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Holster

January 19, 2007 - 10:18 PM

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Sure do Hans!!!!

OK to get REAL deep here....I'm pretty sure you are an HSP....(highly sensitive person)..Most creative peeps are.
I'm sure you have heard of this 'diagnosis'....it is far more than just being sensitive..it is actually a diagnosis.
I am an HSP also.
I sometimes wake and can actually feel the pain of the slaves or the pain of all human kind....No KIDDING!!!
Non HSP's will not get that.
I read a book once about it and was like....GOD...I finally understand myself.
It really hard being an HSP in a world of warriors.

I have to keep my head down in restaurants so as not to get involved in peeps lives...lol
I can feel everyones moods around me .
I've learned to cope...We need HSP's but we also need warriors
to balance it out....Warriors cannot 'feel' life the same way.

I have one HSP brother and one warrior.I want to talk to the HSP but I want the warrior around to protect me!!!

The warrior brother would not see this 'incident' as anything too terrible.....I'm pretty sure of that.he'd say..OK it happened get on with your life...He's also a NYCity firefighter and was at 9/11......He helps everyone but is just not that sensitive.

Oy I hope I'm making sense!!!

Yeah, "I understand. But i'm not a HSP...i've learned my stuff the hard way...by being a hard-headed dumb -ass and having the universe hitting me with a cosmic frying pan every now and then. Still works.

I too agree that it's a matter of, no biggie, move on...it's s till doesn't excuse anyone from recognizing something very disturbing happened and that calling it a prank doesn't cut the mustard.

nor do i think morality and humanity is the perogative of the leisured and educated...often it's the reverse...farmers, cops, janitors, check-out ladies...all have taught me the simple truth of compassion.

and yes, i'm an obstinate cuss.

MicrowaveHo

January 19, 2007 - 10:24 PM

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Sure do Hans!!!!

OK to get REAL deep here....I'm pretty sure you are an HSP....(highly sensitive person)..Most creative peeps are.
I'm sure you have heard of this 'diagnosis'....it is far more than just being sensitive..it is actually a diagnosis.
I am an HSP also.
I sometimes wake and can actually feel the pain of the slaves or the pain of all human kind....No KIDDING!!!
Non HSP's will not get that.
I read a book once about it and was like....GOD...I finally understand myself.
It really hard being an HSP in a world of warriors.

I have to keep my head down in restaurants so as not to get involved in peeps lives...lol
I can feel everyones moods around me .
I've learned to cope...We need HSP's but we also need warriors
to balance it out....Warriors cannot 'feel' life the same way.

I have one HSP brother and one warrior.I want to talk to the HSP but I want the warrior around to protect me!!!

The warrior brother would not see this 'incident' as anything too terrible.....I'm pretty sure of that.he'd say..OK it happened get on with your life...He's also a NYCity firefighter and was at 9/11......He helps everyone but is just not that sensitive.

Oy I hope I'm making sense!!!

Making perfect sense. (I realize that this post is not directed towards me, but I thought I'd respond to it anyway) Except I don't consider myself a really creative person, I am certainly highly sensitive to the feelings & plights of others.

About your brother the firefighter... sometimes the pain we see in our helping/nurturing industries sort of jades us to sensitive subjects. It may have been there from the get-go, or it may be a sort of survival mechanism.

KINJIRU

January 19, 2007 - 10:49 PM

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Hi everyone! I haven't posted much this season because even though I'm watching the show I just don't like any of the contestants. I think at this point Sam will win but I just think, "Meh...who cares?" Last season I loved Harold and Dave and LeeAnne and felt that I had people to pull for...people that I thought would add something to the world of culinary arts.

So, anywho...a big wave to all my old board buddies and a big :-P phtttttttttt to this season's a$$hats.

Oh man oh man, do i know where YOU are coming from! There was such a black & white difference between last season's offerings and this season's. Last season, you had CHEFS in the competition. This season you have glorified wannabies and untalented "Line Cooks". A waste of videotape tp the extreme.

So far, even the Marcel-fans know Sam's going to win it in the final'e. Last season you were guessing to almost the end (but WELL DONE, HAROLD!).

KINJIRU

Holster

January 19, 2007 - 10:54 PM

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and yes, i'm an obstinate cuss.

LOL.GOOD...One more obstinate cuss to fight the
good fight!!!

if I was in battle I'd be like.....Oh GOD Should I shoot him in the
head or the back......Which would hurt more???
My brother would just chop his f*cking head off....lol

I know what you mean about the farmers and such..I 'get ' that~

yep, sometimes a warrior mentallty is necessary...all things in their season. even head-whackers. those gopher types are prolific LOL.

the craziest thing is this whole TopChef thing is the most trivial thing in the world and yet the most important.....

when one is riding an ADD obsession and has too much free time on their hands, all bets are off...

but all obsessions come to an end...not sure when i get off this train...

but until then, En-gaurde!!!

LOL!

ashleigh2

January 19, 2007 - 10:56 PM

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I understand that you think that our reaction makes light of real assaults, but that is entirely not the case. What happened to Marcel is unacceptable behavior and the kind of assaults you describe are also unacceptable. What I have a problem with is that you said:
"There was no danger"

We all saw Cliff hold Marcel down by his neck. That could easily turn into a very serious injury. Like some hockey player got punched in the neck and now he's paralyzed. Yes, Cliff did not go into this planning to hurt Marcel but it could happen. The fact that nothing more serious than rug burn and bruises happened does not change its unacceptability.

