ohiotodd
January 19, 2007 - 08:19 PM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
Kristlkrost
January 19, 2007 - 08:20 PM
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Holster said something about peeps are only as good as they were loved..No love..bad behavior to truly snippet to make it shorter..But sometimes the opposite of that is true..Too much love..IE.Scott Peterson.......I am in NO way comparing the two. I just mean some kids who have been treated like stars and spoiled all their lives have a lot of problems too.They have a sense of entitlement and no real value system as they were never held accountable.
That may be the case here.
Ah! BUt that is not love at all. That is a dangerous co-dependent relationship wherte the parent is more of a child than the child. True love sets boundaries and instills self-respect...something the brat pack lacks but Marcel is firmly founded upon.
True...But those parents really do think it is love....and there are of course different levels as to what I speak.
I am the mother of an only child /male.
That line is so thin..I had to fight my husband every day not to do that...and he seriously loved my son more than life itself...He just didn't have very good role models.....He was abused and tried to make up for it......See what I mean???
Yeah..... well even abusers think they love their kids I guess.
I think most peeps should be neutered at birth.
The things we do to our kids.....Oy!
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:22 PM
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Absolutely. I would really be interested in knowing their reason for changing the order of events that night. It seems that in an odd way, they are trying to protect Ilan and Elia by making it look like were hyped up about shaving their heads and they just took their excitement too far. Especially since right before they showed what happened that night, Sam said that it all started when Ilan and Elia decided to shave their heads. Obviously that was an intentional lie on Sam's part, but for some reason the producers felt that they needed to add his comment to the show.
Yes, and I think Tom says it too.
It could definitely be spin in case a lawsuit is eventually filed, but that's treading on some dangerous legal territory, since they could be named as co-consprators as well in a cover-up. (God, this sounds weird!)
However. they could have TALKED about shaving their heads and moving on to Marcel first, and then actually do it...it would all be on their tape. Could be a Clinton-ism.
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Marcel interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.htm
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January 19, 2007 - 08:23 PM
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This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???)
Have you forgotten that the chefs borrowed the camera from the production crew?
and we are to beleive that bravo wasn't taping anything that night because the kids borrowed a camera? I dont' think so....
why? were you there? know a cameraman who was? know one of the assaulters?
Do you really think bravo would not film that night...after having them under camera for 24/7? it just doesn't make sense. they film them everywhere but the bathroom...that's been said by harold. So waht if the kids borrowed a camera....how does that translaste into bravo not filming. No I wasn't there...none of us were...which is why I don't take what happened on that film as cannon.
Here read this:
http://www.bravotv.com/blog/shaunasblog/20...nate_events.php
I'm thinking that the Bravo camera (not the camera supplied to the idiot children) was perhaps a "fixed" camera without a live body on the other side???? Could make a difference you know, that Bravo only had bits and pieces of the picture from their cameras and the rest filled in by the brat pack's film. Surprising to me though, is that the Bravo person sleeping in the other room didn't hear the ruckus. Tis a puzzlement.
JZ
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:25 PM
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Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
LOL...weird thing is, most chefs I know smoke. And yet it kills their taste buds...weird.
Kristlkrost
January 19, 2007 - 08:25 PM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
Todd.....I godda hug you....lol..You made me laugh so hard last night.Wanna be one of my gays????
((((Todd))))
I am a co Miss Savant 2007 dontchya know??
You can help me pick my next pair of shoes...lol
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:29 PM
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True...But those parents really do think it is love....and there are of course different levels as to what I speak.
I am the mother of an only child /male.
That line is so thin..I had to fight my husband every day not to do that...and he seriously loved my son more than life itself...He just didn't have very good role models.....He was abused and tried to make up for it......See what I mean???
Yeah..... well even abusers think they love their kids I guess.
I think most peeps should be neutered at birth.
The things we do to our kids.....Oy!
LOL. Yes, I see what you mean.
Most of us think what we do is love, but it isn't.
It's usually self-interest.
That's why self-realization is so hard...not meant to be easy.
We are all imperfect. Thing is, do we choose to tread the risky path towards unselfish love, or turn around in fear and stay on the curb of self-protection?
Jesus, Buddha, Socrates, Rumi, etc etc
Ain't an easy road.
And it's not even Sunday!
Kristlkrost
January 19, 2007 - 08:30 PM
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This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???)
Have you forgotten that the chefs borrowed the camera from the production crew?
and we are to beleive that bravo wasn't taping anything that night because the kids borrowed a camera? I dont' think so....
why? were you there? know a cameraman who was? know one of the assaulters?
Do you really think bravo would not film that night...after having them under camera for 24/7? it just doesn't make sense. they film them everywhere but the bathroom...that's been said by harold. So waht if the kids borrowed a camera....how does that translaste into bravo not filming. No I wasn't there...none of us were...which is why I don't take what happened on that film as cannon.
Here read this:
http://www.bravotv.com/blog/shaunasblog/20...nate_events.php
I'm thinking that the Bravo camera (not the camera supplied to the idiot children) was perhaps a "fixed" camera without a live body on the other side???? Could make a difference you know, that Bravo only had bits and pieces of the picture from their cameras and the rest filled in by the brat pack's film. Surprising to me though, is that the Bravo person sleeping in the other room didn't hear the ruckus. Tis a puzzlement.
JZ
Good thinking Jazzie...That is prolly the way it was.
God we got some smart peeps here!!!!
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:32 PM
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I'm thinking that the Bravo camera (not the camera supplied to the idiot children) was perhaps a "fixed" camera without a live body on the other side???? Could make a difference you know, that Bravo only had bits and pieces of the picture from their cameras and the rest filled in by the brat pack's film. Surprising to me though, is that the Bravo person sleeping in the other room didn't hear the ruckus. Tis a puzzlement.
JZ
Possible. Very, very possible!
