IMoverit
October 12, 2006 - 12:17 AM
Quote:
Warning! If you don't want to know thew outcome of the Laura vs. Jeffrey scandal, don't follow this link:
Michael has done some great garments (in previous episodes), but looking at the pics from this link, I see the Pam Grier outfit redone in two different colors.
http://www.sparklies.org/gallery/thumbnail...lbum=230&page=2
yes, it does appear that Jeffrey survived th Laura attack.... When I walked by the Macy's window a few weeks agos showing some of the PR previous winning garments, I looked closely at the workmanship.... Laura's black and white coctail dress had impeccable workmanship.... Michael's icon top was beautifully made with very very complicted pleating that is super difficult to do without orverworking (which he had not)... Uli has some seem finishing showing at the armholes on her doggie duo jacket.... Jeffrey's rock star suit definitely had some seam finishing issues, on the collar, at the cuffs threads dangling. The couture dress was also there, but, I couldn't see anything wrong with it sewingwise... I just think it might be quite obvious to those designers on the show who can and cannot sew.... and if Jeffrey presents a line that is clearly better than what he has previously demonstrated in the way of sewing ability then I have to say I would be irked.... Would I have handled it the same way Laura did.... I am not sure.... but, did I read last week that Laura and Jeffrey had made up and were watching the reunion show together or was that just made up by someoone possibly even a decoy???? Anyway I won't lose sleep over it.... Laura, Jeffrey and even Uli (for taking Michael's model Nazry) are all sharks.... Michael is a little unripened in my opinion but I still like him the best.... But, as I read a few weeks back in the New York Post tv section..... Nina Garcia thought Jeffrey's fashion week show was the strongest....
My sense is that Laura was just thrown for a loop having seen what Jeffrey could put out in the past.... But, for Olympus fashion week he definitely turned it way up a notch...
rutan
October 12, 2006 - 12:23 AM
I love LAURA
she is the picture of class even though those kids would kill me
rutan
October 12, 2006 - 12:30 AM
true her clothes are a little bit old lady but i dont think she went about it in the wrong way
she just felt she was being treated unfairly
Carole
October 12, 2006 - 12:32 AM
. The way you are talking to people make it seem funny that when I am speaking about them... My statement was cohesive and coherent, ....
Hmmm indeed.
carter_smith
October 12, 2006 - 12:33 AM
Jeffrey obviously cheated. He's a completely volatile person yet he registered little to no reaction when Laura accused him of cheating. She was right; he would have railed at her for hours if he hadn't done something underhanded to finish ahead of time. His collection is the best one of the group, but nothing he made on the show barring the rock star challenge would lead any objective person to believe that Mr. Shred Everything had that level of sophistication in his aesthetic. His editorial dress, which most resembles his collection, was a total mess. He's the OJ of fashion--they'll never be able to prove that he did it, but it's ridiculously obvious that he did.
Carole
October 12, 2006 - 12:35 AM
Project Rungay has a link to an interview with Laura that I think is interesting. I would say more about it but I am definitely turning in as it is 4:30. Goodnight all!
drval01
October 12, 2006 - 12:36 AM
The OJ of fashion ...
LOVE IT!
rockinghorse
October 12, 2006 - 12:51 AM
Quote:
I HATE LAURA I HOPE SHE HAS A MISCARRIAGE
she is a total ...... C... B... P... W... you know what
what ahteful JEALOUS person
i am outraged
any new yourkers EGG THE WENCH
EGG HER and throw turtle poop at her newborn
how dare she
i think jeffrey is so talented
and she is just jealous that her work is stale the stale work of a middle aged white woman
STALE
STALE as white bread as APPLE PIE
UGHHHH
lest send her hate mail
Whoa, whoa. I just lurk here typically but I had to get an account to say, 'Time to get things in perspective.'
This is a television programme. It's supposed to be entertaining. When you wish death upon an innocent little child, it's time to stand up and turn off the set. Seriously.
I don't even like Laura and admit, she handled this poorly. Taking Jeff aside and voicing her concern to him before running to go tell 'daddy' would've been kinder, but she isn't that type of person. If he's innocent (which I believe he is), he'll come out unscathed, and she'll have egg on her face.
The public shame of her actions should suffice as punishment should she be proven wrong.
betterwithbutter
October 12, 2006 - 12:56 AM
It is not ridiculously obvious that he cheated. If it was, they wouldn't have spent so much of the episode making him look like a wounded saint. The challenges during the course of the show were rushed and limiting....and his performance during those was not so poor that it would make it obvious that he cheated.
Is he volatile? He's an artist, and most artists are crazy. But to say his subdued reaction was tantamount to a confession is ridiculous. He had been working steadily for two months, was tired and then had his integrity impugned. It may be a change for his normal reaction, but it is a perfectly believable response to that kind of confrontation.
And you shouldn't say it's obvious unless you were standing at the door of his workshop in LA counting heads of the secret seamstresses
rockinghorse
October 12, 2006 - 01:07 AM
Quote:
I wouldn't read too much into Jeffrey not being in the previews for next week's show. Remember that Angela and Vincent were nowhere to be found in the preveiws for episode 10.
