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2pooped2see
QUOTE (IronChef @ June 2, 2007 - 03:56 PM) *
You, 2P, are now a proud member of Club Tummygrumble! Welcome! smile.gif

I have to wonder, though ... wouldn't all our food chatter be more appropriate over at the TC boards?



Actually,

I like sitting here visualizing the mega heart-attack conniption fit Jackie would be having should she happen to be surfing this blog. I just imagine her hair going into Rockin' Ben's punk rock do and her mouth hanging open as wide as Rhode Island. laugh.gif

But then, that might put it on the SG board, too.
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (IronChef @ June 2, 2007 - 02:56 PM) *
You, 2P, are now a proud member of Club Tummygrumble! Welcome! smile.gif

I have to wonder, though ... wouldn't all our food chatter be more appropriate over at the TC boards?


I tried to suggest that earlier but what the hey, since shanshan continues to drop her intolorence bombs here, I would so hate for her to be lonely without us lesbian and lesbian friendly folk. Maybe we'll find out if crabs and swensons are approved by old king james himself. Stranger things have happened.
2pooped2see
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 2, 2007 - 04:04 PM) *
I tried to suggest that earlier but what the hey, since shanshan continues to drop her intolorence bombs here, I would so hate for her to be lonely without us lesbian and lesbian friendly folk. Maybe we'll find out if crabs and swensons are approved by old king james himself. Stranger things have happened.


I'm sure they are approved by the Almighty. wink.gif


He just made a few foods beyond my reach. Seafood, including crab, makes me deathly ill. sad.gif
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (2pooped2see @ June 2, 2007 - 03:10 PM) *
I'm sure they are approved by the Almighty. wink.gif
He just made a few foods beyond my reach. Seafood, including crab, makes me deathly ill. sad.gif


I'm so sorry 2p2s, it is mighty tasty. But I'm sure you have found many other delectables to fulfill your needs in the tummy seduction dept.
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (2pooped2see @ June 2, 2007 - 03:02 PM) *
Actually,

I like sitting here visualizing the mega heart-attack conniption fit Jackie would be having should she happen to be surfing this blog. I just imagine her hair going into Rockin' Ben's punk rock do and her mouth hanging open as wide as Rhode Island. laugh.gif

But then, that might put it on the SG board, too.



That would be a sight to see. Jackie Warner doing battle with junk-food Junkies. Fill a pool with all of our favorite foods, throw Jackie in...then us and see who comes up first for air. I would bet a million she'd be down there gorging like the rest of us.

That girl ain't healthy lookin in the least. There's such a thing as too thin, and she's got a bad case of it. Women are meant ot have some curves to their shape.

...and life is more enjoyable when it is experienced in reasonable doses. I admit that I would eat fiendishly if thrown into a pool of Swenson's Burgers, hence why I don't swim in Swenson burger pools...moderation will get anyone further in a successful diet and exercise program than a protien shake ever will. In order to succeed in diet and exercise, the program one follows has to be one that can follow a person through life...not just till they lose the desired weight.

But, that's my take on all of the diet-fad and pay a trainer $400 bucks to do for me what I should be able to do for myself stuff.

What do you think?
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (2pooped2see @ June 2, 2007 - 04:02 PM) *
Actually,

I like sitting here visualizing the mega heart-attack conniption fit Jackie would be having should she happen to be surfing this blog. I just imagine her hair going into Rockin' Ben's punk rock do and her mouth hanging open as wide as Rhode Island. laugh.gif

But then, that might put it on the SG board, too.


LMAO!!! Yep, Jackie'd be pretty appalled at our worship at the altar of greasefood. And if we get the Celebrity Fit Club panel in here too, Sgt. Harvey would have a field day with us, methinks. Of course, I'd have a field day with Sgt. Harvey any old day. Come to think of it, he's probably far more nutritious and ... ::ahem::: "filling" than a burger or blue crabs, so ... I'll have one of these, please:

ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 2, 2007 - 04:04 PM) *
I tried to suggest that earlier but what the hey, since shanshan continues to drop her intolorence bombs here, I would so hate for her to be lonely without us lesbian and lesbian friendly folk. Maybe we'll find out if crabs and swensons are approved by old king james himself. Stranger things have happened.


Surely she only eats out at Chik-Fil-Amen.
2pooped2see
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ June 2, 2007 - 04:28 PM) *
That would be a sight to see. Jackie Warner doing battle with junk-food Junkies. Fill a pool with all of our favorite foods, throw Jackie in...then us and see who comes up first for air. I would bet a million she'd be down there gorging like the rest of us.

That girl ain't healthy lookin in the least. There's such a thing as too thin, and she's got a bad case of it. Women are meant ot have some curves to their shape.

...and life is more enjoyable when it is experienced in reasonable doses. I admit that I would eat fiendishly if thrown into a pool of Swenson's Burgers, hence why I don't swim in Swenson burger pools...moderation will get anyone further in a successful diet and exercise program than a protien shake ever will. In order to succeed in diet and exercise, the program one follows has to be one that can follow a person through life...not just till they lose the desired weight.

But, that's my take on all of the diet-fad and pay a trainer $400 bucks to do for me what I should be able to do for myself stuff.

What do you think?


