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Carole
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Laura has faux grace and a "whole lotta ugly" in her as she would say! No one one with grace would make the comments she has made about other contestants. She is a HATER!! Jeffry is a bit rude at times like I am but at least he is real he's not trying to pass himself off as
anything he is not Unlike Miss Laura- She is not a classy socialite, she is Cruella Deville with that big red gash of a mouth her designs are cliche old and tired and she should go back tot he trailer park int he swamp where she belongs! ( incidentally that is why she was so hard on Kane- because he reminded her of her tacky roots which she is obviously ashamed of!) so talk about self hate!


See why I say so many of the Jeffrey lovers have foul mouths and even fouler thoughts? What is with your mothers---were you raised in a den of wolves?
Carole
Yep, I lived on Gravier, just outside the Quarter for awhile. I still miss so much about dear NOLA--what I wouldn't give for some cafe au lait and beignets from Cafe du Monde right now!

Lia


Oh now you've done it! I am moaning. Cafe du Monde! Beignets! I am starving!
swiss74
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Good insights all around Lisakaz. You phrase the first point well and hit the target with the second.
To extend on your comments:
With the iinformation first coming from Jeffery's mom (worried, hoping for best) going to Laura's mom (nice bit of gossip - shared with her child, who she wants to win) -


I will say again, I believe this idea that the Moms were involved at all is false. It was printed in a newspaper and Jeffrey refered to it as "don't believe everything you read" and again refuted by Tim Gunn.




So - Laura is a liar all around...


What, you think Laura printed the newspaper?




This reminds me of that game where the first person whispers something to a second person, the second person whispers the same thing to a third person, and so on until the last person states aloud what the original phrase was and everyone gets a good laugh out of it.
Let's say that the two moms were having lunch one day, and JeffreyMom said something like, "Well, my son is working very hard on his collection. His sewing skills on the show weren't that great, and it looks like he has done a much better job with the extra time and space. It's so good, you'd think he had hired help to do his sewing!"
Then LauraMom called her daughter and said something like, "Oh, you know, JeffreyMom and I had lunch the other day and she's impressed with his collection so far. She said his sewing skills are so good he probably had hired help to do his sewing!"
And Laura arrived for the week's seclusion and happened to bring up the topic of Jeffrey's sewing skills and her gut concerns about whether or not he had outside help with the sewing.



A lot of early posts reminded me of that game. (I think it's called "Telephone".) What should we call those people who jump in with one or two posts and rant in a completely irrational way? The level of rage and seemingly deliberate misunderstanding is astounding to me. And the frustration of people who think their spelling is being attacked... I don't attack spelling, I attack stupidity.




This is precisely why I do not comment until all the facts are in. I will correct when an error has been made but I refuse to make a statement about the situation based upon half truths, telephone tag, and PR teasers.
damselfly
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I try very hard to refrain from correcting the appalling spelling that finds its way to this board, but I will at least ask that people's names be spelled correctly—especially by their fans!

So, it's:

Jeffrey (not Jeffery) Sebelia
Michael (not Micheal) Knight
Laura Bennett (not Bennet)
Uli (not Ulli) Herzner (not Hertzner)
Heidi (not Heide or Hiedi) Klum
Michael Kors (not Koors, Korz, or Korse)
Nina Garcia (well, that one's usually correct, but I didn't want to leave her out!)
Tim (not Tom or Timm) Gunn (not Gun)

Oh—and it's

Nazri (not Narzi or Nazeri)
Marilinda (not Marlinda)

I won't even bother with the correct spelling of the often misspelled names of Those Who Have Been Auf'd.

Mother Hubbard (has left the spell check)





Ok. You know Mother Hubbard, I respect your talent and skill as well as the job that you do. But spelling has never been my forte nor has typing. Mind you when I am typing something official, such as a resume, business letter, or even Christmas card I spell check and pay close attention to my grammer. But this is a board where, first off, we use short cuts ("thru", "lol", "u","rotflmao") to make our typing easier. Second, there are many of us who are typing quickly because we don't have all day to make our point. (I'm sure that even tho I am rereading this you with find spelling and grammar mistakes). 3rd, going thru your list:

Michael and Jeffrey...are commonly mispelled names.
(my husband, John, gets wrong spelling all the time...and it's John!!)

Last names are insane to try to get right...especially since I didn't even know half of them. I'm sure people are trying but sometimes the adding or subtracting of a letter isn't even cause they don't know. It's cause they didn't hit the "t" twice or accidently hit the "n" again.

