pixiesuperfly
October 18, 2006 - 11:57 PM
i went to art school too, and even though i know exactly what you are talking about i disagree. I think to judge an ART piece totally on aesthetic value to like paintings of pink flowers because their pretty. so what if its pretty, does it say anything about what the artist is trying to convey? does it question anything about society? does it question the main stream? does it say anything that really means anything within the scope of the real world? no, because its a stupid pretty picture that the masses can nodd their heads and feel happy that life seems so pretty. Now, on the other hand, work that is total [censored] is annoying too. Like I said, i went to art school and it was annoying when someone put no effort and made crap up and people liked it. excellent art is a combination of skill and idea. and most great pieces of the 20th cent. show this.
So how does this relate to Jeffery? He is great art. He pushes boundries and notions of the pretty barbie doll look (damn those barbie ads) into a funky representation of where we are in style. look around, people wear his look more and more. and he excuted the clothes beautifully. i would totally wear everything he showed. he deserved to win.
that being said, i really liked the other designers as well. i definitley think Jeffery has an additude problem, and i didnt always like what he did on the show, but i think his collection was the best. come to think of it laura has an additude too. but what do you expect guys, it TV. i mean we are living in a world where people want to watch rich brats on tv (laguna beach or paris hilton). could you really expect anything but drama?
but again, i came to look at the art. skill, quality, execution, and if i would wear it factor. i dont give a [censored] about the other drama. and all the designers were good and they will all be succesful. may i remind you this is olympus fashion week.
biteouttalife
October 18, 2006 - 11:57 PM
Hmmm... interesting. Laura calls Jeffrey out for going over budget and/or pulling off exceptional craftsmanship in 2 months, but what are the first things the judges point out about her collection? That it looks like it cost $30,000 (according to Michael and Heidi) and that the handwork/beading, etc. was extraordinary (and, one would think, extraordinarily time-consuming).
I really admired Laura's forthrightness throughout the season, saying what she felt to people's faces rather than cutting them to shreds behind their backs. But it seems she was either the consummate con artist or she got so close to the prize that she panicked and either did the things she accused Jeffrey of (accusing him in order to deflect attention from herself) or saw that his collection was the likely winner and pulled out all the stops to give herself the best possible chance.
I loved Jeffrey's sound bite during one of the commercial spots that was aired during 'Top Chef'. He said something to the effect of, "Try having 6 kids withOUT a rich husband and you might just find yourself in a minivan wearing sweatpants."
Well, I'm just glad Fern Mallis was the guest judge this time and not some Hollywood celeb who doesn't know any more about fashion than what her stylist tells her. Uli had a strong showing, but Jeffrey's collection was clearly the most well thought-out and original. Kudos, Jeffrey!
prrunaddict
October 19, 2006 - 12:14 AM
Accepting the fact the Jeffery did not cheat is something that no one has to do, because it something that can not be proved that it happened or that it didn't happen so I am ignoring that all together. My issue is that I agree with most of the people who believe that his collection was not great, but I feel that the reason that they gave to Laura about her designs and collection being too one-minded can be stated about just about all of the final collections, excluding Michael which although I was really rooting for him to win, I have to admit was not that good. I feel that this was one of the worst decision they have made (considering they kept resurrecting Santino last season with some of the ugliest designs ever seen is a harsh statement), Jeffery collection was not exactly something that you would see any one other than high-end celebrity or teen rock chicks wearing and it is not going to really be going anywhere, if the prize was issued for the most wearable designs I believe that the win should have gone to Uli, who collection was mainstream enough that grandma's would buy pieces but hip enough that the 20-somethings would rock it as well.
patsy4jeffery
October 19, 2006 - 12:14 AM
"How far have WE fallen ???" You obviously consider Project Runway, the judges, the fashinon show a joke. Design competition is to create new "edgy" trends in fashion.
iMQt
October 19, 2006 - 12:14 AM
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That would be Fab, especially if Kayne hold back a bit and not make his evening wear too pageantry, It'll be an UBER Cool showdown
wonderdallas
October 19, 2006 - 12:16 AM
Pixie,
In my statement about art school, I was simplifing the situation to make a consise point. Certainly there are shades of gray and most good art strikes a unique balance. I think we both understand where I was coming from.
That said, I do think many in the arts community place too much emphasis on the "new" instead of the "good" in an effort to seem so evolved.
Fashion in and of itself is about looking good. I know "good" is subjective but c'mon, just look how worn out and nasty Jeffery looked through out the season, not to mention how embarrassingly under-dressed he was at his showing. It HAD to be on purpose that he decided on what he'd wear to Fashion Week. He looked like he'd be setting up the tents, not dressing models. His appearance IS the self portrait of his ass..... daring anyone to question his aesthetic as not "getting it" when in fact, he just wanted to paint his ass for shock value.
That's just my opinion.
Dallas
iMQt
October 19, 2006 - 12:17 AM
I wonder what's season four going to be?
A Super Showdown of select previous designers will be nice!
BRING BACK FRANCO!!!...LOL
prrunaddict
October 19, 2006 - 12:19 AM
I do agree with an aspect of the show is to make edgy designs, but Jeffery collection was only edgy in he fact that he thought it was time to bring 80's prom, which in of itself since fashion is constantly recycling itself is a decision to make but that doesn't mean that the time has come, NO ONE WANTS SHOULDER PADS AND 80'S HAIR TO COME BACK, so why there prom dresses.
patsy4jeffery
October 19, 2006 - 12:36 AM
I believe in all competitions we root for our favorite person or team to win. Obviously eveyone expresses their reasons for liking one collection more than the other, but I don't understand why people keep trashing Jeffery...unless it's because he won. If you noticed, America choose Michael to win by a long shot - Bravo showed the results before the comepition. The winner has to have thick skin because that is who will be attacked. Jeffery can handle it. I wish him well. I've defended him several times because so many believe it was OK that he was accused of cheating. Also, so many accuse him of going over budget when he ended up $400 UNDER BUDGET...he was the only designer who was investigated for his work & budget. He was over by $200 - so HE DROPPED THE WIGS and it put him $4OO UNDER BUDGET...the wigs were bought as an accessory. People resent the fact the judges CHOOSE HIM TO WIN.
brillke
October 19, 2006 - 12:53 AM
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He has his own brand.
