mainer
October 15, 2006 - 03:13 PM
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man, that laura is really a conniving self-serving b!tch. nice way to make unfounded allegations with ZERO evidence that amount to little more than SLANDER. anyone with any decency at all would have confronted jeffrey about it first before whining to Tim. anyone with any integrity would have waited until they had actual EVIDENCE before slandering someone based only on their so-called "gut." laura is threatened by jeffrey's great collection, so she has to try to sabotage him, taking a page right out of angela's playbook. respect level falls to zero. i hope sebelian kicks her pasty white @ss at bryant park.
so i gather you dont like laura. hmmmmm oh well
guess you saw nothing wrong with jefferys behavior throughout the entire show. nothing like blinders on.
alice
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 03:14 PM
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you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
What?
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Ok, I'm sorry ... WHAT?!?
Tam has expressed opinions, but I don't think she's ever "acted like the authority" here, or tried to act as if her opinion is the "undisputed truth." There have been posters here who have fallen under that category--hell, myself included at times--but Tam has never been in that club, IMO.
I just don't see where that commentary was necessary.
Lia
mainer
October 15, 2006 - 03:15 PM
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i'm really getting tired of her attitude, too, calling everyone who threatens her an "@sshole" and trashing all the other designers on just about every episode with her "serious ugly" unsuccessful-attempt-to-make-a-catchphrase comments. i can't wait till she loses.
is it any better jeffery wishing she have a stroke, or calling angelas mom a [expletive deleted]
pot calling the kettle black
IMHO
alice
notevayas
October 15, 2006 - 03:16 PM
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"Write down one instance of Laura whining? For each one I will show you ten by jeffrey."
I think alot of people are confusing Lauras joking around as whining. Oh well, Im not gonna get all bent out of shape over it and take it personal. People will see what they want to see in both Jeffrey and Laura.
brillke
Brillke your wit is dry like Laura, I think you are very wise One reason I like you so much. You just say things clearly and humorously without making excuses and let the .... there is an american expression but I cant remember. Something about gambling. Anyway I take your advice
Kenny Rogers..The Gambler
On a warm summers evenin on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.
So we took turns a starin out the window at the darkness
til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.
He said, son, Ive made a life out of readin peoples faces,
And knowin what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
So if you dont mind my sayin, I can see youre out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey Ill give you some advice.
So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, if youre gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
Now every gambler knows that the secret to survivin
Is knowin what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
cause every hands a winner and every hands a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.
So when hed finished speakin, he turned back towards the window,
Crushed out his cigarette and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the gambler, he broke even.
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep.
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count you r money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 03:16 PM
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Project runway season 3 broken down fo ya!
jeffery. of coarse he didn't cheat. that's retarded. even if he had someone else sow some of his stuff . . . what does that have to do with the design?
i don't understand why nobody on that show or watching the show has paid attention to the fact that he's designed [censored] for jennifer lopez and lisa marie presley and other celebs.
that is a big deal. perhaps his work was as nice as it was because perhaps he knows what he's doing!
the only reason why anybody doubted him to begin with is because he's clearly the most talented.
that michael guy..all the [censored] he designs is just altered recreations of other peoples fashions and if it turns out that he won . . . then the show will lose all it's credibility.
lauras got 5 kids . . . and i dont believe she worked non stop and just ignored the [censored] out of her kids. that's [censored]. if that's true than she's a one note AND a bad mother!
they had months to work on things and then when tim went to michaels house, he made 1 outfit and had some crappy designs with some sparkly [censored] on the wall. something a street [expletive deleted] would wear. it was so ghetto tacky.
and "zeee oooooley"...i don't know what the judges are looking at but everything she makes is the same thing. they sit there and say, "oh she designed something new and unexpected" and then you look at it...and it's like we're watching a rerun from from last week and the week before and the week before and the week before. give me a friggen break dude!
all this feel good . . . give the minority the prize - not because he deserves it or because of his talent - just give it to him because jeffery's mean and michael is a poor black boy - is friggen rediculous.
i swear, ever since those people in comptan rioted and beat the [censored] out of that white truck driver, it's like all of television is geared to not piss of the black people. why aren't black people insulted by that?
Uuhhh ...
Ok, I admit it. I'm speechless.
Lia
nowvoyager
October 15, 2006 - 03:17 PM
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yeah i have, and she's got none. probable cause, lol. probable cause is EVIDENCE, not a "gut feeling." 
jeffrey finished first on many occasions. he's the most innovative and the most conceptually advanced of all of the four. he's been in the business and knows what he's doing. laura has NO EVIDENCE.
do you understand the concept of "evidence?"
No one has to have evidence in order to bring accusation against another. All citizens have the legal right to accuse an/other citizen(s) of illegal behavior and/or activity. Laura isn't required to show evidence before bringing accusation; our legal system NEVER worked that way, thank goodness, and hopefully NEVER will.
It's good that you feel so passionately about Jeffrey's innocence but don't let it blind you to reality.
janman50
October 15, 2006 - 03:20 PM
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I did not say LAura was jealous of Michael I said she was jealous Of Jeffry _ read more csrefully pleeze! Isaid she was condescending towards Michael and probably every black person she comes across because she is a Louisiana redneck hillbilly [expletive deleted] underneath it all!
