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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
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Should of Known you'd get a hard on Sooner..lol Kobe Beef as Homor Simpson would say HMMMMMMM Kobe Beef..me too
LOL... I've never even had any real Japaneese Kobe. I've had the American Kobe but I hear that it isn't the same.
Dang you Sooner now I want Kobe Beef or a facsimile for my b-day dinner tonight...can it be a facsimle don't think I can afford $50 a 1/4 pound because I need to eat atleast a pound smothered with shrooms and some A1 on the side ...not to mention a loaded baked potato...I Know heart attack waiting to happen...lol
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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.
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All I can say is Ilan and Elia are very lucky that they are such good looking people. I sincerly hope Elia donated her hair to Locks for Love.
Elia has proven to be just as shallow as the other idiots on this show, so I am sure she just threw the hair in the garbage, kind of like the careers of these yahoos.
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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
In my humble opinion a threat is a threat, and Frank threatened Marcel.
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I'm fed up with this thread. People can't even take a simple joke anymore. I'll be back in a couple weeks to
calmly and rationally talk about the winner.
Do you seriously believe that in a couple of weeks the discussion here will get miraculously more calm and rational? If anything, it's going to get even more heated and more emotionally charged. Hon, if you thought they were taking things way too seriously this week, just wait till the finale--you aint seen nothin' yet!
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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
Saying "if" doesn't matter, it was a threat nonetheless, and considering that Frank is considerably larger and more vocally and physically assertive than Marcel, it leaves little doubt as to the statement's full weight on the "little guy."
And while Cliff would have most likely ended up being eliminated for his dishes in the same episode as his elimination for harming another contestant, at least Frank was given another episode's chance to prove himself, and was eliminated legitimately on his dishes alone.
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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.
Thank God for sloppy editors...the truth will out!
Shall we call this Clippergate?
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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
Marcel did not admit breaking the glasses. No one knows who did it. However Frank said that he demanded that Marcel pay for them, and Marcel said he would. Probably to calm down the enraged bully.
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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.
Thank God for sloppy editors...the truth will out!
Shall we call this Clippergate?
LOL....Why not. The only problem is that we the audience won't get to impeach anybody.
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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.
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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.
Thank God for sloppy editors...the truth will out!
Shall we call this Clippergate?
LOL....Why not. The only problem is that we the audience won't get to impeach anybody.
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everyone is taking this thing way too seriously.
it's a freaken tv show. the production people put these people into a pressure cooker. Read Tom C's Blog.
He explains some of the rules. These people weren't given ANY WAY to relax and get away from each other. They couldn't listen to music on headphones, no tv. They couldn't even take a walk to calm down. Marcel on rapping on the roof? That was a violation of the rules. It was a staged scene. These people had cameras in their faces every moment of the day and night.
don't take my word for it. Read the contestant rules for yourself
http://www.bravotv.com/blog/tomcolicchio/2...f_champions.php
Given the circumstances I'm amazed something worse didn't happen. So Cliff snapped. Get over it.
I'm fed up with this thread. People can't even take a simple joke anymore. I'll be back in a couple weeks to
calmly and rationally talk about the winner.
Adios
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is that a roll of quarters in Cliffs pocket?
or is he just happy top to see Marcel?
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I'm not sure what is sicker. Cliff's assault on Marcel or the comment by s_puppet.
Oh heck...a tie!
I think we all agree with you when you say it is a reality tv show, what we are saying is the management let the incident happen by not checking it way back when the Frank threat happened. They are responsible also to the prank happening. Then they, the management gets all self righteous and kick Sam off the show. They can not have it both ways. They need to apply the rules equally or not at all. They are just as responsible as the pranksters were in all of this.
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everyone is taking this thing way too seriously.
it's a freaken tv show. the production people put these people into a pressure cooker. Read Tom C's Blog.
He explains some of the rules. These people weren't given ANY WAY to relax and get away from each other. They couldn't listen to music on headphones, no tv. They couldn't even take a walk to calm down. Marcel on rapping on the roof? That was a violation of the rules. It was a staged scene. These people had cameras in their faces every moment of the day and night.
don't take my word for it. Read the contestant rules for yourself
http://www.bravotv.com/blog/tomcolicchio/2...f_champions.php
Given the circumstances I'm amazed something worse didn't happen. So Cliff snapped. Get over it.
I'm fed up with this thread. People can't even take a simple joke anymore. I'll be back in a couple weeks to
calmly and rationally talk about the winner.