Well,

I had lost 34 pounds last school year. However, thanks to politicians and analysts who haven't been in the classroom for 15+ years, I now have to speend 3 or more hours a night with school paperwork. All of our planning time at school is used meetings and "training" so I've had no chioce but to sit on my behind working instead of being wife and mom. Hence, I have gained back 15 of those pounds and am not too happy.

I'll play in the Cuban sandwich pool in my mind and get a real one the next time I go to Tampa. It is only 5 hours away and I'll HAVE to be having major cravings to drive that long with gas this expensive to get one.

But I do likes swimming in y'all pool! wink.gif
2pooped2see
QUOTE (IronChef @ June 2, 2007 - 04:43 PM) *
LMAO!!! Yep, Jackie'd be pretty appalled at our worship at the altar of greasefood. And if we get the Celebrity Fit Club panel in here too, Sgt. Harvey would have a field day with us, methinks. Of course, I'd have a field day with Sgt. Harvey any old day. Come to think of it, he's probably far more nutritious and ... ::ahem::: "filling" than a burger or blue crabs, so ... I'll have one of these, please:



I did mention I had 15 pounds to re-lose.

I think I might find incentive to try with him!!!!! rolleyes.gif
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ June 2, 2007 - 04:28 PM) *
That would be a sight to see. Jackie Warner doing battle with junk-food Junkies. Fill a pool with all of our favorite foods, throw Jackie in...then us and see who comes up first for air. I would bet a million she'd be down there gorging like the rest of us.


Oh, she'd be down there gorging, alright, I'm almost positive! With all us gorgeous ladies in the mix, I doubt it'd be the junk food she'd be heading for, though. wink.gif

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That girl ain't healthy lookin in the least. There's such a thing as too thin, and she's got a bad case of it. Women are meant ot have some curves to their shape.


It's all a matter of perspective for me. As a 5'2" adult, I've weighed from 162 (at the high end) to 85 (at the low end), so I've seen "weight problems" from both ends of the spectrum and all points in between. I've been a recovering anorexic since 1988, and it's been a struggle every single day, especially when you know that no matter what you tell yourself, that inner voice will never stop saying "you look kind of fat to me" when you look in the mirror.

To me, Jackie looks pretty damn good, but that's because my personal "ideal image" is more "lean" than the norm, and that's the anorexic inside talking. A part of me knows that to be curvaceous, and to have that normal extra layer of female subcutaneous fat is exactly that--normal. But another part of me loves the look and feel of a lean, hard, sculpted body, whether male or female. So, how do you marry the two?

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In order to succeed in diet and exercise, the program one follows has to be one that can follow a person through life...not just till they lose the desired weight.


Absolutely agreed. Any "diet" will work short-term, but if you want to take pounds off and keep them off, you have to be willing to live differently, and to think differently about food for the rest of your life.

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But, that's my take on all of the diet-fad and pay a trainer $400 bucks to do for me what I should be able to do for myself stuff.


Everyone is different, and they learn and react to stimuli differently. I think if you're the type of person who has a lot of self-control and motivation, a gradual difference in the way you think about and see food is ideal and beneficial. For someone who needs a little more of a "kick in the pants," though, a structured diet and/or personal training is the way to go, at least at first.

I do know one thing, and that's that maintaining a healthy weight and a fit body is a lifelong and complex commitment. Whether you do it yourself, or with the help of others, it's exactly that--a commitment. And regardless of how you accomplish your goal, or even whether you do accomplish your goal, that you take the pains to keep on plugging away at it is admirable.
ohiofarmgirl
-Everyone is different, and they learn and react to stimuli differently. I think if you're the type of person who has a lot of self-control and motivation, a gradual difference in the way you think about and see food is ideal and beneficial. For someone who needs a little more of a "kick in the pants," though, a structured diet and/or personal training is the way to go, at least at first.

I do know one thing, and that's that maintaining a healthy weight and a fit body is a lifelong and complex commitment. Whether you do it yourself, or with the help of others, it's exactly that--a commitment. And regardless of how you accomplish your goal, or even whether you do accomplish your goal, that you take the pains to keep on plugging away at it is admirable.
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IC, you just done did hit the nail on the head!

No two diets are alike. No two fitness programs are alike. No two humans are alike (especially our metabolic rates)..

The fact that Jackie gets $400/session is good for her business, but for anyone to believe that since they can't afford $400/session, they should give up hope, is just plain...well, wrong. As an exercise physiologist who is battling to regain my healthy self (I too spent too many hours in front of a computer screen researching), I think that good health is within all our reaches. This show, being about a lesbian, Jackie Warner, who also has certifications from seminars in fitness....may have taken fitness out of the picture amidst the drama. But hey, actual 'reality' won't keep the ratings up.

We get spoon-fed ideas of the 'perfect' weight and shape on tv and through advertisments, but are those too thin model bodies actually healthy? For that matter, are the rock hard body-builder physiques the best? ...actually, medically speaking, NO. Those are two extremes of severely unhealthy.

Health and fitness should be, but are seldom, lifelong commitments. What would we have to do to change the mainstream ideals of health and fitness to a more 'Real' attainable lifestyle for the average joe?

This was from an argument made long ago in the beginnings of the Show's inception. The idea of putting real into this particular reality show.
2pooped2see
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 2, 2007 - 07:15 PM) *
Marital laws are currently equal for everyone.

