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January 20, 2007 - 05:11 AM
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I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.
Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.
While this may be true, it is not a violation of the rules, Marcel did not assault/prank anyone. The others participated/contributed to Cliff's actions. They are all guilty. And does not change the fact that the producers, not the judges, decided who the winner should be.
My point ws about the moral fiber claim you made. If Marcel was of Moral Fiber he doesn't stab someone in the back who shouldered most of the risk in the challange once the coast is clear.
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 05:17 AM
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...it's not really that important.
never is till someone dies...and many have at frat hazings where this stuff happens...and i know ...i ran our hell week...sigma nu, u of az.
i'm sorry you can't grasp the notion of personal privacy and safety. maybe if yours is violated by someone twice as big as you who actively dislikes you, you might get a glimmer....
no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.
I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.
Funny, you say Marcel could have hurt Ilan's eye...I didn't see any black eye on Ilan, (too bad!) but Marcel did have bruises and carpet burns..so who really got hurt here? How did Marcel know Cliff wasn't going to hurt him? There sure hadn't been any indication of friendship shown so far in the show towards him. Plus, at first he didn't even KNOW it was Cliff. Controlled? WTF have you been reading??? Controlled alright, by the three a-holes!
And, just a little added note. I hope once back in Vegas, the restaurant owners there see this and tell Elia to 'PACK HER KNIVES AND LEAVE TOWN"! In the beginning when she said she had worked with him before, defended him, blah blah blah, she showed herself to be a good person, someone who would be nice to work with. THEN, after joining the 'DARK SIDE", she turned her back on someone she concidered a friend. Go back to your family Elia, cook for them because any self-respecting chef should be afraid to have you in their kitchen. JMHO, take it or leave it.
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KINJIRU
thank you, thank you...(doing a little curtsey) (O:
aguynamedWayne
January 20, 2007 - 05:31 AM
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I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.
Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.
While this may be true, it is not a violation of the rules, Marcel did not assault/prank anyone. The others participated/contributed to Cliff's actions. They are all guilty. And does not change the fact that the producers, not the judges, decided who the winner should be.
My point ws about the moral fiber claim you made. If Marcel was of Moral Fiber he doesn't stab someone in the back who shouldered most of the risk in the challange once the coast is clear.
Well some would call that having a shrewd, but effective strategy. What the other's participated in was not a strategic move to help them win the competition. They were vocally and physically demeaning Marcel for their pleasure.
So I stand by my minor point. But really, I would still point out, that there seems to be a lack of concern about my main point. Which is that, the producers of the show, are really running things. The "judges" are just a red herrings. The producers pick the winner they feel will garner the best ratings. When Tom C. said all of the "assault/prank gang" should be kicked off, and Marcel declared the winner; that should have been it, but it wasn't. The producers had always had a different outcome in mind (I suspect they want Sam, it seems he has been "groomed" for the title in the editing process, in my opinion). This means, the show lacks integrity, and unfortunately means the title of Top Chef, doesn't really mean anything.
(but hey, it's entertaining, and the winner (justified or not) does get 100 grand. So it's not all bad.)
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January 20, 2007 - 05:31 AM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
Todd.....I godda hug you....lol..You made me laugh so hard last night.Wanna be one of my gays????
((((Todd))))
I am a co Miss Savant 2007 dontchya know??
You can help me pick my next pair of shoes...lol
LOL! sure! ..but.I know NOTHING about shoes, have no fashion sense(no PR fanatic here)..I like sports(GO BUCKEYES).. I do not care so much for the fine arts or interior design..and I have always gotten the 'so how is your wife" or "how many kids do you have' thing at work-from people I have worked with for a long time and should know better! lol.
(Don't tell on me or they may take away my GAY! card!)
Oh GAWD..I had to get stuck with a butch gay.....lol
OK ......well we'll tawk tail gate parties!!!!
lol..well I don't know about 'butch'..I guess maybe in a 'relative' way lol. I also hate shopping. Malls suck. What is wrong with me?
*I like gardening and landscaping and plants...and architecture..that makes up for the rest a little huh?..I can do you Miss Savant 2007 flowers and all!
Yeah and then throw me out on the street right after.....LOL!!!!
WHAT KIND OF A GAY ARE YOU????????????
Welcome to Miss Savant 2007 Gays.... ahem a co only ....
sob.....Damn that Siz
My gays have only the best ...We have the best parties and
meet the best peeps and get into the best clubs and do the most decadent things
and then we get Donald Trunp to forgive us all of it 
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(I REALLY need to get me some Queens....lol)
WAAAA! I am SO TIRED of you whining about sharing the title. I think I am going to have a talk with The Donald about this and, and, maybe call Rosie too!!! This is SO out of control...you get ALL the gays...CHEATER CHEATER!!
lol
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 05:48 AM
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Interesting post from TWOP...can't gaurante the accuracy ...
