BravoBoardBoss
April 17, 2007 - 08:32 PM
The trainers take off for some R&R, but Doug's health deteriorates even more. Discuss Episode 205 of "Work Out" here.
lindalu
April 17, 2007 - 09:49 PM
QUOTE (BravoBoardBoss @ April 18, 2007 - 04:32 AM)

The trainers take off for some R&R, but Doug's health deteriorates even more. Discuss Episode 205 of "Work Out" here.
I love Jackie and I love the show when it's about "workout" tips. I don't like when half of show is about Jackie and Rebecca...I watch the show "workout" to learn what I need to do as I really respect Jackie and her commitment to workouts and her body. I Understand each show needs a little drama. But, come on! Isn't enough enough. Please cut down on the girl on girl and show more "workout" stuff with the clients. Again, i really respect Jackie and what she does. I would just like the editing to not be about sex half of the time..
TechN9ne77
April 17, 2007 - 10:08 PM
Man, this season has more therapy than anything. I know its supposed to create emotion or whatever, but jeez, I think I've seen enough generic "experts" counseling people enough. They hardly even mentioned Doug during this episode. It was more of the Jackie/Rebecca/Jesse affair, which is shockingly boring already. The rest was all mainly therapy sessions.
Ana
April 17, 2007 - 10:37 PM
I just want to knock Jackie out. She is so dumb. If anyone is ruinning her business she is doing it herself, with rebecca. I'm bored with the show, way to much lame relationship drama, way to little working out. Also way to lame of a portrayal of the gay community.
The end
whitedragon
April 17, 2007 - 10:46 PM
Its hard to hear folks say that they talked to Doug when in the end we know what has happened. The therapy sessions were an eyeopener. Im glad the trainers saw the talk as an eye opener and motivational. I can hardly wait to see what the results will be. I wish I could see the workout videos but I cant see them at home only at work, which is risking cause Im not sure whats being monitored. I figure if I work 16's on the weekend I can do something pyelometric during the slow times? so what about trainer recipes and cooking tips? just askin...
sharpguy
April 18, 2007 - 12:57 AM
Hey Jackie,
Your passion for your company really shows. Your trainers drama is over the top though, they need to get a grip. Rebecca(oh yeah).... I am sure what ever has played out has played out by now, but damn that girl is trouble. I can see bits of nice but rolled up in a ball of emotional barbedwire. Maybe you like trouble?

I am seeing a pattern, and I am just a boring old Bravo viewer. Well I guess we we all find out in a few more episodes.
Like the therapy in the episode, pretty cool.
Anyway, like you! Believe in you!
Kick those trainers' butts(except for Erica she seems ok)!, they need it. Man if I were there, I am pretty sure I would be pushing the hell out of the products your people and processes.. you have SO MUCH POTENTIAL with the show and your Ideas!
workoutqueen
April 18, 2007 - 02:36 AM
FIFTEEN POUNDS IN ONE MONTH?!?
Poor Tess. I think she and Gregg are right. There's practically NO WAY someone can do that, with the working out they were doing. Even if there was cheating in her diet.
Look, you can eat pizza and coke every meal for a week and still not gain weight like that.
But I do feel for her. The thing about her brother and her job - emotions CAN and DO get in the way. I think our mind can cause us to put on weight just as much as ice cream! lol!
Laurie is courageous, too - to tell the world about what happened to her family. I kind of resent Bravo for using it as the tease for next week, though. This was way worse than Doug's illness and eventual death. No Bravo.
All in all, though... at LEAST there was a larger focus on the world of trying to get fit!
redlands123
April 18, 2007 - 06:50 AM
QUOTE (TechN9ne77 @ April 17, 2007 - 10:08 PM)

Man, this season has more therapy than anything. I know its supposed to create emotion or whatever, but jeez, I think I've seen enough generic "experts" counseling people enough. They hardly even mentioned Doug during this episode. It was more of the Jackie/Rebecca/Jesse affair, which is shockingly boring already. The rest was all mainly therapy sessions.
I agree, there seems to be just too much drama, some of the characters seems to be acting & creating drama where there's no drama just to increase their personal air time.
aquariaqueen
April 18, 2007 - 07:32 AM
HI,
Regarding Rebecca and Jackie, Rebecca should have never gone to Jackie's room on the retreat.....this was business. As the business owner, you shouldn't combine the two. It makes your other employees uneasy. And it was evident, but you didn't take charge and tell Rebecca that it would be best to wait for another time.
Jackie and Tiffany and Rebecca. Jackie, you're sleeping with both. We have a name for you around here..... You think they're dumb enough to show us an eventual threesome?
The lack of training of clients for a couple weeks, Jackie needed to find out why her trainers weren't around. There were innuendos that it was the end of December, I think that's pretty common. Most people don't stick with many routines around the holidays, too many obligations, etc. Also, expect some depression from the trainers because of Doug. Maybe you needed the therapist to come to the gym and allow them to talk with her about that. Holidays and the failing health of a friend is a very devastating combination.
Jackie provided a wonderful retreat, she is a very smart, well intentioned human being. She's dedicated to her job, but I don't think she's very good at seeing that people have their own lives and emotions, she's more caught up in her own.
AKATUDE6
April 18, 2007 - 08:04 AM

