brillke
October 5, 2006 - 10:41 AM
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" To my ears it sounds quite a bit like sour grapes on the part of some posters on this board that their will to silence Nowvoyager whether by reports to the board masters or demanding directly of this poster to cease and desist have failed. "
That comment disturbs me. Because FF1 is fed up with a moot discussion thats been raging for weeks, shes trying to silence someone? Nowvoyager can say whatever she wants, and boy does she, yet we cannot disagree or reply to her in kind?
I will make a deal with yall, ok? Only speaking for myself, BTW. I will be on my best behavior. No troll calling,no snark gone over the line, no swear words (unless used in a joke), or ant negative speak from me as long as Nowvoyager can do the same. I will do my best to take nothing she says personal as long as its not made to be personal. No long rants from me. No pointing out if something is lame or pure BS. The minute this doesnt happen, its all fair game. Why should anyone be expected to bend over and take it up the azz if other parties will continue doing their best to cause grief?
Do we have a deal?
brillke
Sorry that my comments disturb you. But again you seem to be missing the point. You want everyone to adhere to your version of what you want this board to be. You want Nowvoyager to stop yet you still want the ability to disagree and argue when Nowvoyager posts ("Nowvoyager can say whatever she wants, and boy does she, yet we cannot disagree or reply to her in kind?"). No one has told you to stop responding to her. I haven't and I won't. But I also wouldn't want to be told how, where, why or when to post. Post snarky, profanely, crudely, elegantly or simply. Just post true to yourself and for yourself.
"You want everyone to adhere to your version of what you want this board to be. You want Nowvoyager to stop yet you still want the ability to disagree and argue when Nowvoyager posts ("Nowvoyager can say whatever she wants, and boy does she, yet we cannot disagree or reply to her in kind?"). No one has told you to stop responding to her."
Actually, thats not what I said at all. When Did I say I wanted everyone to adhere the version of what I wanted the board to be? My one big issue is the constant harping on who has a right to have children and how crazy anyone who thinks moms are doing a very hard job is. This has been argued for weeks and common sense says both sides need to agree to disagree. No, instead it continues and pot shots are taken then denied they are pot shots. I dont care how you pretty it up, they are low blows meant to inflame. Ive never minded OT but when the OT that is being contantly harped on it such a personal decision and nobodys business, why are some still going on? I would never tell a women she must have a child/cannot have a child or how many she can have. Its not my right. To post the same agenda over and over has gotten tiresome. Weve all gotten the point. Lets agree to disagree already.
Nowvoyager can post, I got no problem with it. Dont plan on ever replying to her again as it seems to delight her and make things worse. So, how am I still wanting to disagree or argue with her post if I havent responded to her in awhile? And yes, I have been told to stop responding to her. I ve been told what I can post, the tone of the post and so on. I post what I want when I want. If I step over the line, I own it. Most things Ive said have been in jst but on at least one occassion I offended a person. Wasnt my intention, tried to explain this, they chose to be angry about it, nothing else I can do.
Oh, no, you have not personally told me how or what to post. Was using the term in general
I hope I explained things better this time because Im at a loss at how else to say it.
brillke
IronChef
October 5, 2006 - 10:48 AM
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Post snarky, profanely, crudely, elegantly or simply. Just post true to yourself and for yourself.
Truer, more eloquent words were never spoken. Thank you.
Lia
kanigirrrrl
October 5, 2006 - 11:18 AM
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Post snarky, profanely, crudely, elegantly or simply. Just post true to yourself and for yourself.
Truer, more eloquent words were never spoken. Thank you.
Lia
As always my dear, a pleasure. You are welcome.
clothesmaven
October 5, 2006 - 01:03 PM
Laura and Michael did design an outfit together but our cheery little friend with the nasty mother, Angela, took all the credit for it because she had those stupid little bowie thingys as the buttons which Laura suggested anyway to make the outfit presentable because Angela was the team leader and that was the easiest way out for both Michael and Laura. Try typing all that in one sentence or even taking a breath. Angela is an arts and crafts person and look back at her stuff and you can't possibly miss it. She really didn't even belong here.
Jeffrey was correct in treating the mother the way he did. She came to sabotage the whole thing for Angela. How stupid did she think people were?
tamarinden
October 5, 2006 - 01:14 PM
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Laura and Michael did design an outfit together but our cheery little friend with the nasty mother, Angela, took all the credit for it because she had those stupid little bowie thingys as the buttons which Laura suggested anyway to make the outfit presentable because Angela was the team leader and that was the easiest way out for both Michael and Laura. Try typing all that in one sentence or even taking a breath. Angela is an arts and crafts person and look back at her stuff and you can't possibly miss it. She really didn't even belong here.
Jeffrey was correct in treating the mother the way he did. She came to sabotage the whole thing for Angela. How stupid did she think people were?
? LOL you are confused
IronChef
October 5, 2006 - 05:32 PM
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Do we have a deal?
Apologies in response to someone else's bargain extended, but I don't take prisoners, and I don't make deals I know I can't deliver on.
The thing is, it's seemed that, especially on this season's boards, a group of members comprised of a certain few have been increasingly prevalent in what's amounted to "lording it over" the rest. It amounts to remarks and language that make others feel as if the "select few" are deeming themselves "Board Mommies," feeling the need to smack hands and dole out "time out" punishments, when the only true "Board Mommy" is the Bravo Board Boss. He or She is a slow boss, yes, but it's the only boss we've got, and the only one we ultimately need answer to.
Anyone can choose to express an opinion, and anyone can choose to disagree, regardless of whether that opinion or that disagreement is popular, unpopular or downright offensive. Tolerance isn't really optional these days, so the fine line (read: chasm) between "Your opinion sucks, and here's why" and "Your opinion sucks, so you need to leave" is a lot more glaring than it was even just a year ago.
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My one big issue is the constant harping on who has a right to have children and how crazy anyone who thinks moms are doing a very hard job is. This has been argued for weeks and common sense says both sides need to agree to disagree. No, instead it continues and pot shots are taken then denied they are pot shots. I dont care how you pretty it up, they are low blows meant to inflame. Ive never minded OT but when the OT that is being contantly harped on it such a personal decision and nobodys business, why are some still going on?
Because somebody else brought it up all over again, that's why. The argument had died down, but another member--maybe someone new to the board, or maybe someone who was playing catch-up with posts read a piece of the old argument and chose to chime in on it. At that point, the argument became new all over again, and a new chess board was cast. It happens all the time--new posters unwittingly dredging up old battle scars--but there's really no reason to damn the original opponants for wanting to defend anew, is there? After all, you never know when someone new is going to add a new and undiscussed facet to the argument, yes?
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To post the same agenda over and over has gotten tiresome. Weve all gotten the point. Lets agree to disagree already.
That's all well and good for those of us who have been here and witnessed the many incarnations of this argument. But for new apostles and doubting thomases, unless you plan on posting your creed atop each page of Bravo's board, making it a living testament to your manifesto, there's little hope of your apocrypha living outside the literary womb.
Color me Iscariot, but I'm just trying to play Devil's advocate.
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I post what I want when I want. If I step over the line, I own it.
Good. I'm glad you feel that way, because that's all any of us can really claim, and not one of us has the right to expect anyone else here to do any differently.
Lia
whiskers
October 5, 2006 - 06:40 PM
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Don't you go anywhere! I think I'm madly in like with you and who else would tickle my tummy if you leave?
http://www.laalternativepress.com/v02n01/f.../williamson.php
~~live it up.
I read the article, and I don't think that Pooh Bear or SimpleBear are like the "furries" that the article talks about. . . .
i do.
esp., re: whoever posted the yummy tummy tickle request:
imbuing "childish things" with sexuality. ew.
brillke
October 5, 2006 - 06:53 PM
"Apologies in response to someone else's bargain extended, but I don't take prisoners, and I don't make deals I know I can't deliver on. "
No need to apologize. I didnt want you or anyone else to say "deal" and feel responsible if someone stepped over the line. I am no wordsmith and am sure I didnt say what I meant to say correctly. What I was trying to say is if I try to "play well with others" then please expect "others" to do the same. If they do not, I would hope the same words being said to FF1 would be said to them. Maybe they have been and my uneducated eye has somehow missed it.