Get this, I just got off the phone with my sister's fiance. He works in one of those five star, hard to get a reservation restuarants in NYC( i can't remember the name for the life of me, my memory sucks) and he gave me some cool info.
His boss and five other owners of those high end restuarants were originally interested in hiring some of the Clipper Clique(my sister's nickname for the asshats), but after watching that last episode, they were all foaming at the mouth to get at Marcel. They want NOTHING to do with Sam, Elia, Cliff or Ilan. And my sister's fiance is dying to work with Marcel. He's actually encouraging his boss to send a head hunter out to him.( I didn't even know the food world had head hunters.) Apparently all the cook/chefs that my sister's fiance(his name is Loki by the way) works with want Marcel.
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Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....
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Marcel interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
BOY!! I sure hope that is true....would be just desserts for these a-holes....and as I have said before, you can't tell me that after watching these shows any respectable restaurant would hire them!!
DaphLovesTC
January 20, 2007 - 07:45 AM
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Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.
This is the response that Marcel gave regarding that Judge's table in his interview:
The second incident was your apparent lack of grace at the catering episode when Sam won the challenge.
"Of the 13 dishes, nine of them were my suggestions, and I made four of them. What hurt me about that one was that it wasn't about winning the challenge, but about recognition. I killed myself in that kitchen for them, working 12 straight hours, and I never got one pat on the back or thank you. Ilan and Sam took a lunch hour, which I never did on that challenge, and Betty took off for 30 minutes, slapping on all this makeup, but I worked through it, because I wanted to prove myself a team player. A real leader would offered at least a thank you for all the hard work, but Sam never did."
His pauses and stares at the now-empty shrimp cocktail glass. The wounds are still fresh on this one."Look, maybe I wasn't as gracious as I could have been, but I'm human—there was only so much disrespect I could take."
IronChef
January 20, 2007 - 08:36 AM
The Ballad Of The "Bully-Gang"
Yesterday in old Las Vegas
Mr. Vigneron was 'bused.
Now they got the "gang" that did it
On a charge Marcel was used.
Some folks say they just was playin',
Others say they made him pay,
'Cause they all agreed the guy just wasn't all that damn soignee.
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Oh, you can't clip your castmate down in old Las Vegas
Not even if it's meant to be in fun.
No, you can't chop your top chef down in old Las Vegas
You know someone'll pack their knives 'n run.
Well, they got him on the sofa
Where he'd gone to take a nap.
They'd been drinkin'; wasn't thinkin
When they thought to shear his cap.
Now, Cliff, he played the muscle man,
And Sam was set to shear.
Ilan was there to film it all,
With Elia there to cheer.
(chorus)
Oh, you can't shear your bunkmate down in old Las Vegas
Not even if you're tired of his cuisine.
No, you can't buzz old 'Foamy down in old Las Vegas
You know it's almost sure to cause a scene.
Well, Cliff, he tried to hold him down,
Ilan was camera-ready.
Sam was laughin' up a storm.
Their nerves were moonshine-steady.
But in the end, the little guy, he up and ran away,
Surely pissed, but "shorn-ly" missed--guess "Foam" don't play 'dat way!
(chorus)
Oh, you can't clip your castmate down in old Las Vegas
And then blame all the damage on moonshine.
No, you can't call him "Chop Chef" down in old Las Vegas
You know the judges won't approve the whine.
Well, they didn't get to shave Marcel.
They kinda chickened out.
But never one to be outdone,
Ilan just had to shout,
"Let's shave our own, since Foamy, he's done run away and hid!"
He said "Elia, cut it out!" and that's exactly what she did.
(chorus)
Oh, you can't shave your a$$es down in old Las Vegas
And then expect to not hear "Let's evict 'em!"
No, you can't save your a$$es down in old Las Vegas
You know the boards'll scream "don't blame the victim!"
So, now they want the "Bully-Gang."
Well, them that's left, they say.
Since Cliff was axed, and asked to pack his bags that fateful day.
The others roam, without their foam, a "pack" that some comdemn.
Like musketeers, they've heard the jeers of "Foul Ad Hominem!"
"Hang 'em high!" the boards'll say.
"They can't treat poor Marcel that way!"
But he'll be back, and we'll all watch
him say "I'm not your b!tch, beeyotch!"
Yes, we can moan, and we'll still fight, but we'll be back next
Wednesday night.
