And, its just hard NOT to write something like " verbally assault you?" Its too easy.

how do you know most people that watch the show aren't aware of the controversy? do you think companies pull thier support from getting ten emails? How do you know the number of outraged is small?

Why again does this go back to jackie being a lesbian. That has nothing to do with the price of tea in china.

I really can't beleive no one mentioned WWII and the Nazis yet...I wonder how many more red herrings and ad hominems can we get in here?

How in the world is Peeler a compulsive liar? Do you know even know what that means? Jeez, the man was in pain, he signed divorce papers earlier that day and was looking for something to hold onto and he desperately and sadly reached out to Jackie for some reason. That doesn't make him liar.

Ali

So you're saying that your hateful responses about Jackie, your questioning her qualifications (I've read your rants. Wasn't that you who made some b1tchie remark about sugar? Go read about why there are so many fat asses in the US! It's sugar! Better yet, High fructose corn syrup), your dismissal of anyone's disagreement and your refusal to address any sort of valid fact that is offered to you is justified on the same level as Martin Luther King Jr. fighting for civil rights? To those who are fighting persecution? To those who have suffered extreme discrimination? To those who have died to defend their rights? Is that you?

Let me get this straight, you believe that your life will begin to end if you are silenced on the Jackie Warner issue? You think Bravo is holding you down? You feel discriminated against? Violated? Victimized? Really? You do? Are you also mentally ill? Illiterate? A racist? Or just a complete idiot?

Don't attack me. Define your cause! Explain to me how you can compare the persecution of an entire race to some bullsh*t television show that you don't need to watch? I want to hear your explanation because to me, it's just an excuse for you to express your bitter angry feelings toward anyone who is different from you or who is more successful than you.

If you want to live by Rev. Martin Luther King Jr's words, then get off your ass and go speak about something that matters! Because, I'll tell you what, I'm here because I'm not going to let some angry zealots disrupt what has taken years to create. You asked how I know not everyone who watches is aware of your little cause. BECAUSE OF THE VIEWING NUMBERS! Your petition = 600 something, Your group of hate on this board, combined with others = not even 100. No CNN, NO FOX, NO NOTHING! People still tuning in, over 500K! YOU WORK OUT THE NUMBERS!

I'll wait for your clear explanation of why you are here attacking Work Out, Jackie Warner and anyone who disagrees with you but more importantly, I want to hear how it compares to the civil right's movement and to any human right's violations around the world. Is Jackie Warner the new Pol Pot? Please tell me how your rights and the ADULT CONSENTING cast of Work Out's rights have been violated. Maybe you can throw in some more MLK quotes to help your cause.



I've got an idea. Go rent The Killing Fields and then get back to me on how the ADULT FREE WILLED CAST of Work Out fits well into your claim of speaking out for the persecuted. This is great. A great man dedicates his life to leadership, education and breaking down barriers and you take his quote about RESPONSIBILITY and apply it to your petty hate. Perfect. MLK died so you could rationalize your hate for a woman you don't know. Brilliant.

Thanks!

Jesus, what is it with you and the Peeler bashing? Talking about his eduction level and intelligence? Brian Peeler fits the profile of the average violent offender in prison. Do you realize how idiotic that sounds? Making such an extreme psychological analysis of someone you've never met?

Get a grip and find another target and outlet for your frustration. I thought your other posts were ridiculous, but this one takes the cake.

Ali

JC look at the time stamps of our posts.....

I do however find PEELER very committed and passionate for his craft and clients...

As for the show, I have no idea after tonight why I have watched it for so long!

Soap operas have far less Drama and plot twist then this.

I am not sure how much longer I will watch and how much longer I will post on this board.

I will however be on Top Chef boards! I can at least believe that is reality programming.

Over the Last 5 episodes of Workout I have to ask myself Why they thought this was good enough to air this year. I am mentally drained and the life-force has been sucked out of me...
They have sucked it right out of me. Can someone please remind me of why I have watch this and what this is all about????

East coast time my main Sqeeze...

I do however find PEELER very committed and passionate for his craft and clients...

As for the show, I have no idea after tonight why I have watched it for so long!

Soap operas have far less Drama and plot twist then this.

I am not sure how much longer I will watch and how much longer I will post on this board.

