Cut to scene of CLARAKOTKA, LIAMINLONGBEACH and JCPALMSPRINGS

CLARAKOTKA: It'll be okay Liam, JC isn't really gay!

LIAMINLONGBEACH: But it's our honeymoon, Clara! What was he doing in delicto with Plitt for?

JCPALMSPRINGS: It was the damn toaster!!!

Anyone care to address Jackie's behavior and not attack another individual?

If you are reading these posts for the first time, go back further than two or three pages. Many people appear on these boards around this time and fill them up with pointless rhetoric and name calling.

It is not always like that!

Huge Huggie from me. I own you one from before. I don't like to be told what to feel either, or what actions I should or should not take, because someone else doesn't think that such actions should be taken about a show.

Are you still engaged??????
Do I get an invite to the wedding?

You have this all wrong. The BULLY is Jackie Warner. We are

standing up AGAINST the bully. Those who support the victims

of bullys do not become like the bully. We are fair minded people

who are asking the BULLY to apologize appropriately to the victims

of their behavior. Until she does, we will not stop. How else does

society stop a BULLY? Stand up against them.

Kari Ana

Thanks, I needed a smile.

It is so true, anytime somebody defends Jackie, they are accussed of being Jackie. You are right, if something happened, and Jackie and Peeler said it was all one big joke, these posters woud still find issues. It's not so much about Jackie anymore with the majority here. Its about banding together and bullying opposers. Its so sick. I have never posted till I read these boards. I saw what was happening. And, those that oppose decide not to come back because they said what they wanted to say and figure the bullying is not worth it. I have not really seen any posts aside from maybe five posters that seem to see that this is just a SHOW. And, if you oppose one, another comes on to defend the other. Its quite odd. And scary. And kind of funny in a sick way. Its like a train wreck that i cannot stop watching.

Do you not see that you defend and excuse all of Brian's ignorant, abhorrent behavior while using Jackie's life and choices against her?

Yes Liam...I as well...I have just lost my patience with the few (very few) posters who have elected to spew hateful, low class remarks rather than express their opinions (however emotionally, I am emotional too) in an intelligent, cival, adult way. I am disturbed with the way that Jackie has behaved...plain and simple, end of story. I don't hate anyone. I am not an anti gay bigot. I am simply someone that has enough self esteem to believe that when I feel strongly about something, I should stand Up. I am standing up...loud and proud! That's it!

Well I didn't want to do it here but, will you be my Best Man/Maid of Honor? Best Maid? We gays need some new lingo to deal with all of this gender specific jargon. LOL

We can come to you, I hear there is a charming little farm in your neck of the woods. Think it would be a good place for a wedding and/or reception?

I find it highly amusing and to use your own word... disturbing that you say that we are "bullying" you... Did we attack you? Did we tell you that you had no right to express your opinion and should be doing other "more important" things with your time? Did we post a buch of stuff and demand that you accept every bit of it as the gospel truth and call you all sorts of names/accuse you of all sorts of awful things if you espressed doubt or wanted to discuss it? Did we talk down to you and insult your inteligence and call you a bigot? Did we question your assertion of your sexual orientation, whether you or a loved one had had cancer.....

NO, YOU DID ALL OF THOSE THINGS, YOU ARE THE BULLYS!
We have shown that we are more than willing to discuss things, and we have shown great patience, but the bullying, name calling, and patronizing (and you know that you are the ones doing it!) need to stop!

I think it started because you said it was an act. Companies didn't want to be associated with ellen because she was coming out and it was much more contraversial a few years ago. Companies are pulling away from jackie becasue she/bravo did not portray them in the light they were told they would be portrayed. Do you think it's nice to trash a company that just gave you and your employees a free cruise?

Its clarakotka. Learn it, live it, love it. (Had to make a Jawbreaker reference)

Yes, I did write something about my cousin, a Marine, doing three tours in Iraq.
I thought Brian was being sarcastic about it, it seemed clear to me that he was.
And yes, I understand how difficult it is, what an honor it is and that it would be insulting if he weren't joking around. And I can spell out the word "you". (People not using proper English is a pet peeve of mine.)