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Sexual behavior is a choice regardless of orientation. Rendering your "we're born that way" argument useless.

And why are homosexuals so intolerant of anyone who opposes homosexuality? Isn't that a catch 22 considering that they demand tolerance for themselves? That's a contradiction. Simply being intolerant of INtolerance itself makes you a hypocrite. You are BEING exactly what you say other people shouldn't be. It makes no sense and just makes you all look silly. Until you answer that question you will never be taken seriously by society.

Feel free to e-mail me at newrealityaccount@yahoo.com and let me know. I don't read the messages here.

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If you're not reading the messages here, why do you continue to post? huh.gif

I haven't rattled your cage, but I am now soooo tired of reading your carbon copy posts. You are just about ready to send a Saint to drink!!

I usually don't step into the middle of such nonsense, but please give it a rest. There are no winners in this arguement you insist on continuing. My father-in-law preacher would even tell you to give it a rest. You gain more converts with "sugar" and rational conversation, not this "vinegar" you're putting forth.

If you really want someone to think about what you are saying, don't pounce on them as the spawn of the devil. Just politely express your opinion, leave a kernnel for someone to think on for a bit, and leave the rest alone.

You've only opened yourself up to defend yourself and your views. Those who feel like they MUST defend their personal views usually only make enemies.

Sometimes I believe that God wishes He gave the gift of "conversation" to men instead of women and the gift of "action" to us women instead of men. But then I think He realized that fists, guns and PMS would make war even worse than it has been since we have been here on Earth.

If I have offended anybody else, I aplogize. I am now off the podium and will make no more comments on the subject... I just want to go back to food and Jackie's reaction to Swenson's, Blue crab, Cuban sandwiches, and the willpower and determination to healthily get into shape w/o killing my retirement futures. mellow.gif

I think I need to take some Tylenol - rapid release and ask hubby to get a single hot Krispy Kreme donut. After this, I think I might need it. huh.gif
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 2, 2007 - 07:15 PM) *
Marital laws are currently equal for everyone.



Sexual behavior is a choice regardless of orientation. Rendering your "we're born that way" argument useless.

And why are homosexuals so intolerant of anyone who opposes homosexuality? Isn't that a catch 22 considering that they demand tolerance for themselves? That's a contradiction. Simply being intolerant of INtolerance itself makes you a hypocrite. You are BEING exactly what you say other people shouldn’t be. It makes no sense and just makes you all look silly. Until you answer that question you will never be taken seriously by society.

Feel free to e-mail me at newrealityaccount@yahoo.com and let me know. I don't read the messages here.



Gosh, you know, Shanshan? When I saw that you'd posted something new here, for a heartbeat I actually thought it might really be something new. I thought it might be an engaging, intelligent reply to something one of us here had said. Sadly, it was nothing more than the same spam you've been cut-n-pasting for over a week now, so I guess that means you have nothing either engaging or intelligent left.

Well, poo. Because I was really expecting more out of you and your God, and so, it seems, was He, because it looks like you may have utterly failed. Have you nothing left? Apparently, because it seems you've given up. Your Lion has lain down with our Lamb, and at least so far, it looks like they're getting along quite well. Sorry about that. (Admittedly, the PSP may have helped).

You need to change it up, though Shan. "Cum Baya" and "Michael, Row The Boat Ashore" don't really cut it anymore.

Vidal said it best ...

"Shake it, darling! Shake it!"
ArtInstigator
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 2, 2007 - 06:15 PM) *
Marital laws are currently equal for everyone.



Sexual behavior is a choice regardless of orientation. Rendering your "we're born that way" argument useless.

And why are homosexuals so intolerant of anyone who opposes homosexuality? Isn't that a catch 22 considering that they demand tolerance for themselves? That's a contradiction. Simply being intolerant of INtolerance itself makes you a hypocrite. You are BEING exactly what you say other people shouldn't be. It makes no sense and just makes you all look silly. Until you answer that question you will never be taken seriously by society.

Feel free to e-mail me at newrealityaccount@yahoo.com and let me know. I don't read the messages here.


THIS GUM TASTES STALE




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2pooped2see
QUOTE (ArtInstigator @ June 2, 2007 - 08:01 PM) *

THIS GUM TASTES STALE




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Hey, AI...

Nice thing to come to the boards to first thing in the evening, huh?

Anyway, what is your Jackie poison?

Swenson's cheeseburger, blue crabs, or a Cuban sandwich? wub.gif

Then, since it is the BRAVO! boards, we'll type furiously for 20 minutes and burn all the calories off! wink.gif

...remember, working out will make Jackie happy!
ArtInstigator
QUOTE (2pooped2see @ June 2, 2007 - 07:05 PM) *
Hey, AI...

Nice thing to come to the boards to first thing in the evening, huh?

Anyway, what is your Jackie poison?

Swenson's cheeseburger, blue crabs, or a Cuban sandwich? wub.gif

Then, since it is the BRAVO! boards, we'll type furiously for 20 minutes and burn all the calories off! wink.gif

...remember, working out will make Jackie happy!

MMMmmmm...gotta go........can't talk.......eatin' my favorite Tex-Mex heaven dinner right now.....see ya later on the TC board, 2p2s.......chomp......slurp......lol

AI wink.gif
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 2, 2007 - 06:15 PM) *
Marital laws are currently equal for everyone.