Exactly. To the victim, ALL assaults are equally real To assign realativre value is to diminish another's reality. They do it all the time in dictatorships. Minimize the small stuff so the big stuff looks even less evil.

Like those who think that stealing office supplies is not the same as embezzling 100K. They ar edifferent in amount, but exactly the same in kind. They are both theft.

it's called relative morality and a sure path to a corrupt character. let alone social chaos.

Stop the hand wringing okay?

Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

HERE:
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

OBVIOUSLY some people here calling Marcel a "victim" when in reality HE DOES NOT SEE HIMSELF AS ONE, and apparently he never felt threatened at all.
As a matter of fact he said he went into his bedroom after the incident and Cliff started to horseplay even more and was throwing chocolate bars at him. That's when Marcel was like, enough of this sh*t, I'm sleeping in the bathroom.

Marcel knows it was stupid druken frat house type behavior ...why is it people here want it turned into some major crime, comparing to real assault victims??

If HE did not feel threatened or like it was an assault, why the hell are some here continuing this HYSTERICAL hyperbole?

Talk about disproportionate response.

I do not condone 'Jackass' type antics from that night, but what is MORE scary is the response from some people.

Holster

January 19, 2007 - 11:01 PM

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Stop the hand wringing okay?

Sugar,
I'll do with my hands whatever I like and forever long as I like, K?
Thanks, sug.

As for the article, you're a bit late...I posted that hours ago, But thanks anyway...

Preciate it!

ashleigh2

January 19, 2007 - 11:10 PM

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Stop the hand wringing okay?

Sugar,
I'll do with my hands whatever I like and forever long as I like, K?
Thanks, sug.

As for the article, you're a bit late...I posted that hours ago, But thanks anyway...

Preciate it!

Well..good for you.

Do you work, or collect some government disability check for having mental illness?
Just curious, Sugar.

MicrowaveHo

January 19, 2007 - 11:11 PM

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I understand that you think that our reaction makes light of real assaults, but that is entirely not the case. What happened to Marcel is unacceptable behavior and the kind of assaults you describe are also unacceptable. What I have a problem with is that you said:
"There was no danger"

We all saw Cliff hold Marcel down by his neck. That could easily turn into a very serious injury. Like some hockey player got punched in the neck and now he's paralyzed. Yes, Cliff did not go into this planning to hurt Marcel but it could happen. The fact that nothing more serious than rug burn and bruises happened does not change its unacceptability.

Exactly. To the victim, ALL assaults are equally real To assign realativre value is to diminish another's reality. They do it all the time in dictatorships. Minimize the small stuff so the big stuff looks even less evil.

Like those who think that stealing office supplies is not the same as embezzling 100K. They ar edifferent in amount, but exactly the same in kind. They are both theft.

it's called relative morality and a sure path to a corrupt character. let alone social chaos.

Stop the hand wringing okay?

Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

HERE:
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

OBVIOUSLY some people here calling Marcel a "victim" when in reality HE DOES NOT SEE HIMSELF AS ONE, and apparently he never felt threatened at all.
As a matter of fact he said he went into his bedroom after the incident and Cliff started to horseplay even more and was throwing chocolate bars at him. That's when Marcel was like, enough of this sh*t, I'm sleeping in the bathroom.

Marcel knows it was stupid druken frat house type behavior ...why is it people here want it turned into some major crime, comparing to real assault victims??

If HE did not feel threatened or like it was an assault, why the hell are some here continuing this HYSTERICAL hyperbole?

Talk about disproportionate response.

I do not condone 'Jackass' type antics from that night, but what is MORE scary is the response from some people.

Did it ever occur to you that Marcel may be minimizing this to save face? After all, it was his masculinity (so to speak) on the line against Cliffs.

Let me 'splain...
no, that would take too long...
Let me sum it up (<-- anybody who gets that movie reference wins cool points)

I don't know what it's like to be a dude, but I would imagine that any assault may be minimized & played off as rough-housing in order to save face.

Holster

January 19, 2007 - 11:14 PM

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Stop the hand wringing okay?

Sugar,
I'll do with my hands whatever I like and forever long as I like, K?
Thanks, sug.

As for the article, you're a bit late...I posted that hours ago, But thanks anyway...

Preciate it!

Well..good for you.

Do you work, or collect some government disability check for having mental illness?
Just curious, Sugar.

LOL> Um. No, But i sure would like too...seems everyone and their son has their hand in the gov't till.

But thaniks for the helpful advice, K?

Preciate it.

Holster

January 19, 2007 - 11:30 PM

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Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

Actually he and the reporter compared it to something out of Lords of Discipline...a Pat Conroy (great author btw!) novel in which there's plenty of sick, criminal torture.

A small correction, but important.

Holster

January 20, 2007 - 12:08 AM

Interesting post from TWOP...can't gaurante the accuracy ...