"The thing is, it's seemed that, especially on this season's boards, a group of members comprised of a certain few have been increasingly prevalent in what's amounted to "lording it over" the rest. It amounts to remarks and language that make others feel as if the "select few" are deeming themselves "Board Mommies," feeling the need to smack hands and dole out "time out" punishments, when the only true "Board Mommy" is the Bravo Board Boss. He or She is a slow boss, yes, but it's the only boss we've got, and the only one we ultimately need answer to."
If you are implying I am one of the "board mommies", please say so. Otherwise, I can name about 30 people who post on these boards who fit this description. That includes you,me and nowvoyager.
"Anyone can choose to express an opinion, and anyone can choose to disagree, regardless of whether that opinion or that disagreement is popular, unpopular or downright offensive. Tolerance isn't really optional these days, so the fine line (read: chasm) between "Your opinion sucks, and here's why" and "Your opinion sucks, so you need to leave" is a lot more glaring than it was even just a year ago. "
This is my point exactly. Why was FF1 pointed out when she was doing exactly as you described? If anything is a go on this board, from board mommies to trolls, I guess we should not point out we think someone is wrong. Am I reading this right? It does seem some speak their minds more freely then others and is it ok to scold, for lack of a better word, one but not the other? It seems as if when the "board mommies" disagree, they are the ones to get pointed out as not allowing others to have opinions.
"After all, you never know when someone new is going to add a new and undiscussed facet to the argument, yes? "
Not really. Its not a topic thats open for discussion. Its nobodys business.
"That's all well and good for those of us who have been here and witnessed the many incarnations of this argument. But for new apostles and doubting thomases, unless you plan on posting your creed atop each page of Bravo's board, making it a living testament to your manifesto, there's little hope of your apocrypha living outside the literary womb.
Color me Iscariot, but I'm just trying to play Devil's advocate."
A very Biblical response. Never been a fan of the devils adocate role some play for the sake of arguement. It seems they get so into it, even if they understand your viewpoint, they lose track of their feelings about the subject. Im all for discussing an issue but I feel their are better ways to do so. But thats just me.
"Good. I'm glad you feel that way, because that's all any of us can really claim, and not one of us has the right to expect anyone else here to do any differently."
With that said, was FF1 right in her post to nowvoyager? She cant be wrong, right? We can disagree yet both be right? Maybe Im looking at this too simply. What I saw as the Queen of the Flaming Trolls others might see as insightful meanderings. Who is right or wrong? I stand by my opinions. As I stated earlier, I plan on trying my best to not reply to nowvoyager. We do not agree on much of anything and we both have stated our opinions for all to see. No need to say them again. Now, I cant say this will work %100. I sometimes speak(type) before I think. Doesnt make anything I said untrue but there are better ways to say it.
brillke
tamarinden
October 6, 2006 - 02:37 AM
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I love the 20s and 30s clothes, but I like 40s stuff, too.
AI
You all astound me! I thought I was the only girl in the world who adored these things so much. Fashion from the 30's I adore very much too I love the more muscular players, such as Jean Marais, and Erroll Flynn (oh my!) Errol looked very nice in tights hehe Also Clark Gable, yes. The clothes for men and women were just amazing and I wish I had been born then.
For Glamor, I think Bette Davis
Merle Oberon, Katharine Hepburn, Audrey Hepburn, (yes I know she is 50's glamour) Lauren Bacall, Vivien Leigh, and Catherine Deneuve cannot be beat.
I love the clothes that
mmmm......men in tights
I love the women you mention, also Greta Garbo, Louise Brooks, Josephine Baker, Clara Bow, Marlene Dietrich. I love vintage clothes. I have a fairly large collection that I probably will never wear again due to my body's size and shape changing from developing a thyroid condition. I just got out my Tom Tierney Schiaparelli Fashion Review Paper Dolls in Full Color book! And my Vogue Photographers of the 20th Century (published in 1980.) It's funny, I love Gabrielle Chanel's clothes as much as I love Elsa Schiaparelli's. Schiaparelli hated Chanel, and called her "that bourgeoisie".Designers fighting is old news.
I also have vintage accessories, everything from a silver sequined 20s cloche hat to a 1951 or 1952 Schiaparelli hat with multi-colored satin bows around the rim (bought at a 1979 estate sale, paid .25, one of my best finds ever); to elbow length black kid gloves from the 50s with little cuffed slits all the way up to the top of the glove. I love my vintage jewelry, too. I like my glam elegant!
My hugest fashion moment was seeing an Edith Head fashion show less than a year before she died. She showed 12 gowns she had made for various movies (all different actresses) and then presented her most recent collection. She was a master of proportion, her clothes looked good on women 5'1" and women 6'1". She gave a lecture about dressing for the camera (read:how to make yourself look thinner) with examples worn on live models, then did a Q&A session with the audience. Going to this show was a birthday present from a dear friend (we went together). We got to meet Edith Head after the show. This show is one of my best memories, ever, hands down, no question about it.
AI
P.S. Tamarinden, may I adopt you?
AI! Your post is so lovely I will cherish this forever.
I would be an american girl then yes? hehe
You found a Schiaparelli hate for .25 woot! That must have been heaven and I would cherish that hat and take it out and wear it too! Elegance is eternal I think.
I am also amazed that you mention Louise Brooks! I just watched a special about her on TCM and my god was that woman beautiful. Her haircut alone is absolutely amazing. I now realize that all these years when I was looking at lovely photos of Clara Bow, it was Louise Brooks really and not Clara Bow. One of the great beauties.
My boyfriend thnks I am quite mad to love these things (he is so young only 19 lol ).
I am so very envious. You have met Edith Head? For me, she is almost as big a star as the stars themselves. When you look at old movies, its very hard to discern Edith Head clothes. She designed them to be perfect for the film. But sometimes when the movie had a girl that must look elegant, and my her clothes are thrilling. She did the clothes for Barbra Stanwyck (one of my faves) for The Lady Eve and also for Christmas in Connecticut, and I loved them. Edith head had such style! From her adorable little bangs to those round glasses, she looked like a movie star herself.
sigh Such lovely things to think about. Clothes are the statement we make about who we really are inside.
tamarinden
October 6, 2006 - 02:50 AM
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"Apologies in response to someone else's bargain extended, but I don't take prisoners, and I don't make deals I know I can't deliver on. "
No need to apologize. I didnt want you or anyone else to say "deal" and feel responsible if someone stepped over the line. I am no wordsmith and am sure I didnt say what I meant to say correctly. What I was trying to say is if I try to "play well with others" then please expect "others" to do the same. If they do not, I would hope the same words being said to FF1 would be said to them. Maybe they have been and my uneducated eye has somehow missed it.
"The thing is, it's seemed that, especially on this season's boards, a group of members comprised of a certain few have been increasingly prevalent in what's amounted to "lording it over" the rest. It amounts to remarks and language that make others feel as if the "select few" are deeming themselves "Board Mommies," feeling the need to smack hands and dole out "time out" punishments, when the only true "Board Mommy" is the Bravo Board Boss. He or She is a slow boss, yes, but it's the only boss we've got, and the only one we ultimately need answer to."
If you are implying I am one of the "board mommies", please say so. Otherwise, I can name about 30 people who post on these boards who fit this description. That includes you,me and nowvoyager.
"Anyone can choose to express an opinion, and anyone can choose to disagree, regardless of whether that opinion or that disagreement is popular, unpopular or downright offensive. Tolerance isn't really optional these days, so the fine line (read: chasm) between "Your opinion sucks, and here's why" and "Your opinion sucks, so you need to leave" is a lot more glaring than it was even just a year ago. "
This is my point exactly. Why was FF1 pointed out when she was doing exactly as you described? If anything is a go on this board, from board mommies to trolls, I guess we should not point out we think someone is wrong. Am I reading this right? It does seem some speak their minds more freely then others and is it ok to scold, for lack of a better word, one but not the other? It seems as if when the "board mommies" disagree, they are the ones to get pointed out as not allowing others to have opinions.
"After all, you never know when someone new is going to add a new and undiscussed facet to the argument, yes? "
Not really. Its not a topic thats open for discussion. Its nobodys business.
"That's all well and good for those of us who have been here and witnessed the many incarnations of this argument. But for new apostles and doubting thomases, unless you plan on posting your creed atop each page of Bravo's board, making it a living testament to your manifesto, there's little hope of your apocrypha living outside the literary womb.
Color me Iscariot, but I'm just trying to play Devil's advocate."
A very Biblical response. Never been a fan of the devils adocate role some play for the sake of arguement. It seems they get so into it, even if they understand your viewpoint, they lose track of their feelings about the subject. Im all for discussing an issue but I feel their are better ways to do so. But thats just me.