I will however be on Top Chef boards! I can at least believe that is reality programming.

Over the Last 5 episodes of Workout I have to ask myself Why they thought this was good enough to air this year. I am mentally drained and the life-force has been sucked out of me...
They have sucked it right out of me. Can someone please remind me of why I have watch this and what this is all about????

You have got to be kidding. Jackie Warner's only comparison to Martin

Luther King Jr is that both were born human beings. To equate our

outrage at the disrespectful rude behavior towards her employees

to the absolute for real racism fought by Martin Luther King Jr is in

many ways worse than anything Jackie Warner has done. You have

done it. You have shown me how there are indeed other people more

rude and disrespectful than Jackie Warner. I am sorry to say it. I read

your equating Jackie Warner to Martin Luther King Jr. I hope you will

someday notice how wrong that is.

Kari Ana

Jackie was great in last night's episode. She looked like a million bucks at Doug's charity auction and handled herself beautifully.

Brian Peeler, true to form, couldn't handle having a woman lead the auction and had to control and dominate as much as he could. Luckily the crowd realized what this guy was about real quick and ignored him. He got the message and retreated back into the crowd. Later he confronted Jackie about getting his job back. Mind you he was completely drunk and desperate so he was saying how much he loved Jackie etc. Luckily she said no when he asked for his job back.

I think this episode was a turning point in the season. All the negativity was flushed out. Next week we get to see Jackie's mom again and Brianna's family which brings up back to the humanity that this show had in season one and two.

I probably sound like a total pig with all of my "yeah he's cute comments" but what can I say..... I do like my eye-candy.

But if I spent half as much time nibbling some of those sweet treats, instead of just peering in the candy store window....... I wouldn't be here to post!

JC look at the time stamps of our posts.....

Jackie was great in last night's episode. She looked like a million bucks at Doug's charity auction and handled herself beautifully.

Brian Peeler, true to form, couldn't handle having a woman lead the auction and had to control and dominate as much as he could. Luckily the crowd realized what this guy was about real quick and ignored him. He got the message and retreated back into the crowd. Later he confronted Jackie about getting his job back. Mind you he was completely drunk and desperate so he was saying how much he loved Jackie etc. Luckily she said no when he asked for his job back.

I think this episode was a turning point in the season. All the negativity was flushed out. Next week we get to see Jackie's mom again and Brianna's family which brings us back to the humanity that this show had in season one and two.

Liam- you asked me why I'm here or what view was? I saw the question but can't find it now.

Because it has taken many years to get to a point in US society where gays and lesbians can just 'be' on television. They don't need to 'play' a certain role or fulfill a certain stereotype. They can simply exist on television as humans who are flawed, complicated and normal.

I have watched this turn into a tear down Jackie Warner based on several different arguments. First the boobs then the inappropriate behavior, then her treatment of employees and blah blah blah! She may very well have done ALL of those things but every single person who was involved was a free-willed consenting adult! It's a television show. It's meant to be entertaining.

At first, I thought, okay people think it's about cancer. I accept that. But it wasn't about that. Then people pretended that Jackie was 'victimizing' people. No she's not. They're all adults. No one is being held against their will and again, no one has to watch the show.

I don't believe all of these people on the boards are gays and lesbians. I've spent way too many years dealing with the Freaked out paranoid religious right! I know how they work! I even studied it in college. It was referred to as their "stealth" tactics. Get in and then take it down! That is their motto.

Removing a show because you don't "like" the person on the show is censorship. I refuse to believe that gays and lesbians want to roll back the clocks to a time when any show depicting a homosexual would be called for a boycott by zealots! If you succeed in having this show canceled, you have played right into the hands of the very people who want you to go to hell! That's a fact!

I also think any "campaign" that perpetuates negativity and hate is counter productive to society in general. Every day, all I see is more b1tching and ranting against Jackie or Work OUt. It's such a waste of time and like I said, don't watch the show- move on.

Tonight, the show was great! I really enjoyed it.

Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. And I totally respect your point of view. I may not agree totally but then we don't have to, do we?

No, of course you don't have to agree with me. Just be very aware. Not everyone has sincere motives. In fact, some on this board are very much pushing an agenda that works completely against your life. They'll deny deny deny. That's what they do. How else would it work?