Get this, I just got off the phone with my sister's fiance. He works in one of those five star, hard to get a reservation restuarants in NYC( i can't remember the name for the life of me, my memory sucks) and he gave me some cool info.

His boss and five other owners of those high end restuarants were originally interested in hiring some of the Clipper Clique(my sister's nickname for the asshats), but after watching that last episode, they were all foaming at the mouth to get at Marcel. They want NOTHING to do with Sam, Elia, Cliff or Ilan. And my sister's fiance is dying to work with Marcel. He's actually encouraging his boss to send a head hunter out to him.( I didn't even know the food world had head hunters.) Apparently all the cook/chefs that my sister's fiance(his name is Loki by the way) works with want Marcel.

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Hawaii Four-O
Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....

http://mcrumistudio.com/hawaii4o.jpg

Marcel interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

KINJIRU

January 20, 2007 - 12:24 AM

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Just jumping in to ask a question, maybe Actor and/Holster or whomever...

With the rules clearly stating, threatening or actual physical contact can get you thrown off the program, do you think if they had either repremanded or thrown Frank off the show (like the just did with Cliff) when he threatened Marcel it would have prevented the craziness (scuffle) that happened on the last episode?

You know....That's an interesting take on things. It seems like Bravo/The TC ProdCrew will "ignore" the rules "for the sake of the program's continuity". If they stuck to the rules AS-POSTED, the final 4 going to Hawaii would be different enough to make things more of a "contest" in the end.

KINJIRU

MicrowaveHo

January 20, 2007 - 12:33 AM

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Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

Actually he and the reporter compared it to something out of Lords of Discipline...a Pat Conroy (great author btw!) novel in which there's plenty of sick, criminal torture.

A small correction, but important.

WHAA???? I never said this. you've mis-quoted or some shizz.

Mine was the response after this person's.

Holster

January 20, 2007 - 12:38 AM

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Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

Actually he and the reporter compared it to something out of Lords of Discipline...a Pat Conroy (great author btw!) novel in which there's plenty of sick, criminal torture.

A small correction, but important.

WHAA???? I never said this. you've mis-quoted or some shizz.

Mine was the response after this person's.

Sorry Micro...i pulled Raleigh's quote from your response...thought you'd understand....

didn;t mean to give the impression that you said it...... we ok?

KINJIRU

January 20, 2007 - 12:38 AM

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Because the Bravo/Top Chef management did not step in when Frank's threat was made, I feel the Bravo/Top Chef team were just as guilty. They stood by and watched it develop also. So I believe the management is equally responsible for the actions of the last episode.

I think you are absolutely right. It would not be difficult to legally argue their culpability in creating a hostile environment...in a regular business, Ilan would have been fired long ago for sexual harassment.

And given the contractual nature of this show, it is technically a business, and subject to federal law.

Given the statute of limitations, it is no surprise that Bravo had Cliff on video Wed night putting out the "little brother" fiction. Marcel could sue at any time. I'm just glad he has the kind of integrity the others lack and won't stoop to a MickyD-style lawsuit.

Sexual Harassment? OF WHOM?! That's a big ol' Matzo Ball to throw out there. Whom did Ilan sexually harass?

KINJIRU

Holster

January 20, 2007 - 12:52 AM

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Sexual Harassment? OF WHOM?! That's a big ol' Matzo Ball to throw out there. Whom did Ilan sexually harass?

KINJIRU

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment when submission to or rejection of this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following:

* The victim as well as the harasser may be a woman or a man. The victim does not have to be of the opposite sex.
* The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, an agent of the employer, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or a non-employee.
* The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct.
* Unlawful sexual harassment may occur without economic injury to or discharge of the victim.
* The harasser's conduct must be unwelcome.

Ilan's deragatory comments about Marcel's "virginity" etc during prep for the Sin competition would fall under the legal definition.
since we can safely assume this occrred more than once, most corporations would give him a pink slip in the time it takes to steam a clam

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Hawaii Four-O
Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....

http://mcrumistudio.com/hawaii4o.jpg

Marcel interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

lem0n

January 20, 2007 - 12:55 AM

Marcel did describe it as "that's what drunken frat boys do, not a top chef." The interviewer compared it to Lords of Discipline and Marcel agreed.
To the person who suggests that Marcel wasn't victimized because he compared it to frat antics, who is to say you can't get victimized by frat boys? And yes I agree with MH, he is probably trying not to make a big deal out of it because it would be an embarrassing situation for most guys. Also, there's just no winning with all the critics. If he made a big deal out of it, you'd call him a big baby. Now that he's trying to be a bigger person, you're saying the crime wasn't a big deal.

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Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

Actually he and the reporter compared it to something out of Lords of Discipline...a Pat Conroy (great author btw!) novel in which there's plenty of sick, criminal torture.

A small correction, but important.

WHAA???? I never said this. you've mis-quoted or some shizz.

Mine was the response after this person's.

Holster

January 20, 2007 - 12:59 AM

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Marcel did describe it as "that's what drunken frat boys do, not a top chef." The interviewer compared it to Lords of Discipline and Marcel agreed.
To the person who suggests that Marcel wasn't victimized because he compared it to frat antics, who is to say you can't get victimized by frat boys? And yes I agree with MH, he is probably trying not to make a big deal out of it because it would be an embarrassing situation for most guys. Also, there's just no winning with all the critics. If he made a big deal out of it, you'd call him a big baby. Now that he's trying to be a bigger person, you're saying the crime wasn't a big deal.