Just lock your doors, 'cause threats don't faze 'er. Here comes Elia with a brand new razor!!!
Lia
yochoc
January 20, 2007 - 08:39 AM
I was able to read the article as well, and I too think it was a good article. I feels so bad for Marcel. By the looks of things it will not get much better.
DaphLovesTC
January 20, 2007 - 08:41 AM
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The Ballad Of The "Bully-Gang"
Yesterday in old Las Vegas
Mr. Vigneron was 'bused.
Now they got the "gang" that did it
On a charge Marcel was used.
Some folks say they just was playin',
Others say they made him pay,
'Cause they all agreed the guy just wasn't all that damn soignee.
(chorus)
Oh, you can't clip your castmate down in old Las Vegas
Not even if it's meant to be in fun.
No, you can't chop your top chef down in old Las Vegas
You know someone'll pack their knives 'n run.
Well, they got him on the sofa
Where he'd gone to take a nap.
They'd been drinkin'; wasn't thinkin
When they thought to shear his cap.
Now, Cliff, he played the muscle man,
And Sam was set to shear.
Ilan was there to film it all,
With Elia there to cheer.
(chorus)
Oh, you can't shear your bunkmate down in old Las Vegas
Not even if you're tired of his cuisine.
No, you can't buzz old 'Foamy down in old Las Vegas
You know it's almost sure to cause a scene.
Well, Cliff, he tried to hold him down,
Ilan was camera-ready.
Sam was laughin' up a storm.
Their nerves were moonshine-steady.
But in the end, the little guy, he up and ran away,
Surely pissed, but "shorn-ly" missed--guess "Foam" don't play 'dat way!
(chorus)
Oh, you can't clip your castmate down in old Las Vegas
And then blame all the damage on moonshine.
No, you can't call him "Chop Chef" down in old Las Vegas
You know the judges won't approve the whine.
Well, they didn't get to shave Marcel.
They kinda chickened out.
But never one to be outdone,
Ilan just had to shout,
"Let's shave our own, since Foamy, he's done run away and hid!"
He said "Elia, cut it out!" and that's exactly what she did.
(chorus)
Oh, you can't shave your a$$es down in old Las Vegas
And then expect to not hear "Let's evict 'em!"
No, you can't save your a$$es down in old Las Vegas
You know the boards'll scream "don't blame the victim!"
So, now they want the "Bully-Gang."
Well, them that's left, they say.
Since Cliff was axed, and asked to pack his bags that fateful day.
The others roam, without their foam, a "pack" that some comdemn.
Like musketeers, they've heard the jeers of "Foul Ad Hominem!"
"Hang 'em high!" the boards'll say.
"They can't treat poor Marcel that way!"
But he'll be back, and we'll all watch
him say "I'm not your b!tch, beeyotch!"
Yes, we can moan, and we'll still fight, but we'll be back next
Wednesday night.
Just lock your doors, 'cause threats don't faze 'er. Here comes Elia with a brand new razor!!!
Lia
ROTFLMAO!!!
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January 20, 2007 - 09:50 AM
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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
In my humble opinion a threat is a threat, and Frank threatened Marcel.
WELL STILL THINK FRANK WOULDN'T HAVE GONE MUCH FURTHER
TILL LATER LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
I've disagreed with this before, and I still do. I thought that Frank was a great chef, in that he could think on his feet. If he had had any more time he would have fixed that dish and we would be talking about what he was going to do in Hawaii now.
Just my opinion, of course, but it feels right to me.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:15 AM
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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
In my humble opinion a threat is a threat, and Frank threatened Marcel.
WELL STILL THINK FRANK WOULDN'T HAVE GONE MUCH FURTHER
TILL LATER LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
I've disagreed with this before, and I still do. I thought that Frank was a great chef, in that he could think on his feet. If he had had any more time he would have fixed that dish and we would be talking about what he was going to do in Hawaii now.
Just my opinion, of course, but it feels right to me.
Frank was the one I was pulling for from the beginning of the season. I absolutely hated to see him leave. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they used his threat to Marcel as the real reason for sending him home, but looked for any possible thing they could find in his cooking as their excuse to send him packing. Then Mike became my favorite, but now he's gone, too. Now I'm afraid to have a favorite because I'm sure I'll jinx him, too.
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 10:21 AM
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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
In my humble opinion a threat is a threat, and Frank threatened Marcel.
WELL STILL THINK FRANK WOULDN'T HAVE GONE MUCH FURTHER
TILL LATER LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
I've disagreed with this before, and I still do. I thought that Frank was a great chef, in that he could think on his feet. If he had had any more time he would have fixed that dish and we would be talking about what he was going to do in Hawaii now.