Adios
S-puppet
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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...
With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?
I wondered about that too. Tom C's blog states "Bravo's Legal department advised us of the Top Chef rules, which stated that harming or threatening to harm other contestants was potential grounds for disqualification."
If that was the case, and if "threatening to harm" another contestant was grounds for disqualification just as much as "actually harming" one was, then why wasn't Frank disqualified for his threat against Marcel? Maybe Bravo didn't feel the threat was "serious" or "serious enough" at the time?
I liked Frank (at least better than I liked other contestants at the time), and I don't despise Marcel, but if you're going to apply a set of rules, you shouldn't get to pick and choose who those rules apply to, and it seems to me that Bravo played a double standard in dealing with Cliff and Frank.
Yes, I think all the remaining chefs played atrocious and possibly dangerous and damaging parts in what was done to Marcel, but if they disqualified them all, there would be no show left, which means an abrupt end to the season, an abrupt end to the viewership, and an abrupt end to the drama, to Bravo's numbers in the ratings, and to the intense discussion of it here.
Nevertheless, it still bugs me that Frank wasn't held to the same "rules" microscope as Cliff for his verbal threat against Marcel.
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Too funny! No matter what anyone says, I think our pets pick us. We are just to stupid to realize we've been had. lol Ya know those fabreeze commercials where the lady picks up all the toys and puts them away, sprays the carpet and when she turns around, all the toys are nose down on he carpet? That is EXACTLY what happens in our house. If I pick up all the toys and put them away, by the end of the day, they are all back out and all over the livingroom. Hubby and I laugh about it all the time. I think the only reason I pick up the toys is to see how long it takes for them to all get scattered again.
MINE IS PICKY FOR SURE
BUT I MUST SAY
THOUGH VERY SASSY
SHE IS PRETTY NEAT
SHE WILL ONLY PULL OUT ONE TOY AT A TIME
IF I REACH IN TO GRAB ANOTHER
SHE WILL TAKE IT
TURN HER BACK
AS IF IN DISGUST
AND STOP PLAYING
SOOOOOOOOOO SASSY
I LOVE ME BABY
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
WELL, sounds like she has you trained pretty good! lol
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everyone is taking this thing way too seriously.
And the proof lies in this:
1) Cliff was taped live Wed night blathering on and on about he treated Marcel as a little brother and that they were friends. And we all know what a crock that was and is. So, why??? Why this lying on Cliff's part?? BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE SERIOUSLY FUKED UP! If it truly was just a prank, just roomates havin a bit of fun, he would be saying so...but he's not.
2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
I would also have to question Bravo's integrity in having CLIFF on to spew a load of butt-covering crap, rather than having Marcel on for the interview. What, exactly, were they afraid Marcel would say? Their credibility goes down even further with that crassly promotional move, IMO.
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Dang you Justme NOW you have ruined it for all us Savants..BRAVO promised us a Sky Box if we made it to Afficianado and you give us this SPOILER now? Only a Soap Box? OHHH I'm wasting my life for that merit badge shame on you BRAVO
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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...
With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?
I wondered about that too. Tom C's blog states "Bravo's Legal department advised us of the Top Chef rules, which stated that harming or threatening to harm other contestants was potential grounds for disqualification."
If that was the case, and if "threatening to harm" another contestant was grounds for disqualification just as much as "actually harming" one was, then why wasn't Frank disqualified for his threat against Marcel? Maybe Bravo didn't feel the threat was "serious" or "serious enough" at the time?
I liked Frank (at least better than I liked other contestants at the time), and I don't despise Marcel, but if you're going to apply a set of rules, you shouldn't get to pick and choose who those rules apply to, and it seems to me that Bravo played a double standard in dealing with Cliff and Frank.
Yes, I think all the remaining chefs played atrocious and possibly dangerous and damaging parts in what was done to Marcel, but if they disqualified them all, there would be no show left, which means an abrupt end to the season, an abrupt end to the viewership, and an abrupt end to the drama, to Bravo's numbers in the ratings, and to the intense discussion of it here.
Nevertheless, it still bugs me that Frank wasn't held to the same "rules" microscope as Cliff for his verbal threat against Marcel.
I am not saying they really had to send Frank home for the threatening (and it states that they can), they could have sent Tom in there when it happened and spoke to Frank about the rules and then spoke to the group to remind them all what was in the contract they signed. This group of cheftestants were spinning out of control from almost the beginning and they needed, the management, to step in and stop it when the Frank threatening of Marcel happened.
