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liddy
I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....
DaphLovesTC
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JUST WATCHED THE ANDY SHOW

CLIFF IS SOOOOOOOOOO

TRANSPARENT

OBVIOUSLY LYING

SAYING MARCEL IS LIKE HIS LITTLE BROTHER

AND THAT THEY ARE GOOD FRIENDS LOL

CRACKED ME UP

WHEN THE ANDY DUDE ASKS HIM

DO YOU KEEP IN TOUCH??

CLIFFS ANSWER

NO NOT AT THE MOMENT O8~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SO HOLLOW

WHAT A BSER

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN




You know, JustMe, great minds think alike ;-) because the exact thing was going through my head when I watched the show. Cliff's responses sounded so rehearsed! My boyfriend watched it with me and made a comment that he thinks Cliff grew out his hair and added a moustache so no one would recognize him...LOL. And what was up with Gail? She was acting like a lovesick puppy as if she and Cliff had been friends since kindergarten! Hilarious!!
DaphLovesTC
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All I can say is Ilan and Elia are very lucky that they are such good looking people. I sincerly hope Elia donated her hair to Locks for Love.




I hope she did too. Locks of Love only needs 10" minimum hair length from tip to tip and they will let you pull curly hair straight to measure the minimum 10". That would truly have been an unselfish gesture on Elia's part if she did that, which I doubt she did because I'm sure we would have heard about it by now. Such a waste, all of that gorgeous hair could have really helped out a sick child in need.
Raisinvalleyview
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Don't know if you guys are talking about this aspect anywhere but let's talk about Cliff's choice of dishes for this challenge.

SIRLOIN? SIRLOIN? He is given the task to make a sensuous love meal for couples and he chooses SIRLOIN? I'm not a beef expert by any means but isn't sirloin kind of at the bottom of the stack for meat/steak quality? Where was the filet? Some kind of chateaubriande for two done in a new way? I didn't catch a budget issue for this challenge. Why sirloin?

(Clearly he would have been sent packing on this episode without the Marcel incident on his dish alone...but sirloin? I don't get it)

PS. In my dream last night I met Ted Allen at a party and was telling him how the message boards are buzzing with trying to get him a permanent placement on this show. Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with it.....wink.gif




Cliff selected Kobe Sirloin. At Craftsteak Las Vegas a 6 oz. Kobe Japanese Sirloin Strip is a whopping $150. compared to a 10 oz Kobe Filet Mignon for the bargain price of 110. Regular beef sirloin 10 oz is 39. regular 10 0z filet mignon is 48. By the way that of course is a la carte.
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...it's not really that important.




never is till someone dies...and many have at frat hazings where this stuff happens...and i know ...i ran our hell week...sigma nu, u of az.

i'm sorry you can't grasp the notion of personal privacy and safety. maybe if yours is violated by someone twice as big as you who actively dislikes you, you might get a glimmer....




no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.

I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.




Funny, you say Marcel could have hurt Ilan's eye...I didn't see any black eye on Ilan, (too bad!) but Marcel did have bruises and carpet burns..so who really got hurt here? How did Marcel know Cliff wasn't going to hurt him? There sure hadn't been any indication of friendship shown so far in the show towards him. Plus, at first he didn't even KNOW it was Cliff. Controlled? WTF have you been reading??? Controlled alright, by the three a-holes!




And, just a little added note. I hope once back in Vegas, the restaurant owners there see this and tell Elia to 'PACK HER KNIVES AND LEAVE TOWN"! In the beginning when she said she had worked with him before, defended him, blah blah blah, she showed herself to be a good person, someone who would be nice to work with. THEN, after joining the 'DARK SIDE", she turned her back on someone she concidered a friend. Go back to your family Elia, cook for them because any self-respecting chef should be afraid to have you in their kitchen. JMHO, take it or leave it.




I'm plain nervous Elia even is allowed to possess sharp knives. After her 34 culinary degrees the woman's dream job is to become a butcher. As slow as she moves I can't believe any place would hire her unless she was paid by the piece.
JUSTMEAOD
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JUST WATCHED THE ANDY SHOW

CLIFF IS SOOOOOOOOOO

TRANSPARENT

OBVIOUSLY LYING

SAYING MARCEL IS LIKE HIS LITTLE BROTHER

AND THAT THEY ARE GOOD FRIENDS LOL

CRACKED ME UP

WHEN THE ANDY DUDE ASKS HIM

DO YOU KEEP IN TOUCH??

CLIFFS ANSWER

NO NOT AT THE MOMENT O8~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SO HOLLOW

WHAT A BSER

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN




You know, JustMe, great minds think alike ;-) because the exact thing was going through my head when I watched the show. Cliff's responses sounded so rehearsed! My boyfriend watched it with me and made a comment that he thinks Cliff grew out his hair and added a moustache so no one would recognize him...LOL. And what was up with Gail? She was acting like a lovesick puppy as if she and Cliff had been friends since kindergarten! Hilarious!!




HMMMMMMM NEVER THOUGHT OF MYSELF BEING A GREAT MIND....

BUT HEY WHO AM I TO JUDGE.....

WAIT DON'T ANSWER THAT

I AGREE THOUGH

THE WHOLE THING LOOKED STAGED

IT WAS LIKE WATCHING TWO PUPPETS

SWEATING

AS IF SOMETHING WRONG WAS SAID

ZIP

OFF TO THE SAWMILL LOL

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN
Redwings_Fan
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....




I'm sure both Mia and Josie would have. In fact, Josie looks like she could put Cliff in a full nelson and move in for the pin.
brillke
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....






We couldnt know the answer to that, now can we? We cannot answer that anymore then we can say if any of Marcels fans on this board would have stepped in to help.

brillke
sizzler
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JUST WATCHED THE ANDY SHOW

CLIFF IS SOOOOOOOOOO

TRANSPARENT

OBVIOUSLY LYING

SAYING MARCEL IS LIKE HIS LITTLE BROTHER

AND THAT THEY ARE GOOD FRIENDS LOL

CRACKED ME UP

WHEN THE ANDY DUDE ASKS HIM

DO YOU KEEP IN TOUCH??

CLIFFS ANSWER

NO NOT AT THE MOMENT O8~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SO HOLLOW

WHAT A BSER

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN




I agree. He was still trying to put a spin on it to make himself look good....NOTHING spins that good or fast!
DaphLovesTC
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Don't know if you guys are talking about this aspect anywhere but let's talk about Cliff's choice of dishes for this challenge.

