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sizzler

January 21, 2007 - 06:54 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

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Evening Bear!

Yeah what you said..I have no idea what is going on the boards I just got on and I think I left posting about 140 or so lol...Don't have the energy to go back and read...lol

Hope all is well in your neck of the woods!

Sorry to use your space but Swiss if you are on tonight just wanted to say congrats on your Bears they gave my saints a great big whoopin today.....Good luck to them in the Super Bowl.

Well Good evening everyone.

Good evening Actor and Bear. Yes, the boards have been sheer exhaustion today. I think I have had my fill!! Time to just relax and watch TV. Hate to tell you, but have been a Bears fan for years. When my son played Jr. football, we used to bet on the games all season and I always picked the bears. Why??? Because I liked the name "Mike Ditka" Drove my son crazy that it was all based on his name.. Worked for me.
Good night guys and all the other posters. Be nice to each other!!

Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 06:55 PM

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...Sorry, I must've been fending off all those "you're a hypocrite" and "you're making me uncomfortable" and "you're trying to be a martyr" posts at the time. You know us mere mortals, we don't have the stamina or the omniscience you Olympians apparently do.

You've both been attacking each other for pages and pages. Was I supposed to take a side?

And let's not give credit where credit isn't due. I didn't post specifically to you to "live and let live." I posted it to everyone. I said "if we can't all forgive and forget, couldn't we at least just live and let live?"

That was a board-wide request, not a poster-specific one.

But, hey ... Gooooo Peace!!!

Regarding "You've both been attacking each other for pages and pages. Was I supposed to take a side?" Absolutely not true, and anybody who wants to review the past 30 pages or so can easily see that is true.

As I said, I signed on today and, since I signed off yesterday, there were pages of attacking posts. Today--after the pages and pages of posts--I answered two of brillke's more recent attack posts with what she spewed out, and then figured "that's it." It's a waste of time to post to someone who is at the point where their sole reason for posting to you is to attack you.

And about taking sides...I think it's obvious from my post to you that I felt you were taking sides in ignoring the pages of attack posts by brillke and WhatAJoke and then, when I answered one of brillke's attack posts, then and only then did you bring out the can't we all get along.

As I said before, I think there is a lot of misplaced anger going on. It must be hard to defend Sam, Ilan, Cliff or Elia at this point, and so the anger is turned outward to those criticizing them.

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actor59

January 21, 2007 - 06:55 PM

Evening Holster!

I see your a Harry fan as well loves me some JK....have you ever gone to mugglenet.com? Really great site very informative especially love the Sinners Inn Blog on that site...Think you would be great in the conversations about the speculations of book 7 the Deathly Hollows....check it out if have not already...lol

sizzler

January 21, 2007 - 06:56 PM

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Don't really know a lot about the Saints.

You'll have to ask Actor about the Saints...heard they were eaten by some bears.

LOL Now you can REALLY tell I ain't catholic...I'm a Bears fan. LMAO

Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 06:57 PM

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This is great. There's a poll on www.tv.com for America's favorite top chef. Marcel has become America's sweetheart. (Unless you are a psycho bottle-weilding fan of the brat pack).

http://www.tv.com/feature/top-chef/?tag=to...opslot;action;2

Right now:

Marcel 77%
Elia 11%
Sam 6%
Ilan 6%

Ilan was at 1% but must have heard and is now feverishly trying to make up. It's pretty funny. You can see the numbers change real time.

Great way to get out your frustrations and exercise your click finger.

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Hawaii Four-O
Jealousy, Betrayal, Conspracy....

http://mcrumistudio.com/hawaii4o.jpg

Marcel interview: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

Thanks for the link!!

Too bad they didn't let you vote for any of the ones already auffed. Out of those available, I voted for Marcel, just because I don't think being involved in an assault on a colleague is consistent with being a Top Chef.

These are the scores so far:
Elia: 10%
Ilan: 6%
Sam: 6%
Marcel: 78%

Interesting that Elia (10%) is ahead of Ilan (6%) and Sam (6%).

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about ten thousand of Ilan's votes were mine and just for fun to get the Marcel people revved up. I was just reading and clicking and well...the clicking just kind of got addictive and before I knew it I had taken him all the way from 1500 to over 11 thousand votes..

ROFLMAO! Yep, one poster posting >9000 posts is the only way that Ilan is going to even keep it at 6%.

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actor59

January 21, 2007 - 06:59 PM

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Don't really know a lot about the Saints.

You'll have to ask Actor about the Saints...heard they were eaten by some bears.

See that is just totally funny Holster... and yup your right I just hope the have some floss to get my team that is still stuck in their teeth out...lol

CityGirl

January 21, 2007 - 07:01 PM

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...it's not really that important.

never is till someone dies...and many have at frat hazings where this stuff happens...and i know ...i ran our hell week...sigma nu, u of az.

i'm sorry you can't grasp the notion of personal privacy and safety. maybe if yours is violated by someone twice as big as you who actively dislikes you, you might get a glimmer....

no one was going to die. this was a controlled environment. It wasn't a frat hazing....it wasn't walking on a tightrope across the street....it was controlled...nothing extreme was going to happen. Again...what marcel did with the camera was probably worse. He could have hurt ilans eye had it been on the eye piece. Cliff was not going to hurt him. This wasn't any assualt by a stranger on the street. I talk about this incident...not a general assault.

I've been assaulted in a jail (worked there) by three convicts that outweighed me by a combined 400 pounds.

1. This wasn't a controlled environment. No production crew members were present.

2. Not strangers? Then who were these animals in the dark? Surely not the polite, well-mannered contestants that they posed as in front of the daytime TV cameras. And really, how much did they know about each other outside of this experience? Absolutely nothing. They take on faith that Bravo has screened out the dangerous kooks, but what if Bravo made a mistake? You can't say that Marcel was never in danger. While a headlock is a safe move, Cliff could also have outright choked Marcel before the others realized it.