It is very successful.
He owns a large manufacturing space in LA.
He said he owns his house.
Do you have a clue to how much that real estate is worth? I bet it is comparable to Laura's co-op in NYC, if not worth more.
He has employees that sew his line for him. According to several other posts, Santino used to work for him.
I hope he didn't cheat and that he remains part of the competition beyond Bryant Park. Although I personally don't like his designs (I didn't like Jay's edginess or Santino's either), it is clear that he has a vision, a focus, and a following. However, the number of people who are willing to look the other way when Jeff says vile things behind other people's backs and vilify Laura for actually having the guts to say things to people's faces is shocking.
exactly true I could not agree more.
Anyway, the time has come and I am now going to cuddle with my boyfriend (he promised to watch this with me) and GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!
vive Laura!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Look - - Tam is going to cuddle with her boyfriend. I'm guessing she is quite young - - - but feels it is OK to personally attack a 60 year old woman as having a superior attitude. Stick to the Designs Tam.
And in the mean time - - my 39 year old husband of 12 years (yes that is 21 years my junior) - - is watching with me and giving his personal critique.
Don't make it personal.
Lol, you want to fight with tam so damn bad, dont ya? Oh, is poor kiddo tam picking on a 60 yr old women? Youve bullied her badly. Why not pick on someone else. Your post is pathetic. Oh, BTW, that my opinion. No board mommies today.
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eyelikepr
October 19, 2006 - 12:54 AM
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Meanwhile, Michael Kors' designs are so mainstream and Nina's outfits so Banana Republic. Heaven forbid they gamble THEIR money on the "look" they reward.
Yeah, where is HIS edge??? He talks a good game, but his designs are strictly glam and mainstream and definately NOT 'cutting edge'. Same with Nina. I agree with you.
I also get what you're saying about 'art'. When I was at the NEW SCHOOL, we had to do a video and then explain it. I watched several people do completely understandable work and then there were the "Darren Aronofsky's"-like people who did this mess and then backed it up with a bunch of mumbo jumbo. So I decided to just do a soft focus shot of a leaf and explain deeper inner turmoil and I got kudos. It was completely bull on my part and not sincere. But they were there to agree with me all the way. Isn't ART suppose to imitate LIFE. How many women need 7 zippers on one dress!!!!
eyelikepr
October 19, 2006 - 12:59 AM
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I agree with everything that you said however Michael or "the black guy" as you said does not design hoochie wear and just because she liked him does not mean anything rich white people do this all the time so that people don't think they are prejudice or racist. The judges even did it howere they could not let him when, and as a "black man" I am sure he knew that when he went. However people like to hope they will be the one to get through and there talent will out shine there skin, sex, sexuality, age, or class. Why couldn't his cloths be a design for women with great bodies and want to show them. I know as a male that works out I like shirts that show off my chest arms and abs.
I'm black and I think I got what she was saying. I don't think it had racist undertones. Maybe not typed out thoughtfully or not as eloquent as you (or I) would like, but I get the meaning of the post.
BTW, not trying to be funny, but it was hard to read what you were saying.
eyelikepr
October 19, 2006 - 01:03 AM
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I agree with everything that you said however Michael or "the black guy" as you said does not design hoochie wear and just because she liked him does not mean anything rich white people do this all the time so that people don't think they are prejudice or racist. The judges even did it howere they could not let him when, and as a "black man" I am sure he knew that when he went. However people like to hope they will be the one to get through and there talent will out shine there skin, sex, sexuality, age, or class. Why couldn't his cloths be a design for women with great bodies and want to show them. I know as a male that works out I like shirts that show off my chest arms and abs.
I'm black and I think I got what he/she was posting. It might not have been eloquent as you (or I) would like and maybe not constructed carefully, but I think I get the meaning.
BTW, I'm not trying to be funny, but it was hard to read your post.
carbar475
October 19, 2006 - 01:11 AM
My 2cents
The show is definitely scripted beyond where people stand etc.
Uli - Saw glimpses of genius throughout the show, but was a 1 note. Runway show was very good, but not much surprise other than having solids.
Laura - exquisite, but again no surprises in theme.
Michael - Believe to my soul he threw it. Don't doubt for a second he's being mentored by Kors right now to get "matured" into all facets for 'growth" in the varying types of fashion. It made no sense of his fabric choices (cheap looking) and the all of a sudden hoochie wear near the home stretch before the finals. His earlier wins showed no such inclinations. The winner was with Inc. a more sportier line which he's already accomplished. He had even advised Kayne that his B&W dress was too hoochie, so why did he turn that way all of a sudden? I believe to be mentored by Kors.
Kors liked him I felt more than the others, and that was too strange for him resorting to the runway looks he displayed.
Tim saw where he was going and never said anything but cohesiveness(?) was needed. Kors or someone I believe offered him a better deal than the "winner prize" for the future.
Jeffrey - A sad figure scripted at the last minute for sympathy pull on viewers to reason the show's choice to win. I'm sure the show was well aware of him being disliked by the viewers. He always had an advantage over the others with working with celebs (a nice boost for Inc. having an established clientele willing to spend) and he has his own workspace etc.
The winner based on runway only should have been Laura or Uli. Total win covering the entire show Michael.
The sad part is Jeffrey will end up being the loser. I have yet to see any clothes mass produced by the winner for public consumption, and Jeffrey does have a spark. The problem is he's been accused of cheating and his personality was so bad it looks like he was rewarded with a win because of his nastiness.
I knew when they had previous contestants state the winner and why and season 1 winner said M.K. and pointed out the previous winners ethnicities that M.K. was going to definitely lose. He never said M.K. would win because of his designs.
I also think the future selected contestants not have the kind of experience Jeffrey had - his shop was a beginner's dream.
PR needs better writers, and the judges scores need to be displayed as well as why they choose the way they do. Being innovative is subjective at best, so explanations should be clearer on more concrete foundations than subjective opinions.
eyelikepr
October 19, 2006 - 01:14 AM
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I agree with everything that you said however Michael or "the black guy" as you said does not design hoochie wear and just because she liked him does not mean anything rich white people do this all the time so that people don't think they are prejudice or racist. The judges even did it howere they could not let him when, and as a "black man" I am sure he knew that when he went. However people like to hope they will be the one to get through and there talent will out shine there skin, sex, sexuality, age, or class. Why couldn't his cloths be a design for women with great bodies and want to show them. I know as a male that works out I like shirts that show off my chest arms and abs.