Finally, let me also say insulting someones ideas is fine and if the person is picking on grammar and messes up themselves...fine...hit that target. But I have had a disorder my whole life where my mind works faster than my hands or my mouth sometimes and the wrong word comes out. Sometimes its the "similar sounding - different spelling" or sometimes it's "similar looking - different meaning" but I don't want to feel like an a$$ because I had an idea that I wanted to express but the words didn't spell right. I think that can be far more insulting on the board on a personal level than if someone thinks Laura had too many kids (I LOVE LAURA...btw)
ArtInstigator
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Hey AI,
I assume you mean the 29th? Is the show at 2:00 then? If so I will get off of work at 12:00 and show up. Love Steel Magnolas and did not know they still had theatre in Slidell...would love to catch the show and would be an honor to meet you. I'll have to get the directions on mapquest but heck I'll try like all get out to be there I'll be the funky looking gentleman with the flavour saver growing under my bottom lip....lol



Yes, that would be the 29th! I think I'm still brain dead from the flu. Kinda figured I'd be looking for a funky gentleman! The show is at 2pm, check out slidell-slt.org for info and map. I can hear my mother now, "you're going to meet someone you met on the Internet?"... lol...Hope you can make it, bring your girlfriend, too. We can trade more info later, too many trolls right now. I'm gonna watch baseball now, talk with ya'll later,
AI
LuzMila
My question is... why WOULD Bravo "take these accusations very seriously"... and launch a thorough investigation of Jeffrey on Laura's "hunch"? that's irresponsible...
actor59
Swiss,
I'm all with you on that one...the main problem was they bussed in so many people to vote...I personally was a Nagin supporter...my girlfriend was much smarter. Before katrina Nagin really did try to turn this city around...but afterwards NO! We are trying like all get out to get this city working again. If you visit the quarter all looks normal except for a few shops that have not reopened. But if you go one mile in any direction you see the devistation we have had to endure. I personally love living here and trying to excell in my proffesion. Alot of people are leaving includeing Harry Anderson who had 3 busineses as well a home here. I talked with him yesterday and completely understand. I think any major city in the U.S.A. who went through what we did would have a hard time coming back. But we are trying and that has to say something. Yes we are paying way to much in utileties, property taxes and insurance,but if you love this city you do what you can do despite government....Unless you live here you have no clue....hopefully we can get the coruptness out of our state goverment and they can realize we are people...but who knows! And yes that is Harry Anderson the actor from Night Court and Dave's World.
swiss74
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Tam,
I agree way to harsh but this is America "Freedom of Speech", we can always go into "igsnore mode"




I realize that and I can always call a spade a spade... freedom of speech goes both ways. Don't worry I am not about to carry on a debate with this person, I know a sick troll when I see one.

As far as Laura being jealous, Laura is tall, accomplished, and beautiful. May I ask what is Jeffrey that Laura should envy him? He is way shorter than even the women, and he looks like a Kardassian from Star Trek. NOT that looks are the most important thing in the world, but I have found many small men like Jeffrey seem to have a problem with tall women (I am 179 cm myself so I know a little about this).

Anyway, that was my last reply to her/him or my personal favorite, it.


Actually, Tam, in my opinion freedom of speech only goes so far. The troll has no manners and was obviously raised in the gutter. I have no idea where s/he got the idea that posting in such a manner is acceptable in any forum.



Along with every freedom we have no matter which freedom it is, comes self discipline. Seems as many that post here believe in the post and roast theory (I post you roast). Maybe some year all will grow up and act like adults. I know Actor, that happens on another planet.
IronChef
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Yep, I lived on Gravier, just outside the Quarter for awhile. I still miss so much about dear NOLA--what I wouldn't give for some cafe au lait and beignets from Cafe du Monde right now!

Lia


Oh now you've done it! I am moaning. Cafe du Monde! Beignets! I am starving!




Hoo! I'll do you one better--I'll see those beignets, and raise you some grilled andouille and shrimp remoulade from Mulate's, complete with Zydeco accompaniment, followed by a warm, generous helping of Pere Antoine's famous Bread Pudding!

Uh oh, I'd better stop before I get the OT police on my sorry, homesick behind!

Lia
brillke
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Laura is clearly delusional - and viscious and spiteful and feels the only way to win is by either being a [expletive deleted] and marrying a rich man or to trash someone by making unfounded accusations. I suppose it's what happens when someone's vagina has been stretched to the size of the Holland Tunnel.

I have a larger question though - no, not larger than Laura's passageway, but in terms of rules and the show. The question is:

What penalty is there for someone making an unfounded accusation against another contestant? Will the person that made them be thrown out and not be permitted to show their collection?

Clearly, Laura's brains came out in one of the many afterbirths. It was discarded in the trash long ago, but the Reptilian center of her brain knows that sometimes it's impossible to prove these things and rattling someone is sometimes enough to throw someone off their game. And just what a contestant needs - more pressure to deflect lies and insinuations by a blatant, talentless shrew who married for money.

Probably making up for her lack of chest by trying to be something she's not - a designer.








sing it yall...


Trollin,Trollin,Trollin.....Rawhide...

brillke
actor59
LOL Swiss...no I agree....Being a Jeffrey Fan I have been ashamed at some of the horrid post at Laura...Heck it is a T.V. show for the love of Mike! The things people bring in here on the post because they think they have been wronged,So you don't like Laura or Jeffrey or Michael or Uli you don't have to condem them to death fans. It's a show you are not going to win the car or the $100,00. yourself! Get over it yes we have our Favs but you are not going to be any different on thursday after the last show has been shown. It is a show! Yes we have our favs but don't stoop to the turtle poop I have seen this week...just a thought!
IronChef
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Ok. You know Mother Hubbard, I respect your talent and skill as well as the job that you do. But spelling has never been my forte nor has typing. Mind you when I am typing something official, such as a resume, business letter, or even Christmas card I spell check and pay close attention to my grammer. But this is a board where, first off, we use short cuts ("thru", "lol", "u","rotflmao") to make our typing easier. Second, there are many of us who are typing quickly because we don't have all day to make our point. (I'm sure that even tho I am rereading this you with find spelling and grammar mistakes). 3rd, going thru your list:

Michael and Jeffrey...are commonly mispelled names.
(my husband, John, gets wrong spelling all the time...and it's John!!)

