If it is "just a show" then take what is written here as a critique ... two thumbs down.

Nama,
I do appreciate you addressing what I felt was misogynistic comments on your part. I was the one who called you out on it and I respect that you said something about it.
While I do not agree with many of your opinions, I'm glad you took my concern seriously.

Agreed, OURs!!!!!

So many people who want me to shut up and just go away. Wow, didn't realize that by posting on a message board, I offended your delicate sensibilities.

I will repeat, I am here to address my feelings regarding Jackie Warner's portrayal on a TV show. Why should that offend anyone?
It's just my opinion on a message board. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans, so what's the big deal.
If nothing I say on this message board matters, why all the fuss?

Whether it is the show or the gym that is the business, I am disturbed partially because she put herself out there as a lesbian icon.(Bravo also marketed her as such). I would hate for lesbian teenagers to use her as a role model. I would hate for straight people to look at her, and how she uses her employees as a sexual release how lesbians really act in business, and they have problem keeping proper boundaries. As I said before it if was only one or two things, I would put it off as a few mistakes as a very human person, but she never even sees any of her behavior as dangerous, bad, insulting, or very unprofessional. I own my own business, and I have employees. I respect them because I would not make money without their efforts, and they respect me in return.
Yes it is just a show, but it is one that offended me. It offended quite a few people for different reason, but basically for the same reason. Human beings, especially ones in leadership roles should respect other people, and business contacts. Why try to devalue our emotions, and belittle our beliefs? It only insults us .Bravo wanted us passionate about the show. They got that. Passion usually doesn't stop when someone gets offended, it might actually increase in a very negative way. Some of us are upset about how she is representing the community, some are upset about how she has lack of respect for her clients, some are upset about how she treats her employees

Oh man-- you have no idea. The navy seal thing. I thought it was bad but no one seemed to care. And yeah- it's not employer/employee. Brian admits auditioning. He has a few versions of how it went down but he didn't audition for Jackie. The producers cast him at the beginning because no one knew who Jackie was so doing the whole Work Out/audition for Jackie promotional thing didn't exist yet.
So, I'm just going to repost this article for the people who think we're just making this up. I'll only back up what Brian says himself but interestingly enough, his own words are quite damning and he contradicts himself often.

What I love in the second article is that Brian refers to the people on the message boards as cowards when their against him?

The Charlotte Observer gives the basics:

Peeler grew up in Granite Quarry, just outside Salisbury, and dropped out of East Rowan High in 10th grade. An athlete and certified trainer, he tried working in construction, as a flight attendant and as a model, without much success.

So he sold his stuff and left for California in his beat-up Isuzu, with just enough gas money to get there. He spent his last $20 on a photo to help him get cast as a movie or TV extra, he said.

The casting calls led to few roles. But Peeler made friends, and one told him to capitalize on his trainer experience instead of pining for his dream role. Peeler got a job at a gym and was recruiting customers when he heard about tryouts for the Bravo show.

Peeler said he crashed the audition for kicks. He nailed the gig by being himself. Now he’s on TV, doing what he loves and hoping for his next big break.

“I came out here with nothing, and now my life is so great,” said Peeler, soon to be married.



This interview shows Peeler in his element. Take this and match it up to the recent one you guys posted. He also must have forgotten what he told The Charlotte Observer. I think we learn a great deal in the 11th and 12th Grades? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we should stop at Middle School?

Hello Work Out fans. Today I have the hottie..err, I mean the amazing trainer Brian Peeler of Bravos Work Out on the phone.

Brian Peeler: Hello.
Us: Hello Peeler.

Us: First off, congratulations on your recent nuptials.

BP: Thank you.

Us: So, do you read the Bravo boards?
BP: I have read the message boards. There are a lot of haters there. People are like he’s a douche, [expletive deleted], they are mean. Once, someone made a bad comment about Doug. I got so mad. I responded. They didn't post my reply though. I waited the 24 hours it takes to get it approved but it didn't make it I guess.
Us: People are brave at their keyboards.
BP: Right. If they got a problem with me, they know where I'm at. I'm at 35 Wilshire from 8am until 9pm.

Us: Are you portrayed accurately on the show?
BP: Yeah, I think so. You don't get to see the nicer side of me.

