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January 20, 2007 - 03:13 PM
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Just watermelon and blue cheese, right? LOL.
YUCK... I haven't tried that one either
What the hell was he thinking?
I have eaten apples with ementhaller and that is very good. I have eaten brie with apples and oranges and that is good. I have the gargonzola and going to put it with the watermellon to see what it tastes like, but don't think I will stick it under a broiler.
Amazon
January 20, 2007 - 03:14 PM
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Creating a hostile workplace is.
What is that old saying about heat and kitchens?
That really has nothing to do with the modern work environment.
ohiotodd
January 20, 2007 - 03:16 PM
Well everyone the burgers are late cause Cliff is stuffing Marcel in the deep fryer and Elia is having another 'collapse' and is covering herself in oreo crumbs and lemon filling. Anyone want to go over to Lalalina and throw olive pits at Ilan???
Amazon
January 20, 2007 - 03:19 PM
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Did it ever occur to you that Marcel may be minimizing this to save face? After all, it was his masculinity (so to speak) on the line against Cliffs.
Let me 'splain...
no, that would take too long...
Let me sum it up (<-- anybody who gets that movie reference wins cool points)
I don't know what it's like to be a dude, but I would imagine that any assault may be minimized & played off as rough-housing in order to save face.
Yikes! Dont you think you do a great disservice to Marcel by saying that? You are either saying he is weak, I do not believe he is, or that he is a liar.
Marcel seems far less upset over this then his fans.
Inigo Montoya agrees with me.
brillke
No no no, not AT ALL. You've taken what I've said here out of context. I don't see Marcel as weak at all. I was just saying that pretty much in our society it is seen as normal masculine behavior for guys to wrestle each other down, and that any guy who might oppose such behavior may be seen as a wuss. Let me be clear, I think this was an assault & that it wasn't like two 5 yr old boys rough housing. But that if Marcel had screamed "Assault" then people may be seeing him as wimpy.
Guess you just need to be in my brain to understand, because I don't really know how to 'splain it any better. Lacking on my communication skills today.
You have scored a kajillion cool points for getting my Inigo reference. lol
I remembered it as "Indigo Montoya." Patikin had that funny accent...
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January 20, 2007 - 03:21 PM
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I disagree. Take Marcel's dish...the one Tom ranked as the wordt. If the clasms were not luke warm, it could have been entirely different. Preparation can mean everything, esp in desserts....as almost all the chefs have experienced. Recipes are like boxes of paints...turning them into art is all about the how.
You're right Holister... execution of the recipe is at least 25% of it. But we didn't all just fall off the turnip truck yesterday ya know?
I think I can execute a recipe in a passable manner
I have a little bit of experience and a well equiped kitchen.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:21 PM
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Having tried 95 percent of the recipes from the program, I feel I could comment on their food. Am I wrong?
I'd say yes. I've given out plenty of recipes in my day, and the results from different chefs are never the same.
Yes that is true, but bad is bad no matter who makes it, and good is good no matter who makes it. Minor differences usually depend on outside influences, temp., gas v electric, age of spices, quality of main item, and also the greatest one of all, the variables of the human who makes it. Kind of like medicine the human is the last variable as to whether a prescription drug or any OTC works with maximum efficiency or not.
I disagree. Take Marcel's dish...the one Tom ranked as the wordt. If the clasms were not luke warm, it could have been entirely different. Preparation can mean everything, esp in desserts....as almost all the chefs have experienced. Recipes are like boxes of paints...turning them into art is all about the how.
I see what you are saying, Marcels error in the temperature of the clams, I contributed to human error, he should have known better as a master cook. I tried that recipe and when the clams were warm it was good except for the clams, when I kept the clams cold it was great. Preparation of deserts requires a good hand, I totally agree.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:21 PM
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My favorite is still Ilan and while I doubt he'll win the honor of Top Chef, I am still pulling for him. He is the most interesting chef and seems to have the most potential. And by the way, he looked totally HOT with his shaved head.
Umm... YUCK!!
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January 20, 2007 - 03:23 PM
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I said this earlier but here it goes again, I thought that Cliff was going to seriously unzip his pants & go to town on poor Marcel. I can only imagine what was going through Marcel's mind. I most likely would've pissed my pants given those type of circumstances.
Okay, notwithstanding your self-identified fascination with male rape, this nonsense has gotten way out of hand. After viewing the episode a second time, some of you here forget that it is REALITY TV not reality. Those of you who compare the incident to rape do to a disservice to the legitimate victims of sexual assault. To compare that to what happened to Marcel makes me nauseated.
As others have pointed out, no "big black stranger" awakened Marcel in the safety of his home. He was on REALITY TV and undoubtedly in that release he signed when he agreed to appear on the show he gave up any rights to the expectation of privacy so we can dispense with that canard. Moreover, if Mike were still on the show and he did whtat Cliff did would there be the same harping on his "size" and the threat of "rape?" I don't think so and only a moron would not know why.