I dropped out of high school. I have since gone back and graduated and am a junior in college with 4.0 GPA. I am also a published poet. So I really don't see what dropping out has to do with future success. I've read several posts about this matter and ... oh well. I don't recommend leaving high school by any means, but I do know people with Master's degrees who a real dumbasses.

Wow! That was so well written, You really have a strong vocabulary. This is sarcasm....

No, he was not kidding. He was serious as a heart attack. He is a liar.

About seven minutes until the next "scene" airs. This season has given us insight into morbid obesity, fidelity, bulimia, energy vampirism and office management. The teaser suggests this script will be heavy on binge drinking as it impacts castmates.

I do. I'll compromise with you and just call him a ManHo. Isn't Jackie's sexual behavior something you have a problem with? Or are you going to say that's someone else? Because you get all upset when she has a few girlfriends but Brian frequenting strip clubs and sleeping with them in multiple numbers is okay? Just checking. Sleeping with a lot of women and talking about it, is not being a mysogynist. Do I have a problem with jackie's sexual behavior? Do you mean...do I think it was fine for her to make out in a public bathroom? No I dont' think that's fine. Would I sleep with my employees? Probably not. They are all consenting adults however, so....

The SEAL thing was a joke. He was just being sarcastic with gregg and trying to "one up" him. Am I the only one that saw the joke? I guess I didn't think it was funny. I didn't see anyone else on the show laughing. I can't help it everyone is a bit slow in the humor area. It was obviously a "male ego one upsmanship" type of thing.

before I forget, I'm a veteran and was in the first Iraq war.

Yes, we must all listen to the EXPERT on BULLYING, She definitely knows of what she speaks (and if we do not, she will be glad to show us more of what she speaks!!!!). She is right you know, she has started bullying opposers, and so now she is no longer just voicing an opinion... Quoted from her own post, no less!!!!!

If you are reading the boards for the first time. Put the posters who are trying to shout the loudest on ignore. And please read the truly heartfelt posts concerning this show. Most are further back at this point.

I was a fan that's why I am here.

Well, it is an act, primarily. They are all card carrying actors and most had to audition for the show. Their are cameras, actors, and injections of drama..I call that an act. The poster argued that the advertisers pulled the ads because its not a show, its real. That is not why they pulled it. They pulled it because they did not want to lose money by virute of the shows opposers not buying the product. Believe me, the companies have no objections to anything if they are going to make a buck from it. They pull their ads when consumers indicate that they will not buy the product if they don't . Period. they could give a rats ass about Jackies portrayal. The number of protesters is their bottom line, don't let that get lost in the shuffle. If nobody communicated their displeasure to them, they would not have pulled it. Period.

Translation: Please come with us. Don't listen to the opposers. I will be right back with the Kool aid.

Ouch that smarts. I am an expert on bullying..and you are a bully.

"heartfelt" posts??? Are you kidding???
IT IS A SHOW

You are not the only one who saw the joke. But I have never observed the self-named "opposers" joke, so do not know if they do, or even if they know how to. Perhaps they do not recognize one. I doubt that they will admit the SEAL thing as one in any case as it serves as a handy attack on Peeler and that appears to be the tangent they have settled on (as they do not want to address the core issue you so eloquently stated earlier).

I wonder if Peglam minds the moniker "them" as much as she seems to mind the one "we"?

You are being sardonic, not sarcastic.

There have been many industry professionals posting on these boards as well as at least one cast member.
And since these are Bravo's message boards I don't think it would be out of line to assume someone from Bravo reads these boards.
To these individuals, read some of the other 104 pages.

You will know this board is usually quite civil.

they are interchangeable.

Hey guys I was watching Animal Cops Houston and they were trying to catch a rabid monkey and the guy said "Don't address it directly" "Don't look directly at it, It sees it as a threat"
So he just ignored it and it calmed down and sat in the corner and ate a banana.

Anyone have a banana?

You may be civil but you sure don't know how to spell it.....