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Sexual behavior is a choice regardless of orientation. Rendering your "we're born that way" argument useless.

And why are homosexuals so intolerant of anyone who opposes homosexuality? Isn't that a catch 22 considering that they demand tolerance for themselves? That's a contradiction. Simply being intolerant of INtolerance itself makes you a hypocrite. You are BEING exactly what you say other people shouldn't be. It makes no sense and just makes you all look silly. Until you answer that question you will never be taken seriously by society.

Feel free to e-mail me at newrealityaccount@yahoo.com and let me know. I don't read the messages here.

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OK Shan,
Since you and I got into it pretty heavy about this crap, maybe if I offer an answer to you, you will stop this stuff and either join in conversing politely and respectfully with all of us or, go away if you can't.

Here's my answer:

Catch 22? NO, honey. You have no idea what you and your congregation have put not just me, but my kids and others out there like me through. We have been quiet for too long and need to stand up for ourselves sometimes.

I am not intolerent of Intolerance (as you put it) I have to deal with it every day. I have to politely smile at off-color jokes about "Fags" and sit quietly as self-proclaimed Better-than-me folks spew the crap similar to that which comes off of your keyboard.

Everyone has a breaking point, honey. Your words were simply my last straw. I humbly appologize if I hurt your feelings in any way. I honestly wish you the best in your endeavors.

If it is curiousity that drives your fight, I am here for you. Please feel free to ask any questions about my lifestyle or choices which trouble you. All I ask in return is that you show some respect in those questions, OK?
ohiofarmgirl
Again shan,

I have answered your question.

If you have another one that you respectfully wish to ask, all you need do is respectfully ask it.

C'mon, honey, try. It's not hard. I'm right here. Not going away. If you are afraid, no need to be so.
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 2, 2007 - 09:19 PM) *
b]I don't read the messages here[/b]. [/size][/b]



Yet you so obviously do, shanshan, dear. If you want us to believe you don't read the messages here, then a word to the wise--don't log in for at least 24 hours. Aside from that, you're a pathetic fundie hack with only a marginal point to make at best. Your God's defense and your weak and reedy argument are best left to those--namely anyone but you--who can manage more than post reguritation.

You, my dear, do however, get an award for your efforts:

Oh, and one more thing ...

ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (IronChef @ June 2, 2007 - 09:37 PM) *
Yet you so obviously do, shanshan, dear. If you want us to believe you don't read the messages here, then a word to the wise--don't log in for at least 24 hours. Aside from that, you're a pathetic fundie hack with only a marginal point to make at best. Your God's defense and your weak and reedy argument are best left to those--namely anyone but you--who can manage more than post reguritation.

You, my dear, do however, get an award for your efforts:

Oh, and one more thing ...



Oh, and one tiny request: despite what I said above, please keep posting, because your ludicrous crap has provided us with more fun and frivolity than we've had in months. The sheer insanity and the wildly unintelligent calibre of your posts spells bellylaughs aplenty, so keep 'em coming, sweetie!
kanigirrrrl
[b][size=3]Feel free

I do feel free. Lucky me. At least I don't lie about what I read. Like you. So hard to take you seriously. Oh and I guess we won't have to read your silliness tomorrow, it being the day of rest and all. I imagine you will be not working and will be praying all day. Of course if you really followed both books of your bible you'd understand what that means. Having been to Israel, let me tell you, when it's time for the sabbath, EVERYONE shuts down, nobody works and EVERYBODY prays. No driving, no grocery store, no tv and certainly no computer. All day. Funny how you have this great example of how following God's laws works but you totally ignore it. It's just crazy I tell ya.
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (IronChef @ June 2, 2007 - 08:44 PM) *
Oh, and one tiny request: despite what I said above, please keep posting, because your ludicrous crap has provided us with more fun and frivolity that we've had in months. The sheer insanity and the wildly unintelligent calibre of your posts spells bellylaughs aplenty, so keep 'em, coming, sweetie!



OMG!!! I LOve the Kitty! Where do you find this stuff...too wunnerful!
ohiofarmgirl
... I just want to go back to food and Jackie's reaction to Swenson's, Blue crab, Cuban sandwiches, and the willpower and determination to healthily get into shape w/o killing my retirement futures. mellow.gif

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Great Point! Most awesome "diet" ideas come from sensible backgrounds. There was a diet that said we needed to eat lots of protiens and No carbs...the problem - it didn't address the buildup of keytones from eating all those protiens and fats. This would be a really bad thing if you were diabetic.

Another diet came along and proclaimed that you should eat lots of grapefruit, but if you are like a lot of people with heart conditions that require you to take Calcium Channel Blockers...this diet could literally kill you.

Those green shakes....if you are on blood thinning meds, those could kill you too.

The absolute best diet is one that takes into account any pre-existing conditions you may have and any drug interactions that may occur with the types of food the diet is asking you to stay to.

For some reason, we've been led down the general path of believing that eating less and taking pills will make us lose weight....don't get me started on the hydroxy- et al stuff.

Best first step has to start with your personal physician...as well as some hard-core investigation on your own about whatever the fad diet is you are interested in. The internet is an awesome tool for said investigations, just beware of people or products trying to sell you stuff...of course, their stuff always works for everybody...don't fall victim to a scam.