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Hubby's cousins do a lot of traveling. Bike shows, car shows, etc. They also go to Indy and Taladega (sp) Once a friend took a remote control car, removed the body and put a baby car seat on it. Then they put the dog in it and drove him around in the pit. Guess all the crews were taking pix and stuff. Sounded pretty cool.
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First I think Frank leaving this stuff near the kitchen sink is not right, he should have picked it up and put it on his bed. My only comment on the incident with Marcel putting Frank's belonging on the floor is, Gosh I wish Marcel had put them on Frank's bed instead of the floor.
I remember Marcel saying that the beds were covered with Sam and Frank's clothes.
I think the problem really began when Marcel told Sam what he had done in sort of a conspiratorial way...the way a 6th grader would do. Again, I think Marcel's child-likeness is due to Asperger's but whatever.
Unfortunately, instead of ignoring Marcel or telling him it was a disrespectful thing to do and to apologize to Frank, Sam acted like a 5th grader and ratted out Marcel (talk about rat-boy!) to the 8th grader Frank, who then threatened, well, we know the rest.
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LOL Justme but I still want your Sky Box...err or is it a Soap Box...don't know if all us Savants could fit on a soap box but we sure will try! UH wait that sounded so wrong everyone back in the bus! HEY one at a time ...great we are all now stuck in the damn door again....uhmm who brought the butter?
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I just viewed some stills from the episode. In the stills, Marcel has just broken free from Cliff and is walking away. Elia is clearly seen to his right, on the floor laughing - with a full head of hair!!!! That means that their attack and attempt to shave his head happened prior to shaving their head. Which makes their actions even worse - they continued with their revalry and laughing after Marcel was attacked. It proves Elia did know what was going on and obviously found it as funny as Sam and Ilan did - horrible just horrible. And it shows they obviously had no guilt or concerns about what they did. We were lead to believe what we saw happened last - when really it began their drunken escapades.
Shame on you bravo for trying to make this look less than it was. Poor decision on the parts of the editors to make it look that way. And now I'm upset with Tom's blog seeming to state the same event when he implies that he saw the original video. If that was so than obviously you knew all along that they attacked Marcel first.
I would also like to point out that Cliff only apologized after he was kicked off the show - after he had been caught. If he had been a real man, he would have apologized immediately or first thing the next morning. And before he left, it was Marcel that initiated the bridge for a reconcilliation of some sorts when he told Cliff "sorry it had to work out this way." As if Marcel had anything to apologize for in that particular situation.
I'm thoroughly disgusted!
Saw those too. You know that Marcel must have agreed to all this. There is no way they could have done all this lying and not have him co-operate...JMO, take it or leave it...(O:
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I think the problem really began when Marcel told Sam what he had done in sort of a conspiratorial way...the way a 6th grader would do. Again, I think Marcel's child-likeness is due to Asperger's but whatever.
Unfortunately, instead of ignoring Marcel or telling him it was a disrespectful thing to do and to apologize to Frank, Sam acted like a 5th grader and ratted out Marcel (talk about rat-boy!) to the 8th grader Frank, who then threatened, well, we know the rest.
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Agree with your assessment. To me this is a great example of all the adults (?) Marcel included, acting badly. As I said the whole this has been spinning out of control from almost the beginning. Like I also they needed to be taken out behind the barn. No one is without blame...from the management to the contestants.
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...I seriously doubt if it were Chef Tom's kitchen he would get rid of everybody and close down the kitchen for latent rather than patent behavior. Imagine how pleased reserved diners, banquets, suppliers, union contracted services and the like would react. Eliminate the worst offender and move on,
The Elves sign a contract to produce a specified number of episodes for Bravo. It would be a litigious mess to close production a declare a default winner. Can you imagine being in litigation with Sears, Toyota, et al.?...
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WHAT CAN I SAY
DANG THAT WOMAN IS FINE.........
OOP THERE'S THAT COMMERCIAL AGAIN
POKER AFTER DARK
YEAH YEAH
I'M HIP I'M HIP
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
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So there are what? a handful of us left watching this thing...
Yes, and sadly enough I am one of them. Sigh....
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But you are an afficianado now JMe. No more savanting for you.
