I have to hand it to you, Nama. I have lurked on these message boards for years now, but only just now felt the compulsion to register so I could reply to your ridiculous equating of education to integrity.

My father was born in the 1940, in the midwest, and ended up dropping out of school in his eighth grade year, which was not unusual for the time and farm region he grew up in. And while it didn't land him the high-paying career as decades went by, it didn't stop him from holding a job, supporting a family, and maintaining a good sense of character either.

Education and criminal/negative behavior are not exclusive. Yes, education can open up and maintain opportunities that limit the potential for bad choices in life, but in the end, they are choices which are not limited to how far you got in school. Just the same as how decency and honesty are open to anyone who chooses to display it.

What Peeler's education has to do with Jackie and the situation surrounding her? I don't know. You brought it up. In my opinion, your argument is so ill-formed, that it smacks of an agenda rather than reasonability.

You should really think before you speak. Ironically, this is a working example of how a college degree doesn't automatically gift one with good judgment.

I agree with the Olivia Cruise issue (they are great, by the way. going on another in Nov.). Valid point. Many valid points in your post. But, really, its just a show. I am sure that she was told to act in certain ways. As far as how she ran the business..I think the show took priority over being a true business woman. That is, the show became her business, and the gym was just basically her "set" and most of the "employees" knew this. I think the show was the business, not the gym. I am not sure people are really perceiving it this way. A lot of people are saying she is a horrid business person, doesn't know how to treat employees....look, these employees are actors!!! The show is their stage, and so is the gym. Heck, even Peeler is looking to become an action star (good luck). It is not as if a camera crew walked in off of the street and began shooting this arbitrarily. People have to shift their pardigm in terms of perception here. Realize that this is a show, everyone on it is on the show and all carry sag cards.

Must I spell it out for you, or is that a rhetorical question ?

Maybe you should skip back the last 80 pages and read. A GREAT majority are, that is for sure. Nobody used the word victimized, but surely, if you read the posts you can surmise why I used that word.

Wow, Very well put....
Thank you

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I have to hand it to you, Nama. I have lurked on these message boards for years now, but only just now felt the compulsion to register so I could reply to your ridiculous equating of education to integrity.

My father was born in the 1940, in the midwest, and ended up dropping out of school in his eighth grade year, which was not unusual for the time and farm region he grew up in. And while it didn't land him the high-paying career as decades went by, it didn't stop him from holding a job, supporting a family, and maintaining a good sense of character either.

Education and criminal/negative behavior are not exclusive. Yes, education can open up and maintain opportunities that limit the potential for bad choices in life, but in the end, they are choices which are not limited to how far you got in school. Just the same as how decency and honesty are open to anyone who chooses to display it.

What Peeler's education has to do with Jackie and the situation surrounding her? I don't know. You brought it up. In my opinion, your argument is so ill-formed, that it smacks of an agenda rather than reasonability.

You should really think before you speak. Ironically, this is a working example of how a college degree doesn't automatically gift one with good judgment.
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Of course a great deal of posts have been about Peeler, he was on Work Out and he actually showed up here! He actually addressed our concerns! Unlike Bravo & the producers of Work Out. So if you see a lot of posts about Peeler, it's because we tend to chat about current events around here.

We also have posted about Jackie's unprofessional behavior.
But all Jackie defenders want to discuss is Peeler, guess when all you have is the tiniest of ground to stand on....... you'll do anything to defend it!

Then what does it have to do with? You brought it up to show that he "lacks" something. You gave your story about your mother, so why not have the same respect for Peeler? How do you know what he's accomplished in his lifetime?

Please spell it out for me and while you are at it, "show some proof"...

I've read the posts and have a different perspective on them. It's funny how words get tossed into the equation...you say yourself, no one used the word victimized....so why do you use it? That choice tells a lot about your perspective on this situation.

yeah, the Navy Seal thing. I still don't get that. Maybe Peeler can explain it in addition to all his helicopter flying experience?
To the questions regarding me knowing Peeler, it doesn't matter. I said I would only offer up what was already out there and that's what I did.
I don't even give a sh*t about anything he says about himself (excuse me for swearing). The problem I have is that for Peeler, it has nothing to do with what's right. It's only about what works for him and how he'll benefit. He'll throw anyone under the bus to get what he needs. He's not even worth discussing any further. Address your frustrations with Bravo over Jackie or the focus of the show but this other thing, all I can say is that there is a lot of embellishing that goes on in Hollywood. Many people pad their resumes. I'm not saying it's right but where I think it's really wrong is when one fraud starts calling an adversary a fraud and uses it as some sort of platform by which to build themselves up. It's a joke.