In the gym, you may be told an old addage of "no pain, no gain" This is fine if your goal is "Body by Nautilus, Brains by Mattel". Everyone has limitations. Know what they are and how to either work through or around them...again, takes you back to your physician and asking one pertinent question "What should I and what should I not do"

Everything I just suggested will cost you a visit or two to your personal physician. If you don't have equipment or someplace to walk, run, ride a bike, or swim at your home, the next big investment would be in a health club.

If you need someone to cheer you on or help you push yourself, then you need to consider a personal trainer.

All of the above is my personal opinion. If you ask someone else you may get something totally different.

Bottom line, what you do and what it costs you to do so is entirely up to you.
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ June 2, 2007 - 10:47 PM) *
OMG!!! I LOve the Kitty! Where do you find this stuff...too wunnerful!


Glad you like 'em, Ohio! I've collected them from so many sites, I can't even begin to remember them all! A couple of the best, though, are i can has cheezburger? and lol cats.

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ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (IronChef @ June 2, 2007 - 11:32 PM) *
Glad you like 'em, Ohio! I've collected them from so many sites, I can't even begin to remember them all! A couple of the best, though, are i can has cheezburger? and lol cats.

smile.gif


I checked out the links....FABULOUS! Definetly the best way to start a Sunday mornin...grinning with kittens!
Jill2233
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Feel free to e-mail me at [b]and let me know. [b]I don't read the messages here. </SPAN>


What is your problem?! If you are not going to read the replies to your post stop posting on this forum. I will not be bullied into having to reply to you at an email address.

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Not one of you is willing to stand up and hold the rest accountable. Not one is brave enough to say, WOW, we ARE hypocrites. We DO espouce tolerance but indeed ARE INtolerant of everyone else.

When people are ashamed, they are silent. When people "got nothing" they are silent. At least I know I've posed a question that has hit home with you. I will continue to offer my email address. There will be one side who is too fearful here and remains silent...and it won't be me.


I can only speak for myself, my significant other, and my gay/bi friends. NONE OF US ARE HYPOCRITES WHEN IT COMES TO TOLERANCE OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS. The opposite is true. Because of the adversity we have to face we are more tolerant of others. We don't try to change people's opinions about our lifestyles, we accept that is the way they feel and move on. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for people who don't approve of my lifestyle to be my good friends. I respect them and they respect me. I can understand a person being totally against the gay lifestyle and not be willing to change their opinion. I have no problem with that. Everyone's opinion is important and welcomed, as long as the debate doesn't turn into a pesonal attack.

To say all homosexuals expect tolerance but are intolerant is your opinion and that is fine. For whatever reason I feel you truly believe that statement and that is your right. Just because no one has sent an answer to your email doesn't mean we are in a bubble or ashamed. Read the response to your post. smile.gif

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kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 3, 2007 - 09:49 AM) *
It makes no sense. I have begged for an explaination for your hypocricy. And not ONE of you can offer one. Why is that? Are you afraid to comfront the truth of the matter? How many are there of you here? Not ONE of you can explain the hypocricy? There has not been ONE attempt. My mailbox is empty. I have given you a silver platter on which to lay your explaination, yet not ONE of you can face it and explain it. Is ignorance THAT blissful? I can't imagine being posed such an obvious question yet not answering it. Wow, you guys really are in a bubble. Not one of you is willing to stand up and hold the rest accountable. Not one is brave enough to say, WOW, we ARE hypocrites. We DO espouce tolerance but indeed ARE INtolerant of everyone else.

When people are ashamed, they are silent. When people "got nothing" they are silent. At least I know I've posed a question that has hit home with you. I will continue to offer my email address. There will be one side who is too fearful here and remains silent...and it won't be me.

Again:
WHY are homosexuals so intolerant of anyone who opposes homosexuality? Isn't that a catch 22 considering that they demand tolerance for themselves? That's a contradiction. Simply being intolerant of INtolerance itself makes you a hypocrite. You are BEING exactly what you say other people shouldn’t be. It makes no sense and just makes you all look silly. Until you answer that question you will never be taken seriously by society.



[b]Do you have no explaination for your hypocricy? For why you demand tolerance but are INtolerant yourselves?

I don't read the messages here.[/b] [/b]



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No one will respond to your silliness because you started this whole mess on THIS BOARD.
No one will respond to your e-mail address because you are a liar about reading our responses. I saw when you were on yesterday, much longer than posting the silliness you keep posting. READING.
No one will respond to your email address because you have yet to remove the beam from your own eye.
No one will email you because no one wants you to have their email address.
No one will respond to you because your arguements are lazy and redundant.
No one will respond to you because you have decided that you are the only source of truth.
No one will respond to you because you see your DEMANDS as some sort of generous silver platter when it is nothing more than an opportunity to spread your hate.
No one will respond to you because you only expect us to agree with YOU.
No one will respond to you because they see the only bubble anyone is living in is the one that you are in, a bubble of self-denial.