I agree. They just have to pimp out da drama in the teasers so they can get the ratings. It probably won't be near as juicy as the commercials suggest.
xstr8guy
October 12, 2006 - 01:34 AM
[expletive deleted] hum.
How many people here have seen the previous two seasons? The previous two seasons, PR only had three designers qualified for the final show. But because the the finale airs several weeks after Olympus Fashion Week, they allow all four remaining designers to show even though only three are TRUE finalists. The first season it was Austin Scarlett and the second season it was Kara Janx (who arguably showed the best collection).
So just because Jeffrey showed at Olympus DOESN'T mean that he WASN'T disqualified. They would still allow him to show even if he was DQed to preserve the outcome of the finale. For example, if he wasn't allowed to show at Olympus, you would have thought he was eliminated at the end of episode eleven.
Btw, I DON'T think he was disqualified. I think it's just deceptive editing of next week's preview on the producer's part to keep us hooked and to boost ratings for part two of the finale.
Typical, really.
seamless
October 12, 2006 - 01:39 AM
A few more things to consider...
When Laura is talking to Uli & Micheal about her concerns they are not alone - the camera people are there at the very least - perhaps they told her to voice her concerns to Tim? just a thought...
I don't know if Jeffrey cheated, I hope not, but Laura's concern was more over the bump in the quality of the work than that it was finished. I would certainly think Jeffrey has people that do sewing for him on his Cosa Nostra label, so maybe they did work on pieces for PR.
I think all the bi*ching about Laura being wealthy is absurd - none of these 4 seem to be hurting - Uli has a gorgeous Miami beachfront apt. - Micheal seems to have his own house - and Jeffrey's house may be modest but in LA that little bungalow could be pricey indeed & his studio space is downtown & huge. If Laura could walk home from Parsons she lives in lower Manhattan and could well have a space that was rehabed some time ago especially since as so many of you snidely like to point out her husband is ancient.
As far as the designs go I think Micheal & Uli sadly fizzled... the competition will be between Jeffrey & Laura... which is good because I both like & dislike them equally as people, but respect both their Bryant Park offerings - they're just for totally different customers.
Magnolia_Hawaii
October 12, 2006 - 01:41 AM
Rat or not rat, the stakes are huge and Laura had every right to speak up about her suspicions. Furthermore, the fact that she reiterated to Jeff's face what she said to Tim just shows that she has some integrity as far as owning up to "ratting" Jeff out. And, yes, Jeffrey is talented, as they all are, but he is also a mean-spirited, self centered, egotistical, cold-hearted doo doo head. Those negative attributes definitely take away from his talent. And as a paying customer, I would most certainly take my business to either Laura, Michael, or Uli, no question about it, before I went to that hateful jerk.
xstr8guy
October 12, 2006 - 01:45 AM
Quote:
However, in his favor, he did come out during the reunion and said that Keith's boot from the show was the right thing so maybe he's innocent and just worked his ass off, which is very much a possibility given that he seems like he has the space and support.
Faulty logic on this...
The reunion show is recorded after the last regular episode but before the finale. Jeffrey hadn't even been accused of cheating at that point. So of course he is going to point a guilty finger at Keith.
LuzMila
October 12, 2006 - 01:49 AM
how about this...
"...jeffrey you will show at fashion week... (tears)... unfortunately, we have one more surprise for you all... You will each have to design [something] ..... you'll have five minutes to sketch, 15 minutes to shop...and Jeffrey... you will have to work with Angela and Vincent on this challenge... (tears and a hug from Uli).... Carry on! ..."
LuzMila
October 12, 2006 - 01:52 AM
Quote:
Quote:
However, in his favor, he did come out during the reunion and said that Keith's boot from the show was the right thing so maybe he's innocent and just worked his ass off, which is very much a possibility given that he seems like he has the space and support.
Faulty logic on this...
The reunion show is recorded after the last regular episode but before the finale. Jeffrey hadn't even been accused of cheating at that point. So of course he is going to point a guilty finger at Keith.
yes, but... Jeffrey would have KNOWN if he cheated...so, he'd probably have kept his mouth shut... I don't think he cheated...
Tankthemoroncat
October 12, 2006 - 01:54 AM
Quote:
It is almost impossible to believe that so many people on this site have attacked Laura for stating her opinion.
After all the hateful things Jeffery has said all season,
There's a huge difference in being a smart@ss and going to the production and saying he's a cheater. Nothing Jeffrey said about Laura or Angela caused them to be dumped.