Us: We got to see more of you this season. Do you think it was because of your friendship with Doug?
BP: Laura Alverez is the producer and let the audience see the real me. She wasn't like our producer from season 1. She liked to stir up drama and made me a meathead. I'm really easy going.

Us: Are you close with any of the other trainers?
BP: I was close with Doug. He was like family. We hung out. He was my girl-gurl. I am close with Andre, Jesse too I guess.
Us: Do you get fans coming up to you, recognizing you?
BP: Yeah, all the time. People do think they know me when they see me and that’s ok. I'm very personable and friendly. If it wasn't for the fans, I wouldn't be anybody, know what I mean? I'm very approachable. I also used to be a ladies man. I met my wife about a month before the show but before that, there were 3-4 women a week in my bed. There were no complaints though. They knew what they were getting into. I wasn't looking for a relationship.

Us: You both were consenting adults doing what you wanted to do, right?
BP: Right.

Us: What do you do other then training?

BP: I race cars and motorcycles professionally. I also do stunt driving. I fly planes and helicopters. I used to be a flight attendant for US airways.

Us: Wait a minute, a flight attendant?
BP: Yeah, they had a program where you didn't need a 4 year degree to get your flying time in. I also modeled in Miami. I decided Hollywood was where I needed to be. I have been here about 3 1/2 years now.
Us: You're very funny. We saw Zen try her hand at stand up. Have you ever thought of giving it a try?
BP: I am a comedian. I will have you pissing your pants. I should charge people for a work out when I get them laughing. That’s $135 an hour. But I'm not comfortable trying to be funny..I'm very competitive. I drive the fastest cars, fastest motorcycles. I can't be put on the spot and be funny. It doesn't work that way for me. Stand up comedy or theatre is not my thing.

Us: Is there anything about the show you would like to see changed?
BP: Less drama.
Us: Lesbian drama?
BP: Lol, Less drama.

Us: Speaking of lesbian drama, how real was the Rebecca/Jackie fling?
BP: It was real. Rebecca was like how can I get more face time and it was F^ck Jackie. So she did.
Us: So Jesse was right when he said that about Rebecca on the show?
BP: Yes.

Us: When will you be shooting season 3?
BP: We start shooting in Oct. But I'm not sure who will be there. I'm going to have to go Omorosa to stay and get more face time.

Us: Why wouldn't you be on the show?
BP: Jackie had trainer tryouts and she hired two trainers, Agostino and Chris (we couldn't find any information on the new guys) and we are not sure what they are going to focus on. We think the seasons focus will be on SkyLab.

Us: How did you hear about the show? Did you already work for Jackie?
BP: No, I was a trainer somewhere else. I had tried out for a documentary then six months later I get a call saying I had got the show for Bravo. I was like Bravo? What’s Bravo? I had never heard of it or watched it. So I was like Ok, Bravo, a predominately gay network, that’s fine. I'm no homophobe. Lol, Doug and I went to gay clubs, and Doug would be like " We are like gods, lol" It was amazing. You remember the house, where we had Doug’s birthday party at? That was Doug’s place. He lived with the creator of Desperate Housewives. It doesn't pay nothing though, being on Work Out.

Us: You don't get paid for being on the show?
BP: We get paid but it isn't much. For season 1, we got $350 per episode. For season 2, we got $500 per episode.
Us: That’s it!?!
BP: That’s it. That’s why reality shows are so popular. They are cheap to make. I'm a SAG actor and with the minimum pay per week, we should be getting $3000-6000 per week with the hours we put in. The shows budget was $1.96 million. That’s nothing.

Us: Wow, that’s terrible. Does the exposure help you get clients?
BP: Not really. I’ve not had a lot of extra people to train since the show. I charge $135 an hour. Jackie charges $400 per hour. People want Jackie. It’s a 70-30 split with Jackie and I pay a $15 gym fee. People want to see, not work out. I get more people from Myspace wanting to work out then I get from people who watched the show. I am a teacher and I care about my clients. If you don't plan on taking care of your body where do you plan on living for the rest of your life? I want to teach them to take care of themselves.