Just my opinion, of course, but it feels right to me.
Frank was the one I was pulling for from the beginning of the season. I absolutely hated to see him leave. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they used his threat to Marcel as the real reason for sending him home, but looked for any possible thing they could find in his cooking as their excuse to send him packing. Then Mike became my favorite, but now he's gone, too. Now I'm afraid to have a favorite because I'm sure I'll jinx him, too.
Hey Redwings_Fan. If you can jinx a chef by hoping they win, can you hope for Ilan or Sam? lol
Holster
January 20, 2007 - 10:24 AM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
WOW Holster. Thank you for that article. VERY IMPRESSIVE of him. One thing I noticed was that he did mention that he did value Elia's opinion but didn't mention how he felt about her now, after her betrayal. Would love to hear that. If I ever got to Vegas, I would definately look him up. The others? Not a chance. Especially Ilan...who wants to shake hands with a chronic masturbator. LMAO Good one Marcel!
My pleasure!
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January 20, 2007 - 10:25 AM
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No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
In my humble opinion a threat is a threat, and Frank threatened Marcel.
WELL STILL THINK FRANK WOULDN'T HAVE GONE MUCH FURTHER
TILL LATER LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
I've disagreed with this before, and I still do. I thought that Frank was a great chef, in that he could think on his feet. If he had had any more time he would have fixed that dish and we would be talking about what he was going to do in Hawaii now.
Just my opinion, of course, but it feels right to me.
Frank was the one I was pulling for from the beginning of the season. I absolutely hated to see him leave. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they used his threat to Marcel as the real reason for sending him home, but looked for any possible thing they could find in his cooking as their excuse to send him packing. Then Mike became my favorite, but now he's gone, too. Now I'm afraid to have a favorite because I'm sure I'll jinx him, too.
Hey Redwings_Fan. If you can jinx a chef by hoping they win, can you hope for Ilan or Sam? lol
No comment! I'm not gonna say who I'd like to win for fear of being drawn and quartered in the town square. LOL
Holster
January 20, 2007 - 10:28 AM
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Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
LOL...weird thing is, most chefs I know smoke. And yet it kills their taste buds...weird.
That is true. Not a chef, but both Hubby and I quit smoking 1 1/2 yrs ago and things that I used to like...yuck! Now I find that there are a lot of things I never liked before that are pretty darn good!
Me too. Quit 4 years asgo. Taste and Smell have completely rebounded.
swiss74
January 20, 2007 - 10:31 AM
Hey Redwings_Fan. If you can jinx a chef by hoping they win, can you hope for Ilan or Sam? lol
Ditto for Marcel and Elia.
ohiotodd
January 20, 2007 - 10:33 AM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
I bet it was domestic Chocolate too, The Fiend!!!!!
LOL.
well we know it was not 'sponsor' chocolate or they would have shown the film of it..they would never miss a product placement shot now would they?
Holster
January 20, 2007 - 10:33 AM
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So I stand by my minor point. But really, I would still point out, that there seems to be a lack of concern about my main point. Which is that, the producers of the show, are really running things. The "judges" are just a red herrings. The producers pick the winner they feel will garner the best ratings. When Tom C. said all of the "assault/prank gang" should be kicked off, and Marcel declared the winner; that should have been it, but it wasn't. The producers had always had a different outcome in mind (I suspect they want Sam, it seems he has been "groomed" for the title in the editing process, in my opinion). This means, the show lacks integrity, and unfortunately means the title of Top Chef, doesn't really mean anything.
(but hey, it's entertaining, and the winner (justified or not) does get 100 grand. So it's not all bad.)
I definitely think you have a valid point Wayne, but I don't think they did it to promote Sam (I AM That Guy), but to prolong the series ....more shows, more profit. I think Tom C was protecting Sam (Should have been booted at the Surfer contest if in fact the judging is not cumulative), but not the producers. But anything at this point could be true. I s still think Marcel would have asked for the show to continue so he can win fair and square.
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Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....
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Marcel interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
WhataJoke
January 20, 2007 - 10:36 AM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
Good interview find!
Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
I bet it was domestic Chocolate too, The Fiend!!!!!
LOL.
well we know it was not 'sponsor' chocolate or they would have shown the film of it..they would never miss a product placement shot now would they?
LOL well to be fair if Cliff had thrown Hershey's at him he'd probably have gotten more stitches than he got from that bottle.