Magnolia_Hawaii
October 12, 2006 - 02:01 AM
Jeffrey has a penchant for being cruel, nasty and confrontational towards others. Not to mention he is also a really big sore loser (notice how he is always rolling his eyes when others are praised). My question is: Doesn't treating people badly account for ANYTHING?? So what if Jeffrey is talented - SO ARE THE OTHERS and they are all well mannered and respectful towards each other. I give Laura kudos for going out on limb and making that claim. You know that she knew exactly what she was doing and was prepared to face the backlash, if any. I can't stand Jeffrey. People like him need to be put in their place! And what's up with his girlfriend's freaky mohawk? Hellooo!? It's not the 80's anymore. Yuck. Ugly hair is just... SO UGLY.
momsmoms
October 12, 2006 - 02:32 AM
Laura ROCKS! She had the cojones to speak her truth, and was willing to speak for the others, Uli and Michael as well. Then, she and stick by it. She behaved as a lady and according to her conscience...unlike Jeffrey who sometimes sounds like a petulant three-year old. Laura knows who she is, and she makes beautiful clothes, besides. I would buy everything she makes and glory in it. You can't make someone into a villan for what she did and how she did it. She did not call him any names. did not malign him in public. Her "victim" would have make a crude comment in public and embarrass everyone. This is a grown up woman with real character. Of all the remaining designers, I think Laura has the most skill and the brassiest balls to boot.
tamarinden
October 12, 2006 - 02:47 AM
Quote:
Jeffrey has a penchant for being cruel, nasty and confrontational towards others. Not to mention he is also a really big sore loser (notice how he is always rolling his eyes when others are praised). My question is: Doesn't treating people badly account for ANYTHING?? So what if Jeffrey is talented - SO ARE THE OTHERS and they are all well mannered and respectful towards each other. I give Laura kudos for going out on limb and making that claim. You know that she knew exactly what she was doing and was prepared to face the backlash, if any. I can't stand Jeffrey. People like him need to be put in their place! And what's up with his girlfriend's freaky mohawk? Hellooo!? It's not the 80's anymore. Yuck. Ugly hair is just... SO UGLY.
I think it cheapens us to disparage the wives, husbands, children, of a contestant. It actually bothers me to disparage anyone, including Jeffrey, although he has done nothing but do this since day 1.
I liked her, and I wish Jeffrey wellL The question is if Jeffrey cheated. I think he did, but it will be impossible to prove, and there is no way he will be disqualified, Bravo is just milking this situation for ratings.
Why do I think Jeff cheated? He shows up with nothing to finish, but when Tim asks him if he still has a lot to do (which is the normal assumption) Jeffrey says he pretty much has it in hand. He does not boast in the Jeffrey manner "Me? I am completely finished! Ill just sit here for two days and watch these bozos race like rats to finish their work".
If Laura's mother talked with Jeffrey's mother, and was told at the 3 week mark that Jeffrey hadn't started yet, and at the 2 week mark Tim arrived and Jeffrey was basically done, with his clothes packed in plastic, I would have to say something is up.
Jeffrey is definitely expert with a needle and thread as he did 85% of his couture gown by hand, but it was not as finished as Laura's. Laura's mother was a seamstress and taught her sewing and its clear Laura has huge talent in this area, and was gifted with a huge place to do her work, and a nanny to take care of the boys or at the very least an au pair. She did have to redo her signature dress (my god that original one was AWFUL, I could swear I saw a fleurchon lol). On the other hand, jeffrey did extra outfits and tore apart a jacket to make a purse etc.
Also, Jeffrey DID look guilty when it came time for the receipts. This is all a tempest in a teacup however because there is no way to prove Jeffrey cheated, and without definitive proof, he must be considered innocent.
As much as I do not like his behavior at times, I will cheer loudly for his gorgeous collection and be very happy for him if he wins.
runwaycritic
October 12, 2006 - 03:02 AM
Agreed...why is Laura "a [expletive deleted]" as some have said? Because she suspects someone of cheating? He made deconstructed outfits all season with very little in the way of couture needlework and suddenly he's an expert at it? That sort of sewing is hard, laborious and very time consuming.
runwaycritic
October 12, 2006 - 03:04 AM
If Jeffrey were truly innocent, he would've taken her suspicions that he had help as a HUGE compliment. When I haven't seen someone in a while and they think I've had work done, I take it as a compliment that I must look younger than the last time I saw them. Period. No need for all the -- as Tim says -- Sturm und Drang.
xstr8guy
October 12, 2006 - 03:09 AM
Gotta love the turtle poop! That was brilliant.
And did you get an eyeful of that beautiful loft? Of course you wouldn't expect less from Mr. Laura Bennet (Peter Shelton). Apparently he's some big shot interior designer... in fact... one of the biggest.
http://www.architecturaldigest.com/design/...es/040713de_079http://www.interiordesign.net/index.asp?la..._id=111&bio=all
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 03:37 AM
Quote:
I think that it is sick, disgusting and just plan nasty that Laura felt the need to question Jeff and go to Tim. I think that she is a jealous person and I hope that she doesn't win. If Jeff does not get to show his collection then it just goes to show that a horrible person can accuse someone of something with no merit but her gut feeling and ruin someones dream. I hope that is not what she teaches her children
what she might be teaching her children is integerity and honesty . not a bad lessons in my book
she had every right to say what she did and the other designers agreed with her . they were questioning it also/ added to the fact they were all busy with finishing touches n he had not even a button to sew on or a seam, zipper or hem.
alice
tamarinden
October 12, 2006 - 03:38 AM
Quote:
Laura ROCKS! She had the cojones to speak her truth, and was willing to speak for the others, Uli and Michael as well. Then, she and stick by it. She behaved as a lady and according to her conscience...unlike Jeffrey who sometimes sounds like a petulant three-year old. Laura knows who she is, and she makes beautiful clothes, besides. I would buy everything she makes and glory in it. You can't make someone into a villan for what she did and how she did it. She did not call him any names. did not malign him in public. Her "victim" would have make a crude comment in public and embarrass everyone. This is a grown up woman with real character. Of all the remaining designers, I think Laura has the most skill and the brassiest balls to boot.
well said and I agree 100% Laura rocks.
xstr8guy
October 12, 2006 - 03:39 AM
Quote:
He made deconstructed outfits all season with very little in the way of couture needlework...
