TishTheFish
October 20, 2006 - 08:07 AM
Do they have the complete rules posted somewhere? He didn't use outside help that wasn't allowed (according to Tim) and didn't show with the wigs so he ended up $400 under budget. He didn't cheat and deserved to win.
katiebegood
October 20, 2006 - 08:08 AM
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Keith broke the rules and was kicked off the show. Jeffrey broke the rules and won. Not fair. Who cares if his collection was complete if he cheated?
Innocent until proven guilty. Jeffrey has never been proven guilty and probably never will be. And actually I hope he is not. His family were so thrilled for him, I would not wish such pain on anyone.
Actually, he did break the rules, he went over budget. And, I firmly believe he had the people he hires for his line of clothing do much of the sewing for him. He's way too smart to include receipts for outsorced sewing. As long as there was not a receipt for his outsorcing, no one could prove what he did.
Mawdear
October 20, 2006 - 08:13 AM
Okay, I just couldn't hold it in any longer. Jeffrey won????? If that's forward fashion stop the bus!!! PLEASE!!!! And what's up with going over budget, being told to remove some of his fashions (which he didn't---wigs???---come on!), losing receipts, and with the level of craftsmanship he was showing all during the show, I still suspect all that sewing wasn't done by him. How can one commit all these "sins" and still win???
I was rooting for Laura, whom I thought had THE most cohesive collection. Yes, it was all evening wear, but WHAT EVENING WEAR IT WAS!!! Michael Kors said it all when he said she made $8K look like $30K. Now, isn't that what you'd want??? To look like a million bucks for a few thousand???
Will I watch next season?? I don't know. Right now I'm inclined to skip it. I think the show needs to stop focusing on petty b*tchyness and give us MORE fashion. I want to know HOW the designers come up with their fashion design; I want to SEE them in the process of struggling to "making it work." I could give a care if John hates [expletive deleted] who loves Harry. Please----enough!!!
Jeffrey won!! Where's my drink???
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 08:17 AM
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Keith broke the rules and was kicked off the show. Jeffrey broke the rules and won. Not fair. Who cares if his collection was complete if he cheated?
Innocent until proven guilty. Jeffrey has never been proven guilty and probably never will be. And actually I hope he is not. His family were so thrilled for him, I would not wish such pain on anyone.
Actually, he did break the rules, he went over budget. And, I firmly believe he had the people he hires for his line of clothing do much of the sewing for him. He's way too smart to include receipts for outsorced sewing. As long as there was not a receipt for his outsorcing, no one could prove what he did.
Katie I dislike Jeffrey because to start with I was a huge Angela fan, and Laura fan next. He terrorized Angela and her mother, and then he and his apologists smeared them and called her mother "passive agressive" (which most any female might be called as we generally are not confrontational).
SO I have no love for Jeffrey. And I do think he cheated.
The rumor mill has it that Laura's mother was told POINT BLANK by Jeffrey's mother that Jeffrey had his hired help sewing the designs for him.
This may or may not be true, but its just not provable thusfar, and so, good manners decries that we must give Jeffrey the benefit of the doubt, and assume him to be innocent (or at least Project Runway must do that, we can think what we like).
As for the receipts, he subtracted a few items and was no longer over budget. So apparently his attention to detail is lacking in both his workmanship and business acumen. But he won, I applaud him, am happy for his lovely family, and am moving on until such time as I hear for sure he cheated, whereupon I will gleefully rake him over the cyber coals
mlwestie77
October 20, 2006 - 08:18 AM
I disagree. Michael did show a lot of versatility throughout the entire season, and I think Laura had nothing to do with it, just because they were friends. Michael showed diversity in range throughout the whole season, whereas Laura, Jefferey, and Uli always did basically the same thing over nad over. Laura always did an upperclass New York chic woman who goes to lots of cocktail parties and fundraisers. Jeffery would occasionally step out of the rock and roll box, but not very often or too much. And Uli never went beyond the Miami sundress, even in her collection so mostly stuck to that estetic though there were a few outfits in her collection that stepped away from that a bit.
Michael's collection was all sexy, all hotness, hip-hop flar. His collection was completely cohesive and did not show diversity. But he used an inspiration and carried it through out the whole collection. He showed his diversity throughout the entire season, whereas the other 3 showed very little diversity and versatility during the season. I find it ironic that those 3 were all one notes, though in the finale Uli and Jefferey stepped out from their one note A LITTLE BIT, Laura stuck to her one note. And Michael, who has the most diverse estetic took one part of his estetic and stuck with that throughout the entire collection. So in my opinion, Michael has the highest taste level. All season designers get chastized by the judges when their desgins were not "sexy enough" for them, then Michael gives them sexy and gets railroaded for it. Sometimes I find the judges to be very contradicatory in their statements but I also understand that each challenge is looked at from a different angle for different reasons.
I think that Michael will go the fatherest out of all of them. I think he has the biggest appeal for women in their 20's and early 30's. And isnt that what Michael Kors is always screaming at the designers to appeal to? Any time that they design something that a person over 35 would wear they get yelled at for not being youthful enough. Which I personally think is BS, fashion is for everyone of all ages, not just the 20somethings but that is what he always harps on.
Personally, I would love for them to take Michael Kors off next year and put another regular designer in the judges box.
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 08:19 AM
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Okay, I just couldn't hold it in any longer. Jeffrey won????? If that's forward fashion stop the bus!!! PLEASE!!!! And what's up with going over budget, being told to remove some of his fashions (which he didn't---wigs???---come on!), losing receipts, and with the level of craftsmanship he was showing all during the show, I still suspect all that sewing wasn't done by him. How can one commit all these "sins" and still win???