Thanks Lem0n, I stand corrected. I agree with your comments.

KINJIRU

January 20, 2007 - 01:12 AM

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snip!

What really is bad is Elia now wrapping herself in the cloak of the Christian faith, claiming how important it is to her, how she reads the Bible every day, yadda yadda yadda. Clearly, if she actually does study the Bible every day, she must be limiting it to the Book of Job, because NOTHING that Jesus Christ ever espoused was reflected in her actions that night.

That left a bad taste in my mouth as well. To live by Scripture is a blessed thing, but to use it like a shield to protect you from the fruits of your own consequences and conspiracies?

That's just wrong. She won't make it to be Top Chef, let alone ANY kind of chef (or for that matter much of a human being) if she continues being a selfish snot.

KINJIRU

KINJIRU

January 20, 2007 - 01:22 AM

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BTW, Does anyone know if Elia's recipe for the last episode is the same for both her QF and the elimination dinner??

I am clueless on that.

More than likely. Elia has a pretty limited cooking repertoire it seems. I still think Elia should have gone instead of Mia. Looking at all the "evidence", Mia's place was assured for the next episode. Her "quitting" to save Elia was a premature mistake. LET THE COOKING DECIDE! : '(

KINJIRU

KINJIRU

January 20, 2007 - 01:31 AM

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and I'll repeat...for the last time..I'm so over this....there is NO way you can compare this act to the one you are trying to compare it to. And by doing that I think you are doing a grave dissevice to real assauts. This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???) There was no danger....he was not going to get killed. he could have slipped in the shower on a bar of soap...we can what if anything to death. How can you guys keep comparing this to a dark alley mugging? It wasn't. Marcel was pissed cause cliff was on him. He wasn't screaming in pain...he was trying to get away. And yes..I still think what he did with the camera was worse....cause it was done in pure anger. (IF it even happened afterwards) For all we know...bravo could have sliced some footage together. We have NO idea...which again...is why everyone shoudl just calm down about it.

maybe marcel was going to the bathroom previously and was just walking pulling his pants up. that's the thing....we don't know. Editors are magicians. Maybe that's why they aren't having a reuinion? maybe it didn't happen the way we saw it? are there any interveiws with the chefs about it?

yes I"ve been assualted and in REAL fear of beaten to death (although it didn't hit me till afterwards). have three convicts that are already serving life attack you...then come crying about rug burns.

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Well said!

And it's true! For all we know, the footage of Marcel smashing the camera MIGHT'VE just been because Ilan tried to videotape him on the toilet before the entire shabang happened.

Editing can make the war in iraq look like kiddies in a sandbox. After all, folks didn't think those fancy frames around the camera footage were part of the camera's firmware, hmmmm?

KINJIRU

Holster

January 20, 2007 - 01:38 AM

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Editing can make the war in iraq look like kiddies in a sandbox.

KINJIRU

I didn't t hink you could reach a new low, but you have.

i wonder if you have any clue how many Iraquis have been killed in the Iraq occupaion??? Your lack of any human decency is heart-breaking.

KINJIRU

January 20, 2007 - 01:45 AM

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This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???)

Have you forgotten that the chefs borrowed the camera from the production crew?

EXACTLY, and knowing how much these cameras must cost, do you think the production crew's gaffer and camera crew would "just loan one" out to a bunch of "strangers" that have shown NOTHING but childish backstabbing left and right?

Unless, of course, Bravo gave the Thumbs Up, expecting to get some INCREDIBLE FOOTAGE with so little risk to the equipment.

Well, they got EXACTLY what they were looking for: Controversy. : '(

KINJIRU

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:08 AM

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The when the accomidations on a tv show begin to resemble one of those trains in India with the people hanging off them you knwo its bad.

LOL

So we're bashing poor Indians now?

Yes thats exactly what I'm doing obviously. Overcrowded and delapidated transportation that India is famous for is only a cover for my secret desire to badmouth all things Bollywood.

Who did you say was stretching again?

LOL

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:15 AM

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Since I already have my devils advocate suit on and swishing my tail around, here is a thought...IF they had to make Marcel out to be a hated guy because of the Wrestle Mania night, and IF they worked something out with him so he would co-operate with them for the whole season, and IF they could threaten the WWF A-hole team with something that would make them keep their mouths shut, WHAT IF this whole season is just a farce and Marcel was going to win all along because he LET THEM use him for ratings...hhmmmm?

LOL. they don't call it a devil's advocate for nothing. LOL. That just seems too involved and convoluted to actually work. Besides, I don't think Marcel would ever agree to something so duplicitous ...it would eventually get out and his reputation would be sullied. The others? Eh!
I could see it. But I don't think they are smart enough or disciplined enough to carry it through. And thank God they aren't.

Yes I'm sure Marcel is a pillar of Trust and Honor. Why? Mainly because you say so of course lol.