Us: I think I would ask for a pay raise.
BP: I am. If they don't want to then I'm going to try for my own show. Right now I'm locked in, no training anywhere else. Something I want to try to do is workout videos on the web. It will be $10 a month for six videos and four new ones added a month.

Us: That’s a great idea for people like me who can't get to you or your gym.
BP: Right. It would be basic stuff you can do at home.

Us: Tell me about Jesse.
BP: Jesse is Jackie’s puppet, Rebecca too. Jesse puts on a show, its who he is.

Us: Was Mimi as bad as she seemed on TV?
BP: There is a reason people are the way they are with Jackie. Mimi painted a picture of Kate and I kissing. I have that picture. She was all right. Jackie was edited to look better. Jackie has a lot of issues I think. She’s kind hearted but I think issues with her dad and other stuff have affected her. I’ve tried to get to know Jackie but she doesn't return calls. Jackie and I are competitive too. Jackie was like I can take any girl away from her. No, you can't.

Us: Do you watch any TV?
BP: Yeah, I like Prison Break, Greys Anatomy, House, Entourage. I was watching Real Housewives of Orange County before we got our show. I watch Kathy Griffin but I can only take her for a little bit.

Us: Do you have anything you would like to say to your fans?
BP: I'm gay.
Us: Well, your wife will be upset to hear this.

BP: Just kidding. No, I want to thank them and let them know to feel free to approach me. I was getting ice cream for my wife a few days ago and I could hear this girl going "is that the guy...?" and her friends were like go ask him but she wouldn't. Go ahead and ask me, I don't mind. I'm not psycho. I will not turn on you.

Us: Some people wouldn't want to be approached, that their "private life" was being imposed upon.
BP: My Private life is in private, at home. When I am in public, it’s not my private life. Also, don't forget to check out my website, http://www.brianpeeler.com/.

Us: Thanks for calling Peeler. Feel free to contact us if you ever have the anything you'd like to promote or to tell your fans.
BP: OK, will do. Maybe tell Bravo we need more then eight episodes.

US: Well, we started a petition at our Top Chef blog to get Ted Allen on TC full-time and it worked. Maybe we could do the same for you?
BP: Hell yeah, do a petition. Do a petition to get me my own show, lol.

Us: We will get that petition started Peeler, good luck

http://bravissimoblog2.blogspot.com/2007/0...ian-peeler.html

Here is some constructive criticism: You need to realize that your "outrage" can be used for something more useful. Turn off the tv and pick up a newspaper. Did you know that there is a war in Iraq? Have you tried to do something about this? (don't lie, now). Did you know that people are suffering in Darfur? Did you know that children are being beaten and neglected? Does that outrage you? Have you thought of doing something about that? Listen, its a show. No smoke and mirrors here. It just disturbs me that this common thing you have on this board is hatred for Jackie, who is basically a tv character. That's right! A tv character. So, posters are banding togehter in this fake world and writing to one another about it. Group think has taken over and if it weren't so scary, it would be laughable. Please, sit down, close your eyes and think about this whole Jackie thing. Realize how stupid it is and put the flintstones on.

Thanks for stating so.

Though I gotta tell you, there have been horrendous lies posted about me on myspace by jealous people (other actors who don't get the same quality of parts I do.)

I'm not saying this friend made anything up, I wouldn't know. But I know from experience to take everything on there with a grain of salt.

Every Broadway producer knows the risks of raising the curtain. They don't wait until 1am to watch the dew rise. Critics make or break a show. I guess you can see which way this is going.

That is pretty gross!
But you know how guys are. I dont know if i believe it, however, the fact that he would say something like that is a total turn off.

I decide what causes I feel I need to support. I am supporting the other posters who were all former viewers of Work Out and are upset and disappointed by the portrayal of Jackie Warner this season.

Okay...forgive me if I am talking out my ass here...was minding my own business cooking white lasagna (terrific BTW) pop back in and someone has played the freakin race card? Are you kidding me? We have been spewed at for the last two weeks, being accused of being gay-hating bigots and now, NOW, when that didn't work you want to pull out the race card! I am so furious right now....I'm going to walk away before my friend JC gets very disappointed with me. Just one thing before I go and cool off....I have given much thought to many of the posts that I have read over the last several weeks....and I must tell you that I am very proud to be a part of such a diverse, intelligent, honest, open-minded group of people. Take your freakin' race card and shove it up your ass!