The proof is in the posts. Go back, and read them. It is clear that a lot of posters see Peeler as a victim. So, everyone agreed and sure, they are now posting other things to one another because everyone now has a common goal (get rid of Jackie), and group think has managed to cultivate onto the board. When somebody gets on to oppose views WHOOSH others (the group thinkers..like YOU) get on and try to push them out. It is very odd, and funny. Herd effect in effect.

Since so many people here are "intimately involved with the production". Can you answer a question?
Why hasn't Jackie made a statement?
Sponsors have pulled their support, Bravo has lost viewers, fans are upset and disappointed with the show this season.
Why no response?

Peeler is a real jerk, and for some reason, everyone wants him to have his own show (I bet he will ). Sad and strange.

Here it is again!
You attack his Character.

Show us your proof???

I have NO connection whatsoever, but I bet she will make a statement before the show tonight. she should say "listen you bozo's..............its a show, get over it or turn the channel. Now, back to the show".

I do believe Peeler was a victim of Jackie's horrible treatment of everyone on the show this season... but he was not the ONLY one.
This is about so much more than just Peeler! And you know it!
OK Give us some answers to Jackie's behavior and we'll listen. Attacking someone else to justify Jackie's behavior just demeans you and is an insult to my intelligence.

Thats the best you can do to show us Proof of your personal attack on him...

Our intelligence.....

If someone is uneducated, this does not make them socially inept, or otherwise. This is because, despite a formal education, they managed to educate themselves and see maturity as well. However, sometimes, people are not educated, and do not seek to grow. They stay at that intellectual and educational level, be it tenth grade, whatever. THOSE are the type of people that most call "uneducated". That is what he was talking about. Peeler is very immature and clearly has not broadened his horizons.

Exactly.

Well if the Jackie camp can't give us an answer as to why there has not been a statement so far concerning this situation...

Anyone from Bravo or the production company care to pick up the gauntlet?

Show US proof. You know, this is disturbing. I don't have to offer PROOF to an opinion. And, as far as a personal attack, please. If you feel attacked, that is seriously your problem.

Read my post about the show. Look, its a SHOW. The "employees" are cast members. Jackie is not really their boss, they are cast-mates. They are actors and the "gym" is the set. Gee whiz, do you think that they had no idea that there were cameras there? Do you think they carry SAG cards to work in the gym? Its kind of like getting mad at roadrunner for trying to kill the coyote for crap sake. Seriously.

Again, I'm not defending Peeler just stating a FACT (read the posts for PROOF).

When Peeler did come on here, he apologized for his behavior, personally for me that goes a long way. It showed me that he not only realized he had done something wrong, but that he was willing to try to change.

Can't be said for everyone on here. Just stating a fact.

How do I know what Brian has accomplished in a lifetime? Not much. It doesn't even matter what I know because he shares everything with everyone anyway.
Yeah the character thing again, well I know many with PhDs and not all of them are quality people. They're well educated, well spoken individuals thus they earn a great deal of respect but some lack social skills and empathy. Brian Peeler doesn't have any sort of quality or character as a human being regardless of his education. He doesn't respect people. He doesn't respect women. He uses everyone. He can be very charming but it lasts as long as he's getting something. Perhaps, you didn't read the interviews I provided? Now I don't know about you, but I may enjoy taking 3 or 4 women to bed each week but I'm not going to admit it. I wouldn't do it either because it's disrespectful and that's a problem with young men in my community but those are my personal values and Brian is welcome to his. Where this falls apart is when you and Brian begin to tear Jackie Warner down for what you perceive as lack of character and values. Yeah, I'm going to judge a high school drop out a little bit. In this day, there's no excuse for it. My mother dropped out because she had to work. It was a time of segregation and extreme poverty. Don't compare the two. You think Jackie is a bad example or role model? Well, I think a 10th grade dropout is a terrible role model and bad message to put out there especially for young men.

I cannot believe that Jackie Warner would allow herself to be told what to do.(I say this after reading interview after interview about this "strongheaded" woman) I think its the other way around and she runs the show. I for one replied on this board because of Jackie Warner's behavior, I wish the best to Peeler and was upset at how he was fired but it all goes back to Jackie Warners' behavior. Why would she allow herself to look like a fool on national television? She is this big, successful business woman that everyone is apparently either afraid of or wants to kiss her ass! I am sure there are both groups on the Bravo executive staff. So I don't buy for a minute she is a victim and doesn't have any say in how she is portrayed.

It's not just the people of this board that have a comment about Jackie Warner's bad behavior. You can find news, blogs, links on her just about anywhere and they are not all positive. To Nama and the other Jackie supporters, maybe you should make your comments to all the other people out there on the internet, you know the one's that have a problem with Jackie Warner's bad behavior.

