dcben1
October 18, 2006 - 10:17 PM
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[I guess since so many in America are tatooed and slouch around in clothes ready for the dumpster it was obvious Jeffrey would win.
But based on the criteria that is so prevalent on the show, ULI should have won. Her collection was very strong.
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Of course Laura didn't win because Class, refinement and taste NEVER win anymore.
Her collection was the definition of beauty and skill.
It was in my oppinion the BEST collection of all 3 seasons.
Again I will repeat, if it's edgy and aimed at the tatoo generation it is considered good. Anything else is boring and dull.
My how far we have fallen.
Good points. Alas, times have changed. "Fashion" means showing as much skin as possible in as vulgar a way as possible. Just look at what goes down the red carpet these days. Beautiful clothes that are wearable and will appeal to the most people are not acceptable to PR. So what's the point of the show? Can't believe that Nina actually wants a Jeffrey spread in her magazine!
Hey,hey,his Pam Grier outfit was hot!I used to go to a theatre that alternated Kung Fu movies with blaxploitation films,and Michael captured her look very well!But I agree that times have changed.As a kid I read the large size Vogue faithfully.Marisa Berenson,Lauren Hutton,Iman,Betsy Johnson all seemed so larger than life.When did fashion become a weekly TV fix?
Umm. What does the Pam Grier outfit have to do with Jeffrey?
CavalliBoi
October 18, 2006 - 10:17 PM
I love that you said that. How ever fashion houses are businesses and to have a successful business you need a product that will sell. I know that a runway show is suppose to be to display a designer's/artist (they are artist) level of creativity and I do not see it in Jeffery all of his cloths are in old vogue magazines I think Janice and Gia may have wore some of them first. Micheal you and Kara had the same problem your cloths and you were not what they were looking for. Uli on the other hand has made a sarong into a true fashion statement. Jeffery's only had one design that was hot and it was the green and white dress that peppermint patty is probably going to have on for the reunion show. Jeffery just reminds them of there childhood. Plus he redesigned the graduation robes for the mom challenge that is a hard thing to do.
Carole
October 18, 2006 - 10:17 PM
Are models not allowed to smile? they all looked like they hated being there!
Models are walking coathangers. They did not even get paid for this gig.
LaGabberGirl
October 18, 2006 - 10:19 PM
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To criticize the fashions from all the designers is fine and expected. To make remarks about the physical appearance of a designer is childish and tacky. This show is about the look of the clothing, not the designer. Just shows the mentality of the viewing public. The anger and out of control remarks made here tells me that too many people here seriously need to get a life, and a grip. Relax, it's only fashion. Not a life altering event!
Bahahaha! Right on! I totally agree. Even though I thought Uli should've won (and for those of you saying it was about Jeffrey's 'sympathy win' , um what about Uli's upbringing in E. Berlin...do you think she had an easy childhood herself? You ppl. are crazy.)
It's not about the personalities or who was the most well-mannered on the show..it's ABOUT FASHION! Hello! Are any of you in the fashion biz? They're not all 100% angels.
MICHAEL: It does pay to be professional as Michael is, and I love him as a designer, and thought any one of them should've won, but I do believe that Jeffrey's was the most innovative. Sure, Kors might've wanted Michael (and the rest of the country) to win, but I wanted more sporty resort from him myself.
LAURA: Elegant, beautifully done, but I'm glad she didn't win just b/c she spent hours beading her gowns. That would only be three aspects of the voting process in my eyes (effort, cohesiveness, wellmade...just not as different as I would've liked.)
ULI AND JEFFREY: tough decision but well chosen last two.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL! ALL 4 are inspirations (including their life stories) to a aspiring future designer with a life long dream. Thank you!
ladypuss
October 18, 2006 - 10:19 PM
This is a big bunch of phooey. That guy won? No one except maybe someone on drugs would wear his clothes. Oh course I always knew the NY has no taste in clothes. These runway shows are way off the mark for the women of America. Laura's clothes were first class but they were dull baloney. Those judges need a reality check! I for one will not watch next season , a waste of time.....
Pariah164
October 18, 2006 - 10:20 PM
Dude. OMG.
Just... Uli, if it's any consolation, you were ROBBED. You will go MUCH further than Jeffrey in the industry.
note2baby
October 18, 2006 - 10:22 PM
Well It seems Jeffreys mouth got him into trouble,... less than 24 hours before the finale he gave away the results in an interview while demeaning Laura. And Bravo is sueing him.
24kBlondi
October 18, 2006 - 10:22 PM
Umm. What does the Pam Grier outfit have to do with Jeffrey?
Just a boo boo...
Carole
October 18, 2006 - 10:23 PM
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Carol, fashion forward means that the designer thinks outside the box. Laura's designs may be timeless, many of her dresses were beautiful, but she's limited. I wouldn't wear a dress that's 20 years old. Fabric degrades after awhile!
Vintage.
Pariah164
October 18, 2006 - 10:23 PM
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Well It seems Jeffreys mouth got him into trouble,... less than 24 hours before the finale he gave away the results in an interview while demeaning Laura. And Bravo is sueing him.
