notevayas
September 30, 2006 - 04:51 AM
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It's all very silly when you look at it hard enough. I guess the internet is the new Tower of Babel? Well, time to make the coffee..
notevayas
Good Morning Note,
I don't think you owe an apology to anyone. You responded the way you were feeling. I once tried to communicate with nowvoyager that her opinions were not the problem--it was the way she responded when someone disagreed with her--resorting to name calling and personal attacks. I believe she responded that I was so full of crap and told me I had no backbone (or something to that effect).
Raising my coffee cup to you!
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Thanks PsychD. I don't know. I just lost my temper and left a mess for others to deal with while I cooled off. I don't mean that everyone else was wrong in their approach. I just have to say what feels right to me regardless. And it's a beautiful morning like mainer says, and I am too lazy to be mad at some words at the moment. But there is always that potential, and I can't lecture anyone else for blowing off steam now can I?
notevayas
tamarinden
September 30, 2006 - 05:12 AM
Good morning to all
It is a lovely day today and life is good Am relishing the next three weeks to come of PR, it should be amazing.
Here's wishing luck to all of them!! Especially Laura, whom I adore
sctck
September 30, 2006 - 05:21 AM
Bridesmaids Dresses! That's perfect!
dogabone
September 30, 2006 - 05:26 AM
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Bridesmaids Dresses! That's perfect!
But to be appropriate and realistic, the win should go to the ugliest dress, and the guest judge should be an upcoming bride and not one of her bridesmaids!
sctck
September 30, 2006 - 05:27 AM
Very possible. I'm new so I haven't read through all the posts. But Children's clothing is a factor for MANY of us out there.
There are some other great ideas I've seen out there. The idea of introducing some menswear is great! In season 1 when they had to design for each Cloe did a great job and it was a tougher challenge for her.
I would love to see more diversity than Elle and Ink. There are many other standards of fashion out there. I guess because they are major sponsers and participants in the show itself they get the most focus.
tamarinden
September 30, 2006 - 05:30 AM
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You've proven that you can have your head up your rear and still manage to stick your foot in your mouth.
I bet a dollar to a donut you didn't read the original post.
Oh my G_d!
I just realized something. You really are a teenage girl whose parents pay her no attention because she's ugly, a flaming mediocrity intellectually and are a disappointment to them. You've never had a boy love you past that first hump and leave. Because of these things you go online and try to be all the things you want to be.
You dump on the parent figures who you wish loved you but don't care if you exist. You try to get even with all the men who don't want you past that first, bag over the head, sexual experiance because your neediness translates into hostility and that just makes you uglier.
I don't hate you anymore. I pity you and hope you really don't go near that razor. You may even be a person someday.
On second thought, go into the light!
You really go too far. For someone who disdains others for calling a lady names, you seem to be doing this a lot.
You need to read what you wrote here and think about this before you reply.
sctck
September 30, 2006 - 05:31 AM
Duh - meant season two!
sctck
September 30, 2006 - 05:35 AM
LMAO! Something TAFETTA!
When I got married I let my girls pick there their dress (while maintaining veto power of course) I gave them a color and said let's go shopping. I didn't have to veto anything they all found a dress they were happy with. It was a two piece deep red and I know they worn the different pieces again for Christmas parties or going out. (i.e. Red top, black pants). They were all gorgeous. But they again, my babes are gorgeous anyway!
sctck
September 30, 2006 - 05:39 AM
I hear you! I finally trashed old BM dresses. I don't know why I didn't right after the weddings. I didn't want my own BMs to have to deal with that and pretend to be happy in something uncomfortable that they don't want - so I let them pick their own. They have great taste and found something we were ALL happy with.
IronChef
September 30, 2006 - 06:26 AM
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You've proven that you can have your head up your rear and still manage to stick your foot in your mouth.
I bet a dollar to a donut you didn't read the original post.
Oh my G_d!
I just realized something. You really are a teenage girl whose parents pay her no attention because she's ugly, a flaming mediocrity intellectually and are a disappointment to them. You've never had a boy love you past that first hump and leave. Because of these things you go online and try to be all the things you want to be.
You dump on the parent figures who you wish loved you but don't care if you exist. You try to get even with all the men who don't want you past that first, bag over the head, sexual experiance because your neediness translates into hostility and that just makes you uglier.
I don't hate you anymore. I pity you and hope you really don't go near that razor. You may even be a person someday.
On second thought, go into the light!
You really go too far. For someone who disdains others for calling a lady names, you seem to be doing this a lot.
You need to read what you wrote here and think about this before you reply.
Tam, this argument is really a study in "degrees" of offense, and I think if you read most of nowvoyager's posts, you'll find them baiting enough that dc's replies are more "defensive" than "offensive." IMO, one needs to first present oneself like a lady in order to be treated like one, and in nowvoyager's case, I haven't felt her post's "ladylike" enough to where anyone need defend her as befitting of the title.
I think DC's only "sin" in this instance was in taking nowvoyager's bait, even after he said he'd done with it. Should he have ignored it and moved on? Maybe, but since nowvoyager has joined the forum, she's done little more than bait people and name-call like a professional eight year old.
If you want to berate DC for going too far, then you need to at least berate nowvoyager for doing the very same repeatedly. Being a woman doesn't automatically make you a lady; you really have to earn that respect, and IMO, sorry, but I don't think nowvoyager has done that.
Lia
tamarinden
September 30, 2006 - 06:45 AM
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You've proven that you can have your head up your rear and still manage to stick your foot in your mouth.
I bet a dollar to a donut you didn't read the original post.
Oh my G_d!
