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LOL> All is fair in love and war.
I had a Betty moment.
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EVERYBODY DOES I THINK

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

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thanks JM.
But it was harsh and crude.
So, Brill, my apologies for that crack.

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PROTECT THE FORUM IN THIER OWN WAY

YES THE WORDS WERE HARSH

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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.

This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.

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They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.

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thanks JM.
But it was harsh and crude.
So, Brill, my apologies for that crack.

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WELL I FEEL BRILL AND EVEN HOLSTER

PROTECT THE FORUM IN THIER OWN WAY

YES THE WORDS WERE HARSH

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It was crude and uncalled for.
Sorry, briilke.

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They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.

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Really you think he won? I hope so. His responses to interviews really confirms what I gathered from various sources. While Ilan just comes across as kinda crazy, have you seen his audition video on bravo? He's so fidgety and bragged about stupid things like getting fired for personality conflicts and how he likes to argue. I feel sorry Marcel had to put up with people like that.

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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...

(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)

You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

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HAving read the article, I am now convinced Marcel won.
And deservedly so. They really did torture him.
Ilan? reminds of that pitiful creature in Lord Of The Rings...who keeps saying "precious, my precious...." Sad.

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This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???)

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Really you think he won? I hope so. His responses to interviews really confirms what I gathered from various sources. While Ilan just comes across as kinda crazy, have you seen his audition video on bravo? He's so fidgety and bragged about stupid things like getting fired for personality conflicts and how he likes to argue. I feel sorry Marcel had to put up with people like that.

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You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

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HAving read the article, I am now convinced Marcel won.
And deservedly so. They really did torture him.
Ilan? reminds of that pitiful creature in Lord Of The Rings...who keeps saying "precious, my precious...." Sad.

Marcel is DOPE!

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I do. But of course I'monly guessing from the various clues. What I do know is that once Marcel's story does get out...as it is now...sympathy wil be wholly in his corner and Betty, Sam, Elan, and Elia should take themselves to a monastery/convent.

I can see people boycotting Grub in LA or Casa Mono in NYC and Salute in Jersey....not something I would endorse, but people are pretty passionate about this show and especially about how Marcel has been treated.

It really is astonishing that Tom C lends his name and reputation to this crap. They should have booted the brat pack as Tom requested and given the 100K to Marcel. If he loses, and sues now, I wouldn't blame him at all.

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The proof lies in the Executive Producer's blog. They knew NOTHING about the assault until Marcel mentioned it in passing during an interview the following day. Only then did they confiscate the tape. So, either the Executive Producer is out-and-out lying, which I find hardly credible, even for this gang, or it is as she said. If someone on sataff had been filming, they would have known about it immediately, and Tom would have been called imediately,

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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...

With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?

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I wondered about that too. Tom C's blog states "Bravo's Legal department advised us of the Top Chef rules, which stated that harming or threatening to harm other contestants was potential grounds for disqualification."

If that was the case, and if "threatening to harm" another contestant was grounds for disqualification just as much as "actually harming" one was, then why wasn't Frank disqualified for his threat against Marcel? Maybe Bravo didn't feel the threat was "serious" or "serious enough" at the time?

I liked Frank (at least better than I liked other contestants at the time), and I don't despise Marcel, but if you're going to apply a set of rules, you shouldn't get to pick and choose who those rules apply to, and it seems to me that Bravo played a double standard in dealing with Cliff and Frank.

Yes, I think all the remaining chefs played atrocious and possibly dangerous and damaging parts in what was done to Marcel, but if they disqualified them all, there would be no show left, which means an abrupt end to the season, an abrupt end to the viewership, and an abrupt end to the drama, to Bravo's numbers in the ratings, and to the intense discussion of it here.

Nevertheless, it still bugs me that Frank wasn't held to the same "rules" microscope as Cliff for his verbal threat against Marcel.

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The most important word in the sentence is potential-a little legal wiggle room. Marcel has publicly stated he was not afraid of Frank.

I seriously doubt if it were Chef Tom's kitchen he would get rid of everybody and close down the kitchen for latent rather than patent behavior. Imagine how pleased reserved diners, banquets, suppliers, union contracted services and the like would react. Eliminate the worst offender and move on,

The Elves sign a contract to produce a specified number of episodes for Bravo. It would be a litigious mess to close production a declare a default winner. Can you imagine being in litigation with Sears, Toyota, et al.?

I seem to remember the reality show "The Law Firm", with Roy Black, also shown on NBC/ Bravo. It was the first reality show I had watched--without explanation after a couple of episodes it vanished. The next reality show was TC1 and each week I was left wondering will it be back?

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never is till someone dies...and many have at frat hazings where this stuff happens...and i know ...i ran our hell week...sigma nu, u of az.

i'm sorry you can't grasp the notion of personal privacy and safety. maybe if yours is violated by someone twice as big as you who actively dislikes you, you might get a glimmer....

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no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.

I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.

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Kiasmama- see my post on the previous page.

And yes , it is a huge deal when you are awoken to somebody threatening you in a place where you SHOULD have been completely safe from this type of harassment.

I said this earlier but here it goes again, I thought that Cliff was going to seriously unzip his pants & go to town on poor Marcel. I can only imagine what was going through Marcel's mind. I most likely would've pissed my pants given those type of circumstances.

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never is till someone dies...and many have at frat hazings where this stuff happens...and i know ...i ran our hell week...sigma nu, u of az.

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no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.

I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.

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Funny, you say Marcel could have hurt Ilan's eye...I didn't see any black eye on Ilan, (too bad!) but Marcel did have bruises and carpet burns..so who really got hurt here? How did Marcel know Cliff wasn't going to hurt him? There sure hadn't been any indication of friendship shown so far in the show towards him. Plus, at first he didn't even KNOW it was Cliff. Controlled? WTF have you been reading??? Controlled alright, by the three a-holes!

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