(anyone catch the "Into The Woods" reference?)
yochoc
January 19, 2007 - 08:33 PM
You have a point there. I had not had an opportunity to read the post about the Executive Producer's comments. We can only assume what they say is true unless otherwise proven.
yochoc
January 19, 2007 - 08:37 PM
That sucks...I wanted to see the interview but it won't go to the story...
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January 19, 2007 - 08:38 PM
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...it's not really that important.
never is till someone dies...and many have at frat hazings where this stuff happens...and i know ...i ran our hell week...sigma nu, u of az.
i'm sorry you can't grasp the notion of personal privacy and safety. maybe if yours is violated by someone twice as big as you who actively dislikes you, you might get a glimmer....
no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.
I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.
1. This wasn't a controlled environment. No production crew members were present.
2. Not strangers? Then who were these animals in the dark? Surely not the polite, well-mannered contestants that they posed as in front of the daytime TV cameras. And really, how much did they know about each other outside of this experience? Absolutely nothing. They take on faith that Bravo has screened out the dangerous kooks, but what if Bravo made a mistake? You can't say that Marcel was never in danger. While a headlock is a safe move, Cliff could also have outright choked Marcel before the others realized it.
3. Your saying that nothing extreme was going to happen is your opinion derived from knowing, as a viewer, what the other cast members planned to do. The whole point is that, AS IT WAS HAPPENING, Marcel DIDN'T know, because none of the drunken fools thought to tell him while assaulting and manhandling him.
4. Marcel was ripped awake and thrown to the floor, with a bigger, heavier man on top of him trying to subdue him as he screamed for others to help him. Or didn't you notice that he was screaming?
5. Marcel well knew that there were no production crew members present to protect him. All he had to protect him were the other cast members. But it was precisely those other cast members who were taking joy in assaulting him or just deliberately hanging back and letting it happen. What's not to be scared about?
6. Ilan's eye would not have been hurt. He was using the production crew's camera, and all digital camrecorders Bravo would be using would have huge rubber eyepieces -- which are standard protective equipment on all of these cameras.
Something about those cameras had me confused, so i called a buddy of mine that works on a film crew for a production company in NYC, and asked him about the viewfinders/displays on those things. According to him, if it showed a date format ( __/__/___ ) and the REC, then it should also have a RED FLASHING LIGHT (or the REC should be flashing as it records as a sign that "all is well/in working order"). He also said that the DATE would show THE DATE, and not be blank. The ONLY way it would be blank would be if the camera had no battery in it EVER, and it was reset to zero because of it. How many production crews do you know that keep handy "dead cameras"?
I think it was ALL planned. And it wasn't a "dark room". The room was extremely well-lit. If it WASN'T planned, then Ilan and Elia and Cliff should forget about cooking, and get into filming/production work, because they'd make a mint! The Blair Witch Project had NOTHING over what these three whackaloons pulled off with only a single camera.
I *DO* think that Elia and Ilan should have been sent home as well. This was "their game", so fine. Pay the piper.
KINJIRU
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:39 PM
Here you go:
Marcel Speaks Up!
"See this?" he says, pointing to a 1-inch scar over his left eye.
I nod.
"This girl came up to me at a nightclub and asked me if I was Marcel from Top Chef. The next thing I knew, this bottle struck me, and my friends had to rush me to the hospital. I needed 30 stitches for this."
You read that correctly: The man was attacked not for his political beliefs, not because he supports the wrong football team, but for being a contestant on a popular reality show, Top Chef.
For those who don't follow the show, here's a primer: The program, which airs on Bravo on Wednesday nights, pits chefs against each other in a variety of challenges (cooking in a fire pit on the beach, using ingredients from a snack-bar vending machine) to create some inventive (or not) dishes. Each week, the judges—including chef Tom Colicchio, who owns Craftsteak at the MGM Grand—pick through the field and eliminate them one by one.
Now in its second season, the show began as a companion piece to the network's cult smash Project Runway, yet it's obvious by the legions of people on Bravo's message boards and the frequent posters on fashionable websites (Television Without Pity, fansofrealitytv.com) that the program is developing its own legs.
One of four Las Vegans on the show this season, Marcel Vigneron, 26, is the most colorful, divisive character on the show—perhaps one of the most colorful in all of reality television right now. He's the show's outcast; viewed as difficult and unapproachable, he's been persecuted by other contestants since the season began in October. Lately, though, his popularity—at least as measured by posts on numerous message boards—has been on the upswing, as though the attacks by his peers have won him some sympathy. So I wanted to know: What's the story? Was he the enfant terrible of the Kenmore kitchen or just the annoying kid everyone had to cut down at school?
The slightly built, saucer-eyed cheftestant with the tall hairstyle is standing with me on a nippy Wednesday morning, indulging in my favorite pastime, the 99-cent shrimp cocktail at the Golden Gate Hotel. The Downtown promenade isn't especially busy, but he wasn't hard to find in a crowd."He looks like a vampire," said Betty Fraser, one of his competitors and biggest critics on Top Chef.
"This place looks interesting," he says.
"I like it for the cross-section of people you see." Currently in the cafeteria line: employees from neighboring casinos, youthful backpackers, hardcore video-poker addicts, and us, a loved/hated reality-TV personality and a beat writer.
"I see what you mean," he says.
"Help yourself to some juice, and what do you say we go all-out for the $2.99 big-glass specials?"
"Wow, you're spoiling me," he says with a sheepish grin.
As we carry our takeout trays and plastic utensils to the dining room, he gives his background information. A native of Bainbridge, Washington, he went to the Culinary Institute of America and had a fellowship as a sous chef at the institute's Ristorante Caterina de Medici. He now works as a master cook at Joel Robuchon at the Mansion, in the MGM Grand, and has lived in Las Vegas for 19 months.
Regarding the dynamics of Top Chef, the consensus on many message boards is that the show is playing out as an allegory for high school: there's the hotheaded bully, the sly instigator, the sexually frustrated, angry kid, the strident cheerleader with the dubious smile, the shy girl who is always studying in the library, the stoner. Marcel's role seems to be the socially awkward geek who doesn't know how to relate to people."I just think that's funny," he says,"because I never had any problems in high school. There was a party at my house every Friday night!"
