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IronChef
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. . . . . let the "One Up" games continue - - - without me.




Thank God! This "Crawford v. Swanson" fued has lost its shine, so frankly I'm glad to see the gloves back on their hooks. Let's hope they stay there.

"Tina ... bring me the axe ..." (Faye Dunaway, "Mommie Dearest" 1981)

Lia
dcben1
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I love the judges, but they are human like everyone else. I remember when poor misguided Bradley was completely stuck for the dog challenge and ended up putting out a wrinkled poorly made bubble blouse and cheap looking skirt he made in less than an hour and Nina was just all over that dress "Oh I can see photographing that for Elle" LOL That in a nutshell is what is wrong with the fashion industry, IMO.






Rather than twisting your words or putting words in your mouth, what exactly in your opinion is wrong with the fashion industry ?

Saying that something is wrong with the fashion industry because one fashion editor could imagine seeing a "plain" outfit photographed for her magazine seems a bit extreme.

I could possibly see your point if Nina actually put Bradley's outfit in the magazine. But condemning her for saying she could see photographing something for ELLE versus actually having something photographed and published for ELLE seems very harsh indeed.





And where did I use the word condemn? I started out by saying that "I love the judges" please tell me where declaring you love someone is tantamount to condemnation? Take a chill pill and if you want a polite conversation come back sometime and we will talk.





Dang tam, someone forgot to remove the target from your back. Also think some have forgotten the show ended almost 3 weeks ago. Seems like your every word gets twisted and when you try to defend yourself, the bandwagon fills up. Take it as a compliment kiddo,

brillke




Just stopped by to see how the boards were doing. As usual there are trolls among the sane posters. All of this vitriol sound like the TV ads In Massachusetts for elections! Do they feel better when they say something negative?

I had no problem with the original post. It was an opinion, not a prounouncement from GOD! Perhaps the poster should have said that Nina's reaction is a symptom of what is wrong with the fashion industry and the arts in general.

In the 20th c. the goal in music and art was to break all of the rules, so "deconstruction" became the rule of the day. Music became harsher sounding , and art was all about throwing paint on a canvas. 100 years later we are still in the "modern" or "contemporary" period in art, and there is still distain for artists who choose to create something beautiful, as opposed to harsh and deconstructed. This is one reason which neither Laura nor Uli won PR.
IMO Jeffrey's designs come from an aesthetic I don't care for - the deconstruction, and the breaking and stretching of fashion rules. Nina going ga-ga over a wrinkled gold blouse which was thrown together at the last second was just ridiculous! Jackson Pollack is interesting, but there is an elephant at one of the national zoos who does the same thing!, and his "art" brings in big bucks.

Anyone here know "Sunday in the Park with George"?(Loosely based on the life and works of George Seurat). Love, love, love Sondheim's music! The story is an allegory for all art. You may start out with honorable intentions, but when you push the envelope for the sake of doing that, sometimes you end up with more flash and trash than real substance. The George in the second act has lost his way and is encouraged to step back and find his roots and real aesthetic. Perhaps this is what the original poster was saying. True, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and "chacun a son gout", but maybe fashion needs to take a look at where the deconstruction is going, and maybe accept that beautifully designed clothes have a definite place. This is not to say that pushing the envelope is inherently bad, but in the end the product needs to be appealing( and in fashion, wearable).

NOt sure if this completely makes sense: I'm sick and tired(literally) - been fighting the same or similar bug for a month now. But here are my 2 cents.
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Oh and the other online phenomenon is really sick
I have read over and over again (and not just on this board) how many of you with huge amounts of posts actually think it gives you some kind of status.That is truly sick.How many times have I read
"Oh they are just a first time poster"
As if
because they don't have thousands of posts
pffft they can't be taken seriously or don't have any validity here.
Those poor delusional newbies.
How dare they have opinions when we have put our blood sweat and tears into this site posting constantly and fighting the good fight?

We own this board because we spend endless hours here pontificating our special brand of points of view on everything. Not just PR.

Socrates incarnate you all are.

Having a thousand posts only means one thing.

You just can't shut up and obviously don't have much of a life. This board does not define you but sad that so many think it does.

Now come on. Pontificate. Fight back. Let me have it.

Do what you do best and maybe you'll have 2,000 posts before years end. Oh no - wait
Before tonight's end.Then you will look at how many posts you have racked up and realize just how important you really are.

Sad!











Decaf.


brillke




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tamarinden
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. . . . . let the "One Up" games continue - - - without me.




Thank God! This "Crawford v. Swanson" fued has lost its shine, so frankly I'm glad to see the gloves back on their hooks. Let's hope they stay there.

"Tina ... bring me the axe ..." (Faye Dunaway, "Mommie Dearest" 1981)

Lia




LOL I love that movie! Although I am a big Joan Crawford fan For me of course there can be only two. Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn Honorable mention to J Crawford, B Stanwyck, Josette D, and the rest Vive les 30!
oscarsimon
Vendetta? Oh please - grow up.

Apparently it is OK for Tam to go - Laura! Laura! Laura! - - and shove Laura down everyone's throat - - while on the left hand puts Jeffrey down.

Jeffrey won - - and Rungay agreed within the criteria of the rules of the show.

I was just playing. I knew Tam would post about her Laura - - - omit the positive said about Jeffrey - - but post the negative.

Don't point your little French finger at me and call me "selective".

Little groupie cliques on forums are annoying.
IronChef
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Vendetta? Oh please - grow up.

Apparently it is OK for Tam to go - Laura! Laura! Laura! - - and shove Laura down everyone's throat - - while on the left hand puts Jeffrey down.

Jeffrey won - - and Rungay agreed within the criteria of the rules of the show.

I was just playing. I knew Tam would post about her Laura - - - omit the positive said about Jeffrey - - but post the negative.

Don't point your little French finger at me and call me "selective".

Little groupie cliques on forums are annoying.






I'm not a part of any "groupie clique," so please don't label me as such. I've read both your posts and Tamarinden's, and I have no desire to choose a side based on either's passionate views, but if you want to play the part of the "martyr" in this season's creche, feel free.

"Laura, Laura, Laura!" "Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey!" I don't give a rat's round rump who won or lost anymore, because the two of you have made it darn near impossible to get beyond the fued to see the forest for the trees and actually enjoy this forum.

Jeffrey won the competition. Nothing anyone can do is going to change that, so can we all just forget about petty personal tiffs and move on? You weren't just "playing," Oscarsimon, that's amply evident, or you would have let things die down a long time ago, so please don't pretend it's been "playtime" when it's really been a warzone to the rest of us here.

The season's over. Let it rest in peace, already. That'll happen even quicker if you grow up too like you've suggested others do.

Just an opinion from the sandbox. Call it "selective" if you will, but that wasn't the intent.

Lia
IronChef
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Don't point your little French finger at me and call me "selective".




Oh, and just a wondering PS--what does being "French" have to do with being "selective," for that matter? Prejudge much?

Lia
Mel2006
I have no idea why people must bicker over one's feelings.

So, in lieu of that statement, I will put my 2 cents in:

Jeffrey: Yup, I loved his designs. I am not in my 20's, 30's, 40's, and am soon leaving my 50's. I am an "artsy person," and I can definitely see myself wearing a lot of his clothing.


Laura: Yes, she's a wonderful seamstress. I know quite a few. As far as designing clothes, this is my take: For younger people, she is not sexy enough. For older women, she should cover up the arms more, show less boob coverage, and show more leg. Is she full of glamour? Well, it all depends upon one's idea of glamour vs. class. Women of class, the one's I know, do not spew potty words nor "tattle." I don't care if it is a competition. One's work speaks for itself. There is a great difference between sewing a garment and designing a garment. Her reason for being on PR, as she had stated, was for people to know someone on TV, and since she lives close to Parson's, she tried out. Remember Tiffini from TC? Her reason for the big win was to pay off her debts and travel. Whereas, Jeffrey, Uli and Michael needed the win to further their careers.


Michael or Mychael...or whatever name he chose today, didn't belong at Bryant Park IMHO. It was so obvious that he couldn't design without TG mentoring him. I don't understand why people EVER expected him to win nor why he won the "fan favorite." I thought his words were quite demeaning to women on the show.


Uli: Her clothing designs were very nice...but is she a creative designer; the next American great, unique designer? Nope.
I feel Uli should design clothes for the Everyday Women. She did a fab job for Kayne's Mom. I wonder what would have happened if she used ALL size 14 models and didn't tell PR.

I saw her blue dress in Elle. Isn't it amazing how the model's eyes were completely made over so not one puff under her eye was showing? All the young people that read this should take notice that model's are not the "perfect girls" one imagines.
People in the ad business can change the color of eyes, make their legs appear longer, remove blemishes and any imperfections. There is no such thing as perfect. The trick: Love yourself just the way you are. Anyway, I didn't even like the dress that Nazri <?> even wore. Jeffrey's was my pick....plus his photo was absolutely marvelous.

Okay, that's my feelings on the designer's. Gee, it's the first time I agreed with the judges! I always loved Austin and Santino for the other season's.

To BRAVO: PLEASE give Heidi some beautiful clothing to wear if there's a next season! If a lovely woman as Heidi can't pull off an outfit....it stinks!

Bye everyone~~
chickadee
Just a final note of thank you praise for notevayas for once again posting such wonderful interesting interviews that I for one would have totally missed if not for their being posted here. This sort of thing is what I read these boards for. So thanks again Notev.
Keep up the good work in the coming seasons!
blessings--
dcben1
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. . . . . let the "One Up" games continue - - - without me.




Thank God! This "Crawford v. Swanson" fued has lost its shine, so frankly I'm glad to see the gloves back on their hooks. Let's hope they stay there.

"Tina ... bring me the axe ..." (Faye Dunaway, "Mommie Dearest" 1981)

Lia




LOL I love that movie! Although I am a big Joan Crawford fan For me of course there can be only two. Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn Honorable mention to J Crawford, B Stanwyck, Josette D, and the rest Vive les 30!




Katherine Hepburn has always been my hero! Did anyone catch the [expletive deleted] Cavett interviews on TCM. Fabulous.
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. . . . . let the "One Up" games continue - - - without me.




Thank God! This "Crawford v. Swanson" fued has lost its shine, so frankly I'm glad to see the gloves back on their hooks. Let's hope they stay there.

"Tina ... bring me the axe ..." (Faye Dunaway, "Mommie Dearest" 1981)

Lia




LOL I love that movie! Although I am a big Joan Crawford fan For me of course there can be only two. Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn Honorable mention to J Crawford, B Stanwyck, Josette D, and the rest Vive les 30!




Katherine Hepburn has always been my hero! Did anyone catch the [expletive deleted] Cavett interviews on TCM. Fabulous.




Love Kate! I think my favorite Hepburn movies are Holiday and The Lion In Winter.

Wow. For the curious, I am not a "newbie." I am a poster from the beginning but I got burned out on last year's boards from drama. So glad it had changed! Oy! I came back for the heck of it and new people are playing mental ping pong again--on the internet. It's THE INTERNET people.

Hi Notevayas! :::waves::: cool posts.

For what it is worth....

Michael's collection was rushed and uninspired. He had nothing to show Tim Gunn and he had worked on it for a month. He had all of those harsh whites (and some on washed out blondes) and then--bam!--shocking colors one right after another in short short dresses. Then those tight hot pants. All of those lace up fronts. They were not flattering. It was also a bit insulting to women. He needs to mature period. That gown was the busiest thing I have ever seen since the 70s. Michael you are a super nice person testament from the people who voted for you here (don't hurt me people for being critical). At least he attempted to do a complete collection. He fell flat by being to repetitive in his designs--two swim suits, several similar dresses, all of those white outfits....