GREAT post, again. Yeah, he called the posters cowards before. But, now the posters love him and hate jackie. Strange stuff. What gets me is, they are so outraged by the whole thing, and have NO idea that its a show. It is as if someone went into a gym with a hidden camera and voila, here it is on TV. It is so funny. How come nobody has challenged his lie about being a navy seal????
Nobody can see that he is an actor, Jackie is an actress (I think she has been in some stuff before her gig) , Rebecca is an actress, Greg P. is an actor.
Nice information you have in your post.

My cousin has been on three tours in Iraq, so yes, I am fullyf*ckingaware there is a war going on. I have talked with him. Now the military wants him to go back for another.

Perhaps follow your own advice and get off the message boards and go read a book.

[quote name='LiaminLongBeach' date='May 20, 2008 - 08:58 PM' post='255051'
I will repeat, I am here to address my feelings regarding Jackie Warner's portrayal on a TV show. Why should that offend anyone?
It's just my opinion on a message board. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans, so what's the big deal.
If nothing I say on this message board matters, why all the fuss?
[/quote]


Amen Liam

AHA!!! That WE word again!!!! Lets see...who can WE bully......you found someone! Yeah! Come on, everyone, lets Bully the opposers!!! whoo hooo. Herd effect in effect. Take your remote and shove IT up your ass..seems you aren't using it to change your channel.

Why the desperate need for me to go away?
If I don't like what is posted here, I express my disagreement. But I don't have the right to tell anyone what they should and should not do with their time and money. I can only decide those things for myself.
I take umbrage with your continually telling me what you believe I should be doing.

Way out of line. No class whatsoever.

Oh dear! Several of us have gone down that road before. I've been accused of being about 9 different people on the board just because I disagree. I supposedly hate fat people because I think the obese people on the show are adults and can make their own decisions. If they didn't like Jackie, don't like Jackie or whatever then they could have easily left.
No one here wants to think of the bigger picture. This is the BIGGEST ISSUE EVER!! I've said it, others have said it. This IS NOT a big deal! Think about the world, go visit a hospital, adopt an animal form the shelter, evaluate your hate but they enjoy the mob mentality. They want to form a virtual gang and attack to destroy. It reminds me of Lord of the Flies.

Nothing wrong with that at ALL. What IS wrong is bullying the opposers and using this group think behavior. Hey, if someone disagrees with the majority, so be it. But, here, people use the word WE "We don't agree with you", etc..and , frankly, its disturbing. How about the post a few ahead of this one, the guy that made the lasagna and told the one guy to shove something up his ass? THAT is what I am talking about, and it is ALL over this board. That is the fuss. The herd effect. It just bothers me, that's all. It is that mentality that bothers me. Lots of bad history in the world due to group thinkers.

What part of "Bring it on I am weary" did you not understand? (notice "I" did not say "We"!). "I" think what is so "disturbing and sad", and "sad and sick" to "you" is that your opinion is not in the majority. Now, that having been said - your opinion is being heard, and is being responded to, and I might add, is being given quite a bit of attention to (just as nama's and other's). Despite the same courtesy not being given to mine or ours!

Just because there are multiple people who happen to agree on something does not mean that it is a "cult" or that those people are not thinking as individuals. Maybe you should consider that if multiple individuals share an opinion about something, perhaps they might have a reason for sharing that opinion? Maybe there is something to that opinion. But, no, I am asking you to have an open mind and I err in doing so as your posts to date have shown no such inclination. So, continue to judge, be disturbed, label, and call names, whatever makes you comfortable in your own opinion!

You are getting your screen names mixed up and replying to your own posts. Too funny!

AMEN TO YOU!!!!!! Watch out though, lord of the flies IS here!! It is THAT which disturbs me, too. I could care less about their opinions, but it is that MOB mentality (good one), that is so disturbing. They feel as if they have a commonality (hatred) and just go crazy on these boards and try to bully opposers. It is the sheep mentality that is killing me, here.

I've never used the term "we" as anything I have to say is mine alone. You lump everyone in a group, which has lead to many incidents of bad history in the world.