I was rooting for Laura, whom I thought had THE most cohesive collection. Yes, it was all evening wear, but WHAT EVENING WEAR IT WAS!!! Michael Kors said it all when he said she made $8K look like $30K. Now, isn't that what you'd want??? To look like a million bucks for a few thousand???
Will I watch next season?? I don't know. Right now I'm inclined to skip it. I think the show needs to stop focusing on petty b*tchyness and give us MORE fashion. I want to know HOW the designers come up with their fashion design; I want to SEE them in the process of struggling to "making it work." I could give a care if John hates [expletive deleted] who loves Harry. Please----enough!!!
Jeffrey won!! Where's my drink???
hehe I like you! nice post
oscarsimon
October 20, 2006 - 08:19 AM
Jeffrey - - designed for His world. The world he lives and breathes in and is connected to in SOCA.
Fashion - innovation - - - - is not about what is the prettiest or most classic. It is about having vision and bringing that to fruition within your nucleus.
Although Laura's designs and execution were incredible - - she was not able to "stretch" her concept to show she had a creative future.
Same with Uli - - although her designs are beautiful - - they never left the "box" of similarity.
While Jeffrey - - even if you don't like his particular style - - was able to show his reach and creative future.
That is what the professionals saw and judged accordingly.
katiebegood
October 20, 2006 - 08:27 AM
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With Jeffrey winning Project Runway 3, that will be the end of my watching any future renditions of the show. I don't know how he made it to the end, let alone how he won. His designs just weren't that great. Besides that, I don't understand how the show could reward such a harsh, rude, and cruel individual. I'm completely flabbergasted and disgusted. I would have been happy with any of the other three, who proved themselves time and time again. Here's one fan that won't be returning to the show. It’s too bad really. I really like the show but to watch it for so long and see someone like Jeffrey win in the end, really gets my goat.
His Everyday Woman challenge was horrible. I don't think he was better than Robert's.
His Recycle challenge looked like some Superhero comic book charachter.
His first challenge with the flying feathers was horrible with that long in the front dress.
This man should have been auf'd long ago. But apparantly he has his fans out there. I wonder how much of them like him for his designs and skills or just his psuedo-iconoclastic lifestyle. I can see him appealing to the "Jim Jones' crowd.
This reminded me so much of Jay winning the first season. I loved Jay, but his designs were horrible. And, he didn't win one challenge. I had no idea how he even got to the final three much less won. I'm fairly sure this show is not about fashion. It's more about the interactions between the show's participants. That's what "reality TV" is all about. I think that they intentionally look for one or two abrasive personalities to inject in every show. It's too bad the show can't be "real" rather than "reality". I think people would be more than happy to watch without all the drama they inject into the show.
This was my first season, and I am totally disappointed. But I will watch next season to see if they get the hint. Hopefully the producers read this blog and see what the public thinks.
oscarsimon
October 20, 2006 - 08:32 AM
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Keith broke the rules and was kicked off the show. Jeffrey broke the rules and won. Not fair. Who cares if his collection was complete if he cheated?
Innocent until proven guilty. Jeffrey has never been proven guilty and probably never will be. And actually I hope he is not. His family were so thrilled for him, I would not wish such pain on anyone.
Yes - - lets be happy for Jeffrey and his family - - they do make a cute and happy grouping.
Enough with the "he cheated". It is not OUR decision - - the producers evaluated and investigated what ever it is they decided needed to be looked at and made their FINAL decision.
It is Done - - Over - - Fini. Rag Haggling on this for days on end - - will change nothing.
What is that saying: "Change what you can - - everything else goes to the shredder".
TishTheFish
October 20, 2006 - 08:47 AM
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Katie I dislike Jeffrey because to start with I was a huge Angela fan, and Laura fan next. He terrorized Angela and her mother, and then he and his apologists smeared them and called her mother "passive agressive" (which most any female might be called as we generally are not confrontational).
I agree that he didn't handle Angela's mother well but she seemed to be part of the problem. Why complain to others and not mention her dislike of the dress to Jeffrey till there was only four hours left? Jeffrey got stuck with Angela's mom who acted like a total dishrag around him. I think most of the designers would have snapped at her - doesn't make Jeffrey right in the situation but explains where he was mentally in the moment perhaps.
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October 20, 2006 - 09:02 AM
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With Jeffrey winning Project Runway 3, that will be the end of my watching any future renditions of the show. I don't know how he made it to the end, let alone how he won. His designs just weren't that great. Besides that, I don't understand how the show could reward such a harsh, rude, and cruel individual. I'm completely flabbergasted and disgusted. I would have been happy with any of the other three, who proved themselves time and time again. Here's one fan that won't be returning to the show. It’s too bad really. I really like the show but to watch it for so long and see someone like Jeffrey win in the end, really gets my goat.
His Everyday Woman challenge was horrible. I don't think he was better than Robert's.
His Recycle challenge looked like some Superhero comic book charachter.
His first challenge with the flying feathers was horrible with that long in the front dress.
This man should have been auf'd long ago. But apparantly he has his fans out there. I wonder how much of them like him for his designs and skills or just his psuedo-iconoclastic lifestyle. I can see him appealing to the "Jim Jones' crowd.
This reminded me so much of Jay winning the first season. I loved Jay, but his designs were horrible. And, he didn't win one challenge. I had no idea how he even got to the final three much less won. I'm fairly sure this show is not about fashion. It's more about the interactions between the show's participants. That's what "reality TV" is all about. I think that they intentionally look for one or two abrasive personalities to inject in every show. It's too bad the show can't be "real" rather than "reality". I think people would be more than happy to watch without all the drama they inject into the show.
