Tonight's episode of "Work Out" is an especially sad one. Please post your thoughts about it here.

Interesting how the Jesse and the Colt model, just randomly speaking, had two totally different perspectives on fighting the war. Pretty much like the US I guess.

WTH is up with Gregg, my god get over it already, you dated casually, she's just not that into you dude!

Does anyone else think it's kind of tacky that the so called Doug episode is just the final scene tacked on at the end that was in the previews anyway, and is really a teaser for the next episode. I mean, gmafb Bravo, have some dignity.

I totally agree with you about Doug's passing. I think it is terrible that it was the last 5 seconds and it was what we have been seeing on the previews. I understand that they want to save it for the "season finale" but common, have a little more respect then that. I love the show but I think that sucked!

As someone who has family in this war, I find it strange how the "Colt model" (aka: porn model) says that the moral is low due to not finding any weapons of mass distruction. Yet the re-enlisting rate over there is at an all time high.

I guess Jesse was right about military personel having different opinions about the war. Lucky for us, not all of them are like the "Colt model".

[/color][color="#800080"]If Jackie will allow it, can the cemetery where her Dad's buried be known? I live in the Dayton area and I can't be sure, but it looked to me like the Veteran's cemetery near downtown Dayton. I'd be honored to visit him and leave a token for her from time to time!

uh zitro...thats very kind of you, but thats a personal place for jackie and its just off bounds. We in the viewing world need to respect the privacy of public individuals. Thats her family and we need to respect that...Im sure, if she were reading this, is touched by the gesture but still..just respect it.

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Actually, I may have already have visited him at some point in the past ..... throughout my daughter's Girl Scout years here, we have placed many flags at many Veterans' graves. If he is indeed interred at the Veteran's Memorial at Deed's Park, then it's more likely than not. My family & I, and many many people here in Dayton visit the Memorial often.

I was so touched by Jackie's Mom's comment that he gets no visitors that I just wanted to make the offer out of respect for his sacrifices to our country.

I truly mean no ill will.

Yes that was sad and you probably did. Sorry its 2am here..so I may have over reacted...but you have honored him by honoring the other vets. Keep up the good work..

I thought the exact same thing.............pitiful. This man, this gentelman, deserved more. And not a 2 1/2 minute blurb.

It's not private record. I would assume it's a national military cemetary in the Ohio area. Do a Google search for any of them in Ohio. There was an "Aldi" grocery store in the background if you didn't notice.

As a boyscout leader, we put out flags every Memorial day.

I was a little quizzical about his name being "Vincent B". I was expecting
"John Q. Warner" or something like that.

Any tasteful gesture is quite acceptable. It doesn't need to be a shrine to reality show watchers or anything.

Showing respect to a man who served our country and fathered someone you enjoy to watch on television, is not off bounds in my book.

But then again, I have probably more respect for the dead than I do some who are alive.

It's so sad that as a society we really do ignore our fallen heroes except for a few special days of the year, at best.

Zitro, if you visit, let them know we appreciate him, his sacrifices and his daughter for me.

Yeah he didn't sound like he was too swift anyway, the way he said "And everyone knows it too". Oh ok. You speak for everyone. <@@>

Agreed, it seems public to me as well. I was surprised about the headstone too. Why not his full name?

There are very few shows on TV I enjoy, but with 'WorkOut' I genuinely look forward to watching this show. Not only is it refreshing to see a show revolving around health and fitness, but it is even more refreshing to see a show starring someone from Ohio.

I'd like to take this opportunity and express my condolences to all at Skysport and Skylab. To Jackie, the trainers and also to all those Doug has touched personally, I am truly sorry for your loss. On camera, Doug exuded charisma, maturity, a great sense of humor and he seemed to have such a calming and balanced approach to everything.

With such a sad experience, I was shocked to read through Jackie and Rebecca's blogs and find an inconsistency. In Jackie's blog she states that she received the news of Doug's passing while she was in Ohio filming. However, in Rebecca's blog, she states that she was with Jackie at her (Rebecca's) place when they received the call from Peeler that Doug had passed. Rebecca even goes on in details about how they spent the afternoon watching season 1.