He did?! Are you sure? Looking back, I see plenty of fine construction... episode 11, episode 9 (couture-he won), episode 8 (punkish mod but well contructed-he won), episode 6 (recycle), episode 4 (keith's design) and episode 3 (dog show) all showed examples of fine construction.
Sure there were some deconstructed designs. The Madonna outfit springs to mind. But that was a totally appropriate design considering the clent. And the other deconstructed pieces he did (with the exception of Angela's mom) were well made and interesting.
In fact, I think throughout the season, Jeffrey showed the most range of any of the designers. Laura's were all immaculately made. But don't you think they all looked pretty much the same?
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 03:40 AM
Quote:
Yes, Laura has always been mean! She's a desperate, jealous witch! I totally believe he is innocent. He's a professional designer making a living designing clothing. She's trying to get rid of her competition. No doubt about it. I hate to say mean things about someone who is about to give birth but it's just so true.
mean, witch, disgusting hmmmmm????
hoping some one has a stroke is nice, being nasty to someones mother is ok, dissing all the other designers and their work every week is fine. wow..........
nasty rude, ignorant, socially out of place with most people is jeffery by a mile/.
alice
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 03:41 AM
Quote:
bull @#%% if Laura is wrong no harm no foul. When everyone signed on they were told the rules, if he broke them shame on him. Not Laura. Did you see where Jeffery works, he must have professional seamstress in that place all the time. How easy would it be to have someone just finsih this for him? I trust the shows producers to do the right thing. If Laura and Michael don't (forget Michael agrees!!! ) Are wrong so what. They have both busted their butts to put together something without help. Heck when Tim arrived only a half way into the two months Jeffery's collection looked finished then. How could that be??
amen kcgirl some kind of miracle
tamarinden
October 12, 2006 - 03:47 AM
Quote:
Quote:
He made deconstructed outfits all season with very little in the way of couture needlework...
He did?! Are you sure? Looking back, I see plenty of fine construction... episode 11, episode 9 (couture-he won), episode 8 (punkish mod but well contructed-he won), episode 6 (recycle), episode 4 (keith's design) and episode 3 (dog show) all showed examples of fine construction.
Sure there were some deconstructed designs. The Madonna outfit springs to mind. But that was a totally appropriate design considering the clent. And the other deconstructed pieces he did (with the exception of Angela's mom) were well made and interesting.
In fact, I think throughout the season, Jeffrey showed the most range of any of the designers. Laura's were all immaculately made. But don't you think they all looked pretty much the same?
NO they most certainly did not look the same, and Jeffrey did do deconstructed even on with his two wins. Just about every item he made was totally deconstructed.
As for the charge that everything Laura made was the same, actually the reverse is true. She showed more absolutely different garments than just about anyone. People have been confusing her personal taste for sternum baring with her designs she presented, which were only rarely that plunging.
Read the following (go about 60 % down the page to an article called LAUROLOGY which compares Laura's designs during the competition to Uli's:
http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/
You will clearly see that Laura is a far more varied designer than given credit for. All this talk about Laura makes the same thing is from jeffrey and his not so subtle disses.
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 03:47 AM
Quote:
when you have a problem with someone you talk to them first to try to clarify and give warning. this was tattle telling
it is not bold to accuse someone
so i guess kayne was tattle taling on keith when the question of the books cxame up. no one said anything to keith till tim spoke to him laura faced jeffery n told him what she has said to tim. he didnt have to find it out later from tim
rules are rules n if he broke them maybe its pay back for his nasty behavior to all.
peachfire
October 12, 2006 - 03:54 AM
Wondering if Jeffrey will be disqualified. If he cheated, he needs to go, but how can they prove he had help?
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 03:55 AM
Quote:
Quote:
I thought Laura's green coat was exquisite. What was Tim going on about that it wasn't pretty?
Agreed. I really liked it. And it was her style, but different. It was nice to see her use COLOR!!!!!!!!!
i loved the green coat also. dont know tims problem. i d wear it
alice
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 04:00 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Jumping in here. I had a friend who once said that she considered being called a Bi*ch a complement because it meant she was taking up for herself of someone she loved.
I think Laura had every right to voice her concern. She went to Tim with her concerns so they could be looked into and proof could be found either way. What's wrong with that, she is just taking care of herself.
As far as her talking bad about Jeff OMG the only one who didn't talk bad,consistently, about the other designers and their designs was Michael.
These people have been working together for several days and they can recognize each other's work. I have a quilt that my mother, grandmother, and I all did some embroidery on. I can tell you who did which blocks, and I'm no expert on sewing.