Last names are insane to try to get right...especially since I didn't even know half of them. I'm sure people are trying but sometimes the adding or subtracting of a letter isn't even cause they don't know. It's cause they didn't hit the "t" twice or accidently hit the "n" again.

Finally, let me also say insulting someones ideas is fine and if the person is picking on grammar and messes up themselves...fine...hit that target. But I have had a disorder my whole life where my mind works faster than my hands or my mouth sometimes and the wrong word comes out. Sometimes its the "similar sounding - different spelling" or sometimes it's "similar looking - different meaning" but I don't want to feel like an a$$ because I had an idea that I wanted to express but the words didn't spell right. I think that can be far more insulting on the board on a personal level than if someone thinks Laura had too many kids (I LOVE LAURA...btw)




ITA, dams, on the grammar issues. I have a degree in English, and my grandmother was a high school librarian before she retired, so I have a keen appreciation for grammar and spelling. But that doesn't mean I feel the need to correct everyone, especially with regard to proper names.

It's one thing to know the difference, proper spelling and usage of "two," "to" and "too," and to know the delicate rules of the apostrophe, but to expect people to get proper names right, unless they're important historical figures, is a little much.

I'm a stickler for spelling and grammar, but I stay my "red-pencil" hand most times, mainly because I do realize the unusual and innate intricacies of an online forum versus the graded venue of a classroom.

Yes, I cringe at the spelling and grammar on the boards at times, but I try not to be so anal about it all, despite my first inclinations to correct. I make typos too, and I hope the rest of the board will be forgiving of them.

I respect the "grammar hammers" of the world, because I've been one of them, but maybe we should think about turning those hammers into slightly less damaging mallets here.

Lia
actor59
Don't forget a muffalata sandwich from Central Grocery's and a cold Barq's or Abita Amber to down it with...lol
damselfly
ITA, dams, on the grammar issues. I have a degree in English, and my grandmother was a high school librarian before she retired, so I have a keen appreciation for grammar and spelling. But that doesn't mean I feel the need to correct everyone, especially with regard to proper names.

It's one thing to know the difference, proper spelling and usage of "two," "to" and "too," and to know the delicate rules of the apostrophe, but to expect people to get proper names right, unless they're important historical figures, is a little much.

I'm a stickler for spelling and grammar, but I stay my "red-pencil" hand most times, mainly because I do realize the unusual and innate intricacies of an online forum versus the graded venue of a classroom.

Yes, I cringe at the spelling and grammar on the boards at times, but I try not to be so anal about it all, despite my first inclinations to correct. I make typos too, and I hope the rest of the board will be forgiving of them.

I respect the "grammar hammers" of the world, because I've been one of them, but maybe we should think about turning those hammers into slightly less damaging mallets here.

Lia




Thanks Lia...sometimes I see posts like Mother Hubbards and I think...aren't we here to have fun?

Also I have flashbacks to 3rd grade and standing at the black board trying to spell while evryone is watching my back waiting for me to mess up...AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! It makes me want to greb the bathroom pass and disappear....lol
swiss74
Thanks Lia...sometimes I see posts like Mother Hubbards and I think...aren't we here to have fun?

Also I have flashbacks to 3rd grade and standing at the black board trying to spell while evryone is watching my back waiting for me to mess up...AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! It makes me want to greb the bathroom pass and disappear....lol
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I do not type letters but type words and I find that many times I type the word their when I mean there. I usually catch this when I proof but here on the boards, this is supposed to be fun, so all of you who feel compelled to correct spelling please sit on your pencil. This is supposed to be fun and you do inhibit some people who are dyslexic no matter to what degree of dylexia they are, they try hard but being corrected in a public forum will destroy them and they will stop posting. Who really cares how people spell here, when you stop to think about it most posters use LMAO or other short cuts like that. I personally find that just being too lazy to spell things totally out, but I sure would never correct anyone for using those shortcuts.
chefsha
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I appreciate dry humor and practice it myself...but I also recognize self-serving snipers and there is a difference. One deflates pomposity (in oneself and others}, the other destroys with intent




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And that is exactly what Laura does. Thank you for putting your finger on it without knowing it.




What makes you think I did that without knowing it? That is quite a presumptuous remark.
In fact, much of what you stated (pasted at the end of my comments) I agree with. Laura has class, sophistication, wit, and is 99% great. But she’s not an archangel, nor would she aspire to be. She has taken potshots here and there at the others (snipes) and her barbs, owing to her dry wit, are hidden like a needle in a haystack. But they are still barbs. Does that make her horrid person? No. Is Jeffery somewhat like a mean little kid? Yes. Is he talented – absolutely.