Liam- you asked me why I'm here or what view was? I saw the question but can't find it now.

Because it has taken many years to get to a point in US society where gays and lesbians can just 'be' on television. They don't need to 'play' a certain role or fulfill a certain stereotype. They can simply exist on television as humans who are flawed, complicated and normal.

I have watched this turn into a tear down Jackie Warner based on several different arguments. First the boobs then the inappropriate behavior, then her treatment of employees and blah blah blah! She may very well have done ALL of those things but every single person who was involved was a free-willed consenting adult! It's a television show. It's meant to be entertaining.

At first, I thought, OK people think it's about cancer. I accept that. But it wasn't about that. Then people pretended that Jackie was 'victimizing' people. No she's not. They're all adults. No one is being held against their will and again, no one has to watch the show.

I don't believe all of these people on the boards are gays and lesbians. I've spent way too many years dealing with the Freaked out paranoid religious right! I know how they work! I even studied it in college. It was referred to as their "stealth" tactics. Get in and then take it down! That is their motto.

Removing a show because you don't "like" the person on the show is censorship. I refuse to believe that gays and lesbians want to roll back the clocks to a time when any show depicting a homosexual would be called for a boycott by zealots! If you succeed in having this show canceled, you have played right into the hands of the very people who want you to go to hell! That's a fact!

I also think any "campaign" that perpetuates negativity and hate is counter productive to society in general. Every day, all I see is more b1tching and ranting against Jackie or Work OUt. It's such a waste of time and like I said, don't watch the show- move on.

Tonight, the show was great! I really enjoyed it.

I as a Gay man was offended by her portrayal of gay people in those two episodes! She is playing right into the fundamental Christian bigots that do exist. If you look at past interviews, out magazine, Advocate and Vanity fair she and the interviewee both put her in the Position of a strong Gay Role Model.
My Role Model is my attorney! She is a woman who put herself through law school at the age of fifty. She past the Bar exam the first time at the age of 55. I worked with her and bought part of her Law Firm after we Started working with indigent people with AIDS at DAP (Desert Aids Program) writing wills, powers of attorney and health care directives to protect their partners and to protect them from anti-gay relatives. We did this at no charge and helped hundreds of sick and dying people with no money.
Keep in mind we are a community(GLBT) but we all have different Morals, standards and opinions. That is what makes up all people Gay, Straight or indiferent...

I couldn't agree with you more...... on most of your post. However I as a viewer, I disagree with your assessment as to why Brian got up there, I thought he got up because he needed to be in the spotlight. I felt he had a huge need to feel accepted and liked, not because it was a woman leading the auction. I know it's a subtle difference but one comes from a place of hurt and one comes from a place of hate. I don't think he hates women.

Wait one second as the "Star" of the show I object to Dale being thrown into the cast!
He has been my least favorite, if you want to see someone go to blows "I will throw the first punch and grind him down to the Ground...
You want bad boy???


.

I agree that he wanted the spotlight just like when he came here to ask for our support in having a reunion. He also said he didn't believe the items were getting the prices he believed possible. Obviously he thought the woman auctioneer wasn't up for the job so he "had to" intervene. It goes back to his "traditional" gender belief system. He believes a woman's place is to be subservient to men and to never stray from feminine constructs.

Dacia, I am glad you seen what the extreme reaction was really about.

Bring on andrew... Dale whines to much and always tries to blame...

Liam- you asked me why I'm here or what view was? I saw the question but can't find it now.

Because it has taken many years to get to a point in US society where gays and lesbians can just 'be' on television. They don't need to 'play' a certain role or fulfill a certain stereotype. They can simply exist on television as humans who are flawed, complicated and normal.

I have watched this turn into a tear down Jackie Warner based on several different arguments. First the boobs then the inappropriate behavior, then her treatment of employees and blah blah blah! She may very well have done ALL of those things but every single person who was involved was a free-willed consenting adult! It's a television show. It's meant to be entertaining.

At first, I thought, okay people think it's about cancer. I accept that. But it wasn't about that. Then people pretended that Jackie was 'victimizing' people. No she's not. They're all adults. No one is being held against their will and again, no one has to watch the show.

I don't believe all of these people on the boards are gays and lesbians. I've spent way too many years dealing with the Freaked out paranoid religious right! I know how they work! I even studied it in college. It was referred to as their "stealth" tactics. Get in and then take it down! That is their motto.