I do sew but not really design and there is a huge difference between the two. Not only did these individuals sew but they designed and their designs all had to mesh together, like Tim said they needed to look like they come from the same woman's closet, that cannot be easy.
I'm not saying that Jeffery did cheat, and I did feel sorry for him, he looked hurt but Laura had every right to speak up.
Oh, by the way let's not start being catty about each other's grammer and spelling. This is supposed to be fun not english 101 and we all make mistakes. [/quote/] It's not much fun for me to try and muddle through what people are trying to say. What's wrong with using the English language the way it's supposed to be used. Your text was understandable. I'm just tired of being a nation of idiots (for lack of a bettter word).
a strong woman boss is called a bit*h. a male boss is complimented n
called a go getter . hm go figure
seems a tad bias to me
i was a female boss n called a [expletive deleted] many times. i asked my boss do you want me to win a personality contest or get the job done. answer .......... get the job done
alice
nycitymom
October 12, 2006 - 04:01 AM
Quote:
Tell ya what.
As a middle aged woman, I wouldn't be caught dead in any of Laura's "glamorous" pieces.
Ick.
I can totally see my youngest, who is a college freshman, in Jeffrey's clothes, though
WOW, i read this post and thought "this woman obvisouly has ZILCH fashion sense" . you "WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD IN ANY OF HER GLAMOROUS PIECES"?
PLEEZ your closet must be full of jeans and sweatpants
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 04:04 AM
Quote:
[she's just a jealous [expletive deleted]. I hope she loses, she's so annoying and thinks her designs are the best thing since slice bread, they all look the same and old like her ass! .
What a well bred young person you must be.
amen carole
how old are some of you posters? we dont all wear rock clothes. some of go to business where certain clothes are expected not leather n clothes up to your crotch.
yes you will all grow up some day n be an old lady like laura n appreciate class
paul_kg
October 12, 2006 - 04:08 AM
The thing about saying Jeff must have cheated because he didn't
do that good during the challenges does not hold water.
Others have said it as well, but repeatedly he was done before the
allowed time and now has 2 months to do it! If anyone came there
and was not 100% that would not be very profesional and not doing
yourself justice, you should be perfect! He has the business doing
this stuff, the others don't, he should be more polished and use to
the deadlines so he should be ahead of them.
If he is not allowed to at least compete for the win then this show is
flawed and not worth watching and I to like many others will not be
watching it again or probably any other bravo show for that matter!
No I am not just a Jeff suporter but for it to end like this would just
not be right for anyone no matter how they try an spin it.
If they don't have a camera showing him doing wrong then it's just
someone saying they feel or heard he did something wrong.
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 04:08 AM
Quote:
Quote:
As a side note--as a person who's been clean and sober for twenty-two years and who has basically lived a life identical to Jeffrey's I want to reassure EVERYONE that Jeffrey did NOT cheat. Honesty with ourselves and others is THE CORNERSTONE of sobriety. Jeffrey is a far more honorable human being than Laura any day. Unfortunately, people like Laura haven't dealt with their own stuff and occasionally crap all over those of us who are trying to walk the walk. I'm so sorry Jeffrey had to go through this. What a horrible shame.
NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT...
Do you know him personally? You seem to have gathered a lot of insight from a highly edited POV TV show. But that's why I asked did you know him.
also been sober for over 25 yrs n seen no recovery in jeffery through out PR. all i have seen is a nasty rude dry drunk.
some time when you sober up a horse thief all you get is a sober horse thief. n unless you know them both you can not for sure comment on their honesty . laura spoke her mind n her convictions there is nothing wrong with that. she never wished his ill health as he did so often with other designers.
alice
notevayas
October 12, 2006 - 04:09 AM
Quote:
OKAY..... SOME IMPORTANT POINTS TO PONDER>>>>>>
1. Jeffrey is friends with Santino. Now, like Santino or not, if you watched last season, you would know that many of Santino's models did not show up for fittings, and the ones that did came late - which made it really difficult for him to make the final adjustments needed to make everything look perfect. In many people's opinions, it could have cost him the win. It makes sense to me, that KNOWING about those types of possibilities from a friend who has actually experienced the whole scenario, Jeffrey would logically ensure that his designs took a variety of possibilities into account. He'd do dresses that are easily adjusted - that don't need any extra modifications, that maybe don't even HAVE buttons, he'd finish EVERYTHING so when they throw a 13th garment on you and tell you that you only have 6 hours to make it and fit it into your collection, you have the time and energy to do it. He would expect the unexpected and have everything done ahead of time.
2. If he was a liar and a schemer and a cheat, he would have all his receipts in a neat little package ready to immediately hand over. If he had somebody illegally doing his work - do you think he'd even HAVE a receipt for that - that he would BRING it to New York, and then be fumbling around trying to HIDE IT???? Some of the poster's commentary on the receipt issue is absurd. THERE WOULD BE NO RECEIPTS for the kind of cheating that he is being accused of, he wouldn't HAVE to worry about anybody FINDING them - get real.