What makes you the arbiter of what I see or don’t see? You run off at the mouth half-cocked (to use a few worthy clichés).
I, as anyone with a brain, can discern the differences. You jumped into a discussion I was having with Carole (who kindly revealed to me that Laura didn’t start the “Mom said”) and you assume my thoughts about Laura and then transplant them into fabrications about my thoughts regarding Jeffery. You have NO idea how I think about any of the designers.

In fact I think Laura talented and painstaking in her execution, many of her designs are wonderful, some suffer serious ugly. She offers classy, classical, sophisticated clothes that reflect her personality. Michael is a ball of talent, but uneven and unseasoned yet. He offers fresh views but seems caught up in sexy/trashy somewhat. He appears a delightful, sweet and lovely person. Uli is rather mysterious; her colorful, floaty, fun designs seem to speak to what she brings to life. Jeffery’s designs are edgy, youthful, innovative. He comes across as edgy and rude.

In art, many artists can do pretty. Some do things that viewers can’t understand – like the impressionist painters when they first presented their work. But the edgy ones bring the craft forward, and that is what Jeffery does. Perhaps his tongue will gentle as he becomes more successful.

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To see that you do not recognize the difference in their behavior speaks far more about your lack of discernment and frankly your taste level, than anything about Laura.



This statement, besides being a conjecture of your own warped device, besides being wrong, makes as much sense as saying, the sky is partly-cloudy, it must be Tuesday. It seems to say quite a bit about you, while saying nothing about me. You infer a lack of discernment in me, while exhibiting quite convincingly your own. Why don’t you have a sip of PR punch, a cheeseburger and chill out.


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Laura does indeed deflate pomposity. NEVER has she said "Oh I should have won that challenge" (which btw, Jeffrey would say every time) nor does she refer disparagingly to Jeffrey's, Uli's and Michael's aesthetic, as Jeffrey does. She shot Jeffrey down from day one, and Keith too, when both were saying everyone else was inferior and they were better. When Keith started behaving arrogantly after winning the first challenge, and then took Michael's sewing machine, she spoke up and directed her dry wit at him. When Jeffrey behaved the same, and started violently attacking Angela and screaming "I'm allowed not to LIKE YOU ANGELA" as if anyone cared what Jeffrey liked....Laura called him on it and asked if he was so superior why was he bothering on Project Runway. Whereupon Jeffrey called her a [expletive deleted] and wished her a heart attack. All class that Jeff isnt he.

In the latter stages of the competition, when all the remaining players were presented with Angela and Vincent, EVERYONE was upset, not just Laura, and Laura spoke her feelings frankly to Angela, instead of speaking villianously about her behind her back as Jeffrey did every time she left the room (and probably when she was within earshot too).

Laura has shown breeding and level headedness throughout the competition, and it was HER who got Angela her win, as she kept Angela from putting on her rosettes, and possibly getting auf'd right away. Contrast this to Jeffrey, who according to the other contestants in the bonus video, was ENCOURAGING Angela to add more rosettes in order to get her auf'd, and laughing about it in that snakey way he has behind her back.


IronChef
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ITA, dams, on the grammar issues. I have a degree in English, and my grandmother was a high school librarian before she retired, so I have a keen appreciation for grammar and spelling. But that doesn't mean I feel the need to correct everyone, especially with regard to proper names.

It's one thing to know the difference, proper spelling and usage of "two," "to" and "too," and to know the delicate rules of the apostrophe, but to expect people to get proper names right, unless they're important historical figures, is a little much.

I'm a stickler for spelling and grammar, but I stay my "red-pencil" hand most times, mainly because I do realize the unusual and innate intricacies of an online forum versus the graded venue of a classroom.

Yes, I cringe at the spelling and grammar on the boards at times, but I try not to be so anal about it all, despite my first inclinations to correct. I make typos too, and I hope the rest of the board will be forgiving of them.

I respect the "grammar hammers" of the world, because I've been one of them, but maybe we should think about turning those hammers into slightly less damaging mallets here.

Lia




Thanks Lia...sometimes I see posts like Mother Hubbards and I think...aren't we here to have fun?

Also I have flashbacks to 3rd grade and standing at the black board trying to spell while evryone is watching my back waiting for me to mess up...AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! It makes me want to greb the bathroom pass and disappear....lol:)




I have my own nightmare flashback, though of the opposite kind. In 4th grade, my teacher announced to the entire class that there was only one student out of the whole class who got 100% on the end-of-year spelling test. She walked up and down the rows of students, proclaiming her disdain for the rest of the class while singling out this one superior student for praise.

Who did that praise-worthy student end up being? Me. She slapped the spelling test on my desk, and applauded me. I wanted to die. For the rest of the year, I was sneered at as "teacher's pet," and I'll never forget the anguish.

I love language, and I love writing it, but I never, ever want to be singled out like that again. My guess is, most people wouldn't want to either, whether for good or ill.

Lia
jitteryjewel
Kan't wee ale jest git a log!

Just went to the store:
*Oreo's and Snikers for all*
damselfly
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Kan't wee ale jest git a log!