Kristlkrost
January 19, 2007 - 08:40 PM
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True...But those parents really do think it is love....and there are of course different levels as to what I speak.
I am the mother of an only child /male.
That line is so thin..I had to fight my husband every day not to do that...and he seriously loved my son more than life itself...He just didn't have very good role models.....He was abused and tried to make up for it......See what I mean???
Yeah..... well even abusers think they love their kids I guess.
I think most peeps should be neutered at birth.
The things we do to our kids.....Oy!
LOL. Yes, I see what you mean.
Most of us think what we do is love, but it isn't.
It's usually self-interest.
That's why self-realization is so hard...not meant to be easy.
We are all imperfect. Thing is, do we choose to tread the risky path towards unselfish love, or turn around in fear and stay on the curb of self-protection?
Jesus, Buddha, Socrates, Rumi, etc etc
Ain't an easy road.
And it's not even Sunday!
OK Freud I mean Holster...lol.No I totally agree...My husband grew up on a farm and never read Sarte...I can tell you that..hence the discord in our horrible/somewhat tolerable marriage ....He was such a BULL!!!!!Yet a good guy.
But his love was pure .....That kind of blinding love can sure skew things at times.Even for me...it's hard to be the bad guy.
I just discovered Rumi a few years ago....Rumi would be a rock star now...lol
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:40 PM
Time to hit him with some questions: I found it interesting that, especially with the guys, their insults were based on emasculation—Sam saying you're only 5-foot-2, Ilan calling you a virgin, Frank threatening to beat you up. It's pretty much what guys did to take down other guys in high school.
"I agree, but in a way, their comments were so out of line, I knew it wasn't just about me. I could tell they were threatened by me, and in a way it reinforced my self-belief."
On the message boards and around those water coolers where the show was discussed, the volume of vitriol aimed at Marcel caused something of a positive backlash—he went from being the least-popular contestant to ... well, I won't say the most popular, but there was a definite sympathy factor working for him.
What surprised you most about the other contestants?
"How two-faced they could be. I will never forget my first meeting with Ilan. We were in our room, and I thought a nice way to break the ice was to show him my knives. Now for us, knives are like an extension of our arms, and it's a topic of conversation frequently. Anyway, so here we were, talking about knives, and he was asking me about my deba [a Japanese-style knife used for sushi], and that he had one but didn't know how to use it, so I showed him. If you look at the bonus footage on Bravo's website, it looks like we're getting along and having a good time. Then he goes into the interview room and starts slamming me."
His animated eyes widen."I mean, dude, we just met. What could I have possibly said to you for you to call me out like that?"
He shakes his head in bafflement."I'm telling you, that guy had his issues before he met me."
I had a friend who was on a production crew for MTV's The Real World, and it really frustrated him when the participants would hide behind "It's all in the editing" when they looked bad. All the creative editing in the world can't recontextualize cruel and vindictive behavior.
"I'll go along with that. For the other contestants who claim that's it all in the editing is just weak. Believe me, if I did something so outrageous on the show, Bravo would not have hidden it."
You are often labeled as arrogant.
"I don't think I am. I believe in my food, and my abilities, and seriously, if you don't have that belief, how far are you going to make it in the competition? But I never went out of my way to slam anybody else, which I think would be an arrogant thing to do."
Betty, Ilan and Sam accused you over and over of being selfish, although there were moments where you were willing to help.
"I thought so too. I mean, Cliff is color-blind, and I offered to help him pick out purple food for the color challenge; I was always willing to help with plating, I helped Betty with her crème brûlée for one of the challenges, and offered help to the other chefs whenever I could, so I find that accusation puzzling."
You've said you didn't care what other people think of you.
"It's not that I don't care what people think, but early on I got the sense that Marcel-bashing was going to make good television, and really, I can't chase after somebody's approval if they don't show me respect."
There were two controversial incidents with you. The first had to do with Frank Terzoli—he claims on his MySpace page that what really angered him was that you smashed his $350 Jim Maui sunglasses into little bits.
"That was during the Thanksgiving challenge. We had 45 minutes to prepare something, and it was essentially a dorm room, where all these toiletries were in the kitchen. I was careful as I could be given the time constraints, but I never saw his glasses on the counter, and he might have gotten upset, but I don't think those products should have been on the bathroom counter to begin with."
According to a post attributed him, he claimed you spent at least 40 minutes in the bathroom.
"That's just not true. I think it's sad that he has to resort to those kind of lies to save face. If anything, Ilan was the one that took 45 minutes in the bathroom. Probably a chronic masturbator." He squeezes out the butt of his cigarette and lifts his hands in an open-palm gesture."Okay," he says,"enough of that!"
The second incident was your apparent lack of grace at the catering episode when Sam won the challenge.
"Of the 13 dishes, nine of them were my suggestions, and I made four of them. What hurt me about that one was that it wasn't about winning the challenge, but about recognition. I killed myself in that kitchen for them, working 12 straight hours, and I never got one pat on the back or thank you. Ilan and Sam took a lunch hour, which I never did on that challenge, and Betty took off for 30 minutes, slapping on all this makeup, but I worked through it, because I wanted to prove myself a team player. A real leader would offered at least a thank you for all the hard work, but Sam never did."
His pauses and stares at the now-empty shrimp cocktail glass. The wounds are still fresh on this one."Look, maybe I wasn't as gracious as I could have been, but I'm human—there was only so much disrespect I could take."
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:40 PM
The show's executive producer, Shauna Minoprio, posted on her blog that she and the production crew couldn't understand what Marcel had done to earn such vitriol."I honestly think it's because I truly didn't care about their opinion," he says,"and that really got under their skin." You don't care at all?"Well, maybe Elia's, but we knew each other before the show. If she said something bad, it would affect me. But the rest of them made so many outlandish comments that it was hard to take them seriously.