SIRLOIN? SIRLOIN? He is given the task to make a sensuous love meal for couples and he chooses SIRLOIN? I'm not a beef expert by any means but isn't sirloin kind of at the bottom of the stack for meat/steak quality? Where was the filet? Some kind of chateaubriande for two done in a new way? I didn't catch a budget issue for this challenge. Why sirloin?

(Clearly he would have been sent packing on this episode without the Marcel incident on his dish alone...but sirloin? I don't get it)




I agree! And I'm sure Cliff had enough money in his budget to use Ribeye or Porterhouse or Filet Mignon. Heck, if Sam had enough to buy all of that sumptuous lobster to feed all those guests (30, right?) then I'm sure Cliff's budget would not have busted with a more premium quality beef selection. It didn't have to be Kobe beef, for goodness sake...I'd take a nicely prepared ribeye anyday (medium rare please)! And don't even get me started on the pureed lentils.....Yuck!! I'm a simple gal, all I would have need was some A1 and you would have seen all the love and passion coming out of me (no pun intended ;-)

I was a huge, huge fan of Cliff's up until this EP, but it looks like his attack on Marcel wasn't his only lapse in sound judgment.
sizzler
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I've been a TC fan and I have to concur my disappointment with this episode. I'm an arist and foodie and really enjoy the creativity of the challenges. Certainly Marcel was oppinionated but I don't get why he was so hated. This episode was a complete downer. How embarassing for the judges to have this kind of behavior displayed in front of Chef Ripert.

All I can say is Ilan and Elia are very lucky that they are such good looking people. I sincerly hope Elia donated her hair to Locks for Love.




Elia has proven to be just as shallow as the other idiots on this show, so I am sure she just threw the hair in the garbage, kind of like the careers of these yahoos.
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Either he's heavily medicated or dayam..he does take it all so well....I woulda been a basket case or screaming in everyones faces.......Don't f*ck with Miss Savant 2007......lol

Now FINALLY Good night!!!

Oh and.... he'd get used to the hugs!!!!




OK KRISTI

WHAT DID YOU DO TO SIZ

YOU TWO SHOULD BE SHARING THAT TITLE NO?????

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN




WAAWAAWAAWAAWAA!! Hey, Kristl is hogging all the savant perks...tiara, thrown, title....and SHE WON'T SHARE WITH ME!!!! I want a recount! Hey, does she live in Florida by any chance....hmmmm




OOOOOOOHHHH NO

NO DIMPLED CHADS, HALF CHADS AGAIN LOL

FUNNY HAVE A FRIEND NAMED CHAD

HE NEVER LIVED IT DOWN



TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN




Yeah, dimples are only good if they are on your cheek, and I mean your FACE cheeks. lol
sizzler
Cliff did it to himself. Period. And, by the way, I'm a black chick.

Now that Cliff's been fired, I bet Mia's thinking, "Yeah man, karmic retribution is so sweet.... Put your [expletive deleted] back in your pants ...OOPS IT'S GONE!!!"





LOL this is what the third time you posted the same joke verbatium? Pauly Shore called and even he is board with you.

lol.




Thank you WAJ, I thought I was getting bounced backwards in the postings I saw this so many times...




HMMMMMMMMMMM SIZ
DID IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH "[expletive deleted]"
LOL
THREE TIMES FORWARD THREE TIMES BACK
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN




Some secrets are meant to remain secrets...(O:
JUSTMEAOD
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I've been a TC fan and I have to concur my disappointment with this episode. I'm an arist and foodie and really enjoy the creativity of the challenges. Certainly Marcel was oppinionated but I don't get why he was so hated. This episode was a complete downer. How embarassing for the judges to have this kind of behavior displayed in front of Chef Ripert.

All I can say is Ilan and Elia are very lucky that they are such good looking people. I sincerly hope Elia donated her hair to Locks for Love.




Elia has proven to be just as shallow as the other idiots on this show, so I am sure she just threw the hair in the garbage, kind of like the careers of these yahoos.




DOESN'T MATTER !!!!!!!!

MAIN THING IS SHE LOOKS GOOD WITHOUT HAIR

MAN I WOULD LIKE TO RUB THAT

BUT GOOD



WHO CARES IF SHE CAN COOK

OPEN THE CAN BABE

FRY IT UP IN THE PAN

HE HE HE

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN
DaphLovesTC
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One more thing before I head out for the day. I am hosting a tasting menu dinner party in a few weeks and am intending to attempt Ilan's fideo dish (recipe is on Bravo site) for it if I can only find clams in the desert. Wish me luck!






Hey Katie! Don't forget to serve the chicken liver chocolate truffle ala Ilan for dessert! LOL! Your guests will consider you unforgettable!
JUSTMEAOD
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....




I'm sure both Mia and Josie would have. In fact, Josie looks like she could put Cliff in a full nelson and move in for the pin.




DON'T THINK SO

BUT THEY'D HAVE A GOOD TIME TRYING EH???



TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN
Kristlkrost
I just found this post on TWOP and I godda tell you...I think we have been set up ..They had a story to piece together and
from day one...it has been Marcel is a deeeek.





Finally, as a former crisis counselor, I would like to suggest that those of you who have not experienced sexual assault first hand to think twice before making this comparison. There is a very big difference between being physically constrained and physically penetrated. Some survivors of such an experience might find the comparison upsetting.

Actually, I have been assaulted. While I never compared this incident to rape here, on the boards, I have had no problems with those who did.

Because when I watched the scene, it reminded me of my assault. Except I did not have onlookers cheering the assault on.

It was many years ago. But I can assure you that something inside of me died that day and never came back. The funny thing is that after the attack (it was early morning) I went to work and acted like nothing happened. It wasn't because I have a disorder. It was because I went into complete denial and was unable to face it. I just wanted to move on - I was so humilated that I could not deal with it. I didn't want to talk to anyone about it, especially after I had told someone close to me and they inferred that I was partly to blame.

BRAVO has been doing damage control from episode 1. They showed us saying that Marcel was not there to make friends with anyone. I now know he made that statement after the attack. Last night he was shown talking about going to Hawaii, wearing the same brown shirt and with the same background. These two snippets were taken from the same interview.