Just went to the store:
*Oreo's and Snikers for all*




*Lean's over and smells your Oreos*

Ahh...I miss Oreo's more than anything...I don't eat chocolate...so excuse me if I drool as I watch you eat one....
IronChef
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Kan't wee ale jest git a log!

Just went to the store:
*Oreo's and Snikers for all*




A-corse wee kain!! It's Hallaween tyme soon, and I got me sum Frooty Pebblz marshmalla skwarz--hooz up fer treets???

Lia
jitteryjewel
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Kan't wee ale jest git a log!

Just went to the store:
*Oreo's and Snikers for all*




*Lean's over and smells your Oreos*

Ahh...I miss Oreo's more than anything...I don't eat chocolate...so excuse me if I drool as I watch you eat one....




You should try one of these. Literary Oreo's contain none of the fat or calories of a regular Oreo. It's the only time I enjoy eating my words LOL!
jitteryjewel
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Kan't wee ale jest git a log!

Just went to the store:
*Oreo's and Snikers for all*




A-corse wee kain!! It's Hallaween tyme soon, and I got me sum Frooty Pebblz marshmalla skwarz--hooz up fer treets???

Lia




AHHHHH! My fav's pass em here!
Chefsgirl
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I HATE LAURA I HOPE SHE HAS A MISCARRIAGE





Do you hear yourself? I would NEVER wish this on any woman.
tamarinden
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Kan't wee ale jest git a log!

Just went to the store:
*Oreo's and Snikers for all*




A-corse wee kain!! It's Hallaween tyme soon, and I got me sum Frooty Pebblz marshmalla skwarz--hooz up fer treets???

Lia




AHHHHH! My fav's pass em here!





miam miam Ill have one of everything

chefsa: my apologies
wildcat100
After seeing the rerun of the finale, I decided to throw in my 2 cents.

I really like Michael, he's just a nice person, but I agree with the poster a few pages back (sorry, I don't remember who the poster was) who said Michael worked well on the challenges but had trouble when he was given complete artistic freedom. He has talent but not alot of experience, maybe he needs more time and experience in the fashion industry so he can develop his style before having his own line.

There's not much I can say about Uli. I still think alot of her clothes look alike, but she's a professional and it shows.

The Laura and Jeffrey thing. Let's take Jeffrey first. You can't blame him, or any of the designers for that matter, for wanting to have as much done as possible before going to Fashion Week. Considering the surprise that was thrown on the designers in Season 2, it was a smart move. Laura commented that Jeffreys' craftsmanship was never up to that level during the challenges and that you don't pull craftsmanship like that out of your ass. Well, you don't when you have 1 or 2 days to put an outfit together--to make 12 outfits for Fashion Week, they had roughly 5-6 days per outfit, plenty of time to perfect the garment. Plus this is how Jeffrey, like Uli, makes a living--they're professionals and know what it takes to put a whole collection together. Laura does not. This is her very first time putting a collection together. I can only think that her belief about Jeffrey outsourcing his garments comes from her lack of experience in the industry.

Tim Gunn is right in investigating the accusation. It would be a shame for anyone to win (or lose) unfairly.
Chefsgirl
Mainer, where's the love? I hope that if you have children, you are not poisoning them with all your hate.
tamarinden
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After seeing the rerun of the finale, I decided to throw in my 2 cents.

I really like Michael, he's just a nice person, but I agree with the poster a few pages back (sorry, I don't remember who the poster was) who said Michael worked well on the challenges but had trouble when he was given complete artistic freedom. He has talent but not alot of experience, maybe he needs more time and experience in the fashion industry so he can develop his style before having his own line.

There's not much I can say about Uli. I still think alot of her clothes look alike, but she's a professional and it shows.

The Laura and Jeffrey thing. Let's take Jeffrey first. You can't blame him, or any of the designers for that matter, for wanting to have as much done as possible before going to Fashion Week. Considering the surprise that was thrown on the designers in Season 2, it was a smart move. Laura commented that Jeffreys' craftsmanship was never up to that level during the challenges and that you don't pull craftsmanship like that out of your ass. Well, you don't when you have 1 or 2 days to put an outfit together--to make 12 outfits for Fashion Week, they had roughly 5-6 days per outfit, plenty of time to perfect the garment. Plus this is how Jeffrey, like Uli, makes a living--they're professionals and know what it takes to put a whole collection together. Laura does not. This is her very first time putting a collection together. I can only think that her belief about Jeffrey outsourcing his garments comes from her lack of experience in the industry.

Tim Gunn is right in investigating the accusation. It would be a shame for anyone to win (or lose) unfairly.




The problem with your theory (which is a good one and may or may not be true) is that Laura is by far the most accomplished seamstress of the four. Her designs are the best made, and fastest made, period. There were many times when Jeffrey was finished with a garment with hours to spare, yet he never took the time to upgrade his level of sewing, or his inseams, hems, or facing, and yet he had the time!

Jeffrey himself says in the fourth challenge bonus video coverage that he has not sewn A STITCH in 2 years, the people who work for him have done all that sewing.

Laura was taught sewing beginning at age 6 I believe by her mother, who TAUGHT sewing, she was not just a seamstress, but TAUGHT the craft for a living (and is also a former model).