Uli's collection was really amazing but she needed to mix up the fabrics more and the prints were the same draping over and over. But the design of the solids were so innovative. It would have been interesting to see some prints mixed with some solids. I think it was very fresh the way she used the silhouettes. Her pattern making was so creative. And she did do an entire collection with separates to casual sportswear to evening.

Laura just needed to do one swim suit and she would have knocked them off their chairs. I thought that camel cashmere she began with was smashing. It was modestly beaded. That was out of character for her. Her dresses were all kind of out of character for her. I thought each one was different and she showed tremendous range. But she wasn't as innovative with her pattern making as Uli. And she didn't show separates to sportswear. But what she did show was spectacular. The beading and movement. It was couture for me. Uli was ready-to-wear by comparison.

Jeffrey rocked my world. Ok. Many of you hated him because he was so obnoxious during the season. I get that. But the minute his music began I was hypnotized. The music fit the clothes that fit the models (except the blue pieces which I will get to). His clothes were so inspired. As Robin Givan said in her review, the others made pretty clothes, but Jeffrey made fashion. I.e., he created a new look, a new style that no one had ever seen before. He created a trend. No one had used zippers as an accent before. He cut horizontal stripes partly on the bias. He mixes satin and denim and more zippers that you could zip or unzip. All of his fabrics mixed back in the collection. The chiffon over the polka dots. As Michael Kors said, he dresses his girl for every moment of her life. I could actually see that collection for a fashion doll as a complete wardrobe. Now the blue dresses....I actually think they were rather pretty. I think the models sucked. They both were too androgynous. And the one in the gown walked too fast and clunky and did not walk with the music. The others walked to the beat with a funk and attitude. And they had this punk rock kind of look to them that just fit. And then the music just kept building and building until the final dress came out on Marilinda and then they all walked. It was a show. Now just a bunch of pretty clothes on pretty girls strutting. It was a brilliantly choreographed show.

And, yes, Jeffrey Sebelia will be a name you will remember.

I think this was a pretty amazing season for project runway. Top notch designers. A very professional level finalé. No upholstery fabric evening wear (so why was Laura so limited if Chloe only showed the same stuff with really bad fabric and no elaborate beading) and no disappearing Jay. And I actually agreed with the judges decisions this season. And they had some pretty cool judges this season, too.
laura_delusional
Hee-hee! You got me GOOD! Some comments:

1) You may wish to look up the definition of "predicate". You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words. I am in no position to accomplish that. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are trying to say, or maybe English and sentence structure are not your strong suits?

2) You used "subconscious" in a sentence rather successfully! That STINGS! That freshman psych. course at community college really paid off!

3) You implied that I may subconsciously be saying "I am delusional" because I used the word in my username! That is FUNNY! You are a wit for the ages, kind person. You see, I thought that using the construct "laura-delusional" would leverage English syntax so as to quickly, simply (even childishly), and transparently announce my formerly-sole reason to post: to express my thoughts about Laura's mental state. In other words, I thought I would use "delusional" as part of my screen name in order to create a kind of simplistic label that would allow the quickly scanning reader to peruse the board without delving more deeply into my post, should it not be of some interest. Luckily, this username attracted you and your scathing eye, AND ONCE AGAIN, you helped me see the truth through your interpretative prowess!

4) Actually, my declaration of personal opinion about Laura in explicit terms (as exemplified by the handle "laura_delusional") would not be considered a very good example of being "passive-aggressive". It's rather fully aggressive. Passive-aggressivity would be better exemplified in a snide and sarcastic response to a posted reply such as yours.

5) Perhaps you believe you never judge others based on scant information or passing observations. If this is true, then congratulations you rarified thing, you! However, I would be remiss if I did not point out that the logic of attacking me and my opinions by judging me in the same manner that I have judged Laura-- the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is byzantine in its idiocy. Everyone's [censored] stinks, honey. Get some edu-ma-cation: sloppy thinking gets worse over time.
xoxoxo (now THAT is passive-aggressive!)
IronChef
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Hee-hee! You got me GOOD! Some comments:




Why, that's sarcasm you're using, isn't it?! Took me awhile to figure it out, because it wasn't really good, in-your-face sarcasm, but thank goodness the rest of your post was there to elaborate on that initially weak usage.

First off, you're responding to a post someone made 20 days and 3,229 posts ago. For future reference, it's considered a measure of etiquette, common courtesy and generally just plain "good form" to quote or somehow include at least the relevant, responded-to portion of someone else's post when replying to it, especially after so much time has passed. Otherwise those of us reading won't know what the eff you're on about. And that's not just on this board, that's true for most of 'em. Just so you know.

Fortunately I'm on vacation this week, and obviously have nothing better to do than track down such ridiculous statistics. Yay me!

Now, let's begin ...

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1) You may wish to look up the definition of "predicate". You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words. I am in no position to accomplish that. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are trying to say, or maybe English and sentence structure are not your strong suits?




Why would you tell Carole to not only look up the definition of "predicate," as if she used it incorrectly, but assert that her English and sentence structure might not be strong suits? "Predicate" was used absolutely correctly:

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pred‧i‧cate  /v. ˈprɛdɪˌkeɪt; adj., n. ˈprɛdɪkɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. pred-i-keyt; adj., n. pred-i-kit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -cat‧ed, -cat‧ing, adjective, noun

–verb (used with object) 1. to proclaim; declare; affirm; assert.
2. Logic. a. to affirm or assert (something) of the subject of a proposition.
b. to make (a term) the predicate of such a proposition.

3. to connote; imply: His retraction predicates a change of attitude.
4. to found or derive (a statement, action, etc.); base (usually fol. by on): He predicated his behavior on his faith in humanity.
–verb (used without object) 5. to make an affirmation or assertion.
–adjective 6. predicated.
7. Grammar. belonging to the predicate: a predicate noun.
–noun 8. Grammar. (in many languages, as English) a syntactic unit that functions as one of the two main constituents of a simple sentence, the other being the subject, and that consists of a verb, which in English may agree with the subject in number, and of all the words governed by the verb or modifying it, the whole often expressing the action performed by or the state attributed to the subject, as is here in Larry is here.
9. Logic. that which is affirmed or denied concerning the subject of a proposition.

[Origin: 1400–50; (n.) late ME ( < MF predicat) < ML praedicātum, n. use of neut. of L praedicātus, ptp. of praedicāre to declare publicly, assert, equiv. to prae- pre- + dicā(re) to show, indicate, make known + -tus ptp. suffix; (v. and adj.) < L praedicātus; cf. preach]




So, why the big brass-off? Furthermore, you slipped this little gem between your sandwich-like attack of Carole's grasp-o-grammar:

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You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words.




What? Umm ... WHAT??? Are you trying to quantify "plain old" predication with direct predication? Sorry, but I don't see a difference there.

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2) You used "subconscious" in a sentence rather successfully! That STINGS! That freshman psych. course at community college really paid off!




Sarcasm? AGAIN?! By Grasshopper, you are starting to catch on! Congrats, too, on finally seeing the merit of taking that freshman psych course, and remember, there's no need to feel ashamed that you took the course in Comm Coll instead of in a more academically estasblished environment! Just keep telling yourself "I'm smart, I'm accomplished, and damnit!, people like me!"

Of course, using the word "subconscious" correctly in a sentence has little to do with psychology, but at least you're trying!

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3) You implied that I may subconsciously be saying "I am delusional" because I used the word in my username! That is FUNNY! You are a wit for the ages, kind person. You see, I thought that using the construct "laura-delusional" would leverage English syntax so as to quickly, simply (even childishly), and transparently announce my formerly-sole reason to post: to express my thoughts about Laura's mental state. In other words, I thought I would use "delusional" as part of my screen name in order to create a kind of simplistic label that would allow the quickly scanning reader to peruse the board without delving more deeply into my post, should it not be of some interest. Luckily, this username attracted you and your scathing eye, AND ONCE AGAIN, you helped me see the truth through your interpretative prowess!




Ok, here's the rub. I know that when you're first learning the usage and benefits of a little language vehicle like sarcasm, there's a tendency toward overuse. You learn it, you want to use it whenever you can, and I understand that tendency, but there's a caveat: sarcasm only "works" when it's used both sparingly and strategically. Overuse just looks desperate, and you're starting to tread that territory. I know that kind of discrimitory usage can only come with time, but ease up off the gas, already, Grasshopper!

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4) Actually, my declaration of personal opinion about Laura in explicit terms (as exemplified by the handle "laura_delusional") would not be considered a very good example of being "passive-aggressive". It's rather fully aggressive. Passive-aggressivity would be better exemplified in a snide and sarcastic response to a posted reply such as yours.




Actually, both your reply to Carole and your original post could be considered passive-aggressive. Neither post, although rife with vitriolic derision for Laura, was specifically directed at or addressed to Laura herself, therefore aggressive with regard to a specific target, while passive with regard to the actual subject.

Aggressive behavior, passive subject. Aggressive-passive, passive-aggressive. See how that works?

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5) Perhaps you believe you never judge others based on scant information or passing observations.




You mean the kinds of "passing observations" and "scant information" you've just used to form not only an opinion, but a personal attack? Sweetie, check this year's syllabus. Maybe Community College is offering "How to Play Well With Others" this semester. If it's there, take it. Trust me.

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If this is true, then congratulations you rarified thing, you!




:::sigh::: Again with the desperate use of sarcasm. Honey, it's really getting old, so either learn to use the gloves with care, or see that hook over there on the far wall and use it.

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However, I would be remiss if I did not point out that the logic of attacking me and my opinions by judging me in the same manner that I have judged Laura-- the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is byzantine in its idiocy.




Byzantine?? Oh, now you're referencing history, which was never my strong point in college (the non-community variety, BTW--sorry!). I suppose you're trying to point out, when you call it "Byzantine in idiocy," that Carole's challenge of your self-admitted "attack" and opinions was somehow ... what, "Old?" "Ancient?" "Antique? "Outdated?"

Byzantium--idiotic? Actually, Byzantium made some important and lasting contributions to economy, science, law, religion, art, architecture, literature, civil service, government and diplomacy.

Hmm, diplomacy. I guess now that you've marginally learned the lessons of "sarcasm," "diplomacy" might best be next on your personal syllabus.

Don't worry, you've got till next week to drop the class, and I won't hold it against you. I think our local Community College is offering a similar course in "The Merits of Communicative Misinterpretation," so ... well, just offering an alternative based on your exhibited strengths.

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Everyone's [censored] stinks, honey.




Glad you at least recognize that much, sugar, 'cause what you just wrote qualifies too. Damn, can someone please take out the trash?

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Get some edu-ma-cation: sloppy thinking gets worse over time.




Please provide parenthetical documentation of that assertion, 'cause I'd love to read it. "Sloppy thinking" might get worse over time, but it can be corrected. Narcissist thought coupled with Napoleonic passion lasts a lifetime, so I'd suggest you check into the nearest "island retreat"--it'll be labelled "Elba"--postehaste.

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xoxoxo (now THAT is passive-aggressive!)




Actually, that's not classically passive-aggressive, that's just plain "third-grade."

Learn the difference. Here endeth the lesson.

Lia
IronChef
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xoxoxo (now THAT is passive-aggressive!)




P.S. I'll look forward to your reply, laura_d, on or about ... :::checks calendar::: ... November 26th. You'll have an advantage then, in that I'll still be too OD'd on post-Thanksgiving dinner L-Tryptophane and repeated traditional watchings of "The Wizard of Oz," paired with the first watchings of both "It's A Wonderful Life" and "A Christmas Story" to give it much thought.

Good on you, and well-played if you can stick to those "oh-so-timely" guns. Just call "parlay," and maybe we can still talk.