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE RECIPE FOR JACKIE'S BREAKFAST SHAKE AND WHAT KIND OF PINK SWEATER DID SHE HAVE ON AT THE RETREAT THE TRAINERS AND CLIENTS HAD GONE TO. LOVE THE SWEATER!!!
aquariaqueen
April 18, 2007 - 08:25 AM
QUOTE (AKATUDE6 @ April 18, 2007 - 08:04 AM)


I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE RECIPE FOR JACKIE'S BREAKFAST SHAKE
The recipe is on another post, try 203 or 204. (Or are you spoofing me since it's been brought up so much.) I wouldn't drink that shake, it could make you gain 15 pounds in a month!!!! LOL
Yes, the sweater was pretty, wasn't it?
teezy08
April 18, 2007 - 10:30 AM
Everyone is giving Jackie a hard time about dating two women at once everyone just needs to get over it. If you don't like it then don't watch it. Come on now people do any of you watch the l word isn't it drama on that too. I have met lesbians who have dated two women at once but haven't been up front with them. Its all about honesty. I have dated two women at once. As long as no on gets hurt what's the problem. The point of dating is to find the one you want to be with. As far as the lady gaining fifteen pounds in one month that's why they are a part of sky lab because they have serious weight problems. And anyone knows you can workout real hard and eat right but once you stop the weight is going to come back. That lady is lying to herself. All in all I just love the show its good to see lesbians in the mainstream. And I hate to say it but when when two women date its always going to be drama its top many emotions going on. At least that's what I have experienced.
aquariaqueen
April 18, 2007 - 10:36 AM
I don't care if you're heterosexual or homosexual, dating two people at the same time would question that person's faithfulness in the future.
Tiffany came back into her life, find out if she's the one you want before starting another relationship.
How can one really ascertain if someone is right for them if they aren't committed to that relationship to see if it blooms. Dating two people creates mixed emotions, and doesn't allow the others to feel special. They'll never feel secure.
Sounds like a trainwreck to me.
rxgrrl
April 18, 2007 - 10:40 AM
15 pounds in one month! I think this woman is going thru hormone problems. Maybe it's water weight from something. I wondered if she had been training alot, maybe it's 15 pounds of muscle? I felt sorry for her.
If I had been Rebecca I would have thrown a glass of water in Jesse's face too for calling me that name! He needs to STFU and mind his own business!
tracy727
April 18, 2007 - 11:56 AM
now I know this show is fake. why in the world would Rebecca and Jesse end up right across from one another during the dinner. given the fact that the just had an argument/disagreement - i think the water throwing thing was set up. Also I am getting more and more apalled with jackie. I don;t see anything wrong with dating an employee in the gym business but what was that high school boy thing that she said to rebecca - I'll protect you . it was like something a high school boy would say while he is trying to get into someone's pants. it was very staged. I do think Jesse is a little too bothered about jackie's private affairs . its getting weird now - is Jesse in love with Jackie ? and its obvious jackie is playing rebecca and tiffany against eachother. If someone is not your gf and you are going aaway for weekend why can;t you just say hey I am going away i will call you when i get back. was it really necessary for tiffany to call Jackie or for jackie to answer the call. it looked staged to me. I was never one to say this show was more phony than real but last nights episode came across very phony. They all seemed like actors.
workoutqueen
April 18, 2007 - 11:56 AM
[As far as the lady gaining fifteen pounds in one month that's why they are a part of sky lab because they have serious weight problems. And anyone knows you can workout real hard and eat right but once you stop the weight is going to come back. That lady is lying to herself. All in all I just love the show its good to see lesbians in the mainstream. And I hate to say it but when when two women date its always going to be drama its top many emotions going on. At least that's what I have experienced.
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As stated before. Fifteen pounds in one month is impossible.
Also, if it IS a hormone problem, wouldn't you address that in the show instead of blowing it out of porportion? C'mon. This show is better than that crap.
tracy727
April 18, 2007 - 11:57 AM
QUOTE (lindalu @ April 17, 2007 - 09:49 PM)

I love Jackie and I love the show when it's about "workout" tips. I don't like when half of show is about Jackie and Rebecca...I watch the show "workout" to learn what I need to do as I really respect Jackie and her commitment to workouts and her body. I Understand each show needs a little drama. But, come on! Isn't enough enough. Please cut down on the girl on girl and show more "workout" stuff with the clients. Again, i really respect Jackie and what she does. I would just like the editing to not be about sex half of the time..
its obvious what this show is - why can;t you find another resource to get your tips ? its not like the tips they are offerring are on point anyway.
aquariaqueen
April 18, 2007 - 12:00 PM
This is not a work out show, it's a show revolving around people in a gym. It's like saying 90210 is a show about a zipcode!!!
tracy727
April 18, 2007 - 12:00 PM
QUOTE (Ana @ April 17, 2007 - 10:37 PM)