Suddenly, Jeffrey went beyond anything he had been capable of and the others should know, ESPECIALLY Laura as she is an expert seamstress. And she worked beside him for 5 weeks.

Maybe Jeffrey didn't cheat, and undoubtedly its impossible to prove, so he will be presenting. But the person who would know better than anyone, Laura, believes he did.
ArtInstigator
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Mainer, where's the love? I hope that if you have children, you are not poisoning them with all your hate.


Hhmmmm..Chefsgirl?
If you're going to slam another poster, would you at least quote what you are slamming? I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Alice is about one of the least-hating posters on this board, IMHO
AI
actor59
Tam look at what your are saying hon! I know you are a Laura fan but think about what you are saying. As much as you don't like Jeffrey's attitude don't for a moment think that Laura is more talented in sewing just because her mother was a seamstress. We already know she is good! But for christ sake Jeffrey has had this career for over 5 years makeing clothes for Rockers...You don't think an addict can put their addiction into something else sans clothing? Jeffrey can sew just because he had to get back up to snuff dose not mean he can't! Ever ride a bike? Once you learn....kinda of like makin love....lol catch my drift ethier way you don't forget how to do it!
brillke
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Mainer, where's the love? I hope that if you have children, you are not poisoning them with all your hate.






Ya know, Im trying to play well with others. Ive been having fun with a bit of snark from time to time but when you go and make a personal remark like that, gloves are off. You need to back up and keep the personal insults out. I looked up the post Alice was replying to and boy howdy, I agree with Alice. It was racist. If you have a problem with something a poster says, fine, call them on it, but if your gonna sink to personal attacks, be prepared to get them back.

brillke
IronChef
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Mainer, where's the love? I hope that if you have children, you are not poisoning them with all your hate.




I have to wonder, chefsgirl, whether you're confusing Mainer's post with the post Mainer was responding to. Mainer isn't the racist one, IMO, though I have my doubts about the poster Mainer was replying to, since vuduchile's posts so far have consisted of:

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Laura may be a rich [expletive deleted] now due to marriage but you can see her Louisiana white trash roots through and through! ( that's why she has 5 kids and more coming!) Why else would she act in such an evil uncouth way towards Jeffry? It's obvious she is jealous of his inate talent,street sense and youthful current style. Also have you noticed the condescending way she acts towards black people?( i'm black so I can say this People!) Being so fake and kissy kissy with Michael just cause he's black, picking a black model just because she is black and she has a black nanny/babysitter too. Like "Oh I love all these smiling happy negroes - reminds me of my childhood in Louisiana!"
Her husband is obviously a henpecked emasculated wimp- I'm sure she runs the show in that house!
One more thing-Laura was bitching that she never had enough money to start her own line- and that is why she wanted to win judging from the huge NY loft she lives in somebody has some $$$- maybe she should scale down and use some birth control and she could afford her own line ( since she is not good enough to win Project runway)

Ps Michael knight is sweet but some of his designs belong on hotghettomess.com! not on a runway!




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I did not say LAura was jealous of Michael I said she was jealous Of Jeffry _ read more csrefully pleeze! Isaid she was condescending towards Michael and probably every black person she comes across because she is a Louisiana redneck hillbilly [expletive deleted] underneath it all!




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Laura has faux grace and a "whole lotta ugly" in her as she would say! No one one with grace would make the comments she has made about other contestants. She is a HATER!! Jeffry is a bit rude at times like I am but at least he is real he's not trying to pass himself off as
anything he is not Unlike Miss Laura- She is not a classy socialite, she is Cruella Deville with that big red gash of a mouth her designs are cliche old and tired and she should go back tot he trailer park int he swamp where she belongs! ( incidentally that is why she was so hard on Kane- because he reminded her of her tacky roots which she is obviously ashamed of!) so talk about self hate!




Talk about hate, period--vuduchile sure seems to have a lot of it to hand out! I don't think Mainer's the one you should be asking "where's the love," though--you might want to check in with vuduchile on that one instead.

Lia
brillke
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Tam look at what your are saying hon! I know you are a Laura fan but think about what you are saying. As much as you don't like Jeffrey's attitude don't for a moment think that Laura is more talented in sewing just because her mother was a seamstress. We already know she is good! But for christ sake Jeffrey has had this career for over 5 years makeing clothes for Rockers...You don't think an addict can put their addiction into something else sans clothing? Jeffrey can sew just because he had to get back up to snuff dose not mean he can't! Ever ride a bike? Once you learn....kinda of like makin love....lol catch my drift ethier way you don't forget how to do it!







Actually, Jeffrey said he had to learn to sew again for the show. Does that mean he had others do his work, dunno.

brillke
actor59
Agree whole heartedly Brillke I just hope that Alice saw my post to her about 4 pages back and was not attacking me!
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After seeing the rerun of the finale, I decided to throw in my 2 cents.

I really like Michael, he's just a nice person, but I agree with the poster a few pages back (sorry, I don't remember who the poster was) who said Michael worked well on the challenges but had trouble when he was given complete artistic freedom. He has talent but not alot of experience, maybe he needs more time and experience in the fashion industry so he can develop his style before having his own line.