Link/Proof please.
24kBlondi
October 18, 2006 - 10:25 PM
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Well It seems Jeffreys mouth got him into trouble,... less than 24 hours before the finale he gave away the results in an interview while demeaning Laura. And Bravo is sueing him.
NO WAY!
HAHAHHAHA...what a goober
eyelikepr
October 18, 2006 - 10:30 PM
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I watch the show because I love the creation process. I don't get caught up in the scripted drama. So many here take it personally. How strange.
This show is produced by Hollyweird. Need I say more? LOL Times change, styles change, taste changes. It's a sign of old age if we try to hold on too tightly to the past. There have been elegant classy styles in every generation. It just depends on who's doing the marketing. Style is in the eye of the beholder.
THE MOST SENSIBLE THING I'VE HEARD ON ALL 50 PAGES
eyelikepr
October 18, 2006 - 10:31 PM
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I watch the show because I love the creation process. I don't get caught up in the scripted drama. So many here take it personally. How strange.
This show is produced by Hollyweird. Need I say more? LOL Times change, styles change, taste changes. It's a sign of old age if we try to hold on too tightly to the past. There have been elegant classy styles in every generation. It just depends on who's doing the marketing. Style is in the eye of the beholder.
THE MOST SENSIBLE THING I'VE READ ON ALL 50 PAGES.
I LIKE THE CREATIVE PROCESS AS WELL
CavalliBoi
October 18, 2006 - 10:32 PM
That sounds like him and to be honest is it me or did he seem to calm after Laura accused him i mean this is the guy that said God was drunk when he didn't win and taked about Angela's mom and talked to her worst then he will ever talk to his owe child. In my opinion he seemed scared.
Carole
October 18, 2006 - 10:32 PM
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I got into this show after my spouse forced me to watch it week after week. Now, I am posting out of desperation because it is the only reasonable (though hopelessly slim) chance I have to impart a message that Laura What's-her-name might actually see. My only other option would be to stake out Mid-town, but stalking ain't my style. Now, between Laura and Jeffrey Sebelia, I could really not care less who won. I wish them well, but it's a TV show. Anyway, the crux of my comment is this: Laura is almost certainly personality disordered, and appears to have very deep conflicts about her own competitive impulses. Her denial of her intent to attack Jeffery Sebelia via her accusation about his outsourcing work is stunning and very nearly delusional. As an example, the woman actually said "I never questioned [Jeffrey's] integrity." Is she certain that she understands the phrase she used? In most parts of the Western world, accusing someone of cheating is tantamount to questioning their integrity. As another example, after the announcement that Jeffrey did not cheat, her identification with him ("I was saying 'Jeffrey, don't cry, don't cry' under my breath...") was childishly transparent-- this is a popular tactic used in girl's primary schools. Jesus, if she has good friends, someone among them has to tell her to get a shrink. This "doing/undoing", this ambivalence with hostility, this passive-aggressive tendency fits neatly with her meticulous, aka anally-retentive nature. Definite traits of OCD. So it comes to this: Laura honey, they make meds, they make meds. Try a maximum level dose of Lexapro for 2-4 weeks and see what it does. Might loosen up the jaws... maybe even let you unclench for a while.
If you are going to predicate someone's behavior on a few words they spoke, perhaps we should jump on a couple that you just posted: are you a wannabe stalker? Was that your subconcious desire coming through? And the "Delunsional" part of your screen name? Is that also childishly transparent? You appear to have very deep conflicts about your impulses... this was a very passive/aggressive post on your part.
24kBlondi
October 18, 2006 - 10:34 PM
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That sounds like him and to be honest is it me or did he seem to calm after Laura accused him i mean this is the guy that said God was drunk when he didn't win and taked about Angela's mom and talked to her worst then he will ever talk to his owe child. In my opinion he seemed scared.
I thought he looked a lil freaked too while looking for his receipts....but hey..that could be just "good tv"
I too hate the way the show thinks we're dumb...talking and hyping up Uli..and us knowing right there shes gone....
ARGHHH
UofRedlands
October 18, 2006 - 10:35 PM
Seriously. I cannot believe Jeffrey one. He went OVER BUDGET--he should have been DISQUALIFIED.
This is absolutely riduculous. Jeffrey did not deserve to win. His collection wasn't the best and his attitude was atrocious. He's tacky and COMPLETELY lacks any kind of class.
ANYONE but Jeffrey should have won.
I've watched since the first season and haven't been dissatisfied yet... but I will NOT be watching season 4 or any season produced thereafter, simply because of the MOCKERY that was made tonight.
Ridiculous. Bye-bye Project Runway.
severedangel
October 18, 2006 - 10:37 PM
Speaking of the music, does anybody know who sang the song Jeffrey had and what it was called?
I loved it. And I can honestly say I loved Jeffrey too. He had some stunning outfits I would have bought in a heartbeat if I saw them for sale.
kb3245
October 18, 2006 - 10:37 PM
You can't believe that Nina wants a Jeffrey spread in her magazine??? Did you even look at what Nina wore???? I'm not surprised, at all. And "not in a good way". *LOL* There were a few times I thought I'd puke when I saw what she was wearing. I guess I'm glad that I'm too old to care about 'new' fashion.