Actually, the posts are quite uncivil, which is why I felt compelled to write. The posts were full of hatred, and just because you all agreed to hate does not make it civil. It is a clear group think exercise. So, don't pretend that it was at all civil. It was shared bitterness. Now, some opposers (no, not cast members, or one of the same person) have come on and you are completely out of of your element and cannot function as you did before. Yes, you were CIVIL to one another because you all agreed. Now, because there are opposers, it is no longer civil, eh?

They are relative, not synonymous.

Do you PROMISE to eat it ??

I WILL TYPE THIS OUT IN CAPS AS YOU SEEM TO BE HARD OF HEARING. WE DO NOT HOLD JACKIE'S LIFE AND CHOICES AGAINST HER - MOST OF US USED TO BE FANS. WE HAVE GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT THE CRUEL, UNPROFESSIONAL AND UNJUST WAY SHE TREATED SEVERAL CLIENTS AND TRAINERS EARLIER THIS SEASON (AND THE WAY SHE HAS LIED ABOUT THE INCIDENTS SINCE). THIS IS NOT ABOUT BRIAN AND NEVER HAS BEEN. (AND YOU KNOW IT, OR IF YOU REALLY DON'T, GO BACK AND READ THE POSTS, GUYS, SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, PLEASE!)

I would love to be your best person. I have heard of a nice farm too. It would be a good place.

Lumping again? I am always in my element.

Interchangeable does not imply synonymous. It means given certain conditions, they can be used as if they were...I said sarcastically with a sardonic grin. Or, was that sardonic with a sarcastic grin? I will leave that to you.

And so? Brian isn't just a dumbass, he's a compulsive liar with major conflict resolution issues. It's already been said but there are people who lack a formal education who are very well-read, intelligent and so on, that's not Brian Peeler. I suspect he was seriously behind as a sophomore in high school and I pretty much think that's where he's remained emotionally and intellectually.

That's fantastic! You're a poet and I didn't even know it. I'm sorry I couldn't resist. I've seen this a lot on the board, I'm a this and I'm a that and it's all used to justify why you are somehow more valid as a person therefore, you are allowed and obligated to call Jackie Warner (a person you don't know) out on her behavior. I don't think it matters what someone has been through. How many outraged breast cancer patients or people who have lost 'many' to breast cancer were outraged here and yet, the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer foundation along with others haven't said a word? ( BTW: if you are someone who has lost 'many' to Breast Cancer then you really need to address your environmental surrounding because there's something dangerous going on there.) Most of us have been touched by breast cancer or some other kind of cancer in one way or another. It still doesn't justify or validate going on some major offensive because a comment about breast implants were made. It's been established that comments and the breasts themselves are totally unrelated to the cancer. Then FGNelson went on about how compassionate she is because she fosters children, has adopted and experienced death. That's all very wonderful and tragic but again, don't pretend that one thing has anything to do with another. We ALL have our struggles. None of them justify pointing a judgemental finger at another UNLESS, a serious crime was committed. That was not the case here. Not even CLOSE!

I came to the message boards here to get some gossip about a couple of shows. Mostly, I just read. It was supposed to be fun but instead I find people trying to make a giant case out of nothing. I find myself talking about my sister who was killed by a drunk driver right in front of me????? WTF? I guess the only reason I hung around is because I wanted those of you who won't let it go realize that it just doesn't f*cking matter! Bravo is 100% about entertainment! That's it! It's the only reason I was ever here or watched this show or another! How sad is the world when we can't have a little fun on a ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL/WEBSITE?????? There are so many places for social issues and trust me, Jackie Warner is not one of them. I would argue that Brian fits the profile of the average violent offender in prison. So we could make that a social issue.

It might be a "show" but it is marketed as a real thing. There is a real sky sport spa. Jackie is marketing herself as real trainer, etc. She is a real business owner making the comments that she made and doing what she is doing.

I dont' for one minute think the companies didn't have a cost/benefit meeting about it. They didn't pull because of jackie, they pulled because of the fans.

Them and We. No, I don't mind it at all, it serves my theory very well.