Lia
tamarinden
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. . . . . let the "One Up" games continue - - - without me.




Thank God! This "Crawford v. Swanson" fued has lost its shine, so frankly I'm glad to see the gloves back on their hooks. Let's hope they stay there.

"Tina ... bring me the axe ..." (Faye Dunaway, "Mommie Dearest" 1981)

Lia




LOL I love that movie! Although I am a big Joan Crawford fan For me of course there can be only two. Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn Honorable mention to J Crawford, B Stanwyck, Josette D, and the rest Vive les 30!




Katherine Hepburn has always been my hero! Did anyone catch the [expletive deleted] Cavett interviews on TCM. Fabulous.




Yes I taped them and will carry them with me home. Kathryn Hepburn just love her! I have recorded some geat films to take home, including Bringing up Baby, Sylvia Scarlett, Stage Door, The Philadelphia Story, and Christopher Strong among others.
Amazon
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Rungay says: Jeffrey did deserve the win. He did. He absolutely did.

We wouldn't have chosen him, but his clothes and aesthetic are not to our tastes and we're not a fashion editor.

Just needed to point out - - "Eye of the Beholder" - - that Rungay fully admits they have there own preference and are not designers.

I personally fully admit - - I love deconstructed fashion.

Rungay prefers Uli's style.

As a designer, she took as many risks as Jeffrey did, going far outside her expectied milieu and showing a range of clothing that could fill a closet and dress a lifestyle (and bring in a [censored]-ton of money, to boot). We've had to watch each collection come down the runway at least a dozen times and every time Uli's collection just made you feel how thrilling beautiful, well-made clothing can be.




Had the criteria for winning been "designing a show for L.A.'s Fashion Week" then Uhli would have had a better chance of winning. At L.A.'s Fashion Week they embrace more of the ready-to-wear mentality, and most people have a better chance of looking at a design and thinking, "Hey, I'd buy that."

But N.Y. Fashion Week is all about being innovative, pushing the envelope, coming up with NEW designs that will inspire others to tone down and use aspects of for their own designs.

While Uhli, in her final collection, stepped outside her own stereotype (the flowie, bold print, halter dress), it wasn't something we hadn't seen before from other designers. I loved her collection--but it wasn't innovative for the fashion industry (although it appeared to be "innovative" for her).

But I'm sure Uhli will do well because women love her clothes. I'll say it again: she should really capitalize on the fact that her flowie long-dresses could easily take a woman through pregnancy and the post-delivery poundage, back to normal body, really well.
Jadis
If you're on vacation then why are you wasting it away reading and commenting on a forum.
IronChef
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If you're on vacation then why are you wasting it away reading and commenting on a forum.




Not that I owe anyone an explanation, but:

1. The money that I saved up to visit friends and family in Ohio this year had to be spent on moving costs when the house we were renting was sold. The new owner decided she wanted to sell it instead of to continue to rent it, so she gave us 30 days to vacate.

2. Our A/C unit went out several days ago (80+ degree Florida temps here, just in case you're wondering why we need A/C in November), and I've had to be at home and accessible all day for several days while the repair company assesses the damage.

3. I'm mildly agoraphobic, so my first thought when I have "free time" isn't to head out to the beach or the local watering holes, but instead to spend time at home, relaxing and simply enjoying TV, movies, reading, writing and such at home, where I'm comfy.

4. I enjoy reading and commenting on forums, taking in others' opinions and learning about what others think and feel strongly about. I don't really consider it "wasting away my time."

Good enough reasons?

Lia
laura_delusional
OUCH!!! No mas! You WIN! Clearly I have PISSED you off. And that is not a good thing.

Lia, you have found me out: I am a neophyte to bulletin boards. So far it has been stimulating! The etiquette here is byzantine. Little did I know that my offhand rant into the ether would actually garner ANY attention. As a narcissist, I find it flattering. So, I take it that if I have a comment about your posting, I should paste it into this chain so others can read it? Is it okay for me to intersperse my replies within the text to which I am responding, as an aid to readers? How about this:


Why, that's sarcasm you're using, isn't it?! Took me awhile to figure it out, because it wasn't really good, in-your-face sarcasm, but thank goodness the rest of your post was there to elaborate on that initially weak usage.
<Yes, sarcasm can be subtle and nuanced here in the world of people. You are probably right that it didn't come off well-- something gets lost in the typing. That's probably something you learn when you're on the boards a while.>

First off, you're responding to a post someone made 20 days and 3,229 posts ago. For future reference, it's considered a measure of etiquette, common courtesy and generally just plain "good form" to quote or somehow include at least the relevant, responded-to portion of someone else's post when replying to it, especially after so much time has passed. Otherwise those of us reading won't know what the eff you're on about. And that's not just on this board, that's true for most of 'em. Just so you know.
<Once again, thanks for pointing that out. This is where my inexperience with these boards really shows. You must be an old hand at this stuff! Rewarding job? At the end of the day, do you ask yourself where the time goes? >

Fortunately I'm on vacation this week, and obviously have nothing better to do than track down such ridiculous statistics. Yay me!
<Oh, I see... rewarding LIFE. Yay your vacation! However, in truth, I am in no position to criticize as I'm actually *replying* to you. Alas.>

Now, let's begin ...
<Yes, let's do that.>

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1) You may wish to look up the definition of "predicate". You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words. I am in no position to accomplish that. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are trying to say, or maybe English and sentence structure are not your strong suits?



Why would you tell Carole to not only look up the definition of "predicate," as if she used it incorrectly, but assert that her English and sentence structure might not be strong suits? "Predicate" was used absolutely correctly:
<Are you sure? let's see....>

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pred‧i‧cate  /v. ˈprɛdɪˌkeɪt; adj., n. ˈprɛdɪkɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. pred-i-keyt; adj., n. pred-i-kit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -cat‧ed, -cat‧ing, adjective, noun

–verb (used with object) 1. to proclaim; declare; affirm; assert.
2. Logic. a. to affirm or assert (something) of the subject of a proposition.
b. to make (a term) the predicate of such a proposition.
<As in "Laura appears personality disordered to him and he therefore predicates that she is irksome" or "his opinion that Laura is irksome is predicated on her apparent personality disorder.">

3. to connote; imply: His retraction predicates a change of attitude.
<As in "Laura's behavior predicates a personality disorder.">

4. to found or derive (a statement, action, etc.); base (usually fol. by on): He predicated his behavior on his faith in humanity.
<As in "he predicated his opinion of Laura on his observations of her behavior on national TV" or "in fact, he did not predicate Laura's behavior...he *observed* Laura's behavior on basic cable and *predicated his judgement* on that observation." And there's even "Laura *predicated her behavior* on the belief that Jeffrey is a cheat and that she is a sweetheart of a gal." Get the difference now? It's not a tough concept. I have faith in you, because you are so clearly intelligent!>

–verb (used without object) 5. to make an affirmation or assertion.
<As in "he predicates far too much; I wish he'd just stop already. Damn interloper, messing up our board".>

–adjective 6. predicated.
<As in "he has a predicated idea about Laura.">

7. Grammar. belonging to the predicate: a predicate noun.
–noun
<Not parsing a sentence, correct?>

8. Grammar. (in many languages, as English) a syntactic unit that functions as one of the two main constituents of a simple sentence, the other being the subject, and that consists of a verb, which in English may agree with the subject in number, and of all the words governed by the verb or modifying it, the whole often expressing the action performed by or the state attributed to the subject, as is here in Larry is here.
<We are well beyond this simple usage, I think?>

9. Logic. that which is affirmed or denied concerning the subject of a proposition.
<Are you holding me to the use of "predicate" as a philosophical term?>

[Origin: 1400–50; (n.) late ME ( < MF predicat) < ML praedicātum, n. use of neut. of L praedicātus, ptp. of praedicāre to declare publicly, assert, equiv. to prae- pre- + dicā(re) to show, indicate, make known + -tus ptp. suffix; (v. and adj.) < L praedicātus; cf. preach]
<Please cite reference in the future.>


So, why the big brass-off? Furthermore, you slipped this little gem between your sandwich-like attack of Carole's grasp-o-grammar:

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You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words.

What? Umm ... WHAT??? Are you trying to quantify "plain old" predication with direct predication? Sorry, but I don't see a difference there.
<The use of the word "directly" modifies the second instance of the word to amplify a dichotomy by which a comparison is made between the sentence and the clause. For example: "she's not just an idiot, but she's a *world class* idiot.">

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2) You used "subconscious" in a sentence rather successfully! That STINGS! That freshman psych. course at community college really paid off!

Sarcasm? AGAIN?! By Grasshopper, you are starting to catch on! Congrats, too, on finally seeing the merit of taking that freshman psych course, and remember, there's no need to feel ashamed that you took the course in Comm Coll instead of in a more academically estasblished environment! Just keep telling yourself "I'm smart, I'm accomplished, and damnit!, people like me!"
<"No, she didn't go to community college-- YOU did!" This was not one of your wittier constructions.>

Of course, using the word "subconscious" correctly in a sentence has little to do with psychology, but at least you're trying!
<If your point is that the proper usage of any given technical word has more to do with writing skill than with an understanding of the word from the point of view of its original use, I think that with scrutiny, you'll find that a difficult position to fully defend. Although "subconscious" has entered the common jargon, it still remains a psychological term and is routinely misunderstood and misused. >

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3) You implied that I may subconsciously be saying "I am delusional" because I used the word in my username! That is FUNNY! You are a wit for the ages, kind person. You see, I thought that using the construct "laura-delusional" would leverage English syntax so as to quickly, simply (even childishly), and transparently announce my formerly-sole reason to post: to express my thoughts about Laura's mental state. In other words, I thought I would use "delusional" as part of my screen name in order to create a kind of simplistic label that would allow the quickly scanning reader to peruse the board without delving more deeply into my post, should it not be of some interest. Luckily, this username attracted you and your scathing eye, AND ONCE AGAIN, you helped me see the truth through your interpretative prowess!



Ok, here's the rub. I know that when you're first learning the usage and benefits of a little language vehicle like sarcasm, there's a tendency toward overuse. You learn it, you want to use it whenever you can, and I understand that tendency, but there's a caveat: sarcasm only "works" when it's used both sparingly and strategically. Overuse just looks desperate, and you're starting to tread that territory. I know that kind of discrimitory usage can only come with time, but ease up off the gas, already, Grasshopper!
<You are correct there. A little pedantic, but correct. But wait: 4 more lines from you and we would have been equals in our ability to beat the horse! I think I've found a soul-mate.>

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4) Actually, my declaration of personal opinion about Laura in explicit terms (as exemplified by the handle "laura_delusional") would not be considered a very good example of being "passive-aggressive". It's rather fully aggressive. Passive-aggressivity would be better exemplified in a snide and sarcastic response to a posted reply such as yours.



Actually, both your reply to Carole and your original post could be considered passive-aggressive. Neither post, although rife with vitriolic derision for Laura, was specifically directed at or addressed to Laura herself, therefore aggressive with regard to a specific target, while passive with regard to the actual subject.

Aggressive behavior, passive subject. Aggressive-passive, passive-aggressive. See how that works?
<Actually, what was implied was that I *was* being sarcastic, snide, and passive-aggressive. So we are in agreement on this. Now as far as not directing my original rant to Laura, I didn't exactly have her email... and it was therefore intended for "the ether". Perhaps you can help me direct this to her? I can't believe she would care, but even more, I am stunned that *anyone* cared enough to read and respond to any of this! But that's me just being new to boards. Or whatever.>

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5) Perhaps you believe you never judge others based on scant information or passing observations.