HEY YOU'RE A LITTLE SMUG FOR A MEAGER SAVANT
NOW
DIET COKE
CHOP CHOP
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Diet Coke and a little rum-a-dum-dum???? Coming right up Mr. Afficionado.
NAH
ALOT OF RUM A DUMM DUMM
GOTTA GET DUMMER LOL
PLUS HAVE TO FEED THE PICKLE
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Does the pickles helmet get in the way???? (O:
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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...
With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?
I wondered about that too. Tom C's blog states "Bravo's Legal department advised us of the Top Chef rules, which stated that harming or threatening to harm other contestants was potential grounds for disqualification."
If that was the case, and if "threatening to harm" another contestant was grounds for disqualification just as much as "actually harming" one was, then why wasn't Frank disqualified for his threat against Marcel? Maybe Bravo didn't feel the threat was "serious" or "serious enough" at the time?
I liked Frank (at least better than I liked other contestants at the time), and I don't despise Marcel, but if you're going to apply a set of rules, you shouldn't get to pick and choose who those rules apply to, and it seems to me that Bravo played a double standard in dealing with Cliff and Frank.
Yes, I think all the remaining chefs played atrocious and possibly dangerous and damaging parts in what was done to Marcel, but if they disqualified them all, there would be no show left, which means an abrupt end to the season, an abrupt end to the viewership, and an abrupt end to the drama, to Bravo's numbers in the ratings, and to the intense discussion of it here.
Nevertheless, it still bugs me that Frank wasn't held to the same "rules" microscope as Cliff for his verbal threat against Marcel.
I am not saying they really had to send Frank home for the threatening (and it states that they can), they could have sent Tom in there when it happened and spoke to Frank about the rules and then spoke to the group to remind them all what was in the contract they signed. This group of cheftestants were spinning out of control from almost the beginning and they needed, the management, to step in and stop it when the Frank threatening of Marcel happened.
I can see both sides of this. My gut reaction is to 100% agree with you and to say, "Yes, if production or Tom C had told the entire group that physical violence and threats of physical violence would not be tolerated, that it probably would have prevented the assault on Marcel."
On the other hand, these contestants are holding themselves forth as having top chef qualities. Who in their most crack-enhanced mind would ever think that TC contestants would do something like this? They are supposed to be adults.
Also, since we don't see everything that goes on, production/Tom C may have had a talk with the contestants somewhere along the way regarding Frank's threats of physical violence.
Part of me still wonders if production didn't somehow let the bully-gang believe that they could get away with assaulting Marcel. It just seems so bizarre to think that the bully-gang would do it otherwise.
But then, even if the bully-gang believed they could get away with it, that still doesn't excuse them for engaging in what is clearly WRONG activity. Where is there moral character? Were they all raised in crack houses?
What really is bad is Elia now wrapping herself in the cloak of the Christian faith, claiming how important it is to her, how she reads the Bible every day, yadda yadda yadda. Clearly, if she actually does study the Bible every day, she must be limiting it to the Book of Job, because NOTHING that Jesus Christ ever espoused was reflected in her actions that night.
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LOL> All is fair in love and war.
I had a Betty moment.
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BTW, Does anyone know if Elia's recipe for the last episode is the same for both her QF and the elimination dinner??
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LOL> All is fair in love and war.
I had a Betty moment.
~H
NO BIGGIES HOLSTER BRILL HAS MOMENTS AS WELL
EVERYBODY DOES I THINK
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
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Happy B-day Actor. What time is the donkey showing up?
Psst TC that was a surprise...what now Justme and revieling that Bravo only gives us Soap Boxes and not Sky Boxes as promised and you Spoil the fact the board got me a donkey....what's next no As* too mouth?
LOL
DONKEYS ALREADY HERE LOL
BEEN WACKING IT WITH A STICK BUT NUTHIN COMES OUT
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
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everyone is taking this thing way too seriously.
And I repeat....
It sounds like you have never been pulled from your bed late at night while sleeping by someone twice your size and weight and then was picked up off the floor and taken to the ground in a hold that has been banished from high school and colege wrestling because it has caused too many broken necks, and all the while having people who have previously threatened and screamed in your face, laughing and egging the assaulter on.
These were and are not Marcel's friends. They are not high school or frat boys, they are not brothers...they are people who intensely dislike and hate Marcel and want him gone. And everyone knows that.
You have no idea of the terror the psyche goes through. Nor the strain put upon the physical heart.
And if you did, you and those like you would never write what you have written. And it's only that ignorance that saves you from the condemnation you would otherwise deserve.