I just realized something. You really are a teenage girl whose parents pay her no attention because she's ugly, a flaming mediocrity intellectually and are a disappointment to them. You've never had a boy love you past that first hump and leave. Because of these things you go online and try to be all the things you want to be.
You dump on the parent figures who you wish loved you but don't care if you exist. You try to get even with all the men who don't want you past that first, bag over the head, sexual experiance because your neediness translates into hostility and that just makes you uglier.
I don't hate you anymore. I pity you and hope you really don't go near that razor. You may even be a person someday.
On second thought, go into the light!
You really go too far. For someone who disdains others for calling a lady names, you seem to be doing this a lot.
You need to read what you wrote here and think about this before you reply.
Tam, this argument is really a study in "degrees" of offense, and I think if you read most of nowvoyager's posts, you'll find them baiting enough that dc's replies are more "defensive" than "offensive." IMO, one needs to first present oneself like a lady in order to be treated like one, and in nowvoyager's case, I haven't felt her post's "ladylike" enough to where anyone need defend her as befitting of the title.
I think DC's only "sin" in this instance was in taking nowvoyager's bait, even after he said he'd done with it. Should he have ignored it and moved on? Maybe, but since nowvoyager has joined the forum, she's done little more than bait people and name-call like a professional eight year old.
If you want to berate DC for going too far, then you need to at least berate nowvoyager for doing the very same repeatedly. Being a woman doesn't automatically make you a lady; you really have to earn that respect, and IMO, sorry, but I don't think nowvoyager has done that.
Lia
I didn't berate nowvoyager because I don't pay any attention to her anymore. She is nothing but argumentative.
I wasn't berating DC. I don't berate people. But having been on the receiving end of DC's "I hate you"s myself, I think he needs to lighten up. I dont know about nowvoyager, but I think I deserve to be treated like a lady.
The problem I have with DC is that he is the one who castigates people for talking this way, and yet he is the worst offender on the board.
If my opinion makes me an outcast on this board, then I can understand this and move on, but at least I said what I thought. I think DC went way too far with her and with others, DCben1 being one of those, and with me too.
love2paint
September 30, 2006 - 06:48 AM
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Laura used elegant fabrics and elegant tailoring skills in making the dress, but to me it looked vulgar with that mile-wide front. That front was just as revealing and vulgar as Vincent's "couture" gown front, and I'm not sure why no one else makes this comparison. If her model had been any more busty, she would have been bustin' out of that dress in 3 seconds flat.
I think the difference is that Laura's fit her model better. There was no chance that something would pop out. If her model had been more busty, she would have fit it to that body style. Vincent's looked like a small gust of wind would show us all more than we wanted to see.
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September 30, 2006 - 06:50 AM
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How do you like Keith being at the reunion show? I think if he was not eligible to be brought back for the Black and White challenge, he shouldn't have been brought back to the reunion. I hope his time on the show is limited. From what I see in the preview, he is still completely unremorseful at having broken strict rules. He glares at Heidi and says something like, "Can you see by my face that I'm upset? Uncomfortable, isn't it?" As if he expects her to feel guilty for him being kicked off the show. (Kicked off, as in disqualified, NOT eliminated) He seems to genuinely feel that he was wronged in this.
Let me get it straight. He signed a contract. He was aware of the rules. He was aware that breaking the rules could result in dismissal from the show. He broke the rules. End of story.
Agreed. Jeffrey commented on his manipulative personality during the team challenge for the INC window. And Keith showed it in spades when he was taking his leave of the other contestants. Talented or not, he doesn't deserve recognition because of his refusal to take responsibility for his own actions. I don't think he should have been allowed back for the reunion show, but if nothing else, I can just laugh at him.
The reason he is part of the reunion show is RATINGS. Bravo thinks we want to watch the other designers call him out on his actions. I have to admit, that if Laura were to be her usual straight-forward, no BS self, that would be fun to watch.
What I'm dreading is the rehash of the Jeffery/Angela/Darlene battle.
swiss74
September 30, 2006 - 06:53 AM
Can we just move on.
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September 30, 2006 - 06:56 AM
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I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
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September 30, 2006 - 07:03 AM
The reason he is part of the reunion show is RATINGS. Bravo thinks we want to watch the other designers call him out on his actions. I have to admit, that if Laura were to be her usual straight-forward, no BS self, that would be fun to watch.
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If you are speaking of Keith yes that is the reason for him being there although he is entitled to be there because he did do designing on the program. He could not participate in the Angela/Vincent return because he was kicked off for breaking the rules.
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I think most of us are. As Jeffrey knows he can push Angela's buttons, he will probably do that. Why, because that is Jeffrey. Angela we have seen does respond, we at this point do not really know who starts it.
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September 30, 2006 - 07:05 AM
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Can we just move on.
I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
I was referring to the day old arguement.
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September 30, 2006 - 07:15 AM
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Can we just move on.
I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
I was referring to the day old arguement.
I agree with you 100% swiss and I am moving on. I just want to have fun here.
IronChef
September 30, 2006 - 07:40 AM
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I didn't berate nowvoyager because I don't pay any attention to her anymore. She is nothing but argumentative.
But she's an integral part of this particular argument, and in this particular instance. If you're going to ignore one, then you need to afford the other the same courtesy, since the other (nowvoyager) is the subject of the disagreement. How can you chastise one when you admit to discounting the other? It's simply unfair.
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I wasn't berating DC. I don't berate people. But having been on the receiving end of DC's "I hate you"s myself, I think he needs to lighten up.