It used to be that 'fashion' was timeless, but I guess, no more. To me, Uli should have won (even though Laura was my favorite), Laura 2nd, Michael 3rd and Allison should have been 4th. Jeff should have been gone certainly with the Everyday Woman challenge.
Just my 2 cents worth.
transcribe
October 18, 2006 - 10:38 PM
He won the first season, yeah? So why did he win again? Oh yeah, because it was a hack version of him that the judges understood and felt safe with.
For innovative? Uli. Did you notice that both Jeffrey and Michael used a version of her trademark in their runway shows?? And did you notice, while we're on the subject, that she managed to concretely *trademark herself*? Something none of the other designers managed to do?
So why did Laura not win when she's entirely a version of Carolina Herrera? At least that's a respectable designer with flwless tailoring, but no. The MLCC (mid-life-crisis-crew), voted for the one they didn't understand. "We don't understand it, it must be GREAT" No, it's just disjointed, and a version of every outfit at Forever21 in the mall. What a hilarious joke. Especially when Tim Gunn goes on about the integrity of the show.
Jebus! Breathe some life into that show. Where's Zac Posen when you need him!?!?!? Maybe next year Bea Arthur will be a judge??
Callieme
October 18, 2006 - 10:42 PM
I'm sorry, Uli! You should have won!! No doubt, but you had a big hurdle in beating the oddball. You know, Jeffery, I think the judges were drunk. It wasn't the first PR finale to give that appearance. PR2 was the only realistic finale.
Even Laura's usual beat Jeffery's hooker styles. Michael, you were my favorite before this showing. You have talent and will go far, but Uli pulled out the win.
Oh well, there's other shows that won't pick the social underdog as winners. Judges, you whimped out on this one!
CavalliBoi
October 18, 2006 - 10:42 PM
Oddly I do have to agree with you because the people with the money would invest in some of Laura's designs that is what makes clothes expensive hand stitching, beading, and exotic fabrics and just all together time consuming pieces. I am sure that project runway gets a cut of their sales or something like all of the rest of these shows and which of the winners has done anything so far. I mean they need to let us know. The guy that won last season especially all he does is drive and get on t.v. he is so disgusting and I hated his clothes they looked like a homeless fashions runway show. The point is Laura would sell as a matter of fact they all would sell with one exception.
alphanguy
October 18, 2006 - 10:42 PM
My other big issue with this show is the models are SO skinny! God forbid thye would give the designers a choice of model types to choose from. you know we'll never see a body like that of Raquel Welch or Lynda Carter on that show. So therefore... the creativity of the designers are squelched because they always have to design a dress that will look good on Olive Oyl. Very sad. They don't even have models with a body like Heidi.... at least SHE has some jugs!
indigo218
October 18, 2006 - 10:49 PM
Alright, I am not a fashion expert but whatever criteria the judges employed to pick Jeffrey over Laura and Uli are just beyond me! I never thought he would win, well actually for a split second it came across my mind that the judges would pull off the climax of all follies repeated week after week (by letting Vincent and Angela stay much longer than they should have, the same way with Jeffrey who should have been voted off loooong ago) but I never really thought that the nightmare would come true.
Well, you know what...it indeed DID!! And I am mourning...!!!
I don't know what they see in Jeffrey. I really don't. Uli and Laura made most gorgeous collection. What's wrong with making beautiful, if predictable, clothes if they are just so wearable and amazing to look at? Jeffrey's collection didn't wow me at all. It was so dull. Can anyone enlighten me?
24kBlondi
October 18, 2006 - 10:49 PM
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My other big issue with this show is the models are SO skinny! God forbid thye would give the designers a choice of model types to choose from. you know we'll never see a body like that of Raquel Welch or Lynda Carter on that show. So therefore... the creativity of the designers are squelched because they always have to design a dress that will look good on Olive Oyl. Very sad. They don't even have models with a body like Heidi.... at least SHE has some jugs!
Did anyone find the link that says Bravo is sueing Jeffrey?
indigo218
October 18, 2006 - 10:55 PM
Well, anyway...I think at the end of the day it's clear who the winners are. Laura and Uli have the most selling power and by showing their collection that day they will surely get noticed in a much bigger way than Jeffrey ever will. If innovation means unwearable clothing, I'd rather not be innovative.
Pariah164
October 18, 2006 - 10:55 PM
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Did anyone find the link that says Bravo is sueing Jeffrey?
Nothing yet.
Creditability
October 18, 2006 - 10:56 PM
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Clearly it's not just the damn judges here.
Bingo!!!
I'm clearly late to this discussion (I've quoted a comment from page 40 where I came into it, because the site was so bogged down that that's how long that took to register), however, the comment I quoted says it all to me.
I became aware of Project Runway in season 2. However, it became kind of obvious to me that season that fashion wasn't what drove this show, but what drives TV was what drove this show. Witness the Santino's crapola week after week. One waited week after week to see him get the boot! BUT, ALAIS, HE KEPT GETTING A PASS when he was the obvious choice to get the boot (repeated by the old Stephen ploy that followed on Top Chef). OK, "once fooled. shame on you (Bravo)".