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:20 AM

I'm with you Puppet. A stupid joke that ended in one of the competitors getting the boot and its becoame a ridiculous poo storm of baseless speculation, character assassinations and slander. And its not even remotely funny slander. Such a waste.

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everyone is taking this thing way too seriously.

it's a freaken tv show. the production people put these people into a pressure cooker. Read Tom C's Blog.
He explains some of the rules. These people weren't given ANY WAY to relax and get away from each other. They couldn't listen to music on headphones, no tv. They couldn't even take a walk to calm down. Marcel on rapping on the roof? That was a violation of the rules. It was a staged scene. These people had cameras in their faces every moment of the day and night.

don't take my word for it. Read the contestant rules for yourself
http://www.bravotv.com/blog/tomcolicchio/2...f_champions.php

Given the circumstances I'm amazed something worse didn't happen. So Cliff snapped. Get over it.

I'm fed up with this thread. People can't even take a simple joke anymore. I'll be back in a couple weeks to
calmly and rationally talk about the winner.

Adios
S-puppet

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is that a roll of quarters in Cliffs pocket?
or is he just happy top to see Marcel?
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I found this, It really gives you a "sense" of things.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/DrMinor/TC2A.jpg

I'm not sure what is sicker. Cliff's assault on Marcel or the comment by s_puppet.

Oh heck...a tie!

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:28 AM

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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."

Marcel did not admit breaking the glasses. No one knows who did it. However Frank said that he demanded that Marcel pay for them, and Marcel said he would. Probably to calm down the enraged bully.

hmmm I seem to recall Marcel having two different stories about how he "cleaned" up the room. One in which he braggadociously claims he threw everything ont he floor. And a second where he sheepishly claims to the enraged frank that he "put them in his toiletties bag".
What possible "syndrome' can you google up to explain this?

LOL

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:41 AM

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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...

(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)

You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

"The friends I've made have been with the production crews. So many of them came up to me after the show and said they were rooting for me, that they thought I was getting a raw deal from the rest of the contestants. I take pride in that because these people really knew what went down."

Why am I not surprised that the Production Crew would befriend Marcel.

Very interesting.

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:43 AM

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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...

(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)

You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

WOW! Listen to this about the "Assault"

"Let's talk about the most controversial moment on the show, when Cliff, Ilan and Sam assaulted you in the last challenge.

"I'm taking a nap on the couch, and Cliff picked me up in a full-nelson, tossed me on the floor. The plan was to toss me around like a rag doll and have Ilan hold a camera and Sam shave me while Cliff held me down."

Sounds like something out of Lords of Discipline.

"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door."

NO wonder Cliff is trying to act all kissy-face. Unbelievable. Children.

Marcel rocks the house.

Hmmm parties every friday night at his house in Highschool. Sure sounds like someone suffering from a socially crippling syndrome. LOL

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:44 AM

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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)

You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

HAving read the article, I am now convinced Marcel won.
And deservedly so. They really did torture him.
Ilan? reminds of that pitiful creature in Lord Of The Rings...who keeps saying "precious, my precious...." Sad.

Marcel is DOPE!

I'm sure he won too, Its obvious that this season has been more about Top Outcast, much more than Top Chef.

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January 20, 2007 - 03:45 AM

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What really is bad is Elia now wrapping herself in the cloak of the Christian faith, claiming how important it is to her, how she reads the Bible every day, yadda yadda yadda. Clearly, if she actually does study the Bible every day, she must be limiting it to the Book of Job, because NOTHING that Jesus Christ ever espoused was reflected in her actions that night.

I was in Job's Daughters (an organization with Masonic affiliation) for many years, and if nothing else, the lessons of Job taught us that in the face of adversity, one must have absolute faith in the face of challenge, the knowledge that you will, indeed, be tested, that your adversary can and will test you to your very limits (you may not win, but if you do, you'll be rewarded a hundred fold), and that forgiveness--of your God, The Adversary and those around you--is all part of something beyond our scope but within our possibilities.

All that may not have been on Elia's mind that night of shearing, but I'm willing to bet it was the morning after, and I think she was counting on the fact that "forgiveness" was a fairly big deal in Christ's book as well as Job's.

I'm not especially "Christian" anymore, but if Elia wants to "cloak herself in the Christian faith," then that's her own bugaboo and her own "cross to bear," and maybe she doesn't even feel she did anything worth repenting for.

Religion is such a touchy subject overall, and kind of creepy when applied to a reality show, but since it was brought up and all ...

Don't Mind Amazon Chef, Im shure she will work her way around to insulting all the other religions in her own time.

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January 20, 2007 - 03:46 AM

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This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???)

Have you forgotten that the chefs borrowed the camera from the production crew?

and we are to beleive that bravo wasn't taping anything that night because the kids borrowed a camera? I dont' think so....

You could be totally correct in you assessment, but then you could be in error also. I don't know, and have no real clue if they were there or not. No one has come forth to say they were or weren't there.

The proof lies in the Executive Producer's blog. They knew NOTHING about the assault until Marcel mentioned it in passing during an interview the following day. Only then did they confiscate the tape. So, either the Executive Producer is out-and-out lying, which I find hardly credible, even for this gang, or it is as she said. If someone on sataff had been filming, they would have known about it immediately, and Tom would have been called imediately,

Simple enough I think.