You mean the kinds of "passing observations" and "scant information" you've just used to form not only an opinion, but a personal attack? Sweetie, check this year's syllabus. Maybe Community College is offering "How to Play Well With Others" this semester. If it's there, take it. Trust me.
<Yeah, that's exactly the point: I do it, and many of us are prone to making judgments based on personal bias and precious little info. You yourself might be accused of this. JESUS, you and I both know you're smart, so KEEP UP.>

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If this is true, then congratulations you rarified thing, you!



:::sigh::: Again with the desperate use of sarcasm.
< ":::sigh::: Again with the desperate use of sarcasm", indeed! By the way, what's the deal with the colons? Is this some crazy board etiquette/insider thing?>

Honey, it's really getting old, so either learn to use the gloves with care, or see that hook over there on the far wall and use it.
<You go girl! But wait: you *hang* your gloves? Help me understand, because I'm trying to get a mental picture.>

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However, I would be remiss if I did not point out that the logic of attacking me and my opinions by judging me in the same manner that I have judged Laura-- the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is byzantine in its idiocy.



Byzantine?? Oh, now you're referencing history, which was never my strong point in college (the non-community variety, BTW--sorry!). I suppose you're trying to point out, when you call it "Byzantine in idiocy," that Carole's challenge of your self-admitted "attack" and opinions was somehow ... what, "Old?" "Ancient?" "Antique? "Outdated?"

Byzantium--idiotic? Actually, Byzantium made some important and lasting contributions to economy, science, law, religion, art, architecture, literature, civil service, government and diplomacy.
<No, look up the word. Use the same big book/on-line reference you busted out before. It can be used to attack AND learn! In this case, the word means "intricate and complex", i.e. a "clusterf--k" of idiocy, if you will.>

Hmm, diplomacy. I guess now that you've marginally learned the lessons of "sarcasm," "diplomacy" might best be next on your personal syllabus.

Don't worry, you've got till next week to drop the class, and I won't hold it against you. I think our local Community College is offering a similar course in "The Merits of Communicative Misinterpretation," so ... well, just offering an alternative based on your exhibited strengths.

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Everyone's [censored] stinks, honey.



Glad you at least recognize that much, sugar, 'cause what you just wrote qualifies too. Damn, can someone please take out the trash?
<Triple snaps again, Sister.>

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Get some edu-ma-cation: sloppy thinking gets worse over time.



Please provide parenthetical documentation of that assertion, 'cause I'd love to read it. "Sloppy thinking" might get worse over time, but it can be corrected. Narcissist<ic> thought coupled with Napoleonic passion lasts a lifetime, so I'd suggest you check into the nearest "island retreat"--it'll be labelled "Elba"--postehaste.
<See... you do the double 'll' thing too! Have you ever notcied how that was phased out of common American spelling practices over the past 40 years? As an aside, that has always bothered me, and few people seem to be aware of the shift. I prefer the doubled consonants myself. Anyway, that assertion was derived from poetry project about 12 years ago: Times Square Haikus. It was beautiful, and transformed the marquees of run-down and out-of business porn theaters on 42nd Street into something thought-provoking and well appreciated by many commuters. Certainly not meant to be based on randomized controlled trials with statistically significant correlations. So don't hold me to it, buster. Apparently, vitriolic replies are narcissistic and tantamount to Napoleonic aspirations? Is that another board-etiquette thing? Or did I just piss you off as the defender of hoi-polloi? If so, you know, you can just tell me bluntly. That way we can enter into a positive dialogue, a framework for *healing*.>

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xoxoxo (now THAT is passive-aggressive!)



Actually, that's not classically passive-aggressive, that's just plain "third-grade."

Learn the difference. Here endeth the lesson.
<Isn't that from "The Untouchables?" Ouch. You know, the sad thing is that I sense you are actually a fun and likable person and in another setting, I'm sure we'd appreciate one another's acerbic wit. Or at least, I'd appreciate yours. You might just spit on me. Is this where the emoticon goes?>
laura_delusional
Ohio? Florida? Well, someone has to live in the redneck riviera. And not every place can attract and retain culture. Actually that's not really fair of me, I apologize. Cleveland and Toledo both have wonderful art museums and the Cleveland Symphony is a world-class institution. Forgive me Lia, I beg you. As long as you're not a supporter of W... if you are, hate away.
youareallcrazy
Excuse me if I'm wrong but WHY are you answering this post to Carol?

You people really are all crazy!

You seriously need help.

I know it is hard to be alive at times and this is a GREAT way to vent and take out ALL your aggression but REALLY.

Is it necessary to smear these pages of a forum about a TV show with your mess.

Why don't you just ask the person for an email address so you can take it off board?

Do you have some sort of need for everyone to read you?

Please do yourselves a favor and read some of the articles online about the psychology
of the internet and why you need to do this.

You spent a WHOLE lot of time answering her.Feel better?


Well you wrote it You MUST be RIGHT!!!!!!

I cannot believe YOU are telling this person about board ettiquette with a straight face.
You really think this to be true and that my friend is pretty pathetic and laughable..Did I miss those rules ???Could you post them please?

How dare you tell another poster when they can answer someone else.That is none of your business really.

This is none of mine but geeezuz someone has to try and stop this madness.

I am shaking my head for real!.

http://www.enotalone.com/article/2454.html







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Hee-hee! You got me GOOD! Some comments:




Why, that's sarcasm you're using, isn't it?! Took me awhile to figure it out, because it wasn't really good, in-your-face sarcasm, but thank goodness the rest of your post was there to elaborate on that initially weak usage.

First off, you're responding to a post someone made 20 days and 3,229 posts ago. For future reference, it's considered a measure of etiquette, common courtesy and generally just plain "good form" to quote or somehow include at least the relevant, responded-to portion of someone else's post when replying to it, especially after so much time has passed. Otherwise those of us reading won't know what the eff you're on about. And that's not just on this board, that's true for most of 'em. Just so you know.

Fortunately I'm on vacation this week, and obviously have nothing better to do than track down such ridiculous statistics. Yay me!

Now, let's begin ...

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1) You may wish to look up the definition of "predicate". You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words. I am in no position to accomplish that. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are trying to say, or maybe English and sentence structure are not your strong suits?




Why would you tell Carole to not only look up the definition of "predicate," as if she used it incorrectly, but assert that her English and sentence structure might not be strong suits? "Predicate" was used absolutely correctly:

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pred‧i‧cate  /v. ˈprɛdɪˌkeɪt; adj., n. ˈprɛdɪkɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. pred-i-keyt; adj., n. pred-i-kit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -cat‧ed, -cat‧ing, adjective, noun

–verb (used with object) 1. to proclaim; declare; affirm; assert.
2. Logic. a. to affirm or assert (something) of the subject of a proposition.
b. to make (a term) the predicate of such a proposition.

3. to connote; imply: His retraction predicates a change of attitude.
4. to found or derive (a statement, action, etc.); base (usually fol. by on): He predicated his behavior on his faith in humanity.
–verb (used without object) 5. to make an affirmation or assertion.
–adjective 6. predicated.
7. Grammar. belonging to the predicate: a predicate noun.
–noun 8. Grammar. (in many languages, as English) a syntactic unit that functions as one of the two main constituents of a simple sentence, the other being the subject, and that consists of a verb, which in English may agree with the subject in number, and of all the words governed by the verb or modifying it, the whole often expressing the action performed by or the state attributed to the subject, as is here in Larry is here.
9. Logic. that which is affirmed or denied concerning the subject of a proposition.

[Origin: 1400–50; (n.) late ME ( < MF predicat) < ML praedicātum, n. use of neut. of L praedicātus, ptp. of praedicāre to declare publicly, assert, equiv. to prae- pre- + dicā(re) to show, indicate, make known + -tus ptp. suffix; (v. and adj.) < L praedicātus; cf. preach]




So, why the big brass-off? Furthermore, you slipped this little gem between your sandwich-like attack of Carole's grasp-o-grammar:

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You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words.




What? Umm ... WHAT??? Are you trying to quantify "plain old" predication with direct predication? Sorry, but I don't see a difference there.

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2) You used "subconscious" in a sentence rather successfully! That STINGS! That freshman psych. course at community college really paid off!




Sarcasm? AGAIN?! By Grasshopper, you are starting to catch on! Congrats, too, on finally seeing the merit of taking that freshman psych course, and remember, there's no need to feel ashamed that you took the course in Comm Coll instead of in a more academically estasblished environment! Just keep telling yourself "I'm smart, I'm accomplished, and damnit!, people like me!"

Of course, using the word "subconscious" correctly in a sentence has little to do with psychology, but at least you're trying!smile.gif

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3) You implied that I may subconsciously be saying "I am delusional" because I used the word in my username! That is FUNNY! You are a wit for the ages, kind person. You see, I thought that using the construct "laura-delusional" would leverage English syntax so as to quickly, simply (even childishly), and transparently announce my formerly-sole reason to post: to express my thoughts about Laura's mental state. In other words, I thought I would use "delusional" as part of my screen name in order to create a kind of simplistic label that would allow the quickly scanning reader to peruse the board without delving more deeply into my post, should it not be of some interest. Luckily, this username attracted you and your scathing eye, AND ONCE AGAIN, you helped me see the truth through your interpretative prowess!




Ok, here's the rub. I know that when you're first learning the usage and benefits of a little language vehicle like sarcasm, there's a tendency toward overuse. You learn it, you want to use it whenever you can, and I understand that tendency, but there's a caveat: sarcasm only "works" when it's used both sparingly and strategically. Overuse just looks desperate, and you're starting to tread that territory. I know that kind of discrimitory usage can only come with time, but ease up off the gas, already, Grasshopper!

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4) Actually, my declaration of personal opinion about Laura in explicit terms (as exemplified by the handle "laura_delusional") would not be considered a very good example of being "passive-aggressive". It's rather fully aggressive. Passive-aggressivity would be better exemplified in a snide and sarcastic response to a posted reply such as yours.




Actually, both your reply to Carole and your original post could be considered passive-aggressive. Neither post, although rife with vitriolic derision for Laura, was specifically directed at or addressed to Laura herself, therefore aggressive with regard to a specific target, while passive with regard to the actual subject.

Aggressive behavior, passive subject. Aggressive-passive, passive-aggressive. See how that works?

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5) Perhaps you believe you never judge others based on scant information or passing observations.




You mean the kinds of "passing observations" and "scant information" you've just used to form not only an opinion, but a personal attack? Sweetie, check this year's syllabus. Maybe Community College is offering "How to Play Well With Others" this semester. If it's there, take it. Trust me.

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If this is true, then congratulations you rarified thing, you!




:::sigh::: Again with the desperate use of sarcasm. Honey, it's really getting old, so either learn to use the gloves with care, or see that hook over there on the far wall and use it.

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However, I would be remiss if I did not point out that the logic of attacking me and my opinions by judging me in the same manner that I have judged Laura-- the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is byzantine in its idiocy.




Byzantine?? Oh, now you're referencing history, which was never my strong point in college (the non-community variety, BTW--sorry!). I suppose you're trying to point out, when you call it "Byzantine in idiocy," that Carole's challenge of your self-admitted "attack" and opinions was somehow ... what, "Old?" "Ancient?" "Antique? "Outdated?"

Byzantium--idiotic? Actually, Byzantium made some important and lasting contributions to economy, science, law, religion, art, architecture, literature, civil service, government and diplomacy.

Hmm, diplomacy. I guess now that you've marginally learned the lessons of "sarcasm," "diplomacy" might best be next on your personal syllabus.

Don't worry, you've got till next week to drop the class, and I won't hold it against you. I think our local Community College is offering a similar course in "The Merits of Communicative Misinterpretation," so ... well, just offering an alternative based on your exhibited strengths.

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Everyone's [censored] stinks, honey.