I've been in some ugly debates with DC too, but it's never been something we couldn't both go beyond. Maybe "berate" is something we need to clarify:
Main Entry: be·rate
Pronunciation: bi-'rAt, bE-
Function: transitive verb
: to scold or condemn vehemently
synonym see SCOLD
Ok, I've "scolded" DC too, but it's never been something we couldn't go beyond and continue to respect each other as human beings.
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I dont know about nowvoyager, but I think I deserve to be treated like a lady.
And I don't know about past run-ins where DC hasn't treated you like a lady. I'm certainly going to treat you with as much respect as anyone else here--because, to be honest, with most posters I have no idea whether he or she is a lady or a gentleman until he or she says so. Even then, though, "Lady" and "Gentleman" are, I still feel, titles that should be earned, not handed out due to sex alone.
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I think DC went way too far with her and with others, DCben1 being one of those, and with me too.
Like I said, I don't have any experience with instances in which DC "went too far" with you, or even with Ben. But if you're saying you think he "went too far" with "her" (aka nowvoyager), then you're saying he went too far with someone you've already admitted you disregard and don't pay any attention to anymore. So, why the beef, then, with regard to nowvoyager?
I know there are times when we all react to others here, but at least in this instance, I just don't think DC should be berated--I mean, "scolded" for reacting to something that even I (and others too) found offensive.
Carole
September 30, 2006 - 07:46 AM
I lost my temper with you and I stayed off the boards yesterday to cool down. I guess my Pollyanna act was bound to collapse sometime, but I was doing good for awhile being a peacenik.
You really get on my nerves sometimes nowvoyager, but I overreacted because of the topic at hand. Like so many people, I was taken advantage of as a kid, and was punished and not believed when I told. It was only years later, when the person who did not believe me told another (as proof of how "mixed up" I was), that that person (the last person I ever expected to believe me), not only believed me, but has stood by me ever since.
So when you lectured jitteryjewel on what she should have done, I got defensive, because coulda-shoulda-woulda has haunted me for many years. Every time I read a story of some guy who has gone public and made the world a bit safer for other kids by going to court, I feel bad. But, I have always been able to creatively deal with reality to the point that I no longer trust my memories. I made things alright in my mind as a kid, and the negative memories are faded to bits and peices which are of no help to anyone.
So when anyone tries to pick apart anyone else's traumatic memory, I freak. I would make a terrible juror. I have been chosen twice, but always excused on the challenges. It's ironic that because of my heritage and longish hair, I am probably let go for the fear that I would not want to believe the prosecution, when in most cases the opposite would be true..
Anyway, if it was my little tirade that started this newest bout of negativity, I'm sorry. My reaction was so out of proportion to a few IMO misguided posts. I still think you go out of your way to provoke people nowvoyager, but I thought I had gotten off my high horse awhile ago after I got aggravated at Brillke for I don't know what for now.
It's all very silly when you look at it hard enough. I guess the internet is the new Tower of Babel? Well, time to make the coffee..
notevayas
As I posted awhile back, those of us who have been through dangerous situations know you react however your instincts tell you and there is no "thinking it through" if you don't have the time. People who do not understand that probably have not been through such an experience. And the aftereffects stay with you forever. Hopefully you can make the bad experience work for good in your life, even if it just means being supportive of others.
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September 30, 2006 - 07:46 AM
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Can we just move on.
I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
I was referring to the day old arguement.
I agree with you 100% swiss and I am moving on. I just want to have fun here.
I'm certainly willing to move on, but I'm not going to back down and away from a debate I feel is worthy of further discussion. I'm honestly not trying to rub anyone the wrong way, but I feel the statements made are "worth and wanting of further clarification," that's all.
Lia
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September 30, 2006 - 07:51 AM
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Well, I messed up my first post but i did as you asked. I went back and quoted you. You constantly harped about Lauras pregnancy then denied doing so. Lie much?
Is calling me a weasel and brillo head supposed to upset me? What a sad bitter person you must be. Call me whatever you want but it doesnt change the fact you are the Queen Troll.
I will shut the f**k up when you find a new bridge to hide under.
Now, lets see how you reply to this post.
brillke
Hi Brillke,
Thank you so much for getting this all together. I knew that this person was the one who made the nasty remarks about Laura's pregnancy and to me (so full of crap, Damsel (hypocrite), and so many others, but didn't know how to find it. It must have taken a lot of time, and I appreciate it.
I will also be interested to see what the reply will be.
D
I am convinced that people who say Laura constantly was complaining about her pregnancy were the same type of people who said she always made the same dress. In one instance, those posters are incapable of realizing it was a clip the editors ran over and over, rather than Laura actually talking about it all the time. In the other instance, they were incapable of separating out the clothes she was wearing from the clothes she sent down the runway.
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September 30, 2006 - 07:58 AM
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Can we just move on.
I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
I was referring to the day old arguement.
Its kinda hard to move on at times. Some people didnt read what nowvayger wrote until the next day and are just now replying. I dont think 24 hours is so much time to forget the bile now has spewed yet again. She likes to post a couple post, get people riled up, then poof, gone for a few days. Frankly, Im sick of the troll and refuse to take her crap any longer. If things had been worked out and put away, sure, get over it. But nothing was settled. Now will be back in a few days denying she ever said her crap and starting another fight. Thats her M.O. I am sorry for those of you who get upset when fighting goes on but it happens. Since Bravo aired the rerun instead of a new show and the recent troll invasion, these board were all but killed off. Im willing to come back and have fun but please dont expect me to keep quiet when Now starts again.
brillke
Carole
September 30, 2006 - 08:02 AM
I didn't berate nowvoyager because I don't pay any attention to her anymore. She is nothing but argumentative.
I wasn't berating DC. I don't berate people. But having been on the receiving end of DC's "I hate you"s myself, I think he needs to lighten up. I dont know about nowvoyager, but I think I deserve to be treated like a lady.