This was my first season, and I am totally disappointed. But I will watch next season to see if they get the hint. Hopefully the producers read this blog and see what the public thinks.
That is ridiculous.
The professionals know what they are looking for - - even if it doesn't always come across in the editing.
IMO - - they have been right on each season. Even though I loved Santino - - I believe they made the right choice in Chloe. Chloe's collection was a surpise - - she went for the risk - - - where Santino picked the wrong time to show his softer side.
They made the right choice with Jay over Kara Saun. What the judges said was Jay's inspiration comes from some creative source within him - - as Kara's was influenced from outside of herself.
Same with Jeffrey - - he sees something on the streets - - but it is his inner creative soul that gives him the ability to bring it to life.
The judges looked for the one who created and stretched from some inner insight - - - within their own style.
Art is subjective - - so you can't look at the art per se.
Instead look at the dimensional abilities of future concepts - - within each style.
oscarsimon
October 20, 2006 - 09:18 AM
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Katie I dislike Jeffrey because to start with I was a huge Angela fan, and Laura fan next. He terrorized Angela and her mother, and then he and his apologists smeared them and called her mother "passive agressive" (which most any female might be called as we generally are not confrontational).
I agree that he didn't handle Angela's mother well but she seemed to be part of the problem. Why complain to others and not mention her dislike of the dress to Jeffrey till there was only four hours left? Jeffrey got stuck with Angela's mom who acted like a total dishrag around him. I think most of the designers would have snapped at her - doesn't make Jeffrey right in the situation but explains where he was mentally in the moment perhaps.
I think Jeffrey is a very passionate person and even more passionate about his designs.
He kind of shot himself in the foot with this challenge - - by having a defeatest attitude from the beginning. In his own passionate creative mind - - he flat out did not want to see any of his creations on this woman. As I recall - that is pretty much what he actually vocalized.
As much as I kind of liked Angela's quirky fashion sense - - - I can not stand whiners - - she is/was - - and mother like daughter.
The paring of these 2 was just wrong from the beginning - - in every way. I'm pretty sure the judges realized that.
But - as the judges have done since PR1 - - they look at the overall work-presentation of each contestant and judge accordingly.
Jeffrey is not the only contestant to benefit from the judges believing he has more to offer - - and keeping him in the game.
So I will not point the finger at Jeffrey that he should have been auf'd in this challenge.
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October 20, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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After watching the runway show, I thought for sure that Jeffrey should have won. Why can't you people put aside your dislike for his personality to see that he really did have the best, cohesive collection? I didn't care for him personally either, but...
I can't stand his clothes, no matter what his personality is...Uli clearly should have won.
No she shouldn't have.
The right person won.
Yes she should have. The wrong person won. (your turn)
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 09:19 AM
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Katie I dislike Jeffrey because to start with I was a huge Angela fan, and Laura fan next. He terrorized Angela and her mother, and then he and his apologists smeared them and called her mother "passive agressive" (which most any female might be called as we generally are not confrontational).
I agree that he didn't handle Angela's mother well but she seemed to be part of the problem. Why complain to others and not mention her dislike of the dress to Jeffrey till there was only four hours left? Jeffrey got stuck with Angela's mom who acted like a total dishrag around him. I think most of the designers would have snapped at her - doesn't make Jeffrey right in the situation but explains where he was mentally in the moment perhaps.
Jeffrey lied about that. There were not 4 hours left.
This was a one day challenge, and in his podcast, Tim says that they would have until 1 am to finish their clothes. At 11 they went to tavern on the green for lunch, and then stopped at Mood, and then arrived back at about 1 pm or so.
It was at this time that Tim started checking on everyone.
Darlene was ALONE and Tim asked her opinion about the fabric and she told him. All she said was that these colors were not what she liked (and she had already told Jeffrey she did not like lighter colors).
Jeffrey came back and this was at the latest 3 pm. This gave him at the least 9 hours or possibly 10 hours to finish.
He didnt have to include the perriwinkle blue and all would have been ok. He instead chose to assassinate the woman verbally. Darlene may have been whiny, but she couldnt hold a candle to Jeffrey who did nothing but whine for the entire 15 episodes.
Does this mean that Darlene is perfect? Ummm no. But I am just not going to rewrite history to make an old lady into the agressor here just to place the Jeffrey crowd.
SimpleBear
October 20, 2006 - 09:23 AM
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I have been a faithful watcher of PR since it began. After Jeffery's winning this season, I will no longer watch it. There were too many questions in my mind regarding Jeffery. First, he is too hard edged and hard rock for me and most people. My phone was ringing off the hook from my friends who also watched and couldn't believe the outcome. We all thought Uli would win with Micheal a close second. Laura's dresses were beautiful but they were all evening dresses. How the hell did Jeffrey win the Travel Outfit challenge? I thought he looked more rock star and ridiculous than Kane. I'm with Laura. I think he had outside help. That receipt was never verified or found. But, even with outside help, I thought his collection sucked. I'm now questioning the judges. How much influence do the producers have? Maybe it's too much. This is the last season my television will be tuned to BRAVO for Project Runway. You just lost a loyal viewer.
I have a lot of problems with this whole "it's too rock and roll" viewpoint. Where and when did you grow up? Rock is the soundtrack to people's lives in this time (most people could not point out a classical piece's name or composer but everyone can tell you the differance between, say, Chuck Berry and The Boss) and to say that it is far out and unfathomable is a load of horse feathers. This is the way we think and feel at the beginning of this century.