You need to stop that garbage right now!
Louisinna whites and Louisanna blacks have a history longer and closer than any of your nasty comments/rant will ever have. So close that when a black person sneezes on one side of town, a white person catches cold on the other. You would know that if, and I repeat if you have ever been there. There are parts of NOLA, where you can't tell the blacks from the whites and whites from the blacks. In fact, a whole lot of the south is that way. SHUT UP.
If anything, Laura was drawn to Michael's southern, gentlemanly manners and he to her southern mannerisms (though not obviously visable at first). She reiminded him of his mom or aunt, sister(?); he reminded her of dad, uncle, brother(?). Are you so jaded you don't see that? The south pretty much got over that civil war thing and has made astounding progress past the turbulent 60's. Yeah, there are still your isolated pockets, but judging by Laura's and Michael's relationship, she was not in any of them.
Get a life, explore America, see the south for yourself. Learn it's history, meet its people. Read a book or two. No condescention there, just a lot of love and mutual respect.
Now, in the words of my mom, from Chattanooga, TN and my dad, Petersburg VA: I sincerely apologize for sounding so harsh, but honey chile, you don't know sh** from shinola. (LOL)
Thanks for bringing that to the table though. Now that its been presented and cleared, desert anyone? Oh look, we have cookies! Eat up ya'll!
LuzMila
October 15, 2006 - 03:22 PM
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I think a lot of people don't understand the mechanics of sewing. The thing that is upsetting is that Jeffrey has fewer sewing skills than Laura to be sure, yet he offered Leather pants and chemise. Leather is the most difficult medium there is to sew properly. It requires industrial grade machinery, which is why you will not see most amateurs using equipment of this calibre. Add to this certain linings and finishings that are way above Jeffrey's observed abilities and Laura realized she is competing against a professional organization.
I am at a loss to explain why Jeffrey was allowed on Project Runway, as he owns a design studio with all the goodies which the others do not.
Put it this way. If you took Jeffrey away from his studio, and his machines, and Laura too, and gave them both a needle and thread and a customer, Jeffrey could not compete with Laura. Laura would be able to design and sew a perfect garment for this person. Jeffrey would not. In the bonus video on Bravo, Jeffrey admit he has not sewn a stitch in 2 years! And he further states he is weak with patterns. Laura is the daughter of a sewing teacher and she has exquisite taste and skills. In an environment such as I describe, she could not lose. It is for this reason I adore her, and I find it sad that the winner would be determined posibly by dint of have access to skilled seamstresses and a design studio.
Tam, how can you say that Jeffrey has fewer sewing skills than Laura? Her mother taught her... He went to school for construction and pattern making... he knew more about the machines in paris... I think you might be making assumptions about Jeffrey... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.... Yes laura can sew... but, no one has wanted to believe that Jeffrey has a successful business in LA... especially Laura... HE STARTED his business making leather jackets.... He didn't have a staff working for him when he started... please... give the guy a break... you don't know him... or Laura... either do most of us on this board..
you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
I'm sorry, I think it's uncalled for... I realize , however... that it is your opinion... and in the words of Robert... "you are entitled to your wrong opinion" IMHO
I could be wrong, but having sewn all my life, its a hard skill to master. But the biggest thing is that Jeffrey SAID HIMSELF he has not sewn in 2 years, and that he has always been weak in patterns.
Plus people who have seen his work at the Macy's window report that you can see seams and hanging threads.
Just because you like Jeffrey does not mean that you can ignore his own words where he speaks to his sewing skills and his pattern making. Brushing up on them, he never showed particularly good sewing skills as far as finishing during the competition.
If you disagree fine. I could be wrong. So could you.
He also said that he spent some serious time brushing up on his skills before he got there.
He might be a "natural"... I train athletes for a living... there are just "naturals'... and the rest have to work REALLY hard to try to keep up...
you say ... some people saw in Macy's! ... people only see/hear what they want to see/hear... that should be very obvious by now... I have also read other's accounts that said his work was impressive....
I have come to respect Jeffrey's designs... I don't like the way he behaves... he probably wouldn't like me... and I seriously don't think we could hang out...
but,
I think it's entirely possible that he could go back to his place and sew just as Fabulously as Laura... even more so... because he is DOES have a successful business and professional equipment...
Laura designs vintage looking clothing... that's fine... if that's what you like...
but, no one... should act like an authority here... not me...not you... and the flamers... should just be gnored...
beechlapper
October 15, 2006 - 03:22 PM
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you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
What?
:::blinks:::
Ok, I'm sorry ... WHAT?!?
Tam has expressed opinions, but I don't think she's ever "acted like the authority" here, or tried to act as if her opinion is the "undisputed truth." There have been posters here who have fallen under that category--hell, myself included at times--but Tam has never been in that club, IMO.
I just don't see where that commentary was necessary.
Lia
I beg to differ. IMHO, a lot of the material in Tam's posts do not sound like opinions, they are presented as fact. I agree that it comes across as if she is an authority on Laura and Jeffrey's skills. Perhaps it is age, perhaps it is style, perhaps it is something more. That does not change how some people perceive it.