Finally, since so many people here seem to be lawyers, next time you post please list your bar number because you do not have any concept of the law. Did Cliff attempt to commit a violent injury to Marcel? Only a blind man would say yes. Since Cliff is so "huge" there would have been ample evidence of this after the "attempted rape." Even though Marcel claims he had injuries, the producers of this exploitation, er, I mean reality show don't let us see any of them. Did Cliff touch Marcel when he shouldn't have? Yes, which is probably battery in California. But the circumstances surrounding that battery do not equal RAPE or ATTEMPTED RAPE even if some here want to portray Cliff as a huge violent black potential sexual predator.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:23 PM
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Well everyone the burgers are late cause Cliff is stuffing Marcel in the deep fryer and Elia is having another 'collapse' and is covering herself in oreo crumbs and lemon filling. Anyone want to go over to Lalalina and throw olive pits at Ilan???
EW. But you do crack me up.
I want to whip up a batch of Elia's Chocolate mousse and park myself in front of a good ol movie.
But it wiil have to wait...off to an engagement party, where hopefully there is some chocolate.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:24 PM
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Something about those cameras had me confused, so i called a buddy of mine that works on a film crew for a production company in NYC, and asked him about the viewfinders/displays on those things. According to him, if it showed a date format ( __/__/___ ) and the REC, then it should also have a RED FLASHING LIGHT (or the REC should be flashing as it records as a sign that "all is well/in working order"). He also said that the DATE would show THE DATE, and not be blank. The ONLY way it would be blank would be if the camera had no battery in it EVER, and it was reset to zero because of it. How many production crews do you know that keep handy "dead cameras"?
I think it was ALL planned. And it wasn't a "dark room". The room was extremely well-lit. If it WASN'T planned, then Ilan and Elia and Cliff should forget about cooking, and get into filming/production work, because they'd make a mint! The Blair Witch Project had NOTHING over what these three whackaloons pulled off with only a single camera.
I *DO* think that Elia and Ilan should have been sent home as well. This was "their game", so fine. Pay the piper.
KINJIRU
I was thinking the same thing about the camera. I've use a small hand held digi like most of us have. And also a "prosumer" camera that's pictured in the bathroom scene. Something about it just isn't right...which again..is why I dont' hold what we were shown as cannon to what actually happened and when it happened.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:27 PM
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This was a lighted room, with a production crew (what did bravo just take the night off???)
Have you forgotten that the chefs borrowed the camera from the production crew?
and we are to beleive that bravo wasn't taping anything that night because the kids borrowed a camera? I dont' think so....
I aso question why the camera crew wasn't there that night--the last night before the contestants go home? It would seem to me that there might be more drama on that night. So where was the camera crew?
Also, the little hand-held Ilan used (supposedly borrowed from the camera crew) isn't the size of the ones I've seen in videoclips of the show. The cameras usually used might not be user-friendly to someone who hasn't used one of that caliber. So where did the little, user-friendly one come from? And why did the camera crew have it--if, indeed, that is what actually happened.
The producer answered this in her blog. They asked for a camera and were given one. Production thought what ever they filmed would be good filler or bonus video. They did not know what they would shoot and did not know they would do this.
I don't much trust producers' accounts of something they may share liability for, especially since the producter's blog called what happened to Marcel a "compelling story."
Why weren't the camera crew there filming? The last night before they go home and the camera crew, who has been omnipresent throughout the show, are suddenly not there?
Also, as pointed out by another poster, there was another camera there recording what was going on...they recorded Sam using the camcorder while Ilan shaved his head.
And the hairclippers--did those come from production too?
Holster
January 20, 2007 - 03:29 PM
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I disagree. Take Marcel's dish...the one Tom ranked as the wordt. If the clasms were not luke warm, it could have been entirely different. Preparation can mean everything, esp in desserts....as almost all the chefs have experienced. Recipes are like boxes of paints...turning them into art is all about the how.
You're right Holister... execution of the recipe is at least 25% of it. But we didn't all just fall off the turnip truck yesterday ya know?
I think I can execute a recipe in a passable manner
I have a little bit of experience and a well equiped kitchen.
Sooner...no disrespect of your talents. I'm just sayin I've seem a lot of people screw upo a lot of recipes in my day...and some who have improved them. I just think to compare the food actually made with our own attempts is inherently flawed. We'll never know what went into the judge's mouths (ok, knock it of in the back row!) Even when eating in a restaurant, 4 of us can order the same dish and one is off.
Just unfair I think to presume.
Don;t you remember when Cliff won the QF challenge and Elia said "EEEt was DEEESgustEEEng! I spEET it out of my mouth!"
Well, in Michael's interview at chowhoud.com, he said ALL the chefs spit it out of their mouths. And yet, Tom C loved it.
Go figure.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:33 PM
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I don't think a producer lying about something that happened on the show, especially where the show in question has had liability-potential events occur, is going to damage their career. I think they will end up enhancing their career potential.
Also, isn't it interesting that Marcel finally sought sanctuary in the bathroom? I assumed it was because it is the only room with a lock on it, and the torment was continuing by Sam/Ilan/Cliff, with Elia either standing by mutely or laughing her *ss off.
But if it is also the only place where filming is allowed, that adds another reason.
I don't think that they (production) lied about not being there as well. Think about it, there were five people who were there who could publicly refute that lie.
That's assuming that there isn't something in the contracts they signed that forbids them talking about productions' actions or interventions.
I've wondered if production overruled Tom C's intent to send everyone but Marcel home and make Marcel the default winner because production WAS involved at least peripherally by the assault, and they needed to buy off the Assault Brigade with a little quid pro quo...their silence for Hawaii.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:33 PM
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The producer answered this in her blog. They asked for a camera and were given one. Production thought what ever they filmed would be good filler or bonus video. They did not know what they would shoot and did not know they would do this.