Bravo was setting us up with the "I am not here to make friends". Because they did not want us to like Marcel. That would taint the image of the golden ones. So they went to every length and gathered all the incriminating images of Marcel. So we would not like him either.

They set us up so people would feel that this was OK. It breaks my heart more than I can say right now. It is no different than a defense lawyer telling the jury that the victim deserved to be raped because she was in the alley at 5am in her nightgown taking out the trash.

Bravo even manipulated the time sequence of that whole evening. To make it look like the head shaving started before the attack on Marcel.

It is so disturbing that they tried to manipulate us into accepting this.

Today, one of my co-workers thought it fitting to bring up the fact that Marcel punched the camera and was wrong in doing so.

I will never look at my co-worker the same. I hope that he is never dragged out of his bed in the middle of the night and put into a chokehold, and then be expected to not react.

But no matter how annoying I am sure to find this co-worker in the future. It does not occur to me to rally my friends here to ostracize and humiliate him. And I don't have visions of choking him either. I just feel really sad and don't want to be around him so much anymore.
sizzler
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Just to get this back about the food....

I found this interesting from Tom's EW interview.

EW: What was the worst thing you tasted all season?
TC: Something that Marcel made. It could've been a Quickfire challenge. It was clam and, like, hearts of palm and something else. Clams when they're room temperature and warm, they're disgusting. And that's how they were. They were just gross.

EW: Best thing?
TC: It could've been the fideos dish that Ilan made last night, the toasted pasta. It was really good, really, really flavorful. That's what comes to mind.


And for those of you judging at home the Clams, hearts of Palm and Coconut was the dish that Amazon tried to mistakenly blame on Cliff...

Amazon, come admit your mistake, or do you have the courage of a pigmy?




A few of the chefs have said that in QF the heat and the lights make the food terrible after awhile.....That whole process takes way longer than we see...By the time Tom gets there it's not what it was supposed to be originally..I am honestly not defending his dish just because it's Marcel ...It may well have been gross....I would have said that for any chef.

Miss Savant 2007 has to be fair and impartial....lol

Yes Siz ...We can be co/ Miss Savants 2007
You did by rights get to the top first..Even if you did sleep with all the judges to get there...I will overlook that...If we need each other and cannot fufill our duties we will step in for one another.

Our first project as co Miss Savants of 2007????

Lets see if we can my arse out of that bus door why don't we???

It's killing me....Heeeeeeelp!Where's Paula with that damn butter???
And then we get JUSTME to be just a wee bit less shy ...lol

After that...we party like it's 1999..After all... we are pageant winners.

Woooooohooooooo
Debauchery.... dancing ......and Donald!







Hey Kristl, I have no problem sharing the MISS SAVANT 2007 title, however, I do resemble that remark about "sleeping my way to the top". AND, because you choose to ignore my methods of sculdugery, I will not be sharing the video of the climb to the top!! AND, boy are you missing something!!!! It was an amazing feat, so many judges, so few orafices...LOL
JUSTMEAOD
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....






We couldnt know the answer to that, now can we? We cannot answer that anymore then we can say if any of Marcels fans on this board would have stepped in to help.

brillke




JUMPING BRILL

WHY THEN KIDS WOULD LEARN HOW TO KILL EACH

OTHER SOONER

FORM GANGS, FORM POLITICS......

WAIT HAPPENING ALREADY

LORD OF THE FLIES

GIVE ME A BREAK

GET A GRIP

AND A FEW OTHERS

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

GOOD TO BLOW OFF A BIT OF STEAM IN THE MORN LOL

BY THE WAY BRILL

GOOD MORNING

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN
DaphLovesTC
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....




I'm sure both Mia and Josie would have. In fact, Josie looks like she could put Cliff in a full nelson and move in for the pin.




All the while spewing out that laugh of hers....HAR HAR HAR HAR. I can see it now....
actor59
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Going off the boards now, too much real life to deal with..just had a few cents to add.
Jazzie




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Jazzie ..How is your mother????

I wanted to post and ask....I hope all is well.




Kristl....thank you for asking, I was catching up as a distraction to the last few days. My mom took a turn for the worse, and to honor her living will, the family had her taken off machines and meds on Monday and she passed away two hours later. We are honoring her wishes by celebrating the 9000+ extra sunrises she shared with us. She always told us that every day after her 50th birthday was a gift, and since she almost made it to 76 years old....well, we did the math, and it came out to over 9000 extra days that we had her with us beyond her own expectation. We are celebrating the facts the in those 9000+ days, she was gifted with the marriages of both her younger daughters, the birth of her only grandson, and seeing that grandson (her "bud", my son) make it to teenager-hood. I miss her.





So sorry Jazzie my love to you and your family...I lost my mother the month before Katrina and it is still hard to think she is gone. I still have not taken her off my cell phone..lol

I guess I should delete it but it gives me a small bit of comfort knowing even though I can't phone her up...she is still there...silly I know.
My condolences too you!
Redwings_Fan
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....




I'm sure both Mia and Josie would have. In fact, Josie looks like she could put Cliff in a full nelson and move in for the pin.




DON'T THINK SO

BUT THEY'D HAVE A GOOD TIME TRYING EH???



TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN




Well, I have to admit that watching a couple of women take Cliff down would have been more entertaining than what we saw the other night. :-)
s_puppet
We've talked the Marcel thing to death.
How about discussing some of the better things in the show?

This was the first show that we've seen Gail dressed to the nines. All season Padma has strutted around in those revealing costumes. But, she got put to shame in this episode. Gail was just stunning. That's all you can say.
I get so tired of those skinny, underfed barbie dolls that we usually see on these shows. It's nice to see a real woman for a change.

S-puppet
sizzler
GEE SIZ
THANKS
NO "I TOLD YOU SO S"
SOUNDS LIKE IT GOT YOU A BIT WORKED UP
THOUGHT IT WAS PASSEA
PART OF THE ONGOING SAGA OF TC
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE MARCEL IS IN DEEP
NEXT WEEK
BUT I THINK IT IS ELIA THAT MIGHT GET SENT PACKING
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN




Naw, Cupcake. No I TOLD YOU SO'S. Was too much fun for that, besides, you know I am ALWAYS right...lol
After reading some of the posts, (way to many to read, and sick of hearing about that stupid chicken!) Was just so irritated that people acted like it was a big fun party. (Not everyone mind you) But as someone else pointed out. It is only fun and games when you are friends, and these morons proved time and time again that they were NOT friends of Marcel. LOL I didn't even post until this morning. Read a few last night, saw all the "screaming" and said to myself, "Self? Let's go snuggle up to Hubby and the dog...much better company"...so Self went to bed...and snuggled up to Hubby and the dog.