I'm black and I think I got what he/she was posting. It might not have been eloquent as you (or I) would like and maybe not constructed carefully, but I think I get the meaning.
BTW, I'm not trying to be funny, but it was hard to read your post.
WOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS GOT IN THERE TWICE. PR DEMONS?
brillke
October 19, 2006 - 01:20 AM
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[So I guess when your clothing reaches from the States to Hong Kong, you've failed?
Why the hell are you judging his season-work, it was about his collection, take your amateur opinions elsewhere.
You really have anger-management issues...Amateur?Dont think so.I'll show ya my portfolio anytime,and I truly cant like Jeffrey.Sorry,if I get 'hated' too.
Anger management, get a clue, I typed out a response.
The people who get anger management are ones who don't have control of their anger.
It seems to me that if you're trying to express your "professional" opinion on a board that a bunch of plus-sized woman with their cats read, then you are an amateur.
Whats your kittys name?
brillke
GaryWallace
October 19, 2006 - 01:22 AM
Whew! Just saw the show and boy what a surprise. I'm wondering if Tim Gunn had something to with the outcome.
Here is my Critique.
Uli definitely won. Jeffrey has been innovative but his show was just ok. Michael Kors is what stopped Uli from winning. Uli has a real future. Her clothes were just as innovative as Jeffrey's, but Kors saw something intangible in Jeffreys designs and I don't think it had much to do with collection, but with his past work. I agree that Jeffrey is innovative, but the fact that he went overbudget and that his show wasn't great should of stopped him from winning. Plus, his show wasn't that cohesive. They didn't like two of his outfits and yet, they said it was the most cohesive. It didn't make sense.
Laura was major suprise. I don't care if she is a limited designer. She may be, but clothes like that deserve praise. The woman has got it.Her collection was awesome and my best wishes.
Now for Michael. He is probably the nicest guy I have ever seen on Project Runway but his collection was tacky. It looked like it came from a bubble gum machine. I fealt really sorry for him. You can tell he has not found himself yet. But I'm sure he will. Good things happen to good people. Michael you are good person and a great designer with a great future.
Overall, this season has been a rollercoaster ride and the climax has been a let down. They didn't actually judge the collections, but past work. I agreed with the first two seasons, but I don't agree with this. The best collections were Uli's and Laura's (surprise), yet, the judges didn't seem to care. I liked the guest judge for the last episode, but I think Kors got his way. Uli you got rooked and many people know it.
GaryWallace
October 19, 2006 - 01:34 AM
Are you kidding me? the only way the zipper dress is interesting is if you are 12 inches from it. Yes, it is innovative, but you can't see that from across the room. His collection was just ok.
annmoredonne
October 19, 2006 - 01:36 AM
"Long time listener; first time caller" and all that.
I will never watch this show again.
missLILY
October 19, 2006 - 01:41 AM
ughh i hate this. ULI SHOULD OF WON >< Everyone LOVED her........ ugh ugh dsjdiosajdioasjsdajopdsa i hate jeffrey
GaryWallace
October 19, 2006 - 01:51 AM
I don't hate Jeffrey, but he didn't deserve to win with that collection. I love Japanese ghost stories, but those clothes weren't first place material. I really think the judges made a mistake. We all saw the collections. There was nothing really standout in his collection. I love what he did with the final piece, but unless your 12 inches away from it, you can't see all the zippers. The decision didn't make any sense based on the collections. Uli won hands down! Jeffrey was probably third, behind Laura.
brillke
October 19, 2006 - 01:54 AM
Well, its over. Cant say Im surprised at how things ended.
Jeffrey, uh ok. I did like some of the things in his collection. Others, not so much. Some were just foul. Am I the only one who thinks its funny that Jeffrey suddenly has such a large following? Where were they the other 13 episodes? Also, why is it "jeffrey speaks his mind" but "Laura is a [expletive deleted]" and they do the same things? They both express their opinions yet somehow Jeffrey is cool for doing it? Good luck Jeffrey, as it was said earlier, karmas a [expletive deleted].
Laura, your collection was stunning. Each piece was better then the next. My only complaint about your designs is your fabric choice. Try something other then the exact same black lace. Isnt it funny so many Jeffrey lovers are like F Laura yet he watched the show at your place? Oh, and loved your music.
Uli, I liked your collection much more then I thought I would. It looked better on the models then it did in the Getty images. How can the judges love your collection, say its what women want to wear,dis two of Jeffreys, yet he wins? It should have been you or Laura winning but youll go far.
Michael, man I so wanted your stuff to look better then it did in the pictures, but it didnt. Your young, you will be huge.
How odd was it the judges said they loved Lauras design but it was too limited but tell Jeffrey his collection was innovative? I would say his look is as limited, if not more, then Lauras by far.
Theres been so much crap on the boards with all the Jeffrey lovers trashing anything and everyone. Maybe since their guy won, they will chill a bit. Ha, who am I kidding. Oh well, its over. Jeffrey won.
brillke
teri72
October 19, 2006 - 01:55 AM
Soooo disappointing. Rewarding Jeffery for his bad behavior, and horrible so-called cutting-edge designs. Jeffery is the KING of backstabbers, always talking hatefully about others work. Laura doesn't hold a candle to his nastiness. Heidi made a comment on a talk show earlier this week that lead me to believe she thought Laura was jealous. Laura has more talent in her little finger than Jeff. Her style is just more refined and tailored. I knew it was over for Laura after listening to Heidi. The messenger always gets slain.
Uli DESERVED to win and was cheated. Not only was her runway show CLEARLY the best, her runway designs are averaging the best score on "Rate the Runway". I just wish the judges would have not discouraged her away from her signature use of COLOR! The "Rate the Runway" averages put Jeff clearly in last place as of 2:30 AM PT. Laura took second and Michael took third.