No she didn't annswer that...she just said they gave them a camera...and possibly use it as filler, bonus video. No reason as to why they didn't use any production film from that night......
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 03:34 PM
And again you misrepresent me. You like doing that, or is it an accident?
At this moment, I'm choosing to believe that Tom is Honest. Given that, I know if I was talked into changing my mind on a decision due to being "Misinformed", I would do everything in my power to fix it. Yes, even if it stripped one winner over another. His name and rep are attached to the show, I'm sure he doesn't want to be remembered as someone easily dupable, or a person afraid to correct a wrong once he knows of it.
I mean seriously, If Sam "WON", he'd only be stripped of the win if the true order of events showed he should have been dq'ed before the final. If he wasn't to be dq'ed, no change in his win. Same for any of the others.
Are the words too big for you to understand?
Simple.
Let's assume Tom is both truthful in what he's said so far in the matter AND a standup person. The fact that SOMEONE lied to him about the sequencing, and therefore the nature of what happened to Marcel, may well indeed make a standup honest person rethink a decision and act accordingly. Notice I did not say that action would be to give the win to Marcel.
If Tom knows the real deal and is playing along with production and the story to do...well something I guess, then nothing will change.
I've never been a Marcel Fan, but I'm not a hater either. I think he should have to compete against the last 3 standing chefs that were not breaking contest rules in a way to get them DQ'ed. That would be fair, both by my understanding of the rules they agree to and by (I hope) society values that ganging up on people does not earn you a reward. That behavior would get them dq'ed from any smart kitchen in the world.
OK Cassie, I'm going to back you on this for one reason. I do understand the point you are trying to make. Tom may HAVE told them that either Marcel wins or you can all kiss my rump roast good bye, IF he found out before the prize was awarded about being duped by the producers. It is his name on the show and his reputation somewhat at stake. However, that is something we will probably never know, because even if Marcel wins, whether it be for his cooking or for the verbal/physical abuse he took (that was NOT "brothers" wrestling around!) I am sure that even IF they agreed to make sure that Marcel won, there would be all kinds of contractual agreements that they would NEVER talk about it. However, if Tom does not find out until AFTER the Hawaii challenge, there is nothing he can do except refuse to be associated with the show again. Pretty sure he would have no grounds for taking the prize back. Any help?? (O:
swiss74
January 20, 2007 - 03:35 PM
And the hairclippers--did those come from production too?
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I wondered about that also, where did the clippers come from and then I remembered...I have seen, coffee pots, hair driers, and hair clippers in hotel rooms for the use of the visitor. I have a feeling they may have been Cliff's hairclippers because his hair is so short. Probably has one of those removable attachments that lets you cut the hair just so far from the scalp. Heck who knows, and who really cares, they were there.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:35 PM
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Good point about Mr. Mohawk. I think that guy would say anything to trash someone.
I see your point but let me answer this as you might:
Was your head so far up your arse that you didn't see the rare chix and then send it back..Whadjya eat it for in the first place stoonad....lol
LOL good question. It was Chicken Lo Mein. Most of the chicken was bite sized and I never bothered to cut into it or check it till we looked at the left overs after we got back from El Hospital. And trust me if my head was up my ass at the time it was quickly and violently extracated by Uncle Sal.
Oh silly.....That wasn't raw chix..That was raw cat.
It'll do it evey time....lolololol
YIKES KRISTI
WHERES MC AND MEI MEI???????
TAKE CARE OVER THERE
ALOHA
HAVE FUN
I'm still here though haven't spent much time on the puter lately... too painful to sit. Some motherf*cker woke me up from a sound sleep, drug me to the floor, put me in a half-nelson, and chopped my tail off! Ran out the door giggling and muttering something about chicken lo-mein! FREAK!!!
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January 20, 2007 - 03:39 PM
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...He's not threatening in any way.....if he was rude and disrespectful...then tell him and ignore him....Cliff has apologized and he was drunk...Peeps can get very mean whenst drunk.We have to accept that at face value....If he means it or not.He did take it like a man.In Cliff's world as a rough and tumble guy ..this may be how they do play jokes on each other.....Cliff was not on the alliance. Not condoning just tryng to understand.
Alcohol doesn't turn someone into an *sshole. Alcohol doesn't make someone, who doesn't already have the moral character to do so, sneak up on a sleeping colleague and assault him. It's already there, simply masked by a facade.
The only "face value" we have to take it at is the apparent "face value"--here's a guy who is willing to assault someone much smaller than him, after attacking his victim when he was the most vulnerable...when sleeping.
Regarding on what kind of "world" Cliff lives in, if he is top chef material he damn well knows that you cannot assault a colleague. Even if he is so socipathic that he doesn't think there is anything wrong with it, he must know that if he does it he (and the restaurant for which he works) will be in a whole world of legal hurt.
I think Sam, Ilan and Elia played Cliff like a $2 banjo. I think they had all agreed to get Cliff sent home, and that is why, once Cliff got Marcel down on the ground, no one came in to do what they apparently had promised to do--their end of the assault, shaving Marcel.
By the way---where did they get the clippers used to shave their heads? Supposedly all they can bring in are personal grooming aids. Who uses professional-style hair-clippers, designed to take off a lot of hair at a time, in their personal grooming kit?