You have uneccessarily exaggerated the general concerns expressed in this forum. It was an aggressive assault. It could have resulted in serious physical injury, even death, especially considering Cliff's drunken state and resulting impaired judgment. It could have been pursued legally. Marcel chose not to. Good for him.
Any attempt to dilute it's seriousness is just as heinous in nature as the assault itself. We watch for children who torture animals because its an indicator of serious sociopathic tendencies. So too any unwanted physical assault by an unfriendly person upon another innocent person asleep in the safety of his home, temoprary or otherwise.
The inviolatibilty of the human person is a sacred and cherished right in a free society. The sole purpose of our laws is to protect that god-given right. No one should ever be made to feel in jeopardy of it. Ever.
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.
High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....
You may think this sounds odd, after his actual threatening Marcel, but I think Frank wouldn't have put up with it. Frank is a good guy and I don't think he would condone a gang of people going against one person. It just doesn't seem like something he would be with.
I totally agree...Frank is not easily led.He is older and wiser..A Chef is always a gentleman he said.Well.not always Frank but I do think he would have had no part in that childish cruel behavior.
I shall be the devils advocate here....Didn't Frank let Sam get him all riled up about his toothbrush???? Just askin.
MMMMMMMMMM EBE
DANG YOU LOOK CUTE WITH HORNS
AND THAT TAIL
WEEEE LLLL
KINKY LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Had to get my devils advocate suit out of moth balls. Still fits though which is a good thing since I didn't know I was going to be needing it so soon. Like that tail do ya??? ~~~swish swish~~~(tail wagging)
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.
High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....
You may think this sounds odd, after his actual threatening Marcel, but I think Frank wouldn't have put up with it. Frank is a good guy and I don't think he would condone a gang of people going against one person. It just doesn't seem like something he would be with.
I totally agree...Frank is not easily led.He is older and wiser..A Chef is always a gentleman he said.Well.not always Frank but I do think he would have had no part in that childish cruel behavior.
I shall be the devils advocate here....Didn't Frank let Sam get him all riled up about his toothbrush???? Just askin.
MMMMMMMMMM EBE
DANG YOU LOOK CUTE WITH HORNS
AND THAT TAIL
WEEEE LLLL
KINKY LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Had to get my devils advocate suit out of moth balls. Still fits though which is a good thing since I didn't know I was going to be needing it so soon. Like that tail do ya??? ~~~swish swish~~~(tail wagging)
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Miss Savant 2007 has to be fair and impartial....lol
Yes Siz ...We can be co/ Miss Savants 2007
You did by rights get to the top first..Even if you did sleep with all the judges to get there...I will overlook that...If we need each other and cannot fufill our duties we will step in for one another.
Our first project as co Miss Savants of 2007????
Lets see if we can my arse out of that bus door why don't we???
It's killing me....Heeeeeeelp!Where's Paula with that damn butter???
And then we get JUSTME to be just a wee bit less shy ...lol
After that...we party like it's 1999..After all... we are pageant winners.
Woooooohooooooo
Debauchery.... dancing ......and Donald!
Hey Kristl, I have no problem sharing the MISS SAVANT 2007 title, however, I do resemble that remark about "sleeping my way to the top". AND, because you choose to ignore my methods of sculdugery, I will not be sharing the video of the climb to the top!! AND, boy are you missing something!!!! It was an amazing feat, so many judges, so few orafices...LOL
WELL..Hmmmph...I TRIED to sleep my way to the top but
the judges kept saying sumpthin' about that crazy wild sexy
girl named Sizzler and man did she Sizzle who was sooooo good NOONE could ever compete.
I got ferklempt and ran out of the room knee
pads in hand.
IF I ever get my hands on that vidoe tape....I shall
Pam Anderson it..make millions and retire to Hawaii with Justme....Oh and....pffffft..You can keep the tiara beeyatch!!
CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!.....lol
HEY!!! I'm not your BIATCH, BIATCH!!! And if you try to run off with JustMe and all the money...weeeeeellll, there will be a CAT FIGHT for sure!!! BRING IT ON!!!
lmao
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNGGG
FORGET THE MONEY
I'LL JUST WATCH
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
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I wonder who, if any, of the original chefs might have stood up for Marcel that awful night. Certainly, not Betty. Maybe Mia or Josie.
High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....