OOOOOOOOOK
WHAT'S WITH THE CUPCAKE???
GLAD YOU HAD A GOOD SNUGGLE
I DON'T CALL MY PET A DOG
SHE IS MY BABY
WILL ALWAYS BE
YOU KNOW I CAN SOMETIMES
HEAR HER SAY
AWWWWWWW DAAAAD
WHEN I DO SOMETHING SILLY
YUP
I DOOOOOOOOOO S LOVE THAT KID O MINE
CLOSEST I'LL EVER GET
THE BEST PART
IS SHE IS ALWAYS HAPPY WHEN I COME HOME
AND SOOOOOO VERY SAD WHEN I LEAVE
BUT SHE IS DEF A BLANKET HOG LOL
SEE YA AROUND SIZ
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
IS THAT HOW




LOL, Have to admit JME, we call them "the kids" as in...better get home, the kids will be worried...have to buy the kids a new toy....etc. And, we tell the human kids all the time not to ask us to choose between the two legged and four legged, cause the two legged would lose EVERY time!

Such unconditional love!! We come home and say, "did you miss Momma? and the howing begins...him in your arms, head back, howling like a wolf...her on the floor, ball in mouth, yippin' and howling, never letting loose of the ball. He says "happy your home...rub my belly" she says "happy your home, throw the ball!" Too funny!
AW, Cupcake is just an endearment JMe. Can stop if you insist, but...you are a big Cupcake!! (O:




WELL OK
I GUESS
AT LEAST IT WASN'T TWINKIE [8~~~
AND THE CREME IS FILLING LOL
SEMEN RETENTION AND ALL
NOW LET'S GET BACK TO THEM KIDS LOL
YUP THEM'S IS TREASURES
I FIGURE I WOULD BE A ROTTEN FATHER
BECAUSE I SPOIL MY KID SOOOOOOO BAD LOL
SHE HAS SOOOO MANY TOYS
TOUGH TO GO TO A PET STORE TO FIND ONE SHE DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN




Heard the twinkie defence didn't work any more??? Creme filling...again???? LOL
Yes, know what you mean about the toys. When we got our little girl, she was a demon on the toys...tore up every toy we had. Always looked like it snowed in the livingroom with all the stuffing. lol Now she is much better, but he still has to have his baby, gutted, just a rag left, but he loves it. Her, she just wants the ball now. Sleeps with it, goes potty with it in her mouth. Too funny to watch. She is also the FIRST dog I have ever seen who sneaks. She is somewhat of a piggy and when she is done with her food, sits off to the side to see if he will finish his. If he leaves anything in his dish, she walks on the pads of her feet, so her nails won't click on the floor, and cleans his bowl. Is the funniest thing to watch. Gotta love them babies!!
JUSTMEAOD
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Don't know if you guys are talking about this aspect anywhere but let's talk about Cliff's choice of dishes for this challenge.

SIRLOIN? SIRLOIN? He is given the task to make a sensuous love meal for couples and he chooses SIRLOIN? I'm not a beef expert by any means but isn't sirloin kind of at the bottom of the stack for meat/steak quality? Where was the filet? Some kind of chateaubriande for two done in a new way? I didn't catch a budget issue for this challenge. Why sirloin?

(Clearly he would have been sent packing on this episode without the Marcel incident on his dish alone...but sirloin? I don't get it)




I agree! And I'm sure Cliff had enough money in his budget to use Ribeye or Porterhouse or Filet Mignon. Heck, if Sam had enough to buy all of that sumptuous lobster to feed all those guests (30, right?) then I'm sure Cliff's budget would not have busted with a more premium quality beef selection. It didn't have to be Kobe beef, for goodness sake...I'd take a nicely prepared ribeye anyday (medium rare please)! And don't even get me started on the pureed lentils.....Yuck!! I'm a simple gal, all I would have need was some A1 and you would have seen all the love and passion coming out of me (no pun intended ;-)

I was a huge, huge fan of Cliff's up until this EP, but it looks like his attack on Marcel wasn't his only lapse in sound judgment.




ACTUALLY PUREED LENTILS ARE PRETTY GOOD

USED THE TECHNIQUE YEARS AGO

IF YOU GRIND THE DRY ONES

ADD IT TO A FEW OTHER DRY GROUND BEANS

MAKES A PRETTY GOOD STOCK FOR CHILI AND STEWS

OH AND THE THING ABOUT SAM

KNEW HE WAS A KILLER LONG AGO

SAID IT MANY TIMES

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN
Redwings_Fan
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We've talked the Marcel thing to death.
How about discussing some of the better things in the show?

This was the first show that we've seen Gail dressed to the nines. All season Padma has strutted around in those revealing costumes. But, she got put to shame in this episode. Gail was just stunning. That's all you can say.
I get so tired of those skinny, underfed barbie dolls that we usually see on these shows. It's nice to see a real woman for a change.

S-puppet




I was thrilled to read that not only did Padma eat all of Ilan's dish that she was served, but she also finished off Eric's plate, too.

It's refreshing to know that barbie dolls eat, too!
JUSTMEAOD
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Cliff did it to himself. Period. And, by the way, I'm a black chick.

Now that Cliff's been fired, I bet Mia's thinking, "Yeah man, karmic retribution is so sweet.... Put your [expletive deleted] back in your pants ...OOPS IT'S GONE!!!"





LOL this is what the third time you posted the same joke verbatium? Pauly Shore called and even he is board with you.

lol.




Thank you WAJ, I thought I was getting bounced backwards in the postings I saw this so many times...




HMMMMMMMMMMM SIZ
DID IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH "[expletive deleted]"
LOL
THREE TIMES FORWARD THREE TIMES BACK
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ALOHA
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Some secrets are meant to remain secrets...(O:




WHY I OTTA [8

DANG IF I WOULDN'T SPANK THAT SECRET OUT



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Either he's heavily medicated or dayam..he does take it all so well....I woulda been a basket case or screaming in everyones faces.......Don't f*ck with Miss Savant 2007......lol

Now FINALLY Good night!!!