I just want to knock Jackie out. She is so dumb. If anyone is ruinning her business she is doing it herself, with rebecca. I'm bored with the show, way to much lame relationship drama, way to little working out. Also way to lame of a portrayal of the gay community.
The end
why would jackie's affairs reflect poorly on the gay community ? this is why we have prejudice and sillyness. you can;t look at ones persons behavior - good or bad - and think it somehow reflects on the behavior of a whole group of people. also its unfair to ask someone in a minority group to live their life with that type of pressure or responsibility . Jackie does not speak for the lesbian communinity she speaks for herself. lmao at you people
tracy727
April 18, 2007 - 12:05 PM
QUOTE (aquariaqueen @ April 18, 2007 - 10:36 AM)

I don't care if you're heterosexual or homosexual, dating two people at the same time would question that person's faithfulness in the future.
Tiffany came back into her life, find out if she's the one you want before starting another relationship.
How can one really ascertain if someone is right for them if they aren't committed to that relationship to see if it blooms. Dating two people creates mixed emotions, and doesn't allow the others to feel special. They'll never feel secure.
Sounds like a trainwreck to me.
jackie is dating two people she is not in a committed relationship with two people - you do get the difference don;t you ? there are some lame desperate people that think just because you are dating a person you are in a relationship - not true. i do think its important to be honest with people and both tiffany and rebecca know jackie is dating . how is that a reflection on how she would be in a committed relationship ? the first thing i look for in a potential partner is honesty - and jackie is being honest.
aquariaqueen
April 18, 2007 - 12:31 PM
I guess you are calling me lame. I've been called worse....maybe you'll escalate to that soon.
Jackie's being honest. Guess Rebecca and Tiffany don't mind it, but someone's going to get hurt, just wait and see. I guess if I'm falling in love with someone, I sure as heck don't want to be constantly competing.
tracy727
April 18, 2007 - 01:26 PM
QUOTE (aquariaqueen @ April 18, 2007 - 12:31 PM)

I guess you are calling me lame. I've been called worse....maybe you'll escalate to that soon.
Jackie's being honest. Guess Rebecca and Tiffany don't mind it, but someone's going to get hurt, just wait and see. I guess if I'm falling in love with someone, I sure as heck don't want to be constantly competing.
there are two people in every situation your needs don;t come before the other person's . and you always have a choice don;t you ? rebecca and tiffany knowing the truth have a choice. yes someone can get hurt - but thats life - people get hurt in relationships and out of them as well. Maturity is a powerful thing - if you know your needs , desires and hopes don;t line up with the needs ,hopes and desires of another person then don;t date them. Rebecca is already bothered by the situation and jackie seems to be playing it up but Rebecca should take care of herself.
Sabbygirl2000
April 18, 2007 - 02:03 PM
Jackie's ego is too much for me this season. I no longer like her. I think she's a good trainer if you are already in shape, but she seems to suck at knowing how to deal with fat people. I was surprised she put them all on the same calorie restrictions (male, female, obese, etc.).
It sounded like everyone went on vacation around Christmas/New Year's -- who doesn't go on vacation then? And, if she's running the gym shouldn't she know when her trainers are on vacation?
Jesse is amusing and adds pizzazz to the shows, although his intense concern for Jackie's love life is a strange.
I like Gregg more and more.
Rebecca is now a *yawn*. I'm bored already with the J-R relationship. I couldn't stand Mimi but at least she guaranteed high drama.
aquariaqueen
April 18, 2007 - 02:37 PM
Oh, I can't wait for the next episode when you see that they talked Erika into a look-alike contest! Angelina Jolie, dead ringer!!!! I love to watch Erika, very observant, she talks with her facial expressions.
I think this show needs more Erika, Zen, Gregg, Andre' (love his perked eyebrow thing) and Peeler. And as much loveable footage of Doug.
TechN9ne77
April 18, 2007 - 04:46 PM
You know my whole thing with this dating two people at one thing is when a guy does it it's dogging someone out. So how is it different when Jackie does it? Jackie is playing both of them off each other. And you can play a person's emotion off by doing that. Tiff seems to be going for something serious, I don't know what Rebecca is trying to do, who knows. Actually, she's got what's coming to her. From the moment Jackie made a fool of her at the dinner table and she still wants to be all in her face, it's her fault if she gets used and tossed. I mean, if a girl just brushed me off the minute another person came up, I sure as hell wouldn't be right back in her face the next morning. Not to mention Rebecca has consistently contradicted herself on a number of occasions. You can't say 'I'm not jealous at all, I like Jackie for who she is, blah, blah, and that really has no effect on me. Then the next minute you're a 'little bit bothered' by Tiffany calling Jackie at the resort. She sees how Jackie treated her when Tiff came around, now she's competing for attention. It's basically competition now. A 'I'm going to make Jackie like me more than you' kinda thing.
It has been mentioned that Jackie has been honest. No, she hasn't. After everyone left the table, didn't Tiffany and Jackie have a conversation with Jackie saying that Rebecca knew that Tiffany was back in her life? Isn't that insinuating that Tiff is who she is attempting to get back/reconcile with? If she was being honest like people say, would she really claim to like them both equally (which happened in an upcoming episode). It's simple. When it's just her and Rebecca, she tells Rebecca what she wants to hear, so she can keep that going. And we saw what happened when Tiff came around, Rebecca got the 2nd-rate treatment. But take all the 'it's okay/not okay to date two people at the same time out' anyway and it's still ridiculous to be dating one of your employees (uh, discrimination?) and even worse to be making out right in front of them.
tracy727
April 18, 2007 - 05:05 PM
QUOTE (TechN9ne77 @ April 18, 2007 - 04:46 PM)