3. Your saying that nothing extreme was going to happen is your opinion derived from knowing, as a viewer, what the other cast members planned to do. The whole point is that, AS IT WAS HAPPENING, Marcel DIDN'T know, because none of the drunken fools thought to tell him while assaulting and manhandling him.

4. Marcel was ripped awake and thrown to the floor, with a bigger, heavier man on top of him trying to subdue him as he screamed for others to help him. Or didn't you notice that he was screaming?

5. Marcel well knew that there were no production crew members present to protect him. All he had to protect him were the other cast members. But it was precisely those other cast members who were taking joy in assaulting him or just deliberately hanging back and letting it happen. What's not to be scared about?

6. Ilan's eye would not have been hurt. He was using the production crew's camera, and all digital camrecorders Bravo would be using would have huge rubber eyepieces -- which are standard protective equipment on all of these cameras.

Something about those cameras had me confused, so i called a buddy of mine that works on a film crew for a production company in NYC, and asked him about the viewfinders/displays on those things. According to him, if it showed a date format ( __/__/___ ) and the REC, then it should also have a RED FLASHING LIGHT (or the REC should be flashing as it records as a sign that "all is well/in working order"). He also said that the DATE would show THE DATE, and not be blank. The ONLY way it would be blank would be if the camera had no battery in it EVER, and it was reset to zero because of it. How many production crews do you know that keep handy "dead cameras"?

I think it was ALL planned. And it wasn't a "dark room". The room was extremely well-lit. If it WASN'T planned, then Ilan and Elia and Cliff should forget about cooking, and get into filming/production work, because they'd make a mint! The Blair Witch Project had NOTHING over what these three whackaloons pulled off with only a single camera.

I *DO* think that Elia and Ilan should have been sent home as well. This was "their game", so fine. Pay the piper.

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I disagree. At night, even a well-lit room won't provide an optimal picture without supplemental lighting. The film was poor quality and clearly made in less than optimal lighting conditions, and without any supplemental spots, etc. that are the tools of the lighting pro's magic.

As for the viewfinder, I think you are confusing two things. The camera films what is in front of it. The red LED information visible through the eyepiece while filming is just information displayed by the camera back to the person holding it as an aid. Likewise, red light on the outside of the camera indicates that the dang thing is actually "on" and "filming". The LED information you see in the eyepiece while filming is superimposed over the image by the camera (but is not itself being filmed or added to the film), strictly as a little "helper" to the person holding the camera. It is actually just the camera "talking" to you and giving information which may or may not be helpful to obtaining best film quality under the circumstances, in case the cameraman wishes to make adjustments to the lens, the lighting, etc. It isn't a part of the digital video actually being made unless you've actually programmed the camera to add a date/time stamp to the video. So, when you play a digital video that you previously filmed, none of the red numbers will be present. I'm confused by your comment that the lack of this information on the video proves that this was all a setup. It proves nothing of the kind.

IronChef

January 21, 2007 - 07:02 PM

Peace!

sizzler

January 21, 2007 - 07:03 PM

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Don't really know a lot about the Saints.

You'll have to ask Actor about the Saints...heard they were eaten by some bears.

See that is just totally funny Holster... and yup your right I just hope the have some floss to get my team that is still stuck in their teeth out...lol

Poor Actor, maybe if you ask them nice they will speeeet them out for you. lol

SimpleBear

January 21, 2007 - 07:03 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

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Evening Bear!

Yeah what you said..I have no idea what is going on the boards I just got on and I think I left posting about 140 or so lol...Don't have the energy to go back and read...lol

Hope all is well in your neck of the woods!

Sorry to use your space but Swiss if you are on tonight just wanted to say congrats on your Bears they gave my saints a great big whoopin today.....Good luck to them in the Super Bowl.

Well Good evening everyone.

Your guess is as good as mine, buddy. I have pretty much gone out of my way to avoid the boards these days but, every now and again, I flip through to see exactly what bad vibes are going down (it's like a bad car wreck that you don't want to see but...). So I do and the only thing I wonder is, except for the advanced vocabulary, are these people twelve years old, or something? It just doesn't seem like conduct becoming to an adult.

Sorry about your Saints. There was a point where I thought they might do it and then it all went to hell. What I find odd is that if The Patriots pull off their game it will be the same match up as the last time The Bears went to the Super Bowl. I think this may be a fitting end to an extremely odd and unexplainable week.

Peace and Love! <HUGS>

Holster

January 21, 2007 - 07:03 PM

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Evening Holster!

I see your a Harry fan as well loves me some JK....have you ever gone to mugglenet.com? Really great site very informative especially love the Sinners Inn Blog on that site...Think you would be great in the conversations about the speculations of book 7 the Deathly Hollows....check it out if have not already...lol

Hey A,
Nope, never been there...I'll check it out. However, I don't have time for another obsession!! LOL.

If you like the Potter series,I think you'd like an older series that a lot of people don't know about: Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series...starting with A Wizard of Earthsea. Excellent.

Sorry about the Saints! Although I'm from Chicago, I don't know football from funnel cakes. BUt I do know that folks from NO were stoked for them to get this far. Is the Superbowl still held in NO?

Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 07:08 PM

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I don't know if you would be accused of all those things, but other posters might ask you to justify your support of whomever you voiced support for.

Well, yeah. Pretty much what I said. And let's not pretend it'd be all civil and "Oh, won't you sit down and have a cuppa tea? Let's discuss this civilly, sha'nt we?"