Oh and.... he'd get used to the hugs!!!!




OK KRISTI

WHAT DID YOU DO TO SIZ

YOU TWO SHOULD BE SHARING THAT TITLE NO?????

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WAAWAAWAAWAAWAA!! Hey, Kristl is hogging all the savant perks...tiara, thrown, title....and SHE WON'T SHARE WITH ME!!!! I want a recount! Hey, does she live in Florida by any chance....hmmmm




OOOOOOOHHHH NO

NO DIMPLED CHADS, HALF CHADS AGAIN LOL

FUNNY HAVE A FRIEND NAMED CHAD

HE NEVER LIVED IT DOWN



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Yeah, dimples are only good if they are on your cheek, and I mean your FACE cheeks. lol




OOOOOOOO K

WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT TO HEAR WHAT MC HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT



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sizzler
That she is. She kills me!! Hey JMe, did you see NS last night? Saw most of it, but was still trying to get caught up here and talking to a friend on the phone so missed the beginning. The guy kicked off last night, Dustin Wilkes, wow! The look on his face when they said he was leaving...man, he just froze and then stared into space. Almost looked like he was going to start screaming. And, Meg squeeked by again. Thought she did a lot better, but I thought Randy Owen was pretty rough. Didn't know the song so didn't like it. WHATEVER, just because he didn't write it? thought he was an A-hole. Will see how the rest plays out.




DANG SIZ

FORGOT ALL ABOUT IT [8

THANKS FOR THE REMINDER

GONNA HAVE TO CATCH THE RERUN

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN




That is ok. I forgot too and didn't get off the phone when I should have. I'm sure they didn't miss us.
Kristlkrost
Miss Savant 2007 has to be fair and impartial....lol

Yes Siz ...We can be co/ Miss Savants 2007
You did by rights get to the top first..Even if you did sleep with all the judges to get there...I will overlook that...If we need each other and cannot fufill our duties we will step in for one another.

Our first project as co Miss Savants of 2007????

Lets see if we can my arse out of that bus door why don't we???

It's killing me....Heeeeeeelp!Where's Paula with that damn butter???
And then we get JUSTME to be just a wee bit less shy ...lol

After that...we party like it's 1999..After all... we are pageant winners.

Woooooohooooooo
Debauchery.... dancing ......and Donald!







Hey Kristl, I have no problem sharing the MISS SAVANT 2007 title, however, I do resemble that remark about "sleeping my way to the top". AND, because you choose to ignore my methods of sculdugery, I will not be sharing the video of the climb to the top!! AND, boy are you missing something!!!! It was an amazing feat, so many judges, so few orafices...LOL




WELL..Hmmmph...I TRIED to sleep my way to the top but
the judges kept saying sumpthin' about that crazy wild sexy
girl named Sizzler and man did she Sizzle who was sooooo good NOONE could ever compete.

I got ferklempt and ran out of the room knee
pads in hand.

IF I ever get my hands on that vidoe tape....I shall
Pam Anderson it..make millions and retire to Hawaii with Justme....Oh and....pffffft..You can keep the tiara beeyatch!!

CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!.....lol
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Going off the boards now, too much real life to deal with..just had a few cents to add.
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Jazzie ..How is your mother????

I wanted to post and ask....I hope all is well.




Kristl....thank you for asking, I was catching up as a distraction to the last few days. My mom took a turn for the worse, and to honor her living will, the family had her taken off machines and meds on Monday and she passed away two hours later. We are honoring her wishes by celebrating the 9000+ extra sunrises she shared with us. She always told us that every day after her 50th birthday was a gift, and since she almost made it to 76 years old....well, we did the math, and it came out to over 9000 extra days that we had her with us beyond her own expectation. We are celebrating the facts the in those 9000+ days, she was gifted with the marriages of both her younger daughters, the birth of her only grandson, and seeing that grandson (her "bud", my son) make it to teenager-hood. I miss her.





So sorry Jazzie my love to you and your family...I lost my mother the month before Katrina and it is still hard to think she is gone. I still have not taken her off my cell phone..lol

I guess I should delete it but it gives me a small bit of comfort knowing even though I can't phone her up...she is still there...silly I know.
My condolences too you!



Actor.....thank you much, it's appreciated. I know what you mean about the cell number.....it's only been a few days, and I still keep thinking I'm going to call her up to ask a question about knitting, or sewing, or just share a funny story about the grandson. That, and helping my son deal with the loss of his gramma is hard. He's her only grandchild so the two of them were very close. I think we are helping each other, and my hubby has just been a rock. Right now we are sharing the funny and crazy family stories....and I'm thinking my Mom was right to ask my son and I not to come out and see her in the hospital. This way my son always remembers the gramma who played with him, not the one in the hospital. Sorry, didn't mean to meander, am going back to work today, so should get off the boards and get ready. Please, everyone remember to hug the ones you love when you can and tell them you love them as often as possible.
Jazzie
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We've talked the Marcel thing to death.
How about discussing some of the better things in the show?

This was the first show that we've seen Gail dressed to the nines. All season Padma has strutted around in those revealing costumes. But, she got put to shame in this episode. Gail was just stunning. That's all you can say.
I get so tired of those skinny, underfed barbie dolls that we usually see on these shows. It's nice to see a real woman for a change.

S-puppet




I was thrilled to read that not only did Padma eat all of Ilan's dish that she was served, but she also finished off Eric's plate, too.

It's refreshing to know that barbie dolls eat, too!




BARBIE DOLL??????????????????

ROTFLOL

SHRUG MAYBE THAT'S IT

WAS LEANING TOWARDS

VOODOO PRINCESS MYSELF LOL

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sizzler
DID THE SAME THING SIZ
AFTER READING THROUGH THE FIRST FEW PAGES
OF
SAMO SAMO
GOT BORED
SKIMMED THOUGH THE WHOLE THING
DANG PEOPLE TAKE STUFF SO SERIOUSLY
IT'S A SHOW
WILL IT AFFECT ME WHEN IT'S OVER
NAH
HISTORY
SHRUG
COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE
KEEP THINGS IMBEDDED WITHIN THEMSELVES
EVEN AFTER VOICING IT OUT
DANG THAT GIRL IN THE POKER AFTER DARK IS
PRETTY LOL
MAYBE THAT'S WHY BRAVO HAS COMMERCIAL BREAKS IN THE FORUM
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN




Must admit there are a few of these that before I read any, I see who posted. Personal arguments just don't seem to be any of my bees wax. So, I just read the ones that I enjoy, and comment on the ones I feel like. Then there are some that I just have to prove that I am right...you know the ones...short, long, short, long.....(O:
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That she is. She kills me!! Hey JMe, did you see NS last night? Saw most of it, but was still trying to get caught up here and talking to a friend on the phone so missed the beginning. The guy kicked off last night, Dustin Wilkes, wow! The look on his face when they said he was leaving...man, he just froze and then stared into space. Almost looked like he was going to start screaming. And, Meg squeeked by again. Thought she did a lot better, but I thought Randy Owen was pretty rough. Didn't know the song so didn't like it. WHATEVER, just because he didn't write it? thought he was an A-hole. Will see how the rest plays out.