The clippers were likely Cliff's. It's how he maintained his bald head.
Really? I thought clippers were for longer hair. I've only known two men who chose bald, and both used razors.
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 03:41 PM
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and JUSTMEAOD is there a reason why you type in all caps with spaces inbetween every sentence? all caps is yelling and sometimes your posts break the borders and makes all the following posts spill out into the advertisments on the side. sometimes you even have an entire page dedicated to your posts because you quote so many single posts in a row. i really wish there was an ignore feature..
I give up. I'm going to shave my head and join a convent.
Good Lord, me too! Which convent are you going to join? I'm looking for one in Vegas...love to gamble!
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January 20, 2007 - 03:42 PM
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The clippers were likely Cliff's. It's how he maintained his bald head.
Really? I thought clippers were for longer hair. I've only known two men who chose bald, and both used razors.
Nope. I use clippers every other day. Hate using a razor on my beautiful bald head.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:45 PM
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I said this earlier but here it goes again, I thought that Cliff was going to seriously unzip his pants & go to town on poor Marcel. I can only imagine what was going through Marcel's mind. I most likely would've pissed my pants given those type of circumstances.
Okay, notwithstanding your self-identified fascination with male rape, this nonsense has gotten way out of hand. After viewing the episode a second time, some of you here forget that it is REALITY TV not reality. Those of you who compare the incident to rape do to a disservice to the legitimate victims of sexual assault. To compare that to what happened to Marcel makes me nauseated.
As others have pointed out, no "big black stranger" awakened Marcel in the safety of his home. He was on REALITY TV and undoubtedly in that release he signed when he agreed to appear on the show he gave up any rights to the expectation of privacy so we can dispense with that canard. Moreover, if Mike were still on the show and he did whtat Cliff did would there be the same harping on his "size" and the threat of "rape?" I don't think so and only a moron would not know why.
Finally, since so many people here seem to be lawyers, next time you post please list your bar number because you do not have any concept of the law. Did Cliff attempt to commit a violent injury to Marcel? Only a blind man would say yes. Since Cliff is so "huge" there would have been ample evidence of this after the "attempted rape." Even though Marcel claims he had injuries, the producers of this exploitation, er, I mean reality show don't let us see any of them. Did Cliff touch Marcel when he shouldn't have? Yes, which is probably battery in California. But the circumstances surrounding that battery do not equal RAPE or ATTEMPTED RAPE even if some here want to portray Cliff as a huge violent black potential sexual predator.
Ooooh brother *supreme rolly eyes* Relax... take a chill pill. It was said half in jest. However, I do think it's hilarious how you had to quote your little speech 4x. Good job buddy =D
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January 20, 2007 - 03:46 PM
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After the producers blog called what happened to Marcel a "compelling story," I don't trust anything they say because they do not think like normal people.
You're a strange person Amazon. Lot's of stories that are not particularly pleasant are "compelling". Jesus built a 2,000 year career on one.
Didn't you know, Sooner? It's all fair game when you're bucking for the "Magdalene Of The Year" award. I think Marcel's got that one in the bag, but I guess you can't blame someone for trying.
I thought it was in very poor taste for a producer of TC to call the assault on Marcel "a compelling story." It occurred under their watch, for pete's sake, recorded with a camera they gave to the Assault Brigade.
I think it shows a kind of disconnect from the reality most normal people would experience if they were in the producers' shoes at this point.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:47 PM
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"Alcohol doesn't turn someone into an *sshole."
Maybe not but it looks like posting on a reality tv message board can.
brillke
Think so? I think it's preexisting in that situation, as well.
swiss74
January 20, 2007 - 03:48 PM
Sooner...no disrespect of your talents. I'm just sayin I've seem a lot of people screw upo a lot of recipes in my day...and some who have improved them. I just think to compare the food actually made with our own attempts is inherently flawed. We'll never know what went into the judge's mouths (ok, knock it of in the back row!) Even when eating in a restaurant, 4 of us can order the same dish and one is off.
Just unfair I think to presume.
I agree with what you are saying. Yes three out of four could be good while the fourth could be off. All I can say in my defense (not the right word) is I am a chemist by profession and if we screw up measurements, something goes kaboom or someone dies. When I do a recipe for the first and second time I am like Bull Dog Dummond in my method of following the recipe. Third time I add my own flair to it. Now that does not account for the differences in the spice brands they use and what I use. All I can say is I can usually tell if it is a good recipe or whether is is something that is really not good. (Oh I try to use fresh spices I have grown other times I use what comes in a bottle. Usually means my green thumb went haywire.)
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January 20, 2007 - 03:50 PM
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After the producers blog called what happened to Marcel a "compelling story," I don't trust anything they say because they do not think like normal people.
You're a strange person Amazon. Lot's of stories that are not particularly pleasant are "compelling". Jesus built a 2,000 year career on one.
Didn't you know, Sooner? It's all fair game when you're bucking for the "Magdalene Of The Year" award. I think Marcel's got that one in the bag, but I guess you can't blame someone for trying.
I thought it was in very poor taste for a producer of TC to call the assault on Marcel "a compelling story." It occurred under their watch, for pete's sake, recorded with a camera they gave to the Assault Brigade.
I think it shows a kind of disconnect from the reality most normal people would experience if they were in the producers' shoes at this point.
Technically, it's not inaccurate:
com·pel·ling, adj.