C'mon, Guv'nor. You know it wouldn't be like that. I think, under other circumstances, you and I might actually get along, but we may never know that, will we? For now, let's just call a spade a spade, and agree to turn the other Net cheek.

Have your board battles if you will, but please do count me out from here on in. You've all worn me down and worn me out. I just don't have the stamina anymore.

Heading out to tea with Eddie Izzard

I think you would get a wide variety of styles of people asking you why you chose Brand X over Brand Y...as many different styles as there are posters here. Some would be ever-so-polite, some would not.

I don't have any problem with people disagreeing with me. That's what a message board is all about. I do object when someone only posts attacks against me. Once it becomes clear that they've gone around the bend, and it isn't just a temporary passion-of-the-moment deal, then I just quit reading their posts.

As I said, when I signed on today there were pages of attacks, none of which I was participating in. I had not responded to WhatAJoke's posts for a long time, yet apparently he has become obsessed with me. It's like a few guys I dated when single...you reject them and they become like toiletpaper stuck to your shoe. Just can't get rid of them.

So, although I may have passionate opinions, I'm not looking for a fight. If attacked, I'll return in kind...to the point where it's clear the attacker has developed a pattern that isn't going to blow over.

I'm with you. When I signed on and saw all the crap attacks posted I thought, "What is wrong with these people?" I actually responded to a couple of brillke's posts then remembered Sun Tzu: "When you become like your enemy, your enemy has won."

Peace, love and understanding

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actor59

January 21, 2007 - 07:09 PM

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Don't really know a lot about the Saints.

You'll have to ask Actor about the Saints...heard they were eaten by some bears.

See that is just totally funny Holster... and yup your right I just hope the have some floss to get my team that is still stuck in their teeth out...lol

Poor Actor, maybe if you ask them nice they will speeeet them out for you. lol

I think they already did that today LOL ate us and speet us out...was a great ride while it lasted. Can't tell you how much the Saints have ment to this city...oh well atleast we are a young team we always have next year only this time we will be top seed and have the bears on our home field....I hear bear is real good in gumbo... Anyway congrats to your team!

Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 07:09 PM

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Peace!

Love and understanding!

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Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 07:13 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

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As I said in a previous post, I started putting the "IGNORED" on because brillke accused me of avoiding WhatAJoke's questions to me when, in fact, I had not read them because I have had him on "ignore" for a long time.

Would it help if I added, "To avoid confusion about unanswered posts..."?

Peace, love and understanding.

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actor59

January 21, 2007 - 07:13 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

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Evening Bear!

Yeah what you said..I have no idea what is going on the boards I just got on and I think I left posting about 140 or so lol...Don't have the energy to go back and read...lol

Hope all is well in your neck of the woods!

Sorry to use your space but Swiss if you are on tonight just wanted to say congrats on your Bears they gave my saints a great big whoopin today.....Good luck to them in the Super Bowl.

Well Good evening everyone.

Your guess is as good as mine, buddy. I have pretty much gone out of my way to avoid the boards these days but, every now and again, I flip through to see exactly what bad vibes are going down (it's like a bad car wreck that you don't want to see but...). So I do and the only thing I wonder is, except for the advanced vocabulary, are these people twelve years old, or something? It just doesn't seem like conduct becoming to an adult.

Sorry about your Saints. There was a point where I thought they might do it and then it all went to hell. What I find odd is that if The Patriots pull off their game it will be the same match up as the last time The Bears went to the Super Bowl. I think this may be a fitting end to an extremely odd and unexplainable week.

Peace and Love! <HUGS>

Thanks for the hug...watching the secound game now looks like it might be IND going against the Bears only a minute left and the Colts just went ahead ...well atleast we will have one native from NOLA in the Super Bowl if they win that is..lol

Jazzie53

January 21, 2007 - 07:15 PM

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Evening Holster!

I see your a Harry fan as well loves me some JK....have you ever gone to mugglenet.com? Really great site very informative especially love the Sinners Inn Blog on that site...Think you would be great in the conversations about the speculations of book 7 the Deathly Hollows....check it out if have not already...lol

Hey A,
Nope, never been there...I'll check it out. However, I don't have time for another obsession!! LOL.

If you like the Potter series,I think you'd like an older series that a lot of people don't know about: Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series...starting with A Wizard of Earthsea. Excellent....

My son and I are both Potter fans...am reserving two of the new books as I don't want to wait for him to finish it before I can read it, so I will definitely be cruising over to the muggles site....and oh thank you for mentioning the LeGuin series!!!! I was absolutely delighted to find the Earth Seas series as required reading for one of his classes! Having been a sci-fi/fantasy person for over 40 years, this tickles me! Now, we return to the regularly scheduled TC disputes, that is, ummm ahhh, dialogues! *wink* :-)
Jazzie

Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 07:17 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

<shrugs>

Evening Bear!

Yeah what you said..I have no idea what is going on the boards I just got on and I think I left posting about 140 or so lol...Don't have the energy to go back and read...lol

Hope all is well in your neck of the woods!

Sorry to use your space but Swiss if you are on tonight just wanted to say congrats on your Bears they gave my saints a great big whoopin today.....Good luck to them in the Super Bowl.

Well Good evening everyone.

Your guess is as good as mine, buddy. I have pretty much gone out of my way to avoid the boards these days but, every now and again, I flip through to see exactly what bad vibes are going down (it's like a bad car wreck that you don't want to see but...). So I do and the only thing I wonder is, except for the advanced vocabulary, are these people twelve years old, or something? It just doesn't seem like conduct becoming to an adult....

Peace and Love! <HUGS>

I agree. I signed off yesterday, signed on today to find pages of attacks. Like I said, it's like the little girl from the "Aliens" movie said..."They mostly come out at night. Mostly."