Holster
January 20, 2007 - 10:37 AM
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Yeah, but that mushroom diorama was just plain weird. Cute for his kid, but juat plain weird for TGIF, which is itself a strange thing to say.
ohiotodd
January 20, 2007 - 10:37 AM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
WOW Holster. Thank you for that article. VERY IMPRESSIVE of him. One thing I noticed was that he did mention that he did value Elia's opinion but didn't mention how he felt about her now, after her betrayal. Would love to hear that. If I ever got to Vegas, I would definately look him up. The others? Not a chance. Especially Ilan...who wants to shake hands with a chronic masturbator. LMAO Good one Marcel!
LOL at 'chronic' masturbation..as opposed to 'acute' masturbation? lol? And there is nothing wrong with masturbation..It is sex with someone I love!
WhataJoke
January 20, 2007 - 10:41 AM
Holster despite your numerous attempts MC Foamy isn't getting cannonized anytime soon.
If you think for one second that Marcel wouldn't take the 100 Large if it was given to him you have got to be nuts.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:42 AM
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I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.
Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.
Talk about hyperbole! That was hardly 'backstabbing'..and after reading Marcel's interview I can understand why he said something..even if it was ill advised. Anyway it was hardly 'backstabbing' given that they were on a winning team and Marcel did not even say anything bad about Sam-he was just trying to say something good about himself. And here you are going on and on about people blowing things out of proportion and then you call what Marcel did 'backstabbing'!!! LOL! love it!
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January 20, 2007 - 10:42 AM
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And the proof lies in this:
1) Cliff was taped live Wed night blathering on and on about he treated Marcel as a little brother and that they were friends. And we all know what a crock that was and is. So, why??? Why this lying on Cliff's part?? BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE SERIOUSLY FUKED UP! If it truly was just a prank, just roomates havin a bit of fun, he would be saying so...but he's not.
2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
I would also have to question Bravo's integrity in having CLIFF on to spew a load of butt-covering crap, rather than having Marcel on for the interview. What, exactly, were they afraid Marcel would say? Their credibility goes down even further with that crassly promotional move, IMO.
It was radically obscene to allow Cliff--the actual perpetrator of the assault!--an unopposed opportunity to spin what he did into "hey, I'm a nice guy who got carried away."
Would they have allowed the perpetrator of the assault the same opportunity to to spin what they did if the victim was Elia? Cliff?
Would Andy be trying to, in his blog, spin the assault as a "prank" if the victim was Elia? Cliff?
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January 20, 2007 - 10:42 AM
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I never really had a favorite, last season or this season. Last season most of them seemed equally good, and this season they mostly are equally mediocre. But as Mikey kept slipping through from one round to the other this year, I found myself hoping he would manage to continue skating through somehow even though I knew he wasn't making the kind of food that would win. Mikey made my kind of food... basic stuff that everyone likes.
A breaded beef cutlet, fried and topped with American style Béchamel. Served with whipped potato and braised green green beans.
In other words a chicken fried steak dinner with mashed taters and green beans
daverocks
January 20, 2007 - 10:43 AM
and I know this is late late late, but he did say in that preview that there was no heat under the pan so he thought it'd be okay to move it.
also, he jokes to Ilan...you should have done that for your flambe when he catches a pan on fire. shows ilan looking livid (if it goes with that part) but I thought it was funny. they are always making cracks at him....
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January 20, 2007 - 10:44 AM
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LOL! I think that's exactly why they didn't show it...the sponsor didn't want their product associated with the pathetic losers. "And now let's return to drunken Cliff's pelting of Marcel with Nestle's bittersweet chocolate bars." Would have made the Surreal Life look like Leave It To Beaver. So frickin bizarely lame and hugely funny.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:46 AM
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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
WOW Holster. Thank you for that article. VERY IMPRESSIVE of him. One thing I noticed was that he did mention that he did value Elia's opinion but didn't mention how he felt about her now, after her betrayal. Would love to hear that. If I ever got to Vegas, I would definately look him up. The others? Not a chance. Especially Ilan...who wants to shake hands with a chronic masturbator. LMAO Good one Marcel!
LOL at 'chronic' masturbation..as opposed to 'acute' masturbation? lol? And there is nothing wrong with masturbation..It is sex with someone I love!
One of the funniest remarks all season.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:46 AM
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(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
WOW Holster. Thank you for that article. VERY IMPRESSIVE of him. One thing I noticed was that he did mention that he did value Elia's opinion but didn't mention how he felt about her now, after her betrayal. Would love to hear that. If I ever got to Vegas, I would definately look him up. The others? Not a chance. Especially Ilan...who wants to shake hands with a chronic masturbator. LMAO Good one Marcel!
LOL at 'chronic' masturbation..as opposed to 'acute' masturbation? lol? And there is nothing wrong with masturbation..It is sex with someone I love!