"Good. I'm glad you feel that way, because that's all any of us can really claim, and not one of us has the right to expect anyone else here to do any differently."
With that said, was FF1 right in her post to nowvoyager? She cant be wrong, right? We can disagree yet both be right? Maybe Im looking at this too simply. What I saw as the Queen of the Flaming Trolls others might see as insightful meanderings. Who is right or wrong? I stand by my opinions. As I stated earlier, I plan on trying my best to not reply to nowvoyager. We do not agree on much of anything and we both have stated our opinions for all to see. No need to say them again. Now, I cant say this will work %100. I sometimes speak(type) before I think. Doesnt make anything I said untrue but there are better ways to say it.
brillke
Nowvoyager is a board mommie for sure. But she isnt my mommie and her negativity turns me off.
Brillke I adore and she is just fun. A component that is lacking in Nowvoyagers makeup. Maybe because' she is sad, and I do feel sorry for her. But she is to my mind singlehandedly destroying the good times on this board.
kanigirrrrl
October 6, 2006 - 05:51 AM
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"Apologies in response to someone else's bargain extended, but I don't take prisoners, and I don't make deals I know I can't deliver on. "
No need to apologize. I didnt want you or anyone else to say "deal" and feel responsible if someone stepped over the line. I am no wordsmith and am sure I didnt say what I meant to say correctly. What I was trying to say is if I try to "play well with others" then please expect "others" to do the same. If they do not, I would hope the same words being said to FF1 would be said to them. Maybe they have been and my uneducated eye has somehow missed it.
"The thing is, it's seemed that, especially on this season's boards, a group of members comprised of a certain few have been increasingly prevalent in what's amounted to "lording it over" the rest. It amounts to remarks and language that make others feel as if the "select few" are deeming themselves "Board Mommies," feeling the need to smack hands and dole out "time out" punishments, when the only true "Board Mommy" is the Bravo Board Boss. He or She is a slow boss, yes, but it's the only boss we've got, and the only one we ultimately need answer to."
If you are implying I am one of the "board mommies", please say so. Otherwise, I can name about 30 people who post on these boards who fit this description. That includes you,me and nowvoyager.
"Anyone can choose to express an opinion, and anyone can choose to disagree, regardless of whether that opinion or that disagreement is popular, unpopular or downright offensive. Tolerance isn't really optional these days, so the fine line (read: chasm) between "Your opinion sucks, and here's why" and "Your opinion sucks, so you need to leave" is a lot more glaring than it was even just a year ago. "
This is my point exactly. Why was FF1 pointed out when she was doing exactly as you described? If anything is a go on this board, from board mommies to trolls, I guess we should not point out we think someone is wrong. Am I reading this right? It does seem some speak their minds more freely then others and is it ok to scold, for lack of a better word, one but not the other? It seems as if when the "board mommies" disagree, they are the ones to get pointed out as not allowing others to have opinions.
"After all, you never know when someone new is going to add a new and undiscussed facet to the argument, yes? "
Not really. Its not a topic thats open for discussion. Its nobodys business.
"That's all well and good for those of us who have been here and witnessed the many incarnations of this argument. But for new apostles and doubting thomases, unless you plan on posting your creed atop each page of Bravo's board, making it a living testament to your manifesto, there's little hope of your apocrypha living outside the literary womb.
Color me Iscariot, but I'm just trying to play Devil's advocate."
A very Biblical response. Never been a fan of the devils adocate role some play for the sake of arguement. It seems they get so into it, even if they understand your viewpoint, they lose track of their feelings about the subject. Im all for discussing an issue but I feel their are better ways to do so. But thats just me.
"Good. I'm glad you feel that way, because that's all any of us can really claim, and not one of us has the right to expect anyone else here to do any differently."
With that said, was FF1 right in her post to nowvoyager? She cant be wrong, right? We can disagree yet both be right? Maybe Im looking at this too simply. What I saw as the Queen of the Flaming Trolls others might see as insightful meanderings. Who is right or wrong? I stand by my opinions. As I stated earlier, I plan on trying my best to not reply to nowvoyager. We do not agree on much of anything and we both have stated our opinions for all to see. No need to say them again. Now, I cant say this will work %100. I sometimes speak(type) before I think. Doesnt make anything I said untrue but there are better ways to say it.
brillke
So asking Pacey to leave and "seek help" was ok because you thought the airing of his persoanal problems was inapropriate for this board but DCJewbear sharing his personal problems is ok and no need to ask him to leave? Sounds like someone who wants the board a certain "flavor" and let her suspicions override her openness to all.
"Actually, thats not what I said at all. When Did I say I wanted everyone to adhere the version of what I wanted the board to be? My one big issue is the constant harping on who has a right to have children and how crazy anyone who thinks moms are doing a very hard job is. This has been argued for weeks and common sense says both sides need to agree to disagree. No, instead it continues and pot shots are taken then denied they are pot shots. I dont care how you pretty it up, they are low blows meant to inflame. Ive never minded OT but when the OT that is being contantly harped on it such a personal decision and nobodys business, why are some still going on? I would never tell a women she must have a child/cannot have a child or how many she can have. Its not my right. To post the same agenda over and over has gotten tiresome. Weve all gotten the point. Lets agree to disagree already"
These very comments point out just how much you want the cake and eat it too. We seem to agree that on this board we can pretty much post whatever we want. Off topic, silliness or personal matters pertaining to posters lives. But then you continue the very arguement you want to end. It's not the content of the arguement that I have a problem with. It's the fact that you think that Nowvoyager or any of the many posters who respond to her should stop because YOUR common sense points you in that direction. You just said it in the quoted paragraph, "Let's agree to disagree". And FF1 declares "I repeat. This board is not an unlimited call to Dear Abby. " and "Give it a rest." Both of you are more than free to say those things but I suggest that perhaps thicker skin is in order when others disagree with your desires. Taking things so personally can't be good. And as you can see, Nowvoyager doesn't adhere to your party line, won't be driven from this board nor will others refrain to responding to her if they so choose. Nor would I direct any of my fellow posters to ignore someone they might be interested in talking to.
brillke
October 6, 2006 - 07:02 AM
"So asking Pacey to leave and "seek help" was ok because you thought the airing of his persoanal problems was inapropriate for this board but DCJewbear sharing his personal problems is ok and no need to ask him to leave? Sounds like someone who wants the board a certain "flavor" and let her suspicions override her openness to all."
When did I ask pacey to leave? Yes, I told him to please talk to his dr because nobody on this board was qualified to give him the help he needed. Wasnt that a more responsible thing to do then offer advice that could have hurt him? The only thing I ever told pacey to stop doing was if he stated an opinion, to stop replying directly after with an apology. To own his opinions. If he felt whatever ever emotion he had posted, it was valid. Yes his airing of his personal demons made me uncomfortable and I ended up scrolling past them most times. Whats intersting is you bringing paceys name into this. I had asked a very simple question "is this typical behavior for a board" on another site and you took issue with it. No idea why you reacted the way you did. As for DC airing his issues, it pertained to the show. We had found out Jeffrey was a recovering addict and DC related his experiances to it. He was explaing why he understood Jeffrey because he himself had been there. Choose any "flavor" you want, my suspicions are still there and I now know I am not the only one with the suspicions.
"" But then you continue the very arguement you want to end."
Not true in the least bit and just goes to show you are so completly not even reading what I am saying. First, Im not arguing. I thought we were having a discussion or is it only an argument if I am the one disagreeing? Second, I have yet to get an answer to several of my questions and I will continue to ask until one is given. If it is said in a way I can understand, then question answered. All Im getting in responce is I somehow want to silence nowvoyager yet want to eat cake.
"It's not the content of the arguement that I have a problem with. It's the fact that you think that Nowvoyager or any of the many posters who respond to her should stop because YOUR common sense points you in that direction."
But again, you prove my point for me. If thats how you feel, shouldnt FF1 be allowed to say she wants nowvoyager to drop it already? Isnt it wrong to say anything one poster wants to say is hunky dory but other posters cannot speak their mind? Isnt that a wee bit hypocritical? I think it is.
"You just said it in the quoted paragraph, "Let's agree to disagree". And FF1 declares "I repeat. This board is not an unlimited call to Dear Abby. " and "Give it a rest." Both of you are more than free to say those things but I suggest that perhaps thicker skin is in order when others disagree with your desires."