As for the "everyday woman" challenge and Jeff making Angela's mom cry? I don't want to see a woman cry (who does?) but the fact is this show is in it's third season, the lady in question has a daughter competing (mothers and daughters do talk), and she waited till the 11th hour to tell her designer she hated his dress. Now, come on folks, she had to know that this was not something she wanted to wear before that. I don't think she wanted to sabotage Jeff. I just thought she was too passive in the moment.
Let's talk about Laura telling her feelings about her doubts that Jeff made his whole collection. Do you think if Jeff had made a bad collection she would have said a word? I don't think so. She saw the collection and thought it was tough for her to overcome so she reached for that card. Jeff was gracious enough to point out that it may have been her inexperiance talking and the one person who had shown a collection before (Uli) seemed to have no problem with it. It was the two people who were new to showing who raised a commotion.
Lastly, I thought Uli made a very good collection. I loved a lot of it though, like the judges, I did not think it was all that cohesive. Michael is a very nice young man but he's young and in desperate need of an editor. He will be really impressive in a couple of years but not now. I am in awe of Laura's construction abilities but her way of "pumping up the volume" with fur and feathers was way off base, and I still think it's just way too vintage. Jeff made a wonderful and cohesive collection. He deserved the win.
That's it.
mchris65
October 20, 2006 - 09:27 AM
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Look, I'm no Jeffrey fan, but there's always the chance she's the one who doesn't want to get married.
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October 20, 2006 - 09:35 AM
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This feels so much like Season 2 when this board was filled with Chloe bashing. Now it's Jeffrey's turn.
Jeffrey can't hold a candle to Chloe.
If Heidi Klum said that I would believe it, from you I don't.
Heidi is in a position to know, you are not.
I really don't think that Heidi is all that. She's just a model who knows how to market herself.
Her voice is so shrill...."Helloo everybodeeeee!" Models should remain silent.
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October 20, 2006 - 09:37 AM
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I just registered here to vent, I'm so pissed off.
1. I can't believe that that arrogant, rude, no talent little [expletive deleted] Jeffrey won. He also gives "sobriety" a bad name. I didn't see anything even close to "sober" in his behavior.
Agreed. He talks about being grateful, living on borrowed time, etc. but acts quite the opposite.
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 09:39 AM
Here is a fabulous interview of the even more fabulous Tim Gunn about Our Favorite Quartet
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/en...it_he.html#moreClearly he does worship at the Alter of Fern Mallis (who, btw, also is in charge of the fashion week showings in Paris and Milan)
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October 20, 2006 - 09:39 AM
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I really don't understand the judges. Jeffrey's stuff made even rail thin models look fat! What normal woman would want to wear that stuff? They also said they didn't like his two blue dresses so they didn't even like his entire collection. Heidi says all of Laura's is stunning and looks like a $30,000 collection. She also says she would wear everything Uli made and Nina says Uli's stuff is great and will sell for sure. So why vote for the really strange looking stuff almost no one will wear? Do they only consider it fashion if it looks weird? Or do the editors cut out so much stuff that we get every comment out of context?
They said - they didn't think the 2 blue dress were cohesive with the collection.
They did not say they did not like the dresses.
Actually they said they were horrible dresses. At least Fern Mallis did, and she has ten times more credence in the fashion industry than Heidi or Nina.
Amen! Too bad they didn't listen to Fern when it came to choosing the winner.
Exactly. I think it's important to hear from someone with an objective opinion, someone with no emotional investment in the designers. Gee they really listened to her when she said everyone was asking for Uli. <@@>
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October 20, 2006 - 09:41 AM
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Right on, Gojeff! The people here should check out the European fashion scene and for that matter, check out the REAL American fashion shows. Jeff fits right in. Also you really must see his collection in person as it really is spectacular. His Cosa Nostra line is wonderful and to see it worn is something else. A fashion show is also a time for innovation and experimentation...check out Galliano or any even Karl Lagerfeld.
This was a reality show and you got reality.
Yep, and reality bites.
oscarsimon
October 20, 2006 - 09:41 AM
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Katie I dislike Jeffrey because to start with I was a huge Angela fan, and Laura fan next. He terrorized Angela and her mother, and then he and his apologists smeared them and called her mother "passive agressive" (which most any female might be called as we generally are not confrontational).
I agree that he didn't handle Angela's mother well but she seemed to be part of the problem. Why complain to others and not mention her dislike of the dress to Jeffrey till there was only four hours left? Jeffrey got stuck with Angela's mom who acted like a total dishrag around him. I think most of the designers would have snapped at her - doesn't make Jeffrey right in the situation but explains where he was mentally in the moment perhaps.
Jeffrey lied about that. There were not 4 hours left.
This was a one day challenge, and in his podcast, Tim says that they would have until 1 am to finish their clothes. At 11 they went to tavern on the green for lunch, and then stopped at Mood, and then arrived back at about 1 pm or so.
It was at this time that Tim started checking on everyone.
Darlene was ALONE and Tim asked her opinion about the fabric and she told him. All she said was that these colors were not what she liked (and she had already told Jeffrey she did not like lighter colors).
Jeffrey came back and this was at the latest 3 pm. This gave him at the least 9 hours or possibly 10 hours to finish.
He didnt have to include the perriwinkle blue and all would have been ok. He instead chose to assassinate the woman verbally. Darlene may have been whiny, but she couldnt hold a candle to Jeffrey who did nothing but whine for the entire 15 episodes.
Does this mean that Darlene is perfect? Ummm no. But I am just not going to rewrite history to make an old lady into the agressor here just to place the Jeffrey crowd.
Art and Passion - - - have always come "Hand in Hand".
Do you want a fabulous creation - - or do you want someone to kiss your arse?
IMO - - - the worse debacle for fashion on this show is Michael winning popular choice.