Then came Project Runway season 3. Since I've been sewing longer than Laura, and have almost as many kids, I was intriqued by the trailers. Needless to say, it's shame on me this time, because I let myself be duped, because it's clear to me now that more is at work than the judges and what REAL people actually would want or wear.
The fact that there was a final four here, rather than a final three, when the choice of who to eliminate at that particular point was blantantly obvious, speaks volumes to me - hence my screen name. To me, Bravo, or the forces behind Project Runway (and, who knows, possibly Top Chef), have lost much credibility for me.
I can only hope that Top Chef doesn't dive into the same pit. (I totally thought Harold, early on, was the hands down choice, and I have been waiting for his opening in NYC ever since his win, which, as far as I can tell, hasn't happen yet. However, the final few shows were another bunch of Bravo crapola as far as I was concerned.) Anyway, at this point, well - I'm watching, but who knows. If it's really a TOP CHEF competition, then I'm there. If it's "whoever pays the advertising bills picks the winners", then why bother. It's all hunky-dory that they are sold, but what they REALLLY should be interested in is if WE ARE SOLD, since we're the one's that buy what they're "dishing up", whether it be fashion or food.
So, bottom line is that I'm disappointed and disillusioned that merit and talent are so easlier out-gunned by commercialism in the short run. Hopefully, in the long run, merit and talent will totally out-gun in the market-place those who claim to KNOW HOW WE SHOULD DRESS/EAT (or whatever)!
Uli totally understands what a woman wants to wear in a casual/leisurely setting. Laura totally knows what a woman wants for a formal/romantic setting. Michael understands the sexy/surltry aspect of a woman. However, all Jeffrey understands is Hollyweird and it's offshoots. It's a limited audience, and ulimately, one with limited resources. IOW, the easliy influenced, not thinking, teeny-bopper that soon grows up and out.
All I can say is that Bravo screwed up with this one. My question is - will it continue?
CavalliBoi
October 18, 2006 - 10:59 PM
They always do that I just knew kara had won. Something else I noticed that I hope is just editing Tim seems to help certain people more than others. The saddest thing in the world if one of the big fashion house especially French or Italian would have made the same things it would have been the talk of the town. Last thing Micheal Kors I have never seen you in Saks, or Neiman's where are you mostly Macy's where is his fashion forward designs I want to see his next runway show. I also think that Micheal's designs looked urban I live and Atlanta and I am from New Orleans and I know those of mostly club cloths and the white designs where hot, Laura and Uli it is fine there are more ladies in the world then you think none of them were judging tonight thought it seems, and Jeffery how many times can a person make stretch pants, mini skirts and those studio 54 shirts and be considered fashion foward when have already done the 70's and 80's twice, sorry Micheal you said your designs where 70's but they had a modern twist Jeffery was str8 70's, and Laura was 20ish 30ish Uli was the most creative she went forward where everyone else when back.
MaureenKennedy
October 18, 2006 - 10:59 PM
Being a matronly size 16 and almost 60 years of age, I can truthfully say there wasn't one outfit I could wear shown tonight.
It's absolutely amazing how watching a living presentation of the clothes and seeing how they flow and move can make such a difference in one's opinions of them. Being on the west coast and already knowing Jeffrey won, made me look even closer at his collection as it came down the runway. Now I detest the personality portrayed by Jeff on this show, and hated many of his other outfits. I truly think the judges do not know of backstage activities when they are judging - only Tim and the producers know what is going on.
I think the judges picked the right collection to win, based upon trend setting styling and fitted construction. I had a problem with two of Uli's outfits being rip offs of two outfits Heidi had worn during the show. I also get real tired of "boobie bodice flow" - meaning no structure in the upper half of the dress/outfit. I can't help wondering if it is verboten for models to wear a bra, and can't help wondering how a really firm presentation with no slouching in the backbone would have really made some of the dresses more outstanding.
Now, having said that - did any of you see the absolutely darling dress Chloe was wearing at fashion week. I suppose it caught my eye because my favorite colors were in it.
And lastly - am I the only one outraged that BARBIE DOLL, MATTEL inc chose to have paid advertisements on Bravo? I know Robert worked for them and perhaps went back to them but a child of Barbie doll's age has not business watching Bravo channel! And I am going to email this opinion to them.
LaGabberGirl
October 18, 2006 - 11:02 PM
YEH Where is this link??!! I am googling it. Alright, there is too much drama in here...I'm outie...and I'm right with ya 'jillibean' ..people in here are taking things TOO personal...and you know what that means...that no matter what these 'BYE BYE PR3' fans say..they'll ALL be back for PR4....b/c ppl...that means the producers are doing their job...by reeling you into their lives! bwahahahahahah!
wonderdallas
October 18, 2006 - 11:03 PM
I saw this type of behavior all thru my art school days. Art that was "innovative" was always praised over art that was asthetically much more beautiful. What would happen once the students caught on was art that was simply for shock value but wrapped up in alot of b.s. explainations. I can't tell you how many self portraits of genitals were somehow described as a call for the political reparations plight of aboriginal Australians.