"If I had done something so terrible, they would have aired it. I really think the other contestants treated this show like Survivor, where you focus on one person and vote them off and vent all this rage at them in the process. What frustrated me most of all is that some of them would come out of the interview and say, ‘Dude, I trash-talked you, but don't take it personally because I was drunk,' or they'd say, ‘Don't take it personally, Marcel, that's how the game is played.' It's like they indulged in Hate on Marcel Day because they knew it made for good television."
Let's talk about the most controversial moment on the show, when Cliff, Ilan and Sam assaulted you in the last challenge.
"I'm taking a nap on the couch, and Cliff picked me up in a full-nelson, tossed me on the floor. The plan was to toss me around like a rag doll and have Ilan hold a camera and Sam shave me while Cliff held me down."
Sounds like something out of Lords of Discipline.
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door."
Were you scared?
"Not so much at them. Look, I don't believe violence solves anything, but when I broke free from them, I saw this lamp and I just wanted to smash it over one of their heads. That freaked me out. At that moment, that had me playing their game. And it kills me that these are the guys that question my maturity. I mean, pinning me down to shave me head, that's what drunken frat boys do, not a top chef."
He looks at his watch; time for him to get to work. He's been pretty candid, forthright. Still, you gotta wonder: Is he just putting on a nice act, turning on the Marcel charm for the reporter taking notes?
He doesn't think so. This is the real Marcel."The friends I've made have been with the production crews. So many of them came up to me after the show and said they were rooting for me, that they thought I was getting a raw deal from the rest of the contestants. I take pride in that because these people really knew what went down."
He smiles."I would like to say I have no vendetta against [the other contestants]. After all, it was just a show."
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January 19, 2007 - 08:40 PM
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...it's not really that important.
never is till someone dies...and many have at frat hazings where this stuff happens...and i know ...i ran our hell week...sigma nu, u of az.
i'm sorry you can't grasp the notion of personal privacy and safety. maybe if yours is violated by someone twice as big as you who actively dislikes you, you might get a glimmer....
no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.
I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.
Funny, you say Marcel could have hurt Ilan's eye...I didn't see any black eye on Ilan, (too bad!) but Marcel did have bruises and carpet burns..so who really got hurt here? How did Marcel know Cliff wasn't going to hurt him? There sure hadn't been any indication of friendship shown so far in the show towards him. Plus, at first he didn't even KNOW it was Cliff. Controlled? WTF have you been reading??? Controlled alright, by the three a-holes!
And, just a little added note. I hope once back in Vegas, the restaurant owners there see this and tell Elia to 'PACK HER KNIVES AND LEAVE TOWN"! In the beginning when she said she had worked with him before, defended him, blah blah blah, she showed herself to be a good person, someone who would be nice to work with. THEN, after joining the 'DARK SIDE", she turned her back on someone she concidered a friend. Go back to your family Elia, cook for them because any self-respecting chef should be afraid to have you in their kitchen. JMHO, take it or leave it.
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KINJIRU
ohiotodd
January 19, 2007 - 08:41 PM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
Todd.....I godda hug you....lol..You made me laugh so hard last night.Wanna be one of my gays????
((((Todd))))
I am a co Miss Savant 2007 dontchya know??
You can help me pick my next pair of shoes...lol
LOL! sure! ..but.I know NOTHING about shoes, have no fashion sense(no PR fanatic here)..I like sports(GO BUCKEYES).. I do not care so much for the fine arts or interior design..and I have always gotten the 'so how is your wife" or "how many kids do you have' thing at work-from people I have worked with for a long time and should know better! lol.
(Don't tell on me or they may take away my GAY! card!)
Holster
January 19, 2007 - 08:42 PM
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That's why I named my art studio after him...
www.mcrumistudio.com
as in McRumi
He's DOPE!
KINJIRU
January 19, 2007 - 08:48 PM
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"Perhaps the humiliation of another person is becoming a popular sport in America, as certainly witnessed on American Idol the other night or most TV shows...it is not a sport I like or will be silent about when I see it."
Do you not consider your words, condescending ,insulting, or whatever you choose to call them, to be humiliating to some? I would say it is a sport you enjoy and maybe even a team captain.
"To in any way condone the childish bullying and theatrics exhibited by Sam, Elan and Elia is simply irresponsible and contributory to their continued deliquency."
Not liking Marcel gets you membership into a "bully-gang" and now if we dont see things your way, we are contributory to their, Sam,Elia,Ilan and Cliff, continued delinquency?
Okie Dokie,
brillke
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KINJIRU
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January 19, 2007 - 08:48 PM
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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
Todd.....I godda hug you....lol..You made me laugh so hard last night.Wanna be one of my gays????
((((Todd))))
I am a co Miss Savant 2007 dontchya know??
You can help me pick my next pair of shoes...lol
LOL! sure! ..but.I know NOTHING about shoes, have no fashion sense(no PR fanatic here)..I like sports(GO BUCKEYES).. I do not care so much for the fine arts or interior design..and I have always gotten the 'so how is your wife" or "how many kids do you have' thing at work-from people I have worked with for a long time and should know better! lol.
(Don't tell on me or they may take away my GAY! card!)
Oh GAWD..I had to get stuck with a butch gay.....lol
OK ......well we'll tawk tail gate parties!!!!
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January 19, 2007 - 08:49 PM
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Where do you find this stuff Holster????
This is fascinating..I had heard that someone broke a bottle on his head but wasn't sure it was true....Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him????
Sigh.......This just gets sadder and sadder.
That interviewer was great..He asked all the questions I would have.
I do believe him about Frank..Frank got all kinds of hate mail and changed his story right away....He never even mentioned sun glasses at first.AND too true....Ilan....what could he have said the very first day to make him hate him so.
They better get a better shrink next time for pre show.
The one they got musta' been as good as Mikey's dentist!!!
GO MARCEL!!!!!!!!!!!
Again....He needs to thank them...They have quite possibly made Marcel a very rich man and very loved...Peeps don't like bullies.With all the game playing and hating on Marcel did they ever think it would turn out like this???