You may think this sounds odd, after his actual threatening Marcel, but I think Frank wouldn't have put up with it. Frank is a good guy and I don't think he would condone a gang of people going against one person. It just doesn't seem like something he would be with.
I totally agree...Frank is not easily led.He is older and wiser..A Chef is always a gentleman he said.Well.not always Frank but I do think he would have had no part in that childish cruel behavior.
I shall be the devils advocate here....Didn't Frank let Sam get him all riled up about his toothbrush???? Just askin.
MMMMMMMMMM EBE
DANG YOU LOOK CUTE WITH HORNS
AND THAT TAIL
WEEEE LLLL
KINKY LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Had to get my devils advocate suit out of moth balls. Still fits though which is a good thing since I didn't know I was going to be needing it so soon. Like that tail do ya??? ~~~swish swish~~~(tail wagging)
Yeah Right Siz " Oh I didn't Know I'd need it this soon" Like you did not know it was Mardi Gras already? Sorry should of sent you the Savant memo...Hey Kristl I said send Siz the memo...so much to do being the head Savant yeah Head Savant size 32 K-mart, Wholppner on at 4..Soap Boxes yeah
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everyone is taking this thing way too seriously.
And I repeat....
It sounds like you have never been pulled from your bed late at night while sleeping by someone twice your size and weight and then was picked up off the floor and taken to the ground in a hold that has been banished from high school and colege wrestling because it has caused too many broken necks, and all the while having people who have previously threatened and screamed in your face, laughing and egging the assaulter on.
These were and are not Marcel's friends. They are not high school or frat boys, they are not brothers...they are people who intensely dislike and hate Marcel and want him gone. And everyone knows that.
You have no idea of the terror the psyche goes through. Nor the strain put upon the physical heart.
And if you did, you and those like you would never write what you have written. And it's only that ignorance that saves you from the condemnation you would otherwise deserve.
You have uneccessarily exaggerated the general concerns expressed in this forum. It was an aggressive assault. It could have resulted in serious physical injury, even death, especially considering Cliff's drunken state and resulting impaired judgment. It could have been pursued legally. Marcel chose not to. Good for him.
Any attempt to dilute it's seriousness is just as heinous in nature as the assault itself. We watch for children who torture animals because its an indicator of serious sociopathic tendencies. So too any unwanted physical assault by an unfriendly person upon another innocent person asleep in the safety of his home, temoprary or otherwise.
The inviolatibilty of the human person is a sacred and cherished right in a free society. The sole purpose of our laws is to protect that god-given right. No one should ever be made to feel in jeopardy of it. Ever.
and I'll repeat...for the last time..I'm so over this....there is NO way you can compare this act to the one you are trying to compare it to. And by doing that I think you are doing a grave dissevice to real assauts. This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???) There was no danger....he was not going to get killed. he could have slipped in the shower on a bar of soap...we can what if anything to death. How can you guys keep comparing this to a dark alley mugging? It wasn't. Marcel was pissed cause cliff was on him. He wasn't screaming in pain...he was trying to get away. And yes..I still think what he did with the camera was worse....cause it was done in pure anger. (IF it even happened afterwards) For all we know...bravo could have sliced some footage together. We have NO idea...which again...is why everyone shoudl just calm down about it.
maybe marcel was going to the bathroom previously and was just walking pulling his pants up. that's the thing....we don't know. Editors are magicians. Maybe that's why they aren't having a reuinion? maybe it didn't happen the way we saw it? are there any interveiws with the chefs about it?
yes I"ve been assualted and in REAL fear of beaten to death (although it didn't hit me till afterwards). have three convicts that are already serving life attack you...then come crying about rug burns.
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LOL> All is fair in love and war.
I had a Betty moment.
~H
NO BIGGIES HOLSTER BRILL HAS MOMENTS AS WELL
EVERYBODY DOES I THINK
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
thanks JM.
But it was harsh and crude.
So, Brill, my apologies for that crack.
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I understand that you think that our reaction makes light of real assaults, but that is entirely not the case. What happened to Marcel is unacceptable behavior and the kind of assaults you describe are also unacceptable. What I have a problem with is that you said:
"There was no danger"
We all saw Cliff hold Marcel down by his neck. That could easily turn into a very serious injury. Like some hockey player got punched in the neck and now he's paralyzed. Yes, Cliff did not go into this planning to hurt Marcel but it could happen. The fact that nothing more serious than rug burn and bruises happened does not change its unacceptability.