Is this for all posters or just those tired of nowvoyagers agenda?
"Taking things so personally can't be good. "
On this, I agree.
"And as you can see, Nowvoyager doesn't adhere to your party line, won't be driven from this board nor will others refrain to responding to her if they so choose."
Of cours not. How silly would it be to use common sense and to stop arguing over a subject that none of us have a right to even consider to be our business. I only expect the same rights that are being given to her to be given to all. If she is allowed to inlame, we should be allowed to call her on it, correct?
"Nor would I direct any of my fellow posters to ignore someone they might be interested in talking to. "
And I would assume then FF1 post and mine are then totaly acceptable and we "weasels" are allowed to say whatever we want.
I find it ironic that those who are talking about board mommies and the need for thicker skins are the very ones taking some to task for, are guilty of the very same crimes.
brillke
kanigirrrrl
October 6, 2006 - 08:20 AM
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"So asking Pacey to leave and "seek help" was ok because you thought the airing of his persoanal problems was inapropriate for this board but DCJewbear sharing his personal problems is ok and no need to ask him to leave? Sounds like someone who wants the board a certain "flavor" and let her suspicions override her openness to all."
When did I ask pacey to leave? Yes, I told him to please talk to his dr because nobody on this board was qualified to give him the help he needed. Wasnt that a more responsible thing to do then offer advice that could have hurt him? The only thing I ever told pacey to stop doing was if he stated an opinion, to stop replying directly after with an apology. To own his opinions. If he felt whatever ever emotion he had posted, it was valid. Yes his airing of his personal demons made me uncomfortable and I ended up scrolling past them most times. Whats intersting is you bringing paceys name into this. I had asked a very simple question "is this typical behavior for a board" on another site and you took issue with it. No idea why you reacted the way you did. As for DC airing his issues, it pertained to the show. We had found out Jeffrey was a recovering addict and DC related his experiances to it. He was explaing why he understood Jeffrey because he himself had been there. Choose any "flavor" you want, my suspicions are still there and I now know I am not the only one with the suspicions.
"" But then you continue the very arguement you want to end."
Not true in the least bit and just goes to show you are so completly not even reading what I am saying. First, Im not arguing. I thought we were having a discussion or is it only an argument if I am the one disagreeing? Second, I have yet to get an answer to several of my questions and I will continue to ask until one is given. If it is said in a way I can understand, then question answered. All Im getting in responce is I somehow want to silence nowvoyager yet want to eat cake.
"It's not the content of the arguement that I have a problem with. It's the fact that you think that Nowvoyager or any of the many posters who respond to her should stop because YOUR common sense points you in that direction."
But again, you prove my point for me. If thats how you feel, shouldnt FF1 be allowed to say she wants nowvoyager to drop it already? Isnt it wrong to say anything one poster wants to say is hunky dory but other posters cannot speak their mind? Isnt that a wee bit hypocritical? I think it is.
"You just said it in the quoted paragraph, "Let's agree to disagree". And FF1 declares "I repeat. This board is not an unlimited call to Dear Abby. " and "Give it a rest." Both of you are more than free to say those things but I suggest that perhaps thicker skin is in order when others disagree with your desires."
Is this for all posters or just those tired of nowvoyagers agenda?
"Taking things so personally can't be good. "
On this, I agree.
"And as you can see, Nowvoyager doesn't adhere to your party line, won't be driven from this board nor will others refrain to responding to her if they so choose."
Of cours not. How silly would it be to use common sense and to stop arguing over a subject that none of us have a right to even consider to be our business. I only expect the same rights that are being given to her to be given to all. If she is allowed to inlame, we should be allowed to call her on it, correct?
"Nor would I direct any of my fellow posters to ignore someone they might be interested in talking to. "
And I would assume then FF1 post and mine are then totaly acceptable and we "weasels" are allowed to say whatever we want.
I find it ironic that those who are talking about board mommies and the need for thicker skins are the very ones taking some to task for, are guilty of the very same crimes.
brillke
I was very uncomfortable with you expressing your suspicions of Pacey on whatever board. What do you care how and where and what Pacey posted. If you were uncomfortable why respond to him at all? What I took issue with was what seemed to me you looking for validation of your suspicions. How to "handle" him. Why would you need to ask that? To ask that question of 10 different posters and you would get 10 different answers. Not everyone is a troll or a flamer. More than likely they are hard headed, myself included. I can't imagine a world so constantly full of suspicions that a troll, flamer or whatever you feared lurks behind every post. I think you miss out on a lot.
I read your answer. Here's what you said: "My one big issue is the constant harping on who has a right to have children and how crazy anyone who thinks moms are doing a very hard job is. This has been argued for weeks and common sense says both sides need to agree to disagree. No, instead it continues and pot shots are taken then denied they are pot shots. I dont care how you pretty it up, they are low blows meant to inflame." Am I somehow misunderstanding that when you say "No, instead it continues..." you mean you want it to continue or you want it to stop? Are you telling me that if Nowvoyager never posted again to this board or any board you were a member of that you wouldn't dance the dance of happiness? Am I wrong in that also?
Again, FF1 can post whatever she wants but obedience to her directives is not something she should expect. Nor you. How many times do I have to say it?
What part of this statement don't you understand? Here's what I said: "Both of you are more than free to say those things but I suggest that perhaps thicker skin is in order when others disagree with your desires." What part of "free to say those things" is denying your ability to post?
You are free to call me a hypocrite but I think you are wrong.
Why do you think Nowvoyager has an "agenda"? Why can't she just have a different opinion and the hard headedness to follow it to whatever end she wants? Why can't Damsel respond to her as much as she wants?
You are so funny, weren't you the one demanding that Now answer your posts to her?? Why do you call yourself a weasel?
I do see your need to make a me a "criminal". I've kept many of my opinions to myself because it's just was'nt important enough in my opinion to express them. If you have questions of me, feel free to ask them. And just so you understand, one last time all posters on this board can post what they want. But they don't have to follow instructions to discontinue an arguement if they don't want to, they don't have to follow directions to post on a different thread, there are some rules that Bravo sets, not other posters. It's not hard to understand.
coloraturamom
October 6, 2006 - 02:42 PM
Was anyone else as APALLED as I was to find out that venomous Jeffrey is a father?? I would love to hear the lessons in his house on "respecting other children," "playing nice" and "treating others as you would like to be treated"....
While I don't deny that he is talented, his market niche is rather narrow. And really, any discussion of his design work gets completely overshadowed by his revolting personality. He's just not a nice person - and you can be one of those while still being driven, competitive, confident and completely inked up! Cynical does not have to equal mean.
tamarinden
October 6, 2006 - 03:46 PM
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Was anyone else as APALLED as I was to find out that venomous Jeffrey is a father?? I would love to hear the lessons in his house on "respecting other children," "playing nice" and "treating others as you would like to be treated"....
While I don't deny that he is talented, his market niche is rather narrow. And really, any discussion of his design work gets completely overshadowed by his revolting personality. He's just not a nice person - and you can be one of those while still being driven, competitive, confident and completely inked up! Cynical does not have to equal mean.
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His child seemed very sweet and from what I have seen, Jeffrey loves his child very much. Jeffrey has been through a tough life, lets despise what he says, but not him.
I do not like his attitude on PR but as some say, maybe its all his TV persona (I dont think so) Even if it turns out he is not nice, he may still be a good husband and father, and I respect his achievement.
I wish the Jeffrey fans would give poor Angela and her mother a little respect too. Its very irritating to see them villainized because they happen to be in a dispute with Jeffrey.
coloraturamom
October 6, 2006 - 04:51 PM
I respect Jeffrey's accomplishments - he runs a successful business, and as I have said, he has talent in my opinion and obviously the PR judges. Also, I know that while PR has a lighter touch in the editing room than many "reality" programs, I'm sure that his most colorful quotes are what make it into the program. He has just displayed such disrespect for some of the other designers that I think it's a bad example to set for a child. That's all.
p.s. I agree about Angela - seemed to be a genuinely nice person and probably why she garnered such attacks. Again, only judging from the episodes and we can't know these people from that!
FoodFanOne
October 6, 2006 - 05:07 PM
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FFI, I don't know if you saw my post...anyway I love the But'try cookbook,
Glad you enjoy it.