Marcel the terrible has just now turned into Marcel the wonderful!!!!
Exactemente!
I am will be here night and day like the Hound Of Hell defending his name until he prepares a fuking soigne meal on the outer Isalnd and takes home the 100K.
This has become an epic tale between the conventional lying cowardly brat pack bullies of the world and the unjustly picked-upon and assaulted creative geeky talent just trying to bring some beauty into our lives.
The battle conitinues.
Mozart vs Salieri and the sycophantic court.
Frodo vs Gollum and the Ringwraiths
Oliver Twist vs Fagin and the theives
LOL.....this is a classic tale of good and evil....
Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....
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WORD!!!! I'm right there with you sista/brotha!!
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January 19, 2007 - 08:52 PM
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Do you not consider your words, condescending ,insulting, or whatever you choose to call them, to be humiliating to some? I would say it is a sport you enjoy and maybe even a team captain.
NO. There is a difference between shutting down bullies and hateful voices and bullying the innocent or harmless, as I have seen you do.
Completely different.
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Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....
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January 19, 2007 - 08:53 PM
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I see Golum has returned.
Precious.
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I just discovered Rumi a few years ago....Rumi would be a rock star now...lol
That's why I named my art studio after him...
www.mcrumistudio.com
as in McRumi
He's DOPE!
Fu%king soignee!!
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Read that Crack pack!
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January 19, 2007 - 08:56 PM
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I just discovered Rumi a few years ago....Rumi would be a rock star now...lol
That's why I named my art studio after him...
www.mcrumistudio.com
as in McRumi
He's DOPE!
Fu%king soignee!!
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“Brother stand the pain; Escape the poison of your impulses. The sky will bow to your beauty, if you do. Learn to light the candle. Rise with the sun. Turn away from the cave of your sleeping. That way a thorn expands to a rose. A particular glows with the universal.”
Read that Crack pack!
He da MAN!
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January 19, 2007 - 09:00 PM
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Don't know if you guys are talking about this aspect anywhere but let's talk about Cliff's choice of dishes for this challenge.
SIRLOIN? SIRLOIN? He is given the task to make a sensuous love meal for couples and he chooses SIRLOIN? I'm not a beef expert by any means but isn't sirloin kind of at the bottom of the stack for meat/steak quality? Where was the filet? Some kind of chateaubriande for two done in a new way? I didn't catch a budget issue for this challenge. Why sirloin?
(Clearly he would have been sent packing on this episode without the Marcel incident on his dish alone...but sirloin? I don't get it)
PS. In my dream last night I met Ted Allen at a party and was telling him how the message boards are buzzing with trying to get him a permanent placement on this show. Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with it.....
Depends on the chef, ma'am. I've seen chefs that could turn an el cheapo slab of brisket into something so outstanding that you almost fell off your chair in amazement as you tasted it. A good Sirloin is leaner than most other cuts of beef most of the time, yet still retains it juicy character if you keep it to medium/medium-well.
For a romantic dinner for two, well-marinated and tenderized sirloins with a salad of fresh greens, and maybe some twice-baked potato "puffs" (at least that's what my ex called them when she made them). With a nice Merlot or Cabernet.
YUM!
Dessert? Ummmmmmmmm. ; >
KINJIRU
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January 19, 2007 - 09:02 PM
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WORD!!!! I'm right there with you sista/brotha!!
You can call me mistah! LOL.
Welcome aboard the freedom train!
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January 19, 2007 - 09:05 PM
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Wouldn't you say the producers lied when they presented the assault and Ilan and Elia shaving their heads in a different order than the way it really happened?
If the intent was to deceive in order to lessen the sense of conspiracy or assault, yes. Defintely. However, I don't know the case law for "Reality TV"...is it the same as advertising food as "Organic"? Or is it treatyed as fiction? But how could it? If I were a lawyer, I'd be fascinated to unravel it.
Absolutely. I would really be interested in knowing their reason for changing the order of events that night. It seems that in an odd way, they are trying to protect Ilan and Elia by making it look like were hyped up about shaving their heads and they just took their excitement too far. Especially since right before they showed what happened that night, Sam said that it all started when Ilan and Elia decided to shave their heads. Obviously that was an intentional lie on Sam's part, but for some reason the producers felt that they needed to add his comment to the show.
Yup, it's called covering your ass in case a law suit does ensue. Unfortunately, they did a very bad job of covering their tracks. They best hope that Marcel is as an upstanding citizen as he seems. (Which I do believe is the case)
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January 19, 2007 - 09:12 PM
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^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
yeah... he (Cliff) was remorseful MY ASS!!! This makes me think that there must have been acid or something weird laced into their water. What kind of a grown man does this [censored]???
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January 19, 2007 - 09:13 PM
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High school curriculum should now include reading Lord of the Flies followed by watching episode 2 of Top Chef. You don't have to be marooned on an island.....
Oh, Mia DEFINITELY, but for some reason i think Otto would stand up and try to stop it (let's face it, if there's testosterone being swooshed around, Otto would fit in to try and splash his own into the arena). ; )
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January 19, 2007 - 09:14 PM
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I just discovered Rumi a few years ago....Rumi would be a rock star now...lol
That's why I named my art studio after him...
www.mcrumistudio.com
as in McRumi
He's DOPE!
Fu%king soignee!!
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“Brother stand the pain; Escape the poison of your impulses. The sky will bow to your beauty, if you do. Learn to light the candle. Rise with the sun. Turn away from the cave of your sleeping. That way a thorn expands to a rose. A particular glows with the universal.”
Read that Crack pack!
He da MAN!
Here's the thing ....Everyone sees this incident through their own lens...Imagine what peeps from da hood would say about the 'incident'....They would laugh us out of Dodge..I understand that...Someone in Iraq right now would say.....puuuuuuuuulese..You are upset over that???
I can feel the Marcel haters/dislikers seething right now.
But we have to express this as we are all obsessed TC nuts who have invested a lot of time and emotion into these peeps who have now... I feel....betrayed who we thought they were.