You believe the Producers?!? Baaaaaa Baaaaaaa

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January 20, 2007 - 03:51 AM

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The proof lies in the Executive Producer's blog. They knew NOTHING about the assault until Marcel mentioned it in passing during an interview the following day. Only then did they confiscate the tape. So, either the Executive Producer is out-and-out lying, which I find hardly credible, even for this gang, or it is as she said. If someone on sataff had been filming, they would have known about it immediately, and Tom would have been called imediately,

so they don't film them all the time then? so harold was lying? I just don't think we know everything. There are three sides to every story.

Kiasma..Read the producers Blog They don't film whilst everyone is sleeping but a producer is close by in case of emergency...And Marcel did not go running to them...The guy is now taller than Sam in my eyes!!!

Ummmm let me ask you all a very simple question. If your a Producer on a reality show and the contestants after the last challange before the final judging ASK you for a camera, when they have a house full of booze, do you just give it to them and go to sleep? And wouldn't the camera be the first thing you wanted to get your hands on in the morning? Sorry given the situation I don't buy at all that the producers were blissfully unaware of this when there were so many red flags leading up to it.

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January 20, 2007 - 03:53 AM

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Where do you find this stuff Holster????

This is fascinating..I had heard that someone broke a bottle on his head but wasn't sure it was true....Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him????
Sigh.......This just gets sadder and sadder.

That interviewer was great..He asked all the questions I would have.

I do believe him about Frank..Frank got all kinds of hate mail and changed his story right away....He never even mentioned sun glasses at first.AND too true....Ilan....what could he have said the very first day to make him hate him so.

They better get a better shrink next time for pre show.
The one they got musta' been as good as Mikey's dentist!!!

GO MARCEL!!!!!!!!!!!

Again....He needs to thank them...They have quite possibly made Marcel a very rich man and very loved...Peeps don't like bullies.With all the game playing and hating on Marcel did they ever think it would turn out like this???

Marcel the terrible has just now turned into Marcel the wonderful!!!!

Exactemente!

I am will be here night and day like the Hound Of Hell defending his name until he prepares a fuking soigne meal on the outer Isalnd and takes home the 100K.

This has become an epic tale between the conventional lying cowardly brat pack bullies of the world and the unjustly picked-upon and assaulted creative geeky talent just trying to bring some beauty into our lives.

The battle conitinues.

Mozart vs Salieri and the sycophantic court.

Frodo vs Gollum and the Ringwraiths

Oliver Twist vs Fagin and the theives

LOL.....this is a classic tale of good and evil....

Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....

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Lol you are seriously in need of some sedatives.

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January 20, 2007 - 03:53 AM

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Bravo absolutly had the camers running, because when they were in the bathroom cutting the hair, they showed Sam with the Camera while Ilan was cutting his hair!

Interesting....

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 03:56 AM

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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)

You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

Good interview find!

Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!

This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."

^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!

I bet it was domestic Chocolate too, The Fiend!!!!!

LOL.

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January 20, 2007 - 03:58 AM

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Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!

This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."

^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!

LOL...weird thing is, most chefs I know smoke. And yet it kills their taste buds...weird.

LOL that would explain the lukewarm clam's hearts of plam and coconut milk.

Per TOM..... WORST DISH EVER!!!! lol

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 04:04 AM

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Here's the thing ....Everyone sees this incident through their own lens...Imagine what peeps from da hood would say about the 'incident'....They would laugh us out of Dodge..I understand that...Someone in Iraq right now would say.....puuuuuuuuulese..You are upset over that???
I can feel the Marcel haters/dislikers seething right now.
But we have to express this as we are all obsessed TC nuts who have invested a lot of time and emotion into these peeps who have now... I feel....betrayed who we thought they were.

It's not just this one incident......it's the whole season and the Betty screeching at him like he wasn't a human being......Frank threatening him...They all felt they could as what would Marcel the little gnat do???

He's not threatening in any way.....if he was rude and disrespectful...then tell him and ignore him....Cliff has apologized and he was drunk...Peeps can get very mean whenst drunk.We have to accept that at face value....If he means it or not.He did take it like a man.In Cliff's world as a rough and tumble guy ..this may be how they do play jokes on each other.....Cliff was not on the alliance. Not condoning just tryng to understand.
He didn't scream and screech like Betty did when she got caught..'cheating"...he left and was sorry....OK

I would forgive the others in a second if they were one bit contrite.

I hope they are all reading here as they say they do...I hope they can look inwards and have an "epiphany"

It took me years to do that .to really say...hey..you were wrong so many times in your life girl. But only enlightened peeps can do that.

OK...I think we have analyzed this to death....lol

I'm hungry!!!!!

Frank- He got on Marcel's ass for putting his toothbrush on the ground (thanks to our friend Sam) when the film had clearly shown that he had placed the tooth brush in his shaving kit bag.

Marcel himself said that he threw everything on the floor.

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January 20, 2007 - 04:07 AM

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I understand that you think that our reaction makes light of real assaults, but that is entirely not the case. What happened to Marcel is unacceptable behavior and the kind of assaults you describe are also unacceptable. What I have a problem with is that you said:
"There was no danger"

We all saw Cliff hold Marcel down by his neck. That could easily turn into a very serious injury. Like some hockey player got punched in the neck and now he's paralyzed. Yes, Cliff did not go into this planning to hurt Marcel but it could happen. The fact that nothing more serious than rug burn and bruises happened does not change its unacceptability.