It should be about creative design - - - not a popularity contest.
julz
October 20, 2006 - 09:45 AM
My computer is too slow to look through all 100+ pages of posts, so I'm sorry if this has been asked already.
I really really really want to know what songs were played during the runway shows. Particularly Michael's song. It's been stuck in my head since Wednesday!
Also, don't you guys think that the judgement should be cumulative? Uli did the same thing the whole season. Even if she had the best show, cumulatively she was not the best.
If anyone knows the songs or a page that tells what was played I'll be forever in debt to you!
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October 20, 2006 - 09:45 AM
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Katie I dislike Jeffrey because to start with I was a huge Angela fan, and Laura fan next. He terrorized Angela and her mother, and then he and his apologists smeared them and called her mother "passive agressive" (which most any female might be called as we generally are not confrontational).
I agree that he didn't handle Angela's mother well but she seemed to be part of the problem. Why complain to others and not mention her dislike of the dress to Jeffrey till there was only four hours left? Jeffrey got stuck with Angela's mom who acted like a total dishrag around him. I think most of the designers would have snapped at her - doesn't make Jeffrey right in the situation but explains where he was mentally in the moment perhaps.
Jeffrey lied about that. There were not 4 hours left.
This was a one day challenge, and in his podcast, Tim says that they would have until 1 am to finish their clothes. At 11 they went to tavern on the green for lunch, and then stopped at Mood, and then arrived back at about 1 pm or so.
It was at this time that Tim started checking on everyone.
Darlene was ALONE and Tim asked her opinion about the fabric and she told him. All she said was that these colors were not what she liked (and she had already told Jeffrey she did not like lighter colors).
Jeffrey came back and this was at the latest 3 pm. This gave him at the least 9 hours or possibly 10 hours to finish.
He didnt have to include the perriwinkle blue and all would have been ok. He instead chose to assassinate the woman verbally. Darlene may have been whiny, but she couldnt hold a candle to Jeffrey who did nothing but whine for the entire 15 episodes.
Does this mean that Darlene is perfect? Ummm no. But I am just not going to rewrite history to make an old lady into the agressor here just to place the Jeffrey crowd.
Art and Passion - - - have always come "Hand in Hand".
Do you want a fabulous creation - - or do you want someone to kiss your arse?
IMO - - - the worse debacle for fashion on this show is Michael winning popular choice.
It should be about creative design - - - not a popularity contest.
Oscar I agree.
I am open minded enough to laud Jeffrey's talents. But I did not think his collection was the best one. It is as you say, a non issue now because he won, and I am happy for him and wish him no ill.
That said, I am also allowed to dislike him for his behavior which I found boorish and stupid in the extreme. This is just my reaction to the way he was edited and chose to present himself, and to things he said and did.
As you say, it has no bearing on anything now, and I am frankly not one of those who is complaining he did not merit the win. I am also tired of saying that I thought Laura or Uli should have won, because everyone knows my attitude, and after a certain point, it becomes redundant and I start looking like a sore loser
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October 20, 2006 - 09:48 AM
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I really don't understand the judges. Jeffrey's stuff made even rail thin models look fat! What normal woman would want to wear that stuff? They also said they didn't like his two blue dresses so they didn't even like his entire collection. Heidi says all of Laura's is stunning and looks like a $30,000 collection. She also says she would wear everything Uli made and Nina says Uli's stuff is great and will sell for sure. So why vote for the really strange looking stuff almost no one will wear? Do they only consider it fashion if it looks weird? Or do the editors cut out so much stuff that we get every comment out of context?
They said - they didn't think the 2 blue dress were cohesive with the collection.
They did not say they did not like the dresses.
Actually they said they were horrible dresses. At least Fern Mallis did, and she has ten times more credence in the fashion industry than Heidi or Nina.
Amen! Too bad they didn't listen to Fern when it came to choosing the winner.
Exactly. I think it's important to hear from someone with an objective opinion, someone with no emotional investment in the designers. Gee they really listened to her when she said everyone was asking for Uli. <@@>
GO WATCH IT AGAIN!
Listen to what was actually said - - - not what you want to interject what you think was said.
mchris65
October 20, 2006 - 09:52 AM
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That was a tad much!
cofeel
October 20, 2006 - 09:59 AM
I have watched every moment of Project Runway - but no more....
Jeffrey's clothes are UGLY - Why would someone be given money to start a clothes line that weill never sell! - I don't get it - the judges, producers did him NO FAVOR at all
mchris65
October 20, 2006 - 10:05 AM
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I just want to know if it bothers anyone else that Michael Kors wears the same, boring outfit on every single episode!! He always talks about being so innovative but he wears a black blazer, black t-shirt, and jeans every week! And the clothes he sells are not too exciting.
I would be very happy if he was eliminated as a judge. He looks like he's always sniffing something awful.
mchris65
October 20, 2006 - 10:11 AM
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I really don't understand the judges. Jeffrey's stuff made even rail thin models look fat! What normal woman would want to wear that stuff? They also said they didn't like his two blue dresses so they didn't even like his entire collection. Heidi says all of Laura's is stunning and looks like a $30,000 collection. She also says she would wear everything Uli made and Nina says Uli's stuff is great and will sell for sure. So why vote for the really strange looking stuff almost no one will wear? Do they only consider it fashion if it looks weird? Or do the editors cut out so much stuff that we get every comment out of context?
They said - they didn't think the 2 blue dress were cohesive with the collection.
They did not say they did not like the dresses.
Actually they said they were horrible dresses. At least Fern Mallis did, and she has ten times more credence in the fashion industry than Heidi or Nina.