Uh, acutually, (don't faint) you have a couple of REAL opposers here. How are you going to handle it??? Uh oh.......

!!!! Liam, 1 of 680, have I told you lately that I love you?!!!!

Very nice.

Yes Jackie has harmed all of us. We LOVED Jackie Warner from the

first two seasons and this season has shown us that the person we

thought she was is not only not Jackie Warner but that she is a

heartless narcissist who would sell out anyone to get what she

wants. She will walk on anyone. I don't care to allow a bully to

continue on unchecked. I believe she purposely set up Brian Peeler

to make him lose his temper so she could fire him. I think she hired

the hot Greg and the new massage therapist as well as Agostina

and the other new people so we wouldn't miss the trainers she has

planned to fire. Jackie Warner is capable of terrible behavior and

the more people who knows this the better.

Jackie supporters have accused us of so many things that are not

even close to the truth. That is just another way Jackie has harmed

all of us here.

Kari Ana

I am here to express my disappointment with the show Work out.

Well, if you haven't, I am not referring to you. However, when you say that I lump everyone in a group, you kind of are allying yourself with those of whom I AM referring. And, you are right about it leading to many horrors in history, but that was really group think, wholly.

It's WE love you! remember.....??? And WE love you too

I don't think you need 97 posts to do that, do you? You just said it. No need to say it again. Heard and recorded.

Shouldn't that face be crying, because it is really sad?

Yes, very nice indeed. Sad, but nice. People don't need to band together on a message board to voice an opinion about a person on a show. Write it, and move on. Once you start bullying opposers..guess what? Its no longer just voicing an opinion.
Come one, come all.

97? ...you're catching up

Sorry about the pause in posting that. A calf got loose in the front yard.

Now if the guineas would calm down.

Well said, Fallzone, and it did not take a full page post reposted three times to say it! Too bad no one with an opposing view seems willing to read it (short and sweet as it is) and respond to it! I guess there must not be a good, or valid argument against it.

So you admit the only thing you know about peeler is what you read about him (what he shares). You base your judgement on that. You have no firsthand knowledge...you are just going by the news. Is that what you are saying?



Again based on what? You are making some broad assumptions for just reading about someone.



Perhaps we dont' see "character" as the same thing. I see character as.....if someone wasn't around would you act the same way. Do you go thru a red light at 3 am when no one else is around...that sort of thing. Learning from mistakes and being humble enough to admit those mistakes Not being two faced. That's how I view character. If he's honest about what he does, I dont' really have a problem with that. Jackie on the other hand seems to rationalize and justify, rather than learn and change.

While I agree that everyone should at the very least have a high school education (I"m a PhD candidate) I don't think it's a necessity to be a success. He is making something of himself, which is more than a lot of highschool drop outs do. As long as someone can support themselves...what they do is up to them (as long as it's legal) My mom had to quit school to work and raise a family as well. I think kids that quit today are plain silly, but on the other hand, some have very good trades. As the saying goes "the world needs ditch diggers".

As much as you say we are tearing down jackie for her character and values, you have done the same with peeler if not more. You brought his education into this as if it were relevant. It is not. To me that's the same as bringing up that jackie is a lesbian. Neither matters.

I disagree. I watch the show, and I will continue to watch it AND I got the workout DVD today. I get along with the people on this board just fine. Because i am respectful of their opinions.

I know, its very difficult attempting to slay a gaggle of dragons at a time.

Nama made no such distinction in his argument when he brought education level into his argument on Peeler's character, so your emphasis that 'that' is what he meant, is just something I'll have to take your word for, since Nama was unable to articulate this himself... despite a college education.

You know what else schooling doesn't automatically enable: maturity.

While you graciously noted that uneducated people can be socially adept and mature, you fail to admit that the opposite can definitely be true of those who pursue higher education.

Afterall, a high school degree doesn't prevent thousands of college students from indulging reckless or juvenille behavior like excessive drinking, drug experimentation, unsafe sex, having keggars, hazing, stealing, cheating, pulling pranks, or just having a frat mentality about it all.

Nor does achieving a college degree prevent that twenty-something person from carrying on that mentality after he leaves said institution.