LOL....and you don't have to worry about going out to breakfast, calling the next day, lying about the way the jeans are fitting, or wonder where your hand has been before it was with you. :-)
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January 20, 2007 - 10:48 AM
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If you think for one second that Marcel wouldn't take the 100 Large if it was given to him you have got to be nuts.
He already is. And nothin's gonna stop it. Support for him on the internet is now huge. And that interview wil cement it.
It is what it is.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:48 AM
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So there are what? a handful of us left watching this thing...
Yes, and sadly enough I am one of them. Sigh....
Ditto ;-(
But I only watch the episodes once...I am actually repulsed at the idea of watching them again at this point.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:49 AM
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I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.
Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.
Talk about hyperbole! That was hardly 'backstabbing'..and after reading Marcel's interview I can understand why he said something..even if it was ill advised. Anyway it was hardly 'backstabbing' given that they were on a winning team and Marcel did not even say anything bad about Sam-he was just trying to say something good about himself. And here you are going on and on about people blowing things out of proportion and then you call what Marcel did 'backstabbing'!!! LOL! love it!
Perfectly said.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:51 AM
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I suppose it's not intended, but it shor ees funny!
it'd be really funny if he shaved his head! sorta like, and there you go. I was watching last season a few days ago and sitting fuming over Dave's going home in vegas and her taking credit for his fab dessert but was like, now this kind of drama, I can handle! haha. it was so much more innocent. I think that it was all engineered by Bravo to make everyone more accepting of Tiff so they can bring her out like DAve and LeAnne. anyone noticed, she is the only one of the last four who has nothing to do with bravo? I wonder if is her or them?
here's another wild conspiracy theory. I wonder if the winner will offer Marcel the money in apology? that'd be crazy. I mean, I agree, they should have sent them all home. but I don't think they should have declared Marcel winner by default. but perhaps offered him the money and gave no one the title? I guess they couldn't do that though. his food just hasn't been that great. he's been in the middle mostly and a few times on the bottom of the pile.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:51 AM
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I think we are starting to loose site of the most important thing we have learned about this show and the people who run it. The assault/prank gone wrong (or however you characterize it) proved that the majority of contestants on this season's show lack any real moral fiber (with the exception of Marcel). But more importantly it proved that the judges do not really pick the winners. The producers of the show pic the person they want to win, and then orchestrate the show around that choice. This sad bit of information is now proven fact. Tom wanted to kick all of the contestants off the show and declare Marcel the winner. The producers said no. So, it is not a fair competiton, probably never has been. Anyone who believes otherwise, just got taken for a fool.
Marcel didn't exaclty smother himself in the foam of integrity when he backstabbed Sam at the judging table after agreeing that he was infact the leader of the holiday challange.
Talk about hyperbole! That was hardly 'backstabbing'..and after reading Marcel's interview I can understand why he said something..even if it was ill advised. Anyway it was hardly 'backstabbing' given that they were on a winning team and Marcel did not even say anything bad about Sam-he was just trying to say something good about himself. And here you are going on and on about people blowing things out of proportion and then you call what Marcel did 'backstabbing'!!! LOL! love it!
I'm not blowing anything out of proportion. That challange had winning leader wins challange, losing leader goes home written all over it. If Marcel wanted the credit then step forward and lead. And in reality Sam had to lead because it was the only way to diffuse the Betty/Foamy feud.
Would Marcel have stepped forward and claimed responsiblity for all his work if it had not been well recieved and they were on the chopping block. No Way. It was simply a weasely and opportunistic attempt to grab attention for himself while undercutting Sam.
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 10:53 AM
[No, Frank wasn't sent home immediately, but he was gone in the next episode where, clearly, it was Sam who deserved to go strictly based on the surfer's poll. Sam did not even attempt to fix his dish while Frank did. Also Frank's strawberry/waffle dessert was well-received by both surfers and judges alike. Cliff was also a candidate for elimination while having the only dish with sand in it making it inedible. I think there were mitigating circumstances in that Frank's $300 sunglasses were actually broken (Marcel admitted it but blamed it on a PA stepping on them) plus in his threat to Marcel he said "IF you ever touch my personal things again..." which was a strong way of saying "Don't do it again."
In my humble opinion a threat is a threat, and Frank threatened Marcel.
WELL STILL THINK FRANK WOULDN'T HAVE GONE MUCH FURTHER
TILL LATER LOL
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
I've disagreed with this before, and I still do. I thought that Frank was a great chef, in that he could think on his feet. If he had had any more time he would have fixed that dish and we would be talking about what he was going to do in Hawaii now.
Just my opinion, of course, but it feels right to me.