Glad you at least recognize that much, sugar, 'cause what you just wrote qualifies too. Damn, can someone please take out the trash?

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Get some edu-ma-cation: sloppy thinking gets worse over time.




Please provide parenthetical documentation of that assertion, 'cause I'd love to read it. "Sloppy thinking" might get worse over time, but it can be corrected. Narcissist thought coupled with Napoleonic passion lasts a lifetime, so I'd suggest you check into the nearest "island retreat"--it'll be labelled "Elba"--postehaste.

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xoxoxo (now THAT is passive-aggressive!)




Actually, that's not classically passive-aggressive, that's just plain "third-grade."

Learn the difference. Here endeth the lesson.

Lia


youareallcrazy
Oh yeah and BTW -If it is such a faux paus to answer a post from 3 months ago - Is it NOT just as wrong to answer a poster
who answered a post from 3 months ago especially when it wasn't even directed at YOU?

Tsk tsk.Can't even follow your
own made up in your head rules!




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Excuse me if I'm wrong but WHY are you answering this post to Carol?

You people really are all crazy!

You seriously need help.

I know it is hard to be alive at times and this is a GREAT way to vent and take out ALL your aggression but REALLY.

Is it necessary to smear these pages of a forum about a TV show with your mess.

Why don't you just ask the person for an email address so you can take it off board?

Do you have some sort of need for everyone to read you?

Please do yourselves a favor and read some of the articles online about the psychology
of the internet and why you need to do this.

You spent a WHOLE lot of time answering her.Feel better?


Well you wrote it You MUST be RIGHT!!!!!!

I cannot believe YOU are telling this person about board ettiquette with a straight face.
You really think this to be true and that my friend is pretty pathetic and laughable..Did I miss those rules ???Could you post them please?

How dare you tell another poster when they can answer someone else.That is none of your business really.

This is none of mine but geeezuz someone has to try and stop this madness.

I am shaking my head for real!.

http://www.enotalone.com/article/2454.html







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Hee-hee! You got me GOOD! Some comments:




Why, that's sarcasm you're using, isn't it?! Took me awhile to figure it out, because it wasn't really good, in-your-face sarcasm, but thank goodness the rest of your post was there to elaborate on that initially weak usage.

First off, you're responding to a post someone made 20 days and 3,229 posts ago. For future reference, it's considered a measure of etiquette, common courtesy and generally just plain "good form" to quote or somehow include at least the relevant, responded-to portion of someone else's post when replying to it, especially after so much time has passed. Otherwise those of us reading won't know what the eff you're on about. And that's not just on this board, that's true for most of 'em. Just so you know.

Fortunately I'm on vacation this week, and obviously have nothing better to do than track down such ridiculous statistics. Yay me!

Now, let's begin ...

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1) You may wish to look up the definition of "predicate". You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words. I am in no position to accomplish that. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are trying to say, or maybe English and sentence structure are not your strong suits?




Why would you tell Carole to not only look up the definition of "predicate," as if she used it incorrectly, but assert that her English and sentence structure might not be strong suits? "Predicate" was used absolutely correctly:

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pred‧i‧cate  /v. ˈprɛdɪˌkeɪt; adj., n. ˈprɛdɪkɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. pred-i-keyt; adj., n. pred-i-kit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -cat‧ed, -cat‧ing, adjective, noun

–verb (used with object) 1. to proclaim; declare; affirm; assert.
2. Logic. a. to affirm or assert (something) of the subject of a proposition.
b. to make (a term) the predicate of such a proposition.

3. to connote; imply: His retraction predicates a change of attitude.
4. to found or derive (a statement, action, etc.); base (usually fol. by on): He predicated his behavior on his faith in humanity.
–verb (used without object) 5. to make an affirmation or assertion.
–adjective 6. predicated.
7. Grammar. belonging to the predicate: a predicate noun.
–noun 8. Grammar. (in many languages, as English) a syntactic unit that functions as one of the two main constituents of a simple sentence, the other being the subject, and that consists of a verb, which in English may agree with the subject in number, and of all the words governed by the verb or modifying it, the whole often expressing the action performed by or the state attributed to the subject, as is here in Larry is here.
9. Logic. that which is affirmed or denied concerning the subject of a proposition.

[Origin: 1400–50; (n.) late ME ( < MF predicat) < ML praedicātum, n. use of neut. of L praedicātus, ptp. of praedicāre to declare publicly, assert, equiv. to prae- pre- + dicā(re) to show, indicate, make known + -tus ptp. suffix; (v. and adj.) < L praedicātus; cf. preach]




So, why the big brass-off? Furthermore, you slipped this little gem between your sandwich-like attack of Carole's grasp-o-grammar:

Quote:

You could certainly accuse me of predicating MY JUDGEMENTof Laura's behavior on a few words, but it would be incorrect to assert that I was directly predicating her behavior on a few words.




What? Umm ... WHAT??? Are you trying to quantify "plain old" predication with direct predication? Sorry, but I don't see a difference there.

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2) You used "subconscious" in a sentence rather successfully! That STINGS! That freshman psych. course at community college really paid off!




Sarcasm? AGAIN?! By Grasshopper, you are starting to catch on! Congrats, too, on finally seeing the merit of taking that freshman psych course, and remember, there's no need to feel ashamed that you took the course in Comm Coll instead of in a more academically estasblished environment! Just keep telling yourself "I'm smart, I'm accomplished, and damnit!, people like me!"

Of course, using the word "subconscious" correctly in a sentence has little to do with psychology, but at least you're trying!smile.gif

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3) You implied that I may subconsciously be saying "I am delusional" because I used the word in my username! That is FUNNY! You are a wit for the ages, kind person. You see, I thought that using the construct "laura-delusional" would leverage English syntax so as to quickly, simply (even childishly), and transparently announce my formerly-sole reason to post: to express my thoughts about Laura's mental state. In other words, I thought I would use "delusional" as part of my screen name in order to create a kind of simplistic label that would allow the quickly scanning reader to peruse the board without delving more deeply into my post, should it not be of some interest. Luckily, this username attracted you and your scathing eye, AND ONCE AGAIN, you helped me see the truth through your interpretative prowess!




Ok, here's the rub. I know that when you're first learning the usage and benefits of a little language vehicle like sarcasm, there's a tendency toward overuse. You learn it, you want to use it whenever you can, and I understand that tendency, but there's a caveat: sarcasm only "works" when it's used both sparingly and strategically. Overuse just looks desperate, and you're starting to tread that territory. I know that kind of discrimitory usage can only come with time, but ease up off the gas, already, Grasshopper!

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4) Actually, my declaration of personal opinion about Laura in explicit terms (as exemplified by the handle "laura_delusional") would not be considered a very good example of being "passive-aggressive". It's rather fully aggressive. Passive-aggressivity would be better exemplified in a snide and sarcastic response to a posted reply such as yours.




Actually, both your reply to Carole and your original post could be considered passive-aggressive. Neither post, although rife with vitriolic derision for Laura, was specifically directed at or addressed to Laura herself, therefore aggressive with regard to a specific target, while passive with regard to the actual subject.

Aggressive behavior, passive subject. Aggressive-passive, passive-aggressive. See how that works?

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5) Perhaps you believe you never judge others based on scant information or passing observations.




You mean the kinds of "passing observations" and "scant information" you've just used to form not only an opinion, but a personal attack? Sweetie, check this year's syllabus. Maybe Community College is offering "How to Play Well With Others" this semester. If it's there, take it. Trust me.

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If this is true, then congratulations you rarified thing, you!




:::sigh::: Again with the desperate use of sarcasm. Honey, it's really getting old, so either learn to use the gloves with care, or see that hook over there on the far wall and use it.

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However, I would be remiss if I did not point out that the logic of attacking me and my opinions by judging me in the same manner that I have judged Laura-- the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is byzantine in its idiocy.




Byzantine?? Oh, now you're referencing history, which was never my strong point in college (the non-community variety, BTW--sorry!). I suppose you're trying to point out, when you call it "Byzantine in idiocy," that Carole's challenge of your self-admitted "attack" and opinions was somehow ... what, "Old?" "Ancient?" "Antique? "Outdated?"

Byzantium--idiotic? Actually, Byzantium made some important and lasting contributions to economy, science, law, religion, art, architecture, literature, civil service, government and diplomacy.

Hmm, diplomacy. I guess now that you've marginally learned the lessons of "sarcasm," "diplomacy" might best be next on your personal syllabus.

Don't worry, you've got till next week to drop the class, and I won't hold it against you. I think our local Community College is offering a similar course in "The Merits of Communicative Misinterpretation," so ... well, just offering an alternative based on your exhibited strengths.

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Everyone's [censored] stinks, honey.




Glad you at least recognize that much, sugar, 'cause what you just wrote qualifies too. Damn, can someone please take out the trash?

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Get some edu-ma-cation: sloppy thinking gets worse over time.




Please provide parenthetical documentation of that assertion, 'cause I'd love to read it. "Sloppy thinking" might get worse over time, but it can be corrected. Narcissist thought coupled with Napoleonic passion lasts a lifetime, so I'd suggest you check into the nearest "island retreat"--it'll be labelled "Elba"--postehaste.

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xoxoxo (now THAT is passive-aggressive!)




Actually, that's not classically passive-aggressive, that's just plain "third-grade."

Learn the difference. Here endeth the lesson.

Lia





tamarinden
Why are you? I think you are all the same person, just out for a jaunty troll session.
youareallcrazy
I think you're a nosy little git who can't stay out of other peeps posts!!!!

You just can't shut up and ignore ANYTHING can you????
Did this post have anything to do with YOU?????

It is impossbile for you to stay out of a fight and THAT is why you are always in them.
Look who's calling someone a TROLL!!!!!
Pullleeeeeese!!!

Whassamadda??? Can't come up with a more original name to call me?????

Why don't you mind your own biz for once and get off this board unles it's to discuss the show????

What difference does it make who I am???

I'm writing and you're answering......LOL!
What a FOOL!
IronChef
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OUCH!!! No mas! You WIN! Clearly I have PISSED you off. And that is not a good thing.




Ah, but it's such a fun thing, n'est ce pas? And just for the record, there's no need to capitalize for emphasis, since that can so easily be construed as yelling. If you'd like to emphasize a word, there's a nifty little thing called a "tag" you can use! It works like this:

[ + b (for bold) or i (for italics) + ] + word or phrase to be
emphasized + [ + / + b or i + ]. Take away all those pesky plusses, and voila, you have word, or even word!

I know, I know, it looks a little daunting at first to such a
philistine, but once you master it, you too, laura_d, can be
emphasizing like a pro!

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Lia, you have found me out: I am a neophyte to bulletin boards.




Oh, now, don't sell yourself short like that. Surely you've been peppering "bulletin boards" for years. Since grade school, even! This is a message board, which is a little different, but that's ok, you're learning, and that's all we can ask. Don't be jealous, though. Not everyone can ferret out the troublemakers, hooligans and ne'er-do-wells so efficiently, but with a little practice and intuition, you'll have the drill down in no time. Just look for people like you, and you've got the formula mastered!

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Little did I know that my offhand rant into the ether would actually garner ANY attention.




Except that your "offhand rant" was not only derogatory in comment, but patently offensive in tone. You'd think that a true neophyte would wait awhile and learn not only about the board but about those who post there before taking such a hardline. Or could it be that you really aren't such a stranger to these Bravo-based hinterlands? You sound a lot like someone we used to know and rue far too well hereabouts, though I'll continue to reserve judgment. She had a name that started off innocently enough with a "C," but it soon became apparent that her four letter monicker ended with a sharp little "T," and you fit that bill to a ... well, to a "C**-T!"

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So, I take it that if I have a comment about your posting, I should paste it into this chain so others can read it?




