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October 19, 2006 - 09:41 PM
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Project Runway just affirms my belief that fashion is no longer about making women look beautiful, it has become a hedonistic artform. Models are merely coat hangers with heads.
The dress stands alone as an independent piece of art, the woman wearing it is secondary.
Decades ago, fashion was about designing clothes to make women appear more elegant, adventurous, sexy, chic. Think Chanel. The fashions women wore made a statement about her; now designers create fashion to make a statement about themselves.
It doesn't matter if it looks good on only six women living on the planet -- this is deemed to be fashionable for almost everyone. If it doesn't look good on you, that is your fault.
And this is what passes for style. Even if it doesn't translate into something wearable for women, it is deemed "good", "worthy" and even "desirable."
What percentage of fashionable women in America would choose anything out of Jeffery's line over Uli's or Laura's? The MODELS didn't even look good in it.
The judges COMPLAINED that Laura's work was "impeccable" and that her designs were timeless and classic. Her construction was perfect. Most had hours of hand work. Laura's designs were the stuff of fashion back when it was about excellence.
Make no mistake -- the judges are telling us that fashion is no longer about quality. It is no longer about luxurious fabrics (think of Jeffrey's picnic basket evening gown). It is no longer about owning a piece to enhance your wardrobe and be worn for years to come.
And it certainly is no longer about making women look beautiful.
A-freakin'-men!!
This poster said exactly what I've been thinking and even wrote to a fellow PR fan... that Jeffery's clothes are about HIM and the statement he wants to make instead of being about the WOMAN.
Jeffery's may be art (not my taste tho) but they are not anything most women would wear. Who wants to look like a freak show. The classic styles are classic for a reason.... because they look good.
I'm done with PR, no longer a fan.
About three years ago, I had a conversation with a woman who worked in some of the finest fashion houses of Europe for the previous 30 years. I had been complaining about the number of clothes I had in my closet that just plain looked bad on me, were poorly constructed, or didn't hold up over time. She gave me quite an education. And after our exchange, I understood exactly what to buy and what to look for in clothing.
In a nutshell, this is what she told me. I don't work in fashion, so I don't know if it's true, but it seemed to be right.
Years and years ago, there were no real standard sizes. It was assumed that your body was not proportioned correctly. Most of your clothes were custom tailored for you. Even off-the-rack items were routinely altered.
High fashion was about better quality fabrics, solid construction and pieces you purchased to wear for a lifetime. These were part of your own personal collection of clothes. They were called "classic" because they did not go out of style. These were tailored to fit your particular body. If there was a drastic change in hemlines, you simply altered the piece.
Most women had a much smaller wardrobe and these were very good pieces that could be worn over and over again. You might have only three cocktail dresses, but you looked smashing in each one of them. If you looked good in a particular color, that's what you bought.
In the 1960's, fashion became tied to art and music. Designers became celebrities in their own right. Slowly, the industry transitioned from making women look beautiful to being about the clothes themselves, and then ultimately, the designers. Clothing became art and designers became celebrity artists.
And like many artforms, once a name was made for a designer (consider what happens to some musicians in the later stages of their careers), any piece of crap they turned out was valued. Each piece no longer had to stand on it's own merit.
Instead of designing clothes that made women look good, designers created good-looking clothes and then found a model to make the clothing look its best. Isn't it odd that the designers struggle to choose the right model to walk their clothes down the runway from a gaggle of 6' tall, size 0 models? And sometimes the clothes STILL look bad?
Think about that for a moment next time you wonder why you don't look great in some crappy designer line. Then realize that these runway pieces are custom tailored to the model. And still some of it looks bad.
You're trying to make it look good off the rack?
Now, a piece from a collection will be mass produced, knocked off or in some manner it will be filtered down to the rest of us who are not 6' size 0 models. And when it's made, the focus is not on quality and construction, but how they can produce the most items from a bolt of fabric. That's why we all have had the experience with slacks that one leg seems to go the wrong direction. That's because they could squeeze out more of them by ignoring things like the bias in favor of saving fabric.
It isn't about quality. It is about pride of construction. It's about making money.
It used to be that something that was designer used to mean it was the finest quality available. The best fabric. The highest quality sewing. Impeccable finishing. Today, expense does not equal excellence. You can find the same deplorable construction in a discount retail outlet as you can in a high end "designer" fashion.
Did you notice that on PR, not once did you see a judge actually look closely at how the piece was constructed. Some of that crap was GLUED -- and this passed for "high fashion."
Most women do not understand how to shop for their body type and are incredibly frustrated and depressed because they don't look good in these so-called fashions. It's because we are force fed this idea of fashion as wearable art when none of us are hanger-shaped canvas. And yet we keep buying this crap that they tell us is fashion even when we know there's no way it will look good on us.
It's like we don't have our own voice as a gender. I mean, who among us did not cringe when we heard bell-bottom, hip huggers were coming back into style?
None of this will change until women start refusing to buy into this big lie that there is something wrong with our bodies because we aren't genetic freaks that are 6 feet tall and weigh 120 pounds. Until we start demanding real quality in our clothing (decent fabrics, and a minimal level of construction), we will continue to be told we're out of style, too fat or too old.
Fight the lie.
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October 19, 2006 - 09:44 PM
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I really don't understand the judges. Jeffrey's stuff made even rail thin models look fat! What normal woman would want to wear that stuff? They also said they didn't like his two blue dresses so they didn't even like his entire collection. Heidi says all of Laura's is stunning and looks like a $30,000 collection. She also says she would wear everything Uli made and Nina says Uli's stuff is great and will sell for sure. So why vote for the really strange looking stuff almost no one will wear? Do they only consider it fashion if it looks weird? Or do the editors cut out so much stuff that we get every comment out of context?
They said - they didn't think the 2 blue dress were cohesive with the collection.
They did not say they did not like the dresses.
Actually they said they were horrible dresses. At least Fern Mallis did, and she has ten times more credence in the fashion industry than Heidi or Nina.
Because?
Nina is edito for one of the top fashion magazines in the world. She can make and break careers. Michael consistently has celbs wearing his designs to every major red carpet event and has been an icon for generations. At the very least they are on par with Fern. I also don't know where I read that Fern felt that Jeffrey should not have won.
eyelikepr
October 19, 2006 - 09:48 PM
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The problem with this show and for that matter most of Bravo's shows of this nature is that little blurb that appears in the credits almost too quick for anyone to see it about the producers having an influence over the shows outcome.
Every year we have a villian/a-hole who somehow manages to slip into the finals over and over. They survive at least one close call and maybe more where, aside from their fans, everyone is in agreement they should have been gone. If you showed 100 women the bottom two outfits in the Mom challenge I would be stunned if 5 of them would have picked Jeff's outfit. But his drama value kept him alive in this challenge as well as the party dress challenge and quite possibly caused the final 3 to be expanded to the final 4 because of his milk maid dress.
I think people here have had enough of the shady judging and the double standards that seem to be prevalent. Nina and Kors calling out Laura and Uli and other for same old same old when its still clearly what they do well and not calling out Jeffery but praising him when he does basically the same thing. Same in terms of Kane who was faulted for poor taste but it was never questioned for Jeffery. Hello crotch bling anyone?
I was rooting for Michael and Laura and thought Uli won hands down last night. I really don't like Jeffery but I thought his garbage challenge dress was pretty great. But unfortunately the producers of the show contrived to give us this gutter to glamour story that really is besides the point. Every contestant had an interesting story but the producers chose to make this Project Rehab at every turn. And the bruhaha at the end about the receipts and what not was clearly a joke. Why should Jeff not only get to go over budget but also have missing documentation and not be held accountable? What's to stop every designer from going over budget, see what comes out the best, and then remove what's needed to comply with the rules after you get caught, if you get caught? Sorry but, unless your a blind fanboy/girl of Jeff, were not buying it.