Obviously, unless Rebecca has a place in Dayton, Ohio, this is not feasible. I understand and I respect that this is a television show with some reality. But, this is related to somone's death. As a viewer, I am very disappointed that with such an important and heartbreaking situation, there are inconsistencies.

As a fitness enthusiast from Cleveland, Ohio, I love watching this show. It's great to see a fellow Ohioan doing so well and succeeding. I would just hope that the events that took place surrounding Doug Blasdell's passing are real.

Jackie stated that the scence played out just as it did last night, well if you remember Peeler did not say Doug had passed but was very ill and the next 24 hrs or so would tell. Jackie stated she got the news about Doug while in Ohio and the next day went to her Father's gravesite and then returned home, so I'm sure she just made it back to LA when Doug passed. I don't see Rebecca lying about something as painful as someone passing.

Rebecca's own words from her own blog state: "I was with Jackie at my place when Peeler called with the news of Doug's passing. We sat there. Silent. There was nothing more to say. He was done fighting. We spent that afternoon watching season one, laughing and celebrating his memory. Doug affected many lives and I believe he is in a better place. But I sure do miss his smile." I don't like to call anyone a liar, but as I said, there is an inconsistency between their two blogs.

Thankfully, I don't read the blogs much, but with something this serious, being genuine to the real happenings would be more appropriate. Doug deserves honesty.

The only thing I can think of is out of respect for those who were mourning, they turned off their cameras, and then had to re-enact some of it. Realize too, that the camera crew were probably profoundly affected by the news also. News like that can create a blur that was probably hard to re-enact for television.

Doug passed Jan. 22nd , I found the newspaper article in which Jackie's mom showed her last night and it was Jan 20th. Now she stated the next day they went to the gravsite and then she returned home so that would've been the 21st . So Jackie could've returned home late the 21st or early on the 22nd which like I stated could've been just hours before Doug passed, I'm sure she is making ref. to being called about his situation of being very ill. I'm sure if Rebecca would lie about such things and then be so bold as to talk about it in a blog, well she would no longer be with SkySport.

Did anyone hear what I think I heard last night between Rebecca and Jackie, it was right before they kissed in the office .........I could've swore I heard both say "I love you", even watched the repeat showing and thought for sure that was what I heard. It was hard to catch what was being said because they were mumbling.

I didn't hear it, but I will pay attention when I watch the episode again.

Anybody remember the conversation Jackie had with her mother, and her mother made reference to reading about hormonal changes when a pregnant mother is traumatized during the pregnancy and this could have a reason why Jackie was gay?

My very first thought was Jackie was going to go off on her. And I was stunned but pleased that Jackie was proud of her for trying to learn about homosexuality.

Those who remember the conversation, please fill in or correct my comments.

And there's no denying that her mother loves her, homosexuality is just hard to digest for some.

Again, I am not calling Jackie or Rebecca liars. What both Jackie and Rebecca wrote on their blogs was clear. Here are Jackie's words from her own blog: "The timing of Doug's news happened exactly as it's seen on the show. I was in Ohio shooting and the crew and I were breaking for lunch. The trainers called me off camera and the feeling of shock -- combined with my own exhaustion -- we just sat down and cried. The next day I visited my dad's grave. It was just a moment that was very surreal."

The point of my post is that someone's passing is too real to fake. Either Jackie found out while she was in Ohio or she found out while she was back with Rebecca. I don't see a reason for either to have an inconsistency in the story and I don't see why it would have to be re-enacted. Yes, it's a television show, but more importantly someone's life that was lost.

I regret even reading those blogs, but I generally miss the show when it airs and will catch the rerun on another day. I like to read the boards to see what viewers think and then I like to read the blogs to get Jackie and the trainers' views on the show. I was just shocked when I read both with different accounts of how they found out Doug died.

I'm just taking it that Jackie was talking about the fact that Doug was very serious and that they were told he would not be making it, that's how Peeler stated it to the other trainers.

I do see however how things can and have been somewhat different from the show to the blogs.