Peace, love and understanding

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January 21, 2007 - 07:18 PM

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I understand that you think that our reaction makes light of real assaults, but that is entirely not the case. What happened to Marcel is unacceptable behavior and the kind of assaults you describe are also unacceptable. What I have a problem with is that you said:
"There was no danger"

We all saw Cliff hold Marcel down by his neck. That could easily turn into a very serious injury. Like some hockey player got punched in the neck and now he's paralyzed. Yes, Cliff did not go into this planning to hurt Marcel but it could happen. The fact that nothing more serious than rug burn and bruises happened does not change its unacceptability.

Exactly. To the victim, ALL assaults are equally real To assign realativre value is to diminish another's reality. They do it all the time in dictatorships. Minimize the small stuff so the big stuff looks even less evil.

Like those who think that stealing office supplies is not the same as embezzling 100K. They ar edifferent in amount, but exactly the same in kind. They are both theft.

it's called relative morality and a sure path to a corrupt character. let alone social chaos.

Stop the hand wringing okay?

Marcel did a interview recently with a Las Vegas newspaper in which he compares the incident to something druken frat guys do, and says he was so pissed afterward he was thinking about smashing a lamp over one of their heads.

HERE:
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2007/01/18/feature2.html

OBVIOUSLY some people here calling Marcel a "victim" when in reality HE DOES NOT SEE HIMSELF AS ONE, and apparently he never felt threatened at all.
As a matter of fact he said he went into his bedroom after the incident and Cliff started to horseplay even more and was throwing chocolate bars at him. That's when Marcel was like, enough of this sh*t, I'm sleeping in the bathroom.

Marcel knows it was stupid druken frat house type behavior ...why is it people here want it turned into some major crime, comparing to real assault victims??

If HE did not feel threatened or like it was an assault, why the hell are some here continuing this HYSTERICAL hyperbole?

Talk about disproportionate response.

I do not condone 'Jackass' type antics from that night, but what is MORE scary is the response from some people.

I don't think it is valid to conclude from what Marcel said in an interview months later that he felt exactly that same way on the night that the whole mess happened. I'm sure that "stupid frat prank" wasn't the first thing that came to his mind when he was being ripped from a sound sleep and attacked, placed in a headlock, and swung up off his feet by another, stronger contestant who didn't bother to explain what was going on.

Marcel has had plenty of time to compose himself, put it in perspective, and describe the whole thing in a gentlemanly manner. Yes, he's adding some more detail for our consumption. But, he's clearly not interested in digging the knife in the backs of others at this point, and I applaud him for that attitude.

Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 07:19 PM

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Evening Holster!

I see your a Harry fan as well loves me some JK....have you ever gone to mugglenet.com? Really great site very informative especially love the Sinners Inn Blog on that site...Think you would be great in the conversations about the speculations of book 7 the Deathly Hollows....check it out if have not already...lol

Hey A,
Nope, never been there...I'll check it out. However, I don't have time for another obsession!! LOL.

If you like the Potter series,I think you'd like an older series that a lot of people don't know about: Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series...starting with A Wizard of Earthsea. Excellent....

My son and I are both Potter fans...am reserving two of the new books as I don't want to wait for him to finish it before I can read it, so I will definitely be cruising over to the muggles site....and oh thank you for mentioning the LeGuin series!!!! I was absolutely delighted to find the Earth Seas series as required reading for one of his classes! Having been a sci-fi/fantasy person for over 40 years, this tickles me! Now, we return to the regularly scheduled TC disputes, that is, ummm ahhh, dialogues! *wink* :-)
Jazzie

When the last Potter book came out, I poo-pooed the idea of reserving the book, picking it up at midnight, and joining a group of people who were going to read it, start to finish.

I'm going to do it this time, by gum. The last experience to do that with a Harry Potter book.

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actor59

January 21, 2007 - 07:20 PM

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Evening Holster!

I see your a Harry fan as well loves me some JK....have you ever gone to mugglenet.com? Really great site very informative especially love the Sinners Inn Blog on that site...Think you would be great in the conversations about the speculations of book 7 the Deathly Hollows....check it out if have not already...lol

Hey A,
Nope, never been there...I'll check it out. However, I don't have time for another obsession!! LOL.

If you like the Potter series,I think you'd like an older series that a lot of people don't know about: Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series...starting with A Wizard of Earthsea. Excellent.

Sorry about the Saints! Although I'm from Chicago, I don't know football from funnel cakes. BUt I do know that folks from NO were stoked for them to get this far. Is the Superbowl still held in NO?

LOL this year it will be in Miami but yes we still are host to Super Bowls.Thanks for the heads up on those books will check them out. I know what you mean about obbsessions..lol But you don't have to join in on the forums on mugglenet.com if you don't want to but they are really great fans of the books but thier editorials, blogs,etc are really entertaining...give it a look there is also one called theleakycauldren.com that is good too, plus JK Rowling has her own site as well....such a geek I am..

Amazon

January 21, 2007 - 07:22 PM

Finally caught up. I'm off to finish up dinner (Italian sausage and pepper sandwiches).

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January 21, 2007 - 07:27 PM

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Gosh, I'm tired! Got my bankie, got my sippy cup, and I'm sportin' my "Stepford Sam's Wife" Tee, so by golly, it's time for a nap. 'Night, everyone!

How funny that you call your bankie a bankie! I've called my bankie that ever since I could talk!

Oh, yes! When I was a wee one, my bankie went pretty much everywhere with me. My Aunt actually wore a permanent groove in her finger from worrying at hers so much when she was a kid.

I was adopted when I was 3 months old and believe my original bankie was made for me by my mother at that time. It endured until I was 15, though quite in shambles! She made me another one, similar colors, satin trim, the whole deal... but it never was the same. I still slept with it though!