This show is just like every other reality show that chooses to sacrifice the skills of the participants for drama.
You know your introuble when Boxing and the Ultimate Fighting Championship put out reality shows that have exponentially more credibility than Bravo's.
Great Post!!! So aptly put.
Let's say that Zulema from Season 2 had run over budget and someone questioned her motives, what would all these people have to say!
So lets have all the designers break the rules and go over budget and see how everyone and the judges and producers deem as the winner, cause apparently, you can go over budget, break rules and still win!
reglavcor
October 19, 2006 - 09:53 PM
Does anyone know the name of the artist or title, to the music played during Uli's runway show. I thought it was wonderful. thanks.
reglavcor
October 19, 2006 - 10:08 PM
I agee with you,I cannot get the song out of my head. If I find out I will let you know.
ArtInstigator
October 19, 2006 - 10:08 PM
Hey Actor,
I haven't seen any of the bonus stuff, I usually prefer to read the transcripts. So sorry about what's happened there; I read the Times-Picayune article today, mindblowing. I left you a post on the end of the 313 thread, don't know if you've seen it. Multiply everything I said to the nth degree. Slidell is your call, I understand either way. I'm glad for you that your favorite designer won. TV stuff seems so trivial right now...
AI
haji81872
October 19, 2006 - 10:12 PM
He does what men always do, rides roughly over the lives of anyone who gets in his way, attacks old ladies, breaks the spirit of others, and then when someone like Laura stands up to him in a nice way, he condemns her as "passive agressive".
I get it, you don't hate Jeffrey, you just hate men in general. Just kidding of course.
Although I don't agree with you very often, I do love your posts Tam and I would love for you to run your own blogging site. I would read it every time. Your posts here are great, but I think it would even be better if I could read your thoughts paragraph by paragraph uniterrupted. You have good strong takes and give me something to think about, rather then so many attackers and haters throughout the season. Have you ever thought of doing so?
actor59
October 19, 2006 - 10:13 PM
Eye,
Someone posted earlier that Jeffrey went over budget with acsseories Ie the wigs. So once he took those out he was under budget...I think it falls under the whole Kara Saun shoe debacle in the case she did not have receipts for those and then got them at $5 a pair and provided a receipt. They said no but you can show with them if you want but they will not count in your judgeing. She took that chance they had no bearing in the final judgeing...just my take on it. If they could let her slide they had to let Jeffrey take some things out and it would not disqualify him. In this case the wigs.
actor59
October 19, 2006 - 10:23 PM
Evening AI,
Glad you saw my post yes I left you a message on the other board. Zack and Addie were not close friends just people I knew and had drinks with and sold products too. We are all extremely confused to all of this and still in shock. I did not Know till this morning the extent of it untill I read the TP as well. We are all just shaking our heads in dissbelief. Kinda takes the life out of you if you know what I mean. The real problem here in NOLA is no mental health to go too in regards to problems. This is the fourth friend or aquantence I have lost too drug overdose or suicide in the past 3 weeks very disturbing. No we are still on for the theatre and your Aunts show in Slidell.Sorry but my Girlfriend has to work that day but she says Hi and wishes she could be there. Sorry for such an off topic board!
actor59
October 19, 2006 - 10:32 PM
Good night all I'm tired in body and mind and am going to bed...my last thoughts for all of you stop the hateing grab your loved ones and hugg and kiss the hell out of them! Life is too short and sometimes you don't get a secound chance...I know I'm coming off as a nut sorry.
ArtInstigator
October 19, 2006 - 10:50 PM
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Good night all I'm tired in body and mind and am going to bed...my last thoughts for all of you stop the hateing grab your loved ones and hugg and kiss the hell out of them! Life is too short and sometimes you don't get a secound chance...I know I'm coming off as a nut sorry.
Goodnight Actor,
You don't sound like a nut to me. Sometimes folks need to be reminded of simple things. Think I will turn in myself, goodnight all.
AI
eyelikepr
October 19, 2006 - 11:05 PM
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With Jeffrey winning Project Runway 3, that will be the end of my watching any future renditions of the show. I don't know how he made it to the end, let alone how he won. His designs just weren't that great. Besides that, I don't understand how the show could reward such a harsh, rude, and cruel individual. I'm completely flabbergasted and disgusted. I would have been happy with any of the other three, who proved themselves time and time again. Here's one fan that won't be returning to the show. It’s too bad really. I really like the show but to watch it for so long and see someone like Jeffrey win in the end, really gets my goat.
His Everyday Woman challenge was horrible. I don't think he was better than Robert's.
His Recycle challenge looked like some Superhero comic book charachter.
His first challenge with the flying feathers was horrible with that long in the front dress.
This man should have been auf'd long ago. But apparantly he has his fans out there. I wonder how much of them like him for his designs and skills or just his psuedo-iconoclastic lifestyle. I can see him appealing to the "Jim Jones' crowd.
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October 19, 2006 - 11:07 PM
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~ And all the old Picasso's are in garage sales in the banlieues of Paris because frankly we have all seen that the emperor is indeed naked.
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eyelikepr
October 19, 2006 - 11:23 PM
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Eye,
Someone posted earlier that Jeffrey went over budget with acsseories Ie the wigs. So once he took those out he was under budget...I think it falls under the whole Kara Saun shoe debacle in the case she did not have receipts for those and then got them at $5 a pair and provided a receipt. They said no but you can show with them if you want but they will not count in your judgeing. She took that chance they had no bearing in the final judgeing...just my take on it. If they could let her slide they had to let Jeffrey take some things out and it would not disqualify him. In this case the wigs.
Yeah, I didn't like her behavior either. She was no better than Wendy, when it came down to it. But I try to base it on the process and the end result.
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October 20, 2006 - 12:25 AM
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The high empire waist and baby doll dress is the hottest thing right now.
In case you did not know that.
The shirt cut like this is extremely hot! For God's sake look at what Heidi and Laura were wearing!!!
Laura designed her own dress as she always does
Yes, and they were wearing high waist dresses (even before they were showing from their pregnancies!)
If you say so - - but I'm not really sure what the point is here.
I originally was only stating that empire waists and baby dolls are hot right now - in response to a post about Jeffrey's designs.
I'm not sure why someone would want to turn this into a competition.
Just because baby doll dresses are "hot" doesn't mean that they are attractive or fashionable. Young girls will wear anything so that they "belong", unfortunately.
Fashion is Art - - Art is Subjective - - Eye of the Beholder
Jeffrey had a baby doll dress in his collection - - I stated they currently are a hot fashion item - - I made no subjective remark of like or dislike
Sometimes what "IS" just "IS" - - without judgment
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October 20, 2006 - 01:37 AM
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Sorry, but it's the designers who have "edge" who do something unconventional that keeps the fashion industry turning, starting new trends. Jeffey's customer is known as what is called an "Experiencer"-she's the first to try an new style that often the masses don't get until it works it's way up the fashion chain and becomes a trend and possibly in time a classic of tommorow! So don't knock Jeffry's style - it could be
what you'll be sporting five years from now!
WAY TO GO JEFFRY!!
FINALLY! Someone who knows what they're talking about.
No one is knocking Laura and Uli's designs. They are beautiful.
Its just not what you want in an innovative up and coming designer.
you mean "FINALLY!! someone who agrees with me"!
Agrees with me and speaks the truth IMO.