1. Urgently requiring attention.
2. Drivingly forceful.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:55 PM
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What's wrong with being a cross-dresser?
Well for starters it's really hard to find nice shoes in a 16 extra wide.
LOL!
Ugly shoes, yes, but nice, not so much.
LOL!
From experience...really tall women often have really big feet. I do. Usually, if you wear above a size 11, you have to order from catalogues, and let me tell you they are ugly old granny shoes mostly.
UNLESS you live in a cool, big city that has a thriving gay population. San Francisco and New Orleans were my favorite to shop in back when I was still wearing 4" heels.
In both San Francisco and New Orleans, there were usually only one or two places where you can get stylish shoes in large sizes for women, but at least you have a choice and can go to an actual store and try them on first. And you can get really high heels!
I think men with large feet have a harder time than women do, actually. My brother, at age 15, wore a size 15. He basically got his shoes at Redwing, and they aren't noted for their cutting-edge shoe design.
Holster
January 20, 2007 - 03:57 PM
Someone on TWOP has said that BRAVO has terminated commentary on the blogs and are filtering out any questions about the editting of the assault on Marcel. Don't know if it's true, but some have suspect they may be trying to lessen Elia' srole because she won against Marcel, and they want to have a sympathetric winner.
Have no idea if this is true, but it makes for good obsessing.
http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/ar...ncident_editingNOw, I must be off to that potential chocolate.
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January 20, 2007 - 03:58 PM
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Unless one is a "chronic masturbator."
Now don't go knocking my hobbies
Now, now, Sooner, that wasn't a dig at you. Where's all those pre Old Testament "crap" gods we gave away when you need 'em--Jeff, The God of Biscuits; Dennis, the God Of Hair-dos ... hell, I'd even take The Emperor Fabulous and Really Interesting Guy right about now.
All this bickering over a little old TV show, and people engaging in the very "bullying" behaviors they claim to abhor and comdemn - I so need an Eddie Izzard fix!
Well doesn't that go both ways? Aren't waJOKE, sooner, Kin(whatever), and the rest of the lot trying to "bully" everyone who is a Marcel fan to back down off this board so they can continue their stupid Marcel bashing, which frankly makes them all look like bravos minions, the "covens" friends, or the attackers themselves?
Youd think we could agree to disagree, wouldnt ya? Go back and look at who is doing the most bashing. It aint the non Marcel fans doing the most, I assure you. Amazon has made it an art form to bash, even if she is dead wrong and proven to be so, yet continue on as if she is that God Warrior from Trading Spouses or whatever it was called.
brillke
My, you're in fine form today. Still protecting your favorites and sniping at those who don't worship you. Quite the blog author, aren't you? Very professional.
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January 20, 2007 - 04:02 PM
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Very impressive Holster!! I know my sister quit this last year too, but that was after seeing our brother pack his oxygen around, unable to walk 10 ft without stopping...hey, whatever it takes! Funny thing, that idiot is still sneaking smokes...hope he doesn't blow up his neighborhood!
Yep. I was a Jesuit for 5 years and wgen visiting some of the older priests, one had already had throat and lung surgery for cancer and brearthed through a hole in his chest...and would smoke through that hole. Those damned things are so horribly addictive to some people....I always envied those who could have one cig a day and no more....Ugh! it's like people who can live at Dunkin Donuts and never gain a pound...you know, those "high metabolism" types. Damn them!
Boy Holster, you sure have led an interesting life. It always amazed me too when someone could just have one, ANYTHING! Used to work with a guy who would eat 1 sunflower seed! Heck, those things are like potato chips. I think with him is was a self disapline thing. Not me, have a VERY addictive personality, and because I know that, try to be careful any more about what I do. (Can't imagine smoking through a hole in my chest...now THAT took real dedication to a bad habit!)
Me too. That's why my fridge and freezer is always empty...box of chocolates...GONE! Quart of ice cream ...gone! I have to eat everything in the house becasue I have no will power over foods I like. I think it's the ADD thing , but I can't take Ritalin 24/7. And as soon as it wears off, I'm deep into a bag of potato chops til they are gone. LOL.
Sounds just like me. I always tell my hubby, who can eat 2 cookies, and I feel the need to empty the bag, that we can NOT have that kind of stuff in the house..LOOK Candy bars, BIG WEAKNESS!! lol
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January 20, 2007 - 04:05 PM
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Youd think we could agree to disagree, wouldnt ya? Go back and look at who is doing the most bashing. It aint the non Marcel fans doing the most, I assure you. Amazon has made it an art form to bash, even if she is dead wrong and proven to be so, yet continue on as if she is that God Warrior from Trading Spouses or whatever it was called.
It's only natural that X percent of people are going to pull for Marcel because he is most decidedly they underdog. That's completely understandable. But some of these folks cross the line of sanity into Conspiracy City.
People who poo-poo conspiracy theories are often the ones who benefit most from trying to deny a conspiracy exists.
Conspiracies, large and small, occur every day. When three teenage girls agree to secretly exclude one of their four-friend group from a common activity, that's a conspiracy. When a government invades another country based on lies told to the public, that's a conspiracy. It happens all the time.
To even try to denigrate "conspiracy theories" on a board about Top Chef is ridiculous. Ilan has actively conspired with others to get Marcel thrown off the show. Sam, Ilan, Elia and Cliff conspired to assault Marcel. Elia herself urged a conspiracy where they all would shave their heads and Marcel would be left with a full head of hair.