Oh, by all means, have at me.

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Is it okay for me to intersperse my replies within the text to which I am responding, as an aid to readers?




But of course, we wouldn't have it any other way! Now you're catching on! A word to the wise, though. Carats aren't really the modern way to go overall. They're the earmark of "old style" email posting. These days we generally use quote tags, but that's ok. We can afford to give a neophyte a little leeway.

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Yes, sarcasm can be subtle and nuanced here in the world of people.




As opposed to non-people, I suppose. Or is that something like the Amish being "out amongst the English?"

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This is where my inexperience with these boards really shows. You must be an old hand at this stuff! Rewarding job? At the end of the day, do you ask yourself where the time goes?




Not at all. A Byzantine's work is never done, yet is infinitely
rewarding.

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Oh, I see... rewarding LIFE. Yay your vacation! However, in truth, I am in no position to criticize as I'm actually *replying* to you. Alas.




Exactly. Glad you see the irony in that. And glad, as well, that you at least know the alternate method for emphasis by using the handy asterisk! See, now, you're not as backward as you make yourself out to be!

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Are you sure? let's see....




Sorry, no. The main definition of "predicate" is to "to proclaim; declare; affirm; assert; preach." That's exactly what Carole said you did, that's exactly what you did do, and that's what you took offense at, though I'm still not entirely clear why.

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Please cite reference in the future.




That'd be Merriam-Webster. I'm only guessing you've heard of it.

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The use of the word "directly" modifies the second instance of the word to amplify a dichotomy by which a comparison is made between the sentence and the clause. For example: "she's not just an idiot, but she's a *world class* idiot."




Wow, way to cover up your initially garbled half-penny statement with a few fifty dollar words. "Directly," in this instance, was used as an opposition to "indirectly," which you didn't see fit to clarify originally, even though you implied it in your first indecipherable statement.

Honestly, there's no need to denote yourself a world class idiot, but it at least saves me a few keystrokes. Thanks for that!

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"No, she didn't go to community college-- YOU did!"




Ooo, good comeback! Actually, no, I didn't. Assume much? What do you want to do now, whip out our diplomas and measure them?

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This was not one of your wittier constructions.




That presumes you've been around long enough to tell the difference, and that would mean you're not the stranger to these boards you'd have us believe. Hmm ...

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You are correct there. A little pedantic, but correct. But wait: 4 more lines from you and we would have been equals in our ability to beat the horse! I think I've found a soul-mate.




Four more lines? Let's see. I want to use the same dismissive, elitist, bigoted tone that's been used on me, so let's give it a try:

What a face
What a figure
Two more legs
You'd look like trigger

Now, I know, that technically wasn't four lines, but there's an inherant "forgiveness" for a technical flub when the flub was actually funny, and that qualifies. You should study chapters 1 - 6 of The Comedy Masters for next time.

A couple more you can learn to use in strategic conversation:

"You only open your mouth to change feet."

"I worship the ground that awaits you."

A little juvenile, yes, but I just thought I'd be gracious, since you obviously need some new material ...

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Actually, what was implied was that I *was* being sarcastic, snide, and passive-aggressive. So we are in agreement on this.




Except that you denied being passive aggressive to begin with. Glad to see you've admitted your error and admitted as well that Carole was correct in her primary assessment of your tone and intent. Good for you! Admission is the first step to recovery!

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Yeah, that's exactly the point: I do it, and many of us are prone to making judgments based on personal bias and precious little info. You yourself might be accused of this.




Thanks for the admission. And, yeah, I might do it too, just like you intimate. Unlike you, though, who have chosen to use unfounded personal slurs, I'll admit when I'm wrong. You obviously haven't found yourself at a junction yet where it's comfortable to admit your flaws, however blatant they may be.

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JESUS, you and I both know you're smart, so KEEP UP.




Somehow I don't think Jesus cares, hon, and I think he already knows he's smart. He did that whole "persecution/crucifixion" thing way back when, so he doesn't need to "keep up." The Romans did that for him, all too painfully.

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":::sigh::: Again with the desperate use of sarcasm", indeed! By the way, what's the deal with the colons? Is this some crazy board etiquette/insider thing?




Good answer! Deflect your inabliity to present a witty response with a pointless inquiry into form. You rock! And, nope, I just "thank them little marks look awful purty!"

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You go girl! But wait: you *hang* your gloves? Help me understand, because I'm trying to get a mental picture.




It's really not that difficult. Boxers historically had hooks to hang their gloves on after a match. Or maybe that's too much of a "cultural versus technical" image for you to ingest.

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No, look up the word. Use the same big book/on-line reference you busted out before. It can be used to attack AND learn! In this case, the word means "intricate and complex."




Uh huh. So, when you said "the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is byzantine in its idiocy," you really meant to say "the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is intricate and complex in its idiocy?"

Well, spank my a$$ and call my Charlie! The way you said it the first time sounded like an insult, but when you put it the second way, it almost sounds complimentary! Somehow I don't think that's the way you really meant it the first time, but, hey, we all lie and then backpeddle to absolve our sins, so I guess why should you be any different?

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See... you do the double 'll' thing too! Have you ever notcied how that was phased out of common American spelling practices over the past 40 years?




The double "ll" thing? What is this double "ll" thing of which you speak? Are you talking about my fondness for using double dashes, mayhap? Similar to the way you used them in "the very manner by which I initially offended your sensibilities--is byzantine in its idiocy?" If so, then I guess we both need to bone up on our modern usage! Wow, I got me a study buddy!!!

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As an aside, that has always bothered me, and few people seem to be aware of the shift. I prefer the doubled consonants myself. Anyway, that assertion was derived from poetry project about 12 years ago: Times Square Haikus. It was beautiful, and transformed the marquees of run-down and out-of business porn theaters on 42nd Street into something thought-provoking and well appreciated by many commuters.

Certainly not meant to be based on randomized controlled trials with statistically significant correlations. So don't hold me to it, buster. Apparently, vitriolic replies are narcissistic and tantamount to Napoleonic aspirations? Is that another board-etiquette thing? Or did I just piss you off as the defender of hoi-polloi? If so, you know, you can just tell me bluntly. That way we can enter into a positive dialogue, a framework for *healing*.




Aww, such a lovely anectode, but really, sugarbritches, you had me at hello ... or, was that "hoi-polloi?" And as long as I'm still your "pretty little pop tart girl," the elopement's still on, soulmate! You got the "we request your presence at the joining of "moron" and "rube"" invitations, or should we call
the wedding planner right quick?

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Isn't that from "The Untouchables?"




Why, yes, it is! And thank you for recognizing the elder pop-culture reference! Sean Connery's "Malone" does indeed inform Costner's "Elliott Ness" that "You don't bring a knife to a gun fight! The first rule of law enforcement: make sure, when your shift is over, you go home alive. Here endeth the lesson." Now, did you know that one offhand, or did you have to look it up? Your overall worth in my eyes does depend on it, though something tells me that really doesn't count for much. Go figure.

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Ouch.




You use "ouch" an awful lot. Are you in some sort of pain that you find hard to communicate, but that you desperately want to get across somehow, like some Lifetime movie heroine who's just opened the door to the cops, but who can't do anything more than roll her eyes at them because the robber/rapist/murderer has a gun at her head right outside the camera's eye?

Y'know, I've heard tell that "Seventh Circle of Hell" Dante described can be a real bear to get used to, but I think if you just focus a little , you'll realize the merit to "There's no place like home!" in no time.

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You know, the sad thing is that I sense you are actually a fun and likable person and in another setting, I'm sure we'd appreciate one another's acerbic wit. Or at least, I'd appreciate yours.




You may very well be right. They say, after all, that "many great friendships are based on an act of abject cruelty." I don't know if we've gone beyond that or not, but I can say that I've at least been both entertained and challenged. I hope you can say the same.

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You might just spit on me.




Nah. I'm more the "poltergeist" type than the "Linda Blair-pea-soup-spitting" type. But I've always got room in my
repertoire for a new prop option!

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Is this where the emoticon goes?




If it was in your a$$, you'd know. (And, yes, that was a joke)

Lia
IronChef
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Ohio? Florida? Well, someone has to live in the redneck riviera. And not every place can attract and retain culture. Actually that's not really fair of me, I apologize. Cleveland and Toledo both have wonderful art museums and the Cleveland Symphony is a world-class institution. Forgive me Lia, I beg you. As long as you're not a supporter of W... if you are, hate away.




Yikes!! Geographic slurs?? Why, not even I have resorted to this last, pathetic bastion of insult!

laura-d, you'd have me pinned and dead to rights if not for the fact that I don't buy into national ethnocentricm and never have. I don't give a rat's hiney about Ohio or Florida, because I also don't buy into the prejudicial assumption that where you live affects your intelligence. You apparently do.

Now, you're obviously intelligent, but I find it sad that my comments have brought you to such unintelligent depths. I've also lived in Seattle, San Francisco, Manhattan, New Orleans, Marseilles and London in my 40-year travels (that's not London, Ohio, or London, Ontario, that's London, England. That's the one across the ocean, in case you're confused). So, you might want to recalculate my overall "redneck" quotient next time before you judge.

And if you must know, I'm not a Bush supporter. I'm a democrat. Whoo for me, huh?

So, what's next on your agenda? Race? Creed? Religion?

Bring it on, 'cause I'm curious what depths you'll sink to next.

Lia
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You really think this to be true and that my friend is pretty pathetic and laughable..Did I miss those rules ???Could you post them please?




Ah. After all that long-winded piss-and-vinegar, we come to learn that the person you're defending, seemingly out of the blue, is actually your friend! Well, gosh-a-golly, no wonder you're defensive! Well, that's really sweet that you think your friend doesn't have the hutzpah to kvetch on his or her own merit with the rest of us come Festivus, but here's a little bulletin: No Assistance Needed!

Your buddy's got it amply covered, so why not hang back, relax and just enjoy the ride?

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How dare you tell another poster when they can answer someone else.That is none of your business really.




How dare I? Well, let's see. That "other poster" (aka "your friend") made it not only my business, but everyone else's business when he or she posted to a "public" message board. Public. Do you get that? That means everyone and anyone can post in reply, so tuck those frayed little indignant ribbons back under your helmet and sit the eff back down unless you've got something new about the show to mention.

So many people say that when the "PR" and "TC" contestants agreed to be on the show, they gave up their right to both privacy and the people they were before editing. Why is this any different? You post on a public board, you open yourself up to public criticism. So, why you cryin,' Charlus???

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This is none of mine but geeezuz someone has to try and stop this madness.




You're right. It's really none of your business, but I hafta ask ... who or what is "geeezuz?"

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I am shaking my head for real!.




Shaking your head "for real" as opposed to shaking your head ... what not for real? My cat once had mites in her ears, and kept shaking her head, so is there a mite problem where you are? You know what helps is sweet oil. Just swab the ears twice a day, and before you know it, no more head shaking! Let me know how that works out.

Lia
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Oh yeah and BTW -If it is such a faux paus to answer a post from 3 months ago - Is it NOT just as wrong to answer a poster
who answered a post from 3 months ago especially when it wasn't even directed at YOU?




I'm guessing you meant "faux pas." It's not a faux pas to "answer a poster who answered a post from 3 months ago," and even if it wasn't directed at me.

First off, you're going off on a tangent. The post "your friend" made wasn't made in reply to a post made "3 months ago," it was made in reply to a post made 20 days ago. 20 days is a helluva lot different than three months, so get your quantifiers in a row before going off, will ya?

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Tsk tsk.




Ohmigod, they were right on "Heroes," you really can bend space and time! That "tsk tsk" took me right back to my childhood, when I tried to cop my best friend's "My Little Pony" and said she "gave" it to me in trade for my cabbage patch kid! Gosh, those memories bring so much back into focus! For you too?