There is nothing NEW about Jeffrey's line. No one has explained how it's new yet. I'd like to test what you actually know about the fashion world since you keep saying people don't know what they''re talking about. What's your background in fashion? Jeffrey's style is not new. I hang around what people call a "rock crowd" and it amuses me to see people wearing similar styles of rock and punk clothing then happily proclaiming that they are all unique and not cookie-cutter. Idiotic. All 4 of the styles have been done before it's just the special twist a designer puts on that style that makes it unique. Where are you people from that you've never seen Jeffrey's style of clothing?
brillke
October 20, 2006 - 01:58 AM
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Good night all I'm tired in body and mind and am going to bed...my last thoughts for all of you stop the hateing grab your loved ones and hugg and kiss the hell out of them! Life is too short and sometimes you don't get a secound chance...I know I'm coming off as a nut sorry.
I did read about your friends tragic death. I was stunned. So sorry. Good night and rest easy,
brillke
Tankthemoroncat
October 20, 2006 - 02:35 AM
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Good night all I'm tired in body and mind and am going to bed...my last thoughts for all of you stop the hateing grab your loved ones and hugg and kiss the hell out of them! Life is too short and sometimes you don't get a secound chance...I know I'm coming off as a nut sorry.
No you aren't. Well, at least for those of us who know what has gone on with you lately. I hope life is getting better your way.
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October 20, 2006 - 02:53 AM
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wife really did seem like a nice girl, it's too bad that he won't marry her, I guess he wants an easy escape hatch in case he tires of her. But then again, she must not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier for chosing to hook up with a heroine addict who can't committ and has no managerial skills whatsoever.
You don't know what their personal feelings are with marriage, religion or anything. You know what they look like - which has NOTHING to do with their spirituality. You also know a bit of Jeffrey's history that has from what I see, made him the person he is now. I don't see a bad person. I see a passionate, caring father and partner. He nearly cried when he saw his baby on the phone for father's day! That said a lot to me!
Also, where do you get the "he won't marry her" thing? Maybe it is she who will not marry him? or just maybe a piece of paper means nothing to them?
Jeffrey and Melanie (I think that's her name?) haven't been together since he was on drugs. He's 5 years clean and they've only been a couple for 2.5 or 3 years from what he's offered to tell us.
Opinion on fashion is one thing, but attacking someone because of the way they look is prejudice. Assuming that because he has a punk style that he is a bad person is prejudice. Prejudice = ignorance.
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October 20, 2006 - 03:07 AM
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Project Runway just affirms my belief that fashion is no longer about making women look beautiful, it has become a hedonistic artform. Models are merely coat hangers with heads.
The dress stands alone as an independent piece of art, the woman wearing it is secondary.
Decades ago, fashion was about designing clothes to make women appear more elegant, adventurous, sexy, chic. Think Chanel. The fashions women wore made a statement about her; now designers create fashion to make a statement about themselves.
It doesn't matter if it looks good on only six women living on the planet -- this is deemed to be fashionable for almost everyone. If it doesn't look good on you, that is your fault.
And this is what passes for style. Even if it doesn't translate into something wearable for women, it is deemed "good", "worthy" and even "desirable."
What percentage of fashionable women in America would choose anything out of Jeffery's line over Uli's or Laura's? The MODELS didn't even look good in it.
The judges COMPLAINED that Laura's work was "impeccable" and that her designs were timeless and classic. Her construction was perfect. Most had hours of hand work. Laura's designs were the stuff of fashion back when it was about excellence.
Make no mistake -- the judges are telling us that fashion is no longer about quality. It is no longer about luxurious fabrics (think of Jeffrey's picnic basket evening gown). It is no longer about owning a piece to enhance your wardrobe and be worn for years to come.
And it certainly is no longer about making women look beautiful.
A-freakin'-men!!
This poster said exactly what I've been thinking and even wrote to a fellow PR fan... that Jeffery's clothes are about HIM and the statement he wants to make instead of being about the WOMAN.
Jeffery's may be art (not my taste tho) but they are not anything most women would wear. Who wants to look like a freak show. The classic styles are classic for a reason.... because they look good.
I'm done with PR, no longer a fan.
About three years ago, I had a conversation with a woman who worked in some of the finest fashion houses of Europe for the previous 30 years. I had been complaining about the number of clothes I had in my closet that just plain looked bad on me, were poorly constructed, or didn't hold up over time. She gave me quite an education. And after our exchange, I understood exactly what to buy and what to look for in clothing.
In a nutshell, this is what she told me. I don't work in fashion, so I don't know if it's true, but it seemed to be right.
Years and years ago, there were no real standard sizes. It was assumed that your body was not proportioned correctly. Most of your clothes were custom tailored for you. Even off-the-rack items were routinely altered.
High fashion was about better quality fabrics, solid construction and pieces you purchased to wear for a lifetime. These were part of your own personal collection of clothes. They were called "classic" because they did not go out of style. These were tailored to fit your particular body. If there was a drastic change in hemlines, you simply altered the piece.
Most women had a much smaller wardrobe and these were very good pieces that could be worn over and over again. You might have only three cocktail dresses, but you looked smashing in each one of them. If you looked good in a particular color, that's what you bought.
In the 1960's, fashion became tied to art and music. Designers became celebrities in their own right. Slowly, the industry transitioned from making women look beautiful to being about the clothes themselves, and then ultimately, the designers. Clothing became art and designers became celebrity artists.
And like many artforms, once a name was made for a designer (consider what happens to some musicians in the later stages of their careers), any piece of crap they turned out was valued. Each piece no longer had to stand on it's own merit.
Instead of designing clothes that made women look good, designers created good-looking clothes and then found a model to make the clothing look its best. Isn't it odd that the designers struggle to choose the right model to walk their clothes down the runway from a gaggle of 6' tall, size 0 models? And sometimes the clothes STILL look bad?
Think about that for a moment next time you wonder why you don't look great in some crappy designer line. Then realize that these runway pieces are custom tailored to the model. And still some of it looks bad.
You're trying to make it look good off the rack?
Now, a piece from a collection will be mass produced, knocked off or in some manner it will be filtered down to the rest of us who are not 6' size 0 models. And when it's made, the focus is not on quality and construction, but how they can produce the most items from a bolt of fabric. That's why we all have had the experience with slacks that one leg seems to go the wrong direction. That's because they could squeeze out more of them by ignoring things like the bias in favor of saving fabric.
It isn't about quality. It is about pride of construction. It's about making money.
It used to be that something that was designer used to mean it was the finest quality available. The best fabric. The highest quality sewing. Impeccable finishing. Today, expense does not equal excellence. You can find the same deplorable construction in a discount retail outlet as you can in a high end "designer" fashion.
Did you notice that on PR, not once did you see a judge actually look closely at how the piece was constructed. Some of that crap was GLUED -- and this passed for "high fashion."
Most women do not understand how to shop for their body type and are incredibly frustrated and depressed because they don't look good in these so-called fashions. It's because we are force fed this idea of fashion as wearable art when none of us are hanger-shaped canvas. And yet we keep buying this crap that they tell us is fashion even when we know there's no way it will look good on us.
It's like we don't have our own voice as a gender. I mean, who among us did not cringe when we heard bell-bottom, hip huggers were coming back into style?
None of this will change until women start refusing to buy into this big lie that there is something wrong with our bodies because we aren't genetic freaks that are 6 feet tall and weigh 120 pounds. Until we start demanding real quality in our clothing (decent fabrics, and a minimal level of construction), we will continue to be told we're out of style, too fat or too old.
Fight the lie.
I agree with your post. except for the part about genetic freaks who are 6 feet tall and 120 lbs. I am 5 11 and 120 lbs lol.
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October 20, 2006 - 03:09 AM
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Project Runway just affirms my belief that fashion is no longer about making women look beautiful, it has become a hedonistic artform. Models are merely coat hangers with heads...
Decades ago, fashion was about designing clothes to make women appear more elegant, adventurous, sexy, chic. Think Chanel. The fashions women wore made a statement about her; now designers create fashion to make a statement about themselves...