My choice was Uli, Laura, Jeff, and ,sadly, Michael. Laura's work was good but needed more depth.
Laura had every right to question Jeff's work. How does looking at his receipts answer the question about his not doing the required work himself? What keeps him from farming the work to unpaid helper friends? With his background as an ex-addict, I would find it difficult to ever trust him completely. I have worked in a prison and I agree with Laura that Jeffery's behavior after her confrontation was suspicious. I suspect Laura had some "inside" information which led her to make the accusation, but it's just a guess.
They need to tighten the rules to insure that once a rule is broken, a penalty is assessed instead of allowing changes to be made. I don't think Jeffery should have been allowed to win in light of his violations. He should have shown, but not been rewarded for his poor behavor at every turn of this show. Yes, PR gave Jeff the exposure and win but what he did not win is respect. What a creep!
maryarm1272
October 19, 2006 - 02:04 AM
I agree, Jeffrey's clothes DO make even the models look large. He puts the waist too high up, so then the dresses flare out and leave no shape - or something. I like what he does, in theory, but I would never wear it...at least not his dresses.
Boomette
October 19, 2006 - 02:08 AM
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I pick Tim Gunn to win. lol
Hmm - bet she has a riding crop, too. AHA!! - I KNEW she was a Dominatrix!!
SafetyPinndSally
October 19, 2006 - 02:20 AM
I haven't been here in awhile because I've been so busy and because it's become obvious that this has become a place for trolls and troll-bashing alike and I don't need that drama in my life.
Congrats to Jeff, the right person finally won this year, in my eyes atleast. Ya know, it's funny how every year people constantly say that they will no longer watch the show because their person did not win. Well loves, this is a competition and not everyone can win. The judges obviously saw something in Jeff and thought he deserved it the most. Not because of pity, as most would say, no, because he is a great designer, agree with him and his actions or not, but ya'll can't deny he's good at what he does.
So, for all of you who have said you will stop watching, do you REALLY think that's going to make much of a difference to either the network or the show? MY guess is no. You're just another face in the crowd, no one special really, just a bunch of whining viewers who didn't get their way this time. Go ahead, don't watch, I highly doubt it's going to make a huge impact on anything besides your cable bills.
LaGabberGirl
October 19, 2006 - 02:20 AM
Yeh, but that is sort of the reality of reality...these 'ppl' make this into a soap opera, and that is when the reality is less of a reality and then kills it. Who knows how much the producers have a say in who wins or loses and sways the judges decision, but I'm just tired of the complaining based on personality ..if it is the producers who are messing w/our minds then that is a SAD SAD fact, if not, then I still am w/the judges decisions w/Jeffrey. It was a close win.
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If you wanna guage the impact of these "ppl", all you have to do is look at the overnight numbers for Top Chef and compare it to last year's TC numbers. This will give you an excellent idea on the conviction of people's cynicism with PR4. I would never stop watching DURING a season, but it's actually quite easy to switch between seasons. PR went from semi-compelling to 'a waste of time' this season, culminating in the joke that was the final two episodes.
I have no problem making Heidi-[expletive deleted] and her merry band PERSONA NON GRATA. No problem whatsoever. Don't kid yourself that it'll be that much of a problem for others to do the same.
Bravo is praying that it won't be that easy, but they did nothing BUT make it easier tonight.
dame
October 19, 2006 - 02:24 AM
I agree Laura and Uli have shown nothing but class all the way through the series.
I have never seen so much bleeping of cuss words as comes from MIchael and Jeffrery.
I would not buy clothes from either. I think if Keith was set up then one of the guys did it. I think Jeffery's recycle dress was not all recycled since he used muslin from the room and should have been disqualified weeks ago. I also think when the judges couldn't decide between Jeffery and Michael both should have been let go. Not rewarded with a showing.
Both Michael and Jeffrey will sell to a basic cliantel, but Laura and Uli can sell theirs to anyone. JMO
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October 19, 2006 - 02:25 AM
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lol, talk about a complete lack of class.
She raised her concerns he was cleared that was it. There were far more examples of lack of class from Jeff throught the season BTW.
except for the fact that she was utterly and totally WRONG. and jeffrey was visibly upset by the whole thing. anyone with any class knows that deserves an apology.
If he wasn't so disorganised with his recipts he wouldn't have had to sweat it. And this is just me but it struck me as a bit overly dramatic. He does know he's on TV ya know lol
Why should anyone apologize to Jeffrey for anything? He spent the entire season trashing everyone, and never showed a particle of contrition to Angela's mom, or anyone else. Good, competent designer, wretched human being. If he'd try and even fake respect for other people, they might respond to him better.
Reject_Runway
October 19, 2006 - 02:28 AM
I had hoped last season's Chloe win was a fluke. Sadly, Jeffrey's win confirms what I had begun to fear: that Project Runway isn't a design competition at all, but rather is a personality-driven soap opera set in the world of fashion design.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Compared to dreck like "The Real World" I have to admit PR offers more interesting drama than most "reality" shows. But it's a mistake to label it a "fashion" or "design" show. Parsons School of Design should be embarrassed at being associated with Project Runway, and poor Tim Gunn is turning out to be little more than an elderly Eric Nies, the way he is clinging to the show at the expense of his dignity or credibility. I suppose BRAVO is paying him well, though -- and I suppose Parsons likes the prospect of attracting more students like Jeffrey, rather than like Michael or Laura or Uli.
Please, producers, don't "carry on". I don't think you can "make it work" much longer.
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October 19, 2006 - 02:39 AM
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Jeffrey, uh ok. I did like some of the things in his collection. Others, not so much. Some were just foul. Am I the only one who thinks its funny that Jeffrey suddenly has such a large following? Where were they the other 13 episodes? Also, why is it "jeffrey speaks his mind" but "Laura is a [expletive deleted]" and they do the same things? They both express their opinions yet somehow Jeffrey is cool for doing it? Good luck Jeffrey, as it was said earlier, karmas a [expletive deleted].
Laura, your collection was stunning. Each piece was better then the next. My only complaint about your designs is your fabric choice. Try something other then the exact same black lace. Isnt it funny so many Jeffrey lovers are like F Laura yet he watched the show at your place? Oh, and loved your music.