When it comes down to it does it really matter where Jackie was when she found out about Doug. Doug died and that is just the cold hard fact. I read earlier that some felt the handling of Doug getting sicker and dying was not handled properly. First we must remember that this is Jackie's show and she will be the prime in the series. I don't know how else they could have handled the situation or what we are entitled to see. We as a viewing audience, are we entitled to go to the funeral or memorial service via cameras, I don't think we are but that is just my opinion. To elongate the trainer's reaction to the situation would have been fruitless as I see it. We all knew that Peeler was very close to Doug and that all the trainers would be shocked and react in their own way. Personally, I did not want to see more such as the funeral, etc., it is a private affair really and there are somethings we as a viewing audience just should not see. Maybe I am wrong, but that is how I see it. I know that most of what we saw last night was in the trailer for last night's episode, does that really matter? It was a tragic event in their lives as it was for us, because we have come to know them as people because of the program. I thought Doug was one of the best on the program. For some reason we never were privy to much of his life until late in this season. Maybe there was a reason for that, I don't know. Many of us knew about Doug's parents and their deaths at 43, and we knew how it effected Doug, that is why he had mixed emotions about his 44th birthday. Many of us knew that he was being treated for a tumor prior and during the filming of this year's season. I have missed Doug this season and will miss him if there are future seasons of "Work Out". Just my thoughts on the situation or how I see it. I could be wrong or I could be right, it is just my opinion.

After watching the scenes where Jackie and her mother visited Jackies father's grave I was really touched by the genuine emotions displayed by Jackie and her mother. As I remember Veterans Cemetaries are open to the public as basically are all cemetaries. If some are really interested in finding out where Jackie's father is burried I am sure you can find out where the veteran cemetaries in Ohio are located via the web. The clues are all there. It should not be hard. It is a nice gesture that was offered that someone would go to the grave to visit. I myself have decided to go and visit my parents graves and all my other relatives that I know about that are burried in the midwest. I go and visit my parent graves once a year because of the distance, but have decided twice a year would be more appropriate. It has always been my connection to my past. My children never knew my parents so I don't expect them to go there after I am gone. I myself will be burried there maybe they will visit because of that, I don't know. We have become such a mobile society we don't have the opportunity to connect like that with out past. I kind of think we have lost something because of our mobility.

Just my thoughts on last night's episode. Guess I will stop rambling.

swiss

Rebecca's own words from her own blog state: "I was with Jackie at my place when Peeler called with the news of Doug's passing.


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It's all in the editing, really .....

At one point in the episode, I can't remember which gal it was but she brought her boyfriend in & introduced him around. Jackie's still in Fairborn at this point.

The boyfriend was introduced to Erica -- and she was in Ohio, too, so how could there have been such an introduction?

Or, maybe, just maybe, I had one too many last night lol

I do not think Erica was in Ohio with Jackie, I think Jackies companion was Erin her best friend.

Also it was Zen who brought in her boyfriend to introduce him to the trainers as I remember it.

Please correct me if I am incorrect.

The guy has a 1-minute spot on a TV show and you're able to assess his intelligence? Or perhaps you're jealous of his physique and are just assuming the stereotype that "muscles = dumb". At least the COLT model can speak without a script and make a logical argument. Have you ever heard the President talk spontaneously, without reading a speech that was prepared for him...You'd swear he didn't even graduate from high school as he can hardly put together a coherent sentence. If there's someone who doesn't sound too swift, it's George W. Bush. The fact is, the COLT model went and risked his life in Iraq for a war that was based on the case of WMD and an imminent threat to the USA...which was a complete lie. Even though he is gay, he served honorably in the military for our country, so show some respect.

Also, why do you sound so surprised that everyone knows that we didn't find WMD in Iraq and that the "liberation" of a country has turned into an all-out civil war? Are you still holding out hope that we'll find that secret stash of nuclear and biological weapons in Iraq and that the Sunnis and Shiites will put aside hundreds of years of hatred and live in peace and harmony?

Just wanted to give you some information to correct guys like you and the model on this episode.

Though it is not the only reason we took down Sadam in 2003, we have found WMD's in Iraq. It was reported by Congress in June of 2005 that over 500 pieces of WMD's had been discovered up to that point in time, just not in any one location, but in small cache's all over.

In June of 2004, the U.N. issued a report confirming that Saddam had dismantled his WMD manufacturing equipment and smuggled it and what he had produced to Syria before, during, and after the war.