There's not much I can say about Uli. I still think alot of her clothes look alike, but she's a professional and it shows.

The Laura and Jeffrey thing. Let's take Jeffrey first. You can't blame him, or any of the designers for that matter, for wanting to have as much done as possible before going to Fashion Week. Considering the surprise that was thrown on the designers in Season 2, it was a smart move. Laura commented that Jeffreys' craftsmanship was never up to that level during the challenges and that you don't pull craftsmanship like that out of your ass. Well, you don't when you have 1 or 2 days to put an outfit together--to make 12 outfits for Fashion Week, they had roughly 5-6 days per outfit, plenty of time to perfect the garment. Plus this is how Jeffrey, like Uli, makes a living--they're professionals and know what it takes to put a whole collection together. Laura does not. This is her very first time putting a collection together. I can only think that her belief about Jeffrey outsourcing his garments comes from her lack of experience in the industry.

Tim Gunn is right in investigating the accusation. It would be a shame for anyone to win (or lose) unfairly.




The problem with your theory (which is a good one and may or may not be true) is that Laura is by far the most accomplished seamstress of the four. Her designs are the best made, and fastest made, period. There were many times when Jeffrey was finished with a garment with hours to spare, yet he never took the time to upgrade his level of sewing, or his inseams, hems, or facing, and yet he had the time!

Jeffrey himself says in the fourth challenge bonus video coverage that he has not sewn A STITCH in 2 years, the people who work for him have done all that sewing.

Laura was taught sewing beginning at age 6 I believe by her mother, who TAUGHT sewing, she was not just a seamstress, but TAUGHT the craft for a living (and is also a former model).

Suddenly, Jeffrey went beyond anything he had been capable of and the others should know, ESPECIALLY Laura as she is an expert seamstress. And she worked beside him for 5 weeks.

Maybe Jeffrey didn't cheat, and undoubtedly its impossible to prove, so he will be presenting. But the person who would know better than anyone, Laura, believes he did.




True - it's probably impossible to prove. It's a case of he said, she said. Personally, I don't think there was anything malicious behind Laura's comments, I think she said what she believed from her own instinct and out of a sense of fairness in the competition. I guess it comes down to a question of Jeffrey's character--do we believe, or more importantly do the producers believe, that after making it this far in the competition he would resort to cheating in order to win. I'm sure people will disagree with me, but none of the final four strike me as cheaters. Competitive, outspoken, sometimes rude and crude--Yes! Evil cheaters who have no conscience and would do anything to win--No!
brillke
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Mainer, where's the love? I hope that if you have children, you are not poisoning them with all your hate.




I have to wonder, chefsgirl, whether you're confusing Mainer's post with the post Mainer was responding to. Mainer isn't the racist one, IMO, though I have my doubts about the poster Mainer was replying to, since vuduchile's posts so far have consisted of:

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Laura may be a rich [expletive deleted] now due to marriage but you can see her Louisiana white trash roots through and through! ( that's why she has 5 kids and more coming!) Why else would she act in such an evil uncouth way towards Jeffry? It's obvious she is jealous of his inate talent,street sense and youthful current style. Also have you noticed the condescending way she acts towards black people?( i'm black so I can say this People!) Being so fake and kissy kissy with Michael just cause he's black, picking a black model just because she is black and she has a black nanny/babysitter too. Like "Oh I love all these smiling happy negroes - reminds me of my childhood in Louisiana!"
Her husband is obviously a henpecked emasculated wimp- I'm sure she runs the show in that house!
One more thing-Laura was bitching that she never had enough money to start her own line- and that is why she wanted to win judging from the huge NY loft she lives in somebody has some $$$- maybe she should scale down and use some birth control and she could afford her own line ( since she is not good enough to win Project runway)

Ps Michael knight is sweet but some of his designs belong on hotghettomess.com! not on a runway!




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I did not say LAura was jealous of Michael I said she was jealous Of Jeffry _ read more csrefully pleeze! Isaid she was condescending towards Michael and probably every black person she comes across because she is a Louisiana redneck hillbilly [expletive deleted] underneath it all!




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Laura has faux grace and a "whole lotta ugly" in her as she would say! No one one with grace would make the comments she has made about other contestants. She is a HATER!! Jeffry is a bit rude at times like I am but at least he is real he's not trying to pass himself off as
anything he is not Unlike Miss Laura- She is not a classy socialite, she is Cruella Deville with that big red gash of a mouth her designs are cliche old and tired and she should go back tot he trailer park int he swamp where she belongs! ( incidentally that is why she was so hard on Kane- because he reminded her of her tacky roots which she is obviously ashamed of!) so talk about self hate!




Talk about hate, period--vuduchile sure seems to have a lot of it to hand out! I don't think Mainer's the one you should be asking "where's the love," though--you might want to check in with vuduchile on that one instead.