Frank was the one I was pulling for from the beginning of the season. I absolutely hated to see him leave. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they used his threat to Marcel as the real reason for sending him home, but looked for any possible thing they could find in his cooking as their excuse to send him packing. Then Mike became my favorite, but now he's gone, too. Now I'm afraid to have a favorite because I'm sure I'll jinx him, too.
Hey Redwings_Fan. If you can jinx a chef by hoping they win, can you hope for Ilan or Sam? lol
No comment! I'm not gonna say who I'd like to win for fear of being drawn and quartered in the town square. LOL
LMAO. You have a point there Redwings...all I can say is....CHICKEN!! LOL
WhataJoke
January 20, 2007 - 10:54 AM
Thats probably because Cliff is a decent person who made a poor decision. And he has Apologised for it again and again.
Unlike yourself Amazon, not even a fake apology from you after calling me a liar. What a utter fraud you are.
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And the proof lies in this:
1) Cliff was taped live Wed night blathering on and on about he treated Marcel as a little brother and that they were friends. And we all know what a crock that was and is. So, why??? Why this lying on Cliff's part?? BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE SERIOUSLY FUKED UP! If it truly was just a prank, just roomates havin a bit of fun, he would be saying so...but he's not.
2) Bravo intentionally re-edited the sequence of events to minimize the conspiratorial and assaultive nature of the whole evening. Why? When someone is lying or hiding, they are already admitting their guilt.
This episode stinks for a reason...someone pushed the garbage under the rug. And they are praying that enough "do nothings" dismiss at as a prank.
I would also have to question Bravo's integrity in having CLIFF on to spew a load of butt-covering crap, rather than having Marcel on for the interview. What, exactly, were they afraid Marcel would say? Their credibility goes down even further with that crassly promotional move, IMO.
It was radically obscene to allow Cliff--the actual perpetrator of the assault!--an unopposed opportunity to spin what he did into "hey, I'm a nice guy who got carried away."
Would they have allowed the perpetrator of the assault the same opportunity to to spin what they did if the victim was Elia? Cliff?
Would Andy be trying to, in his blog, spin the assault as a "prank" if the victim was Elia? Cliff?
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January 20, 2007 - 10:54 AM
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...I understand that you think that our reaction makes light of real assaults, but that is entirely not the case. What happened to Marcel is unacceptable behavior and the kind of assaults you describe are also unacceptable. What I have a problem with is that you said:
"There was no danger"
We all saw Cliff hold Marcel down by his neck. That could easily turn into a very serious injury. Like some hockey player got punched in the neck and now he's paralyzed. Yes, Cliff did not go into this planning to hurt Marcel but it could happen. The fact that nothing more serious than rug burn and bruises happened does not change its unacceptability.
The intent to pull a mean "prank" also does not change.
People seem to take offense to it but this incident fulfills all the legal elements of battery:
intentional harmful or offensive contact of another's person.
The circumstances and consequences change the $ damages. Although you think this was a trivial thing compared to many crimes out there, we should want to deter people from doing this in the future. It is not acceptable.[/quote}
Yet the TC judges/producers rewarded the behavior by sending everybody involved, except for Cliff, to Hawaii. How's that for endorsing "assaulting a sleeping colleague" as one of the qualities necessary to be a top chef?
And even though they sent Cliff home, they rewarded him for his assault by giving him unopposed free air time in which to spin what he did.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:55 AM
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Marcel if you see this...STOP SMOKING DAMMIT!
This was interesting..
"Exactly! I broke free and told them to get away from me. I went into my room and tried to take a nap, and Cliff follows me in there and starts hurling chocolate bars at me! I then had to go to another room and lock the door..."
^^^Good Lord Cliff was throwing chocolate bars at him after assaulting him? Jesus!
Go Marcel!!!!!!!
LOL...weird thing is, most chefs I know smoke. And yet it kills their taste buds...weird.
That is true. Not a chef, but both Hubby and I quit smoking 1 1/2 yrs ago and things that I used to like...yuck! Now I find that there are a lot of things I never liked before that are pretty darn good!
Me too. Quit 4 years asgo. Taste and Smell have completely rebounded.
Just curious...do you still want one sometimes? I know there are times I am glad there are none in my house or I would be puff, puff, puffin' away!! LOL
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January 20, 2007 - 10:55 AM
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Frank was the one I was pulling for from the beginning of the season. I absolutely hated to see him leave. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they used his threat to Marcel as the real reason for sending him home, but looked for any possible thing they could find in his cooking as their excuse to send him packing. Then Mike became my favorite, but now he's gone, too. Now I'm afraid to have a favorite because I'm sure I'll jinx him, too.