This report in turn confirmed what Saddam's Number-2 in charge of the military that we captured had disclosed. That Saddam had WMD's and had smuggled them to Syria in Russian supply trucks (don't know if they were russian or disguised as such) and had taken commercial airliners, stripped the seats out of them and loaded them up with equipment and WMD's and flown them to Syria and Lebanon.

Though the war was over in just a few weeks, we have become the police force for Iraq and their protection from Iran, trying to keep the peace while the country gets on its feet and these two warring gang's (Sunni and Shite) keep killing their own people and preventing our troops from coming home.

Also, those who call it a Civil War are totally wrong, as are those thinking all of Iraq is having problems. Iraq is split up in provinces like our counties (given its size) and of the 16 or so provinces in Iraq, only 3 of those are having problems.

But we do need to do what we should have done long ago and set some goals for the Iraqies to achieve so we can turn more of the security of the country over to them and get out of there.

Though we have done much good in Iraq, our public never gets to hear about it or see it on TV. I think it was a waste of our tax money, but we have built many schools, hospitals, revitilized waste treatment centers, electrical grids, and more. Their economy is booming and has been for a couple years now, they have 3 times the amount of cars they had before the war, women can go to school and teach school and much more. It has been a great humanitarian mission that has been underappreciated by many and needs to be wrapped up soon before we waste any more money on it.

At first I was really surprised she didn't hate that comment about the hormones as well, but who knows, there's no proof either way, and she obviously is really happy her mom's accepting her finally.

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Less than a minute... if you read it I said it was from that statement, that he was speaking for "everyone". I hope he's not that dense to not know there is a major divide in this country.

To Jackie and her Trainers,

I don't know if you will read this, but I can not express my sympathy for the loss of Doug. You see I can understand what you are feeling because i'm 31 and I just lost my father, uncle and great aunt all in about 4 months time. I cried after the show last night, I can't express what emotions I'm feeling even now. Just remember that Doug is watching over you and will never leave your hearts and minds, this goes double for you Brian, as you seemed the closest to him.
On a happier note, I LOVE THE SHOW!!!!! It's actually inspired me to begin a healthier lifestyle, Jackie thank you!!!!!!!! P.S. Don't worry about your mom, I understand there too! LOL

Bethany, Flower Mound, TX

No WMDs have ever been found in Iraq. Watch the documentaries "Why We Fight", "Uncovered: The War on Iraq" and "Iraq For Sale: The War Profiteers".

As far as civil war...do you not think that the continual mass killings, death squads and daily suicide bombings constitute civil war? Imagine if that were happening every day in NYC or LA...would you feel that the country were safe and not at civil war??

You still think there is a major divide over whether there were WMDs in Iraq? Don't you remember the admission that Dubya made that there were no WMDs and that the intelligence the CIA had was "faulty" and wrong? I don't see how there could be any debate about that.

there were suicide bombings going on in that country long before we got there. There were death squads long before we got there. The Shea and Sunni wars will continue to wage with or without us. WMDs have been found...not to the extent that was first thought, but we gave them three months to move the stuff. Many countries intelligence agencies gave evidence in front of the UN that stated there were WMDs in Iraq. We didn't act alone and had the UN's blessing, but no one talks about that.

Sorry to keep OT, but since it was started.....

FYI Folks...REALITY CHECK!

Mrs. Barb Skuza, Jackie's High School Teacher, is a true elite-competitive athlete.

How do I know this for a fact? She and I competed against each other for MANY years in the sport of racquetball at its highest level. We played against each other in the Finals match of the State of Ohio Women's Open Singles Championships. I won't say the year as we're both too young for our age. :-)

Barb (as I know her...Mrs. Skuza to any students out there), IS the REAL DEAL. She was, is, and always will be the most tenacious and gracious competitors I have ever met and one of the few truely gifted educators of our time.

Barb (Mrs. Skuza), if you get to read any of this, it was great to see your face again. Haven't seen you since you were out here in AZ for the US Doubles Championships.

We're like a fine wine...we get better with age. This Jackie kid can use a little more time in the bottle to ripen.

Jackie, I don't care if Barb gave you permission to call her by her first name or not. It is disrespectful to address her in her place of work in such a familiar way. It's hard enough for educators to gain and retain the respect of their students these days. Show a little more respect next time, please.

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but you must be what they call "Intellectually Lazy" taking at face value what they show you on the movie screen and unable or unwilling to verify on your own.