FoodFanOne
October 6, 2006 - 05:39 PM
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"So asking Pacey to leave and "seek help" was ok because you thought the airing of his persoanal problems was inapropriate for this board but DCJewbear sharing his personal problems is ok and no need to ask him to leave? Sounds like someone who wants the board a certain "flavor" and let her suspicions override her openness to all."
When did I ask pacey to leave? Yes, I told him to please talk to his dr because nobody on this board was qualified to give him the help he needed. Wasnt that a more responsible thing to do then offer advice that could have hurt him? The only thing I ever told pacey to stop doing was if he stated an opinion, to stop replying directly after with an apology. To own his opinions. If he felt whatever ever emotion he had posted, it was valid. Yes his airing of his personal demons made me uncomfortable and I ended up scrolling past them most times. Whats intersting is you bringing paceys name into this. I had asked a very simple question "is this typical behavior for a board" on another site and you took issue with it. No idea why you reacted the way you did. As for DC airing his issues, it pertained to the show. We had found out Jeffrey was a recovering addict and DC related his experiances to it. He was explaing why he understood Jeffrey because he himself had been there. Choose any "flavor" you want, my suspicions are still there and I now know I am not the only one with the suspicions.
"" But then you continue the very arguement you want to end."
Not true in the least bit and just goes to show you are so completly not even reading what I am saying. First, Im not arguing. I thought we were having a discussion or is it only an argument if I am the one disagreeing? Second, I have yet to get an answer to several of my questions and I will continue to ask until one is given. If it is said in a way I can understand, then question answered. All Im getting in responce is I somehow want to silence nowvoyager yet want to eat cake.
"It's not the content of the arguement that I have a problem with. It's the fact that you think that Nowvoyager or any of the many posters who respond to her should stop because YOUR common sense points you in that direction."
But again, you prove my point for me. If thats how you feel, shouldnt FF1 be allowed to say she wants nowvoyager to drop it already? Isnt it wrong to say anything one poster wants to say is hunky dory but other posters cannot speak their mind? Isnt that a wee bit hypocritical? I think it is.
"You just said it in the quoted paragraph, "Let's agree to disagree". And FF1 declares "I repeat. This board is not an unlimited call to Dear Abby. " and "Give it a rest." Both of you are more than free to say those things but I suggest that perhaps thicker skin is in order when others disagree with your desires."
Is this for all posters or just those tired of nowvoyagers agenda?
"Taking things so personally can't be good. "
On this, I agree.
"And as you can see, Nowvoyager doesn't adhere to your party line, won't be driven from this board nor will others refrain to responding to her if they so choose."
Of cours not. How silly would it be to use common sense and to stop arguing over a subject that none of us have a right to even consider to be our business. I only expect the same rights that are being given to her to be given to all. If she is allowed to inlame, we should be allowed to call her on it, correct?
"Nor would I direct any of my fellow posters to ignore someone they might be interested in talking to. "
And I would assume then FF1 post and mine are then totaly acceptable and we "weasels" are allowed to say whatever we want.
I find it ironic that those who are talking about board mommies and the need for thicker skins are the very ones taking some to task for, are guilty of the very same crimes.
brillke
I was very uncomfortable with you expressing your suspicions of Pacey on whatever board. What do you care how and where and what Pacey posted. If you were uncomfortable why respond to him at all? What I took issue with was what seemed to me you looking for validation of your suspicions. How to "handle" him. Why would you need to ask that? To ask that question of 10 different posters and you would get 10 different answers. Not everyone is a troll or a flamer. More than likely they are hard headed, myself included. I can't imagine a world so constantly full of suspicions that a troll, flamer or whatever you feared lurks behind every post. I think you miss out on a lot.
I read your answer. Here's what you said: "My one big issue is the constant harping on who has a right to have children and how crazy anyone who thinks moms are doing a very hard job is. This has been argued for weeks and common sense says both sides need to agree to disagree. No, instead it continues and pot shots are taken then denied they are pot shots. I dont care how you pretty it up, they are low blows meant to inflame." Am I somehow misunderstanding that when you say "No, instead it continues..." you mean you want it to continue or you want it to stop? Are you telling me that if Nowvoyager never posted again to this board or any board you were a member of that you wouldn't dance the dance of happiness? Am I wrong in that also?
Again, FF1 can post whatever she wants but obedience to her directives is not something she should expect. Nor you. How many times do I have to say it?
What part of this statement don't you understand? Here's what I said: "Both of you are more than free to say those things but I suggest that perhaps thicker skin is in order when others disagree with your desires." What part of "free to say those things" is denying your ability to post?
You are free to call me a hypocrite but I think you are wrong.
Why do you think Nowvoyager has an "agenda"? Why can't she just have a different opinion and the hard headedness to follow it to whatever end she wants? Why can't Damsel respond to her as much as she wants?
You are so funny, weren't you the one demanding that Now answer your posts to her?? Why do you call yourself a weasel?
I do see your need to make a me a "criminal". I've kept many of my opinions to myself because it's just was'nt important enough in my opinion to express them. If you have questions of me, feel free to ask them. And just so you understand, one last time all posters on this board can post what they want. But they don't have to follow instructions to discontinue an arguement if they don't want to, they don't have to follow directions to post on a different thread, there are some rules that Bravo sets, not other posters. It's not hard to understand.
Okay, was that the "gotcha," or was that the "last"?
We can all agree to disagree, and anybody can say what they want. Anybody else can trash other people's opinions but all would prefer that the the poster not get personally trashed in the process. Otherwise everybody's feelings start to get hurt and a long-winded squabble about who said what, who was misquoted, etc. ensues. Cats and dogs start doing it with each other, and the world starts coming to an end.
Do we have to write another encyclopedia about it, or can everybody move from "gotcha last" to "had enough"?
I'm just asking.
brillke
October 6, 2006 - 09:48 PM
"I was very uncomfortable with you expressing your suspicions of Pacey on whatever board. "
As uncomfortable as I was with the whole mom arguement?
So, because I ask a question that makes you uncomfortable on an entirely different board, you feel the need to call me on it, on this board? Isnt that EXACTLY what I did with nowvoyager, well except I didnt bring something from one board to another.
" What do you care how and where and what Pacey posted."
Why do you care what I say to nowvoyager or anyone else? As I stated on the other board, never been on boards before TC and I found paceys post to be odd. Wanted to know if stuff like that happens typicaly on boards. Simple question I thought but somehow it got twisted.
" What I took issue with was what seemed to me you looking for validation of your suspicions."
Why did you take issue with a simple question? If I want to seek validation, do I need to ask the Board Boss for permission to do so?
"Why would you need to ask that?"
Because I wanted to.
"Not everyone is a troll or a flamer."
Yup, I agree.
" I can't imagine a world so constantly full of suspicions that a troll, flamer or whatever you feared lurks behind every post. I think you miss out on a lot."
Dont assume anything. I lead a very full, happy life. only thing Im missing out on is fitting into smaller clothes.
" Am I somehow misunderstanding that when you say "No, instead it continues..." you mean you want it to continue or you want it to stop? "
Yes, you are misunderstanding me. I dont see how you read it as I possibly mean I want it to continue. Seemed pretty clear to me.
"Are you telling me that if Nowvoyager never posted again to this board or any board you were a member of that you wouldn't dance the dance of happiness? Am I wrong in that also?"
Hell no your not wrong. I would be happy as a hog in slop but do I think that would ever happen? Nope. Im not delusional. Think I also made that point pretty clear as well.
"Again, FF1 can post whatever she wants but obedience to her directives is not something she should expect. Nor you. How many times do I have to say it?"
As many times as I have to keep saying what goes for one poster, goes for all the posters.
"What part of this statement don't you understand?"
It would appear to be most of it I guess.
"You are free to call me a hypocrite but I think you are wrong."
Im cool with that.
"Why do you think Nowvoyager has an "agenda"? "
Hmm, maybe because its my opinion. If Im free to express it like anybody else, guess youll have to thicken your skin.
"Why can't she just have a different opinion and the hard headedness to follow it to whatever end she wants? "
Ok, works for me. Im gonna use that description for myself too.
"Why can't Damsel respond to her as much as she wants?"
I dunno. Did someone take her keyboard away?
"You are so funny, weren't you the one demanding that Now answer your posts to her??
Demanding? No, I found it funny as hell she didnt had the nerve to reply when I took her advice and proved her wrong. Never demanded anything.
"Why do you call yourself a weasel?"
Its nowvoyagers pet name for myself and others that dare disagree with her so I borrowed it. I will be sure to give her proper credit if I am ever to use the term again in the future.