How sad that it is you who are so fearful. So scared to read these replies. So scared of yourself. So scared of me. An open lesbian living in the midwest. Moral, truthful, loyal, unafraid of hypocrites like you who espouse Christ's love for all except those they hate. How can you ignore the story of Christ saving a woman from stoning. He didn't throw the first stone, he stepped in and stopped the stoning. He didn't yell out to her from the crowd, WILL YOU STOP SINNING FIRST BEFORE I STEP IN AND SAVE YOU? He didn't care that she had sinned, he cared that she was being murdered. When you ignore Christ's lessons, you deny Christ.
No one will respond to your email pleas because you deny Christ.
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ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 3, 2007 - 10:49 AM) *
Feel free to e-mail me at newrealityaccount@yahoo.com and let me know. [b]I don't read the messages here. [/b]



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Your questions have been asked and answered numerous times. You simply don't like the answers you've gotten. That, however, doesn't make the answers any less valid, honest or legitimate.

You've aked. Others have answered. Now let it go. You're obviously never going to get the satisfaction you want, not from this group or its members, and you're never going to sway any of said members over to your POV with the tactics you're using, so drop it, already.

I want you to answer my one question, though. Why do you keep posting in big, bright, bold letters that you don't read the messages here, when you so obviously do, and frequently? You make yourself out to be a blatant liar every time you post that statement. Do you get that?
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (shanshan2006 @ June 3, 2007 - 09:49 AM) *
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Wow, gotta give you points for consistancy. You remind me of when my kids were young and didn't want to listen. They too went through a period of running around the room ranting with their hands over their ears professing "I can't hear you".

Thank goodness they grew out of it...a mother's nerves get frayed to the bone. On that note, thank God they grew tired of watching and singing along with Barney, the Purple Dinosaur...that was rough.

I've already pegged you as a born-again, which you didn't appreciate. I also pegged you as latently gay, which you liked even less, thinking I was dissing my own kind. You might want to sit down for the next one, it may hurt....I honestly believe you to be a pre-pubescent teenager. Your hormones are running amock, which would account for these strange rantings. Your parents probably preach the ideas to you about Gays, which you use in these posts. They probably would be horrified if they knew what you were doing. Probably even take your computer away from you for an extended period of time.

Most adult born-againers tend to walk away from what they see as the demon seed when confronted. They go to church and recite from their good book about what it is that makes them right and the rest of the world wrong and doomed for all eternity...which, by the way makes me wonder why you didn't go to church today? You forget that I've lived amongst your congregation. You're not a very good christian by your own standards.

ergo, we're back to the realization that you are pre-pubescent teenager looking for ways to make yourself feel important. I'm guessing at this next one, but you probably don't have too many friends and are terribly lonely. Add that to the hormonal flux and you get...TA DA - a spoiled, lonely teenager looking for some way to get attention.

Honey, if I could I'd give you a hug and tell you everything is going to be ok. Your skin will clear up, your body will mature, and as you begin to show friendly respect to others, you'll get it back...ten-fold!
kanigirrrrl
Oh shanshan, caught you again peeking at what you say you don't. On the Christian Sabbath no less.
When will your sinning stop?

Plus I noticed you changed the 2006 to 2007. Now does this shanshan not read here also? Or are you a liar too.
kanigirrrrl
YOOHOOO, Shanshan, I see you. For over Five minutes here on this board.



And there it goes, buh bye shanshan.
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (shanshan2007 @ June 3, 2007 - 05:49 PM) *
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When people are ashamed, they are silent. When people "got nothing" they are silent. At least I know I've posed a question that has hit home with you. I will continue to offer my email address. There will be one side who is too fearful here and remains silent...and it won't be me.


Shame is all yours. The silence you hear is your own ignorance ringing in your ears.
kanigirrrrl
Hope nobody minds but I'm going to try and bump this to the next page, while shanshan reads.
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 3, 2007 - 05:33 PM) *
YOOHOOO, Shanshan, I see you. For over Five minutes here on this board.
And there it goes, buh bye shanshan.


Let's give you something a little more fun to look at while you look as anon.

kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 3, 2007 - 05:58 PM) *
Let's give you something a little more fun to look at while you look as anon.





Or maybe this.

kanigirrrrl
I really like this one.


kanigirrrrl
This one is good too.

kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 3, 2007 - 06:06 PM) *
This one is good too.






Another good person.
2pooped2see
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 3, 2007 - 06:58 PM) *
Let's give you something a little more fun to look at while you look as anon.



Kani,

You're funny!! laugh.gif
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 3, 2007 - 06:58 PM) *
Let's give you something a little more fun to look at while you look as anon.



Paris 'n Nicole ('n me) say: That's hot! biggrin.gif
Jill2233
Those pictures are hot! cool.gif Jackie may have a big ego and a dominate personality but when a person looks like that its ok with me. I kind of miss the show. Wish they would have a show where they show more never before seen footage like they did on the reunion show. I wish they would show more of what happened on the reunion show. I remember reading somewhere they taped for 6 hours. There has to be some more good stuff!

Doug's eyes say it all. We all have a special guardian angel watching over us! smile.gif
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (shanshan2007 @ June 3, 2007 - 06:49 PM) *
It makes no sense.


And neither do you. You're all "Yada yada yada, bleh bleh bleh, wah wah wah wah wah."

So, lemme ask you this ...



Just wondering, you being an expert on the subject and all. As far as your argument's basis goes ...