Exactly. To the victim, ALL assaults are equally real To assign realativre value is to diminish another's reality. They do it all the time in dictatorships. Minimize the small stuff so the big stuff looks even less evil.

Like those who think that stealing office supplies is not the same as embezzling 100K. They ar edifferent in amount, but exactly the same in kind. They are both theft.

it's called relative morality and a sure path to a corrupt character. let alone social chaos.

Stop the hand wringing okay?

Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

HERE:
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

OBVIOUSLY some people here calling Marcel a "victim" when in reality HE DOES NOT SEE HIMSELF AS ONE, and apparently he never felt threatened at all.
As a matter of fact he said he went into his bedroom after the incident and Cliff started to horseplay even more and was throwing chocolate bars at him. That's when Marcel was like, enough of this sh*t, I'm sleeping in the bathroom.

Marcel knows it was stupid druken frat house type behavior ...why is it people here want it turned into some major crime, comparing to real assault victims??

If HE did not feel threatened or like it was an assault, why the hell are some here continuing this HYSTERICAL hyperbole?

Talk about disproportionate response.

I do not condone 'Jackass' type antics from that night, but what is MORE scary is the response from some people.

Because mainly their sheep that have become so sucked in and vested in a TV program that they choose to blow everything out of proportion in an effort ot prop up their horse in the race.

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January 20, 2007 - 04:13 AM

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I understand that you think that our reaction makes light of real assaults, but that is entirely not the case. What happened to Marcel is unacceptable behavior and the kind of assaults you describe are also unacceptable. What I have a problem with is that you said:
"There was no danger"

We all saw Cliff hold Marcel down by his neck. That could easily turn into a very serious injury. Like some hockey player got punched in the neck and now he's paralyzed. Yes, Cliff did not go into this planning to hurt Marcel but it could happen. The fact that nothing more serious than rug burn and bruises happened does not change its unacceptability.

Exactly. To the victim, ALL assaults are equally real To assign realativre value is to diminish another's reality. They do it all the time in dictatorships. Minimize the small stuff so the big stuff looks even less evil.

Like those who think that stealing office supplies is not the same as embezzling 100K. They ar edifferent in amount, but exactly the same in kind. They are both theft.

it's called relative morality and a sure path to a corrupt character. let alone social chaos.

Stop the hand wringing okay?

Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

HERE:
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

OBVIOUSLY some people here calling Marcel a "victim" when in reality HE DOES NOT SEE HIMSELF AS ONE, and apparently he never felt threatened at all.
As a matter of fact he said he went into his bedroom after the incident and Cliff started to horseplay even more and was throwing chocolate bars at him. That's when Marcel was like, enough of this sh*t, I'm sleeping in the bathroom.

Marcel knows it was stupid druken frat house type behavior ...why is it people here want it turned into some major crime, comparing to real assault victims??

If HE did not feel threatened or like it was an assault, why the hell are some here continuing this HYSTERICAL hyperbole?

Talk about disproportionate response.

I do not condone 'Jackass' type antics from that night, but what is MORE scary is the response from some people.

Did it ever occur to you that Marcel may be minimizing this to save face? After all, it was his masculinity (so to speak) on the line against Cliffs.

Let me 'splain...
no, that would take too long...
Let me sum it up (<-- anybody who gets that movie reference wins cool points)

I don't know what it's like to be a dude, but I would imagine that any assault may be minimized & played off as rough-housing in order to save face.

Hold your horses there Inigo. If he says he wasn't scared why doubt him. Alternatively if you want to second guess his whole interview I'm sure you could spin numerous comments of his in a variety of ways.

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 04:17 AM

Marcel also didn't go runing to tell the producers what happened either, which lends to the belief that he didn't think it was a major deal at the time either.

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To the person who suggests that Marcel wasn't victimized because he compared it to frat antics, who is to say you can't get victimized by frat boys? And yes I agree with MH, he is probably trying not to make a big deal out of it because it would be an embarrassing situation for most guys. Also, there's just no winning with all the critics. If he made a big deal out of it, you'd call him a big baby. Now that he's trying to be a bigger person, you're saying the crime wasn't a big deal.

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Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

Actually he and the reporter compared it to something out of Lords of Discipline...a Pat Conroy (great author btw!) novel in which there's plenty of sick, criminal torture.

A small correction, but important.

WHAA???? I never said this. you've mis-quoted or some shizz.

Mine was the response after this person's.

WhataJoke

January 20, 2007 - 04:32 AM

Intersting Tid Bit from Tom's Blogg about him wanting to make Marcel the winner.

He said: "For the first time all season, the Producers stepped in with a veto. Sending all of the chefs but Marcel home wasn't going to happen."

ALL SEASON????? So this little slip of the tounge implys that he's been vetoed before last season?

This show is loosing more and more credibility by the second.