I had it until I was in my mid twenties, but with all the moving and such over the years, it has disappeared. I hadn't thought about it until I saw your post. Thanks for bringing back a cozy, cuddly memory!

SimpleBear

January 21, 2007 - 07:27 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

<shrugs>

As I said in a previous post, I started putting the "IGNORED" on because brillke accused me of avoiding WhatAJoke's questions to me when, in fact, I had not read them because I have had him on "ignore" for a long time.

Would it help if I added, "To avoid confusion about unanswered posts..."?

Peace, love and understanding.

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I don't know, maybe you can call me willfully ignorant, but I just don't understand that way of thinking. I may never understand it and that's fine with me. So, ya know, do whatever feels good to you.

Jazzie53

January 21, 2007 - 07:29 PM

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Evening Holster!

I see your a Harry fan as well loves me some JK....have you ever gone to mugglenet.com? Really great site very informative especially love the Sinners Inn Blog on that site...Think you would be great in the conversations about the speculations of book 7 the Deathly Hollows....check it out if have not already...lol

Hey A,
Nope, never been there...I'll check it out. However, I don't have time for another obsession!! LOL.

If you like the Potter series,I think you'd like an older series that a lot of people don't know about: Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series...starting with A Wizard of Earthsea. Excellent....

My son and I are both Potter fans...am reserving two of the new books as I don't want to wait for him to finish it before I can read it, so I will definitely be cruising over to the muggles site....and oh thank you for mentioning the LeGuin series!!!! I was absolutely delighted to find the Earth Seas series as required reading for one of his classes! Having been a sci-fi/fantasy person for over 40 years, this tickles me! Now, we return to the regularly scheduled TC disputes, that is, ummm ahhh, dialogues! *wink* :-)
Jazzie

When the last Potter book came out, I poo-pooed the idea of reserving the book, picking it up at midnight, and joining a group of people who were going to read it, start to finish.

LOL....don't think my kidlet and I are going to do the midnight thing....but we do get our Barenes & Noble discounts, and will know there are books there for us when we go to pick them up. I'm too fond of sleep to go out at midnight....been years since my Rocky Horror days of midnight madness, don'cha know!
JZ

CityGirl

January 21, 2007 - 07:29 PM

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I want to know what it is about Marcel, himself, not the groups doing that makes you like Marcel. Is it his cooking ability, his personality, what. Disregard all the problems he has had, Speak to us about Marcel.

1) He has klept his focus on the foods and not the drama or the money.

2) He has not treated the competition like a "Survivor" show but a forum to produce great food.

3) He has not responded to mistreatment or verbal attacks in kind, with the one exception of Betty in the firehouse, and that was itself mild and he stopped when asked.

4) He has not thrown others under the bus or personal maligned them at judge'st able but brought the discussion back to the food. NOr has he retyaliated when attacked personally at the judges table.

5) He has not put down other contestants in front of their guests.

6) He has maintained a sense of humor while being bullied individually and collectively.

7) He has tried to be innovative in the face of verbal put downs.

8) He has always offered his help in the kitchen even to those who had previously abused him.

9) He has shown a passion and knowledge of food that is inspiring.

10) He has acknowledged the positive contributions and talents of the other chefs while never receiving so much as a pat on the back from the other chefs for his efforts or accomplishments.

11) He is able to laugh at himself and his weaknesses.

12) He does not hold a grudge.

I think that's a start.

Very impressive Holster...I concur!

So do I. It seems that Marcel's main fault is the inability to come up with a snappy comeback that would make others back down. For example, when Ilan made that comment about him never having had sex, Marcel could have said any number of things rather than remaining silent and containing his anger. For example,
"Look in the mirror,"
"Really? Well, you're clearly the world expert on not having sex,"
"Drop dead,"
"Har har, you're so funny I forgot to laugh,"
"Sticks and stones, you've got no cahones,"
"Time for your daily phone call home to Mommy," or
"Yeah, but at least I have a d.i.c.k."

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January 21, 2007 - 07:30 PM

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I'm with you. When I signed on and saw all the crap attacks posted I thought, "What is wrong with these people?" I actually responded to a couple of brillke's posts then remembered Sun Tzu: "When you become like your enemy, your enemy has won."

Someday, when this crap is all over, email me if you're in a "wild hair" mood at plaguemistress@tampabay.rr.com. Like I said, and you never know, we may actually have more in common than not.

(what's so funny 'bout) Peace, love and understanding

Holster

January 21, 2007 - 07:31 PM

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Jazzie

That is so cool! I think it's an amazing book, esp for kids, although i didn't read it til i was in my 40s....still a powerful book. The series does peter out by the 4th book, but that first book is pure gold...for me, only second to the Hobbit....and of course, there's Winnie the Pooh which is miraculous (sad though that the real "Christopher Robin" became estranged from his father/author)...and Peter Pan is a riot...Tinker Bell is just nasty in the orgina!! Disney really sugar coats everything, alas. But THRILLED Earthsea is on the curriculum!

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January 21, 2007 - 07:34 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

<shrugs>

As I said in a previous post, I started putting the "IGNORED" on because brillke accused me of avoiding WhatAJoke's questions to me when, in fact, I had not read them because I have had him on "ignore" for a long time.

Would it help if I added, "To avoid confusion about unanswered posts..."?

Peace, love and understanding.

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IGNORED: WhatAJoke, brillke

And Amazon put me on "ignore once I had proven her wrong after she called me a liar.

Love the Ignore line at the bottom of your posts. Very mature. Too bad Bravo doesn't support pictures, you could put up a jpeg of your melon with your fingers in your ears saying LaLaLaLa over and over again...

lol

SimpleBear

January 21, 2007 - 07:38 PM

Yep, Indy won. That means that I'll be eating in for the next week, as I had money on both The Saints and Patriots. I guess it's time to look through my book of recipes and let the neighborhood eateries know I won't be in for a bit.