Uli, I liked your collection much more then I thought I would. It looked better on the models then it did in the Getty images. How can the judges love your collection, say its what women want to wear,dis two of Jeffreys, yet he wins? It should have been you or Laura winning but youll go far.
Michael, man I so wanted your stuff to look better then it did in the pictures, but it didnt. Your young, you will be huge.
How odd was it the judges said they loved Lauras design but it was too limited but tell Jeffrey his collection was innovative? I would say his look is as limited, if not more, then Lauras by far.
Theres been so much crap on the boards with all the Jeffrey lovers trashing anything and everyone. Maybe since their guy won, they will chill a bit. Ha, who am I kidding. Oh well, its over. Jeffrey won.
brillke
Brillke you took my post away from me! No need for me to post as that is just what I was going to say.
I thought Laura's was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I thought Uli's was almost as beautiful, but more diverse, and I thought Uli should have won if Laura was to be faulted for staying within a range. I think like you if Laura had included a swimsuit, and replaced one spider dress with something lighter, she would have won.
I adored Uli's collection, I was prepared for it to be a bit worse than Jeffrey's based on photos but to me it was amazing, and I loved her music.
This doesn't mean Jeffrey's collection was trash, it was excellent and merited a win on its own and I congratulate jeffrey, for his collection.
I loved what Heidi said about Laura's incredible collection and I think all three will go far.
Seeing Michaels true personality in the videos, I have always suspected he was perhaps a limited man and he will perhaps end up designing hip hop or hooker clothes forever. I think he has talent but his taste level, if left to his own devices, if frankly lower even than Kaynes. He is apparently a better BS'er than even Keith was.
deb523
October 19, 2006 - 02:40 AM
Congratulations Jeffrey & congrats to the judges for making a good decision this year. Jeffrey deserved to win & Laura should have been thrown off the show for trying to cheat him out of his victory. . .hope she has triplets!!!!! She can design little gowns for them cause no one else would wear her crap.
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October 19, 2006 - 02:41 AM
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It's official.
I hate Project Runway.
Yeah, so do I.
Add me to the list. I don't know if I am going to watch next season. They pissed me off tonight. Big Time! I really believe Jeff cheated. There were too many issues with him.
I don't hate PR, but I'm SICK TO DEATH of being manipulated every week! Maybe I'll feel better by the time season 4 starts. There was so much drama, and not enough design and creative process, which is fascinating, if presented properly. They didn't manufacture the controversies - they had a very fractious group to deal with - but they milked it way too much. If I wanted nothing but head games and incessant infighting, I'd watch Survivor or one of its clones.
Motto for next season: LESS TRASH, MORE CLASS!!
Tankthemoroncat
October 19, 2006 - 02:45 AM
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YES! Jeffrey deserved to win!!!!!!
This is not a popularity contest - - or a pretty contest - - or an elegant contest.
This is a best innovative with a future design contest.
And that is Jeffrey.
It means nothing that you hate him.
EXACTLY!!!!!! I can't believe how many people are so narrow-minded and thinking about this on a television show level. This is serious business! Fashion design is not about who we like but where fashion is going and what's going to take it there!
pjcedar
October 19, 2006 - 02:46 AM
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! i
I'm sorry I cannot watch this show anymore. I really dont understand why they pick the winners that they do.
jitteryjewel
October 19, 2006 - 02:58 AM
So many new posters and the show is over LOL! I agree where was anyone for or against Jeffrey before!
We I am happy Jeffrey won (big surprise right LOL!) but I was surprised. I really thought Uli was going to win by the way everyone received her line. So here is my take on the finale collections:
I really did like Laura's collections from the stills but seeing them looking stiff and bunching in places when the models moved really disappointed me. I really liked her concept. I am a huge classic Hollywood fan and love the glamour and elegance of the designs. I did get where the range thing though. I completely agree that where as almost all of the pieces have a timeless and classic quality so it's really investment style clothing as far as buying a piece and having it for a long time, but I think she just didn't prove her range. I think if she would have thought of the movement more and added some everyday casuals the judges would have better received her.
Michael I actually liked his collection more when I saw it flow. Everything looked crisp and fresh but as for innovation I think he could have done better. I do think Michael needs to grow more and I do think someday he will be kicking major butt if he stays the course. The major problem I have after seeing his collection is really a flaw in personality. Michael is a very nice guy but I really think what killed him was his lack of being able to hold his own. He has really great instincts when he does his thing but I think he is so timid and unsure of himself he was following the crowed. I realize that the Pam Grier fashion was the most well received of all his pieces and I honestly think that’s why he chose the direction his collection went in. I think he was trying to make people happy instead of standing on his own. He really let Laura lead him by the hand on some stuff and I think he regretted going along for the most part. I still like Michael but I think he needs to stick up for his own voice and not care so much about what others are thinking.
Uli I think was a very stand up gal. Not just because she stood up for Jeff but because she held true to herself. Her pieces I think moved the best and looked the most comfortable. She did a good job and though I wasn't to fond of the last few long dress pieces I think she went to the mat to defend her perspective. There isn't much I can say bad about her collection but I will admit I fell out of my chair laughing when she said her collection was influenced from where she lived. I just had to say "Of course it is dear!" as if by this time we were not aware that she comes from Miami.
Jeffrey I love anyway and caught hell for it last night. My dad is a big Michael fan though he didn't dislike Jeffrey. (I have to admit though my dad likes animal prints and hoochie momma outfits too! So take that for what it's worth LOL!) He already knew I was voting for Jeff but I actually doubted he would win. Not because I didn't like his collection. I would wear just about everything he sent down the runway if I had the figure to do so. I really thought that they would throw the book at him for going over the budget. I really held my breath when ever Nina was the last to comment. I was having flash backs to santino getting chewed up and spit out by her. The outcome was pleasant to me but surprised me.
I really would have been happy if Uli would have won or even Michael (I think it was such a mistake for him to blurt out his inexperience and use it as an excuse. I think the judges really just gave up on his perspective and went with his admission. I would have liked it if he fought to hell for his line. This also makes me think he really didn't follow his own instincts and let to many other sources influence the direction.) I am the sap that got teary when Jeffrey got the announcement to say he was safe. I can't believe Uli told Laura that she made Jeff cry. I think it made her and Michael feel bad.