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Can't even follow your own made up in your head rules!




They're actually not made up, and they're actually not "rules" per se. Call them "guidelines," and they're not specific to this board, they're pretty much all over the Net with regard to message groups. You might want to familiarize yourself with them.

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You people really are all crazy!




Oh my goodness! "youareallcrazy" just called us crazy, everyone! What should I say back? Oh, right!

"Sell crazy someplace else, "youareallcrazy." We're all stocked up here."

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You seriously need help.




Are you offering? Because we so obviously need the meds, at the very least. You got any?

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I know it is hard to be alive at times and this is a GREAT way to vent and take out ALL your aggression but REALLY.[/qoute]

Really what? It's a great way to take out aggression, yes, much like your "friend" has, so how is it different for me than for your "friend?" I've never had a problem being alive, so is this some "life lesson" I'm missing out on? If so, please enlighten me.

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Is it necessary to smear these pages of a forum about a TV show with your mess.




Before I answer that, could you please ask your "friend" the same question? Because my mess is no dirtier.

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Why don't you just ask the person for an email address so you can take it off board?




That's not as easy as you make it out to be. Bravo has disabled the PM function, and has for several seasons now, so giving someone your email addy isn't as easy as you'd think, unless you want to broadcast it across the entire board for everyone to see.

Don't believe me? Try PMing me your email addy, and I'd be happy to take this off the boards.

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Do you have some sort of need for everyone to read you?




No moreso than your "friend" does. Or do you keep forgetting that these boards are "public?" Did your "friend" have some sort of need to be read by everyone? You keep acting as if I'm the only one here, when your "friend" shares an equal measure when it comes to fuelling this thing. Not only that, so do you!

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Please do yourselves a favor and read some of the articles online about the psychology of the internet and why you need to do this.




Again, if you have some sort of "cure," apart from the random mention of equally random nothingness, please provide it. Meds are always welcome.

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You spent a WHOLE lot of time answering her.Feel better?




Why, yes, I actually do! Somehow I don't think that was the answer you were looking for, was it?

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Well you wrote it You MUST be RIGHT!!!!!!




What?!? Dude. I never said I was right, that's why I replied! So that I could engage in debate! When did I ever insist I was right? Sweetie, before you accuse me of something like that, at least stockpile the right ammo.

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I cannot believe YOU are telling this person about board ettiquette with a straight face.




Here's the thing: you can't see my face, so you have no idea whether it's straight or not!

"Board etiquette" has nothing to do with having a straight face, it has to do with treating others with respect as a common courtesy. That's something you and your "friend" haven't really done, so until you see fit to be less disrespectful, I don't see why you should be afforded the same courtesy.

Nuff Said
IronChef
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I think you're a nosy little git who can't stay out of other peeps posts!!!!




Holy craptastic! Kinda like the way you decided to nose your way into your "friend's" posts earlier? Huh. Double standard much?

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Whassamadda??? Can't come up with a more original name to call me?????




Oh, Idunno ... "Oscarsimon," maybe? There are very few folks here who'd take that much offense that quickly and vehemently at a post by Tamarinden these days other than Oscarsimon, so I'm voting you in, Oscar.

Don't admit it if you can't. After all, I probably couldn't either, considering what a fool Oscarsimon made of "himself" over the last few weeks. I'd probably be ashamed too, so I understand how you'd want to hide behind some new handle.

No biggie. It's all good.
youareallcrazy
Wow- Agoraphobics DO have too much time on their hands
in the house.
No?
(Really don't want to use the tricky font physics formula for emphasis you offered.Sorry to break board "guidelines".
OH GOD How WILLl I live with myself????. I don't spend all day on boards so I'll just stick to the much out dated CAPS method as I want to go outside unlike some )

Oh BTW- It's 'effects' not 'affects' since you're red penciling . Another narcissistic tendency which always makes the narcissist feel superior .Sigh!

I am NOT Oscarsimon.That's the truth and I feel bad for her or him now. Other peeps watch and read this board and are sick of how some of you just can't let go and think you are superior in some way as you have all banded together and cannot really see how SICK all of this is.

No wonder things like Columbine happen.
This is high school all over again.
You obviously have last word syndrome also so go ahead. I am exhausted because..... uhhhhhhhh..... I left the house today.
youareallcrazy
BTW-
That other person was not my FRIEND at all.
Honestly.
I never even saw the name before.

That's the truth.I have no idea who they are.Just saw you all over that post and it made me SICK!


I have learned over the years that these peeps online aren't REALLY my friends....Shhhhh....They're just some anon peeps who love
the game and who really don't care about you.

You believe you're popular because of all this.

You 've never even met these peeps.
Most of the peeps you call 'friends' you probably couldn't even stand in REAL life!

So pass the TC punch and get your diapers on.....GROSS!



20 days or 3 months.No matter.
You're still responding to things that have nothing to do with you just because you HAVE to.
I've seen this time and time again and you will not be able to discern that because you are too steeped in this.

This has become your world and you feel it is necessary to fight every fight whether it's yours or not.

I know dear..... hon.... and sweets.

I KNOW!
IronChef
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Wow- Agoraphobics DO have too much time on their hands in the house. No?




Gosh, I wouldn't know. Ask a full-blown agoraphobic. I mentioned I was mildly agoraphobic, but it's hardly a detriment, just enough to make me "prefer" to stay at home more often than not. As a matter of fact, I just got back from running a few errands ... outside the house! (GASP!!!)

If you're the kind of person who would poke fun at an agoraphobic, though (or any kind of "phobic," for that matter) I feel for you. You're the kind of bully who used to take delight in calling the "different" kids names in high school, whether they wore glasses, were overweight, or had a developmental or physical disability, and you're the most pathetic brand of "sorry," since you apparently haven't grown out of the "phase" they predicted you would. I guess there's always still hope over the rainbow!

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(Really don't want to use the tricky font physics formula for emphasis you offered.Sorry to break board "guidelines". OH GOD How WILLl I live with myself????.




Uuhh ... I'm guessing the way you've lived with yourself every day since? Let me pull a quick Kreskin: beer can in left hand; right hand scratching somewhat-gender-appropriate nether regions, while "good ol' Mom" pulls a Piggly-Wiggly 'tato topped chicken pot pie and some crispy-salty tater tots from the oven, sauces 'em up with some Heinz 57, sets it all up on a little tray-table, winds you up and lets you go for yet another night of eat-drink-burp-slurp-piss-n-pull-my-finger-twister! Yee haw!!!!!

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Oh BTW- It's 'effects' not 'affects' since you're red penciling .




What? What exactly are you referring to? See, when you don't quote or at least somehow include what you're replying to, it makes for a lot of confusion, and only ends up making you look like a doofus. I know that's not much of a stretch in this case, but believe it or not, I'm really trying to be helpful.

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I am NOT Oscarsimon.That's the truth and I feel bad for her or him now. Other peeps watch and read this board and are sick of how some of you just can't let go and think you are superior in some way as you have all banded together and cannot really see how SICK all of this is.




Ok, so maybe it's not just Oscarsimon. It's you and Oscarsimon! I think that might actually constitute a "club!" Before long, you'll have a clubhouse just like Spanky and Alfalfa, and you can post "clubhouse rules" and determine who's "in" or "out," just like ... ohmigosh, "Project Runway!!"

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No wonder things like Columbine happen.




I'm not quite understanding that statement. Are you equating a debate on an Internet message board with the reasons the nation's children decide it's ok to murder their classmates? Wow, and you called me sick?

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This is high school all over again.




Yeah, except you're apparently wielding a 45 and a switchbade. All I've got is a "trapper keeper" and a dangling participle.

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You obviously have last word syndrome also so go ahead. I am exhausted because..... uhhhhhhhh..... I left the house today.




Again, you're pulling out all the grade school stops. I left the house today too! I paid some bills, got some stamps and groceries, stopped off at Borders to peruse the shelves and pick up a Pumpkin Latte, gassed up the car, and stopped at Panera on the way home for a Fuji Apple Chicken Salad for dinner and a cup of Baked Potato Soup. It was fun!!!

Sweetheart, if you're trying to capitalize on a random comment I made, you're really falling flat. Like I said before, I'm not agoraphobic, I'm mildly agoraphobic. I go to work 9 hours a day, 5 days out of 7, and I have no problem being there among people. What's your excuse?

If you want to make fun of me like a third grade bully, the "agoraphobia" route isn't really going to wash, so you might want to find another trait to exploit. I'm not fat, but, hey, I do wear glasses! You could try taking that tack, hey?

Aww, hon, I'm really just trying to help.
IronChef
Yawn ...

Right, who's up for Truth or Dare?

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BTW-
That other person was not my FRIEND at all.
Honestly.
I never even saw the name before.

That's the truth.I have no idea who they are.Just saw you all over that post and it made me SICK!


I have learned over the years that these peeps online aren't REALLY my friends....Shhhhh....They're just some anon peeps who love
the game and who really don't care about you.

You believe you're popular because of all this.

You 've never even met these peeps.
Most of the peeps you call 'friends' you probably couldn't even stand in REAL life!

So pass the TC punch and get your diapers on.....GROSS!



20 days or 3 months.No matter.
You're still responding to things that have nothing to do with you just because you HAVE to.
I've seen this time and time again and you will not be able to discern that because you are too steeped in this.

This has become your world and you feel it is necessary to fight every fight whether it's yours or not.

I know dear..... hon.... and sweets.

I KNOW!




notevayas
Thanks chickadee. I've been speedscrolling for about 4 pages whew! I don't think I'm anything special for amassing 2000 posts on several Bravo shows and 3 seasons of Project Runway since spring 2004, but I've read enough great posts by Lia (IronChef) and tamarinden to know that they are better than this. Ladies, please stop answering the pepper posts. Time to "igsnore". The new posters make a good point in that we don't know who each other really is and this could be the same poster under multiple registrations just pulling your chain, or not. Does it really matter? I'd like to keep this site on my favourites list. I'm so jazzed by the positive election results nationwide & Deval Patrick Governor of Massachusetts.. yeah! Rumsfeld resigns yeah!
I wanted to post yet another article about my fave Tim Gunn from Supe to celebrate!

Tim Gunn is a rare class act in reality world
By Pamela Sitt
Seattle Times staff reporter

Tim Gunn

Tim Gunn for president!


The design mentor who makes "Project Runway" work will be in Seattle this week stumping for Macy's, which was reason enough for me to chat up my favorite reality-TV personality. No matter how many times "Entertainment Weekly" puts him on its cover, the man refuses to be anything but charming and gracious. Even the prospect of rain couldn't make him grumpy: "I would be disappointed if it didn't rain in Seattle." Of course.

In his first visit to our fashion-challenged but "Project Runway"-loving city, Tim will make an appearance at 6 p.m. Thursday at the downtown Macy's store (1601 Third Ave.), where he'll answer audience questions about the show and present fall fashions by INC International Concepts. "Runway" contestant Angela Keslar is also scheduled to appear with her winning design from the show's INC challenge, and will probably be busily pinning rosettes on everything in sight.

It's too late to get in on the Q&A — more than 600 people have RSVP'ed — but Tim will be signing autographs and greeting fans afterward in the INC department (on the second floor of Macy's), where winning designs from each of the show's challenges and outfits from the final four collections will be on display. If you'd rather skip the zoo, I tried to anticipate your questions and asked him a few ahead of time:

• On Michael Knight's surprising bomb at Fashion Week: "I have a theory. He was great when he was here on the show, but left on his own in Atlanta, he went right back to that Atlanta thing. It just enveloped him. When we had a finale viewing party, Michael brought his guy pals from Atlanta with him. As we're watching the show, they were slapping him on the back and saying 'That's hot, Michael. That's hot.' I had an epiphany: I thought, that's the audience, these over-testosteroned males. He needs to get out of Atlanta."