Make no mistake -- the judges are telling us that fashion is no longer about quality. It is no longer about luxurious fabrics (think of Jeffrey's picnic basket evening gown). It is no longer about owning a piece to enhance your wardrobe and be worn for years to come.
And it certainly is no longer about making women look beautiful.
This poster said exactly what I've been thinking and even wrote to a fellow PR fan... that Jeffery's clothes are about HIM and the statement he wants to make instead of being about the WOMAN.
Jeffery's may be art (not my taste tho) but they are not anything most women would wear. Who wants to look like a freak show. The classic styles are classic for a reason.... because they look good.
I'm done with PR, no longer a fan.
Impressionist painters, when they first exhibited their paintings were reviled - Monet, Renoir, Degas, Cezane, Manet. In the art world, there are those who paint pretty pictures (Uli, Laura) and those who bring an art form forward into new, innovative territory (Jeffery). Like the members of the French Academe, who denigrated the Impressionists, those who only look for "pretty" will degrade Jeffery's talent.
He is innovative, fresh, forward thinking, and a thoughtful business man (and business acumen is part of the mix determining who wins) and completely deserved to win.
On another topic about Jeffery/Laura (who is the villian) Jeffery says what I've thought for quite a while. Laura is a wonderful talented seamstress, and within her narrow category quite talented, but she is not America's complete sweetheart (although I think she's a mom I'd love to have had, full of love and joy and fun)...she is a competitive person, willing to try to psyche out a fellow competitor, and sometimes her "seriously ugly" side comes out.
Jeffery's words about Laura and her unfounded accustations (about which, he was a true gentleman on the last episode):
I was not angry, but I was peeved. I thought, “Oh man, we have a week. We could be celebrating this whole thing. We could be helping each other out.” (...long quote from Jeffrey's post-interview)
That proves nothing except that Jeffrey is capable of character assassination even when winning.
Laura has never behaved one one thosuandth as badly as Jeffrey. He really needs to clean up his own life before posting what he does about her.
He does what men always do, rides roughly over the lives of anyone who gets in his way, attacks old ladies, breaks the spirit of others, and then when someone like Laura stands up to him in a nice way, he condemns her as "passive agressive".
Passive agressive is nothing more than getting your point across without wishing a stroke/death on those you are competing against, or without harassing a contestant after bringing her mother to tears.
This is why I do not like Jeffrey personally.
As far as "fashion forward" that is a hackneyed old phrase nobody uses in my home country. And all the old Picasso's are in garage sales in the banlieues of Paris because frankly we have all seen that the emperor is indeed naked.
Another two cents' worth, with apologies for abridging some of the above long posts...
I almost hurled when the previous poster (Chefsa?) compared Jeffrey's "innovation" to the impressionists. Puh-lease. Jeffrey's stuff is hack, recycled pseudo-punk. There is nothing innovative about it. His one attempt at "stretching" beyond his genre resulted in the milk maid dress, more of a Disney costume than a dress.
On a personal note, I found his 180º personality flip on the last show rather disingenous. After behaving like a snake for weeks, suddenly he wants to tie ribbons in everyone's hair? yeah. And by the way, Laura's accusations (which were shared by the other 2 designers) were unproven, but not unfounded.
Thank you, Tam, for another thoughtful post. I liked you before. Now I love you. I wuv you. I pink fluffy heart you.
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 03:12 AM
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He does what men always do, rides roughly over the lives of anyone who gets in his way, attacks old ladies, breaks the spirit of others, and then when someone like Laura stands up to him in a nice way, he condemns her as "passive agressive".
I get it, you don't hate Jeffrey, you just hate men in general. Just kidding of course.
Although I don't agree with you very often, I do love your posts Tam and I would love for you to run your own blogging site. I would read it every time. Your posts here are great, but I think it would even be better if I could read your thoughts paragraph by paragraph uniterrupted. You have good strong takes and give me something to think about, rather then so many attackers and haters throughout the season. Have you ever thought of doing so?
I am thinking of a fashion blog in france (my home country)
I spend too much time searching for words in english.
After I read that sentence I wrote, it does sound as if I hate men. I most definitely do not Wish I could have reworded it. its not only men who marginalize their adversaries by referring to them as passive agressive.
Unfortunately women tend to be portrayed that way because we are in general less direct than men. I still like to think of it as making our point without resorting to attack.
Thanks for your nice words.
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 03:14 AM
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Good night all I'm tired in body and mind and am going to bed...my last thoughts for all of you stop the hateing grab your loved ones and hugg and kiss the hell out of them! Life is too short and sometimes you don't get a secound chance...I know I'm coming off as a nut sorry.
Kisses and hugs for Actor I am sorry for all that you endured. Get some rest and watch the sun come up, drink some lovely coffee and you will feel renewed
I love to wake up early and watch the sunrise. It makes my day more lovely.
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October 20, 2006 - 03:18 AM
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Project Runway just affirms my belief that fashion is no longer about making women look beautiful, it has become a hedonistic artform. Models are merely coat hangers with heads...
Decades ago, fashion was about designing clothes to make women appear more elegant, adventurous, sexy, chic. Think Chanel. The fashions women wore made a statement about her; now designers create fashion to make a statement about themselves...
Make no mistake -- the judges are telling us that fashion is no longer about quality. It is no longer about luxurious fabrics (think of Jeffrey's picnic basket evening gown). It is no longer about owning a piece to enhance your wardrobe and be worn for years to come.
And it certainly is no longer about making women look beautiful.
This poster said exactly what I've been thinking and even wrote to a fellow PR fan... that Jeffery's clothes are about HIM and the statement he wants to make instead of being about the WOMAN.
Jeffery's may be art (not my taste tho) but they are not anything most women would wear. Who wants to look like a freak show. The classic styles are classic for a reason.... because they look good.
I'm done with PR, no longer a fan.
Impressionist painters, when they first exhibited their paintings were reviled - Monet, Renoir, Degas, Cezane, Manet. In the art world, there are those who paint pretty pictures (Uli, Laura) and those who bring an art form forward into new, innovative territory (Jeffery). Like the members of the French Academe, who denigrated the Impressionists, those who only look for "pretty" will degrade Jeffery's talent.
He is innovative, fresh, forward thinking, and a thoughtful business man (and business acumen is part of the mix determining who wins) and completely deserved to win.
On another topic about Jeffery/Laura (who is the villian) Jeffery says what I've thought for quite a while. Laura is a wonderful talented seamstress, and within her narrow category quite talented, but she is not America's complete sweetheart (although I think she's a mom I'd love to have had, full of love and joy and fun)...she is a competitive person, willing to try to psyche out a fellow competitor, and sometimes her "seriously ugly" side comes out.
Jeffery's words about Laura and her unfounded accustations (about which, he was a true gentleman on the last episode):
I was not angry, but I was peeved. I thought, “Oh man, we have a week. We could be celebrating this whole thing. We could be helping each other out.” (...long quote from Jeffrey's post-interview)
That proves nothing except that Jeffrey is capable of character assassination even when winning.
Laura has never behaved one one thosuandth as badly as Jeffrey. He really needs to clean up his own life before posting what he does about her.
He does what men always do, rides roughly over the lives of anyone who gets in his way, attacks old ladies, breaks the spirit of others, and then when someone like Laura stands up to him in a nice way, he condemns her as "passive agressive".
Passive agressive is nothing more than getting your point across without wishing a stroke/death on those you are competing against, or without harassing a contestant after bringing her mother to tears.
This is why I do not like Jeffrey personally.
As far as "fashion forward" that is a hackneyed old phrase nobody uses in my home country. And all the old Picasso's are in garage sales in the banlieues of Paris because frankly we have all seen that the emperor is indeed naked.
Another two cents' worth, with apologies for abridging some of the above long posts...