You know my whole thing with this dating two people at one thing is when a guy does it it's dogging someone out. So how is it different when Jackie does it? Jackie is playing both of them off each other. And you can play a person's emotion off by doing that. Tiff seems to be going for something serious, I don't know what Rebecca is trying to do, who knows. Actually, she's got what's coming to her. From the moment Jackie made a fool of her at the dinner table and she still wants to be all in her face, it's her fault if she gets used and tossed. I mean, if a girl just brushed me off the minute another person came up, I sure as hell wouldn't be right back in her face the next morning. Not to mention Rebecca has consistently contradicted herself on a number of occasions. You can't say 'I'm not jealous at all, I like Jackie for who she is, blah, blah, and that really has no effect on me. Then the next minute you're a 'little bit bothered' by Tiffany calling Jackie at the resort. She sees how Jackie treated her when Tiff came around, now she's competing for attention. It's basically competition now. A 'I'm going to make Jackie like me more than you' kinda thing.
It has been mentioned that Jackie has been honest. No, she hasn't. After everyone left the table, didn't Tiffany and Jackie have a conversation with Jackie saying that Rebecca knew that Tiffany was back in her life? Isn't that insinuating that Tiff is who she is attempting to get back/reconcile with? If she was being honest like people say, would she really claim to like them both equally (which happened in an upcoming episode). It's simple. When it's just her and Rebecca, she tells Rebecca what she wants to hear, so she can keep that going. And we saw what happened when Tiff came around, Rebecca got the 2nd-rate treatment. But take all the 'it's okay/not okay to date two people at the same time out' anyway and it's still ridiculous to be dating one of your employees (uh, discrimination?) and even worse to be making out right in front of them.
I think its considered dogging out when the two women or two people don;t know. Jackie has said in front of rebecca that they are not in a relationship. Tiffany knows she is dating Rebecca. 2nd we don;t know how rebecca and tiffany fill their time either they each could have boyfriends for all we know. I still don;t understand Rebecca's comment about sexual feelings for a man is like steak where as sexual feelings for jackie is like fries - i heard alot but have no idea what she meant by that.
Tiffany does not seem to be going for something serious by the way they talk and describe their last relationship it seemed one sided - like jackie cared alot more. Tiffany , to me doesn;t even seem to be into the kisses . my guess she is back on the scene for camera time. I don;t understand today's time when everyone gets nervous when the person they are dating is dating other people - simple solution - date other people yourself, be ok with it or move on. I don;t get it. I think its about insecurity. Dating one person is too much like being in a relationship - I thought everyone agreed Jackie didn;t need to jump into another relationship. all people - males ,females,straight , gay need to date first before jumping into a relationship.
compatissant
April 18, 2007 - 06:00 PM
I loved this show last season and couldn't wait until the new season started. What a disappointment! It's totally boring, Rebecca is boring -I find myself fast forwarding through most of it. This may be my last season if not my last episode of watching.
Diane
aquariaqueen
April 18, 2007 - 07:37 PM
QUOTE (compatissant @ April 18, 2007 - 06:00 PM)

This may be my last season if not my last episode of watching.
Diane
Hang in there for a couple more episodes, if only for Doug's sake. And don't forget, there are other good characters on this show, I just wish there would be more character development of the others.
Superhero
April 18, 2007 - 09:02 PM
Ok, ok. Enough arguing about whether it's "acceptable" to date two people. They're all adults - who cares?
This was the first episode that actually had any substance. While there still wasn't a whole lot of working out, at least they're beginning to deal with the issues that plague us all in some way when it comes to food. I give the SkyLabbers a lot of credit for going on naitonal television and airing their "dirty laundry".
How great was Carol's face plant in the snow?? LOL! At least she wasn't alone, Peeler took a dive too. Zen and Carol look like they have a lot of fun while they work out. Can you believe she drives over 50 miles to see Zen at least 5 days a week?? That's dedication!! GO CAROL!
And yea, it's physically impossible to gain 15 pounds in one month. I think the producers are mindf***ing Tess. Keep your head up Tess!!
ohiofarmgirl
April 18, 2007 - 09:38 PM
QUOTE (Superhero @ April 18, 2007 - 09:02 PM)