Maybe it doesn't sound like the post of authority to you, but it does to me. Each of us is fully capable of making a judgment as to how it sounds to us and do not need to defend that judgment to anyone.
mainer
October 15, 2006 - 03:23 PM
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PJ is just another "supporter," Kiasmama--as blindly devoted as hellbent on making anyone who doesn't "join up," or who has a differing opinion feel like they have to prove something when they really needn't at all.
hate to break it to you, but when you ACCUSE someone of breaking the rules, you DO have to prove it. laura and the laura supporters have no proof, only slander.
check your law books slander has to be intentional n with malice
there is none dang this is a tv show with a lot at stake n she had every right to question. and also im sure you could find some other adjectives besides the **** that you typed .
or is your vocabulary that limited. resorting to that doesnt give you any credibility here.
alice
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 03:24 PM
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You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
Have you ever noticed how many men look like Kenny Rogers?:
http://www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com/
Of course, even Kenny doesn't look much like Kenny amymore, thanks to plastic surgery, but "The Gambler" still rings as true to day as ever!
Lia
LuzMila
October 15, 2006 - 03:26 PM
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2. Laura whined about how much harder it was for her than the others cause she is pregnant..... well...... doesn't she know by now what causes that? Is that anyone else's fault? If it's that bad - leave or quit complaining.
See.. I wanted to say that soooo many times.. but, thought I would get "yelled" at... !!! LOL They do know what causes that... most YOUNG girls "starting their careers" are very aware of that!!! ...
LuzMila
October 15, 2006 - 03:27 PM
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you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
What?
:::blinks:::
Ok, I'm sorry ... WHAT?!?
Tam has expressed opinions, but I don't think she's ever "acted like the authority" here, or tried to act as if her opinion is the "undisputed truth." There have been posters here who have fallen under that category--hell, myself included at times--but Tam has never been in that club, IMO.
I just don't see where that commentary was necessary.
Lia
the previous post about Jeffrey
CALady
October 15, 2006 - 03:27 PM
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You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
Have you ever noticed how many men look like Kenny Rogers?:
http://www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com/
Of course, even Kenny doesn't look much like Kenny amymore, thanks to plastic surgery, but "The Gambler" still rings as true to day as ever!
Lia
The true challenge for many in life, including myself, is knowing the "know" part. Just when you think you might, you are sometimes wrong. I agree though, it is a way to live your life.
brillke
October 15, 2006 - 03:27 PM
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You have no idea where something came from and yet you post it as a fact. Sheesh...it's about time you do some growing up.
Oh no you didnt...
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 03:30 PM
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you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
What?
:::blinks:::
Ok, I'm sorry ... WHAT?!?
Tam has expressed opinions, but I don't think she's ever "acted like the authority" here, or tried to act as if her opinion is the "undisputed truth." There have been posters here who have fallen under that category--hell, myself included at times--but Tam has never been in that club, IMO.
I just don't see where that commentary was necessary.
Lia
I beg to differ. IMHO, a lot of the material in Tam's posts do not sound like opinions, they are presented as fact. I agree that it comes across as if she is an authority on Laura and Jeffrey's skills. Perhaps it is age, perhaps it is style, perhaps it is something more. That does not change how some people perceive it.
Maybe it doesn't sound like the post of authority to you, but it does to me. Each of us is fully capable of making a judgment as to how it sounds to us and do not need to defend that judgment to anyone.
But we all present our opinions as fact at times here. Just take a few of our new friends into consideration. Someone here has said recently, in no uncertain terms, that Laura is a b*tch who deserves to have a miscarriage. Is that supposed to somehow be filtered out as "opinion" as opposed to "fact?"
If so, then what's the criteria for accepting something as "fact" as opposed to "letting something slide" as merely opinion?
Lia
missLILY
October 15, 2006 - 03:31 PM
So much drama on this board x_X
JayCiuM
October 15, 2006 - 03:31 PM
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You have no idea where something came from and yet you post it as a fact. Sheesh...it's about time you do some growing up.
Oh no you didnt...
Oh yes she did!! lol!!
tamarinden
October 15, 2006 - 03:32 PM
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"Write down one instance of Laura whining? For each one I will show you ten by jeffrey."
I think alot of people are confusing Lauras joking around as whining. Oh well, Im not gonna get all bent out of shape over it and take it personal. People will see what they want to see in both Jeffrey and Laura.
brillke
Brillke your wit is dry like Laura, I think you are very wise One reason I like you so much. You just say things clearly and humorously without making excuses and let the .... there is an american expression but I cant remember. Something about gambling. Anyway I take your advice
Kenny Rogers..The Gambler
On a warm summers evenin on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.
So we took turns a starin out the window at the darkness
til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.
He said, son, Ive made a life out of readin peoples faces,
And knowin what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
So if you dont mind my sayin, I can see youre out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey Ill give you some advice.
So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, if youre gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
Now every gambler knows that the secret to survivin
Is knowin what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
cause every hands a winner and every hands a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.
So when hed finished speakin, he turned back towards the window,
Crushed out his cigarette and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the gambler, he broke even.
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep.