Aaarrrggghhh!!!

I love to eat. I love good food. I just love good food that is brought to my table and presented by a good looking man or woman. What a world. What a world. What a world.

F*CK!!

Holster

January 21, 2007 - 07:40 PM

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So do I. It seems that Marcel's main fault is the inability to come up with a snappy comeback that would make others back down. For example, when Ilan made that comment about him never having had sex, Marcel could have said any number of things rather than remaining silent and containing his anger. For example,
"Look in the mirror,"
"Really? Well, you're clearly the world expert on not having sex,"
"Drop dead,"
"Har har, you're so funny I forgot to laugh,"
"Sticks and stones, you've got no cahones,"
"Time for your daily phone call home to Mommy," or
"Yeah, but at least I have a d.i.c.k."

Or, "Blow-up dolls don't count."

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January 21, 2007 - 07:41 PM

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Your guess is as good as mine, buddy. I have pretty much gone out of my way to avoid the boards these days but, every now and again, I flip through to see exactly what bad vibes are going down (it's like a bad car wreck that you don't want to see but...). So I do and the only thing I wonder is, except for the advanced vocabulary, are these people twelve years old, or something? It just doesn't seem like conduct becoming to an adult.

Sorry about your Saints. There was a point where I thought they might do it and then it all went to hell. What I find odd is that if The Patriots pull off their game it will be the same match up as the last time The Bears went to the Super Bowl. I think this may be a fitting end to an extremely odd and unexplainable week.

Peace and Love! <HUGS>

Ah Bear.....would a hug help????? Or at least some great cuisine???? *smile* After all, since my Chargers blew it last week, I don't have any favorite SuperBowl picks yet, plan on just enjoying the party!

CityGirl

January 21, 2007 - 07:48 PM

As to the whole discussion about whether Chef Tom saw the film "as is" or already edited to change the timeline when the producers told him about the fracas, I think he saw it in its original order. You may recall that he informed the other judges that the contestants all thought it would be a fun idea to gang up on Marcel and shave his head. When I was watching the episode unfold, It sounded to me like he was just giving the short version of the whole story. However, if he saw the raw film, that was exactly the truth.

And, it begs credulity to think that the producers quickly re-cut the film to put it in a different order before showing it to Chef Tom. They were probably so shocked that exactly how to do "damage control" hadn't even occurred to them just yet. Think about it. Each person who was brought into the loop would have the same reaction. "WHAT? You're sh*tting me, right? Oh. My. God. Really? No, REALLY? WTF!! I mean, WTF!!!" Their main discussion at that point in time would have been "[censored]. What the BLEEP do we do NOW????"

SimpleBear

January 21, 2007 - 07:52 PM

Only if you bring it to my house and tell me some good jokes while presenting it. Heehee!

No, really, thanks for the offer. I really appreciate the thought and, I'm damn certain the food would be delish.

<BIG BEAR HUGS>

Now, if I was told Nick Johnson would be healthy to be in the line up for the first Nationals game THAT would make me a very, very happy man. Last year I saw him eating at The Capital Grille and that is one hot [expletive deleted]. And ever so talented. A good combo.

In fact, could you cook and have him wheel it over to my house? <BIG BEAR GRIN>

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January 21, 2007 - 07:53 PM

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You'll have to ask Actor about the Saints...heard they were eaten by some bears.

See that is just totally funny Holster... and yup your right I just hope the have some floss to get my team that is still stuck in their teeth out...lol

Poor Actor, maybe if you ask them nice they will speeeet them out for you. lol

I think they already did that today LOL ate us and speet us out...was a great ride while it lasted. Can't tell you how much the Saints have ment to this city...oh well atleast we are a young team we always have next year only this time we will be top seed and have the bears on our home field....I hear bear is real good in gumbo... Anyway congrats to your team!

Thanks Actor. Don't really follow much any more. Son done grew up on me, 29 next month, and lives with his girl friend. So, been many years since I watched a game, just happen to hear who won while channel surfing as dinner cooked. Next year, you guys will kick booty!!

SimpleBear

January 21, 2007 - 07:59 PM

**....I hear Bear is real good in gumbo... **

I hate to tell ya'll this but sauces have never brought out the best in me. Now maybe a nice spice rub. LOL

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January 21, 2007 - 08:01 PM

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here's another wild conspiracy theory. I wonder if the winner will offer Marcel the money in apology? that'd be crazy.

There's about as much chance at that happening as there is for Betty to be asked to pose for Playboy. Given the brat pack's nasty greedy and deceptive past, the chances are beyond slim. Given Sam's begging for fan favorite votes because he's out of a job and "needs the cash" gives us some sense of their character.

But I don't think he'll need it nor would he accept it...he'll win all on his own with brilliant cooking.

I certainly hope so! I don't think they'd do it out of the kindness but b/c Bravo makes some deal with them!

Ok, even though I've read over 150 pages of this discussion, I missed that part. Since when is Sam out of a job? Was there an article or interview on that?

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January 21, 2007 - 08:03 PM

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As to the whole discussion about whether Chef Tom saw the film "as is" or already edited to change the timeline when the producers told him about the fracas, I think he saw it in its original order. You may recall that he informed the other judges that the contestants all thought it would be a fun idea to gang up on Marcel and shave his head. When I was watching the episode unfold, It sounded to me like he was just giving the short version of the whole story. However, if he saw the raw film, that was exactly the truth.