And yea, it's physically impossible to gain 15 pounds in one month. I think the producers are mindf***ing Tess. Keep your head up Tess!!
There are a lot of things to take into consideration when relying on either a scale or someone's (usually not someone associated with the medical community) interpretation of body fat percentages.
Women menstruate. The estrous cycle leads to water retention in most women. Where was Tess in her menstrual cycle when they weighed her and did body fat percentages? If it were within one week prior to one week after...her weights and body fat percentages will fluctuate.
There are medical conditions that could allow for that weight gain, but who would you rather consult?
I think it's a poor representation of the science of human performance and the fitness industry to have anyone attempt to evaluate and/or interpret test results without the education to back it up.
Who has that education? Exercise Physiologists? Physical Therapists? Some Doctors? You have to go to an acredited school of higher education for anywhere from 4 to 10 years to be able to understand the implications and results of these relitively simple tests, as well as the implications into the overall health and well-being of the individual who was tested.
If you check out the posted credentials of these sub-"D"-list actors, you would find a bunch of ackronyms for certifications earned through mail-order colleges...yeah, the ones where you can get your BA or MA and never attend a single class...are you getting the picture yet? Is the wool coming down from your eyes?
For those of you who don't understand this; go back to your Reader's Digest version of reality. All I ask is that you quit giving out ill conceived advice regarding diet and exercise without knowing the implications. Someone's going to get hurt.
ceedeeare
April 18, 2007 - 09:58 PM
QUOTE (BravoBoardBoss @ April 17, 2007 - 08:32 PM)

The trainers take off for some R&R, but Doug's health deteriorates even more. Discuss Episode 205 of "Work Out" here.
Jackie, don't you remember what happened to Ellen and Rosie when their TV shows suddenly were all about their gayness? Be careful.
ceedeeare
April 18, 2007 - 10:04 PM
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ April 18, 2007 - 09:38 PM)

There are a lot of things to take into consideration when relying on either a scale or someone's (usually not someone associated with the medical community) interpretation of body fat percentages.
Women menstruate. The estrous cycle leads to water retention in most women. Where was Tess in her menstrual cycle when they weighed her and did body fat percentages? If it were within one week prior to one week after...her weights and body fat percentages will fluctuate.
There are medical conditions that could allow for that weight gain, but who would you rather consult?
I think it's a poor representation of the science of human performance and the fitness industry to have anyone attempt to evaluate and/or interpret test results without the education to back it up.
Who has that education? Exercise Physiologists? Physical Therapists? Some Doctors? You have to go to an acredited school of higher education for anywhere from 4 to 10 years to be able to understand the implications and results of these relitively simple tests, as well as the implications into the overall health and well-being of the individual who was tested.
If you check out the posted credentials of these sub-"D"-list actors, you would find a bunch of ackronyms for certifications earned through mail-order colleges...yeah, the ones where you can get your BA or MA and never attend a single class...are you getting the picture yet? Is the wool coming down from your eyes?
For those of you who don't understand this; go back to your Reader's Digest version of reality. All I ask is that you quit giving out ill conceived advice regarding diet and exercise without knowing the implications. Someone's going to get hurt.
I also found Gregg's response to Tess' weight gain weak and unprofessional. It is obvious he has little or no real nutritional or exercise physiology education....She gained 15 pounds because she ate about 1900 calories too much every day for a month. Working out or not, if you take in more than you are expending, it is stored as fat!!! Duh!! Why was he BSing poor Tess AND undermining Jackie's authority????
ohiofarmgirl
April 18, 2007 - 10:27 PM
QUOTE (ceedeeare @ April 18, 2007 - 10:04 PM)

I also found Gregg's response to Tess' weight gain weak and unprofessional. It is obvious he has little or no real nutritional or exercise physiology education....She gained 15 pounds because she ate about 1900 calories too much every day for a month. Working out or not, if you take in more than you are expending, it is stored as fat!!! Duh!! Why was he BSing poor Tess AND undermining Jackie's authority????
Ummmm....errr......they are all BSing. Not fair to single out one person. Jackie is NOT an authority on anything. It is impossible to undermine someone who is not an authority.
Be very careful what you say about caloric intake without having explicit knowledge of the individual's medical history
tracy727
April 18, 2007 - 11:27 PM
it is not physically impossible to gain 15 pounds in one month ???? i know people that go on cruises for a week and gain 7 pounds . you don;t know her condition when she did the original weigh in - maybe she didn;t eat anything that day because she knew she was weighing and one month later she had no ides jackie was going to weigh her so she probably ate quite the breakfast. that difference alone can account for 5 pounds.
janeedie
April 18, 2007 - 11:47 PM
This is one of the most phony shows I've seen. Gross, ugly people and personalities.
aquariaqueen
April 19, 2007 - 12:03 AM
QUOTE (ceedeeare @ April 18, 2007 - 09:58 PM)

