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Does it really matter who wins top Chef?

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I suppose that it really does not to the viewers. I would think it does to the contestants. Especially after suffering through the indignities showered on them by living conditions and the rules of the competition. I am astonished and awed that anyone could or would do it!

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All I can say is Ilan and Elia are very lucky that they are such good looking people. I sincerly hope Elia donated her hair to Locks for Love.

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Elia has proven to be just as shallow as the other idiots on this show, so I am sure she just threw the hair in the garbage, kind of like the careers of these yahoos.

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Gonna go for now have fun everyone....later

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Have fun birthday boy. Blow out all your candles! Best wishes, and maybe Jen will spank you if you're lucky....
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never trust what you see on tv or film. Editors work magic.
watch close. there's a cut as we see Marcel walk into the bathroom. then another cut as he comes out and whacks the camera. How do we know the scene of him walking in the bathroom came AFTER getting jumped by Cliff. That could have been shot 2 weeks earlier. <shrug> there's no way we could possibly know. It LOOKS like he's dressed the same, lighting is the same but anytime you see a cut there's a chance of editing.

Why would he go in the bathroom and take off his T-shirt and pants? If you just got jumped; would you strip down to your boxers? what if Ilan jumped him or Sam. who wants to fight in their boxers. that's a pretty vulnerable feeling. Most people would keep their clothes on in that situation. I certainly would.

I'm not taking a position on this. I wasn't in the editing room. But, it is something to think about.

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I just viewed some stills from the episode. In the stills, Marcel has just broken free from Cliff and is walking away. Elia is clearly seen to his right, on the floor laughing - with a full head of hair!!!! That means that their attack and attempt to shave his head happened prior to shaving their head. Which makes their actions even worse - they continued with their revalry and laughing after Marcel was attacked. It proves Elia did know what was going on and obviously found it as funny as Sam and Ilan did - horrible just horrible. And it shows they obviously had no guilt or concerns about what they did. We were lead to believe what we saw happened last - when really it began their drunken escapades.

Shame on you bravo for trying to make this look less than it was. Poor decision on the parts of the editors to make it look that way. And now I'm upset with Tom's blog seeming to state the same event when he implies that he saw the original video. If that was so than obviously you knew all along that they attacked Marcel first.

I would also like to point out that Cliff only apologized after he was kicked off the show - after he had been caught. If he had been a real man, he would have apologized immediately or first thing the next morning. And before he left, it was Marcel that initiated the bridge for a reconcilliation of some sorts when he told Cliff "sorry it had to work out this way." As if Marcel had anything to apologize for in that particular situation.

I'm thoroughly disgusted!

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OMG! ROTFLMAO!!! Someone just drug you off the couch, flipped you over on your stomach and jumped on top...you get away, and then come back in your boxers...(I'd finish this, but.....I'm not that guy)

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never trust what you see on tv or film. Editors work magic.
watch close. there's a cut as we see Marcel walk into the bathroom. then another cut as he comes out and whacks the camera. How do we know the scene of him walking in the bathroom came AFTER getting jumped by Cliff. That could have been shot 2 weeks earlier. <shrug> there's no way we could possibly know. It LOOKS like he's dressed the same, lighting is the same but anytime you see a cut there's a chance of editing.

Why would he go in the bathroom and take off his T-shirt and pants? If you just got jumped; would you strip down to your boxers? what if Ilan jumped him or Sam. who wants to fight in their boxers. that's a pretty vulnerable feeling. Most people would keep their clothes on in that situation. I certainly would.

I'm not taking a position on this. I wasn't in the editing room. But, it is something to think about.

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The when the accomidations on a tv show begin to resemble one of those trains in India with the people hanging off them you knwo its bad.

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So we're bashing poor Indians now?

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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...

With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?

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I think it would have stopped everyone in their tracks. Yes. As Tom C said, being silent is as bad as actively doing something wrong. In that sense, the producers, and Tom, if he knew about it, are at fault for "permitting" if not "encouraging" Marcel bashing. As a former teacher and design studio manager, I know the value of a few well chosen words. Even with "adults." As my father said, running a business is 90% people problems, 10% business.

So, yes, I do think so. But Betty is a wild card, and nothing may have stopped her narcissistic rages. Ilan is a coward and would have towed the line. Sam and Elia too.