As a test, I once purposely produced the worst piece of crap I could make in 3 minutes, but described the emotional pain I poured into it for 10 minutes. Utter b.s. but boy did the professor eat it up!
Thus my theory of "Arty-er than Tho"
I should have known we were in trouble when Nina trotted out that photo in her office. It was "very" Jeffery but better. Her speech was a hint that she was looking for art to walk the runway and not design.
It's not that Nina ignored the fact that women were begging for Uli's clothes or that Laura's were red-carpet gorgeous......it's BECAUSE they would be popular that Nina is attracted to Jeffery's work. It makes one feel so avant-gard! So, apart from the masses. So unique to see the beauty in things that others don't "get". "I'm SO much more evolved than those middle-class cows." is what I envision going on in her head.
So Jeffery gives us jackets with useless unzipped straps, patterns that will challenge any television's vertical hold and dresses that would only be worn by brawling LA socialites. Basically, Jeffery designed costumes. Perfect for the stage or an Aerosmith video but in no way wearable or desirable for 99% of the female population.
Meanwhile, Uli's designs could be in stores as we speak. Maybe if your bigger than a size 4, her dresses may give you a striking resemblence to Mrs. Roper, but they were beautiful nonetheless.
Laura's were red-carpet aspirational. Most women would never get a chance to wear something like that but I can imagine the DESIRE to. There's nothing wrong with elegance and Laura proves that good taste is timeless.
But alas, Michael and Nina would rather see a canvas with "F-You" written with poop than the Mona Lisa...... because it makes them seem SOOOOOOO interesting and different. So evolved beyond everyone outside their circle, that no one else could understand.
Meanwhile, Michael Kors' designs are so mainstream and Nina's outfits so Banana Republic. Heaven forbid they gamble THEIR money on the "look" they reward.
And for those who are hating on Laura for seemingly having a good income, that's just pathetic. She worked within the same constraints as everyone else. Hell, WITH 5 kids running around! Yet somehow because she can afford to have a large New York loft she's somehow less desirving than anyone else? If she were so snotty as everone thinks, do you think she'd be so openly adoring of the black guy who makes hip-hop hoochie wear? However, Laura made the big mistake of being an out-spoken woman with taste..... so she gets labled as a rich-b!tch. Yet a guy who dogged EVERYONE at every turn is somehow given a break because he's an addict with questionable taste in tattoo placement. Laura's occassional comment was noting compared to the petty a-holeness spewing from Jefferey.
PR, is a great show. All the final winners have atleast been understandable on some level, but the picking of Jeffery this season destroys any faith I have in the judges' ability to be connected to the world most of us live in.
Dallas
clothesmaven
October 18, 2006 - 11:05 PM
Oh yeah! Angela did get what was coming to her. She deserved it all. She and her Mom can go back to Ohio and start making those floweret thingys and leave the rest of the world alone. I have never seen such charades as the two of them pulled. Never again.
EllieMicelli
October 18, 2006 - 11:14 PM
Have a nice day Bravo. Good luck to you and...
Buh-bye.
Lots of little pretentious hugs and faux cheek kisses to all you silly judges. You too Screech (Heidi) and Toad (Jeffrey).
Best wishes with your little Project Runway franchise. Sorry I won't be able to make it next year or any other for that matter. Come to think of it, I'm stunned at how disinterested I am with Top Chef right now. Was so looking forward to the premiere, but the PR judging meltdown caused me to switch over to the Daily Show and I haven't missed it at all or even thought of it till now. Imagine the impending apathy when PR4 rolls around. I'll whisper something like, "yeah I used to watch that show".
Welcome, Bravo, to the Reality Show scrap heap. Have you met Survivor yet. Yeah, she's been here since Boston Rob and what's-her-name conspired to share the money and still won in season whatever. I'll let you all get aquainted. Sorry I have to leave you here, but really, you have only yourself to blame.
Oh, before I forget, kudos to the Bravo editmeisters for pulling off the near-impossible...depicting Jeffrey as a weeping victim. Incredible, if it weren't an oxymoron -- or if it had any basis in reality. Get it, REALITY. Hmmm. What a concept.
I'd like to tell you I'd watch again sometime, but it just wouldn't be right.
clothesmaven
October 18, 2006 - 11:15 PM
I live in California, travel a lot for my job, but I see Jeffrey's clothes everywhere I go in Calif. You simply must see the workmanship...he makes great pants for men and women...sensational. I am not all that young but I could wear his things and be comfortable. Jennifer Lopez and so many others do as well. I say we should all live a little. Life is too short not to have fun with fashion and be daring. I work in parts of the world where fashion is not even considered. Living from day to day is. So go for it and give Jeff a chance.
CavalliBoi
October 18, 2006 - 11:15 PM
I agree with everything that you said however Michael or "the black guy" as you said does not design hoochie wear and just because she liked him does not mean anything rich white people do this all the time so that people don't think they are prejudice or racist. The judges even did it howere they could not let him when, and as a "black man" I am sure he knew that when he went. However people like to hope they will be the one to get through and there talent will out shine there skin, sex, sexuality, age, or class. Why couldn't his cloths be a design for women with great bodies and want to show them. I know as a male that works out I like shirts that show off my chest arms and abs.