But, me? I kind of like you despite the hipocrisy, and I think you're fun to play with, so ...



Before that, though ... can I make one leetle necessary request?



It's either that, or ...



Now, tell me, honey ...

ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (shanshan2OO7 @ June 4, 2007 - 03:05 PM) *
Ohiofarmgirl,

I got your message and sent one back to you, but the forum mods have decided that they would rather not have to confront the hypocricy and would rather live in ignorance. SO, I made a new name to get this message to you. If you want to resend your message to newrealityaccount@yahoo.com please do, otherwise I won't get your response.

To the rest, at least ohiofarmgirl is willing to TRY to come up with a reason why she espouses tolerance while BEING intolerant herself. You others will all have to live as hypocrites. I can understand being in denial about it thought. What else can you DO, you either have to own up to it and change, or deny it. And it's easier for you to deny it.

Anyhoo.....you know where to reach me. Otherwise I had the last word.


Hi little one,

I am more than happy to respond to your questions in private if you would just enable your messaging.

I am not comfortable emailing you personally or allowing you access to my email address, so if you want to talk privately it will have to be within the confines of the Bravo system.

To answer the question you sent me:

No Honey, I'm not going to answer a question which has already been answered by me and others. In all fairness, you have to allow for everyone's opinion whether you approve of it or not. If you would like to ask another question, either post it, or enable messaging so I can answer it privately if you like.

Have a great day!

If you can't communicate because you have been kicked off the board, then...let it go. OK?
kanigirrrrl
[quote name='shanshan2OO7' date='June 4, 2007 - 03:05 PM' post='176003']
the forum mods have decided that they would rather not have to confront the hypocricy and would rather live in ignorance. SO, I made a new name to get this message to you.



And let's hope that whomever reported this spoiled child, reports her again. But thanks for the great guffaw at your dogged determination. I had a wonderful time imaging you stamping your feet and holding your breathe. It was gigglicous.
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (shanshan2OO7 @ June 4, 2007 - 04:05 PM) *


Ahhh, shanshan2007 ... my denuded little cabbage (didn't you used to be shanshan2006? My, but how zee time, she does pass, n'est ce pas?) You have never seen fit to reply to me here--I know this simple truth to be fact because you have neither the intellect nor the humor to respond to either reason or rationale--I feel in my heart, however, that you think of me with ardent passion ... and often. And for this, you will ever remain in my heart the true and truly hypocritical you that I do so love (kisses, my little rabbit. Never fear ... I will, as always, wait for you).

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the forum mods have decided that they would rather not have to confront the hypocricy and would rather live in ignorance.


Why, damn them--yes, DAMN them in their moderation guise! Do I understand that they have seen fit to deny you the continued opportunity to butter our bland and tolerant bread with your viciously seasoned and vilely marinated brand of "I Can't Believe It's Not Pat Robertson?" For SHAME that they would muzzle the spread (innuendo INDEED intended, my beauty) of such tantalizingly tangy fare! Pity them in their inability to allow our love to blossom, flourish and grow. A pox on them, I say! We will, I believe, find a way to thwart their rash and heinous deed!

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To the rest, at least ohiofarmgirl is willing to TRY to come up with a reason why she espouses tolerance while BEING intolerant herself.


You sly vixen, you! To try and cloak your ardor and respect for another in the not-so-thinly-veiled language of insult--what a masterstroke!! And to think I assumed you an adorable little idiot. Now, with this last statement, you have left no room for doubt! I am, as you would expect, delighted, and I'm wrinkling my nose right now at the thought of you!

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You others will all have to live as hypocrites. I can understand being in denial about it thought. What else can you DO, you either have to own up to it and change, or deny it. And it's easier for you to deny it.


"You others" -- Oh, how it is to laugh--ha ha!!! My precious and delicate dewdrop of doo, do you not understand that the time of your need to cloak our love in the language of denial and collective disgust is no more? You need be ashamed no longer! Your understanding, although misallocated, is both precious and precociously adored, in that it was neither asked for nor wanted to begin with.

You have no idea how deeply your words--"you either have to own up to it and change, or deny it"--affect me. For it is the wine of these very words I spoke to you at our last meeting, our last and lasting kiss, and our last--our sweetly sanguine parting. That you would twist these words--spoken sweet and soft against your ear, and again at your wanting lips--wounds me deep and deeper still, unto my very core.

For shame, my love. You do this bliss--this kiss you gave--a great and harsh disservice.

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Anyhoo.....you know where to reach me. Otherwise I had the last word.


O ... RLY??? My delusional, taffy covered sweet, one must always realize that on a public message board of any kind, vowing that you have "the last word" and then leaving for the night does not "the last word" make.

The discussion, like both my heart and Celine's, will go on. With you or without you or your hard plastic, avocado colored, crock pot simmered, Springer approved white-trashitty, cliched-crocheted, Barbie dream van macrame decry--yes, anyhoo, beloved.

Anyhoo.

Your word is hardly the last here, love. In my heart, though? You will always hold a place. It's down there on the left, just past the cinder blocks, that pile of old tires, the diapers and the fairytale castle Earl's been making out of stale Cheetos and cat poo.

And, yes, of course I'll wait for you there after midnight. Would I ever not?

Your Devoted ...