I almost hurled when the previous poster (Chefsa?) compared Jeffrey's "innovation" to the impressionists. Puh-lease. Jeffrey's stuff is hack, recycled pseudo-punk. There is nothing innovative about it. His one attempt at "stretching" beyond his genre resulted in the milk maid dress, more of a Disney costume than a dress.
On a personal note, I found his 180º personality flip on the last show rather disingenous. After behaving like a snake for weeks, suddenly he wants to tie ribbons in everyone's hair? yeah. And by the way, Laura's accusations (which were shared by the other 2 designers) were unproven, but not unfounded.
Thank you, Tam, for another thoughtful post. I liked you before. Now I love you. I wuv you. I pink fluffy heart you.
That is the nicest thing I could receive thank you chacha
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October 20, 2006 - 03:22 AM
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wife really did seem like a nice girl, it's too bad that he won't marry her, I guess he wants an easy escape hatch in case he tires of her. But then again, she must not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier for chosing to hook up with a heroine addict who can't committ and has no managerial skills whatsoever.
You don't know what their personal feelings are with marriage, religion or anything. You know what they look like - which has NOTHING to do with their spirituality. You also know a bit of Jeffrey's history that has from what I see, made him the person he is now. I don't see a bad person. I see a passionate, caring father and partner. He nearly cried when he saw his baby on the phone for father's day! That said a lot to me!
Also, where do you get the "he won't marry her" thing? Maybe it is she who will not marry him? or just maybe a piece of paper means nothing to them?
Jeffrey and Melanie (I think that's her name?) haven't been together since he was on drugs. He's 5 years clean and they've only been a couple for 2.5 or 3 years from what he's offered to tell us.
Opinion on fashion is one thing, but attacking someone because of the way they look is prejudice. Assuming that because he has a punk style that he is a bad person is prejudice. Prejudice = ignorance.
Youch, Im no fan of Jeffreys designs and some of his behavier but damn, that was harsh. Agree with Tank on this one,
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October 20, 2006 - 03:26 AM
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Good night all I'm tired in body and mind and am going to bed...my last thoughts for all of you stop the hateing grab your loved ones and hugg and kiss the hell out of them! Life is too short and sometimes you don't get a secound chance...I know I'm coming off as a nut sorry.
Kisses and hugs for Actor I am sorry for all that you endured. Get some rest and watch the sun come up, drink some lovely coffee and you will feel renewed
I love to wake up early and watch the sunrise. It makes my day more lovely.
Your 5` 11`` 120lbs AND a morning person??? Sorry tam, we can no longer be friends.
Hee Hee, just kidden.
brillke
Boomette
October 20, 2006 - 03:33 AM
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Laura's designs are boring and mundane."Her sewing is impeccable,oh she sews so well"what's new?Michael was a huge disappointment.He's a nice guy,but I question his devotion when he says fashion is his life,but takes a month off before starting work on his collection.Jeffrey is kinda now, kinda wow,kinda Charlie.Deal with it.However Uli should have won IMO,her line WAS innovative IMO,beautfiul and appealing.But that's the fashion industry for ya.Oh and does Laura's husband look like that nutty professor from some video game or what.Or was it her dad.Just curious
For a minute there, I thought Laura was married to Richard Dreyfuss! ;-> Actually, he looked a lot older at 1st glance, because his hair is so white. But closer inspection reveals him to be a fairly youthful, handsome man - who looks like a less rumpled Albert Einstein!
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October 20, 2006 - 03:48 AM
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We get it Crackbaby you hate Jeffrey and think he sucks! I'd ask what's up your ass but from your quote above I'm sure we all have a good idea.
Oh BTW I don't like to go here because I find it base and uncalled for to be so crude but alienating people who agree with you from a design aspect isn't the best course of action. I'm suspecting that if your name implies anything to your personal history we should all assume we have your mother to thank for this?
Jeffrey's my dad! You Dillweed! Don't hate! Just wait til you see his new punk line with ribbons tied through nipple rings. You'll love it!
I get it he's your Daddy! Oh I thought you meant father! Um, well if that's your game player carry to it!
It obvious by your colorful sharing what your into. Let me send Jeff a message I think you need a spankin!
(sigh)
Tedious little people.
Shoo!
savage25
October 20, 2006 - 04:06 AM
I cannot believe Jeffrey won... It's horrible. Some of his dresses made the models look pregnant... and he broke the rules... Ugh! How can the judges say "I would wear every one of her dresses"... and then proceed to pick someone else? I don't feel that he won fairly... nor do I think his clothes were the best. Was it a sympathy vote and vote for "possibile" and not "actual" work...? Was it just to add "drama" to the show?
I'm disgusted with the outcome... Jeffrey slid through so many of the challenges and shouldn't have ever made it this far. *sigh*
Besides... he already has a successful clothing line... so why does he need Project Runway? Such greed.
I'm so disgusted! SO disgusted I doubt I will watch another season.
Boomette
October 20, 2006 - 04:44 AM
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I cannot believe Jeff won. Granted his clothes are cute but his attitude while working with his clients sucks. Uli deserved it. Her clothes were funky, pretty, and she always had a smile on her face.
Uli's clothes are modern day MuuMuus - - or shifts - - or dusters (if you want to go back to the 50s).
They are beautiful because of her talent with patterns - - - but innovative and creative design they are not.
I would love to have one of Uli's dresses - - - as I said they are beautiful - - - but they are not competitive with Jeffrey's idea concepts.
WHAT?!?!?!
NOTHING I've seen of Uli's looks even remotely like a muu-muu/shift/duster, with the possible exception of the top she made for the Everyday Woman challenge. Her dresses are full and flowing, but they have a definite shape, and are fitted to the body on top. I'm a large size myself, and believe me, there's NOTHING out here for us to wear anywhere near as lovely as Uli's clothes! The duster is a shapeless blob of fabric, gathered on top, usually in some noxious print. They are comfortable, though, and go great with a cup of coffee, the morning paper, and a pair of scuffs.
The only "muu-muu's" I saw this season came from Robert and Jeffrey, again on the Everyday Woman. Neither of them had a clue on how to deal with a body that had a measurement that exceeded 36 inches.
Thinking back, I find it very disturbing that Robert, who was a Parsons student, had NO ability to deal with a larger body type. Makes you wonder what design schools are providing their students in the way of any real training. Most designers don't end up doing runway; it would be nice if they could cope with a real female form.
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October 20, 2006 - 04:52 AM
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I really don't understand the judges. Jeffrey's stuff made even rail thin models look fat! What normal woman would want to wear that stuff? They also said they didn't like his two blue dresses so they didn't even like his entire collection. Heidi says all of Laura's is stunning and looks like a $30,000 collection. She also says she would wear everything Uli made and Nina says Uli's stuff is great and will sell for sure. So why vote for the really strange looking stuff almost no one will wear? Do they only consider it fashion if it looks weird? Or do the editors cut out so much stuff that we get every comment out of context?
They said - they didn't think the 2 blue dress were cohesive with the collection.
They did not say they did not like the dresses.
Uhh - actually, they called the long blue dress the "Japanese nightmare" - reference to Jeff's alleged theme of Japanese dreams and demon stories. That, to me, would indicate dislike.
And while I did like some of Jeff's designs, it's true that he tends to make rather bunchy dresses that will look terrible on 95% of the female poplulation over age 25. Most girls under age 25 won't be able to afford them.
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October 20, 2006 - 04:57 AM
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Anger management, get a clue, I typed out a response.
The people who get anger management are ones who don't have control of their anger.
It seems to me that if you're trying to express your "professional" opinion on a board that a bunch of plus-sized woman with their cats read, then you are an amateur.
LOL don't you just love it when someone you think is a d-bag opens their mouth and removes all doubt? Amazing.
I think I love you.ROFL
I second that love! ;p
Hey, if my cats could read, they'd be hacking up hairballs at this point!