CavalliBoi
October 18, 2006 - 11:20 PM
I just look forward to the day when whites would not have to be afraid to not like other races for fear of misconceptions and other races won't have to worry about if the culture is offensive to white or mainstream America
Creditability
October 18, 2006 - 11:20 PM
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I saw this type of behavior all thru my art school days. Art that was "innovative" was always praised over art that was asthetically much more beautiful. What would happen once the students caught on was art that was simply for shock value but wrapped up in alot of b.s. explainations. I can't tell you how many self portraits of genitals were somehow described as a call for the political reparations plight of aboriginal Australians.
As a test, I once purposely produced the worst piece of crap I could make in 3 minutes, but described the emotional pain I poured into it for 10 minutes. Utter b.s. but boy did the professor eat it up!
Thus my theory of "Arty-er than Tho"
I should have known we were in trouble when Nina trotted out that photo in her office. It was "very" Jeffery but better. Her speech was a hint that she was looking for art to walk the runway and not design.
It's not that Nina ignored the fact that women were begging for Uli's clothes or that Laura's were red-carpet gorgeous......it's BECAUSE they would be popular that Nina is attracted to Jeffery's work. It makes one feel so avant-gard! So, apart from the masses. So unique to see the beauty in things that others don't "get". "I'm SO much more evolved than those middle-class cows." is what I envision going on in her head.
So Jeffery gives us jackets with useless unzipped straps, patterns that will challenge any television's vertical hold and dresses that would only be worn by brawling LA socialites. Basically, Jeffery designed costumes. Perfect for the stage or an Aerosmith video but in no way wearable or desirable for 99% of the female population.
Meanwhile, Uli's designs could be in stores as we speak. Maybe if your bigger than a size 4, her dresses may give you a striking resemblence to Mrs. Roper, but they were beautiful nonetheless.
Laura's were red-carpet aspirational. Most women would never get a chance to wear something like that but I can imagine the DESIRE to. There's nothing wrong with elegance and Laura proves that good taste is timeless.
But alas, Michael and Nina would rather see a canvas with "F-You" written with poop than the Mona Lisa...... because it makes them seem SOOOOOOO interesting and different. So evolved beyond everyone outside their circle, that no one else could understand.
Meanwhile, Michael Kors' designs are so mainstream and Nina's outfits so Banana Republic. Heaven forbid they gamble THEIR money on the "look" they reward.
And for those who are hating on Laura for seemingly having a good income, that's just pathetic. She worked within the same constraints as everyone else. Hell, WITH 5 kids running around! Yet somehow because she can afford to have a large New York loft she's somehow less desirving than anyone else? If she were so snotty as everone thinks, do you think she'd be so openly adoring of the black guy who makes hip-hop hoochie wear? However, Laura made the big mistake of being an out-spoken woman with taste..... so she gets labled as a rich-b!tch. Yet a guy who dogged EVERYONE at every turn is somehow given a break because he's an addict with questionable taste in tattoo placement. Laura's occassional comment was noting compared to the petty a-holeness spewing from Jefferey.
PR, is a great show. All the final winners have atleast been understandable on some level, but the picking of Jeffery this season destroys any faith I have in the judges' ability to be connected to the world most of us live in.
Dallas
Hearty laughs and thumbs up!!! You're right on the money!!!
whatnow88
October 18, 2006 - 11:20 PM
Dear Project Runway
I think Jeffery’s winning was a joke. You say his collection was cohesive even though his hideous blue dresses had no place in his collection, and a clothing line isn’t cohesive because you use the same fabric five times. Jeffery’s unoriginal ideal of the “Barbie Wigs” was a testament to how unique he was. His disregard for rules and the light punishment, if not complete lack of true reprucutions for not following them was disappointing to say the least. In my opinion his clothes were frumpy in a cheep thrift store ill-fitting kind of way. I feel less than impressed with the judges’ decisions.
Gay
19yrd
White
Male
California
PS
Oh and Jeffery’s trashing people being a show just proves how trashy this show’s become!
shaggy74
October 18, 2006 - 11:20 PM
Outstanding job Jeffrey! We went from not really liking him and his attitude to pulling for him to win. We hope you go far, and congratulations!
Uli was a close second, and it really could have gone either way. Both were just beautiful, and all four designers were levels beyond last season's designers with the possible exception of Santino.
Jeff's designs were ethereal, and fitted his vision of Japanese ghost stories perfectly. Did you all not see the flowing, misty look even while hanging on the rack? It was amazing.
Uli's showing was gorgeous, but on a personal level, considering Uli's success and lifestyle, I had to weigh more on Jeff's side because of his baby boy.
I'm just shocked at the level of design compared to last season's, considering the upholstery prom dresses that won, along with the showing of the worst of communist fashion from Daniel V. and Santino's less than stellar craftsmanship. Too bad Santino didn't get his fitted better. This season had far better talent than last.