3. When Tim visited Laura, she had what looked to be a very painstakingly made, detailed green monstrosity that she had OBVIOUSLY spent A LOT of TIME on - it was going to be her grand finale. She obviously scrapped it and did another dress for her show-piece. It looked to me like Uli and Michael also scrapped some things, or at least did MAJOR revisions. That green thing probably took the time of four other pieces, and it wasn't in her final collection. So, the others wasted time on things they did not even show. Jeffrey's collection never needed to REDONE - so he probably actually did do LESS garments overall in the two months than the others who either started new ones or had to totally re-vamp a good portion of what they had.
4. Jeffrey's love for his little boy was palpable. I can't help but think - after hearing his story about trying to hang himself, and now knowing that it is his little boy's name that is tattooed around his neck - about how graphic a statement that is about how that child, as his tattoo says, is the light of his life - his actual lifeline (If you don't have children, you can't even imagine how much love they can bring into your heart and your very soul). Whether he conciously intended it that way or not, to me it was a graphic statement and made me ashamed of my initial reaction to what I at first thought was the ugliest tattoo I'd ever seen. When you have that kind of love in your life, you don't jeopardize everything you have worked so hard for by cheating.
4. I believe that his success in his current business stems from his incredible ability to make things out of patchwork. Like Laura says - you don't pull craftsmanship like that out of your ass. That's exactly right - you don't. You get so good at it that celebrities in L.A. come to you when they want that kind of work done. Those are Jeffries current clients.
5. I am baffled by the posters that have said that Jeffrey can criticize other but "he can't handle it" when it comes back at him, and another that said "he can dish it out, but he can't take it." I thought he handled it VERY WELL - what did he do that indicated he couldn't handle it??? It is crushing when you put your heart and soul into something and then people accuse you of cheating. I have personally experienced this, and it is heart-breaking, even when it comes from somebody you don't like. You naturally say to yourself, "who cares what they think" - but what you are doing is trying to remind yourself not to let others see how gut-wrenchingly painful that kind of accusation is. He handled it EXTREMELY WELL in my opinion, but it is curious that if you don't like him, you can write stuff like that and actually believe it. Even Laura SAID that she was surprised at how he handled it.
6. Laura had a right to express her opinion, and I think she was planning on talking to Jeffrey first. Do you think it was a COINCIDENCE that Tim's visit happened when it did and that confrontation was kept from happening???? They aren't in the room ALONE - the camera-men and producers are there and are hearing the contestants conversations as well. Most likely one of them said - "Somebody go get Tim and tell him we need him to visit the workroom now" and in comes Tim and unknowingly prevents that Laura from talking to Jeffrey first. Laura has a right to voice her opinions, but that is a pretty damn gutsy accusation to throw out there with no proof. I'd also be surprised if Tim's visit is the only observation that the contestants have during that whole two month period. I'd think they'd have the ability to keep tabs on what is happening with each of the contestants and would be surprised if they didn't have some sort of periodic surviellance.
7. HONESTY - everything says to me that there is no way Jeffrey cheated. I didn't really like him much at first, but he grew on me as the season progressed. So, in my opinion, if you want to talk about a liar and a cheat - talk about Keith - he seems to me about as slimy as they come. You may not like Jeffrey or his vision, but that doesn't make him DISHONEST - in fact, it is most likely his honesty (much like Santino) that causes you to dislike him in the first place.
Interestingly enough, it is also Laura's honesty that makes the other half not like her. Think about it.
Comments? QQuAAcKK
Generally agree, (though I think there is dishonesty on both sides in the Keith fiasco). Frankly, I don't care if any of the designers had help sewing or consulted a pattern book. It's a freaking design competition, and at this point, bag the artificial reality show rules. In real life, if a designer gets to show at Bryant Park, they pull out all the stops! Last season, Chloe had seven sisters that might have helped her and she didn't have any sketches ever, or much done when Tim visited. And no one batted an eyelash. Wendy Pepper from Season 1 showed Tim an almost finished collection, while Jay was only starting, though he had his line all planned out on paper with swatches. I don't think we can tell anything, by what we have seen from this last finale pt 1 show.
Your best arguement for Jeffrey's innocence is the fact that he must have wanted to be prepared for a "last minute challenge", and not have models/Nick sewing on buttons like Daniel V last season.
I am still confused as to if the bathingsuits are the last minute challenge, and why we have not seen Laura's yet. We see Michael asking his model if she would be comfortable wearing one though..
I think the clips are mixed in from several days to mislead. And I remember that last season Santino said that they had to take time away from making the last minute challenge to film the reunion show the day before the runway show.. so the reunion show was filmed after all the angst with this accusation! So from Laura's defense of Jeffrey when the subject of Angela's mother came up, it was obvious to me that she was trying to make amends. She looked a bit sheepish even, which is unusual for Laura. In a recent interview she admitted to being something of a "buttinsky".
So I'm sure Jeffrey is safe, but where is Laura's bathingsuit?
I'm so glad that Tim voiced doubt on Laura's green costume looking dress.. it was, as Tim says, " alotta look!" Laura should work it into a Halloween costume for 2007.