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October 20, 2006 - 05:19 AM
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Project Runway just affirms my belief that fashion is no longer about making women look beautiful, it has become a hedonistic artform. Models are merely coat hangers with heads.
The dress stands alone as an independent piece of art, the woman wearing it is secondary.
Decades ago, fashion was about designing clothes to make women appear more elegant, adventurous, sexy, chic. Think Chanel. The fashions women wore made a statement about her; now designers create fashion to make a statement about themselves.
It doesn't matter if it looks good on only six women living on the planet -- this is deemed to be fashionable for almost everyone. If it doesn't look good on you, that is your fault.
And this is what passes for style. Even if it doesn't translate into something wearable for women, it is deemed "good", "worthy" and even "desirable."
What percentage of fashionable women in America would choose anything out of Jeffery's line over Uli's or Laura's? The MODELS didn't even look good in it.
The judges COMPLAINED that Laura's work was "impeccable" and that her designs were timeless and classic. Her construction was perfect. Most had hours of hand work. Laura's designs were the stuff of fashion back when it was about excellence.
Make no mistake -- the judges are telling us that fashion is no longer about quality. It is no longer about luxurious fabrics (think of Jeffrey's picnic basket evening gown). It is no longer about owning a piece to enhance your wardrobe and be worn for years to come.
And it certainly is no longer about making women look beautiful.
A-freakin'-men!!
This poster said exactly what I've been thinking and even wrote to a fellow PR fan... that Jeffery's clothes are about HIM and the statement he wants to make instead of being about the WOMAN.
Jeffery's may be art (not my taste tho) but they are not anything most women would wear. Who wants to look like a freak show. The classic styles are classic for a reason.... because they look good.
I'm done with PR, no longer a fan.
About three years ago, I had a conversation with a woman who worked in some of the finest fashion houses of Europe for the previous 30 years. I had been complaining about the number of clothes I had in my closet that just plain looked bad on me, were poorly constructed, or didn't hold up over time. She gave me quite an education. And after our exchange, I understood exactly what to buy and what to look for in clothing.
In a nutshell, this is what she told me. I don't work in fashion, so I don't know if it's true, but it seemed to be right.
Years and years ago, there were no real standard sizes. It was assumed that your body was not proportioned correctly. Most of your clothes were custom tailored for you. Even off-the-rack items were routinely altered.
High fashion was about better quality fabrics, solid construction and pieces you purchased to wear for a lifetime. These were part of your own personal collection of clothes. They were called "classic" because they did not go out of style. These were tailored to fit your particular body. If there was a drastic change in hemlines, you simply altered the piece.
Most women had a much smaller wardrobe and these were very good pieces that could be worn over and over again. You might have only three cocktail dresses, but you looked smashing in each one of them. If you looked good in a particular color, that's what you bought.
In the 1960's, fashion became tied to art and music. Designers became celebrities in their own right. Slowly, the industry transitioned from making women look beautiful to being about the clothes themselves, and then ultimately, the designers. Clothing became art and designers became celebrity artists.
And like many artforms, once a name was made for a designer (consider what happens to some musicians in the later stages of their careers), any piece of crap they turned out was valued. Each piece no longer had to stand on it's own merit.
Instead of designing clothes that made women look good, designers created good-looking clothes and then found a model to make the clothing look its best. Isn't it odd that the designers struggle to choose the right model to walk their clothes down the runway from a gaggle of 6' tall, size 0 models? And sometimes the clothes STILL look bad?
Think about that for a moment next time you wonder why you don't look great in some crappy designer line. Then realize that these runway pieces are custom tailored to the model. And still some of it looks bad.
You're trying to make it look good off the rack?
Now, a piece from a collection will be mass produced, knocked off or in some manner it will be filtered down to the rest of us who are not 6' size 0 models. And when it's made, the focus is not on quality and construction, but how they can produce the most items from a bolt of fabric. That's why we all have had the experience with slacks that one leg seems to go the wrong direction. That's because they could squeeze out more of them by ignoring things like the bias in favor of saving fabric.
It isn't about quality. It is about pride of construction. It's about making money.
It used to be that something that was designer used to mean it was the finest quality available. The best fabric. The highest quality sewing. Impeccable finishing. Today, expense does not equal excellence. You can find the same deplorable construction in a discount retail outlet as you can in a high end "designer" fashion.
Did you notice that on PR, not once did you see a judge actually look closely at how the piece was constructed. Some of that crap was GLUED -- and this passed for "high fashion."
Most women do not understand how to shop for their body type and are incredibly frustrated and depressed because they don't look good in these so-called fashions. It's because we are force fed this idea of fashion as wearable art when none of us are hanger-shaped canvas. And yet we keep buying this crap that they tell us is fashion even when we know there's no way it will look good on us.
It's like we don't have our own voice as a gender. I mean, who among us did not cringe when we heard bell-bottom, hip huggers were coming back into style?
None of this will change until women start refusing to buy into this big lie that there is something wrong with our bodies because we aren't genetic freaks that are 6 feet tall and weigh 120 pounds. Until we start demanding real quality in our clothing (decent fabrics, and a minimal level of construction), we will continue to be told we're out of style, too fat or too old.
Fight the lie.
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(holding up lighter) FREE BIRD!!!
BEST POST OF THE SEASON - THANKS!!!
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October 20, 2006 - 05:55 AM
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Good night all I'm tired in body and mind and am going to bed...my last thoughts for all of you stop the hateing grab your loved ones and hugg and kiss the hell out of them! Life is too short and sometimes you don't get a secound chance...I know I'm coming off as a nut sorry.
Kisses and hugs for Actor I am sorry for all that you endured. Get some rest and watch the sun come up, drink some lovely coffee and you will feel renewed
I love to wake up early and watch the sunrise. It makes my day more lovely.
Your 5` 11`` 120lbs AND a morning person??? Sorry tam, we can no longer be friends.
Hee Hee, just kidden.
brillke
LOL I was alwyas a morning person I remember getting up every morning at 0530. It was a problem when my parents died and I was in a school. I shared a "tite chambre" with 3 other girls and they threatened to tie me to the bed if I got up before 0800 And they did! lol
We were all kidding but I did get a room that had some doors which led onto a beautiful terrace and I watched tv very quietly there every morning for several hours before everyone got up. Eventually as I grew older I was allowed to take tea and dejeuner with the ladies of the kitchen and I practially lived there until 8 am and am still very close with these dear ladies.
Sorry for the life history its just such a pleasant memory
tealy
October 20, 2006 - 06:01 AM
I watched the show again last night (esp since I have no plans on watcing PR again) and I noticed this:
Jeffrey got no claps for his designs as the models modeled. I believe his designs are for a certain group, so they didn't clap. This does not mean his designs weren't good because I liked some of them. If anyone knows the name of the record played during Jeff's show, please post.
Uli got claps for the dress/swimsuit and the final dress Nazri wore. I believe she got claps and was liked more because her designs are for women who don't take chances and like to wear the obvious. Her designs were nice but too boring for me.
Laura got claps for the pants/lace dress, the black dress with feathers at the bottom and the final dress Camille wore. She got the most claps.Again, Laura's designs are not out the ordinary so women would wear them.
Michael got not claps for his designs as the models modeled. But got a lot of claps for his entire collection at the end of his show. I think peole kept waiting for some fantastic design to clap for because the bar was set so high for Michael. Michael clothes were probably too sexy for some women but I believe would sell a lot in stores to women who like them. Many young women would wear his collection. For some reason, I kept thinking Victoria Secret when I looked at his designs, esp the bathing suits.
love15640
October 20, 2006 - 06:11 AM
I just want to know if it bothers anyone else that Michael Kors wears the same, boring outfit on every single episode!! He always talks about being so innovative but he wears a black blazer, black t-shirt, and jeans every week! And the clothes he sells are not too exciting.