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count you r money when youre sittin at the table.
Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
Notey You always make me smile
brillke
October 15, 2006 - 03:33 PM
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if you have something specific to say, then say it. otherwise, STFU.
Ok, Ive got something specific to say...you my dear, are a [censored] troll.
brillke
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 03:33 PM
The Winner Takes It All - ABBA
I don't wanna talk
About the things we've gone through
Though it's hurting me
Now it's history
I've played all my cards
And that's what you've done too
Nothing more to say
No more ace to play
The winner takes it all
The loser standing small
Beside the victory
That's her destiny
I was in your arms
Thinking I belonged there
I figured it made sense
Building me a fence
Building me a home
Thinking I'd be strong there
But I was a fool
Playing by the rules
The gods may throw a dice
Their minds as cold as ice
And someone way down here
Loses someone dear
The winner takes it all
The loser has to fall
It's simple and it's plain
Why should I complain.
But tell me does she kiss
Like I used to kiss you?
Does it feel the same
When she calls your name?
Somewhere deep inside
You must know I miss you
But what can I say
Rules must be obeyed
The judges will decide
The likes of me abide
Spectators of the show
Always staying low
The game is on again
A lover or a friend
A big thing or a small
The winner takes it all
I don't wanna talk
If it makes you feel sad
And I understand
You've come to shake my hand
I apologize
If it makes you feel bad
Seeing me so tense
No self-confidence
But you see
The winner takes it all
The winner takes it all......
CALady
October 15, 2006 - 03:35 PM
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if you have something specific to say, then say it. otherwise, STFU.
Ok, Ive got something specific to say...you my dear, are a [censored] troll.
brillke
Ok everyone, fire up the grill for cheeseburgers and get the PR punch flowing cause it is going to be a show now.
Brillke... go girl
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 03:36 PM
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you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
What?
:::blinks:::
Ok, I'm sorry ... WHAT?!?
Tam has expressed opinions, but I don't think she's ever "acted like the authority" here, or tried to act as if her opinion is the "undisputed truth." There have been posters here who have fallen under that category--hell, myself included at times--but Tam has never been in that club, IMO.
I just don't see where that commentary was necessary.
Lia
the previous post about Jeffrey
Yeah, I read it. Several times. But, sorry, I still don't see where such a response was necessary.
Lia
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 03:38 PM
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So much drama on this board x_X
I KNOW!!! Almost as good as the show, innit?
Lia
LuzMila
October 15, 2006 - 03:38 PM
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you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
What?
:::blinks:::
Ok, I'm sorry ... WHAT?!?
Tam has expressed opinions, but I don't think she's ever "acted like the authority" here, or tried to act as if her opinion is the "undisputed truth." There have been posters here who have fallen under that category--hell, myself included at times--but Tam has never been in that club, IMO.
I just don't see where that commentary was necessary.
Lia
I beg to differ. IMHO, a lot of the material in Tam's posts do not sound like opinions, they are presented as fact. I agree that it comes across as if she is an authority on Laura and Jeffrey's skills. Perhaps it is age, perhaps it is style, perhaps it is something more. That does not change how some people perceive it.
Maybe it doesn't sound like the post of authority to you, but it does to me. Each of us is fully capable of making a judgment as to how it sounds to us and do not need to defend that judgment to anyone.
But we all present our opinions as fact at times here. Just take a few of our new friends into consideration. Someone here has said recently, in no uncertain terms, that Laura is a b*tch who deserves to have a miscarriage. Is that supposed to somehow be filtered out as "opinion" as opposed to "fact?"
If so, then what's the criteria for accepting something as "fact" as opposed to "letting something slide" as merely opinion?
Lia
Well, several months ago the message board fairies ran through and gave us all guidelines of how to post and how not to post...
and how we should introduce ourselves first (which I never did)...
and how we should check our spelling
and be sure not to call each other...or the designers names...
and how to use smilies...
and to preface things with IMO or IMHO and
not to call anyone *%*&$^%* or &^%$*(%
even if we get mad.
And then, how to serve PR PUNCH...and grill up some burgers... and include some veggie burgers (mixed crowd)...
and if we are going OFF TOPIC... to put OT on our posts... and ummmmmmmmm...
I think I forgot a few things...
but, it was the message board fairies.. I'm sure of it...
JayCiuM
October 15, 2006 - 03:40 PM
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if you have something specific to say, then say it. otherwise, STFU.
Ok, Ive got something specific to say...you my dear, are a [censored] troll.
brillke
Ok everyone, fire up the grill for cheeseburgers and get the PR punch flowing cause it is going to be a show now.
Brillke... go girl
Pls don't encourage such BOORISH behavior! This is supposed to be a venue to express thought and opinions, not a place to insult, berate, and curse each other out!! Be nice!!
tamarinden
October 15, 2006 - 03:42 PM
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I think a lot of people don't understand the mechanics of sewing. The thing that is upsetting is that Jeffrey has fewer sewing skills than Laura to be sure, yet he offered Leather pants and chemise. Leather is the most difficult medium there is to sew properly. It requires industrial grade machinery, which is why you will not see most amateurs using equipment of this calibre. Add to this certain linings and finishings that are way above Jeffrey's observed abilities and Laura realized she is competing against a professional organization.