DANG SIZ

FORGOT ALL ABOUT IT [8

THANKS FOR THE REMINDER

GONNA HAVE TO CATCH THE RERUN

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ALOHA

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That is ok. I forgot too and didn't get off the phone when I should have. I'm sure they didn't miss us.




LYER LYER PANTS ON FIRE......

YOU MUST HAVE WATCHED SIZ

YOU JUST ABOUT GAVE UP THE ENDING YOU SPOILER YOU



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P,S, CAN I BE SPOILED SOME MORE PLEASE
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We've talked the Marcel thing to death.
How about discussing some of the better things in the show?

This was the first show that we've seen Gail dressed to the nines. All season Padma has strutted around in those revealing costumes. But, she got put to shame in this episode. Gail was just stunning. That's all you can say.
I get so tired of those skinny, underfed barbie dolls that we usually see on these shows. It's nice to see a real woman for a change.

S-puppet




I was thrilled to read that not only did Padma eat all of Ilan's dish that she was served, but she also finished off Eric's plate, too.

It's refreshing to know that barbie dolls eat, too!




BARBIE DOLL??????????????????

ROTFLOL

SHRUG MAYBE THAT'S IT

WAS LEANING TOWARDS

VOODOO PRINCESS MYSELF LOL

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Padma doesn't strike me as the voodoo type at all...but Betty, whoa! I can picture her sitting alone in the dark with about 35 cats at her feet, drinking curdled Bailey's and lime (just to prove that the judge was wrong), with a pot of asparagus and lawn clippings burning on the stove, while she's shoving pins into a doll with Marcel's picture glued to the head and screaming "You egotistical bastard! I'll get you my pretty, and your little dog, too!!"
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Miss Savant 2007 has to be fair and impartial....lol

Yes Siz ...We can be co/ Miss Savants 2007
You did by rights get to the top first..Even if you did sleep with all the judges to get there...I will overlook that...If we need each other and cannot fufill our duties we will step in for one another.

Our first project as co Miss Savants of 2007????

Lets see if we can my arse out of that bus door why don't we???

It's killing me....Heeeeeeelp!Where's Paula with that damn butter???
And then we get JUSTME to be just a wee bit less shy ...lol

After that...we party like it's 1999..After all... we are pageant winners.

Woooooohooooooo
Debauchery.... dancing ......and Donald!







Hey Kristl, I have no problem sharing the MISS SAVANT 2007 title, however, I do resemble that remark about "sleeping my way to the top". AND, because you choose to ignore my methods of sculdugery, I will not be sharing the video of the climb to the top!! AND, boy are you missing something!!!! It was an amazing feat, so many judges, so few orafices...LOL




WELL..Hmmmph...I TRIED to sleep my way to the top but
the judges kept saying sumpthin' about that crazy wild sexy
girl named Sizzler and man did she Sizzle who was sooooo good NOONE could ever compete.

I got ferklempt and ran out of the room knee
pads in hand.

IF I ever get my hands on that vidoe tape....I shall
Pam Anderson it..make millions and retire to Hawaii with Justme....Oh and....pffffft..You can keep the tiara beeyatch!!

CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!.....lol






WELL BOOOOOOOOO AH

CAN I WATCH?????



TOO SHY TO JOIN IN

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sizzler
And, just a little added note. I hope once back in Vegas, the restaurant owners there see this and tell Elia to 'PACK HER KNIVES AND LEAVE TOWN"! In the beginning when she said she had worked with him before, defended him, blah blah blah, she showed herself to be a good person, someone who would be nice to work with. THEN, after joining the 'DARK SIDE", she turned her back on someone she concidered a friend. Go back to your family Elia, cook for them because any self-respecting chef should be afraid to have you in their kitchen. JMHO, take it or leave it.




YUP
SEND HER BACK TO HAWAII
DANG RIGHT
SHE DEF NEEDS A RUB DOWN

YOU GO SIZ
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Hey Cupcake. I'm always thinking about your needs...so here she comes...get the oils and body rubs ready JMe. LMAO
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.




I don't think so. Elia was the only one who didn't hate him and she not only didn't help, but may have instigated the whole thing?

Maybe one of the older chefs like Otto, Frank or even Betty? Although Frank & Betty were certainly no fans of Marcel so....
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....




I'm sure both Mia and Josie would have. In fact, Josie looks like she could put Cliff in a full nelson and move in for the pin.




All the while spewing out that laugh of hers....HAR HAR HAR HAR. I can see it now....


Haha!! I LOVE her laugh. I happen to think that Mikey would've helped out too. As silly as he comes off, the guy has got a decent head on his shoulders.
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Holster - Thank you for the link, shocking. Also, thank you for the other links you’ve posted, such as one to the article from NewYorkmetro.com, Marcel Doesn’t Love Joël Robuchon That Much - New York Magazine’s Daily Intelligencer. Again, shocking!
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Don't know if you guys are talking about this aspect anywhere but let's talk about Cliff's choice of dishes for this challenge.

SIRLOIN? SIRLOIN? He is given the task to make a sensuous love meal for couples and he chooses SIRLOIN? I'm not a beef expert by any means but isn't sirloin kind of at the bottom of the stack for meat/steak quality? Where was the filet? Some kind of chateaubriande for two done in a new way? I didn't catch a budget issue for this challenge. Why sirloin?

(Clearly he would have been sent packing on this episode without the Marcel incident on his dish alone...but sirloin? I don't get it)

PS. In my dream last night I met Ted Allen at a party and was telling him how the message boards are buzzing with trying to get him a permanent placement on this show. Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with it.....wink.gif




LOL........Next dream tell him I love him please.
I had a dream last week too and had the whole thing all figured out....Obsessed..Moi????
Nevah!!