It's not just this one incident......it's the whole season and the Betty screeching at him like he wasn't a human being......Frank threatening him...They all felt they could as what would Marcel the little gnat do???
He's not threatening in any way.....if he was rude and disrespectful...then tell him and ignore him....Cliff has apologized and he was drunk...Peeps can get very mean whenst drunk.We have to accept that at face value....If he means it or not.He did take it like a man.In Cliff's world as a rough and tumble guy ..this may be how they do play jokes on each other.....Cliff was not on the alliance. Not condoning just tryng to understand.
He didn't scream and screech like Betty did when she got caught..'cheating"...he left and was sorry....OK
I would forgive the others in a second if they were one bit contrite.
I hope they are all reading here as they say they do...I hope they can look inwards and have an "epiphany"
It took me years to do that .to really say...hey..you were wrong so many times in your life girl. But only enlightened peeps can do that.
OK...I think we have analyzed this to death....lol
I'm hungry!!!!!
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January 19, 2007 - 09:18 PM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
Todd.....I godda hug you....lol..You made me laugh so hard last night.Wanna be one of my gays????
((((Todd))))
I am a co Miss Savant 2007 dontchya know??
You can help me pick my next pair of shoes...lol
LOL! sure! ..but.I know NOTHING about shoes, have no fashion sense(no PR fanatic here)..I like sports(GO BUCKEYES).. I do not care so much for the fine arts or interior design..and I have always gotten the 'so how is your wife" or "how many kids do you have' thing at work-from people I have worked with for a long time and should know better! lol.
(Don't tell on me or they may take away my GAY! card!)
Oh GAWD..I had to get stuck with a butch gay.....lol
OK ......well we'll tawk tail gate parties!!!!
lol..well I don't know about 'butch'..I guess maybe in a 'relative' way lol. I also hate shopping. Malls suck. What is wrong with me?
*I like gardening and landscaping and plants...and architecture..that makes up for the rest a little huh?..I can do you Miss Savant 2007 flowers and all!
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January 19, 2007 - 09:18 PM
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Don't know if you guys are talking about this aspect anywhere but let's talk about Cliff's choice of dishes for this challenge.
SIRLOIN? SIRLOIN? He is given the task to make a sensuous love meal for couples and he chooses SIRLOIN? I'm not a beef expert by any means but isn't sirloin kind of at the bottom of the stack for meat/steak quality? Where was the filet? Some kind of chateaubriande for two done in a new way? I didn't catch a budget issue for this challenge. Why sirloin?
(Clearly he would have been sent packing on this episode without the Marcel incident on his dish alone...but sirloin? I don't get it)
PS. In my dream last night I met Ted Allen at a party and was telling him how the message boards are buzzing with trying to get him a permanent placement on this show. Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with it.....
Cliff selected Kobe Sirloin. At Craftsteak Las Vegas a 6 oz. Kobe Japanese Sirloin Strip is a whopping $150. compared to a 10 oz Kobe Filet Mignon for the bargain price of 110. Regular beef sirloin 10 oz is 39. regular 10 0z filet mignon is 48. By the way that of course is a la carte.
YOWZA!
Cliff made a decent choice then. But Kobe beef? I don't know. We've had Kobe beef, both here and out of the country, and while it DOES have a very distinct taste, oh well, feh! It's not my show. ; >
KINJIRU
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Since I already have my devils advocate suit on and swishing my tail around, here is a thought...IF they had to make Marcel out to be a hated guy because of the Wrestle Mania night, and IF they worked something out with him so he would co-operate with them for the whole season, and IF they could threaten the WWF A-hole team with something that would make them keep their mouths shut, WHAT IF this whole season is just a farce and Marcel was going to win all along because he LET THEM use him for ratings...hhmmmm?
LOL. they don't call it a devil's advocate for nothing. LOL. That just seems too involved and convoluted to actually work. Besides, I don't think Marcel would ever agree to something so duplicitous ...it would eventually get out and his reputation would be sullied. The others? Eh!
I could see it. But I don't think they are smart enough or disciplined enough to carry it through. And thank God they aren't.
Well heck Holster..since I already had the suit on, tail swishin' and all...I just find it hard to believe that they talked Marcel into being the butt of all that hate and he agreed, "just because" there has to be more to it. What? Hard to tell. (swish swish swish as I leave the podium)
LOL> You swish SO well!!!
Ya like that? I have been practicing swishing for YEARS now and have pretty much gotten it down to an art! It just looks soooo much better when I have on my devils advocate suit...ya know, the one with the little horns too.
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January 19, 2007 - 09:21 PM
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January 19, 2007 - 09:23 PM
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Here's the thing ....Everyone sees this incident through their own lens...Imagine what peeps from da hood would say about the 'incident'....They would laugh us out of Dodge..I understand that...Someone in Iraq right now would say.....puuuuuuuuulese..You are upset over that???
3 years ago I was in a car accident and spent a month in the burn unit getting skin grafts. Physical pain that most people in this room will never experience, thank God.
When I see someone bitching up a storm after burning their finger on a match or something. I do not say, Oh, that's nothing, my whole arm was on fire!
No, i respect that any experience of pain is painful. And whether it's a pin [expletive deleted] or having your leg blown up, you are aware that there is a bigger picture, thast here is a reason for everything that happens and you deal with it.
BUt it never means minimizing the pain someone is experiencing in the moment or comparing it to some other fictional pain.
That's why not a single child on the f ace of this earth ever buys the "eat evrytthing on your plate because there are children starving elsewhere in the world." well, yeah, but this one ain't.
The fact is, everything is insignificant except acts of love.
And minimizing another person's terror and pain is not love.
DaphLovesTC
January 19, 2007 - 09:26 PM
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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Just finished reading the interview and all I can say is WOW! I'm no Marcel lover or hater either way, but after reading that article he just earned 110% of my respect. Thanks for sharing Holster!