My biggest grievance with Laura was this: The comment she made about not doubting Jeff's integrity was so two faced sounding. It sounded like she was back pedaling on the accusation. When you accuse someone of cheating you are saying that they don't adhere to a moral code, which is the whole base for integrity. I agreed she was fully right to question him if she thought he had cheated but she should have stood her ground. That disappointed me most.
Well it's over! I knew Jeffrey haters would be coming on and showing their dismay. I actually did agree with what the judges said this year and actually had made most of the same comments prior to the judging. I did also appreciate the guest judge. I was like thank you PR for giving us someone worthy of a design finale opinion. With all that said see ya'll next year or on the TC board it's been fun!
DebraDenise
October 19, 2006 - 03:05 AM
Unlike Seasons 1 & 2, PR's Season 3 finale a NON EVENT! You have got to be joking, Jeffrey won???
IMoverit
October 19, 2006 - 03:11 AM
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Well, its over. Cant say Im surprised at how things ended.
Jeffrey, uh ok. I did like some of the things in his collection. Others, not so much. Some were just foul. Am I the only one who thinks its funny that Jeffrey suddenly has such a large following? Where were they the other 13 episodes? Also, why is it "jeffrey speaks his mind" but "Laura is a [expletive deleted]" and they do the same things? They both express their opinions yet somehow Jeffrey is cool for doing it? Good luck Jeffrey, as it was said earlier, karmas a [expletive deleted].
Laura, your collection was stunning. Each piece was better then the next. My only complaint about your designs is your fabric choice. Try something other then the exact same black lace. Isnt it funny so many Jeffrey lovers are like F Laura yet he watched the show at your place? Oh, and loved your music.
Uli, I liked your collection much more then I thought I would. It looked better on the models then it did in the Getty images. How can the judges love your collection, say its what women want to wear,dis two of Jeffreys, yet he wins? It should have been you or Laura winning but youll go far.
Michael, man I so wanted your stuff to look better then it did in the pictures, but it didnt. Your young, you will be huge.
How odd was it the judges said they loved Lauras design but it was too limited but tell Jeffrey his collection was innovative? I would say his look is as limited, if not more, then Lauras by far.
Theres been so much crap on the boards with all the Jeffrey lovers trashing anything and everyone. Maybe since their guy won, they will chill a bit. Ha, who am I kidding. Oh well, its over. Jeffrey won.
brillke
Brillke you took my post away from me! No need for me to post as that is just what I was going to say.
I thought Laura's was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I thought Uli's was almost as beautiful, but more diverse, and I thought Uli should have won if Laura was to be faulted for staying within a range. I think like you if Laura had included a swimsuit, and replaced one spider dress with something lighter, she would have won.
I adored Uli's collection, I was prepared for it to be a bit worse than Jeffrey's based on photos but to me it was amazing, and I loved her music.
This doesn't mean Jeffrey's collection was trash, it was excellent and merited a win on its own and I congratulate jeffrey, for his collection.
I loved what Heidi said about Laura's incredible collection and I think all three will go far.
Seeing Michaels true personality in the videos, I have always suspected he was perhaps a limited man and he will perhaps end up designing hip hop or hooker clothes forever. I think he has talent but his taste level, if left to his own devices, if frankly lower even than Kaynes. He is apparently a better BS'er than even Keith was.
Hopefully the sucess of Jeffrey over Laura relates only to his line and not to his personality.... One thing I haven't liked about the format of the show had been that a skilled sewer had such an advantage over an idea person....If you look at the fashion industry the successful designers use skilled craftspeople to execute their designs.... Whether Jeffrey had done so for his collection I still am not sure... I certainly would not think it was fair... Nevertheless, there was something icky about Laura exposing Jeffrey...I think it hindered Laura's overall image in the end... I also thought there was something icky in Uli's response to the Jeffrey accusations... I don't get her hugging him etc... I really don't think he deserved it..... I think it may have hindered Uli in th end.... I also didn't think MIchael's general passivity towards the situation helped him either, yet, had his collection been stronger I think he would have benefited... That leaves Jeffrey who appears to have had his mind on "design" rather than other people's legitimacy (Laura) or anguish (Uli)... I never thought Laura could win the competition.... Her client base is an extremely narrow cocktail party jetsetting circuit....Uli could have won, in my opinion had she maintained her independance and not glommed onto Jeffrey's crocodile tears (although Michael K.pointed out that her collection was not so cohesive as Jeffrey's which I didn't really see as true)....Michael is an dynamic character with an extremely popular viewpoint, with moments of brilliance but, who definitely needs seasoning. Although Jeffrey wins the money, I would be more interested in purchasing any of the other designer's creation.... I guess I am not Madonna...
maryam
October 19, 2006 - 03:15 AM
Uli should've won and that's all I have to say.
hootie1fan
October 19, 2006 - 03:21 AM
Most people seem to fit imnto these catagories:
1. Jeffrey haters - they can't stand any of his designs and are offended by every breath he takes.
2. Jeffrey lovers - they think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and can't conceive even among overwhelming evidence that he is capable of doing anything other than 100% wonderful work. Anyone who suggests otherwise is simply jealous.
3. The rest of us - He's good, but even Jeffrey has flaws.
I think Jeffrey has done some really "interesting" work. Most of his designs would never make it in middle America, but that's not the point.
I also believe that given the time constraints, the other line that Jeffrey was working on for his store, his results vs. the other designers in previous challenges and the amount of work the others had to do at the end of this last one vs. the seemingly lack of needed finishing touchs despite the increased intricacy of his line lead me to one conclusion:
Jefrey S had help. That's not a bad thing. Designers in the real world get others to do their sewing all the time, but since when has Project Runway ever been about the real world? Now according to "The Rules" having help is a big no no, but if the producers want to forgive it that is their business. I still think he cheated.
tamarinden
October 19, 2006 - 03:30 AM
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So many new posters and the show is over LOL! I agree where was anyone for or against Jeffrey before!