Amen! Too bad they didn't listen to Fern when it came to choosing the winner.
Exactly. I think it's important to hear from someone with an objective opinion, someone with no emotional investment in the designers. Gee they really listened to her when she said everyone was asking for Uli. <@@>
GO WATCH IT AGAIN!
Listen to what was actually said - - - not what you want to interject what you think was said.
I DID just watch it again (no need to yell) and see that I was wrong...it was Nina that said that....so what point are you trying to make?
whatacrock
October 20, 2006 - 10:12 AM
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So much uglyness and hate going on here. No one on these boards should be bringing in God or any other belief. Such hypocricy is mind blowing. You do not know the true person of who you bash so much. Only a sliver of what TV producers have betrayed them as. Artists come in all kinds of packages. Some may not be as pretty as you like but, when you open them up beautiful things can come out. and vice versa.
And as for Jeffery cheating: Any addict will tell you, if he did cheat his sobriety is over. The pain and guilt of it would be to much and using again is the only thing to make it better. He had more to lose in his life, than some silly TV show compatition. Not worth it in a million years. Like him or not there is no way he did it. And yes I am talking from experience.
Sooooo if he didn't cheat why did his mother say he had outside help??
Exactly!! I have no idea if he cheated or not I just have to say that he was in the best position to do so. He had an established business that he would have people that could have helped him on the down low. Plus if you pay any attention to the interviews how did he have time to make the pieces for his showroom and complete his whole line that he showed at Bryant Park. If you listen to Tim Gunn Jeffery had a lot of work that had to be done and not much time to do it. So it is very suspect that he could have had outside help. All I want to know is what is this TV show compatition that you speak of? Is Compatition a word?
cosmogirl_incal
October 20, 2006 - 10:12 AM
Saw this in The Dish for all of you who wanted to know the music.
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Readers want to know: What was the amazing music played during the designers’ Olympus Fashion Week runway presentations?
At first we thought, yeah! An easier question than “What were the judges thinking?” -- which we’ve been asked repeatedly since Wednesday night. But, as it turns out, the music is a bit of a mystery. Dish dug around and found out the following:
Jeffrey composed his own music, a song called "Swing.” Mike Coulter is the vocalist.
Sam Shaffer composed the music for Laura’s show.
Michael Knight’s song is called "Runaway,” the artist is still unknown. (If any readers of Bravotv.com know who wrote the track, let us know.)
And Uli is the only contestant who used musical assistance from “Project Runway.” She picked a title called “Doggy Fun” by Barefoot Music.
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October 20, 2006 - 10:12 AM
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Katie I dislike Jeffrey because to start with I was a huge Angela fan, and Laura fan next. He terrorized Angela and her mother, and then he and his apologists smeared them and called her mother "passive agressive" (which most any female might be called as we generally are not confrontational).
I agree that he didn't handle Angela's mother well but she seemed to be part of the problem. Why complain to others and not mention her dislike of the dress to Jeffrey till there was only four hours left? Jeffrey got stuck with Angela's mom who acted like a total dishrag around him. I think most of the designers would have snapped at her - doesn't make Jeffrey right in the situation but explains where he was mentally in the moment perhaps.
Jeffrey lied about that. There were not 4 hours left.
This was a one day challenge, and in his podcast, Tim says that they would have until 1 am to finish their clothes. At 11 they went to tavern on the green for lunch, and then stopped at Mood, and then arrived back at about 1 pm or so.
It was at this time that Tim started checking on everyone.
Darlene was ALONE and Tim asked her opinion about the fabric and she told him. All she said was that these colors were not what she liked (and she had already told Jeffrey she did not like lighter colors).
Jeffrey came back and this was at the latest 3 pm. This gave him at the least 9 hours or possibly 10 hours to finish.
He didnt have to include the perriwinkle blue and all would have been ok. He instead chose to assassinate the woman verbally. Darlene may have been whiny, but she couldnt hold a candle to Jeffrey who did nothing but whine for the entire 15 episodes.
Does this mean that Darlene is perfect? Ummm no. But I am just not going to rewrite history to make an old lady into the agressor here just to place the Jeffrey crowd.
Art and Passion - - - have always come "Hand in Hand".
Do you want a fabulous creation - - or do you want someone to kiss your arse?
IMO - - - the worse debacle for fashion on this show is Michael winning popular choice.
It should be about creative design - - - not a popularity contest.
Oscar I agree.
I am open minded enough to laud Jeffrey's talents. But I did not think his collection was the best one. It is as you say, a non issue now because he won, and I am happy for him and wish him no ill.
That said, I am also allowed to dislike him for his behavior which I found boorish and stupid in the extreme. This is just my reaction to the way he was edited and chose to present himself, and to things he said and did.
As you say, it has no bearing on anything now, and I am frankly not one of those who is complaining he did not merit the win. I am also tired of saying that I thought Laura or Uli should have won, because everyone knows my attitude, and after a certain point, it becomes redundant and I start looking like a sore loser
Thank you with respect.
I have to admit I like quirky fashion - - what can I say - - I'm an old hippie from the Santa Monica / Venice Beach CA area.
I do not excuse Jeffrey's behavior - - but do believe much of it was an act to be noticed (smart move if you ask me). I try hard to take editing and shove it somewhere . . . . However - the positives I noticed in Jeffrey was his softness of speech and his apparent work ethics. This is not a loud mouth Santino. This is a quiet - somewhat introverted - passionate - and sensitive man. Has he developed a "defense mechanism" of stay out of my Space?? Yeah - I think so.