Yes, I know it is a television show. The thing is, it is a reality television

show which I know is scripted. In know way does this give Jackie

Warner or any other person to treat people who are employeed by

them in the manner that Jackie is treating them. Also, the only

person who says that Jackie did not say negative things about Brian's

client is Jackie Warner. Jackie Warner's behavior changed from the

first season. Considering how much people loved the first season one

might think that the second season would have been much the same.

It wasn't Jackie began to bully people during the second season. I

let it go because of how much I admired her. I let it go because Doug

passed away and sometimes people's behavior will change. I let it

go because it appeared Jackie and Rebecca were falling in love. I know

Rebecca is an actress. Some things are not acting. The hurt I have

seen in Rebecca's eyes from Jackie's behavior is not acting. It is

easy for some people to just allow bullying because to go up against

a bully can be extremely dangerous. Mostly because those who are

afraid of the bully will employ the tactics of the bully to shout down

those standing up for the bully. The thing is, in this forum we all

speak at the same level because it is text. Even all capitols are not

truly louder than regular print from computer writers. Perhaps if you

stop defending Jackie's horrible behavior and just went elsewhere we

all might go back to making cookies and our choice to not listen to

the lies and baiting of Jackie Supporters will not offend you anymore.

Kari Ana




Um, Kari? Do you know its a show? Do you know that ? How else will society stop a bully? Well, lets see...Society stops bullies by filing a court order and sending them to jail. Or, if its in school, sending a note home to the parent or putting them in detention. I don't want to write too much here because I am thinking you are probably a young kid who does not know better. But, writing on a message board does not a bully stop....honest injun.

And I suppose your posts are the epitome of civility?

Well, if you "used to be fans." Why are you on the message boards?

Exactly, regarding the companies arguement.
Although I am not positive, I don't think skysport existed until the show started. I read that they rented it for the show. But, not too sure about that.

[quote name='Dacia' date='May 20, 2008 - 07:18 PM' post='255151']
And so? Brian isn't just a dumbass, he's a compulsive liar with major conflict resolution issues. It's already been said but there are people who lack a formal education who are very well-read, intelligent and so on, that's not Brian Peeler. I suspect he was seriously behind as a sophomore in high school and I pretty much think that's where he's remained emotionally and intellectually.

That's fantastic! You're a poet and I didn't even know it. I'm sorry I couldn't resist. I've seen this a lot on the board, I'm a this and I'm a that and it's all used to justify why you are somehow more valid as a person therefore, you are allowed and obligated to call Jackie Warner (a person you don't know) out on her behavior. I don't think it matters what someone has been through. How many outraged breast cancer patients or people who have lost 'many' to breast cancer were outraged here and yet, the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer foundation along with others haven't said a word? ( BTW: if you are someone who has lost 'many' to Breast Cancer then you really need to address your environmental surrounding because there's something dangerous going on there.)
/quote]

My family is in California, Oregon, Georgia and Illinois, so I doubt environmental factors play that big a part in it all.

I am really a published poet. Would you enjoy links to my work to prove this fact? I can supply them for you. I'd love for you to buy some of the lit-zines I'm featured in.

EDIT: I just noticed I spelled California wrong! Silly.

To anyone from Bravo, the cast and crew of Work Out, and other fans/viewers of Work Out, just know that there is a large group of posters who were loyal viewers and feel hurt and upset by the program this season.

This is usually a great place to come and chat with some friends and to commiserate over a show that we feel isn't responding to it's core audience's concerns.

We don't correct people's spelling, and call each other names (at least not all of the time). We don't tell anyone else on the boards how they should think or react. We express our opinions and thoughts. As far as Jackie's behavior, I as a fan,I felt and still feel that I should speak up.

Most companies appreciate hearing from their customers. And yes, I am Bravo's "customer". So here is my letter of dissatisfaction. I'm waiting for a response.

Because this is where all of their friends reside.

Are you taking your marbles and going home?

Oh yeah!!! Before anyone can say I'm pretending to be a lesbian, let me reiterate: I love penis.

damn...we lost another one!

You're not the first person to think that!