I am at a loss to explain why Jeffrey was allowed on Project Runway, as he owns a design studio with all the goodies which the others do not.
Put it this way. If you took Jeffrey away from his studio, and his machines, and Laura too, and gave them both a needle and thread and a customer, Jeffrey could not compete with Laura. Laura would be able to design and sew a perfect garment for this person. Jeffrey would not. In the bonus video on Bravo, Jeffrey admit he has not sewn a stitch in 2 years! And he further states he is weak with patterns. Laura is the daughter of a sewing teacher and she has exquisite taste and skills. In an environment such as I describe, she could not lose. It is for this reason I adore her, and I find it sad that the winner would be determined posibly by dint of have access to skilled seamstresses and a design studio.
Tam, how can you say that Jeffrey has fewer sewing skills than Laura? Her mother taught her... He went to school for construction and pattern making... he knew more about the machines in paris... I think you might be making assumptions about Jeffrey... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.... Yes laura can sew... but, no one has wanted to believe that Jeffrey has a successful business in LA... especially Laura... HE STARTED his business making leather jackets.... He didn't have a staff working for him when he started... please... give the guy a break... you don't know him... or Laura... either do most of us on this board..
you write a lot of things ... like you are the authority here... I guess we'll all see on Weds. ... but jeez... the way you say things like they are the undesputed truth...
I'm sorry, I think it's uncalled for... I realize , however... that it is your opinion... and in the words of Robert... "you are entitled to your wrong opinion" IMHO
I could be wrong, but having sewn all my life, its a hard skill to master. But the biggest thing is that Jeffrey SAID HIMSELF he has not sewn in 2 years, and that he has always been weak in patterns.
Plus people who have seen his work at the Macy's window report that you can see seams and hanging threads.
Just because you like Jeffrey does not mean that you can ignore his own words where he speaks to his sewing skills and his pattern making. Brushing up on them, he never showed particularly good sewing skills as far as finishing during the competition.
If you disagree fine. I could be wrong. So could you.
He also said that he spent some serious time brushing up on his skills before he got there.
He might be a "natural"... I train athletes for a living... there are just "naturals'... and the rest have to work REALLY hard to try to keep up...
you say ... some people saw in Macy's! ... people only see/hear what they want to see/hear... that should be very obvious by now... I have also read other's accounts that said his work was impressive....
I have come to respect Jeffrey's designs... I don't like the way he behaves... he probably wouldn't like me... and I seriously don't think we could hang out...
but,
I think it's entirely possible that he could go back to his place and sew just as Fabulously as Laura... even more so... because he is DOES have a successful business and professional equipment...
Laura designs vintage looking clothing... that's fine... if that's what you like...
but, no one... should act like an authority here... not me...not you... and the flamers... should just be gnored...
If he has such talent it would have been apparent during PR. It was not. There were several comments on his finishing and everyone agreed that his finishing was not particularly brilliant.
Those are the facts as I have seen them. If I am wrong, I'm wrong, but I have the right to speak and if you and the other Jeffrey supporters think I am full of it, you have the right to post that also.
I'm sorry if I seem like a know-it-all, but I am pretty sure that I know what I am talking about. As I have posted every post, I COULD BE WRONG.
To me it sounds like the Jeffrey contingent is pretty jumpy now. If you don't want to read my posts, dont read 'em.
I just hope you do not think I am a troll cos I am not. I am maybe too opinionated for my own good but its just how I am
tamarinden
October 15, 2006 - 03:44 PM
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if you have something specific to say, then say it. otherwise, STFU.
Ok, Ive got something specific to say...you my dear, are a [censored] troll.
brillke
hehe brillke gotta love that Brillke!!!!!!
swiss74
October 15, 2006 - 03:45 PM
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You have no idea where something came from and yet you post it as a fact. Sheesh...it's about time you do some growing up.
dont look at me, I like Laura! lol You are confusing me with some other @ss
Are You calling me an ass?????????? TAM I am the one that said I did not know where it came from that I had quoted someone else on the board I do not think that makes me an ass. I assumed that since you posted it, it was true, because it came from you. I can not open up the video and have tried about six times.
So you called me an ass?????????????
Guess it is time for me to leave...that was a personal attack.
CALady
October 15, 2006 - 03:45 PM
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Ok, Ive got something specific to say...you my dear, are a [censored] troll.
brillke
Ok everyone, fire up the grill for cheeseburgers and get the PR punch flowing cause it is going to be a show now.
Brillke... go girl
Pls don't encourage such BOORISH behavior! This is supposed to be a venue to express thought and opinions, not a place to insult, berate, and curse each other out!! Be nice!!
I was not encouraging it as much as expressing a thought and opion of what I know. I do not have to be her keeper. She calls them like they are and a lot of the time she is dead on. Did not see where I was not being nice.
Carole
October 15, 2006 - 03:49 PM
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Then I read that she had been reading the blogs, and found that Jeffrey was pretty disliked (which she called him and told him).
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Are you actually stating that she called him on the phone and told him he was "pretty disliked?"