I agree about the food choices of both Marcel and Cliff
Marcel was in awe of Chef Ripert...He chooses salmon....Pretty basic salmon???..Cliff..Sirloin????
What were they thinking???

Poor Chef Ripert probably thought he had wandered onto the set of Jackass.....lol....Oy!





Yeah, either that or a crack house...lmao
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Jazzie ..How is your mother????

I wanted to post and ask....I hope all is well.




Kristl....thank you for asking, I was catching up as a distraction to the last few days. My mom took a turn for the worse, and to honor her living will, the family had her taken off machines and meds on Monday and she passed away two hours later. We are honoring her wishes by celebrating the 9000+ extra sunrises she shared with us. She always told us that every day after her 50th birthday was a gift, and since she almost made it to 76 years old....well, we did the math, and it came out to over 9000 extra days that we had her with us beyond her own expectation. We are celebrating the facts the in those 9000+ days, she was gifted with the marriages of both her younger daughters, the birth of her only grandson, and seeing that grandson (her "bud", my son) make it to teenager-hood. I miss her.





So sorry Jazzie my love to you and your family...I lost my mother the month before Katrina and it is still hard to think she is gone. I still have not taken her off my cell phone..lol

I guess I should delete it but it gives me a small bit of comfort knowing even though I can't phone her up...she is still there...silly I know.
My condolences too you!



Actor.....thank you much, it's appreciated. I know what you mean about the cell number.....it's only been a few days, and I still keep thinking I'm going to call her up to ask a question about knitting, or sewing, or just share a funny story about the grandson. That, and helping my son deal with the loss of his gramma is hard. He's her only grandchild so the two of them were very close. I think we are helping each other, and my hubby has just been a rock. Right now we are sharing the funny and crazy family stories....and I'm thinking my Mom was right to ask my son and I not to come out and see her in the hospital. This way my son always remembers the gramma who played with him, not the one in the hospital. Sorry, didn't mean to meander, am going back to work today, so should get off the boards and get ready. Please, everyone remember to hug the ones you love when you can and tell them you love them as often as possible.
Jazzie




GOODMORNING JAZZ

HOPE YOU READ MY MESSAGE A FEW PAGES BACK

PLEASE REMEMBER THE YOUTHFUL MOM

IT WILL GIVE YOU STRENGTH

FOR WHAT YOU MUST DO

AND YOUR HEART POWER

TO CELEBRATE HER NEW FREEDOM

TO ONCE AGAIN RUN AMONGST YOU AND ALL SHE LOVED

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Just to get this back about the food....

I found this interesting from Tom's EW interview.

EW: What was the worst thing you tasted all season?
TC: Something that Marcel made. It could've been a Quickfire challenge. It was clam and, like, hearts of palm and something else. Clams when they're room temperature and warm, they're disgusting. And that's how they were. They were just gross.

EW: Best thing?
TC: It could've been the fideos dish that Ilan made last night, the toasted pasta. It was really good, really, really flavorful. That's what comes to mind.


And for those of you judging at home the Clams, hearts of Palm and Coconut was the dish that Amazon tried to mistakenly blame on Cliff...

Amazon, come admit your mistake, or do you have the courage of a pigmy?




A few of the chefs have said that in QF the heat and the lights make the food terrible after awhile.....That whole process takes way longer than we see...By the time Tom gets there it's not what it was supposed to be originally..I am honestly not defending his dish just because it's Marcel ...It may well have been gross....I would have said that for any chef.

Miss Savant 2007 has to be fair and impartial....lol

Yes Siz ...We can be co/ Miss Savants 2007
You did by rights get to the top first..Even if you did sleep with all the judges to get there...I will overlook that...If we need each other and cannot fufill our duties we will step in for one another.

Our first project as co Miss Savants of 2007????

Lets see if we can my arse out of that bus door why don't we???

It's killing me....Heeeeeeelp!Where's Paula with that damn butter???
And then we get JUSTME to be just a wee bit less shy ...lol

After that...we party like it's 1999..After all... we are pageant winners.

Woooooohooooooo
Debauchery.... dancing ......and Donald!







HMMMMMMMMMMMM MOST OF THAT WENT RIGHT OVER MY HEAD LOL

THEN I SAW DEBAUCHERY

WOULD NOT

COULD NOT

PUSH THEM BUNS

NOT THE WAY YOU SAY

ANY WAY



DANG KRISTI

THAT SAVANTNESS GOT ME RHYMING AGAIN

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But you are an afficianado now JMe. No more savanting for you.
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Do you all think there might be a repeat from last season's setup that had the last four eliminated cheftestants come in to act as sous chefs for the final two? Since Cliff has been banished from all that is Bravo, that would leave Mikey and Betty and whichever 2 of the top 4 who lose next week.

However way it goes, whether Marcel is one of the top two or has to help one of the top two win....it could make for quite an interesting dynamic where karma could really come full circle just like it did for Tiffany and her previous treatment of Dave "I'm not your [expletive deleted], [expletive deleted]!" Martin.




SHRUG

I HOPE NOT

A GOOD TWIST ON THAT WOULD BE TO BRING

CONTESTANTS FROM LAST SEASON

TO ASSIST

SEE IF THEY PUT UP WITH THE SHENANIGANS



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Whoa JMe, I LIKE the way you think...sounds like an excellent and wicked idea...I bet the chefs from last year would work their collective asses off for Marcel.
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DID THE SAME THING SIZ
AFTER READING THROUGH THE FIRST FEW PAGES
OF
SAMO SAMO
GOT BORED
SKIMMED THOUGH THE WHOLE THING
DANG PEOPLE TAKE STUFF SO SERIOUSLY
IT'S A SHOW
WILL IT AFFECT ME WHEN IT'S OVER
NAH
HISTORY
SHRUG
COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE
KEEP THINGS IMBEDDED WITHIN THEMSELVES
EVEN AFTER VOICING IT OUT
DANG THAT GIRL IN THE POKER AFTER DARK IS
PRETTY LOL
MAYBE THAT'S WHY BRAVO HAS COMMERCIAL BREAKS IN THE FORUM
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN




Must admit there are a few of these that before I read any, I see who posted. Personal arguments just don't seem to be any of my bees wax. So, I just read the ones that I enjoy, and comment on the ones I feel like. Then there are some that I just have to prove that I am right...you know the ones...short, long, short, long.....(O:




NOPE SIZ

I KNOW NUTIN OF THAT

NUTIN AT ALL

ME I LOOK FOR THE SUPERFICIAL ONES

YOU KNOW

THE WET AND JUICY

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I just found this post on TWOP and I godda tell you...I think we have been set up ..They had a story to piece together and
from day one...it has been Marcel is a deeeek.