The problem I have with DC is that he is the one who castigates people for talking this way, and yet he is the worst offender on the board.
If my opinion makes me an outcast on this board, then I can understand this and move on, but at least I said what I thought. I think DC went way too far with her and with others, DCben1 being one of those, and with me too.
I am fairly new on this board (this season only) and have not been on the TC board where I guess several other posters have been. I have noticed a lot of the TC posters are very fond of Bear. I also like a lot of his posts, but I have noticed that some are quite sharp. Tam I really think you were right in being offended by Bear's last post, but I believe from what I have read in the past that Bear is really a very sympathetic guy who over reacts sometimes when he is defending one of his online friends.
IronChef
September 30, 2006 - 08:06 AM
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The reason he is part of the reunion show is RATINGS. Bravo thinks we want to watch the other designers call him out on his actions. I have to admit, that if Laura were to be her usual straight-forward, no BS self, that would be fun to watch.
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If you are speaking of Keith yes that is the reason for him being there although he is entitled to be there because he did do designing on the program. He could not participate in the Angela/Vincent return because he was kicked off for breaking the rules.
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I think most of us are. As Jeffrey knows he can push Angela's buttons, he will probably do that. Why, because that is Jeffrey. Angela we have seen does respond, we at this point do not really know who starts it.
Keith is on the reunion show because:
1.) He was a part of the cast. Two words: Contractual Obligation. Just as Keith was contractually bound to the contract he signed (and apparently broke when he harbored "pattern book" flavored contraband, and left the premises of Parsons) the reverse is also true. The show is, I'm sure, contractually bound to include all contestants in the reunion show.
2. ) Keith is bound to provide drama. Bravo is all about the drama, so why would they deny themselves such a prime opportunity for more of it?
Lia
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September 30, 2006 - 08:10 AM
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Can we just move on.
I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
I was referring to the day old arguement.
I agree with you 100% swiss and I am moving on. I just want to have fun here.
I'm certainly willing to move on, but I'm not going to back down and away from a debate I feel is worthy of further discussion. I'm honestly not trying to rub anyone the wrong way, but I feel the statements made are "worth and wanting of further clarification," that's all.
Lia
Hi Lia I absolutely do not take your input in a bad way.
I think you just want to make sure that DC is not being lumped together with the trolls? I haven't called him any names I am just calling him on his behavior at times.
I realize that many, if not most, will not agree, and that perhaps you feel I am attacking him. I am not attacking him I am just asking him to think twice before he posts some of his more incendiary replies.
Like I said, its only my opinion and I don't ask for any validation. But having read his posts many times, he sometimes gets carried away and is sometimes extremely harsh with people.
I am not saying he is a bad person, and I am not equating his posts with those of the trolls. All that I am saying is that IMO at times, to a casual reader, it would be very hard to say who is the troll and who is not.
swiss74
September 30, 2006 - 08:13 AM
Totally agree with you that he was contractually obligated, that is why he is there, PR was also obligated. He is there because he was a participant.
Keith will add drama, we have seen that is the teasers.
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September 30, 2006 - 08:14 AM
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The reason he is part of the reunion show is RATINGS. Bravo thinks we want to watch the other designers call him out on his actions. I have to admit, that if Laura were to be her usual straight-forward, no BS self, that would be fun to watch.
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If you are speaking of Keith yes that is the reason for him being there although he is entitled to be there because he did do designing on the program. He could not participate in the Angela/Vincent return because he was kicked off for breaking the rules.
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I think most of us are. As Jeffrey knows he can push Angela's buttons, he will probably do that. Why, because that is Jeffrey. Angela we have seen does respond, we at this point do not really know who starts it.
Keith is on the reunion show because:
1.) He was a part of the cast. Two words: Contractual Obligation. Just as Keith was contractually bound to the contract he signed (and apparently broke when he harbored "pattern book" flavored contraband, and left the premises of Parsons) the reverse is also true. The show is, I'm sure, contractually bound to include all contestants in the reunion show.
2. ) Keith is bound to provide drama. Bravo is all about the drama, so why would they deny themselves such a prime opportunity for more of it?
Lia
Lia,
I'd be very surprised if the contract did not give the network total control over who they include in the reunion. I'd think there would be wording that if they break the rules and are asked to leave the show, the producers have the right to exclude the contestants for all shows, marketing spots, etc.
JMO.
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September 30, 2006 - 08:19 AM
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Well, I messed up my first post but i did as you asked. I went back and quoted you. You constantly harped about Lauras pregnancy then denied doing so. Lie much?
Is calling me a weasel and brillo head supposed to upset me? What a sad bitter person you must be. Call me whatever you want but it doesnt change the fact you are the Queen Troll.
I will shut the f**k up when you find a new bridge to hide under.
Now, lets see how you reply to this post.
brillke
Hi Brillke,
Thank you so much for getting this all together. I knew that this person was the one who made the nasty remarks about Laura's pregnancy and to me (so full of crap, Damsel (hypocrite), and so many others, but didn't know how to find it. It must have taken a lot of time, and I appreciate it.
I will also be interested to see what the reply will be.
D
I am convinced that people who say Laura constantly was complaining about her pregnancy were the same type of people who said she always made the same dress. In one instance, those posters are incapable of realizing it was a clip the editors ran over and over, rather than Laura actually talking about it all the time. In the other instance, they were incapable of separating out the clothes she was wearing from the clothes she sent down the runway.