Here is one of the latest blurbs I found on Jackie Warner, it pretty much sums it up(its funny) :from theride
"We know that Jackie Warner, fitness guru and star of Bravo’s Work Out is a hot ghetto mess of an individual– the poster child for unprofessional behavior. For the past two and half seasons, Bravo has looked the other way as Jackie openly dated one employee and made sexual advances towards others. But this latest screw up in which Jackie and/or her assistant Lisa made disparaging remarks about the breast implants of a client who happened to be a cancer survivor and the decision by Gatorade (Propel) to pull its sponsorship, may leave Bravo wondering if Jackie, despite the show’s popularity, is more of a liability than an asset."

Wait there is more....
"Now the wait is on to see who files the first lawsuit against Jackie (and possibly Bravo/NBC Universal and the producers of the show). Let’s see, could it be Peeler? He’d have a great “wrongful termination” suit. Could it be the client? I can just imagine the money that her attorney would ask for “pain and suffering”. Oh, she can also claim “loss of income” since she is also a fitness model and could say that editors/photographers, since the disclosure, are reluctant to work with her. The possibilities are endless."
"Oh, before I forget, big boy(Greg P), decides to bring a date to a dinner party given by Jesse for the trainers. Any guess who that date is? No, guess? Give up? It the same chick we saw him training at the gym. Oh yeah. And guess who has something to say about this mixing of business with pleasure? Miss Jackie herself. She likens a gym to a “very social setting” and says that there are “gray areas” when it comes to dating. She cautions that one has know which lines not to cross. Hold up. Wait a hot minute. This talk comes from a woman who openly dated one of her trainers last season. I’d love to know where the “line” is. Is it “no sex in the steam room”? ”No fornicating by the 40 lbs. weights.”? Jackie needs to stop. And I mean stop before she and/or one of her trainers ends up on the receiving end of a sexual harassment lawsuit. It’s not to hard to imagine. The show’s footage would provide the perfect evidence. "

Jackie Warner has a double standard of living and she talks out of both sides of her mouth. Like my Dad alway taught me(rest his soul) if your going to talk the talk then walk the walk!

680 and still counting. Spread the word!

PETITION LOCATION: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/643731154

Oh, so Jackie's behavior is an act! LOL Well, now that you put it that way it..... It's perfectly clear. No person in their right mind would say and do those things unless they knew the public was "in on the joke".
Now I know why we haven't heard from Jackie, she must be writing the next episode. That's really great, I hope they make her even more mean spirited next season.... the fans love that. Wow, I guess you should have told us sooner..... Hey Propel, Olivia, Soyjoy..... it was all just a TV show.

This is SO sick!!!! WE WE WE. has this become some kind of cult? This is sad and sick. Why don't you use this strength "bring it on, I am weary" and do something OUTSIDE of this board? GROUP think once again. Anytime an opposer writes on here, the majority try to bully them. Try not to use the word WE and maybe it won't be SO disturbing and sad.

Want to edit my statement about knowing what Brian has accomplished in his life. I said, not much. What I really mean is, he hasn't accomplished much. You don't even need my proof for that. He's put it all out there even when he adds to it. The guy is a big talker with some big problems.

The issue at hand is still an employer's behavior toward an employee. It doesn't matter which trainer ended up with the pink slip. It might have been Erika, still angry at the Olivia "boot camp" usurpation. A trainer's client had been maligned and answers, not the boot, should have been given. The level of outrage would have been the same, because for many it was the last straw in a moldy bale.

Amen to you PEGLAM. You are so right. I never ever join these message boards but I am so outraged at the posters who clearly have no lives. IT IS JUST A SHOW PEOPLE!!! Watch it and then move on with your life.

Uh, yes, most is an act. ANd, most are not on these boards freaking out about it because they see it that way! "Now I know why WE haven't heard from Jackie". Well, you probably haven't because the shows have not ended and who knows what else will transpire. But, above that, she is not obligated to answer to you. Its a TV show. Of course the ads have been removed because THEY ARE COMPANIES and don't want to lose money!! They don't care whether its real or not. There have been MANY shows that lost company support (ads) remember ELLEN???????? Do you think that was REAL???????????????????????????

We are just a group of people who came here to pronounce our concern with a TV show. We have since realized we were not alone in our thinking... and many people across the country from all walks of life have posted. Some of us have become fast internet friends.
We our Borg...... Resistance is futile... LOL too funny.

Yes WW we did...thank you!