So instead of the drama, we probably would have seen more "silent treatment." THAT would have sent the producers into depression....which perhaps is where they wiil be sent when they realize how inhumanely they have used these people for monetary gain.

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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...

With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?

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I think it would have stopped everyone in their tracks. Yes. As Tom C said, being silent is as bad as actively doing something wrong. In that sense, the producers, and Tom, if he knew about it, are at fault for "permitting" if not "encouraging" Marcel bashing. As a former teacher and design studio manager, I know the value of a few well chosen words. Even with "adults." As my father said, running a business is 90% people problems, 10% business.

So, yes, I do think so. But Betty is a wild card, and nothing may have stopped her narcissistic rages. Ilan is a coward and would have towed the line. Sam and Elia too.

So instead of the drama, we probably would have seen more "silent treatment." THAT would have sent the producers into depression....which perhaps is where they wiil be sent when they realize how inhumanely they have used these people for monetary gain.

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is that a roll of quarters in Cliffs pocket?
or is he just happy top to see Marcel?
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I found this, It really gives you a "sense" of things.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/DrMinor/TC2A.jpg

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Since I already have my devils advocate suit on and swishing my tail around, here is a thought...IF they had to make Marcel out to be a hated guy because of the Wrestle Mania night, and IF they worked something out with him so he would co-operate with them for the whole season, and IF they could threaten the WWF A-hole team with something that would make them keep their mouths shut, WHAT IF this whole season is just a farce and Marcel was going to win all along because he LET THEM use him for ratings...hhmmmm?

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LOL. they don't call it a devil's advocate for nothing. LOL. That just seems too involved and convoluted to actually work. Besides, I don't think Marcel would ever agree to something so duplicitous ...it would eventually get out and his reputation would be sullied. The others? Eh!
I could see it. But I don't think they are smart enough or disciplined enough to carry it through. And thank God they aren't.

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Hey, just cause I'm a savant doesn't mean I'm a savey savant. I bet Kristl didn't want me to come to Mardi Gras so she could have all the guys...BIATCH! I'll WOPNER her!

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Bead me up, Scotty!

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Marcel could sue at any time. I'm just glad he has the kind of integrity the others lack and won't stoop to a MickyD-style lawsuit.
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Agree with you.

As I said by letting the Frank incident passed unchecked they are as guilty as any of the others. It is their rules about threatening, Bravo/Top Chef wrote the contract they all signed. Seems to me no contestant really read the fine print either. .

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I feel the exact same way. They might as well put a sign on Marcel that said "contestants personal scapegoat" say or do what you want.

I am in no way saying Marcel is an angel, but it became clear pretty quick to me as a viewer and I'm sure to the other contestants . That being negative to Marcel was the "popular" thing to do, and an anything goes attitude was excepted and encouraged by the producers.

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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...

With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?

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I wondered about that too. Tom C's blog states "Bravo's Legal department advised us of the Top Chef rules, which stated that harming or threatening to harm other contestants was potential grounds for disqualification."

If that was the case, and if "threatening to harm" another contestant was grounds for disqualification just as much as "actually harming" one was, then why wasn't Frank disqualified for his threat against Marcel? Maybe Bravo didn't feel the threat was "serious" or "serious enough" at the time?

I liked Frank (at least better than I liked other contestants at the time), and I don't despise Marcel, but if you're going to apply a set of rules, you shouldn't get to pick and choose who those rules apply to, and it seems to me that Bravo played a double standard in dealing with Cliff and Frank.

Yes, I think all the remaining chefs played atrocious and possibly dangerous and damaging parts in what was done to Marcel, but if they disqualified them all, there would be no show left, which means an abrupt end to the season, an abrupt end to the viewership, and an abrupt end to the drama, to Bravo's numbers in the ratings, and to the intense discussion of it here.

Nevertheless, it still bugs me that Frank wasn't held to the same "rules" microscope as Cliff for his verbal threat against Marcel.

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everyone is taking this thing way too seriously.

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And the proof lies in this:

1) Cliff was taped live Wed night blathering on and on about he treated Marcel as a little brother and that they were friends. And we all know what a crock that was and is. So, why??? Why this lying on Cliff's part?? BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE SERIOUSLY FUKED UP! If it truly was just a prank, just roomates havin a bit of fun, he would be saying so...but he's not.

2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.

This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.

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But Justme being a Staight male I am a bono fide card carrying Lesbian...I was voted in...and I'm not kidding

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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."

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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."

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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."

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