Agreed carole I think people think every outfit Laura sent down the runway was a low cut cocktail dress, when in fact, she sent coats, herringbone jacket and skirt, a stupdendous man tailored women's blouse and trousers, a two piece very tailored short jacket and pants (angela's INC outfit) and ONE high waisted impeccable white dress for the recycling challenge. Add to this a moderatrely low cut dress for the jetset challenge, a boatneck frock for which she won the episode 10 challenge, and finally, a low cut, dress for the final challenge.
For this she is accused of constantl doing high waisted dresses (by Jeffrey) (she did one in the entire series that i can remember). And then Tim asked if they were going to see 12 lace dresses for which Laura had no reply. I think that was because up to that point, Laura had presented exactly ONE lace dress, for which she won the episode 10 challenge. She did put a lace neckline on the couture challenge dress, but this hardly justifies Tim's reaction, considering that Uli had done prints in 10 of the 11 challenges.
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September 30, 2006 - 08:20 AM
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Can we just move on.
I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
I was referring to the day old arguement.
Its kinda hard to move on at times. Some people didnt read what nowvayger wrote until the next day and are just now replying. I dont think 24 hours is so much time to forget the bile now has spewed yet again. She likes to post a couple post, get people riled up, then poof, gone for a few days. Frankly, Im sick of the troll and refuse to take her crap any longer. If things had been worked out and put away, sure, get over it. But nothing was settled. Now will be back in a few days denying she ever said her crap and starting another fight. Thats her M.O. I am sorry for those of you who get upset when fighting goes on but it happens. Since Bravo aired the rerun instead of a new show and the recent troll invasion, these board were all but killed off. Im willing to come back and have fun but please dont expect me to keep quiet when Now starts again.
brillke
Brillke I hope you know I am always on your side, and I despise what nowvoyager wrote to you, but you dispatched her pretty easily. You didnt need anyone's help with her she is beneath you.
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September 30, 2006 - 08:21 AM
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I didn't berate nowvoyager because I don't pay any attention to her anymore. She is nothing but argumentative.
I wasn't berating DC. I don't berate people. But having been on the receiving end of DC's "I hate you"s myself, I think he needs to lighten up. I dont know about nowvoyager, but I think I deserve to be treated like a lady.
The problem I have with DC is that he is the one who castigates people for talking this way, and yet he is the worst offender on the board.
If my opinion makes me an outcast on this board, then I can understand this and move on, but at least I said what I thought. I think DC went way too far with her and with others, DCben1 being one of those, and with me too.
I am fairly new on this board (this season only) and have not been on the TC board where I guess several other posters have been. I have noticed a lot of the TC posters are very fond of Bear. I also like a lot of his posts, but I have noticed that some are quite sharp. Tam I really think you were right in being offended by Bear's last post, but I believe from what I have read in the past that Bear is really a very sympathetic guy who over reacts sometimes when he is defending one of his online friends.
Agreed Carole. I don't think I was particularly hard on DC, I just expressed my feelings.
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September 30, 2006 - 08:36 AM
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The reason he is part of the reunion show is RATINGS. Bravo thinks we want to watch the other designers call him out on his actions. I have to admit, that if Laura were to be her usual straight-forward, no BS self, that would be fun to watch.
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If you are speaking of Keith yes that is the reason for him being there although he is entitled to be there because he did do designing on the program. He could not participate in the Angela/Vincent return because he was kicked off for breaking the rules.
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What I'm dreading is the rehash of the Jeffery/Angela/Darlene battle.
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I think most of us are. As Jeffrey knows he can push Angela's buttons, he will probably do that. Why, because that is Jeffrey. Angela we have seen does respond, we at this point do not really know who starts it.
Keith is on the reunion show because:
1.) He was a part of the cast. Two words: Contractual Obligation. Just as Keith was contractually bound to the contract he signed (and apparently broke when he harbored "pattern book" flavored contraband, and left the premises of Parsons) the reverse is also true. The show is, I'm sure, contractually bound to include all contestants in the reunion show.
2. ) Keith is bound to provide drama. Bravo is all about the drama, so why would they deny themselves such a prime opportunity for more of it?
Lia
Lia,
I'd be very surprised if the contract did not give the network total control over who they include in the reunion. I'd think there would be wording that if they break the rules and are asked to leave the show, the producers have the right to exclude the contestants for all shows, marketing spots, etc.
JMO.
Maybe so. If that's the case, then, I guess Bravo chose to include Keith rather than to be contractually bound to do so. Good for them!
Lia
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September 30, 2006 - 08:50 AM
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Can we just move on.
I was just jumping in and this was not directed at anyone in particular.
I was referring to the day old arguement.
Its kinda hard to move on at times. Some people didnt read what nowvayger wrote until the next day and are just now replying. I dont think 24 hours is so much time to forget the bile now has spewed yet again. She likes to post a couple post, get people riled up, then poof, gone for a few days. Frankly, Im sick of the troll and refuse to take her crap any longer. If things had been worked out and put away, sure, get over it. But nothing was settled. Now will be back in a few days denying she ever said her crap and starting another fight. Thats her M.O. I am sorry for those of you who get upset when fighting goes on but it happens. Since Bravo aired the rerun instead of a new show and the recent troll invasion, these board were all but killed off. Im willing to come back and have fun but please dont expect me to keep quiet when Now starts again.
brillke
Hey there brillke, how are you this fine fall morning.
I do not mean you should shut up if you feel there is need for clarification. As far as something being settled I doubt that will happen because of what you say is her M.O. She comes to the PR board starts her crap and then leaves, knowing full well she has caused an argument that will rage for a while. I am not upset that there is an argument raging, I personally just hoped we could leave it in yesterday. If you feel there needs to be more discussion I certainly could not or would not stop you nor would I try. Go for it. If she shows up today then do what needs to be done. I certainly do not expect you or anyone should keep quiet when she shows up and spews her venum.