A simple search turned up hundreds of websites that knew about the WMD report to the Senate, here are a couple to make it easy for you:
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2006/press20060623.asp

Do you think I would have mentioned it without knowing the facts on what was reported? That was the only reason that it made me upset what that guy was saying. And the statement that it disheartened all the soldiers there? Come on! Re-enlistment is at all time highs for troops serving in Iraq (I am talking regular military, not reserve forces).

I looked up the movies you mentioned and found that they were all favorites of extreme left-wing fanatical groups, not the mainstream left/right or independent groups though, so I think these films may be a little biased or not reporting on all the facts, just the ones they want to get across.

On the possible Civil War, the definition of that is as follows: "A war between factions of the same country; there are five criteria for international recognition of this status: the contestants must control territory, have a functioning government, enjoy some foreign recognition, have identifiable regular armed forces, and engage in major military operations.

This covers our U.S. Civil War or say Vietnam's or Korea, but not what is taking place in Iraq. A good example that I have heard, is to think of the Sunni's and Shite's like the Crips and Bloods, just fighting over recognition and territory. The general population is not involved in what is going on, they are just victims of it!

Actually no it does not matter where Jackie was when she received the news, but it does matter that there are different accounts of where and when she received the news. It questions the integrity of the show. If there is such a conflict on this then I question what else is said on the show altogether.
Yes, this is a television show, but this is a serious matter and there is no reason whatsoever that Rebecca and Jackie's blogs should be different in this matter. Are ratings that important where the news of somone's passing has to be re-enacted? It's just disappointing to me, but in the grand scheme of things, I suppose if I am the only one noticing this out of all the viewers, it is insignificant.

I agree, wholeheartedly!!!!!!! Glad I am not alone in this.

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Actually no it does not matter where Jackie was when she received the news, but it does matter that there are different accounts of where and when she received the news. It questions the integrity of the show. If there is such a conflict on this then I question what else is said on the show altogether.
Yes, this is a television show, but this is a serious matter and there is no reason whatsoever that Rebecca and Jackie's blogs should be different in this matter. Are ratings that important where the news of somone's passing has to be re-enacted? It's just disappointing to me, but in the grand scheme of things, I suppose if I am the only one noticing this out of all the viewers, it is insignificant.


in watching the episode again today I think the difference may come into play with the notification of Doug would either pull out of this in the next 24 hours and or the fact that he would not. Peeler told everyone this during his talk so I think that Jackie and Rebecca are recalling the two different but same events so to speak. Jackie recalling the call of the news that Doug had got to the point that he would either live or die in the next 24 hours and Rebecca recalling the conversation of the call that stated Doug had actually passed.
I could be wrong in my logic of events.

Whether or not they are recalling different instances of the same event or same instances of a different event...


I still thinks it's down right rude & selfish of Jackie to make ALL OF THESE EPISODES ALL ABOUT HER. For God's sake woman!!! You've just lost your prize trainer, why you have to make this show all about you? (as well as your blogs are all about you?) just totally sickens me. Her blog about this particular episode speaks volumes. She gives one tiny paragraph to Doug & the rest is about her. As if just to say, "Yeah Doug, sorry to see you go, but life goes on... and what about MORE MORE & EVEN MORE ABOUT MEEEEEEEE!!!

DID YOU NOTICE HOW THE PRODUCERS

LED US ALL UP TO THIS "DOUG" FINALE

IN THE BEGINNING OF THE SERIES

PUMP HIM UP

THEN MAKING US THINK IT WAS HIS FRIEND THAT WAS SICK

THEN WHAM

THE HAMMER DROPS

DOUG IS DOA

VERY SAD

BUT THEY REALLY COULD HAVE LEFT THE PUBLIC OUT OF IT

TAKE CARE OVER THERE

ALOHA

HAVE FUN

_{DEATH.......THE ULTIMATE FINALITY........LIVE AS YOU WANT TO LIVE....NOT HOW SOMEONE WANTS YOU TOO........JUSTME JUST NOW}

Okay, I'm going to chime in -

Do I think Jackie is a little narcissistic? Yeah. But this show is about her. so, I don't think we can complain about the focus on her life.

