' from? What does tangi means?? I am really curious cos im so hooked to this name! hope someone can help. Thanks!
It's Shatange—a pseudo-African name for Zulema's wild, evil alter-ego. Shatange got the blame for everything Zulema did that was considered nasty.
kevzz
September 17, 2006 - 11:23 AM
But is there a real person called Shatange? What is the origin of this name Shatange? Is Shatange notorious for anything that has happened before or what is the story behind it?
ChicagoDiva
September 17, 2006 - 11:26 AM
"Where is my Chiffon?"
Food_Pro
September 17, 2006 - 11:36 AM
But is there a real person called Shatange?
Not that we know of.
What is the origin of this name Shatange?
Zulema made it up.
Is Shatange notorious for anything that has happened before or what is the story behind it?
Zulema could be very nasty to the other designers. One example according to Tim Gunn is she would take the bolts of muslin and hide them under her work table.
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