There are many in the world like her. They enter a situation to deliberately cause an argument. Then they scurry off and sit in the sidelines and watch the riot rage on. That is where they get their enjoyment. That is their fun, start something and leave and watch it flame on, they are almost like a voyeur. If as you say this is her MO sit and wait until she comes back and then just let her reap the wrath from everyone. I was annoyed by what she was saying, inferring, and accusing others of doing I have made copies of what she has said and passed them on. There are people that like to accuse others of things they are the most guilty of, they are also the ones that have to have the last word in everything, they just cannot let go. That is this tree hugger/ocean lover nowvoyger.
swiss74
September 30, 2006 - 09:01 AM
You know I support you whenever you choose to squash a person who comes to this board and does nothing but stir up trouble. I do not like those hit and miss people either. I sometimes wish their keyboards would stick, the mouse would run away and their cpu would just say, I quit, I am tired, and I am worn out from all the crap you spew.
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September 30, 2006 - 09:06 AM
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did this person call notevayas a wea*el? fleurshame on them.
charlotte vale wept.
older episodes this morning = alison shoulda been spared. hope she wins the 'fan favorite' $10,000 thing.
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September 30, 2006 - 09:09 AM
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did this person call notevayas a wea*el? fleurshame on them.
charlotte vale wept.
older episodes this morning = alison shoulda been spared. hope she wins the 'fan favorite' $10,000 thing.
LOL Charlotte did weep. But she had great taste in shoes. Nothing looks nicer when one is weeping than a great pair of shoes
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September 30, 2006 - 09:13 AM
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did this person call notevayas a wea*el? fleurshame on them.
charlotte vale wept.
older episodes this morning = alison shoulda been spared. hope she wins the 'fan favorite' $10,000 thing.
It could happen. Judging by Malan's big smile in the previews, I am wondering if in fact it was Malan Breton who won fan favorite.
Carole
September 30, 2006 - 09:15 AM
Hooking on to have everyone go to Project Rungay this morning:
http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/They have validated what many of us have been saying by putting up miniature pictures of every outfit Laura made in the challenges; followed by every dress Uli designed in the challenges. They finally admitted that it was Laura's personal clothing that threw everyone into thinking she always made the same design. Ha! Kudos to us for figuring it out first.
gman
September 30, 2006 - 09:34 AM
okay, after resisting posting on these boards for the entire season....Carole, your post pushed me into registering, just so I could thank you for pointing out the Project Rungay recap of Laura's offerings for the entire season. I think that the pictures side-by-side contradict the one-note label that haunts her; and I agree that what Laura wears herself seems to have influenced that criticism.
So, thanks from a newbie to the boards!
Carole
September 30, 2006 - 09:39 AM
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okay, after resisting posting on these boards for the entire season....Carole, your post pushed me into registering, just so I could thank you for pointing out the Project Rungay recap of Laura's offerings for the entire season. I think that the pictures side-by-side contradict the one-note label that haunts her; and I agree that what Laura wears herself seems to have influenced that criticism.
So, thanks from a newbie to the boards!
You are more than welcome. Come on in, the water's fine! I also tracked down a comment on TWP's boards that I found very thoughtful:
"I think these final designs reflect how each of the designers perceive women. Laura sees women as strong, unsilly and confident. Jeffy sees a lot of different sides to women--romantic and flamboyant, but still strong. Uli sees women as casual party girls who like to get vasted. And, disappointly, Michael sees women as sex symbols and eye candy. I know he's a Mama's boy, but I'm a little uncomfortable with his design ethic."
IronChef
September 30, 2006 - 09:39 AM
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You know I support you whenever you choose to squash a person who comes to this board and does nothing but stir up trouble. I do not like those hit and miss people either. I sometimes wish their keyboards would stick, the mouse would run away and their cpu would just say, I quit, I am tired, and I am worn out from all the crap you spew.
I'm tired too. I think I just still haven't recovered from the recent death in my "family," and I need to step back until I have. I apologise to anyone I've unduly judged, and I'm sorry if I've been harsh to anyone here. My personal losses have no business being aired here, so apart from my apology, I'm taking myself out of the game until such time as I can comport myself with the dignity and impartiality with which this forum deserves.
Enjoy the reunion and the finale, everyone ...
Lia
swiss74
September 30, 2006 - 09:44 AM
OT WAY OT and Just jumping in.
I have been observing the posts where the names, etc., are and I am sure others have made this observation too. Notice how accurate the post count is, while our individual post count is always being messed up, by that I mean using the same number a few times before it moves up.
I am sure someone else has mentioned it but it has finally driven me nutty, so I must comment on it. I must be board...
swiss74
September 30, 2006 - 09:46 AM
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You know I support you whenever you choose to squash a person who comes to this board and does nothing but stir up trouble. I do not like those hit and miss people either. I sometimes wish their keyboards would stick, the mouse would run away and their cpu would just say, I quit, I am tired, and I am worn out from all the crap you spew.
This was my continuation to brillke...sorry
tamarinden
September 30, 2006 - 09:58 AM
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Hooking on to have everyone go to Project Rungay this morning: http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/
They have validated what many of us have been saying by putting up miniature pictures of every outfit Laura made in the challenges; followed by every dress Uli designed in the challenges. They finally admitted that it was Laura's personal clothing that threw everyone into thinking she always made the same design. Ha! Kudos to us for figuring it out first.