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Yes, that is exactly what she did. I think she found it funny, but I am at a loss to explain why she did it really. Besides, its not like Jeffrey doesnt realize he is detested. He said he has been shocked by the hatred his behavior has generated in an interview.
. I am not too surprised at anything any of them say ON the program. What I was surprised at that she called him at home after the program had started to be aired. That means she stopped what she was doing and called him up. Maybe she was showing him how people disliked his behaviour, but that is not her job is it???????? .
Will someone please give me the source of the claim that Laura called Jeffrey?
Hi Carol
here it is
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer...45724&ch=580397
Thank you, Tam, I hadn't see that.
beechlapper
October 15, 2006 - 03:52 PM
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But we all present our opinions as fact at times here. Just take a few of our new friends into consideration. Someone here has said recently, in no uncertain terms, that Laura is a b*tch who deserves to have a miscarriage. Is that supposed to somehow be filtered out as "opinion" as opposed to "fact?"
If so, then what's the criteria for accepting something as "fact" as opposed to "letting something slide" as merely opinion?
Lia
You did not read my post closely. I said nothing about how we accept the information, I stated how it was presented. The writer has no control over how things are accepted, they do have control over how ideas are presented.
I do not for one minute believe that Tam has any personal knowledge of either Jeffrey's or Laura's sewing skills beyond what has been presented on the series. Yet that does not prevent her from making statements to the effect that Jeffrey has poorer sewing skills than Laura on all fabrics under all conditions - even when he has an established business, superior equipment, and has experience sewing garments for celebrities.
While some people may operate under the assumption that everything posted here is an opinion, there are others who look at the tone and the way things are presented to make that determination. I am one of those people in the latter group.
tamarinden
October 15, 2006 - 03:53 PM
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The Winner Takes It All - ABBA
I don't wanna talk
About the things we've gone through
Though it's hurting me
Now it's history
I've played all my cards
And that's what you've done too
Nothing more to say
No more ace to play
The winner takes it all
The loser standing small
Beside the victory
That's her destiny
I was in your arms
Thinking I belonged there
I figured it made sense
Building me a fence
Building me a home
Thinking I'd be strong there
But I was a fool
Playing by the rules
The gods may throw a dice
Their minds as cold as ice
And someone way down here
Loses someone dear
The winner takes it all
The loser has to fall
It's simple and it's plain
Why should I complain.
But tell me does she kiss
Like I used to kiss you?
Does it feel the same
When she calls your name?
Somewhere deep inside
You must know I miss you
But what can I say
Rules must be obeyed
The judges will decide
The likes of me abide
Spectators of the show
Always staying low
The game is on again
A lover or a friend
A big thing or a small
The winner takes it all
I don't wanna talk
If it makes you feel sad
And I understand
You've come to shake my hand
I apologize
If it makes you feel bad
Seeing me so tense
No self-confidence
But you see
The winner takes it all
The winner takes it all......
Nice one! Big Abba fan here! My boyfriend is swedish and he took me to an Abba concert (abba impersonators) in Kobenhaven when I was 16! Loved it!
notevayas
October 15, 2006 - 03:55 PM
IronChef, ABBA?!
You are honorary gay!
My fave is "(Gimme Gimme Gimme) A Man After Midnight"
ABBA
"Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight)"
Half past twelve
And I'm watching the late show in my flat all alone
How I hate to spend the evening on my own
Autumn winds
Blowing outside my window as I look around the room
And it makes me so depressed to see the gloom
There's not a soul out there
No one to hear my prayer
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day
Movie stars
Find the end of the rainbow, with a fortune to win
It's so different from the world I'm living in
Tired of T.V.
I open the window and I gaze into the night
But there's nothing there to see, no one in sight
There's not a soul out there
No one to hear my prayer
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight...
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight...
There's not a soul out there
No one to hear my prayer
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day
tamarinden
October 15, 2006 - 03:55 PM
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You have no idea where something came from and yet you post it as a fact. Sheesh...it's about time you do some growing up.
dont look at me, I like Laura! lol You are confusing me with some other @ss
Are You calling me an ass?????????? TAM I am the one that said I did not know where it came from that I had quoted someone else on the board I do not think that makes me an ass. I assumed that since you posted it, it was true, because it came from you. I can not open up the video and have tried about six times.
So you called me an ass?????????????
Guess it is time for me to leave...that was a personal attack.
No Swiss!! I was joking! I didnt even know they were referring to you! I actually had no idea WHAT they were talking about.
Swiss please dont go ok? Forgive me if I hurt your feelings I didnt even know you were part of the post. I am a notoriously lazy reader.
brillke
October 15, 2006 - 03:58 PM
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www.arsmar.com/multimedia/IMG/OurGang-Alfalfa.jpg
Who is the real Jeffrey Sebalia..... To me he is very similar to the actor on the the above site.... check it out....Also, the person I refer to to is the real identity and not the character acted by this person. Read a short bio and you will see what I am talking abnut.... Scarey...
Holy crap, your right.
brillke
notevayas
October 15, 2006 - 03:58 PM
Swiss and Tam, two fave posters are having a misunderstanding because of all the crazy negative posts surrounding them.