And, it begs credulity to think that the producers quickly re-cut the film to put it in a different order before showing it to Chef Tom. They were probably so shocked that exactly how to do "damage control" hadn't even occurred to them just yet. Think about it. Each person who was brought into the loop would have the same reaction. "WHAT? You're sh*tting me, right? Oh. My. God. Really? No, REALLY? WTF!! I mean, WTF!!!" Their main discussion at that point in time would have been "[censored]. What the BLEEP do we do NOW????"

OK, you gave my a great giggle before I hit the sack..can picture all the "WFT" comments too. I am sure they were all wondering if they were working for TC or WWF.

IronChef

January 21, 2007 - 08:05 PM

Watching "Barney Miller" every week was such a part of my childhood. "Officer Levitt," the "short" guy who was forever bucking for recognition from his peers, and a promotion from his captain, always made me laugh.

He's finally been "promoted:"

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Ron Carey, an actor best known for his work as a cocky, height-challenged policeman on the 1970s TV comedy "Barney Miller," has died. He was 71.

Carey died of a stroke Tuesday at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, said Michael Ciccolini, an extended relative and family spokesman.

Carey had a recurring role on "Barney Miller" from 1976 to 1982 as Officer Carl Levitt, who yearned for a promotion to detective in the New York squad room run by Capt. Barney Miller (Hal Linden).

Carey also appeared in several Mel Brooks movies, including "High Anxiety" and "History of the World Part I."

"Ron Carey was truly talented, very funny and one of the dearest men I've ever worked with," Brooks said in a statement.

Carey played a Boston cab driver in the 1970 Jack Lemmon comedy "The Out of Towners." He also appeared in scores of commercials, and took pride in being a supporting player and a character actor.

"Stars are stars," he told Newsday in 1989. "But without us, the show wouldn't go on."

Carey was born Ronald Joseph Cicenia on December 11, 1935, in Newark, New Jersey.

He launched his stand-up comedy career in New York after earning a bachelor's degree in communications from Seton Hall University in South Orange, New Jersey, in 1956. He made his first national television appearance a decade later on "The Merv Griffin Show." Appearances on "The Tonight Show" and the "Ed Sullivan Show" followed.

Carey is survived by his wife, Sharon, and his brother, Jimmy Cicenia.

sizzler

January 21, 2007 - 08:06 PM

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**....I hear Bear is real good in gumbo... **

I hate to tell ya'll this but sauces have never brought out the best in me. Now maybe a nice spice rub. LOL

For the bear...or for the BEAR?? lol...kinky

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January 21, 2007 - 08:08 PM

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ok, folks, hold onto your peppermills...Ilan and Marcel are best buds...

http://starbulletin.com/2007/01/21/feature...es/story01.html

Not only that but now Tom's a mentor?? Yarite!

"The heat is on as the Bravo cable contest "Top Chef" winds down at the Hilton Waikoloa Village. Above, finalist Ilan Hall consults with mentor and judge Tom Colicchio of Gramercy Tavern in New York City."

SimpleBear

January 21, 2007 - 08:09 PM

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I hate to tell ya'll this but sauces have never brought out the best in me. Now maybe a nice spice rub. LOL

And with that I'm going to bid you all a good night. Between screaming at the TV, Fixing Chili for dinner and playing with three dogs between the ages of 9 and 13 months I am one worn out daddy.

A 25 year old hubby who has dragged me to both "Dreamgirls" (very good) and "Pan's Labyrinth" (a classic) has not helped. Is it a contradiction to say they keep me young and, yet, wear me out? Oh, well.

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January 21, 2007 - 08:17 PM

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ok, folks, hold onto your peppermills...Ilan and Marcel are best buds...

http://starbulletin.com/2007/01/21/feature...es/story01.html

Not only that but now Tom's a mentor?? Yarite!

"The heat is on as the Bravo cable contest "Top Chef" winds down at the Hilton Waikoloa Village. Above, finalist Ilan Hall consults with mentor and judge Tom Colicchio of Gramercy Tavern in New York City."

I don't think Marcel and ilan are actually friends either lol

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../566693449.html

SimpleBear

January 21, 2007 - 08:18 PM

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Watching "Barney Miller" every week was such a part of my childhood. "Officer Levitt," the "short" guy who was forever bucking for recognition from his peers, and a promotion from his captain, always made me laugh.

He's finally been "promoted:"

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Ron Carey, an actor best known for his work as a cocky, height-challenged policeman on the 1970s TV comedy "Barney Miller," has died. He was 71.

Carey died of a stroke Tuesday at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, said Michael Ciccolini, an extended relative and family spokesman.

Carey had a recurring role on "Barney Miller" from 1976 to 1982 as Officer Carl Levitt, who yearned for a promotion to detective in the New York squad room run by Capt. Barney Miller (Hal Linden).

Carey also appeared in several Mel Brooks movies, including "High Anxiety" and "History of the World Part I."

"Ron Carey was truly talented, very funny and one of the dearest men I've ever worked with," Brooks said in a statement.

Carey played a Boston cab driver in the 1970 Jack Lemmon comedy "The Out of Towners." He also appeared in scores of commercials, and took pride in being a supporting player and a character actor.

"Stars are stars," he told Newsday in 1989. "But without us, the show wouldn't go on."

Carey was born Ronald Joseph Cicenia on December 11, 1935, in Newark, New Jersey.

He launched his stand-up comedy career in New York after earning a bachelor's degree in communications from Seton Hall University in South Orange, New Jersey, in 1956. He made his first national television appearance a decade later on "The Merv Griffin Show." Appearances on "The Tonight Show" and the "Ed Sullivan Show" followed.

Carey is survived by his wife, Sharon, and his brother, Jimmy Cicenia.

Aw, Man! I loved that guy. Every time I think of him in "High Anxiety" I break out in giggles. He's gonna be missed.

Now, good night.

Really.