Carole I want to thank you for posting that link. It ROCKS!!! I absolutely have been stressing about this and I'm glad oh so very glad to see the brilliant folks of project rungay have absolutely verified our suspicions. I just hope that Michael Kor's rethinks hisdramatic statement about not wanting to see another decolletée offering from Laura.
tamarinden
September 30, 2006 - 10:05 AM
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Hooking on to have everyone go to Project Rungay this morning: http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/
They have validated what many of us have been saying by putting up miniature pictures of every outfit Laura made in the challenges; followed by every dress Uli designed in the challenges. They finally admitted that it was Laura's personal clothing that threw everyone into thinking she always made the same design. Ha! Kudos to us for figuring it out first.
Carole I want to thank you for posting that link. It ROCKS!!! I absolutely have been stressing about this and I'm glad oh so very glad to see the brilliant folks of project rungay have absolutely verified our suspicions. I just hope that Michael Kor's rethinks hisdramatic statement about not wanting to see another decolletée offering from Laura.
LOL am still reading project rungay !! Those biatches are hilarious In my next life I want to come back as a gay man and be Tim Gunns boyfriend and work at project rungay hehe
That part about Nina making a pregnant woman sit on an airconditioner was priceless.
dcjewbear
September 30, 2006 - 10:31 AM
I am fairly new on this board (this season only) and have not been on the TC board where I guess several other posters have been. I have noticed a lot of the TC posters are very fond of Bear. I also like a lot of his posts, but I have noticed that some are quite sharp. Tam I really think you were right in being offended by Bear's last post, but I believe from what I have read in the past that Bear is really a very sympathetic guy who over reacts sometimes when he is defending one of his online friends.
Agreed Carole. I don't think I was particularly hard on DC, I just expressed my feelings.
This is the Bear, speaking to you from lovely Baltimore! I read my post this morning upon waking up and thought "who is this lunatic?". I thought it went way over the top, maybe because I have been watching Paddy Chayesky's "Network" a lot recently and people make a lot on impassioned speaches in it, so I felt I could make one of my own and put this little girl in her place.
Nah, that's a way too simple excuse. She got exactly what she wanted which is for someone to be as mean and cruel as she is to my friends and I. I have to tell you that I'm of two minds on it. On one hand I love it because someone gave her as good as she gives and on the other hand I feel shame at rising to the bait and debasing myself in front of my friends just to do it. I mean, I know I can do this, but it doesn't make it right.
Now I feel like crap and, trust me, all those people who are defending her will be called names by her in the next week. Yes, I feel like crap, but, ultimately I don't really feel wrong. You really can't hurt someone who doesn't care and it's just giving her oodles of material for the next month. Wait and see.
That's it.
tamarinden
September 30, 2006 - 10:42 AM
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I am fairly new on this board (this season only) and have not been on the TC board where I guess several other posters have been. I have noticed a lot of the TC posters are very fond of Bear. I also like a lot of his posts, but I have noticed that some are quite sharp. Tam I really think you were right in being offended by Bear's last post, but I believe from what I have read in the past that Bear is really a very sympathetic guy who over reacts sometimes when he is defending one of his online friends.
Agreed Carole. I don't think I was particularly hard on DC, I just expressed my feelings.
This is the Bear, speaking to you from lovely Baltimore! I read my post this morning upon waking up and thought "who is this lunatic?". I thought it went way over the top, maybe because I have been watching Paddy Chayesky's "Network" a lot recently and people make a lot on impassioned speaches in it, so I felt I could make one of my own and put this little girl in her place.
Nah, that's a way too simple excuse. She got exactly what she wanted which is for someone to be as mean and cruel as she is to my friends and I. I have to tell you that I'm of two minds on it. On one hand I love it because someone gave her as good as she gives and on the other hand I feel shame at rising to the bait and debasing myself in front of my friends just to do it. I mean, I know I can do this, but it doesn't make it right.
Now I feel like crap and, trust me, all those people who are defending her will be called names by her in the next week. Yes, I feel like crap, but, ultimately I don't really feel wrong. You really can't hurt someone who doesn't care and it's just giving her oodles of material for the next month. Wait and see.
That's it.
I don't want you to feel like crap I respect you or I wouldnt care. She is like a barbarian, so I don't pay atention. But I respect you DC. I know you are not a troll. Actually I have been pretty nervous that you would be angry to me and take what I said in a bad light.
Maybe I am wrong. I just don't want to give anyone ammunition.
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September 30, 2006 - 10:52 AM
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Hooking on to have everyone go to Project Rungay this morning: http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/
They have validated what many of us have been saying by putting up miniature pictures of every outfit Laura made in the challenges; followed by every dress Uli designed in the challenges. They finally admitted that it was Laura's personal clothing that threw everyone into thinking she always made the same design. Ha! Kudos to us for figuring it out first.
Carole I want to thank you for posting that link. It ROCKS!!! I absolutely have been stressing about this and I'm glad oh so very glad to see the brilliant folks of project rungay have absolutely verified our suspicions. I just hope that Michael Kor's rethinks hisdramatic statement about not wanting to see another decolletée offering from Laura.
LOL am still reading project rungay !! Those biatches are hilarious In my next life I want to come back as a gay man and be Tim Gunns boyfriend and work at project rungay hehe
That part about Nina making a pregnant woman sit on an airconditioner was priceless.
I adore Rungay. Check their archives. You be glad ya did.
Howdy swiss, Im good ty. How are you.
brillke
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September 30, 2006 - 10:57 AM
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Hooking on to have everyone go to Project Rungay this morning: http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/
They have validated what many of us have been saying by putting up miniature pictures of every outfit Laura made in the challenges; followed by every dress Uli designed in the challenges. They finally admitted that it was Laura's personal clothing that threw everyone into thinking she always made the same design. Ha! Kudos to us for figuring it out first.