Jackie, don't you remember what happened to Ellen and Rosie when their TV shows suddenly were all about their gayness? Be careful.
Ellen broke new ground....to which many woman and men should thank her. I am so glad she now has a successful show, I hope she continues. It's quality, and fun.
I think Rosie's show's problem was she was giving her opinion on everything. She strayed from the format that made her the Queen of Nice and all things fun, to always having her slant on everything.
I watched her daily, faithfully, for the first year, maybe two, even went to NYC to see two of her shows, caught some koosh balls in the audience, had a great time. Slowly, what she started out as a format like Merv Griffin's; jokes, fun, and interviews, started being her soapbox.
The worst for me was setting up Tom Selleck when he was a guest. And don't get me started about "the View".
Jackie being a lesbian doesn't bother me...her actions do. I guess I have a little too much white in my hair. I still believe if you're having sex with someone, it's because there's a commitment. Maybe even an act of love????(darn, I'm old, I tell ya) So when she's sleeping with two different people, and one being her employee which makes it even a little worse, I guess I find it cheating.
Now I think I need to go back to my bed of nails...good night.
workoutqueen
April 19, 2007 - 01:24 AM
QUOTE (tracy727 @ April 18, 2007 - 11:27 PM)

it is not physically impossible to gain 15 pounds in one month ???? i know people that go on cruises for a week and gain 7 pounds .
That is water weight. You can't - just CAN'T - put on 7 pounds of fat in one week!
And if Tess were eating 1900 extra calories, but burning at LEAST 350 calories in a workout, well the math would look something like this:
BMR (estimated on her body size) 2500
+ 1900
= 4400 calories
That would HAVE to be a someone who eats constantly, all day, fatty foods and never exercises.
Then you subract a low-caloric workout: -350
you get Tess eating FOUR THOUSAND FIFTY CALORIES PER DAY
Near impossible.
Somebody screwed up.
Triggerman
April 19, 2007 - 05:00 AM
Unlike the previous poster, I have no problem when the show is more about the relationships than the workouts. That is why it is a "show". Otherwise, I would just sit in my gym and watch people work out. Inspiring, maybe. Good TV, not really. Besides the fact that the trainers are not really that good, with a few exceptions, it is nice to see that some of the SkyLab participants are motivated to make a positive change in their lives. Is that not what it is really all about? If you watch the show to learn workout tips, they are few and far between. The fun is the drama, and that is in large supply.
Triggerman
April 19, 2007 - 05:21 AM
Hey Hey Hey....
Why all the namecalling? It is a "show" after all. It is about the personalities, not a primer on how to get in shape. If it inspires you, fantastic!!! If you want to nitpick about caloie counts, I suggest you get back to the gym. Get a life. I train people of all sizes and all shapes every day. Everyone is different, for a thousand different reasons. It ain't about what a BigMac will do to you. I love the show because it makes me remember why I started going to the gym in the first place, and I have been in the gym almost daily for 30 years. I am 43, going on 44. I enjoy the journey, the friends I have made, the faces I see each day. How many calories I burn per exercise, or how fat I can get in a week, who cares? It is about an OVERALL healthy lifestyle, whether I am 15% bodyfat or 4%. I admire anyone who walks through the door and says today I will TRY and make a difference.
Shooter
Triggerman
April 19, 2007 - 05:44 AM
Ohiofarmgirl,
I do not really disagree with anything you have posted. I also believe that a bunch of BS initials behind your name does not mean much. Anyone can be "accredited" nowadays by any number of groups that just want a few bucks to accredit people. But what is your knowledge based on? I know people with BA's and Master's as well as doctorates that really do not know much about fitness. True, they have degrees in this and that, but what does that mean? What degrees did Bill Pearl and John Grimeck have? Those guys knew fitness. Seriously knew fitness in a way that most trainers today will never know. Education is important, but I will take a trainer that has a proven track record over some guy or gal that comes out of Cornell spouting theories any day.
Seriously, I think you are too hard on Jackie. In 30 years in the gym, as a wrestler, boxer, bodybuilder and powerlifter, I have learned one thing. Fitness is easy, motivation is hard. Jackie motivates people to get off the couch and into the gym. That is 99% of the battle. I say that with all respect to you. The most knowledgable person will not get me to workout, the most enthusiastic will.
With great respect,
Shooter
ohiofarmgirl
April 19, 2007 - 08:58 AM
QUOTE (Triggerman @ April 19, 2007 - 05:44 AM)