And to say that the judging won't be influenced the rest of the way by this incident is laughable.

sizzler

January 20, 2007 - 04:33 AM

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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)

You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

WOW Holster. Thank you for that article. VERY IMPRESSIVE of him. One thing I noticed was that he did mention that he did value Elia's opinion but didn't mention how he felt about her now, after her betrayal. Would love to hear that. If I ever got to Vegas, I would definately look him up. The others? Not a chance. Especially Ilan...who wants to shake hands with a chronic masturbator. LMAO Good one Marcel!

sizzler

January 20, 2007 - 04:37 AM

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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)

You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

WOW! Listen to this about the "Assault"

"Let's talk about the most controversial moment on the show, when Cliff, Ilan and Sam assaulted you in the last challenge.

"I'm taking a nap on the couch, and Cliff picked me up in a full-nelson, tossed me on the floor. The plan was to toss me around like a rag doll and have Ilan hold a camera and Sam shave me while Cliff held me down."

Sounds like something out of Lords of Discipline.

"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door."

NO wonder Cliff is trying to act all kissy-face. Unbelievable. Children.

Marcel rocks the house.

NO kidding!! Now I know why they had the "favorite chef" BEFORE this episode. Marcel probably would have won. What sick people they are. I hope it ruins ALL of their careers after this. GO MARCEL!!!

aguynamedWayne

January 20, 2007 - 04:40 AM

I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.

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January 20, 2007 - 04:44 AM

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I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.

Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.

sizzler

January 20, 2007 - 04:50 AM

Really you think he won? I hope so. His responses to interviews really confirms what I gathered from various sources. While Ilan just comes across as kinda crazy, have you seen his audition video on bravo? He's so fidgety and bragged about stupid things like getting fired for personality conflicts and how he likes to argue. I feel sorry Marcel had to put up with people like that.

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You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

HAving read the article, I am now convinced Marcel won.
And deservedly so. They really did torture him.
Ilan? reminds of that pitiful creature in Lord Of The Rings...who keeps saying "precious, my precious...." Sad.

Marcel is DOPE!

I do. But of course I'monly guessing from the various clues. What I do know is that once Marcel's story does get out...as it is now...sympathy wil be wholly in his corner and Betty, Sam, Elan, and Elia should take themselves to a monastery/convent.

I can see people boycotting Grub in LA or Casa Mono in NYC and Salute in Jersey....not something I would endorse, but people are pretty passionate about this show and especially about how Marcel has been treated.

It really is astonishing that Tom C lends his name and reputation to this crap. They should have booted the brat pack as Tom requested and given the 100K to Marcel. If he loses, and sues now, I wouldn't blame him at all.

Where do you find this stuff Holster????

This is fascinating..I had heard that someone broke a bottle on his head but wasn't sure it was true....Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him????
Sigh.......This just gets sadder and sadder.

That interviewer was great..He asked all the questions I would have.

I do believe him about Frank..Frank got all kinds of hate mail and changed his story right away....He never even mentioned sun glasses at first.AND too true....Ilan....what could he have said the very first day to make him hate him so.

They better get a better shrink next time for pre show.
The one they got musta' been as good as Mikey's dentist!!!

GO MARCEL!!!!!!!!!!!

Again....He needs to thank them...They have quite possibly made Marcel a very rich man and very loved...Peeps don't like bullies.With all the game playing and hating on Marcel did they ever think it would turn out like this???

Marcel the terrible has just now turned into Marcel the wonderful!!!!

Does anyone know WHY that psycho hit Marcel with the bottle? Did she say anything? You know, like "Cliff was my fave and you got him kicked off" etc? Just wondering what was behind it. Hey, I don't like most of them, but wouldn't even THINK of attacking them physically.

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January 20, 2007 - 04:59 AM

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I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.

Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.

While this may be true, it is not a violation of the rules, Marcel did not assault/prank anyone. The others participated/contributed to Cliff's actions. They are all guilty. And does not change the fact that the producers, not the judges, decided who the winner should be.

sizzler

January 20, 2007 - 05:05 AM

no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.

I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.

Funny, you say Marcel could have hurt Ilan's eye...I didn't see any black eye on Ilan, (too bad!) but Marcel did have bruises and carpet burns..so who really got hurt here? How did Marcel know Cliff wasn't going to hurt him? There sure hadn't been any indication of friendship shown so far in the show towards him. Plus, at first he didn't even KNOW it was Cliff. Controlled? WTF have you been reading??? Controlled alright, by the three a-holes!

...AND the BRAVO Film Crew (who HAD to be there to have given them the camera in the first place (as they said at the beginning of that skit)).

KINJIRU

good point. AND, even though Marcel has said nothing about filing a law suit, I wonder if he hasn't been approched by a "ambulance chaser" type of lawyer trying to make a name for themselves. And before anyone starts whining because they are/were/know a good lawyer and they would NEVER do that, hello!! Those kind are out there.
ps I looked up KINJIRU out of curiosity...means "forbidden" interesting choice. (O:

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Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!

This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."

^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!

LOL...weird thing is, most chefs I know smoke. And yet it kills their taste buds...weird.

That is true. Not a chef, but both Hubby and I quit smoking 1 1/2 yrs ago and things that I used to like...yuck! Now I find that there are a lot of things I never liked before that are pretty darn good!

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