"I do see your need to make a me a "criminal"."
Nope, I dont need to do a damn thing. I used the term "crime" earlier and it was for lack of a better word. Just like when I used the word "scold". I said I was no wordsmith.
"I've kept many of my opinions to myself because it's just was'nt important enough in my opinion to express them. "
Thats fine, its your call.
"If you have questions of me, feel free to ask them. "
Well, Ive asked many but if I have more, will do.
"And just so you understand, one last time all posters on this board can post what they want. "
My point from the get. That whole goose-gander arguement thing.
"But they don't have to follow instructions to discontinue an arguement if they don't want to, they don't have to follow directions to post on a different thread, there are some rules that Bravo sets, not other posters. "
Yup. Its amazing how much we actually agree.
"It's not hard to understand. "
I didnt think it was. Clear as a friggen bell to me.
brillke
IronChef
October 6, 2006 - 10:01 PM
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No need to apologize. I didnt want you or anyone else to say "deal" and feel responsible if someone stepped over the line. I am no wordsmith and am sure I didnt say what I meant to say correctly. What I was trying to say is if I try to "play well with others" then please expect "others" to do the same. If they do not, I would hope the same words being said to FF1 would be said to them. Maybe they have been and my uneducated eye has somehow missed it.
I'm really not trying to battle semantics, but what you've just said above sounds an awful lot like what nowvoyager has said several times before. I recall her stating something to the effect that she treats people with respect and expects the same in return, but that if she's treated with less than dignity, she has no problem with returning the favor in kind.
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If you are implying I am one of the "board mommies", please say so. Otherwise, I can name about 30 people who post on these boards who fit this description. That includes you,me and nowvoyager.
I make no bones about the fact that I can be less than hospitable. I can be a downright divabitch when I'm riled up, and I don't have a problem owning up to that. But aside from Smegmaking, I can't recall ever saying that someone needed to leave for expressing opinions, and I never attempted to show anyone the door after smacking their fingertips. I can be a "board mommy" at times, and I can admit to it. Whether you recognize the tendency in yourself is up to you, it's not my call.
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This is my point exactly. Why was FF1 pointed out when she was doing exactly as you described? If anything is a go on this board, from board mommies to trolls, I guess we should not point out we think someone is wrong. Am I reading this right? It does seem some speak their minds more freely then others and is it ok to scold, for lack of a better word, one but not the other? It seems as if when the "board mommies" disagree, they are the ones to get pointed out as not allowing others to have opinions.
Wait, did I ever bring up FF1's name in this? I don't believe I did. Did I miss something?
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Not really. Its not a topic thats open for discussion. Its nobodys business.
Until someone wants to make it their business, which a number of people have. No one person decides whether a topic is open for discussion or not, unless the topic has to do with them personally and no one else. It's that kind of "It's not open for discussion. Why? Because I say so" mentality that I think is being called into question lately.
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A very Biblical response.
Thanks. I took a lot of religion classes in college. I guess something must have stuck.
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Never been a fan of the devils adocate role some play for the sake of arguement. It seems they get so into it, even if they understand your viewpoint, they lose track of their feelings about the subject. Im all for discussing an issue but I feel their are better ways to do so. But thats just me.
So ... are you saying you think I'm playing a role for the sake of argument, and that I've lost my objectivity? Hmm ...
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With that said, was FF1 right in her post to nowvoyager? She cant be wrong, right? We can disagree yet both be right? Maybe Im looking at this too simply. What I saw as the Queen of the Flaming Trolls others might see as insightful meanderings. Who is right or wrong? I stand by my opinions. As I stated earlier, I plan on trying my best to not reply to nowvoyager. We do not agree on much of anything and we both have stated our opinions for all to see. No need to say them again. Now, I cant say this will work %100. I sometimes speak(type) before I think. Doesnt make anything I said untrue but there are better ways to say it.
brillke
Again, how and when has FF1 become the crux of this? I don't think I ever said anything about a post of FF1's, and my comments about nowvoyager have been in the broadest sense. So, why does FF1 keep popping up as a prominent figure? Pardon my ignorance, too, but who is this "Queen of The Flaming Trolls?" And does she have my tiara? Because the last I knew, Elrond borrowed it, and now I have nothing to wear to the Elven Homecoming.
FoodFanOne
October 6, 2006 - 10:20 PM
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No need to apologize. I didnt want you or anyone else to say "deal" and feel responsible if someone stepped over the line. I am no wordsmith and am sure I didnt say what I meant to say correctly. What I was trying to say is if I try to "play well with others" then please expect "others" to do the same. If they do not, I would hope the same words being said to FF1 would be said to them. Maybe they have been and my uneducated eye has somehow missed it.
I'm really not trying to battle semantics, but what you've just said above sounds an awful lot like what nowvoyager has said several times before. I recall her stating something to the effect that she treats people with respect and expects the same in return, but that if she's treated with less than dignity, she has no problem with returning the favor in kind.
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If you are implying I am one of the "board mommies", please say so. Otherwise, I can name about 30 people who post on these boards who fit this description. That includes you,me and nowvoyager.
I make no bones about the fact that I can be less than hospitable. I can be a downright divabitch when I'm riled up, and I don't have a problem owning up to that. But aside from Smegmaking, I can't recall ever saying that someone needed to leave for expressing opinions, and I never attempted to show anyone the door after smacking their fingertips. I can be a "board mommy" at times, and I can admit to it. Whether you recognize the tendency in yourself is up to you, it's not my call.
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This is my point exactly. Why was FF1 pointed out when she was doing exactly as you described? If anything is a go on this board, from board mommies to trolls, I guess we should not point out we think someone is wrong. Am I reading this right? It does seem some speak their minds more freely then others and is it ok to scold, for lack of a better word, one but not the other? It seems as if when the "board mommies" disagree, they are the ones to get pointed out as not allowing others to have opinions.
Wait, did I ever bring up FF1's name in this? I don't believe I did. Did I miss something?
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Not really. Its not a topic thats open for discussion. Its nobodys business.
Until someone wants to make it their business, which a number of people have. No one person decides whether a topic is open for discussion or not, unless the topic has to do with them personally and no one else. It's that kind of "It's not open for discussion. Why? Because I say so" mentality that I think is being called into question lately.
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A very Biblical response.
Thanks. I took a lot of religion classes in college. I guess something must have stuck.
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Never been a fan of the devils adocate role some play for the sake of arguement. It seems they get so into it, even if they understand your viewpoint, they lose track of their feelings about the subject. Im all for discussing an issue but I feel their are better ways to do so. But thats just me.
So ... are you saying you think I'm playing a role for the sake of argument, and that I've lost my objectivity? Hmm ...
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With that said, was FF1 right in her post to nowvoyager? She cant be wrong, right? We can disagree yet both be right? Maybe Im looking at this too simply. What I saw as the Queen of the Flaming Trolls others might see as insightful meanderings. Who is right or wrong? I stand by my opinions. As I stated earlier, I plan on trying my best to not reply to nowvoyager. We do not agree on much of anything and we both have stated our opinions for all to see. No need to say them again. Now, I cant say this will work %100. I sometimes speak(type) before I think. Doesnt make anything I said untrue but there are better ways to say it.
brillke
Again, how and when has FF1 become the crux of this? I don't think I ever said anything about a post of FF1's, and my comments about nowvoyager have been in the broadest sense. So, why does FF1 keep popping up as a prominent figure? Pardon my ignorance, too, but who is this "Queen of The Flaming Trolls?" And does she have my tiara? Because the last I knew, Elrond borrowed it, and now I have nothing to wear to the Elven Homecoming.
And on again.
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Lia, you seem to be on a messianic mission to rip Brillke's every word to shreds today.
"ImakenobonesaboutthefactthatIcanbelessthanhospitableIcan
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My eyeballs are falling out here. This whole discussion is beginning to sound like Kayne.
Next subject, please.
IronChef
October 6, 2006 - 10:22 PM
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Okay, was that the "gotcha," or was that the "last"?
I don't know, but I love that movie! I caught "Gotcha" again for about the trillionth time the other night, and I was hooked again from the get-go, especially in those first few minutes! "Gotcha," starring Anthony Edwards and Linda Fiorentino--it's pure, 1985 fun, and there's that goofy, catchy song too!