He seemed to have an excellent work ethic (editing?) IMO - from what I could garner. He seemed to have his vision clear in his mind - knew what he needed as far as materials - and quietly went to work at his table. I will have to watch it again - - but seems to me when he spoke - - it was usually in response to someone speaking to him first. (re: vision - a creative person knows they don't always come out like you hoped).
Still - passion - creativity - sensitivity - emotion will always be a part of any true artist. Making that plus size dress was in his creative mind - - an insult. He "turned off". In his real world - - I doubt this scenario would ever be presented.
As far as who's clothes I would like for me at my present age and body type. That would be Uli's. Out of all the designs - - Uli is the only clothes I would buy.
However - - that is not an objective point of view as to who is the best designer.
The objective viewpoint would be: which designer showed - Range - Diversity - Use of Color and Textures - Creativity - Inspiration - Innovation - etc - - with in their own style.
The honest answer to that: Jeffrey
oscarsimon
October 20, 2006 - 10:21 AM
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GO WATCH IT AGAIN!
Listen to what was actually said - - - not what you want to interject what you think was said.
I DID just watch it again (no need to yell) and see that I was wrong...it was Nina that said that....so what point are you trying to make?
Sorry did not mean to yell - just didn't want small 2 line post to get lost in long thread.
No one said they did not like the 2 blue dresses - - actually I think they said they liked them - - they just didn't think they were cohesive in the story of the collection.
All of them said they hated the long dress that was open in front.
mchris65
October 20, 2006 - 10:26 AM
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GO WATCH IT AGAIN!
Listen to what was actually said - - - not what you want to interject what you think was said.
I DID just watch it again (no need to yell) and see that I was wrong...it was Nina that said that....so what point are you trying to make?
Sorry did not mean to yell - just didn't want small 2 line post to get lost in long thread.
No one said they did not like the 2 blue dresses - - actually I think they said they liked them - - they just didn't think they were cohesive in the story of the collection.
All of them said they hated the long dress that was open in front.
I never even mentioned the dresses...must be someone else you're responding to.
xactlyme
October 20, 2006 - 10:27 AM
let me preface anything else by stating this has been the best, most talented group of designers of all 3 seasons. no glaringly bad, well intentioned designers like in the 2 other seasons, this one was really full of talent.
that being said there sure were some a-holes involved (jeffrey) and the usual injected drama for effect. but this finale had the real talent (excluding kayne and angela but a 6 person finale would have been just silly) unlike last season where i was completely disappointed with the finalists.nothing innovative, just blah blah drab.
michael was quite a let down, i really expected more from him but hes young and eager and obviously open to listening so i dont think it will be long before hes a success in the field.
the 3 others did incredible collections, truly rich and beautiful and frankly they all deserved the win based on their final collections. it was just a matter of the judges.
i personally was rooting for uli as she really laid any doubt to rest that she could be versatile, yet she still kept her signature style.
off for now, heading to south beach to see if i can find uli's store!
julz
October 20, 2006 - 10:38 AM
COSMOGIRL_INCAL:
Thank you SO much!! That was very helpful
kjones
October 20, 2006 - 10:47 AM
GOD YOU GUYS ARE ALL SUCH BABIES. Waaaaah Jeffrey won and he is a [expletive deleted]. Do you guys think that Dolce and Gabbana are nice friendly people, or that Donnatella Versace doesn't think she is better than everyone. You think morals matter in the fashion industry? Hell have of the designers are making there clothing in sweat shops over in Africa. Get over it people. Jeff won. I think that a designer, model, and fashion editor know what to look for in terms of this stuff much more than you.
And those of you who claim to never watch thye show again, well you are worse then any of them. Grow up. Or not, because personally, I don't think Bravo really cares if you small group of children don't tune in anymore.
Everyone just needs to get off their high horses, quit personally attacking a man you do not know anything about other than the edited clips you've seen on tv, and jus tget over it.
PS. What is Uli's song. That is all I came here to find out and then my eyes get bombarded with you bunch of wankers.
kjones
October 20, 2006 - 10:49 AM
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Keith broke the rules and was kicked off the show. Jeffrey broke the rules and won. Not fair. Who cares if his collection was complete if he cheated?
how did he cheat? He went over budget on something that didn't involve his actual collection and then removed it before the show.
All this bitterness is so strange considering that it is just a TV SHOW.
pinkpenguin
October 20, 2006 - 10:51 AM
I am the viewer, the bread and butter of the show, the entire reason the show exists. I have every right to question what I want ,when I want, whenever and however I want. This is "reality" TV and if no one cared about it or had an opinion, there would be no ratings, no viewers and no message boards for us to write on, thankyouverymuch!
kjones
October 20, 2006 - 10:53 AM
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Saw this in The Dish for all of you who wanted to know the music.
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Readers want to know: What was the amazing music played during the designers’ Olympus Fashion Week runway presentations?
At first we thought, yeah! An easier question than “What were the judges thinking?” -- which we’ve been asked repeatedly since Wednesday night. But, as it turns out, the music is a bit of a mystery. Dish dug around and found out the following:
Jeffrey composed his own music, a song called "Swing.” Mike Coulter is the vocalist.
Sam Shaffer composed the music for Laura’s show.
Michael Knight’s song is called "Runaway,” the artist is still unknown. (If any readers of Bravotv.com know who wrote the track, let us know.)
And Uli is the only contestant who used musical assistance from “Project Runway.” She picked a title called “Doggy Fun” by Barefoot Music.
you are a goddess.
kjones
October 20, 2006 - 10:57 AM
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I am the viewer, the bread and butter of the show, the entire reason the show exists. I have every right to question what I want ,when I want, whenever and however I want. This is "reality" TV and if no one cared about it or had an opinion, there would be no ratings, no viewers and no message boards for us to write on, thankyouverymuch!
question away, but no one here knows this man well enough to insult his "sobriety" or family. It really makes me sick tht people here are dragging his realtionship with his partner into this. Anyone who does that is far worse than Jeff in my book.