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January 19, 2007 - 09:27 PM
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2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
They didn't edit and manipulate well enough. You can see Elia (PRE-SHAVED HEAD) laughing her ass off at Cliff's attack.
Thank God for sloppy editors...the truth will out!
Shall we call this Clippergate?
LOL, has my vote
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January 19, 2007 - 09:32 PM
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You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
Todd.....I godda hug you....lol..You made me laugh so hard last night.Wanna be one of my gays????
((((Todd))))
I am a co Miss Savant 2007 dontchya know??
You can help me pick my next pair of shoes...lol
LOL! sure! ..but.I know NOTHING about shoes, have no fashion sense(no PR fanatic here)..I like sports(GO BUCKEYES).. I do not care so much for the fine arts or interior design..and I have always gotten the 'so how is your wife" or "how many kids do you have' thing at work-from people I have worked with for a long time and should know better! lol.
(Don't tell on me or they may take away my GAY! card!)
Oh GAWD..I had to get stuck with a butch gay.....lol
OK ......well we'll tawk tail gate parties!!!!
lol..well I don't know about 'butch'..I guess maybe in a 'relative' way lol. I also hate shopping. Malls suck. What is wrong with me?
*I like gardening and landscaping and plants...and architecture..that makes up for the rest a little huh?..I can do you Miss Savant 2007 flowers and all!
Yeah and then throw me out on the street right after.....LOL!!!!
WHAT KIND OF A GAY ARE YOU????????????
Welcome to Miss Savant 2007 Gays.... ahem a co only ....
sob.....Damn that Siz
My gays have only the best ...We have the best parties and
meet the best peeps and get into the best clubs and do the most decadent things
and then we get Donald Trunp to forgive us all of it 
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(I REALLY need to get me some Queens....lol)
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Too funny! No matter what anyone says, I think our pets pick us. We are just to stupid to realize we've been had. lol Ya know those fabreeze commercials where the lady picks up all the toys and puts them away, sprays the carpet and when she turns around, all the toys are nose down on he carpet? That is EXACTLY what happens in our house. If I pick up all the toys and put them away, by the end of the day, they are all back out and all over the livingroom. Hubby and I laugh about it all the time. I think the only reason I pick up the toys is to see how long it takes for them to all get scattered again.
MINE IS PICKY FOR SURE
BUT I MUST SAY
THOUGH VERY SASSY
SHE IS PRETTY NEAT
SHE WILL ONLY PULL OUT ONE TOY AT A TIME
IF I REACH IN TO GRAB ANOTHER
SHE WILL TAKE IT
TURN HER BACK
AS IF IN DISGUST
AND STOP PLAYING
SOOOOOOOOOO SASSY
I LOVE ME BABY
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
WELL, sounds like she has you trained pretty good! lol
YUP LET HER GET AWAY WITH ALOT OF STUFF
DID I TELL YOU SHE STEALS MY BLANKET
DANG I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT
MY DOBI DID IT TOO
GETS COLD IN THE MORNING LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Little thief! First it was your heart, then your blanket!! Simply shameful!! lol
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January 19, 2007 - 09:37 PM
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Two Fat Ladies remain my favorites.
OMG, I used to love Two Fat Ladies on FN! It was so sad when Jennifer Paterson passed away and the show was discontinued. I would love to get those seasons on DVD.
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January 19, 2007 - 09:38 PM
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Hubby's cousins do a lot of traveling. Bike shows, car shows, etc. They also go to Indy and Taladega (sp) Once a friend took a remote control car, removed the body and put a baby car seat on it. Then they put the dog in it and drove him around in the pit. Guess all the crews were taking pix and stuff. Sounded pretty cool.
WAS THINKING A LITTLE BIGGER
LIKE ONE OF THOSE 12V HUMMERS
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Gosh, that would be TOO cute. Sounds like a great plan.
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I just viewed some stills from the episode. In the stills, Marcel has just broken free from Cliff and is walking away. Elia is clearly seen to his right, on the floor laughing - with a full head of hair!!!! That means that their attack and attempt to shave his head happened prior to shaving their head. Which makes their actions even worse - they continued with their revalry and laughing after Marcel was attacked. It proves Elia did know what was going on and obviously found it as funny as Sam and Ilan did - horrible just horrible. And it shows they obviously had no guilt or concerns about what they did. We were lead to believe what we saw happened last - when really it began their drunken escapades.
Shame on you bravo for trying to make this look less than it was. Poor decision on the parts of the editors to make it look that way. And now I'm upset with Tom's blog seeming to state the same event when he implies that he saw the original video. If that was so than obviously you knew all along that they attacked Marcel first.
I would also like to point out that Cliff only apologized after he was kicked off the show - after he had been caught. If he had been a real man, he would have apologized immediately or first thing the next morning. And before he left, it was Marcel that initiated the bridge for a reconcilliation of some sorts when he told Cliff "sorry it had to work out this way." As if Marcel had anything to apologize for in that particular situation.
I'm thoroughly disgusted!
Saw those too. You know that Marcel must have agreed to all this. There is no way they could have done all this lying and not have him co-operate...JMO, take it or leave it...(O:
IF I TAKE IT
CAN I HAVE THEM TAPES ???????????
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Sorry, I told you. They are already the prop of library. Maybe you can check them out, say you lost them and pay a library fine.
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January 19, 2007 - 09:42 PM
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Here's the thing ....Everyone sees this incident through their own lens...Imagine what peeps from da hood would say about the 'incident'....They would laugh us out of Dodge..I understand that...Someone in Iraq right now would say.....puuuuuuuuulese..You are upset over that???
3 years ago I was in a car accident and spent a month in the burn unit getting skin grafts. Physical pain that most people in this room will never experience, thank God.
When I see someone bitching up a storm after burning their finger on a match or something. I do not say, Oh, that's nothing, my whole arm was on fire!
No, i respect that any experience of pain is painful. And whether it's a pin [expletive deleted] or having your leg blown up, you are aware that there is a bigger picture, thast here is a reason for everything that happens and you deal with it.