We were disappointed in Michael's collection, and Laura's was expected. Michael's looked like a stripper's wardrobe. All that was missing was the pole and the people in the front row shoving dollar bills at the models. Michael really should have stuck to what he did best, trendy casual. What can you say about Laura? She won the snob niche. There's places for both of their collections, but not tonight.
iMQt
October 18, 2006 - 11:21 PM
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My other big issue with this show is the models are SO skinny! God forbid thye would give the designers a choice of model types to choose from. you know we'll never see a body like that of Raquel Welch or Lynda Carter on that show. So therefore... the creativity of the designers are squelched because they always have to design a dress that will look good on Olive Oyl. Very sad. They don't even have models with a body like Heidi.... at least SHE has some jugs!
OT** This is a delicate topic/thread although IMO - The things we have to worry most about in this country is the Obesity problem - Obesity entails A LOT of complications, from diabetes to heart problems.High Fashion will always be high fashion and even if some thinks that the models are too skinny, this models have been an integral part of this business, I think they go through phases anyway, I won't be surprised If the Cindy Crawford body types will soon be in again - some luscious meat on those skinny bones ;o)
24kBlondi
October 18, 2006 - 11:26 PM
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My other big issue with this show is the models are SO skinny! God forbid thye would give the designers a choice of model types to choose from. you know we'll never see a body like that of Raquel Welch or Lynda Carter on that show. So therefore... the creativity of the designers are squelched because they always have to design a dress that will look good on Olive Oyl. Very sad. They don't even have models with a body like Heidi.... at least SHE has some jugs!
OT** This is a delicate topic/thread although IMO - The things we have to worry most about in this country is the Obesity problem - Obesity entails A LOT of complications, from diabetes to heart problems.High Fashion will always be high fashion and even if some thinks that the models are too skinny, this models have been an integral part of this business, I think they go through phases anyway, I won't be surprised If the Cindy Crawford body types will soon be in again - some luscious meat on those skinny bones ;o)
Please please lets see some luscious meaty models...
then I wont feel compelled to hold my fluffy belly in while watching PR...lol
bluecherre
October 18, 2006 - 11:31 PM
I can't believe how down everyone was on Jeffery and Laura. She had every right to voice her concern. Imagine being in her positiion and not saying anything. I can guarantee it would eat away at you until your dying day. The editors of this show deserve an award for keeping the suspense going. I was so glad for Jeff that he was found innocent of outsourcing. It would have been self-sabotage. I think he is the only one who had something interesting to say. Uli and Laura are great designers but I don't see them risking much or experimenting in the future. If I opened up a magazine to see in the future what each designer created.I feel like I can predict exactly what Uli and Laura will make but not Jeffery. I don't know. None of the designers are earth shatteringly original. But that yellow dress in Paris sold me.
By the way where was Tim Gunn when I was in art school? What a wonderful person.
wonderdallas
October 18, 2006 - 11:37 PM
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I agree with everything that you said however Michael or "the black guy" as you said does not design hoochie wear and just because she liked him does not mean anything rich white people do this all the time so that people don't think they are prejudice or racist. The judges even did it howere they could not let him when, and as a "black man" I am sure he knew that when he went. However people like to hope they will be the one to get through and there talent will out shine there skin, sex, sexuality, age, or class. Why couldn't his cloths be a design for women with great bodies and want to show them. I know as a male that works out I like shirts that show off my chest arms and abs.
Hey, I'm from Atlanta too! Personally I LOVE Michael and was hoping he would win. He's easily the most likable guy on the show and I adored most of his designs thru-out the season. Going into the finale I was rooting for he and Laura. However, his final collection was not a good as I had hoped and for that I'm ok with him not winning. Still he will go far and i look forward to seeing more of his sportswear.
As far as my comment about his "hoochie-wear", that was in response to his own joke about he an Laura's relationship which was shown in a commercial during Top Chef. I personally don't think that. Sorry for the confusion.
That said, I do think he and Laura's friendship is genuine.
Your comments about "rich white people" faking affection or the judges not letting a black man win is disturbing. While I'm aware that discrimination against many different groups exist (hello, I'm gay) to make that comment (about the judges) as a statement of fact is to discount that Michael's collection just wasn't the best. I, as a minority, can NOT let my mind slip into a victimization mind-set everytime things don't go my way..... that would take MY responsibility away and my true power.
I think the fact that Michael won the fan favorite and the poll on who should win undoubtably shows that viewers LOVED him and I seriously doubt all those viewers are black or white people frontin'.
Let's face it, Michael is so popular because he's a nice guy and a great designer. He didn't win because he choked at the last minute. If his runway would have been on par with the challenges he won, I think he would have won. I wanted him to.
Dallas
iMQt
October 18, 2006 - 11:38 PM
Just Jumping in :
Bravo!!! To all of them!!!, I honestly was in tears when Uli's collection was strutting the runway and doing her spiel - She's this season's embodiement of the American Dream , " This woman is a real creative thinker that doesn't take life super seriously " her collection showed some fun but with sweet sophistication, I was really going to bet my arms, leg, and head that she'll win and I glad I didn't otherwise I will be super handicapped - ULI - Your Collection was UBER GOOD!!!