Your eyes
Pierce my heart
Let's play spies
In the dark
I want you now
More than ever boy
And it's not my style to wait for long
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
Take aim
Be smart
With games of the heart
And just be aware
Not everyone plays fair
And love can come from anywhere
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
And just be aware
Not everyone plays fair
And love can come from anywhere
Yeah!
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
Oh, Gotcha!
Gotcha!
Gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
IronChef
October 6, 2006 - 10:39 PM
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And on again.
And on again.
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And on again.
Lia, you seem to be on a messianic mission to rip Brillke's every word to shreds today.
Me?? Oh, I'm hardly the missionary to stone today, but go right ahead, I've obviously got a hard enough noggin.
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Wow, FF1 ... rude much? Because that's about the rudest thing I've ever seen posted here. And to think, they actually had the nerve to call Keith "Rude Law." I'm impressed, though--to think that you'd take the time to edit my post like that just to prove a point makes me all warm and fuzzy.
I'd just like to ask one thing, though. When, exactly, was it that you decided I was your enemy? Because I guess I wasn't in on that particular memo, just the resulting fallout.
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My eyeballs are falling out here. This whole discussion is beginning to sound like Kayne.
Swear? Double swear??? 'Cause there are folks keeping track, I think. Kayne may even be among them.
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Next subject, please.
:::taps on glass::: Hello! If you'd like another subject, please at least have the forethought to suggest one. What kind of board mommy doesn't at least know that much?
FoodFanOne
October 6, 2006 - 10:42 PM
So sorry, not engaging. Go attack somebody else. Or better yet, suggest you take some happy pills and come back with some of your patented humorous posts.
Kind miss those.
IronChef
October 6, 2006 - 11:07 PM
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So sorry, not engaging. Go attack somebody else. Or better yet, suggest you take some happy pills and come back with some of your patented humorous posts.
Kind miss those.
No. You made it personal. I didn't. Why not let Brillke fight her own battles? What you posted in reply to me was rude and disrespectful. All I ever did was challenge, but you chose to attack, and with sarcasm and a nasty bite.
You want to suggest I take happy pills? Well, Alice, I suggest you take up the bottle marked "Reasonable & Rational: Eat Me," and give it a good go.
I'm sorry you miss them, but I don't have a patent on humorous posts. Maybe Carlin likes PR, or maybe Howie can take a break from his new gig for a laugh. "Deal Or No Deal's" slipping in the ratings, I think.
FoodFanOne
October 6, 2006 - 11:11 PM
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
IronChef
October 6, 2006 - 11:16 PM
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So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
So sorry, not engaging. Please leave a message after the beep. Beeeeeeep.
Well, now, that's surely the "mature" way to answer. Why am I not at all surprised? :::BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!:::
ArtInstigator
October 7, 2006 - 12:10 AM
Umm...hey guys!..........um..........this has been going on for 6 pages of thread......I was gonna make a joke earlier.........ya'll sound like Angela and Jeffrey.............why dontcha get a room?.............but it's not funny anymore.............ya'll are just starting to sound real ugly to me......seems like you all care very much regardless of the subject of these posts.................is this really about PR and this board?..........hmm......
FoodFanOne
October 7, 2006 - 12:51 AM
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Umm...hey guys!..........um..........this has been going on for 6 pages of thread......I was gonna make a joke earlier.........ya'll sound like Angela and Jeffrey.............why dontcha get a room?.............but it's not funny anymore.............ya'll are just starting to sound real ugly to me......seems like you all care very much regardless of the subject of these posts.................is this really about PR and this board?..........hmm......
I would like for the ugliness to stop as well. But, as you can see, my little joke tonight fell flat and I got the knives and 2,000 sledghammers turned against me, instead.
I thought people got loopy during the full moon, not mean. Must be something in the water.
I'd really like to see eveybody talking about the show.
kanigirrrrl
October 7, 2006 - 05:59 AM
Fan-freaking-tastic!
So we all agree, ALL posters can post as they choose and ALL posters are free to ignore requests to report other posters to the Board Admin, free to ignore things such as Da Rules, free to be the adults that we are. And I guess some posters are free to be inflamable.
Can't wait for the Top Chef 2 boards. Oh it's gonna be hot.
brillke
October 7, 2006 - 08:19 AM
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Okay, was that the "gotcha," or was that the "last"?
I don't know, but I love that movie! I caught "Gotcha" again for about the trillionth time the other night, and I was hooked again from the get-go, especially in those first few minutes! "Gotcha," starring Anthony Edwards and Linda Fiorentino--it's pure, 1985 fun, and there's that goofy, catchy song too!
Your eyes
Pierce my heart
Let's play spies
In the dark
I want you now
More than ever boy
And it's not my style to wait for long
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
Take aim
Be smart
With games of the heart
And just be aware
Not everyone plays fair
And love can come from anywhere
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
And just be aware
Not everyone plays fair
And love can come from anywhere
Yeah!
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
Gotcha where I want ya
Too late to talk right now
Gotcha!
And you getcha, getcha, got me
Gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
Oh, Gotcha!
Gotcha!
Gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
G-g-g-gotcha!
I love it when Edwards is trying to explain things to his parents and his dad is so angry about his new camera getting ruined, they ask him if he is on drugs. His reply, "yes, I sprinkle cocaine on my cornflakes" still makes me laugh.
brillke
brillke
October 7, 2006 - 09:13 AM
"I'm really not trying to battle semantics, but what you've just said above sounds an awful lot like what nowvoyager has said several times before. I recall her stating something to the effect that she treats people with respect and expects the same in return, but that if she's treated with less than dignity, she has no problem with returning the favor in kind."
It does appear be a battle of semantics to me but if needed, I will try to explain it again, just let me know. Yes, nowvoyager said something similar but when I took her advice a proved she lied, she suddenly couldnt read my post. How funny is that?
"I make no bones about the fact that I can be less than hospitable. I can be a downright divabitch when I'm riled up, and I don't have a problem owning up to that. But aside from Smegmaking, I can't recall ever saying that someone needed to leave for expressing opinions, and I never attempted to show anyone the door after smacking their fingertips. I can be a "board mommy" at times, and I can admit to it. Whether you recognize the tendency in yourself is up to you, it's not my call."
Oh Lia, Im a [expletive deleted] and own that title with pride. Not ashamed of it in the least bit. As for board mommie, hmm, no, I dont think I am, but it did seem as if my joking with brad appeared that way to him. I did try to correct the situation but I cant force anyone to not be angry, just like I cant force anyone to not post. Sure, Ive made the "troll, you need to find a new bridge" type post and would have loved for them to take my advice, but do I expect them to go away? Hell no. As Ive said, Im not delusional. If thats being a board mommie, ok, I fit the description.
"Wait, did I ever bring up FF1's name in this? I don't believe I did. Did I miss something? "
The below quote is what started this whole discussion. It all started with FF1`s request for nowvoyager to change her record.
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Nowvoyager, change your record. You persist in taking every little damn thing personally, even if it wasn't meant that way, and take up yards of board space in self defense and justification. This isn't an unlimited telephone call to Dear Abby.
Talk about the show.
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I'm sorry FF1, but I think we need to rethink that supposition. We have all gone woefully OT on many occasions, myself included, and while nowvoyager's views may not be the most popular, we need to rememeber that this forum has provided any of us who would avail ourselves of it a place to put forth, discuss and debate our personal views at will. Nowvoyager is and should be as welcome as anyone else to outline and fill in the views seen as personally important and worthy of discussion and debate.
I don't always agree with nowvoyager's views and opinions, but I respect them as views that are as equally important and worthy as my own. Agree or disagree with them at will, but don't discount them, ridicule them or make them any less worthy of discussion should someone want to engage in such discussion.
We're all different, and we come from different worlds with different codes of conduct. Let's at least recognize that difference, and try to come to terms with it before we condemn anyone for what we see as "outside" what's routinely acceptible.
Lia
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"Until someone wants to make it their business, which a number of people have. No one person decides whether a topic is open for discussion or not, unless the topic has to do with them personally and no one else. It's that kind of "It's not open for discussion. Why? Because I say so" mentality that I think is being called into question lately."
I disagree. People can pretend they have a right to be involved in that paticular discussion but the Supreme Court says otherwise.
"Thanks. I took a lot of religion classes in college. I guess something must have stuck."
I only took one myself but had a great teacher and enjoyed the class.
"So ... are you saying you think I'm playing a role for the sake of argument, and that I've lost my objectivity? Hmm ..."
I said I wasnt a fan of the devils advocate roll for arguments sake. As for your objectivity, not sure. I do know both you and I have lost our sense of fun.