But I hope that all this angst is smoke and that Uli wins for her beautiful fashions. Compared to Uli's clothes, the other three designers have made costumes that, except for Laura's eveningwear, very few women could shine in. Jeff has those cute trouser sets, but his babydoll type sillouettes are SO unflattering even to his waif-models. Michael's styles are an embarrassment and a mystery because he obviously has a stellar family and a respect for women. But I think it is painfully obvious the man is painfully straight and his Urban Safari theme has women as the EASY prey. I would tell Michael that I think women want to be sexy and also sophisticated in public, and that maybe his looks could be translated into hot lingerie?
Uli's designs are sophisticated sexy as well as having a primal aspect with the bone closures. And the sillouettes are flattering and dare I say pretty and young! And many of her looks are so modern and monochromatic. I think Daniel Vosovic and Kara Janx from Season 2 were spot on when they picked her as a favourite based on her designs! And Uli's bathingsuit was scorching hot without being vulgar.
My first pick is Uli, second is Laura, third is Jeff, and fourth is Michael (though as a personality he is tied with Uli) But I enjoy difficult people like Laura and Jeff also from a safe distance... And Laura and Jeff show character in their choice of romantic partners, yes? What bright eyes and sweet face on Laura's hubby! And Jeff's true love was not your typical LA blonde busty botox cookie cutter kind of gal was she? Behind that mohawk looked to be, gasp!, a real person! I'd say his boy is as lucky as Laura's tribe there. I just wish Tim didn't look so uncomfortable there. At least he wasn't offered turtle poop..
Well enough of my thoughts QQuAAcKK. Of course you would have to favour Jeffrey.. He speaks your language.."quack". But be careful! It's duck hunting season and the bag limits are up to 6 this year!
notevayas
nycitymom
October 12, 2006 - 04:10 AM
Quote:
Quote:
As a side note--as a person who's been clean and sober for twenty-two years and who has basically lived a life identical to Jeffrey's I want to reassure EVERYONE that Jeffrey did NOT cheat. Honesty with ourselves and others is THE CORNERSTONE of sobriety. Jeffrey is a far more honorable human being than Laura any day. Unfortunately, people like Laura haven't dealt with their own stuff and occasionally crap all over those of us who are trying to walk the walk. I'm so sorry Jeffrey had to go through this. What a horrible shame.
NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT...
Do you know him personally? You seem to have gathered a lot of insight from a highly edited POV TV show. But that's why I asked did you know him.
YEAH, THAT WAS A PRETTY DUMB POST! like what? a person going through that situation is supposed to be void of cheating? jeffrey's clearly an a**hole. is that a post requisite of rehab too? i say stop feeling sorry for this guy. he's not starving and this is a complication with "extreme odds"(robert best's quote) a lot is at stake and if there is a feeling somethings not right - call it out. the worst that can happen is that Laura's wrong. don't fault her for defending a possible victory
quiltmuse
October 12, 2006 - 04:10 AM
Quote:
He seemed pretty upset in the preview for next week. It is possible that they allowed him to present but removed him from running for Winner of the show. I sure hope not though. I believe his is completely innocent.
Maybe, maybe not., In one of the bonus videos he said that it was years since he had sewn anything and he had to do a lot of practicing before coming to NY for the competition. The kind of work he did for the challenges showed that he mostly wasn't used to sewing well at speed. I think that Laura is justified in raising the question based on what Jeffery has shown before this. Whether she is right or not she was not alone in wondering.
I'm not a Jeffery fan, but I hope it can be shown that he didn't cheat -- one cheater this season is already one too many!
Jappy70
October 12, 2006 - 04:10 AM
Quote:
I HATE LAURA I HOPE SHE HAS A MISCARRIAGE
she is a total ...... C... B... P... W... you know what
what ahteful JEALOUS person
i am outraged
any new yourkers EGG THE WENCH
EGG HER and throw turtle poop at her newborn
how dare she
i think jeffrey is so talented
and she is just jealous that her work is stale the stale work of a middle aged white woman
STALE
STALE as white bread as APPLE PIE
UGHHHH
lest send her hate mail
Mr/Mrs Kettle, this has got to be one of the most vile evil posts I've seen yet to date. You sound like you're related to Jeff as he wished a stroke and that she'd die. I really don't understand why all the Laura bashing. Jeff has been the biggest a$$ on PR yet to date, what goes around comes around. If he cheated he cheated if he didn't you have nothing to worry about, your comments however are way out of line. It is after all just fashion.
mainer
October 12, 2006 - 04:12 AM
Quote:
Quote:
no i am not sleeping with him
i happen to know for a FACT he designed his own lne and worked his assssssssssss offfff
he started working day one unlike lasy michael and the others whgo waited last minute
this world is not meant fro last minute designers
you have got to be ready
its like in high school the nerds always had the reserach paper done 3 weeks before it was due
well i just think jeffrey is that guy in the fashion world
he wasted no time ...... and the pre partum neurosis is hitting laura too soon
Do you READ your own posts?
carole the children have come out of the closet to day. i would have thought their mommys wouldnt have let them stay up that late. iggy is the best feature in the puter world for immature children.