Ohiofarmgirl,
I do not really disagree with anything you have posted. I also believe that a bunch of BS initials behind your name does not mean much. Anyone can be "accredited" nowadays by any number of groups that just want a few bucks to accredit people. But what is your knowledge based on? I know people with BA's and Master's as well as doctorates that really do not know much about fitness. True, they have degrees in this and that, but what does that mean? What degrees did Bill Pearl and John Grimeck have? Those guys knew fitness. Seriously knew fitness in a way that most trainers today will never know. Education is important, but I will take a trainer that has a proven track record over some guy or gal that comes out of Cornell spouting theories any day.
Seriously, I think you are too hard on Jackie. In 30 years in the gym, as a wrestler, boxer, bodybuilder and powerlifter, I have learned one thing. Fitness is easy, motivation is hard. Jackie motivates people to get off the couch and into the gym. That is 99% of the battle. I say that with all respect to you. The most knowledgable person will not get me to workout, the most enthusiastic will.
With great respect,
Shooter
Shooter,
Thank you for the response. I applaud your efforts in and out of the gym...Awesome!
Here's my beef: Folks with absolutely NO background or education in the science and medical fields testing, evaluating, and prescribing for unsuspecting, despirate people.
Without a complete medical history of the individual and an understanding of human anatomy, physiology, and kinesiology, no respectful practitioner could or would possibly make any of the statements and judgments a lot of people in these forums and the characters on the show are making.
Geeze-O-Pete! Just because I happen to own a wrench, does it make me a qualified mechanic? It honestly bothers me to see all these uneducated, unqualified people making snap judgements and issuing ill conceived advice to the folks out there who may be seriously looking for help. Everyone seems to want to be an "authority" on the subject.
Honestly, if folks are out there looking for ways to improve their physical health, the best advice for a good first step is to see your physician and make sure you know and understand any medical limitations you must deal with.
If you are going to hire a trainer, research his or her credentials. Don't go on face value. I spent a lot of time and effort (6years) of my life studying in the field of exercise physiology. The most important thing I've learned; we are all unique. What may work for one person may not work for someone else. I lift 4 nights a week and do cardio every day. Why? Because it works for me...period. I would never think to suggest to someone else to do what I do without proper prescreening and testing.
mominpa
April 19, 2007 - 10:49 AM
Good day all.

I thought this episode was great. When peeler and Carol fell in the snow I laughed my ass off. And the ice skating rink was hysterical. All of it made this episode enjoyable. And I must be old to because honest or not I agree with some of the other posters that what Jacky is doing with Rebecca and Tiffany is NOT ok. Go with one or the other, not both at the same time. It's just, Wrong.
aquariaqueen
April 19, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Welcome, MominPa!!!!!!!!!! Come back often.
meshell112803
April 19, 2007 - 01:34 PM
Ok so she have gained a little to much weight. Ok you many or all say unlikly well. my mother has a problem with her thyroid and she gain 12 lbs in one month.That is possible
Ok the J&R&T thing it not a total bad situation. you have to look some other issuess. They live in Cal that is fast paced state. People move , fall out and in love , find jobs and lose jobs, and they can Party really hard. All in one day. Maybe in Cal it is common to date more than one person. I have. it did not make me a bad person. I had sex with more than one person, I am still human I have flaws, But i would never say i regret. i have made mistakes.
This show is about finding yourself. Whether it is by working out, eating right, trying new things, being in multi relationships, or losing someone and or something that has helped you and made you ok with who u are. Your rock yout stablity. Its What makes you work. Jackie has fallen out of a bad relationship. She has regressed in her dating personality and just wants to have fun. She may not have thought things completely through but that is what freedom to express and live can do to a person when they have not had the chance to feel it. Give her a chance. Rebecca is jealous and i am not sure how to think abut it yet. playing gay and being gay are to extremely different things. I am sure u all know. I just hope that it works for them and if not they have communicated enough that it wont hurt the business.
We are not able to follow these people everyday of there lives and if we could you would not be left with unfilled questions. Each show is different. You can take what you from a show and process it so it works for you. If it is "working out" then well maybe this might not be the show for you, but take it as u wish.
Jackie's skylab clients have seen a physican. they know why they are there. The one gentleman is there because his weight is so bad he may die. And tess is there becasue she has seen a doctor and she has gained. I know what u are saying about people with certificates and all that, but come on people. I dont believe that tess's trainer does not know anything about nutrition. It was tesses reaction. He did not know how to react to it. It is like going to see a doctor this method didnt work now what can we do to change it. It may not have shown it, but i am sure that it was not left haning.
If you dont like the show then dont watch it. If you chose to watch the show. Instead of judging all the this things that may not be perfert find something in it that may effect you or help you. advice comes in small packages and between lines. you can interpret life and the things that out in a box or outside of a box. All shows have their ups and downs.
Sorry if there are some grammar mistakes and misspelling. i was in a hurry Michelle
ohiofarmgirl
April 19, 2007 - 02:23 PM
[quote name='meshell112803' date='April 19, 2007 - 01:34 PM' post='173139']
Jackie's skylab clients have seen a physican. they know why they are there. The one gentleman is there because his weight is so bad he may die. And tess is there becasue she has seen a doctor and she has gained. I know what u are saying about people with certificates and all that, but come on people. I dont believe that tess's trainer does not know anything about nutrition. It was tesses reaction. He did not know how to react to it. It is like going to see a doctor this method didnt work now what can we do to change it. It may not have shown it, but i am sure that it was not left haning.
Michelle,
That's my point. There are folks in here making too many assumptions. There are also people in here asking some specific medical issue questions and getting really bizarre answers from folks who either got their education by mail-order or are reiterating what they heard from someone else in a similar situation. It's not the show that bothers me. It's pretty darned funny. It's the generic unmedically sound advice that gets dished out on the show as well as in these forums. As responsible, rational, intelligent adults, we should all be able to separate the fact from the fiction.
workoutqueen
April 19, 2007 - 02:24 PM
QUOTE (meshell112803 @ April 19, 2007 - 01:34 PM)