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October 20, 2006 - 06:13 AM
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It's all becoming clear now, regarding all three season's winners.... Imagine finding a tape containing the rest of what Tim Gunn said to Uli. We heard, "Don't bore Nina". We didn't hear what followed, "And don't threaten Michael Kors".
I think it's time for some new judges. Fern Mallis ROCKS!
AI
Heidi also told the designers to not play it safe. Oh well, Michael did not play it safe and they turned around and told him his clothes were too sexy. I am still trying to figure this out. What was too sexy? He had a few short dresses, that were no shorter than baby doll dresses. Heidi wore a baby doll dress on one of the shows, so what was the problem? And Michael showed low cut dresses exposing the chest but not really the breasts. Again, what was too sexy? As far as his bathing suits, they were bathing suits. His suits were no skimppier (sp) than Uli's two-piece.
Michael waited too late to start on his work. He could've done much more with his designs but instead he resulted to making short dresses (takes no time to do), lace up the front and with a belt. But at this point, had he done more, would it have made a difference? I think not!
pennseygirl1
October 20, 2006 - 06:31 AM
I have been a faithful watcher of PR since it began. After Jeffery's winning this season, I will no longer watch it. There were too many questions in my mind regarding Jeffery. First, he is too hard edged and hard rock for me and most people. My phone was ringing off the hook from my friends who also watched and couldn't believe the outcome. We all thought Uli would win with Micheal a close second. Laura's dresses were beautiful but they were all evening dresses. How the hell did Jeffrey win the Travel Outfit challenge? I thought he looked more rock star and ridiculous than Kane. I'm with Laura. I think he had outside help. That receipt was never verified or found. But, even with outside help, I thought his collection sucked. I'm now questioning the judges. How much influence do the producers have? Maybe it's too much. This is the last season my television will be tuned to BRAVO for Project Runway. You just lost a loyal viewer.
Kaff
October 20, 2006 - 06:46 AM
I totally agree with you blahnikfan! Wow that season finale was total bull****!! Ok let me see if I understand this correctly. The designer with the LEAST amount of talent get's their own line. Or maybe it's the designer who doesn't listen to his client remember episode (Everyday Woman) absolutely unacceptable!! No I get it now it's the fact he went over budget despite the other designers staying within their expenses. When did common sense become disposable. What could the judges possibly see in Jeffery's design's? Ok what needs to be said hasn't and that is how does tacky and different translate into great fashion. I'm all for innovative and captivating fashion however, when did that show up during Jeffery's designs?? If you step back and really consider the outfits an average person would wear who immediately comes to mind is Michael or Uli's designs. I loved everything about Michael. He is extremely talented and his designs showed up! He was the most consistent and, the most grounded out of all the designers. Which will get you noticed and in high demand. Uli brought a wonderful sense of adventure to her designs as well. So, why either one of them were not picked is a mystery to me and, probably 90% of the people posting here too! I mean come on who can honestly say they would wear a zipper eaten dress. Not only did Jeffery's outfits not "work" they made many of us confused. All my coworkers agree they won't waist anymore time on this show and, neither will I. It should be called Project Runaway with common sense!!!
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October 20, 2006 - 06:54 AM
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I spend too much time searching for words in english.
Tam -- I was surprised when I learned you were not a "native born" American. Your English is so perfect, and you are able to express yourself so well. Now, of course, I wonder about your accent. I hope you are easier to understand than Cazzzachreen Malandchreeeno; she makes Pepe LePew sound like a Texan.
akelly0524
October 20, 2006 - 07:03 AM
i can't believe jeffrey won! i'm not sure if i'll even watch next season after that. he only had one outfit that i even liked. i thought michael's was the best, then uli's. the judges must be blind to have picked jeffrey.
TishTheFish
October 20, 2006 - 07:09 AM
Jeffrey got no claps for his designs as the models modeled. I believe his designs are for a certain group, so they didn't clap. This does not mean his designs weren't good because I liked some of them. If anyone knows the name of the record played during Jeff's show, please post.
It's a song from Jeffrey's old band - Lifter. They have a MySpace site and a website but I can't find the link now. Plug "Lifter" into the "Artist Direct" Site for more information.
jworks
October 20, 2006 - 07:29 AM
I can't believe that Jeffrey won. I'm so mad and I could not sleep after the episode. What is up with the judges? Are they crazy? I think Laura should have won - she has class and style and she is so good at what she does. I was so, so disappointed with this show. I hope next season is better than this one - what a rip off.
girlw
October 20, 2006 - 07:34 AM
Well I, for one, am officially OFF Project Runway now.
Chloe's win (adorable as she is) began the process and Jeffreys win sealed the deal. The only good to come out of this is that (hopefully) this spells the end of Daniel V's blog - which has been THE most vapid, self-absorbed, condescending thing EVER.
mlwestie77
October 20, 2006 - 07:47 AM
Here is my take on the finale:
Michael has been my favorite all season. And I liked his line. I cant believe he has gotten so much critisism from the judges and just about everyone else. I think his line was sexy without being crude, vibrant, fun, funky, and hip-hop. I thought he should have lost a couple of the big belts, he had too many of them and I didnt like the gold bathing suit but I loved the white bathing suit. I was so dissapointed that he didnt get any claps from the audience during his show. What was that about? And then the judges didnt have anything good to say, which I didnt understand. They didnt have to like his the best, but how could they not have anything good to say? Then again, this is Heidi who would probably not ever wear any type of even SLIGHTLY hip-hop urban sexy style of clothing and Michael Kors is also FAR from that as well. I mean the man cant ever wear anything different besides a black blazer and a black tee shirt. All season he always got on someone when he thought their clothes were too "matronly" looking, when in my opinion, most of the time I thought he was high on something cause the clothes he said looked matronly looked youthful to me, and I am in my 20's. Then out of all of the collections in the finale, Michael's was the sexiest AND the most youthful, but at the same time some of his pieces could be worn by a little bit older, more vibrant woman and they do nothing but criticize.
Michael got no praise from these judges who have no interest or taste at all in the hip-hop style. Yet I did not see his collection as being too urban, I thought it was a nice medium. I am not a black woman, I am a white woman and I do have a liking for a somewhat hip hop flavor. If I had the body for it, I would wear most of this designs. They were sexy to me without being trashy. And I love how he fixed that white shirt with the silver sequins. The initial design of the shirt I didnt like as Tim did not either, but when it came out on the runway, I was surprised. He made VAST improvements on that shirt!
Very sad that my boy Michael did not win. He has the maturity level, he just has a little bit of a different flavor of style than the stingy Michael Kors and Heidi do. He should not be chastised because his style does not fit with theirs.
Laura's collection was nice, but I was bored with all of the cocktail dresses, and I did feel that it was lacking originality. I dont know why Michael was aufed before her.
Uli's collection was okay, I didnt care for it. There were a few pieces of hers that I really liked, but overall her style did nothing for me. I dont like really long dresses. And I especially did not like the dresses she had that were strapless and just cut completely straight across the top of the breasts, I thought that was really ugly and unflattering. In my opinion she got my hype than she deserved.
Even though I do love Michael and I did like his collection, I did think that Jefferey's collection was the best one. Although I still would have rather seen Michael win, Jefferey ddid deserve the win.
Fashion is SOOOOOOOOO subjective. That is why I cant hate TOO much on the judges for being so critical of Michael's collection and why those who didnt like Jeffery's collection can be so upset that the Judges picked him. I dont get why people come on here and scream "I am never watching again" blah blah blah. My favorite did not win this season, but so what? It is a tv show, and it is fashion which holds a different beauty and appeal for each of us. I just love fashion, period. And I like to watch this show, no matter what aholes are on it, no matter if the person I want to win does or doesnt, no matter if I think some designers have an ugly estetic or not. The process of creating the design from sketch to the runway is exciting and fasinating and I just love everything about it. So I will always continue to watch.