Because we've seen nearly everyone on this show, since it's inception, behave in a way that was negative, immature, or mean-spirited, Jackie included. Jackie, a woman by your description having broaden her horizons, and yet, still exhibits childish behavior at times.

So if education doesn't ensure integrity/maturity one way or the other, what does this all mean? That education is IRRELEVANT and has nothing to do with the situation. It should never have been brought up, nor the attempt made to further explain or justify it.



To be honest, I think the overall tone of the season has gotten progressively worse in attitude and personality. This extends over the majority of the staff, with Jackie at the helm being their manager and the one responsible in setting a positive environment. Peeler hasn't always been a role model on the show, but he has typically been protective of his clients. So, amongst a season where the others have become increasingly careless with their charges, it has made Peeler and Plitt stand out for their efforts on empathizing with their customer.

Sadly, for the sake of this show, I think this is what many have walked away with so far.

Oh bother ... someone mentioned junior high teacher. Find them. "...of whom" implies belonging. Perhaps you wish to join this critics corner after all.

You speak of mob mentality. Do you mean everyone who disagrees with you? Or just those who use the word "we"?
I ally myself with myself. I read what people have to say and expect the same in return. I posted this because in your posts I got the impression you were guilty of very groupings that have offended you. If you treat everyone like they are out to get you eventually they all will be.

I've made it clear that I am upset because I've lost people I love to cancer and it isn't something to be flippant about. Its a horrible death.

Agreed. I didn't address the education component of the argument since that was not the case of the posters father. I simply agreed that one that did not have the advantage of a formal and higher education, was not destined to be a dolt or a menace to society. That said, I agree that education and immaturity are not mutually exclusive. A degree does not create high moral character or code, nor does it create maturity. There are many physicians sitting in orange suits waiting his turn for the exercise yard due to sociopathy, greed, and other personality disorders. No argument here.

but the difference is...Ellen was a sitcom. Jackie is promoting herself as a trainer/nutritionist in real life. it's her business. it's her life. It's not a sitcom. The trainers may be actors, but she is not. Do you see the difference?

I am here to express my disappointment with people telling me how I should feel & how I should react concerning the show Work Out.

If you read it ,you would see that I used Ellen as an example because the poster argued that due to the workout shows reality, the advertisers took the ads off the air. Read before you post. You just made my argument for me.

I am disappointed that you are here to express yourself too.

LiamLongBoy who exactly are you talking to?

Clarekota(?) you said something about a family member being in Iraq, then how on earth is it okay that Brian falsely claimed to have been a Navy Seal? Do u know how difficult that is? Do u know what kind of honor that is? Do u realize how completely insulting that is to anyone who knows or is an actual Navy Seal? I don't think Brian Peeler can distinguish between his imaginary world and his real world. I had no idea he was a high school dropout but now that I know, I'm not surprised.

This argument has been all over the place. 1st, Jackie insulted a breast cancer survivor! OH NO! Not only did Jackie not know she had cancer but the woman ADMITS to having her breasts done for VANITY! 2nd, Brian was fired for defending a client. please. She's hardly a client. They kind of sort of know each other. 3rd, Jackie is inappropriate with employees, relationships even though all involved are consenting adults. 4th, what is the 4th Kari Ana? That we can't allow people to behave in such a manner? I love that one. I think I've told you before to spare us and take it to a prison. We have offenders up for parole and offenders at large, I think they can probably keep you busy for a lifetime. 5th and 6th reasons? Their all just excuses to rationalize your hate and feel like you belong to something. I think I said this the last time I was here, I fear what will become of Brian and his followers should Jackie get down on her hands and knees and beg for your forgiveness. I don't think that's what you want. I think you have too much fun picking her apart and attacking her.We already know it's all Brian Peeler has going on. You guys accuse anyone who disagrees as being a Jackie groupie or something like that OR you accuse them of actually being Jackie! But somehow it's okay for Peeler to show up here? Do you not find that odd? I actually think Peeler showing up on a message board is a bit pathetic and dare I say, unprofessional! Doesn't he have a publicist? Isn't he a big star now or something?

How do you come to the conclusion that he is a mysogynist? Because he doesn't like jackie? Do you know what the word means?

The SEAL thing was a joke. He was just being sarcastic with gregg and trying to "one up" him. Am I the only one that saw the joke?