Lia








Lia said it better then I did. Well done,

brillke
swiss74
The problem with your theory (which is a good one and may or may not be true) is that Laura is by far the most accomplished seamstress of the four.
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I tend to disagree with you here, I believe both Uli and Laura are equal on the machine. Uli excels in matching patterns while Laura does great hand bead work. I have watched this very closely when Uli matches up a pattern, this is what I hate the most when sewing a patterned piece of material. I think they both started to sew at around the same age. Yes Laura is older and has been sewing a few years longer, but I do think they both are about equal in basic sewing ability.
actor59
Come on Brillke...you know what I ment!!! Yes ofcourse he said he had to learn to sew all over again.....but if you had not ridden a bike since you were a kid would not say the exact same thing ooops I have to learn to ride all over again. To put it simple I'm an old Ballet dancer have not done it for 18 years but if for some reason and my body could stand it at 47 you don't think after years of it ingrained in my body and soul I could pick it up again?
LuzMila
that post bothered me too, actor
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Honey...I live in New Orleans and we are far from racist A-holes. I'm white live in a prodominately black city...So don't dump on us. We are an extremely ardventgard city in most respects...music..theatre...movies...art...and funkiness...not to mention the food! New orleans is a city like alot of cities in Europe. I have lived all over the U.S.A. and there is no city like New Orleans in all of the U.S.A. We are a breed of our own. So just because you do not like Laura do not put my city down please we have enough crap to go through just to rebuild after Katrina. It seems to me you have not visited this city and seen all the warmth we give to everybody.Not attacking you but we are a little different than most of LA.



Bravo, Actor! NOLA is one of my favorite cities in the US! I honeymooned there, and we went back for a repeat 28 years later. I would make any excuse to visit again. Love the culture; love the night life; love, love, love the food! I can even tolerate the summer humidity, seeing as I'm a native Washingtonian.

I will stand behind you and stand up for Nawlins any day, any time!

Mother H
swiss74
Actually, Jeffrey said he had to learn to sew again for the show. Does that mean he had others do his work, dunno.
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I understand what Jeffrey meant when he said he had to learn to sew again. I sewed from around 5th grade thru high school and college. I then drifted away and went back after about 5 years. I needed to sit and look at how to put a zipper in a pair of men's pants, how to put in a hidden hem, how to do a notched collar, how to some advances and beginning techniques, it was like a refresher period, I did not forget how to do it really, I just had to refresh the techniques of doing it, and the steps you follow. I can not say for sure, but I would imagine that is what Jeffrey meant when he said he needed to learn to sew again. As someone said when you learn to do it you really do not forget how to do it, like riding a bike.
actor59
Swiss love ya but do y'all not remember that Jeffrey had to show them all how to use the sewing machines in France?
swiss74
Geeze my typing is going down the tubes tonight...thinking faster than my fingers move over the keyboard.
IronChef
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Lia said it better then I did. Well done,

brillke




Thank you, brillke. I completely agree with what you said, too.

Lia
actor59
Watch out for Mother Hubbard Swiss she already got me...LOL
swiss74
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Swiss love ya but do y'all not remember that Jeffrey had to show them all how to use the sewing machines in France?



I totally agree with you Actor, know my typing was bad, and yes he did have to show people how to use the machines in France, he also as I remember gave a few instructions on how to use the machines at Parsons.
brillke
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Agree whole heartedly Brillke I just hope that Alice saw my post to her about 4 pages back and was not attacking me!






Watching some of the PR marathon and they just showed the commercial for next week. Its the one with Jeffrey crying while Tim says unfortuantly. I think he mnay say something like nothing could be proved so Jeffrey will be judged. Just an observation. If Jeffrey isnt allowed to be judged, its the whole Karasaun thing with the shoes again. Oh well, gotta wait until next week to be sure anyways,

brillke
actor59
Thanks... I never knew that acid after 30 years could effect me today...lol....Tam only kidding here on the drug use...I just don't get the fact that most people don't realize all of the contestants can sew...especially jeffrey! It has been maybe only 2 years that he has outsource his work before that he could not aford it had to do it himself...IMO
dogabone
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Watch out for Mother Hubbard Swiss she already got me...LOL



Please, I don't bite. It's just that once in a rare while, I feel the need to say something about spelling, and I only tackle the proper names since dealing with everything—plus the grammar—would make me the biggest troll on this board. I just have to vent in a small way every so often so I won't explode—and I guarantee, you don't want to see that!

I try to keep things light and civil, and I mostly reserve my corrections for my own messages, which tend to undergo multiple reviews and still manage to get posted with embarrassing errors!

Mother H
swiss74
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Swiss love ya but do y'all not remember that Jeffrey had to show them all how to use the sewing machines in France?



I totally agree with you Actor, know my typing was bad, and yes he did have to show people how to use the machines in France, he also as I remember gave a few instructions on how to use the machines at Parsons.



I think he meant he just have to refresh his techniques. Do not mean to infer he had to relearn to sew. He just needed to refresh...like riding a bike...you always remember how to do it but you may not remember how to do a wheelee without a few minutes of practice.
actor59
You know Brillke as a avid Jeffrey Fan someone earlier said PR put on more of the Laura / Jeffrey debacale video I watched all of it and still did not know how to find it.. Saw all the bonus scenes etc. but no new evidence. I think Jeffrey was able to compete scared the blank out of me .... but this is the best PR ever...well I do miss Santino!
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