• On the judges' final deliberations: "It was a very long process, three and a half or four hours. Laura was in it for a long time, and then it became about Uli and Jeffrey. ... Uli's collection, as strong as it was, reminded me of the discussion about [first season runner-up] Kara Saun, and Jeffrey was more the Jay McCarroll. It really came down to who surprised the judges, and Jeffrey did."

• On his signature catchphrase: "The phrase 'make it work' originated at Parsons. Students are very inclined, if they're having trouble with something, to put it away and start over again. It's easy just to abandon something instead of diagnosing what's wrong with it and how to fix it. That's what 'make it work' is all about."

• On how judge Nina Garcia told him she was pregnant: "It was so funny. We were at some event sitting at tables next to each other, so we could look at each other but not talk. So we were mouthing to each other and she said to me, 'I'm pregnaaannnt.' "
notevayas
Hey SterlingRose57!
Waving backatcha from my bubble in cyberspace...
I hope to read more of you on Project Runway 4 boards!
I wasn't really moved by Jeffrey's collection, but I did get a bit misty when his family joined him after his win.. I saw him on the Megan M talkshow a couple weeks ago and his hair was awful, a jet black blunt cut over some shaving, but his fashions were interesting.
All I can say about his mens' fashions he was wearing was that it seemed the message was that he was taking alot of trouble to look so bad. It was like a "studied ugly" and not the kind of ugly that happens by accident. An ugly not for amateurs which seems sort of reverse-snotty. Like he was saying "I paid good money to disrespect myself and you all by my clothing.." This is designer-ugly!

His womens' fashions are not that bad, but he was wearing a sort of mesh top over long sleeve tee with a random square of fabric over his crotch. I hope it wasn't hiding bling.. more likely zing..
Anywayhow, his pants reminded me of Angelas ugly butt pants, and this is the guy who made the cool trousers for the Macy's challenge! I just didn't "get it".

I don't crossdress, but I'd rather wear an Uli sarong over my boardshorts if she'd make it long enough to hide my wonky knees, and put in a cool bone clasp. {NPI}

notevayas
mikitobella
very funny madtv spoof if PR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYcwjmcW7s
Kristlkrost
OHMYG!!!!!

Thank you...I am ROFLING!!!!!!


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very funny madtv spoof if PR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYcwjmcW7s


notevayas
Thanks for sharing, mikitobella!
Heidi was spoofed very well. Of course they couldn't find a match for Tim Gunn, but the designers bs'd just as much as the real contestants! The "Irish" Asian guy reminded me of Daniel Franco telling everyone ad nauseum that he was straight.
The "I love babies" guy was sexy! I don't watch "Mad TV" so I have no idea who he is. Straight probably.. Not that I am looking!
Thanks again.

notevayas
overseasviewer
I am still two episodes behind but I like the fact that there are four final contestants. Competition is good for all of them but I feel the one person that should win is Michael. He has been consistent throughout and it is really a no brainer. As the judges have said he has thought about the overall look. The others have their qualities but Jeofrey is not a designer I would buy from. Laura can be predictably simple/chic and Uli can be predictably abstract/creative. How the yellow thing Jeofrey made and how he won a challenge I have no idea. I would not wear that thing, nor buy it. It looked a mess.

So good luck to Michael. And I know the others will have success in fashion as well.

PS. I love the show.
mikitobella
tim gunn will be here in Dallas @ Macy's NorthPark for a fashion show of new designs---show starts at 6:30pm its free but you have to call 866-226-0449 for reservations!
Mariabella
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Hey SterlingRose57!
Waving backatcha from my bubble in cyberspace...
I hope to read more of you on Project Runway 4 boards!
I wasn't really moved by Jeffrey's collection, but I did get a bit misty when his family joined him after his win.. I saw him on the Megan M talkshow a couple weeks ago and his hair was awful, a jet black blunt cut over some shaving, but his fashions were interesting.
All I can say about his mens' fashions he was wearing was that it seemed the message was that he was taking alot of trouble to look so bad. It was like a "studied ugly" and not the kind of ugly that happens by accident. An ugly not for amateurs which seems sort of reverse-snotty. Like he was saying "I paid good money to disrespect myself and you all by my clothing.." This is designer-ugly!

His womens' fashions are not that bad, but he was wearing a sort of mesh top over long sleeve tee with a random square of fabric over his crotch. I hope it wasn't hiding bling.. more likely zing..
Anywayhow, his pants reminded me of Angelas ugly butt pants, and this is the guy who made the cool trousers for the Macy's challenge! I just didn't "get it".

I don't crossdress, but I'd rather wear an Uli sarong over my boardshorts if she'd make it long enough to hide my wonky knees, and put in a cool bone clasp. {NPI}

notevayas





A "studied ugly"! OMG I love this post! Couldn't have said it better myself, notevayas. Not only does Jeffery look "designer ugly" but he also looks like he hasn't bathed in a couple of weeks. As I'd like to say...he looks like he smells like pee..and maybe touch of B.O.

Anyway, I was disappointed he won the competition. I felt Uli deserved the honor's. In fact I am so disappointed I may not watch season 4. Just disgusted with the way they chose designer's to stay and leave. It was not based on talent but on drama. Ugh!

But I must say if Tim Gunn's run's for President....HE HAS MY VOTE!!!!
surfsalot
The Bravo Boards are deleting posts if they don't like them or show Bravo in a bad light.
tazees
Can not wait for season 4 I am 2 for 3 (Santino should have won) Heidi is my secert love and if oh well
ArtInstigator
QUOTE (digitalcubano @ October 20, 2006 - 01:33 PM) *
Two days later and I still can't believe the final judgement. However, I think I've come to understand the reason for Michael's undue criticsm: his collection was too "ethnic" for the judges. Heaven forbid that a collection be designed for a demographic other than gaunt, pale-faced, caucasian women! Oh no, that would leave Michael Kors' panties in a bunch! That innefectual, milquetoast, aspiring drag queen wouldn't know fashion if it was served to him on a silver platter with fois grois. The same goes for Nina Garcia, whose quintessential "point of view" apparently consists of Jeffrey's Bride of Frankenstein cum Candystriper motif.

Michael had a better shot if he outfitted his models with the Fall collection from The Gap, had them strut out in blackface and prefaced his answers to the judges with a "Yessum."

Perhaps the producers should quit the charade, dress up Heidi in an SS uniform and change the name of the show to Prject Reichland.
dc, if this is another example of your sarcasm and humor, well........I'll pass, thanks!

peace,
AI
aquariaqueen
Ok, I spent my whole 4th of July in front of the television watching Season 3 marathon...........so, so, so disappointed that Jeffery won!!!
IronChef
QUOTE (aquariaqueen @ July 4, 2007 - 10:58 PM) *
Ok, I spent my whole 4th of July in front of the television watching Season 3 marathon...........so, so, so disappointed that Jeffery won!!!


I really thought Uli's designs were both fashionable and wearable, and she proved herself to be more than just a "one-note" designer. Michael's collection was just a little too tight and "hoochie mama" for me, which is sad, because I think Michael is much, much better than that. Laura's collection was predictable, and that's not to say that's a bad thing--it was very glam and full of her trademark, genius beading--but I just don't think many of the looks are wearable beyond the red carpet.

I disliked Jeffrey's attitude throughout the season, but he really was the most innovative, and therefore deserved to win. Having peeked at his latest collection, though, I have to admit to being a little disappointed. Where's the innovation, Jeffrey?

As much as I love the "rock 'n roll" style, I live in Florida, where tight tees and armpits do not mix, and uberfitted pants with "crotch bling" don't necessarily mingle well with the heat. All things considered, I would rather have Uli's collection in my closet, especially this time of year in Tampa.

Lia
JUSTMEAOD
QUOTE (aquariaqueen @ July 4, 2007 - 09:58 PM) *
Ok, I spent my whole 4th of July in front of the television watching Season 3 marathon...........so, so, so disappointed that Jeffery won!!!

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NOT SURE WHY AQUA

BUT THAT'S SOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY laugh.gif

HOPE YOU DID HAVE A GOOD FOURTH THOUGH

TAKING IN SOME OF THE CELEBRATORY ACTION

THOUGH UNSURE OF THE DIRECTION THE COUNTRY IS HEADED

STILL PROUD TO BE AMERICAN

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN
JUSTMEAOD
QUOTE (IronChef @ July 4, 2007 - 10:48 PM) *
I really thought Uli's designs were both fashionable and wearable, and she proved herself to be more than just a "one-note" designer. Michael's collection was just a little too tight and "hoochie mama" for me, which is sad, because I think Michael is much, much better than that. Laura's collection was predictable, and that's not to say that's a bad thing--it was very glam and full of her trademark, genius beading--but I just don't think many of the looks are wearable beyond the red carpet.

I disliked Jeffrey's attitude throughout the season, but he really was the most innovative, and therefore deserved to win. Having peeked at his latest collection, though, I have to admit to being a little disappointed. Where's the innovation, Jeffrey?

As much as I love the "rock 'n roll" style, I live in Florida, where tight tees and armpits do not mix, and uberfitted pants with "crotch bling" don't necessarily mingle well with the heat. All things considered, I would rather have Uli's collection in my closet, especially this time of year in Tampa.

Lia



laugh.gif I GUESS YOU WATCHED EH IC laugh.gif


HAVE TO ADMIT WATCHED PART OF AN EPISODE

MUST HAVE BEEN AN EARLY ONE

CAUSE THAT HOTTIE BLONDE (FORGOT HER NAME LOL) WAS STILL IN THERE

BUT LUCKILY HAD TO DO OTHER STUFF biggrin.gif

A SHORT WALK

ATE SOME STEAK

A LONG WALK

WATCHED SOME FIREWORKS

SLEPT

WOKE UP

NOW HERE LOL

WHAT CAN I SAY PRETTY BORING

BUT VERY RELAXING wink.gif

AND NO TV TODAY

JUST SOME TUNES

HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD FOURTH

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN
aquariaqueen
QUOTE (IronChef @ July 4, 2007 - 10:48 PM) *
I really thought Uli's designs were both fashionable and wearable, and she proved herself to be more than just a "one-note" designer. Michael's collection was just a little too tight and "hoochie mama" for me, which is sad, because I think Michael is much, much better than that. Laura's collection was predictable, and that's not to say that's a bad thing--it was very glam and full of her trademark, genius beading--but I just don't think many of the looks are wearable beyond the red carpet.

I disliked Jeffrey's attitude throughout the season, but he really was the most innovative, and therefore deserved to win. Having peeked at his latest collection, though, I have to admit to being a little disappointed. Where's the innovation, Jeffrey?

As much as I love the "rock 'n roll" style, I live in Florida, where tight tees and armpits do not mix, and uberfitted pants with "crotch bling" don't necessarily mingle well with the heat. All things considered, I would rather have Uli's collection in my closet, especially this time of year in Tampa.

Lia

I agree with you.............

I also had a problem with Jeffrey using the word "irreverent". I hope he just didn't find the word he really was looking for. Because he's right, he doesn't seem to have many manners, and he doesn't seem to care about anyone's feelings. Sad that he thinks that's acceptable. And I guess I hate to reward bad behavior.
max f
Laura is a low life creep. Really, the worst kind of person. Someone does better work, or works harder on their collection and her warped reasoning is that that the person must have cheated. Instead of making this accusation to the person, Jeffery, she goes behind his back to inform the producers. A case study in how to behave with integrity and character. Abhorrent and disgusting.
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