There is a pattern of behavior going on here but of course this is not

news to any of you. Just notice however that this pattern of behavior

is PROVOKING. I swear that the missing clue as to why no one from

Bravo or anyone using the name warner claiming to be Jackie and proved

to be Jackie has come here to address our outrage. Just as Jackie

PROVOKED a reaction out of Brian Peeler so she could justify firing him

she is trying to PROVOKE a reaction from us that will get us all shut

down here in this forum. Of course we all know we have other recourse

where they can't watch us, but what is the point to that? They need

to be able to see that this outrage especially since it is so clear that

this entire incident was provoked. Who do you think is next to be fired

on the show? She is clearly provoking others. Many of you may not

believe this is all part of a plan to get rid of Jackie's Warner's least

favorites. The thing is, the only way this all makes sense is if Jackie

Warner is provoking us. Think about it, even if this just happened

organically with no form of plan to fire a few trainers through

provokation how do we explain those hot new trainers? There is only

so much air time why add so many new people? If we fall in love with

the new guys we won't be so angry about the old trainers. Well, they

were wrong about us. It was bad enough losing Doug last season.

Now Peeler, and we have had hints of moretrainers being fired. Oh

yeah, we lost Zen before the new season even began. So who is next

to fall from this show? Maybe Rebecca? We don't know. I hope not.

Kari Ana

GREAT POST. Yeah, Peeler brags about bedding three or four women a week. Nice guy; he is a misogynist and a lot of his supporters fail to see this. Is jackie perfect? NOPE. Is Peeler a jerk? Sure is. He has lied (unless some can PROVE he was a navy seal) but I have not seen anyone mention this. He deserved to be fired. But, really..he wasn't fired. ITs a show. He is back on the show tonight.

You hit the nail right on the head PEGLAM. I think these posters need to take at least a one minute break from the message board and look in the mirror. Self-introspect people.

was it enough to put out the fires or at least help?

Excuse the repetition ... it seems to be catching:

The issue at hand is still an employer's behavior toward an employee. It doesn't matter which trainer ended up with the pink slip. It might have been Erika, still angry at the Olivia "boot camp" usurpation. A trainer's client had been maligned and answers, not the boot, should have been given. The level of outrage would have been the same, because for many it was the last straw in a moldy bale.

PS ... hope the fires have taken a drenching. Smoke-eating is nasty business.

I can only speak for myself (as a life-less loser with nothing better to do) but I don't plan on dropping the subject anytime soon. I am going to continue to seek answers to my questions.
One thing about us life-less losers, we can be tenacious!

Jackie is probably not getting on here because she does not have to.
she has not hurt you, has she? Turn the channel and move on with your life.

Boy, someone called you that, huh? In real life, or on this board with your fake friends? Is see that WE word again. Uber disturbing.

You mention Peeler being a bully in the 9th grade, being a philanderer, so I'm wondering if this is the opinion you speak of?

He may have been a bully in 9th grade and may be a philanderer, but if these are only opinions they are very creative.

Worry about yourself and your actions. Let other people worry about their own actions. Boy, I'm starting to sound like a chaperone or elementary school teacher.

I'm laughing because you're preaching to the choir here. My whole thing has been about what does any of this have to do with any of them but if they want to make it about them then they have to stop with the double standards. You can't point the finger at one person for a, b and c and not hold the other to the same standard. Peeler has said some down right nasty and horrible things about people. Some you've caught on the show, some you haven't and some of it has been displayed in his own interviews. That's all I'm saying. Okay, I'm going to get a little crude here so to those who are sensitive, please look away. But please, stop showing your ass!
Brian was cast on the show. Jackie would not have hired him. Did it ever occur to you that she had to get "permission" to fire him? All Peeler has done since this 'incident' took place is attempt to build alliances. He even ran to Mimi hoping that she'd pick up his gauntlet of hate but instead she got back together with Jackie. It is just a reality show but Brian and his followers seem to have taken it to another level. What's scariest for me is that Brian is living this out in real time, right now. This is so far in the past. Only Brian is discussing it. Only Brian keeps it going.
It's like there's a problem in his brain and he can't ever let go of anything. It's not just this. It's everything. I sort of feel for the guy because I think there's some sort of learning disability there and because of it, he destroys many of his relationships including his marriage. He also can't ever remember his own lies which is very important if you're going to go down that road. So yeah, there's a little pity there for Peeler but it just ends immediately as soon as he opens his mouth.

NOT an employer. A CASTMATE. ITs a reality SHOW, meaning that they don't use a script but they do inject drama and skew issues in order to satisfy (or, apparently outrage) its viewers. You would be better off going to Walmart, and spying on how they treat their EMPLOYEES. I bet that would outrage you and guess what? They aren't acting.

The post I wrote was aimed at someone else not you. I agree with you, believe me.

It's all smoke screens, innuendo, and lies to deflect from the topic at hand.
Seems like someone wants to show everyone reading these posts that Jackie has some supporters. But coming on here and attacking others is just sad.
Putting others down to try to make yourself look better is the worst kind of character trait.

How about some constructive conversation?

His friend has indicated such on his myspace page.