What can I do?
notevayas
tamarinden
October 15, 2006 - 03:59 PM
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But we all present our opinions as fact at times here. Just take a few of our new friends into consideration. Someone here has said recently, in no uncertain terms, that Laura is a b*tch who deserves to have a miscarriage. Is that supposed to somehow be filtered out as "opinion" as opposed to "fact?"
If so, then what's the criteria for accepting something as "fact" as opposed to "letting something slide" as merely opinion?
Lia
You did not read my post closely. I said nothing about how we accept the information, I stated how it was presented. The writer has no control over how things are accepted, they do have control over how ideas are presented.
I do not for one minute believe that Tam has any personal knowledge of either Jeffrey's or Laura's sewing skills beyond what has been presented on the series. Yet that does not prevent her from making statements to the effect that Jeffrey has poorer sewing skills than Laura on all fabrics under all conditions - even when he has an established business, superior equipment, and has experience sewing garments for celebrities.
While some people may operate under the assumption that everything posted here is an opinion, there are others who look at the tone and the way things are presented to make that determination. I am one of those people in the latter group.
None of us have personal knowledge apart from what we see on the tube and read on the net. Not me, not you. Yet everyone here is presenting their opinion. I never presented what I said as fact, merely my opinion.
I'll try to remember to add "IMO" to each post now if you will do the same
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October 15, 2006 - 03:59 PM
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Then I read that she had been reading the blogs, and found that Jeffrey was pretty disliked (which she called him and told him).
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Are you actually stating that she called him on the phone and told him he was "pretty disliked?"
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Yes, that is exactly what she did. I think she found it funny, but I am at a loss to explain why she did it really. Besides, its not like Jeffrey doesnt realize he is detested. He said he has been shocked by the hatred his behavior has generated in an interview.
. I am not too surprised at anything any of them say ON the program. What I was surprised at that she called him at home after the program had started to be aired. That means she stopped what she was doing and called him up. Maybe she was showing him how people disliked his behaviour, but that is not her job is it???????? .
Will someone please give me the source of the claim that Laura called Jeffrey?
Hi Carol
here it is
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer...45724&ch=580397
Thank you, Tam, I hadn't see that.
You will notice in that video Jeffrey is missing the receipt for those leather pants hehe
Tankthemoroncat
October 15, 2006 - 04:00 PM
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I liked Jeffrey's collection. I liked Laura's. I'm sitting in neither's "corner," though. I'm just sitting back and watching the "serious ugly" on both sides come out to play.
Lia
Exactly how I feel. I Couldn't have said it better.
tamarinden
October 15, 2006 - 04:01 PM
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Swiss and Tam, two fave posters are having a misunderstanding because of all the crazy negative posts surrounding them.
What can I do?
notevayas
Yeah I didnt even realize that swiss had anything to do with that post. I would NEVER insult swiss seriously I just adore her. I hope she reads this and forgives me before my birthday. I am devastated.
Carole
October 15, 2006 - 04:02 PM
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man, that laura is really a conniving self-serving b!tch. nice way to make unfounded allegations with ZERO evidence that amount to little more than SLANDER. anyone with any decency at all would have confronted jeffrey about it first before whining to Tim. anyone with any integrity would have waited until they had actual EVIDENCE before slandering someone based only on their so-called "gut." laura is threatened by jeffrey's great collection, so she has to try to sabotage him, taking a page right out of angela's playbook. respect level falls to zero. i hope sebelian kicks her pasty white @ss at bryant park.
umm...investigations are how you gather evidence. How do you know they are unfounded allegations? Uli says some of the work isn't perfect....yet these leather jeans are better than anything they've seen. If he's good on one garment...shouldn't be good in all? Why the inconsistency in the work?
So she confronts him before she goes to Tim...which BTW looks like Tim came in the room before she had a chance to tell jeff. So jeff says the same thing...I didn't do anything wrong. Then she goes to Tim....what is the difference exactly? She was very honorable in telling jeff what she did so he wasn't blindsided.
Why would she be threatened by jeffs collection? Tim is gaga over hers.... how does Angela come into this?
I believe that when the film crew saw what was coming down they called Tim to come into the room and that was why he arrived so promptly, even before Jeffrey had a chance to get back. That's why Laura talked to Tim before she had a chance to confront Jeffrey. You saw Tim in the room already when Jeffrey returned.
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October 15, 2006 - 04:03 PM
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man, that laura is really a conniving self-serving b!tch. nice way to make unfounded allegations with ZERO evidence that amount to little more than SLANDER. anyone with any decency at all would have confronted jeffrey about it first before whining to Tim. anyone with any integrity would have waited until they had actual EVIDENCE before slandering someone based only on their so-called "gut." laura is threatened by jeffrey's great collection, so she has to try to sabotage him, taking a page right out of angela's playbook. respect level falls to zero. i hope sebelian kicks her pasty white @ss at bryant park.
umm...investigations are how you gather evidence. How do you know they are unfounded allegations? Uli says some of the work isn't perfect....yet these leather jeans are better than anything they've seen. If he's good on one garment...shouldn't be good in all? Why the inconsistency in the work?