Jackie's skylab clients have seen a physican. they know why they are there. The one gentleman is there because his weight is so bad he may die. And tess is there becasue she has seen a doctor and she has gained.
How do you know that they have seen physicians?
Are you part of the Bravo production?
If so, could you please clarify some of the unethical practices shown on the show as addressed by entries on this weeks episode?
I am a fan, but I also have a background in nutrition and fitness, and some of this just doesn't make any sense.
tracy727
April 19, 2007 - 03:33 PM
QUOTE (workoutqueen @ April 19, 2007 - 01:24 AM)

That is water weight. You can't - just CAN'T - put on 7 pounds of fat in one week!
And if Tess were eating 1900 extra calories, but burning at LEAST 350 calories in a workout, well the math would look something like this:
BMR (estimated on her body size) 2500
+ 1900
= 4400 calories
That would HAVE to be a someone who eats constantly, all day, fatty foods and never exercises.
Then you subract a low-caloric workout: -350
you get Tess eating FOUR THOUSAND FIFTY CALORIES PER DAY
Near impossible.
Somebody screwed up.
I'm sorry did Jackie say she gained 15 pounds of fat in one month or did she just weigh her - the scale can;t tell if it water weight or fat - she gained 15 pounds in one month - its not impossible - lmao.
weezie87
April 20, 2007 - 10:32 AM
QUOTE (BravoBoardBoss @ April 17, 2007 - 09:32 PM)

The trainers take off for some R&R, but Doug's health deteriorates even more. Discuss Episode 205 of "Work Out" here.
I agree, I agree, I agree!!!!!!
I liked the last epi better, because it deatl more with Sky Lab. I really want to see more of what Jackie and the
trainers are going to do to get them into shape. I too am just starting a work out regime and I really like Jackies views and tips.
While I don't mind getting to know Jackie and the other trainers on a more personal level, I truly enjoy watching the professinal side more.
bodytechusa
April 20, 2007 - 04:05 PM
I just watched the episode of workout when Jackie Warner asked the new Sky-Lab clients to do a weigh-in because she suspected the trainers and clients were slacking. Big mistake!
As an (ISSA) certified trainer, I was surprised she freeked out about the weight gains. Muscle weighs more than fat. If anything, Jackie should have emphasised muslce to fat ratios, and test percent body fats. There’s nothing like a complete meltdown of a client’s self-esteem – nice job!
Almost everyone on a weight training program will gain some muscle. Educate your clients!
Greg tried to explain this to her, but was shot down. Sorry for venting, but so many people are watch to gain tips on fitness training and nutrition, it just irritating!
Scott
www.bodytechusa.com
ohiofarmgirl
April 20, 2007 - 04:59 PM
Hi Scott,
This comes directly from the ISSA Website. I just wanted to find out what ISSA is. I had emailed the people on the show to find out if any of them held any certification. No one has emailed me from the show as yet:
Q: What is a personal trainer legally able to do? A: Personal Training deals with the art and science of physical conditioning combined with healthful behavior modification techniques that are preventive in nature, but not corrective, therapeutic, or rehabilitative. There is focus on the use of passive, active, and resistive exercise to maintain and improve human function. In addition, trainers can work with technologies that include:
- Health and fitness assessments and testing procedures;
- Injury recognition, appraisal, preliminary treatment, and instruction; and
- Counseling on wellness and public health issues, including:
<LI type=a>Weight management
<LI type=a>Smoking cessation
<LI type=a>Nutritional counseling
- Stress management; and
- Disease prevention.
At the date this was revised, there is no licensing for personal fitness professionals in the United States. A certificate does not constitute a license to practice medicine. Unless you are already a licensed health care practitioner, it is important not to present yourself as a physician in any manner. Industry recognition, memberships, and liability insurance is available to ISSA graduates. Students should investigate the laws within the state in which they reside.
When a client comes to a personal trainer for health support for a particular problem, they will have received a diagnosis from a primary health care physician. If not, they should do so. The trainer can educate the client on health and fitness which can complement any treatment prescribed by the primary health care physician. The focus of a trainer is not on disease or illness, but on fitness and health allowing the body to heal itself. Many primary health care physicians are willing to work with personal trainers to achieve the best overall plan for the client.
As a personal trainer, it is important to remember that your suggestions are complimentary to a primary health care physician. A personal trainer cannot diagnose a client as having a particular illness, or purport to treat or cure any disease. This constitutes practicing medicine without a license. However, there is a large scope for a personal trainer to educate the client without stepping over that line.
Note that if you are a health care practitioner, you may be able to adjunct your new training to your existing practice. Many RNs, MDs, Physical Therapists and Pharmacists take the courses for this purpose.
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