~L~
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (IronChef @ June 4, 2007 - 07:13 PM) *
Why, damn them--yes, DAMN them in their moderation guise! Do I understand that they have seen fit to deny you the continued opportunity to butter our bland and tolerant bread with your viciously seasoned and vilely marinated brand of "I Can't Believe It's Not Pat Robertson?" For SHAME that they would muzzle the spread (innuendo INDEED intended, my beauty) of such tantalizingly tangy fare! Pity them in their inability to allow our love to blossom, flourish and grow. A pox on them, I say! We will, I believe, find a way to thwart their rash and heinous deed!



You sly vixen, you! To try and cloak your ardor and respect for another in the not-so-thinly-veiled language of insult--what a masterstroke!! And to think I assumed you an adorable little idiot. Now, with this last statement, you have left no room for doubt! I am, as you would expect, delighted, and I'm wrinkling my nose right now at the thought of you!



"You others" -- Oh, how it is to laugh--ha ha!!! My precious and delicate dewdrop of doo, do you not understand that the time of your need to cloak our love in the language of denial and collective disgust is no more? You need be ashamed no longer! Your understanding, although misallocated, is both precious and precociously adored, in that it was neither asked for nor wanted to begin with.

You have no idea how deeply your words--"you either have to own up to it and change, or deny it"--affect me. For it is the wine of these very words I spoke to you at our last meeting, our last and lasting kiss, and our last--our sweetly sanguine parting. That you would twist these words--spoken sweet and soft against your ear, and again at your wanting lips--wounds me deep and deeper still, unto my very core.

For shame, my love. You do this bliss--this kiss you gave--a great and harsh disservice.



O ... RLY??? My delusional, taffy covered sweet, one must always realize that on a public message board of any kind, vowing that you have "the last word" and then leaving for the night does not "the last word" make.

The discussion, like both my heart and Celine's, will go on. With you or without you or your hard plastic, avocado colored, crock pot simmered, Springer approved white-trashitty, cliched-crocheted, Barbie dream van macrame decry--yes, anyhoo, beloved.

Anyhoo.

Your word is hardly the last here, love. In my heart, though? You will always hold a place. It's down there on the left, just past the cinder blocks, that pile of old tires, the diapers and the fairytale castle Earl's been making out of stale Cheetos and cat poo.

And, yes, of course I'll wait for you there after midnight. Would I ever not?

Your Devoted ...

~L~


Why, IC! I...I didn't know.

I would never have gone dancin through your garden of freshly lain shan-manure had I known the inner depth, width and bredth (is that a word?) of the love now seen as your pasture of wonton pleasure.

Dang Girlfrien!

If I could only perturb you more than her so that you might shed a wafting glance at me....but alas, I love your kitty pictures, anon

anyhoo...you shore dew talk purdy!
kanigirrrrl
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ June 4, 2007 - 08:10 PM) *
Why, IC! I...I didn't know.

I would never have gone dancin through your garden of freshly lain shan-manure had I known the inner depth, width and bredth (is that a word?) of the love now seen as your pasture of wonton pleasure.

Dang Girlfrien!

If I could only perturb you more than her so that you might shed a wafting glance at me....but alas, I love your kitty pictures, anon

anyhoo...you shore dew talk purdy!


Seriously Farm, don't mess with her. This was mild. Nasty melts keyboards.




But in the nicest way.
ohiofarmgirl
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 4, 2007 - 09:24 PM) *
Seriously Farm, don't mess with her. This was mild. Nasty melts keyboards.




But in the nicest way.


T''wasn't messing with IC....just duly impressed!

If it were possible to do a standing ovation, would've given one of those too.
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (ohiofarmgirl @ June 4, 2007 - 09:10 PM) *
Why, IC! I...I didn't know. I would never have gone dancin through your garden of freshly lain shan-manure had I known the inner depth, width and bredth (is that a word?) of the love now seen as your pasture of wonton pleasure.

Dang Girlfrien!

If I could only perturb you more than her so that you might shed a wafting glance at me....but alas, I love your kitty pictures, anon anyhoo...you shore dew talk purdy!


My dearest ohiofarmgirl ...

Your "anyhoo" threads like a keen and keening wire, electric along my wild and waiting veins ...

Inasmuch as my heart belongs to shanshan2007, your heartfelt missive does not go awry. My night-scented garden, freshly plowed at shanshan's harsh departing, and moonlit to pearlescent tears at her hearth, breathes distilled with the warm, wet, hothouse promise of seeds newly split with yearning.

You cull these petals--my very own--to a piquant blush, stroking them to newfound, unfurled bloom with your whetted words.

Shan's manure has fallen fallow, as expected, and her bouquet had gone from fine to fallen; Chanel to charlatan. You may, however, if you tread very carefully, become to me all that has fallen to frost at her hallowed and peony-petaled parting.

I and my kitty pictures, pretty and prescient, await your step upon the plush of our pasture ...

Until the dawn of yet another nightfall ...

~L~
ManservantHecubus
QUOTE (kanigirrrrl @ June 4, 2007 - 10:24 PM) *
Seriously Farm, don't mess with her. This was mild. Nasty melts keyboards.
But in the nicest way.


Aww, c'mon, Kani ... I don't have that bad a rep ... do I??? unsure.gif

I'm a softie at heart ... or at least I thought I was.

~L~
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