And the production staff has certainly opened itself wide to conspiracy theories.
MicrowaveHo
January 20, 2007 - 04:11 PM
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Someone on TWOP has said that BRAVO has terminated commentary on the blogs and are filtering out any questions about the editting of the assault on Marcel. Don't know if it's true, but some have suspect they may be trying to lessen Elia' srole because she won against Marcel, and they want to have a sympathetric winner.
Have no idea if this is true, but it makes for good obsessing.
http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/ar...ncident_editing
NOw, I must be off to that potential chocolate.
Oooooooooooooo... the plot thickens
Well not really the plot, rather their reasoning behind doing such a thing. Good find!!!
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 04:15 PM
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And if anyone but Marcel is declared Top Chef, it is at best, a hollow victory. Because how can anyone think that it is ok to win a title like TopChef, or any title for that matter, by cheating, and demeaning your competiton? They can say "from now on it's just about the food" but you can't wipe away the facts, no one but Marcel deserved to even go to Hawaii. They should have all been disqualified. unfortunately, this competition has now become a joke.
At this point? Anyone who's declared "Top Chef" can consider it a joke.
Unfortunately, this is probably too true.
swiss74
January 20, 2007 - 04:18 PM
Just jumping in to say,
Damn, one of my best friends just called from the east coast and his wife's health has gone from bad to critical. She has been in the hospital since before Christmas. I feel so sorry for him, his mother died a week before his wife became ill. His wife never was sick before in her life and all just came crashing down. Say a prayer for him and his wife.
swiss74
January 20, 2007 - 04:20 PM
I have to get off, need to have a good cry and head to church to light a few candles.
SoonersRock
January 20, 2007 - 04:33 PM
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Sooner...no disrespect of your talents. I'm just sayin I've seem a lot of people screw upo a lot of recipes in my day...and some who have improved them. I just think to compare the food actually made with our own attempts is inherently flawed. We'll never know what went into the judge's mouths (ok, knock it of in the back row!) Even when eating in a restaurant, 4 of us can order the same dish and one is off.
Just unfair I think to presume.
I agree with what you are saying. Yes three out of four could be good while the fourth could be off. All I can say in my defense (not the right word) is I am a chemist by profession and if we screw up measurements, something goes kaboom or someone dies. When I do a recipe for the first and second time I am like Bull Dog Dummond in my method of following the recipe. Third time I add my own flair to it. Now that does not account for the differences in the spice brands they use and what I use. All I can say is I can usually tell if it is a good recipe or whether is is something that is really not good. (Oh I try to use fresh spices I have grown other times I use what comes in a bottle. Usually means my green thumb went haywire.)
I agree with him too, I allow for errors in execution and variations in product. My point is that some of us have a general idea of what the dishes taste like. That's all I said and I stand by it
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January 20, 2007 - 04:36 PM
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After the producers blog called what happened to Marcel a "compelling story," I don't trust anything they say because they do not think like normal people.
You're a strange person Amazon. Lot's of stories that are not particularly pleasant are "compelling". Jesus built a 2,000 year career on one.
Didn't you know, Sooner? It's all fair game when you're bucking for the "Magdalene Of The Year" award. I think Marcel's got that one in the bag, but I guess you can't blame someone for trying.
I thought it was in very poor taste for a producer of TC to call the assault on Marcel "a compelling story." It occurred under their watch, for pete's sake, recorded with a camera they gave to the Assault Brigade.
I think it shows a kind of disconnect from the reality most normal people would experience if they were in the producers' shoes at this point.
If you're so dissatisfied with the majority of the contestants (aka the "Assault Brigade," which is just a new name for the "Bully-Gang") as well as the production staff now, just "disconnect" altogether and stop watching the show.
SoonersRock
January 20, 2007 - 04:37 PM
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Just jumping in to say,
Damn, one of my best friends just called from the east coast and his wife's health has gone from bad to critical. She has been in the hospital since before Christmas. I feel so sorry for him, his mother died a week before his wife became ill. His wife never was sick before in her life and all just came crashing down. Say a prayer for him and his wife.
Dang it never rains but it pours!
My best wishes to your buddy and his family.
IronChef
January 20, 2007 - 04:41 PM
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"Alcohol doesn't turn someone into an *sshole."
Maybe not but it looks like posting on a reality tv message board can.
brillke
Think so? I think it's preexisting in that situation, as well.
Hell, if assholery is a pre-existing condition, then we both have a lot of insurance coverage to take advantage of!
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 04:44 PM
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Just jumping in to say,
Damn, one of my best friends just called from the east coast and his wife's health has gone from bad to critical. She has been in the hospital since before Christmas. I feel so sorry for him, his mother died a week before his wife became ill. His wife never was sick before in her life and all just came crashing down. Say a prayer for him and his wife.
My prayers to your friend and his wife. So sad for him to go through so much at once.
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January 20, 2007 - 04:44 PM
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Creating a hostile workplace is.
What is that old saying about heat and kitchens?
That really has nothing to do with the modern work environment.
I beg to respectfully differ with you there Amazon. Whether it's a kitchen or a business office people have to go along to get along. I have worked in both settings and that particular dynamic is the same. Sometimes it's too hostile and you have to bail... even if you really need the gig. Your sanity is worth more than cash.