So she confronts him before she goes to Tim...which BTW looks like Tim came in the room before she had a chance to tell jeff. So jeff says the same thing...I didn't do anything wrong. Then she goes to Tim....what is the difference exactly? She was very honorable in telling jeff what she did so he wasn't blindsided.
Why would she be threatened by jeffs collection? Tim is gaga over hers.... how does Angela come into this?
I believe that when the film crew saw what was coming down they called Tim to come into the room and that was why he arrived so promptly, even before Jeffrey had a chance to get back. That's why Laura talked to Tim before she had a chance to confront Jeffrey. You saw Tim in the room already when Jeffrey returned.
Very true IMO
Is this better luz?
I really like Luzmilla too I am sorry for being a know it all
brillke
October 15, 2006 - 04:04 PM
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Oh, its immaterial now that it no longer backs your POV?
Hello delusional, kettle on line 2.
brillke
Carole
October 15, 2006 - 04:07 PM
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courage, lol. she has no courage at all. she saw an attempt to cast doubt on another contestant (who's superiour design skills are threatening her chances to win), and she did it with no evidence and no facts to back up her claims whatsoever. jeffrey almost ALWAYS finished first in the challenges, i remember distinctly him being done while the others were still working on at least a couple of other times. she's talking out of her "serious-ugly" @ss just to try to trash someone. what a sleaze.
If you remember so "distinctly him being done" why don't you list those times? Laura was completely finished with the dog challenge and taking a nap while the others were still working; she finished her first challenge (the coat with the rug/fur collar) and was working on the bling while others were still cutting fabric; she had completely finished her dress (and told Tim so) for the coutour challenge and was just working on the collar; and during the last challenge you saw her dress on the dressform while Jeffrey was still working on the halter of his gown. Since I can be so specific about how she was the one who almost ALWAYS finished first and when she finished first, I am going to challenge you to refute my claims with specifics with regard to Jeffrey.
IronChef
October 15, 2006 - 04:08 PM
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Well, several months ago the message board fairies ran through and gave us all guidelines of how to post and how not to post...
I'm not a message board fairy. Far from it, in fact. Never have been, never will be. I post what I want to post, regardless, and always have. The only rules I follow are those of my conscience. I feel that's enough.
I didn't make up "Da Rules," and neither did anyone else here. They were just a group of guidelines grouped together and posted by a few people who felt we needed a thermometer. I wasn't one of those people. If I'm sick, I'll say so, and then I'll ask for a thermometer. Until then? I don't need any monitor other than my own.
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and be sure not to call each other...or the designers names...
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and how to use smilies...
Someone tried to tell you how and when to use smilies??? Was the advice actually solicited, or was it "handed down?"
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and to preface things with IMO or IMHO
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and not to call anyone *%*&$^%* or &^%$*(% even if we get mad.
Hey, I've been called worse. Call me anything you want here--the only real boss is the Bravo variety!
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And then, how to serve PR PUNCH...and grill up some burgers... and include some veggie burgers (mixed crowd)...
Dude ... I created PR Punch! Lots of posters would like to take credit for it, but if they go back and take the time, they'll see that I was the first person here to ever mention "PR Punch." So, the recipe's mine and mine alone, no matter what anyone else says.
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I think I forgot a few things...
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but, it was the message board fairies.. I'm sure of it...
Again, I'm not a message board fairie. Post what you want here. The only Bosses you need to worry about are Bravo and your conscience. OK?
Lia
Carole
October 15, 2006 - 04:09 PM
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You have no idea where something came from and yet you post it as a fact. Sheesh...it's about time you do some growing up.
Well I have no idea where this came from....sheesh...why don't you learn to quote what you are replying to? That's something a grown up knows how to do.
Carole
October 15, 2006 - 04:10 PM
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man, that laura is really a conniving self-serving b!tch. nice way to make unfounded allegations with ZERO evidence that amount to little more than SLANDER. anyone with any decency at all would have confronted jeffrey about it first before whining to Tim. anyone with any integrity would have waited until they had actual EVIDENCE before slandering someone based only on their so-called "gut." laura is threatened by jeffrey's great collection, so she has to try to sabotage him, taking a page right out of angela's playbook. respect level falls to zero. i hope sebelian kicks her pasty white @ss at bryant park.
OK I'm convinced that since the regular jerks left us and the board calmed down, the Bravo editors are playing games with us.
brillke
October 15, 2006 - 04:11 PM
"Groupies.. ???? critical thinking skills??? wow...Laura supporters are starting to sound a little desperate... . "
Lol, that was sarcasm right? Um, have you read like the 1000 post screaming that Laura is a [expletive deleted],jealous of Jeffrey,should have a miscarriage,etc...
Eh, its cool. Either way, we will all find out Wednesday.
brillke
beechlapper
October 15, 2006 - 04:13 PM
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None of us have personal knowledge apart from what we see on the tube and read on the net. Not me, not you. Yet everyone here is presenting their opinion. I never presented what I said as fact, merely my opinion.
I'll try to remember to add "IMO" to each post now if you will do the same
Sometimes we are not aware of how the ideas we present are taken until someone speaks up. How we respond to that "criticism" speaks volumes about who we are and how willing we are to listen.
I most certainly will use IMO a lot more often than I have in the past.
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