TishTheFish
October 20, 2006 - 07:50 AM
Jeffrey had the most complete and innovative collection shown - that's why he won.
Laura's work while generally good was all the same "black party dress". Plus she had some real dogs - didn't you want to rip that ruffled net off of the model wearing the suit jacket and what's up with that horrid black fur collar/jacket?
Yea Jeffrey!
oscarsimon
October 20, 2006 - 07:52 AM
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Sorry, but it's the designers who have "edge" who do something unconventional that keeps the fashion industry turning, starting new trends. Jeffey's customer is known as what is called an "Experiencer"-she's the first to try an new style that often the masses don't get until it works it's way up the fashion chain and becomes a trend and possibly in time a classic of tommorow! So don't knock Jeffry's style - it could be
what you'll be sporting five years from now!
WAY TO GO JEFFRY!!
FINALLY! Someone who knows what they're talking about.
No one is knocking Laura and Uli's designs. They are beautiful.
Its just not what you want in an innovative up and coming designer.
you mean "FINALLY!! someone who agrees with me"!
Agrees with me and speaks the truth IMO.
There is nothing NEW about Jeffrey's line. No one has explained how it's new yet. I'd like to test what you actually know about the fashion world since you keep saying people don't know what they''re talking about. What's your background in fashion? Jeffrey's style is not new. I hang around what people call a "rock crowd" and it amuses me to see people wearing similar styles of rock and punk clothing then happily proclaiming that they are all unique and not cookie-cutter. Idiotic. All 4 of the styles have been done before it's just the special twist a designer puts on that style that makes it unique. Where are you people from that you've never seen Jeffrey's style of clothing?
As "they" say - - there are only so many keys on the piano.
Let's see - - humans have been wearing clothes for how many centuries?
Styles are constantly being resurrected and recycled. What's new? New fabrics - new textures - new colors - combining styles - new treatment of color and pattern combinations - fresh/modern approach to an old treatment - tweaks here and there - unique construction of bust treatment - etc etc.
Forget which judge said it - - but they said Jeffrey has that ability to see something on the street - in the clubs - - - take those ideas - make them fresh - use fabric and textures and colors expertly - - and turn it into a high fashion piece.
There is a difference between street/club wear - - and a high fasion derivative of - - - which apparently you are not at a level to understand.
Gawd - - these adolescents from the club scene are annoying. I grew up in SOCA - - my daughter lives on Blackburn just around the corner from Farmers Market. She works in Hollywood. I spend a lot of time there.
This is SOCA (southern California) - - Jeffrey's scene. This is not high fashion New York. What you've seen Jeffrey wear on the show is pretty much what you will see in day street wear in Hollywood - on Melrose - and surrounding areas. There are gated communities up in the hills and some high end areas - - but for the most part this is an old area with a lot of senior citizens and street people. (it is not too far from the Santa Monica Beaches).
Of course there are some who "dress for success" - - but when my daughter worked for Fox - - she wore shorts and tank tops to work.
The night scene is different - - the city "transforms". There is something for everyone. It is very cliquish - - everyone has there little groups and hot spots.
You've seen the tabloids - - Paris - Nicole - - and what kind of stuff they wear - - - how many do you really think make it into that elite group? Trust me - - there are far more Jeffrey's in SOCA - then there are Nicole's.
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 07:59 AM
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Here is my take on the finale:
Michael has been my favorite all season. And I liked his line. I cant believe he has gotten so much critisism from the judges and just about everyone else. I think his line was sexy without being crude, vibrant, fun, funky, and hip-hop. I thought he should have lost a couple of the big belts, he had too many of them and I didnt like the gold bathing suit but I loved the white bathing suit. I was so dissapointed that he didnt get any claps from the audience during his show. What was that about? And then the judges didnt have anything good to say, which I didnt understand. They didnt have to like his the best, but how could they not have anything good to say? Then again, this is Heidi who would probably not ever wear any type of even SLIGHTLY hip-hop urban sexy style of clothing and Michael Kors is also FAR from that as well. I mean the man cant ever wear anything different besides a black blazer and a black tee shirt. All season he always got on someone when he thought their clothes were too "matronly" looking, when in my opinion, most of the time I thought he was high on something cause the clothes he said looked matronly looked youthful to me, and I am in my 20's. Then out of all of the collections in the finale, Michael's was the sexiest AND the most youthful, but at the same time some of his pieces could be worn by a little bit older, more vibrant woman and they do nothing but criticize.
Michael got no praise from these judges who have no interest or taste at all in the hip-hop style. Yet I did not see his collection as being too urban, I thought it was a nice medium. I am not a black woman, I am a white woman and I do have a liking for a somewhat hip hop flavor. If I had the body for it, I would wear most of this designs. They were sexy to me without being trashy. And I love how he fixed that white shirt with the silver sequins. The initial design of the shirt I didnt like as Tim did not either, but when it came out on the runway, I was surprised. He made VAST improvements on that shirt!
Very sad that my boy Michael did not win. He has the maturity level, he just has a little bit of a different flavor of style than the stingy Michael Kors and Heidi do. He should not be chastised because his style does not fit with theirs.
Laura's collection was nice, but I was bored with all of the cocktail dresses, and I did feel that it was lacking originality. I dont know why Michael was aufed before her.
Uli's collection was okay, I didnt care for it. There were a few pieces of hers that I really liked, but overall her style did nothing for me. I dont like really long dresses. And I especially did not like the dresses she had that were strapless and just cut completely straight across the top of the breasts, I thought that was really ugly and unflattering. In my opinion she got my hype than she deserved.
Even though I do love Michael and I did like his collection, I did think that Jefferey's collection was the best one. Although I still would have rather seen Michael win, Jefferey ddid deserve the win.
Fashion is SOOOOOOOOO subjective. That is why I cant hate TOO much on the judges for being so critical of Michael's collection and why those who didnt like Jeffery's collection can be so upset that the Judges picked him. I dont get why people come on here and scream "I am never watching again" blah blah blah. My favorite did not win this season, but so what? It is a tv show, and it is fashion which holds a different beauty and appeal for each of us. I just love fashion, period. And I like to watch this show, no matter what aholes are on it, no matter if the person I want to win does or doesnt, no matter if I think some designers have an ugly estetic or not. The process of creating the design from sketch to the runway is exciting and fasinating and I just love everything about it. So I will always continue to watch.
Laura was only auf'd because she had a narrow focus. Michael was auf'd because his clothes were just horrowshow.
As one of the forum wits put it, he did 12 Pam Grier outfits.
Jeffrey won, and although I do disagree a little (Laura should have won, or Uli IMO) all this carping is starting to look foolish and even though Jeffrey is an @ss, his clothes are nice if not REALLY too focused for my taste.
Laura will go far, as will Uli, and frankly I think also Jeffrey.
Michael I am not so sure about anymore. I think his partner, Laura, may have influenced him to keep his clothes classy and upscale without descending into the bowels of Janet Jackson. Unfortunately the poor thing, when left to his own devices, has a profoundly lacking taste level.
If Jeffrey and Laura were to produce a line TOGETHER I think there would be no stopping him.
Laura, also, thinks Michael will go far, I believe.
loupiniella
October 20, 2006 - 08:03 AM
Keith broke the rules and was kicked off the show. Jeffrey broke the rules and won. Not fair. Who cares if his collection was complete if he cheated?
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 08:05 AM
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Keith broke the rules and was kicked off the show. Jeffrey broke the rules and won. Not fair. Who cares if his collection was complete if he cheated?
Innocent until proven guilty. Jeffrey has never been proven guilty and probably never will be. And actually I hope he is not. His family were so thrilled for him, I would not wish such pain on anyone.
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