SoonersRock
January 20, 2007 - 04:48 PM
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I have to get off, need to have a good cry and head to church to light a few candles.
LMAO... salam alaikum.... Sholem... be cool
sizzler
January 20, 2007 - 04:53 PM
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And again you misrepresent me. You like doing that, or is it an accident?
At this moment, I'm choosing to believe that Tom is Honest. Given that, I know if I was talked into changing my mind on a decision due to being "Misinformed", I would do everything in my power to fix it. Yes, even if it stripped one winner over another. His name and rep are attached to the show, I'm sure he doesn't want to be remembered as someone easily dupable, or a person afraid to correct a wrong once he knows of it.
I mean seriously, If Sam "WON", he'd only be stripped of the win if the true order of events showed he should have been dq'ed before the final. If he wasn't to be dq'ed, no change in his win. Same for any of the others.
Are the words too big for you to understand?
Simple.
Let's assume Tom is both truthful in what he's said so far in the matter AND a standup person. The fact that SOMEONE lied to him about the sequencing, and therefore the nature of what happened to Marcel, may well indeed make a standup honest person rethink a decision and act accordingly. Notice I did not say that action would be to give the win to Marcel.
If Tom knows the real deal and is playing along with production and the story to do...well something I guess, then nothing will change.
I've never been a Marcel Fan, but I'm not a hater either. I think he should have to compete against the last 3 standing chefs that were not breaking contest rules in a way to get them DQ'ed. That would be fair, both by my understanding of the rules they agree to and by (I hope) society values that ganging up on people does not earn you a reward. That behavior would get them dq'ed from any smart kitchen in the world.
OK Cassie, I'm going to back you on this for one reason. I do understand the point you are trying to make. Tom may HAVE told them that either Marcel wins or you can all kiss my rump roast good bye, IF he found out before the prize was awarded about being duped by the producers. It is his name on the show and his reputation somewhat at stake. However, that is something we will probably never know, because even if Marcel wins, whether it be for his cooking or for the verbal/physical abuse he took (that was NOT "brothers" wrestling around!) I am sure that even IF they agreed to make sure that Marcel won, there would be all kinds of contractual agreements that they would NEVER talk about it. However, if Tom does not find out until AFTER the Hawaii challenge, there is nothing he can do except refuse to be associated with the show again. Pretty sure he would have no grounds for taking the prize back. Any help?? (O:
Hey Sizz and TC Junkies..miscreants and misanthrops
and lovers!!!
I just saw this and don't know if it's been answered..but on Tom's Blog he said he saw the tape the next morning.Wouldn't that blow this theory out of the water??
He knew the sequence of how it happened already..It only becomes an issue after the fact.....So...Why does everyone think they did edit it differently because obviously they did???
Damage control?????
Did they not know the fervor some of these fans posess....lol.Frame by frame!!!
BTW..His Blog also says the camera guy gave them a camcorder..not a pro camera from the show..so that should quell those theories about the camera.
Very possible Kristl, IF they didn't edit the film before they even showed Tom. They had to know he would be furious about it. Not saying they did edit the film before they showed him, but it is possible he was duped. Just putting on my devils advocate suit again...swish swish. And to me the camera issue doesn't matter. They had a camera, period. Doesn't really make any difference what kind it was, the film was made. Yes, I think there has been a LOT of damage control on this. More to keep sponsors than anything. JMHO, ya know what I mean, Jelly Bean???? (O:
IronChef
January 20, 2007 - 05:01 PM
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Creating a hostile workplace is.
What is that old saying about heat and kitchens?
That really has nothing to do with the modern work environment.
I beg to respectfully differ with you there Amazon. Whether it's a kitchen or a business office people have to go along to get along. I have worked in both settings and that particular dynamic is the same. Sometimes it's too hostile and you have to bail... even if you really need the gig. Your sanity is worth more than cash.
Wait ... how does "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" not apply to the "modern" work environment? I've worked in kitchens, and I've worked in offices, both now and in the past, and while it would be great to say that the same hostilities, backstabbing and "politics" experienced 20 years ago no longer apply, that's simply not been the case in my experience.
A good friend and co-worker of mine resigned in advance of being fired yesterday because she couldn't deal with the "heat" her new boss (who happened to be my old boss) gave her.
She couldn't stand it after 4 months, so she got out of the kitchen. Modern employee. Modern environment. Old saying, but hardly irrelevant or inapplicable.
SoonersRock
January 20, 2007 - 05:08 PM
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People who poo-poo conspiracy theories are often the ones who benefit most from trying to deny a conspiracy exists.
That is called a self-fulfilling prophecy... it's a logical fallacy.
It's like asking someone if they still beat their wife.
In point of fact I have nothing to gain or lose from Top Chef. I was pulling for MIkey
I liked Mikey probably for a lot of the same reasons you like Marcel come to think of it.
ohiotodd
January 20, 2007 - 05:08 PM
Well I just watched the rerun again. I am such a wuss. LOL.
I just like Marcel and forgive the others and feel sorry for Cliff. I think we all see more drama than there actually is. An example being when Marcel rubs Elia's shaved head at the end. She was not disgusted or anything..she was smiling and happy and simply stayed the same but moved her eyes and head towards him when he did it. No big deal. Yeah the sniping and the positioning they have done all season has gone over the top, and the prank/assault was certainly over the top....but really I do not think it is or has been as bad as we make it out to be for them.