I never really had a favorite, last season or this season. Last season most of them seemed equally good, and this season they mostly are equally mediocre. But as Mikey kept slipping through from one round to the other this year, I found myself hoping he would manage to continue skating through somehow even though I knew he wasn't making the kind of food that would win. Mikey made my kind of food... basic stuff that everyone likes.
A breaded beef cutlet, fried and topped with American style Béchamel. Served with whipped potato and braised green green beans.
In other words a chicken fried steak dinner with mashed taters and green beans
Same here, Sooners. I'd like to see them whip up a bunch of hotwings...the kind you order in a sports bar, not the kind you'd find in a cafe in some part of France that we can't even find on a map. Hotwings, fries, celery, and ranch...that's what makes me a happy girl. :-)
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January 20, 2007 - 10:55 AM
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LOL! I think that's exactly why they didn't show it...the sponsor didn't want their product associated with the pathetic losers. "And now let's return to drunken Cliff's pelting of Marcel with Nestle's bittersweet chocolate bars." Would have made the Surreal Life look like Leave It To Beaver. So frickin bizarely lame and hugely funny.
LOL you don't watch too much reality TV do you?
SoonersRock
January 20, 2007 - 10:57 AM
Whan Marcel thought he knew how to prepare a fish better than Frank, and then said so to the camera, I immediately hated him. According to the other chefs that's the kind of thing he does all the time, so it's easy to see why they all hate him.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:57 AM
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If you think for one second that Marcel wouldn't take the 100 Large if it was given to him you have got to be nuts.
He already is. And nothin's gonna stop it. Support for him on the internet is now huge. And that interview wil cement it.
It is what it is.
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Marcel interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
LOL it certainly was evident at that bar in las vegas wasn't it ? Sorry not buying it.
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January 20, 2007 - 10:57 AM
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There's about as much chance at that happening as there is for Betty to be asked to pose for Playboy. Given the brat pack's nasty greedy and deceptive past, the chances are beyond slim. Given Sam's begging for fan favorite votes because he's out of a job and "needs the cash" gives us some sense of their character.
But I don't think he'll need it nor would he accept it...he'll win all on his own with brilliant cooking.
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Hi JustMe,
What can you tell us about Top Chef in Hawaii?
Was there a lot of local press? Did the judges do any press
conferences? Do you know which Island
they stayed at? I'm guessing the Big Island?
Fill us in...
gave my regards to Dog Chapman... that's one cool dude.
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SORRY TO SAY S PUPPET IT WAS ON THE OUTER ISLAND
AND I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THE PRODUCTION TILL IT AIRED
MAYBE AMAZON WOULD BE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO FILL US ALL IN A BIT
AS I THINK IT WAS HER THAT SAID SHE HAD A NIECE THERE
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
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It's my daughter who lives on the Big Island. She didn't mention anything about it, but then she's gorgeous so she doesn't have time to sit at home watching TV.
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Ditto for Marcel and Elia.
LMAO Guess that leaves the janitor!
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I vote for "demented."
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Yes, and sadly enough I am one of them. Sigh....
Ditto ;-(
But I only watch the episodes once...I am actually repulsed at the idea of watching them again at this point.
Based on your factual recollection you better make it twice.
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Gonna go for now have fun everyone....later
Happy Birthday Actor!! Have fun!!
Another Capricorn? Too cool.
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January 20, 2007 - 11:03 AM
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OUTSTANDING inteview with Marcel ...
(too bad he smokes!..but so many chefs do, weirdly)
You'll love it...of course the Marcel-haters will do a Betty but this is the real deal...
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html
WOW Holster. Thank you for that article. VERY IMPRESSIVE of him. One thing I noticed was that he did mention that he did value Elia's opinion but didn't mention how he felt about her now, after her betrayal. Would love to hear that. If I ever got to Vegas, I would definately look him up. The others? Not a chance. Especially Ilan...who wants to shake hands with a chronic masturbator. LMAO Good one Marcel!
LOL at 'chronic' masturbation..as opposed to 'acute' masturbation? lol? And there is nothing wrong with masturbation..It is sex with someone I love!
That is what I like...a person who feels themselves good, er ah I mean feels good about themselvs..lol
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Strangely, almost never. And I LOVED LOVED LOVED smoking...2 packs a day for years. But I'm healthier now than I have ever been, my house and clothes no longer smell like [censored], I'm not making decisions based on where I can smoke and not wasting a boat load of money. Only once in a blue moon when I'm very stressed in the middle of a crerative project, the thought occurs to me, but it fades pretty quickly. Wish I had never started at the age of 12. I feel sorry for any kid who starts that young..it really becomes a prison of sorts.