Mascara
October 12, 2006 - 04:17 AM
Well, Laura is right ... if you have a question, now is the time to ask. And, the other designers were wondering about that as well, not just her. I sew and have for years, she is right about another thing, if for weeks on end you see someone doing just okay work, or working in a certain way and then suddenly whammo they are finishing stuff far and above what they did before, dunno, that would raise my eyebrows as well. Not that the producers show us all the footage, but when they show Jeffrey there twiddling his thumbs and everyone else is tweaking their clothing, something seems amiss. Who will win? I live in Florida (now) and I like Uli's easy colorful clothes, Michael I love in presentation of product, Laura I really thing has nailed the flawless construction and elegant end of the competition. Jeffrey has had a couple of interesting things, and i hate to carbon date myself, but I was a real punk in the 80's and I've already seen what he has done and seen it done better down on St. Mark's Street in the Village and on Kings Road in London. Though many people here say it is fresh and new, I say it is rehashed and actually retro-old. So let the real games begin ...
NJ2ATLGYRL
October 12, 2006 - 04:18 AM
Hey All,
I believe that jefferey did cheat, and it has been on numerous sites that he was eliminated......
On the Sept. 20 show this week, one more contestant will be eliminated. While the final four designers showed their lines during Fashion Week, viewers are only “supposed” to see three in the Oct. 18 finale episode. One of the designers was actually eliminated during a taping two weeks ago but to keep that a secret, that contestant got to show during Fashion Week.
xstr8guy
October 12, 2006 - 04:21 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
He made deconstructed outfits all season with very little in the way of couture needlework...
He did?! Are you sure? Looking back, I see plenty of fine construction... episode 11, episode 9 (couture-he won), episode 8 (punkish mod but well contructed-he won), episode 6 (recycle), episode 4 (keith's design) and episode 3 (dog show) all showed examples of fine construction.
Sure there were some deconstructed designs. The Madonna outfit springs to mind. But that was a totally appropriate design considering the clent. And the other deconstructed pieces he did (with the exception of Angela's mom) were well made and interesting.
In fact, I think throughout the season, Jeffrey showed the most range of any of the designers. Laura's were all immaculately made. But don't you think they all looked pretty much the same?
NO they most certainly did not look the same, and Jeffrey did do deconstructed even on with his two wins. Just about every item he made was totally deconstructed.
As for the charge that everything Laura made was the same, actually the reverse is true. She showed more absolutely different garments than just about anyone. People have been confusing her personal taste for sternum baring with her designs she presented, which were only rarely that plunging.
Read the following (go about 60 % down the page to an article called LAUROLOGY which compares Laura's designs during the competition to Uli's:
http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/
You will clearly see that Laura is a far more varied designer than given credit for. All this talk about Laura makes the same thing is from jeffrey and his not so subtle disses.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree about Jeffrey over-using deconstruction as a design technique. I'm not a fashion expert by any definition. But I will stand by my assertion that he has exhibited a broad range of styles and refined skills.
I do like like Laura's designs as well. And after looking at her body of work on PR, I do now agree with you that she hasn't designed the same cocktail dress over-and-over. But I still believe that she doesn't exhibit a lot of style range. And that is not necessarily a bad thing. It is all very polished and classy. And I'm sure she will be very successful designing for the wealthy clientele of Central Park West.
paul_kg
October 12, 2006 - 04:23 AM
The thing about saying Jeff must have cheated because he didn't
do that good during the challenges does not hold water.
Others have said it as well, but repeatedly he was done before the
allowed time and now has 2 months to do it! If anyone came there
and was not 100% that would not be vey profesional and not doing
yourself justice, you should be perfect! He has the business doing
this stuff, the others don't, he should be more polished and use to
the deadlines so he should be ahead of them.
If he is not allowed to at least compete for the win then this show is
flawed and not worth watching and I to like many others will not be
watching it again or probably any other bravo show for that matter!
No I am not just a Jeff suporter but for it to end like this would just
not be right for anyone no matter how they try an spin it.
If they don't have a camera showing him doing wrong then it's just
someone saying they feel or heard he did something wrong.
kjant
October 12, 2006 - 04:44 AM
Tamarinden, I agree with you...Jeffery is usaully very argumentative however, when confronted about this issue he looked like a deer caught in headlights.
I do not blame Laura one bit...this is a competition and if someone had help that gives them an unfair advantage, I have a problem with that.
dogsbreakfast
October 12, 2006 - 04:48 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
If Laura is wrong, she should be disqualified.
Why in the world would someone think that?
Because it's a good idea
So, if you raise a concern about a colleague at work, based on your opinion of an observable fact, you should be fired? Let's wait and see the outcome...I'm no Jeffrey fan BUT I think the little we saw of his collection looked wonderful. That said, RULES broken (and I don't suspect there's a rule against raising a concern about cheating with the production team, a la Kayne) mean auff'ing. Just MHO. DB
lyfenlyn
October 12, 2006 - 04:49 AM
I was taken aback by that as well, I like Michael more and more the more I get to know about him. He'll stay down to earth no matter what because his family will see to that.
dogsbreakfast
October 12, 2006 - 04:50 AM
Agreed wholeheartedly.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please
click here.