We I am happy Jeffrey won (big surprise right LOL!) but I was surprised. I really thought Uli was going to win by the way everyone received her line. So here is my take on the finale collections:
I really did like Laura's collections from the stills but seeing them looking stiff and bunching in places when the models moved really disappointed me. I really liked her concept. I am a huge classic Hollywood fan and love the glamour and elegance of the designs. I did get where the range thing though. I completely agree that where as almost all of the pieces have a timeless and classic quality so it's really investment style clothing as far as buying a piece and having it for a long time, but I think she just didn't prove her range. I think if she would have thought of the movement more and added some everyday casuals the judges would have better received her.
Michael I actually liked his collection more when I saw it flow. Everything looked crisp and fresh but as for innovation I think he could have done better. I do think Michael needs to grow more and I do think someday he will be kicking major butt if he stays the course. The major problem I have after seeing his collection is really a flaw in personality. Michael is a very nice guy but I really think what killed him was his lack of being able to hold his own. He has really great instincts when he does his thing but I think he is so timid and unsure of himself he was following the crowed. I realize that the Pam Grier fashion was the most well received of all his pieces and I honestly think that’s why he chose the direction his collection went in. I think he was trying to make people happy instead of standing on his own. He really let Laura lead him by the hand on some stuff and I think he regretted going along for the most part. I still like Michael but I think he needs to stick up for his own voice and not care so much about what others are thinking.
Uli I think was a very stand up gal. Not just because she stood up for Jeff but because she held true to herself. Her pieces I think moved the best and looked the most comfortable. She did a good job and though I wasn't to fond of the last few long dress pieces I think she went to the mat to defend her perspective. There isn't much I can say bad about her collection but I will admit I fell out of my chair laughing when she said her collection was influenced from where she lived. I just had to say "Of course it is dear!" as if by this time we were not aware that she comes from Miami.
Jeffrey I love anyway and caught hell for it last night. My dad is a big Michael fan though he didn't dislike Jeffrey. (I have to admit though my dad likes animal prints and hoochie momma outfits too! So take that for what it's worth LOL!) He already knew I was voting for Jeff but I actually doubted he would win. Not because I didn't like his collection. I would wear just about everything he sent down the runway if I had the figure to do so. I really thought that they would throw the book at him for going over the budget. I really held my breath when ever Nina was the last to comment. I was having flash backs to santino getting chewed up and spit out by her. The outcome was pleasant to me but surprised me.
I really would have been happy if Uli would have won or even Michael (I think it was such a mistake for him to blurt out his inexperience and use it as an excuse. I think the judges really just gave up on his perspective and went with his admission. I would have liked it if he fought to hell for his line. This also makes me think he really didn't follow his own instincts and let to many other sources influence the direction.) I am the sap that got teary when Jeffrey got the announcement to say he was safe. I can't believe Uli told Laura that she made Jeff cry. I think it made her and Michael feel bad.
My biggest grievance with Laura was this: The comment she made about not doubting Jeff's integrity was so two faced sounding. It sounded like she was back pedaling on the accusation. When you accuse someone of cheating you are saying that they don't adhere to a moral code, which is the whole base for integrity. I agreed she was fully right to question him if she thought he had cheated but she should have stood her ground. That disappointed me most.
Well it's over! I knew Jeffrey haters would be coming on and showing their dismay. I actually did agree with what the judges said this year and actually had made most of the same comments prior to the judging. I did also appreciate the guest judge. I was like thank you PR for giving us someone worthy of a design finale opinion. With all that said see ya'll next year or on the TC board it's been fun!
actually watch the bonus video. Laura said clearly that she DID question Jeffrey's integrity.
Laura would have won with just a few changes to her collection, but she didn't and I think Uli should have won in her stead. Laura is the true genius here tho and if you pay attention to what Heidi said to Laura, it was almost apologetic that Laura didn't win because Laura's workmanship is beyond beyond.
I honestly Laura went there to present her POV and that she did and will be BIG in this business.
Boomette
October 19, 2006 - 03:33 AM
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I'm sorry to burst all you Jeffrey fan's bubbles, but the only reason he remained on the show is becuase of the producer's power. The final decisions of judging all had to go through them, and Jeffrey being the person he is, cuases lots of drama, which makes good TV, thus leading to more money for them. I'm not saying he cheated, which i don't think he did, but his designs were not his best. Yes he is messed up, but boo-hoo millions of others have been through what he has, the only difference is that they aren't on Project Runway. Plus he's not the only one who's been through a lot, look at Uli, and look at where she grew up, she's living the American Dream.....So basically Jeff should not have won.
My thoughts exactly! I had a fleeting thought that if Uli had mentioned earlier that she grew up in East Germany under Communist rule, SHE could have won!
I do have sympathy for Jeff, and admire his accomplishments. But EVERYBODY has had challenges to overcome. Kayne growing up gay in the South; Michael a black Army brat who wanted to be a designer(probably how he became so good at avoiding conflict); Angela living in Crunchy Granola Land on a farm, and dreaming of doing couture; probably even Laura's life hasn't been picture perfect - hell, having the guts and energy to try a totally new career in your 40's - with 5 KIDS??
Jeff has overcome a lot; but he's certainly not unique in that respect, and nobody else milked it like he did.
brillke
October 19, 2006 - 03:33 AM
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YES! Jeffrey deserved to win!!!!!!
This is not a popularity contest - - or a pretty contest - - or an elegant contest.
This is a best innovative with a future design contest.
And that is Jeffrey.
It means nothing that you hate him.
EXACTLY!!!!!! I can't believe how many people are so narrow-minded and thinking about this on a television show level. This is serious business! Fashion design is not about who we like but where fashion is going and what's going to take it there!
I dont hate Jeffrey. I dont care for his designs for the most part. I think he made a whole lot of fugly the entire season. But, this is REALITY TV. Of course we judge him by his personality, as well as his designs. As for all the hate, I suggest going back to the 313 thread and count all the "Laura is a [expletive deleted]/is jealous/should be kicked off/" etc... type things stated by the Jeffrey supporters vs. the non Jeffrey fans. Im not happy Jeffrey won but nothing I can do about it. It is what it is,
brillke
fashion_guru
October 19, 2006 - 03:41 AM
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So while Jeffrey should've been gone at 4th with his milkmaid dress, he moves on.