Laura's was really nice too although she missed on the range but other than that, She will be a great evening/cocktail dress designer...I can't imagine her designing urban/hip street wears<VBG>
I was a bit disappointed at Michael's collection but what the heck, I thought mostof it is still pretty darn good - he'll go far, he's still young ;o)
I know for sure that most of the posters are shocked about the decisions made for PR3 Winner. Give Jeff some credit, I know his clothes aren't everyone's cup of tea, but this collection is true to his design and aesthetic and that made it cohesive ( arguably ), I don't wanna bad mouth him eventhough In my heart I wished ULI got this years PR3 Winner Title...but Uli was so gracious and I guess she made me forget the initial notion of unfair judging...........If Uli can be this gracious, why can't we?......again...JMO
EllieMicelli
October 18, 2006 - 11:38 PM
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that no matter what these 'BYE BYE PR3' fans say..they'll ALL be back for PR4....b/c ppl...that means the producers are doing their job...by reeling you into their lives! bwahahahahahah!
The hospital just called.
Your brain is ready.
If you wanna guage the impact of these "ppl", all you have to do is look at the overnight numbers for Top Chef and compare it to last year's TC numbers. This will give you an excellent idea on the conviction of people's cynicism with PR4. I would never stop watching DURING a season, but it's actually quite easy to switch between seasons. PR went from semi-compelling to 'a waste of time' this season, culminating in the joke that was the final two episodes.
I have no problem making Heidi-[expletive deleted] and her merry band PERSONA NON GRATA. No problem whatsoever. Don't kid yourself that it'll be that much of a problem for others to do the same.
Bravo is praying that it won't be that easy, but they did nothing BUT make it easier tonight.
mindofman
October 18, 2006 - 11:40 PM
did anyone else notice that throughout the season, laura never once let the viewer forget about her wealth and glamour and was never seen without some item from louis vuitton but when a katherine ross from lvmh (luis vuitton moet hennesey) was asked her opinion after the four shows, she thought jeffrey offered the best show and was the most innovative....HA! congrats to jeffrey
SimpleBear
October 18, 2006 - 11:47 PM
Jeff won, and he won because he deserved to win. Yes, there was that one bum gown but did anyone, and do mean anyone, approach the vision and creativity of his high spots? I think not!
I loved Uli's show. It was a lot of fun and I think she will do very nicely. It wasn't all the same dress and I loved a lot of it. I hated none of it and that's not nothing.
I loved Laura's a lot less. Yes, it was immaculate, but do you really think anyone wants to look like they're going to a mid 70's Manhattan Transfer show. Too vintage.
I think Michael styled his line well and that almost saved an immature, but still somewhat timely, line from being a train wreck.
That leaves Jeff and I don't think any one of the other designers could match the highs of that zipper dress. I had already seen it and it still took my breathe away. Kudos Jeff.
And a big Jeff rock star salute to you all.
ROTFLMAO
iMQt
October 18, 2006 - 11:51 PM
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This is SUCKFEST 2006!!!!!!!! THE most ridiculous decison ever!!!! Oooooo Jeffrey is so dark, so edgy and I would not WEAR, let alone BUY ONE of his outfits!
Uli is amazing and has a long career in front of her. I will definitely buy her clothes!
The Judges need to get their acts together and stop following such a CLICHE version of what fashoin is...ie, it has to be ugly to be diffferent or innovative...
OMG seems like this night is a bad night to post...lot's of Angry Wolves out there...eeeeeeek...run for your lives...LOL...Peace everyone and chill out,
There's always Season 4 and don't you even say you're not going to watch anymore BECAUSE I AM SO SURE The moment you hear that PR Tune...you'll be programming that TiVo for a season pass of Project Rungay...Runway...oppssss
haji81872
October 18, 2006 - 11:54 PM
I wish that people here would have the same class as the designer did. I think their choice was fine and I accpet their reasoning. There was no big conspiracy. This show is a hit, they don't need it.
The people that say they are never watching again, some saying it over and over, that is fine, but I think most of you will just out of curiosity and get sucked in again.
This show set records and has received tremendous accolades. Look at all of the passion on this board. You don't think that their technique is working? This show will be an even bigger success next year, then it may start to loose it's luster like all reality show do, but for now it is great.
I thought Uli should have won, but I liked all four really. Each with unique perspectives and great designs. I have watched from day one of the first season and will continue to do so.
I wish people could just accept the fact that Jeffrey did not cheat. He went overbudget, but they took care of that just as they did in the first season. Nothing new or sinister there. Why people continue to say "I still think he cheated" is beyond me. They investigated and he didn't, Laura accepted it, I think the rest of us can as well.
Bottom line we all have our favorites and are passionate about it. We all had people we hated. That makes for a great, entertaining TV show. No different then when our favorite team loses in the "Big game" we are mad as hell, shout conspiracy and "my team was robbed." Yet we all come back next year hoping things finally are right.
Kudos to all of the contestants. They have great potential careers in front of them, now they must take advantage of their ten minutes of fame. As Jay said "I know I only have so much shelf life, so I better make the most of it."