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Finally, as a former crisis counselor, I would like to suggest that those of you who have not experienced sexual assault first hand to think twice before making this comparison. There is a very big difference between being physically constrained and physically penetrated. Some survivors of such an experience might find the comparison upsetting.

Actually, I have been assaulted. While I never compared this incident to rape here, on the boards, I have had no problems with those who did.

Because when I watched the scene, it reminded me of my assault. Except I did not have onlookers cheering the assault on.

It was many years ago. But I can assure you that something inside of me died that day and never came back. The funny thing is that after the attack (it was early morning) I went to work and acted like nothing happened. It wasn't because I have a disorder. It was because I went into complete denial and was unable to face it. I just wanted to move on - I was so humilated that I could not deal with it. I didn't want to talk to anyone about it, especially after I had told someone close to me and they inferred that I was partly to blame.

BRAVO has been doing damage control from episode 1. They showed us saying that Marcel was not there to make friends with anyone. I now know he made that statement after the attack. Last night he was shown talking about going to Hawaii, wearing the same brown shirt and with the same background. These two snippets were taken from the same interview.

Bravo was setting us up with the "I am not here to make friends". Because they did not want us to like Marcel. That would taint the image of the golden ones. So they went to every length and gathered all the incriminating images of Marcel. So we would not like him either.

They set us up so people would feel that this was OK. It breaks my heart more than I can say right now. It is no different than a defense lawyer telling the jury that the victim deserved to be raped because she was in the alley at 5am in her nightgown taking out the trash.

Bravo even manipulated the time sequence of that whole evening. To make it look like the head shaving started before the attack on Marcel.

It is so disturbing that they tried to manipulate us into accepting this.

Today, one of my co-workers thought it fitting to bring up the fact that Marcel punched the camera and was wrong in doing so.

I will never look at my co-worker the same. I hope that he is never dragged out of his bed in the middle of the night and put into a chokehold, and then be expected to not react.

But no matter how annoying I am sure to find this co-worker in the future. It does not occur to me to rally my friends here to ostracize and humiliate him. And I don't have visions of choking him either. I just feel really sad and don't want to be around him so much anymore.






Thanks for posting that, K...and I agree with the idea that Bravo, in a CYA move, made Marcel out to be the bad guy early on.

It bothers me, too, to read the "blame the victim" mentality going on. I, like the author of the post you quoted, don't look at people the same way after they've done it.

Also, as I said in a previous post, when going to school--because of my height and basic Amazon nature--I was always one of the first (and usually the first) to step in to protect someone who was being picked on. I later became friends with some of the victims and, believe me, the experience of being singled out for abuse, especially by a gang of peers, is something they carry with them for a long time. It also makes other people in their peer group look at the victim different, too...unless they themselves have been bullied, it's easy (especially for school-age kids) to look at the victim and think "Something must be wrong with them."

I think part of that is that they want to convince themselves that they could never become one of the bullies' victims...that there was something aberrant with the bullies' victim(s) to trigger the bullies' assault(s).

Anyway, thanks for posting that.
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.




I don't think so. Elia was the only one who didn't hate him and she not only didn't help, but may have instigated the whole thing?

Maybe one of the older chefs like Otto, Frank or even Betty? Although Frank & Betty were certainly no fans of Marcel so....





Ya know.Something tells me as much as Frank and Betty couldn't stand Marcel.they would have jumped in...They were much more up front about their dislike of him.
They didn't hide behind the shifty eyes and grins.
Most peeps would have jumped in I think...Even Mikey.

Josie would have made into Cliff a lentil puree....lol
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Holster - Thank you for the link, shocking. Also, thank you for the other links you’ve posted, such as one to the article from NewYorkmetro.com, Marcel Doesn’t Love Joël Robuchon That Much - New York Magazine’s Daily Intelligencer. Again, shocking!





I laughed out loud when I read that article. Who says Ilan isn't funny. lol.
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.

High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....




I'm sure both Mia and Josie would have. In fact, Josie looks like she could put Cliff in a full nelson and move in for the pin.




DON'T THINK SO

BUT THEY'D HAVE A GOOD TIME TRYING EH???



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Well, I have to admit that watching a couple of women take Cliff down would have been more entertaining than what we saw the other night. :-)




WHHHHHOOOOOOO YEA

(SOMETHING A PRO WRESTLER WAY BACK USED TO SAY HIS NAME THE MISSING LINK )

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BLAST

THEN AGAIN

I THINK KRISTI IC MC AND SIZ DID THAT HERE LOL

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Funny, you say Marcel could have hurt Ilan's eye...I didn't see any black eye on Ilan, (too bad!) but Marcel did have bruises and carpet burns..so who really got hurt here? How did Marcel know Cliff wasn't going to hurt him? There sure hadn't been any indication of friendship shown so far in the show towards him. Plus, at first he didn't even KNOW it was Cliff. Controlled? WTF have you been reading??? Controlled alright, by the three a-holes!




And, just a little added note. I hope once back in Vegas, the restaurant owners there see this and tell Elia to 'PACK HER KNIVES AND LEAVE TOWN"! In the beginning when she said she had worked with him before, defended him, blah blah blah, she showed herself to be a good person, someone who would be nice to work with. THEN, after joining the 'DARK SIDE", she turned her back on someone she concidered a friend. Go back to your family Elia, cook for them because any self-respecting chef should be afraid to have you in their kitchen. JMHO, take it or leave it.




I'm plain nervous Elia even is allowed to possess sharp knives. After her 34 culinary degrees the woman's dream job is to become a butcher. As slow as she moves I can't believe any place would hire her unless she was paid by the piece.




LOL, that is all based on the assumption that someone would HIRE her in the first place. You would have to have a full-time therapist on duty to calm her down every times she wanted to queeeeet or geeeeeeeeeve up. Trudy Chase comes to mind...
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