I naturally still like Marcel...but I really have no bad feelings for the rest of them though. And yeah Sam is hot and Ilan is cute(even with the bald head) and Elia is cute as a button...I am so stupid and forgiving...I like them all. Oh well. It is just a reality show....
brillke
January 20, 2007 - 05:12 PM
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I don't think a producer lying about something that happened on the show, especially where the show in question has had liability-potential events occur, is going to damage their career. I think they will end up enhancing their career potential.
Also, isn't it interesting that Marcel finally sought sanctuary in the bathroom? I assumed it was because it is the only room with a lock on it, and the torment was continuing by Sam/Ilan/Cliff, with Elia either standing by mutely or laughing her *ss off.
But if it is also the only place where filming is allowed, that adds another reason.
I don't think that they (production) lied about not being there as well. Think about it, there were five people who were there who could publicly refute that lie.
That's assuming that there isn't something in the contracts they signed that forbids them talking about productions' actions or interventions.
I've wondered if production overruled Tom C's intent to send everyone but Marcel home and make Marcel the default winner because production WAS involved at least peripherally by the assault, and they needed to buy off the Assault Brigade with a little quid pro quo...their silence for Hawaii.
So, just to be clear, the "bully-gang" is now the "Assault Brigade", correct? And said "Assault Brigade" is blackmailing production?
brillke
CassieSinclaire
January 20, 2007 - 05:12 PM
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OK Cassie, I'm going to back you on this for one reason. I do understand the point you are trying to make. Tom may HAVE told them that either Marcel wins or you can all kiss my rump roast good bye, IF he found out before the prize was awarded about being duped by the producers. It is his name on the show and his reputation somewhat at stake. However, that is something we will probably never know, because even if Marcel wins, whether it be for his cooking or for the verbal/physical abuse he took (that was NOT "brothers" wrestling around!) I am sure that even IF they agreed to make sure that Marcel won, there would be all kinds of contractual agreements that they would NEVER talk about it. However, if Tom does not find out until AFTER the Hawaii challenge, there is nothing he can do except refuse to be associated with the show again. Pretty sure he would have no grounds for taking the prize back. Any help?? (O:
Some actually. I started thinking there that I'd come up with a new language or something. Spent the last few hours trying to find out how to decode it
IronChef
January 20, 2007 - 05:16 PM
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Well I just watched the rerun again. I am such a wuss. LOL.
I just like Marcel and forgive the others and feel sorry for Cliff. I think we all see more drama than there actually is. An example being when Marcel rubs Elia's shaved head at the end. She was not disgusted or anything..she was smiling and happy and simply stayed the same but moved her eyes and head towards him when he did it. No big deal. Yeah the sniping and the positioning they have done all season has gone over the top, and the prank/assault was certainly over the top....but really I do not think it is or has been as bad as we make it out to be for them.
I naturally still like Marcel...but I really have no bad feelings for the rest of them though. And yeah Sam is hot and Ilan is cute(even with the bald head) and Elia is cute as a button...I am so stupid and forgiving...I like them all. Oh well. It is just a reality show....
That's such a positive, upbeat spin on things, Ohio. I only wish others could see it that way, and could be as understanding, forgiving, affirmative and optimistic.
P.S. You're not a wuss! You're telling it like you see it.
brillke
January 20, 2007 - 05:23 PM
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Well I just watched the rerun again. I am such a wuss. LOL.
I just like Marcel and forgive the others and feel sorry for Cliff. I think we all see more drama than there actually is. An example being when Marcel rubs Elia's shaved head at the end. She was not disgusted or anything..she was smiling and happy and simply stayed the same but moved her eyes and head towards him when he did it. No big deal. Yeah the sniping and the positioning they have done all season has gone over the top, and the prank/assault was certainly over the top....but really I do not think it is or has been as bad as we make it out to be for them.
I naturally still like Marcel...but I really have no bad feelings for the rest of them though. And yeah Sam is hot and Ilan is cute(even with the bald head) and Elia is cute as a button...I am so stupid and forgiving...I like them all. Oh well. It is just a reality show....
Excellent post.
brillke
IronChef
January 20, 2007 - 05:26 PM
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I don't think a producer lying about something that happened on the show, especially where the show in question has had liability-potential events occur, is going to damage their career. I think they will end up enhancing their career potential.
Also, isn't it interesting that Marcel finally sought sanctuary in the bathroom? I assumed it was because it is the only room with a lock on it, and the torment was continuing by Sam/Ilan/Cliff, with Elia either standing by mutely or laughing her *ss off.
But if it is also the only place where filming is allowed, that adds another reason.
I don't think that they (production) lied about not being there as well. Think about it, there were five people who were there who could publicly refute that lie.
That's assuming that there isn't something in the contracts they signed that forbids them talking about productions' actions or interventions.
I've wondered if production overruled Tom C's intent to send everyone but Marcel home and make Marcel the default winner because production WAS involved at least peripherally by the assault, and they needed to buy off the Assault Brigade with a little quid pro quo...their silence for Hawaii.
So, just to be clear, the "bully-gang" is now the "Assault Brigade", correct? And said "Assault Brigade" is blackmailing production?
brillke
Apparently so. I guess "Bully-Gang" must be considered tres passé, outré and déclassé now. Clearly, I need to write a new ballad incorporating the "gang's" new moniker.
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