That being said, I too, was mortified that the teaser for this past week was Doug-related drama, and we had to wait until the very, very end of the show to hear what happened. It seems like a classic "teaser" that many shows have used, but not for such a heavy topic as the death of a cast member.

I didn't know Doug, most of us didn't, but we were affected by him just by watching the show. We are affected by all of the people on the show. If Bravo were going to put this ordeal in, I wish they would have also included some sort of video tribute, adn not waited until the end of thw sho to feature it. Ending like that left abad taste in my mouth, and from reading the boards, I would say I'm not alone here. Finishing with something positive about how Doug affected someone's life - like Laurie or Cheo, would have been a better tribute to him and the show, and I think that is what we are all upset with.

As for the Jackie/Rebecca discrepancy, They have not yet announced that Doug is passed in the plotline, so I do think that the two women were accounting different moments.

Anyway, just my 2 cents!

I totally agree about it being totally about her and not the show title "Work Out".

Brian is a trainer at my gym and I have know him for years and told him last year that I thought it was ridculous that the whole show last season was about Jackie's lesbian lifestyle and girlfriend, and that was not why I tried out the show.

If they wanted to make it a hit like "Blow Out" they needed to focus on the gym, the trainers, the workout's, any promotions they do for the gym, launch of her product line, etc. Jon Anton spends less then 10% of his show on his relationship's and now his family. Brian just hoped they got renewed and he could continue with them in his role as the "Bad Boy".

Here it is back, and it is the same way as before if not worse because of her hitting on the other trainer. It must have been 2 or 3 episodes ago that I started fast-forwarding the tape through anything with Jackie so I could check out the gym or the trainers, I am sick of her and all the crap revolving about her!!!!

At this time, as I said it really does not matter where Jackie was when she heard of Doug's death, the reason being while under stress they just have things mixed up in their minds. This is why I think it is not too important.

As for a re-enactment of the situation. This is a reality show and in real life deaths do occur. We do not really know if it was a reenactment of the trainers learning of Doug's death. I think they were still shooting and episode and the news could have come while they were filming another segment. We just do not know. If it was a reenactment of them learning I think they felt it needed to be in the program, for the benefit of the trainers in their mourning process and also to let us the viewers know how they took learning of the death.

When all the viewers knew nothing more than Doug had died, the viewers were all over the web trying to find information about it, and not much was there. Many of the viewers are very concerned about the trainers and how they were dealing with the tragedy.

I think no matter how Bravo handled the situation they were in a Catch 22. Some wanted to know everthing and if they did not deal with it they would be hounded by the viewers while on the other hand some felt it should not have been handled on the show and because it was they are unhappy about it because they feel Bravo did it for the ratings.

How do I feel personally, I think there just should have been an announcement before the series began stating Doug had died. How he had died and then nothing more. I do find it interesting and have gained new respect for Peeler. I did not know Doug and Peeler had become such good friends and I would not have known that and how hard it hit Peeler.

As I said, Jackie and Rebecca's account of where Jackie was when she learned of Doug's death I attribute to the fact they just got it mixed up in a period of stress. We don't know when these blogs were taped. I have a feeling it was at the time they filmed the segment. As for the credibility of the show, it is a reality show, and we know the editing plays a great part in how things come off. This also could apply to the blogs, being edited I mean.

I just read somewhere the blogs are taped closer to the airing on television. I still feel that when Jackie learned of it Rebecca and Jackie were under a lot of stress and just remember it differently.

I have a friend that reads these posts and does not post, but these discussions about this particular program are making her laugh. Her opinion of this reality show is this: Jackie signed up to do this program to do nothing more than advance her business enterprises. In some way I might agree with her, but boy has she become cynical about this particular show.

YES!!! And I do find it sickening. I mean... it would have been one thing to show it how it happened & then everyone could eventually get some closure. But to drag this sh!t out week after week after week with all of these adds on TV alluding to something being about Doug: only to watch the episode & to see the last minute of it is dedicated to him really makes me wonder about the sanity & decency of these people.

At least the last 4 (& now next week is when they will finally put him to rest) episodes have advertised that they would be about Doug. It's a disgrace to say, in the least, that they didn't just pay tribute to him without using his death to promote their show. *totally disgusted* Way to go Jackie... wooooooo