BUt it never means minimizing the pain someone is experiencing in the moment or comparing it to some other fictional pain.
That's why not a single child on the f ace of this earth ever buys the "eat evrytthing on your plate because there are children starving elsewhere in the world." well, yeah, but this one ain't.
The fact is, everything is insignificant except acts of love.
And minimizing another person's terror and pain is not love.
Beautifully said by an enlightened educated man.
And of course I agree.....But some peeps don't have the luxury
or the privilege of being an enlightened educated person.
They can't discern this the way you or I would.They just can't....That's all I'm saying.
As you know who said...They know not what they do!
So sorry for the pain you went through.....OUCH!!!!!
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January 19, 2007 - 09:43 PM
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OMG, I used to love Two Fat Ladies on FN! It was so sad when Jennifer Paterson passed away and the show was discontinued. I would love to get those seasons on DVD.
Me too!
But I think they are only on VHS.
Boo-hoo!
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But you are an afficianado now JMe. No more savanting for you.
HEY YOU'RE A LITTLE SMUG FOR A MEAGER SAVANT
NOW
DIET COKE
CHOP CHOP
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Diet Coke and a little rum-a-dum-dum???? Coming right up Mr. Afficionado.
NAH
ALOT OF RUM A DUMM DUMM
GOTTA GET DUMMER LOL
PLUS HAVE TO FEED THE PICKLE
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Does the pickles helmet get in the way???? (O:
NAH
THERES A NATURAL PROVISION FOR THAT
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Whew! Glad to hear that. Had horrible visions of the little guy losing his helmet while exploring caves...(O: VERY dangerous
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January 19, 2007 - 09:45 PM
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They can't discern this the way you or I would.They just can't....That's all I'm saying.
LOL. I understand. But we can keep fighting against the darkness, no?
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January 19, 2007 - 09:50 PM
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Here's the thing ....Everyone sees this incident through their own lens...Imagine what peeps from da hood would say about the 'incident'....They would laugh us out of Dodge..I understand that...Someone in Iraq right now would say.....puuuuuuuuulese..You are upset over that???
I can feel the Marcel haters/dislikers seething right now.
But we have to express this as we are all obsessed TC nuts who have invested a lot of time and emotion into these peeps who have now... I feel....betrayed who we thought they were.
It's not just this one incident......it's the whole season and the Betty screeching at him like he wasn't a human being......Frank threatening him...They all felt they could as what would Marcel the little gnat do???
He's not threatening in any way.....if he was rude and disrespectful...then tell him and ignore him....Cliff has apologized and he was drunk...Peeps can get very mean whenst drunk.We have to accept that at face value....If he means it or not.He did take it like a man.In Cliff's world as a rough and tumble guy ..this may be how they do play jokes on each other.....Cliff was not on the alliance. Not condoning just tryng to understand.
He didn't scream and screech like Betty did when she got caught..'cheating"...he left and was sorry....OK
I would forgive the others in a second if they were one bit contrite.
I hope they are all reading here as they say they do...I hope they can look inwards and have an "epiphany"
It took me years to do that .to really say...hey..you were wrong so many times in your life girl. But only enlightened peeps can do that.
OK...I think we have analyzed this to death....lol
I'm hungry!!!!!
I see what you are getting at here, but I honestly had the most neutralest (<- is that a word? haha) feelings towards Marcel's before this episode. Sure, i did wonder why so many of the cheftestants had had any kind of issue with him (?) Because I didn't really see that their actions were founded. For instance:
Betty- she deserved the ribbing she got back in her face for the ribbing she dished out.
Frank- He got on Marcel's ass for putting his toothbrush on the ground (thanks to our friend Sam) when the film had clearly shown that he had placed the tooth brush in his shaving kit bag.
All the while I thought to myself, "why does this dude Marcel seem to remain so calm & cool under this type of scrutiny?" I would have lost it & went off on their asses. So I had assumed that some douche-baggery on Marcel's part MUST have taken place off-camera. Now only to find the producers editing the hell out this crap to find any kind of indecent exposure of Marcel in hopes of saving their asses.
SHAMEFUL!!!!
sizzler
January 19, 2007 - 09:55 PM
Yes Siz ...We can be co/ Miss Savants 2007
You did by rights get to the top first..Even if you did sleep with all the judges to get there...I will overlook that...If we need each other and cannot fufill our duties we will step in for one another.
Our first project as co Miss Savants of 2007????
Lets see if we can my arse out of that bus door why don't we???
It's killing me....Heeeeeeelp!Where's Paula with that damn butter???
And then we get JUSTME to be just a wee bit less shy ...lol
After that...we party like it's 1999..After all... we are pageant winners.
Woooooohooooooo
Debauchery.... dancing ......and Donald!
Hey Kristl, I have no problem sharing the MISS SAVANT 2007 title, however, I do resemble that remark about "sleeping my way to the top". AND, because you choose to ignore my methods of sculdugery, I will not be sharing the video of the climb to the top!! AND, boy are you missing something!!!! It was an amazing feat, so many judges, so few orafices...LOL
WELL..Hmmmph...I TRIED to sleep my way to the top but
the judges kept saying sumpthin' about that crazy wild sexy
girl named Sizzler and man did she Sizzle who was sooooo good NOONE could ever compete.
I got ferklempt and ran out of the room knee
pads in hand.
IF I ever get my hands on that vidoe tape....I shall
Pam Anderson it..make millions and retire to Hawaii with Justme....Oh and....pffffft..You can keep the tiara beeyatch!!
CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!.....lol
HEY!!! I'm not your BIATCH, BIATCH!!! And if you try to run off with JustMe and all the money...weeeeeellll, there will be a CAT FIGHT for sure!!! BRING IT ON!!!
lmao
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNGGG
FORGET THE MONEY
I'LL JUST WATCH
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
LMAO....pervert (O;
NYUK NYUK NYUK
I AM'S WHAT I AM'S
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
(O:
YUP
IT'S IN THE JEANS
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
Are you using the ol' jeanettice defence???
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