Carole I want to thank you for posting that link. It ROCKS!!! I absolutely have been stressing about this and I'm glad oh so very glad to see the brilliant folks of project rungay have absolutely verified our suspicions. I just hope that Michael Kor's rethinks hisdramatic statement about not wanting to see another decolletée offering from Laura.
LOL am still reading project rungay !! Those biatches are hilarious In my next life I want to come back as a gay man and be Tim Gunns boyfriend and work at project rungay hehe
That part about Nina making a pregnant woman sit on an airconditioner was priceless.
I adore Rungay. Check their archives. You be glad ya did.
Howdy swiss, Im good ty. How are you.
brillke
am reading and laughing lol!! this is just too funny!
nowvoyager
September 30, 2006 - 11:29 AM
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You made my point for me, thank you. The study showed that people, especially females, will swallow their natural suspicions because that's what they've been taught to do since birth just about. "Be polite", "be nice", "don't be rude", and so on. This is what gets them victimized. How many women have been hit on in a bar, let's say, by some guy who then gets aggressive when she keeps her distance? How many women have heard the lines "Are you a lesbian?" "Are you frigid?" "What's wrong with YOU?" as attempts to make them defer to the aggressor? And how many women have fallen for that manipulativeness??
You and the other weasels like to think "oh she's just blaming the victim", but you can't be more wrong. Blaming the victim is saying she had it coming because of X, Y, or Z reasons. I have never said that of any victim, and I never will. What I will say, however, is that women have to be willing, ready an dable to be vigilant, rude and rough if the situation calls for it. It takes practice.
There's some military guy, can't recall his name, but he wrote several books on being a warrior. He said that we are all either sheep, warriors, or wolves. Sheep are potential victims, wolves are potential perps, and the warriors are the protectors of the sheep. What defines a sheep is that it always follows its program, routine, and when faced with an anomoly, can not adapt. Sheep are killed by wolves because they don't know, never learn, how to react to a threat.
I wish I could remember the guy's name, because I think all female victims of crimes need to read the particular book wherein he discusses this relationship between people.
First of all...cut it with the name calling...It makes me not want to read on, even though I agree with what you have to say in the rest of your post. All I was trying to say is someone shared a personal story to make a point about appearances and you turned it into her not doing the right thing. I think whenever anyone has lived thru something you have to "bow" to there experience and not explain how they could have/should have done better...that's all...
I see you as having the need to be right or an authority on subjects on this board. I'm allowed to disagree with you without you calling me a name. We all have our own experiences. Instead of judging others for sharing them...why not share your own to make a point?
I apologize for mistrusting your motivation in responding to my post.
If you will read what I wrote, though, you'll see that I wasn't saying anywhere, ever, that she didn't do the right thing.
Even today, I'm not sure the percentage (exact or suspected) but quite a few rape victims never come forward or go to police. Their reasons are manifold -- religious, cultural, fear, conditioning, and even profession (prostitutes, escorts, strippers, etc). The issue remains though that for every rape not reported, another victim is being "groomed". Women have an obligation to stick together and help each other out in whatever way that may manifest.
For example, today, men whine about prostate cancer not having enough exposure as a threat to mens' health. They complain that breast cancer in women has overtaken the field in exposure, funding, fundraising, education, and so on. Well, sit back and look at the thing, men. Who put breast cancer to the forefront of disease awareness? Women. Women banded together and worked together and fight together yet today to make sure that nobody ignores breast cancer as a threat to womens' health. So, my message here is, if men want prostate cancer to make the headlines, guess what, don't expect the women to do their jobs for them.
And that's what women need to continue to do when it comes to personal safety. WE shouldn't have to require male escort (protection) wherever we go, WE shouldn't have to watch what we wear, say or drink just because we're women. But the truth is, we have to do these things, and even then, events will occur beyond our control. BUT, we can maintain some control in how we react, maintain some calmness, and presence of mind in judging the situation that has been foisted upon us. A lot of times, we must go beyond our conditioning and training and do the opposite of what we think we ought to do.
I do speak from experience and research. I have been a health care professional for nearly 20 years, I was in the army back when the WACs were first absorbed into regular army, I've been to 12-step meetings, and I've been a victim. My personal story doesn't matter. What matters is that I was victimized, and even though I had no control over my destiny at that time, I am still responsible for what I do now whenever I feel threatened. I speak up and I speak out. I will not allow any person into my space if I don't feel right about him/her. And, no matter how embarrassing it may be to be victimized (robbed, mugged, whatever), I never, ever let it go unreported.
As far as "coming off as an authority", well, you said it, I didn't. I happen to know quite a bit about quite a bit, and I'm not ashamed to share. One of the 12-step philosophies that I admire is "Take what you need, and leave the rest". So if you can't stand my "authoritativeness" then ignore it, ignore me. If you think I'm wrong, don't just say it, present your case. I love to read and discuss things, but I detest the poster who says "you're wrong/nasty/a troll/whatever" and leaves it at that. That's a non-argument, a non-discussion.
Also, make sure that whatever you're disagreeing with me about, is actually what I wrote or expressed. That means reading what I've posted, and arguing only what I've written, not how you've interpreted it.
The post in question, where you think I told the poster she didn't do the right thing, my statements were prefaced with "I hope..." and at one point I wrote something to the effect "I hope that you [did something], afterward...", and lastly I wrote "IF not... then " and so on. And the poster said that yes, after the incident, she did report it to police. I at no time expressed that anyone should stop and get a license plate number or a person's name or anything else. Yet everyone who trashed me, made the leap from what I actually wrote, to something I neither wrote nor implied.
THAT is why I trust so few of you.
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