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October 20, 2006 - 10:57 AM
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Jeffrey won
God's in his heaven, all's right with the world.
Who's your god, Satan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was great! Finally somebody around here has something funny and intelligent to say!
Dragonmiss
October 20, 2006 - 11:01 AM
Well, for that matter, Laura designer for HER world, Uli for HERS and Michael for HIS. So why is it OK for Jeff but not for them?
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October 20, 2006 - 11:06 AM
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This feels so much like Season 2 when this board was filled with Chloe bashing. Now it's Jeffrey's turn.
Jeffrey can't hold a candle to Chloe.
If Heidi Klum said that I would believe it, from you I don't.
Heidi is in a position to know, you are not.
FYI: Just because someone wears designer clothes doesn't mean they know a thing about design. It's called having a professional stylist-you don't really think Heidi Klum puts all her own outfits together, do you?!?
Tankthemoroncat
October 20, 2006 - 11:12 AM
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Well, for that matter, Laura designer for HER world, Uli for HERS and Michael for HIS. So why is it OK for Jeff but not for them?
It is fine for them to design for their world. They are great designers but they are not cutting edge and that is what PR wanted.
Uli did beautiful work mostly and she varied it some but not enough.
Michael could very well have won had he done more things like his own jetsetter outfit.
Laura went too conservative and too single-minded.
Jeffrey showed something my daughter might wear to what my mother might wear..... All with a new twist to something in some way.
spasticunderwear
October 20, 2006 - 11:13 AM
you people are aboslutely ridiculous. you've been in love with one designer and let editing and personalities clash over actual talent. Jefferey may not be the nicest guy on the planet, whether it be because of how the show was edited or if he actually is a jerk, but he makes excellent clothes even if you wouldn't wear them personally. Season 1, Jay's collection was well made, innovative, and he won- most people were happy about that even though i'm sure a lot of people wouldn't wear them. Jefferey's collection was terrific and he deserved to win. Yes, Michael is a good designer, but his collection was the worst and least cohesive out of all the seasons i'm afraid. Just because he didn't win doesn't mean you have to make false critisisms.
mchris65
October 20, 2006 - 11:38 AM
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GOD YOU GUYS ARE ALL SUCH BABIES. Waaaaah Jeffrey won and he is a [expletive deleted]. Do you guys think that Dolce and Gabbana are nice friendly people, or that Donnatella Versace doesn't think she is better than everyone. You think morals matter in the fashion industry? Hell have of the designers are making there clothing in sweat shops over in Africa. Get over it people. Jeff won. I think that a designer, model, and fashion editor know what to look for in terms of this stuff much more than you.
And those of you who claim to never watch thye show again, well you are worse then any of them. Grow up. Or not, because personally, I don't think Bravo really cares if you small group of children don't tune in anymore.
Everyone just needs to get off their high horses, quit personally attacking a man you do not know anything about other than the edited clips you've seen on tv, and jus tget over it.
PS. What is Uli's song. That is all I came here to find out and then my eyes get bombarded with you bunch of wankers.
Hey dummy, Uli's song was already posted.
oscarsimon
October 20, 2006 - 11:55 AM
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Well, for that matter, Laura designer for HER world, Uli for HERS and Michael for HIS. So why is it OK for Jeff but not for them?
You are missing the point. You might want to read the original post again.
tamarinden
October 20, 2006 - 11:56 AM
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GOD YOU GUYS ARE ALL SUCH BABIES. Waaaaah Jeffrey won and he is a [expletive deleted]. Do you guys think that Dolce and Gabbana are nice friendly people, or that Donnatella Versace doesn't think she is better than everyone. You think morals matter in the fashion industry? Hell have of the designers are making there clothing in sweat shops over in Africa. Get over it people. Jeff won. I think that a designer, model, and fashion editor know what to look for in terms of this stuff much more than you.
And those of you who claim to never watch thye show again, well you are worse then any of them. Grow up. Or not, because personally, I don't think Bravo really cares if you small group of children don't tune in anymore.
Everyone just needs to get off their high horses, quit personally attacking a man you do not know anything about other than the edited clips you've seen on tv, and jus tget over it.
PS. What is Uli's song. That is all I came here to find out and then my eyes get bombarded with you bunch of wankers.
LOL you are the wanker but I want to know Uli's song too it rocked!
kjones
October 20, 2006 - 12:01 PM
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GOD YOU GUYS ARE ALL SUCH BABIES. Waaaaah Jeffrey won and he is a [expletive deleted]. Do you guys think that Dolce and Gabbana are nice friendly people, or that Donnatella Versace doesn't think she is better than everyone. You think morals matter in the fashion industry? Hell have of the designers are making there clothing in sweat shops over in Africa. Get over it people. Jeff won. I think that a designer, model, and fashion editor know what to look for in terms of this stuff much more than you.
And those of you who claim to never watch thye show again, well you are worse then any of them. Grow up. Or not, because personally, I don't think Bravo really cares if you small group of children don't tune in anymore.
Everyone just needs to get off their high horses, quit personally attacking a man you do not know anything about other than the edited clips you've seen on tv, and jus tget over it.
PS. What is Uli's song. That is all I came here to find out and then my eyes get bombarded with you bunch of wankers.
LOL you are the wanker but I want to know Uli's song too it rocked!
oh really? I'm not the one who has dedicated a good few days of my life belittling someone who neither knows nor cares that I exist.
it must be lonely.
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