And it looked like he did a whole line of milkmaid dresses for the show. I don't understand how they hated it so much before, but when he does a whole line of them, suddenly it's innovative?
Japanese ghost and dreams my as* -> It's more like Japanese nightmares!
tamarinden
October 19, 2006 - 03:44 AM
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YES! Jeffrey deserved to win!!!!!!
This is not a popularity contest - - or a pretty contest - - or an elegant contest.
This is a best innovative with a future design contest.
And that is Jeffrey.
It means nothing that you hate him.
EXACTLY!!!!!! I can't believe how many people are so narrow-minded and thinking about this on a television show level. This is serious business! Fashion design is not about who we like but where fashion is going and what's going to take it there!
I dont hate Jeffrey. I dont care for his designs for the most part. I think he made a whole lot of fugly the entire season. But, this is REALITY TV. Of course we judge him by his personality, as well as his designs. As for all the hate, I suggest going back to the 313 thread and count all the "Laura is a [expletive deleted]/is jealous/should be kicked off/" etc... type things stated by the Jeffrey supporters vs. the non Jeffrey fans. Im not happy Jeffrey won but nothing I can do about it. It is what it is,
brillke
I think if Fern Mallis had her way, Laura would have won.
But all the judges agreed that Laura's collection looked like 30.000 $ not 8.000 $.
Tim in his podcast speaks that the tone of these podcast because their seemed more respect for all four designers as opposed to previous years.
According to him, the judges felt Uli was not cohesive enough, and that Laura was too focused (except Fern Mallis who reputedly said that Laura's focus shouldnt have been held against her).
Laura is NOT limited. I wish the Jeffrey nuts who dont know fashion at all would stop saying that. Fern Mallis certainly thinks Laura is just focused and more power to her!
Anyway, Jeffrey won and that is fine with me on a purely fashion level. He has the personality of a dead goat, and the breeding of a goat in heat, but he can do clothes.
jitteryjewel
October 19, 2006 - 03:52 AM
Tam- The integrity part is what threw me because she said clearly in the finale that she wasn't questioning his integrity then she turned around and said she was right? She said "I am not questioning your integrity." That made me scratch my head.
I do love where she is coming from as far as the classic Hollywood Glam. I love Ginger Rogers and Audrey Hepburn just to name a few. (I've always loved Ginger a little more because of her siloutte and classic beauty) My Mom and I can watch the classics for ever. I wish we all dresses that way now! Everything is so perfect and beautiful! My dream LOL!So I like Laura's style but I think she gambled being too focused and it cost her. I think all the judges wished she would have taken their advice not just Heidi. I think this year was very close because the designers in the finale had souch a drastically diffrent point of view.
ChaChaCha
October 19, 2006 - 03:52 AM
Yeah, I'm done with PR as well. Probably Bravo, for that matter. This whole season was so cheesy, contrived, manipulative.
Putting all the behavioral issues aside, Jeff should have been kicked to the curb for that "Everyday Woman" monstrosity - probably the ugliest item ever sent down the PR Runway. (And, everyone seems to agree, Uli should have won over Vincent's strange Flying Nun dress.)
I think Jeffrey stayed for the melodrama factor; I kept imagining the producers painting a "Snidely Whiplash" moustache on him each week. That said, I actually liked several items in his collection but thought many of them were silly and/or incredibly unflattering. My god, if they make a size -0 model look like a heifer...
I thought fashion was about beauty, style, making a woman feel good about herself. I don't get "edgy." I don't get scowling human stick figures cockroach-stomping down a runway in strange/hideous wads of fabric.
(I just loooved the Olympus Fashion Week judge who actually stood up to MK & Nina. I thought they were going to have to call the paramedics!)
Laura's collection was stunning, impeccable, timeless, but the judges glommed on to "not enough range." That should have put Uli at the top. Her styles were diverse, youthful, flattering and stylish.
I think this was a choice strictly for the "buzz factor." So I'm out; I don't get it. Since all the networks seem to be playing copycat these days, maybe another design competition will be produced that's based on design instead of manufactured melodrama.
With thanks to all the posters here who have shared thoughts and opinions coherently and respectfully, au revoir!
mainer
October 19, 2006 - 03:54 AM
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I agree Laura and Uli have shown nothing but class all the way through the series.
I have never seen so much bleeping of cuss words as comes from MIchael and Jeffrery.
I would not buy clothes from either. I think if Keith was set up then one of the guys did it. I think Jeffery's recycle dress was not all recycled since he used muslin from the room and should have been disqualified weeks ago. I also think when the judges couldn't decide between Jeffery and Michael both should have been let go. Not rewarded with a showing.
Both Michael and Jeffrey will sell to a basic cliantel, but Laura and Uli can sell theirs to anyone. JMO
i think laura n uli will wind up going farther then jeffery in the long run. they will be snatched up fast for their appeal to a much larger set of women. women who want class .elegance and clothes that they can wear any place . winning does not assure him success.
JMHO
alice
brillke
October 19, 2006 - 03:56 AM
I think one of the problems Michael had with his collection, other then how cheap it looked, was Clarissa. Not liked her all season. She walks all hunched over and looks like she has a baby bump. She looked so out of place in Michaels dress. She looked like a teenager who borrowed an olders friends dress and tried to sneak into the Players Ball.
brillke
mainer
October 19, 2006 - 03:58 AM
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YES! Jeffrey deserved to win!!!!!!
This is not a popularity contest - - or a pretty contest - - or an elegant contest.
This is a best innovative with a future design contest.
And that is Jeffrey.
It means nothing that you hate him.
EXACTLY!!!!!! I can't believe how many people are so narrow-minded and thinking about this on a television show level. This is serious business! Fashion design is not about who we like but where fashion is going and what's going to take it there!
I dont hate Jeffrey. I dont care for his designs for the most part. I think he made a whole lot of fugly the entire season. But, this is REALITY TV. Of course we judge him by his personality, as well as his designs. As for all the hate, I suggest going back to the 313 thread and count all the "Laura is a [expletive deleted]/is jealous/should be kicked off/" etc... type things stated by the Jeffrey supporters vs. the non Jeffrey fans. Im not happy Jeffrey won but nothing I can do about it. It is what it is,
brillke
amen brille........... ditto. enough said
alice