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January 21, 2007 - 08:18 PM

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So do I. It seems that Marcel's main fault is the inability to come up with a snappy comeback that would make others back down. For example, when Ilan made that comment about him never having had sex, Marcel could have said any number of things rather than remaining silent and containing his anger. For example,
"Look in the mirror,"
"Really? Well, you're clearly the world expert on not having sex,"
"Drop dead,"
"Har har, you're so funny I forgot to laugh,"
"Sticks and stones, you've got no cahones,"
"Time for your daily phone call home to Mommy," or
"Yeah, but at least I have a d.i.c.k."

Or, "Blow-up dolls don't count."

OMG. I had tears running down my face!

brillke

January 21, 2007 - 08:28 PM

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...Sorry, I must've been fending off all those "you're a hypocrite" and "you're making me uncomfortable" and "you're trying to be a martyr" posts at the time. You know us mere mortals, we don't have the stamina or the omniscience you Olympians apparently do.

You've both been attacking each other for pages and pages. Was I supposed to take a side?

And let's not give credit where credit isn't due. I didn't post specifically to you to "live and let live." I posted it to everyone. I said "if we can't all forgive and forget, couldn't we at least just live and let live?"

That was a board-wide request, not a poster-specific one.

But, hey ... Gooooo Peace!!!

Regarding "You've both been attacking each other for pages and pages. Was I supposed to take a side?" Absolutely not true, and anybody who wants to review the past 30 pages or so can easily see that is true.

As I said, I signed on today and, since I signed off yesterday, there were pages of attacking posts. Today--after the pages and pages of posts--I answered two of brillke's more recent attack posts with what she spewed out, and then figured "that's it." It's a waste of time to post to someone who is at the point where their sole reason for posting to you is to attack you.

And about taking sides...I think it's obvious from my post to you that I felt you were taking sides in ignoring the pages of attack posts by brillke and WhatAJoke and then, when I answered one of brillke's attack posts, then and only then did you bring out the can't we all get along.

As I said before, I think there is a lot of misplaced anger going on. It must be hard to defend Sam, Ilan, Cliff or Elia at this point, and so the anger is turned outward to those criticizing them.

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IGNORED: WhatAJoke, brillke

How the hell are you ignoring me if youve said my name 4 times in a post that wasnt even to me?

You are not very good at this ignore thing deary. Watch me do it, k?

brillke

CityGirl

January 21, 2007 - 08:30 PM

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http://starbulletin.com/2007/01/21/feature...es/story01.html

Yah, right, they're best buds according to Ilan. That's like Cliff saying that Marcel is just like a little brother to him. It's just damage control.

You don't really think they'd suddenly be all kissy and friendly toward him, do you? Unless, of course, they are selfishly trying to rebuild the public's perception of themselves.

Fat chance, chefs. We now know you guys for the scheming, baiting, competitive, inconsiderate, bullies that you are. Marcel looks like a veritable choir boy next to you guys.

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January 21, 2007 - 08:31 PM

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Don't really care to be involved that much. Most of this stuff is just insane but if you go out of your way to say who is ignored then isn't that a contradiction in terms? Haven't you gone out of your way to NOT ignore them?

<shrugs>

Evening Bear!

Yeah what you said..I have no idea what is going on the boards I just got on and I think I left posting about 140 or so lol...Don't have the energy to go back and read...lol

Hope all is well in your neck of the woods!

Sorry to use your space but Swiss if you are on tonight just wanted to say congrats on your Bears they gave my saints a great big whoopin today.....Good luck to them in the Super Bowl.

Well Good evening everyone.

Sorry about your Saints hun. I wanted 3/4 teams to win the Superbowl, lol. I am a diehard Bears fan and adore Lovey Smith but I want Peyton and Tony to get a ring so go Colts!

brillke

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January 21, 2007 - 08:32 PM

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So do I. It seems that Marcel's main fault is the inability to come up with a snappy comeback that would make others back down. For example, when Ilan made that comment about him never having had sex, Marcel could have said any number of things rather than remaining silent and containing his anger. For example,
"Look in the mirror,"
"Really? Well, you're clearly the world expert on not having sex,"
"Drop dead,"
"Har har, you're so funny I forgot to laugh,"
"Sticks and stones, you've got no cahones,"
"Time for your daily phone call home to Mommy," or
"Yeah, but at least I have a d.i.c.k."

Or, "Blow-up dolls don't count."

OMG. I had tears running down my face!

So did the doll!

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January 21, 2007 - 08:34 PM

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Hubby's cousins do a lot of traveling. Bike shows, car shows, etc. They also go to Indy and Taladega (sp) Once a friend took a remote control car, removed the body and put a baby car seat on it. Then they put the dog in it and drove him around in the pit. Guess all the crews were taking pix and stuff. Sounded pretty cool.

WAS THINKING A LITTLE BIGGER

LIKE ONE OF THOSE 12V HUMMERS

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

Gosh, that would be TOO cute. Sounds like a great plan.

IF I COULD ONLY GET HER TO WEAR SHADES LOL

MY DOBI

HAD A "DRESS UP PERSONALLITY"

BOUGHT NECKLASSES, EARINGS, CLOTHES FOR HER LOL

NEEDLESS TO SAY GOT SOME FUNNY LOOKS

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

My little ones won't even wear a sweater...even my male who is always cold. Like dressing a tasmanin devil! And, they can shimmy out of them faster than a stripper!

The one that kills me is when I put the little booties on Leo and set him on the floor. All 4 legs go sprawling out as he lands on his tummy. When he finally gets up to his feet, he walks around vigorously shaking them one-by-one & looking at me like "MOM! How could you do this to me!" Its similar to sticking tape to the bottom of Maui's feet, but even funnier!

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