"Again, how and when has FF1 become the crux of this? "
Explained that earlier.
" and my comments about nowvoyager have been in the broadest sense."
As have been my whats good for one poster, is good for all posters statements.
" Pardon my ignorance, too, but who is this "Queen of The Flaming Trolls?" "
As I stated, nowvoyager is Queen of the Flaming Trolls. Since its my opinion, I have every right to say it, right?
"And does she have my tiara?"
Not sure about that but, one year, I bought all my nieces a tiara. They loved them. My sisters, sister in law and I borrowed them and had a blast. Think everyone who wants a tiara should have one. You cant help but smile while wearing one.
brillke
brillke
October 7, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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Fan-freaking-tastic!
So we all agree, ALL posters can post as they choose and ALL posters are free to ignore requests to report other posters to the Board Admin, free to ignore things such as Da Rules, free to be the adults that we are. And I guess some posters are free to be inflamable.
Can't wait for the Top Chef 2 boards. Oh it's gonna be hot.
Yup, everything has been voluntary, with the exception of the BoardBoss rules, from the get. As for being free to be adults, we shall see. Also, yup, posters are free to be inflamable and others are free to troll bash.
Cant wait for TC 2 either,
brillke
nowvoyager
October 7, 2006 - 01:53 PM
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Fan-freaking-tastic!
So we all agree, ALL posters can post as they choose and ALL posters are free to ignore requests to report other posters to the Board Admin, free to ignore things such as Da Rules, free to be the adults that we are. And I guess some posters are free to be inflamable.
Can't wait for the Top Chef 2 boards. Oh it's gonna be hot.
WOW. So this is what goes on after I stop visiting an episode thread.
Honestly, I had no idea I was the inspiration for this level of discussion about board and posting etiquette, but I'm glad it took place no matter the reason.
I even read most of brilke's posts, something I stopped doing quite a while ago, after realizing that her seeming intention was to be as nasty to me as possible and encourage others to act accordingly. I never knew she paid so much attention to what I post! I am not sure what "lies" she "proved" I told, but I can guess that such 'proof' is in her mind only.
Anyway.
Moving on to the next thread, the reunion thread, I'm pleased that this one has had the effect of keeping posters on the impersonal track. By that I mean that those who are friends stay friends and post to each other as friends, while not antagonizing those to whom they post as not-friends.
I still don't read some posters' posts; find it much safer to think of them as not there, but like to assume that even they have been civil.
Thank you ,everyone. I realize that this discussion isn't on my behalf, but on the behalf of everyone who ever felt like they were attacked out of turn, and that's enough for me.
kanigirrrrl
October 7, 2006 - 05:51 PM
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Fan-freaking-tastic!
So we all agree, ALL posters can post as they choose and ALL posters are free to ignore requests to report other posters to the Board Admin, free to ignore things such as Da Rules, free to be the adults that we are. And I guess some posters are free to be inflamable.
Can't wait for the Top Chef 2 boards. Oh it's gonna be hot.
WOW. So this is what goes on after I stop visiting an episode thread.
Honestly, I had no idea I was the inspiration for this level of discussion about board and posting etiquette, but I'm glad it took place no matter the reason.
I even read most of brilke's posts, something I stopped doing quite a while ago, after realizing that her seeming intention was to be as nasty to me as possible and encourage others to act accordingly. I never knew she paid so much attention to what I post! I am not sure what "lies" she "proved" I told, but I can guess that such 'proof' is in her mind only.
Anyway.
Moving on to the next thread, the reunion thread, I'm pleased that this one has had the effect of keeping posters on the impersonal track. By that I mean that those who are friends stay friends and post to each other as friends, while not antagonizing those to whom they post as not-friends.
I still don't read some posters' posts; find it much safer to think of them as not there, but like to assume that even they have been civil.
Thank you ,everyone. I realize that this discussion isn't on my behalf, but on the behalf of everyone who ever felt like they were attacked out of turn, and that's enough for me.
You are welcome. I have had an incredible Bravo-filled day that has left a huge smile on my face. Karma baby, it's all about the karma that rolls back around. I am wishing you nothing but good karma for you and your well cared for hound.
jitteryjewel
October 7, 2006 - 08:45 PM
Are we all going to make it until TC 2 premieres? LOL! I'm sure most of the posters carry over right? Are we still arguing over...arguing LOL! I love it! I'm sorry guys and I'm not trying to be mean or insultful but the continuation of this board is arguing about arguing LOL! At least come over to the new thread and kick my A$$ around about how well you despise Jeffery and I'm wrong LOL! I'm not trying to instigate just redirect the frustration and anger in a difrent direction. Board Mommies, Daddies, Grannies and third cousins twice removed welcomed! JJK!
kanigirrrrl
October 8, 2006 - 06:47 AM
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Are we all going to make it until TC 2 premieres? LOL! I'm sure most of the posters carry over right? Are we still arguing over...arguing LOL! I love it! I'm sorry guys and I'm not trying to be mean or insultful but the continuation of this board is arguing about arguing LOL! At least come over to the new thread and kick my A$$ around about how well you despise Jeffery and I'm wrong LOL! I'm not trying to instigate just redirect the frustration and anger in a difrent direction. Board Mommies, Daddies, Grannies and third cousins twice removed welcomed! JJK!
Yes it's true we were arguing about arguing. But believe me there was also subtext galore, friendships, loyalty, secrets and lies. Sounds like any of Bravo's reality shows. But we WILL make it to the TC 2 premieres. I am looking forward to everyones take on cooking up drama. I will leave your ass kicking on the fashion front to those who enjoy that sort of thing. Come TC time though, you better bring it with some high heat.
jitteryjewel
October 8, 2006 - 06:56 AM
Lol! It's on! Have a good Sunday everyone!
IronChef
October 9, 2006 - 04:26 PM
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I would like for the ugliness to stop as well. But, as you can see, my little joke tonight fell flat
"Little Joke?" Well, for a little joke, it sure packed a serious wallop. "Knock knock ... who's there ...?" That's a "little joke." What you said felt pretty damned serious to me, and it felt about as far away from a "joke" as anyone could get. But maybe I just have a defective funny bone.
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and I got the knives and 2,000 sledghammers turned against me, instead.
Do they hurt, those knives and sledgehammers? Well, if so, maybe you get a sense of what it feels like to be in my position at the brunt of your "little joke."
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I thought people got loopy during the full moon, not mean. Must be something in the water.
And since you're one of the ones who "got mean," maybe you should take a look in the mirror next time you make that assumption. If you can't see how hurtful what you said was, then I'm afraid the moon has no hope for you.
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I'd really like to see eveybody talking about the show.
Because you want the "uncomfortable" spotlight shifted, I can totally understand that. Well, spell answered.
"Consider it done, Samantha. Love, Endora"
Spud
October 9, 2006 - 07:05 PM
Would one of ya'll (in my best southern drawl)
PLEASE !!!!
Go to the other board and send me the link to get back there.
I don't know what email account I used there to sign up so you can just shoot it to my spam catcher acct. - p_pabst2000@yahoo.com
I had a computer splat and I lost everything
I miss you all !!!!!!!
Spud
ArtInstigator
October 9, 2006 - 08:16 PM
BTW, I have an entire room in our place that's papered in nothing but Tom Tierney fashion paper dolls from top to bottom on all four walls, and I've started on the ceiling. I've been collecting them for as many decades as I've been collecting the fashions themselves, and I always buy a copy to cut and a copy to keep. Tom Tierney is a god. Just thought I'd put that out there.
Lia
Lia, I can't begin to tell you how impressed I am. And envious! Dang, girl! I have a few Tom Tierney books, but nothing like that. Where do you live again? lol
AI
brillke
October 9, 2006 - 08:30 PM
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Would one of ya'll (in my best southern drawl)
PLEASE !!!!
Go to the other board and send me the link to get back there.
I don't know what email account I used there to sign up so you can just shoot it to my spam catcher acct. - p_pabst2000@yahoo.com
I had a computer splat and I lost everything
I miss you all !!!!!!!
Spud
Heya spud, missed ya too.
http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=17555
Pseunsestence
August 30, 2009 - 03:43 AM
To start with- thank you for the chat yesterday I loved it. I did start taken a photo a day on April 1 and have done photo a day, and this morning I took an idea from Lauren and too a photo of my breakfast - never thought of that really. But not sure why I should post my photo and not just the lo?
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