Removing a show because you don't "like" the person on the show is censorship. I refuse to believe that gays and lesbians want to roll back the clocks to a time when any show depicting a homosexual would be called for a boycott by zealots! If you succeed in having this show canceled, you have played right into the hands of the very people who want you to go to hell! That's a fact!

I also think any "campaign" that perpetuates negativity and hate is counter productive to society in general. Every day, all I see is more b1tching and ranting against Jackie or Work OUt. It's such a waste of time and like I said, don't watch the show- move on.

Tonight, the show was great! I really enjoyed it.

P.S

Why cant everyone just accept the fact that we dont like the way Jackie acts, is rude to her employees, or her clients. It has nothing to do with how she grew up, our political beliefs, wether we are on the right-left- or center...She has just morphed into a totally diff person than in the first season where she was humble. I used to like her and I dont now...That has nothing to do with anything but her attitude.

...Also Peeler tried to get on stage and get more money, it wasnt for the spotlight. He is a man who is hurt, he is going through so much. Have some compassion people. Everyone handles pain differently. He tried to sit down wiht Jackie and be so sweet, I felt so bad for him and she was so rude. She always picked a fight with him, was rude to him , was rude to his client and was waiting to fire him. Anytime he would speak, she would look at him as if he were stupid. TOnight when he got on stage to try to donate some personal training time, she was sitting there smirking with a "aha" look on her face. THat is extremely rude and disrespectfull. She has no heart. I never come on these things to write but I am so shocked by the behavior of an supposed adult. To smile in someone elses misery is truly disgusting!!
Im not going to watch the show anymore until Peeler is brought back on or he gets his own show or she apoligizes ot him or something.

How many of us have dealt with bosses and managers like Jackie?! Power hungry and rude! Its not right, and she shouldnt be able to get away with it. We are the consumers and we have a voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S

Why cant everyone just accept the fact that we dont like the way Jackie acts, is rude to her employees, or her clients. It has nothing to do with how she grew up, our political beliefs, wether we are on the right-left- or center...She has just morphed into a totally diff person than in the first season where she was humble. I used to like her and I dont now...That has nothing to do with anything but her attitude.

...Also Peeler tried to get on stage and get more money, it wasnt for the spotlight. He is a man who is hurt, he is going through so much. Have some compassion people. Everyone handles pain differently. He tried to sit down wiht Jackie and be so sweet, I felt so bad for him and she was so rude. She always picked a fight with him, was rude to him , was rude to his client and was waiting to fire him. Anytime he would speak, she would look at him as if he were stupid. TOnight when he got on stage to try to donate some personal training time, she was sitting there smirking with a "aha" look on her face. THat is extremely rude and disrespectfull. She has no heart. I never come on these things to write but I am so shocked by the behavior of an supposed adult. To smile in someone elses misery is truly disgusting!!
Im not going to watch the show anymore until Peeler is brought back on or he gets his own show or she apoligizes ot him or something.

How many of us have dealt with bosses and managers like Jackie?! Power hungry and rude! Its not right, and she shouldnt be able to get away with it. We are the consumers and we have a voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW Jackie updated her blog.

Updated it with B.S.

Now that was funny, thanks I needed a laugh. For some reason I heard Eric Cartman's voice in my head when I read your post.

Did you watch the show tonight?

Look I know it wasn't the right thing to get drunk at Doug's fundraiser. I wish I wouldn't but I did and I can't go back. I have never felt the hurt that I have felt that night in my entire life. I was dying inside and I couldn't stop the pain. Greg Piltt had told me that Jackie had talked to him earlier that day and said she wanted to hire me back and say she was sorry. So when I pulled her outside I thought she was going to say she was sorry for the things she had said about Jamie and I. But no she didn't this was the only reason I was saying I love you because I thought she had grown as a woman and decided she was going to say she was sorry. Boy was I wrong and once I knew she was going to try to flip the script I was going all in. I laid all my cards out on the line. I told her exactly what everyone has been wanting to say to her for a long time. She treats people like they are her toys and she only uses them when is for her own good. Look I am not perfect nor will I ever be and I am sorry I made a fool out of myself. You guys have to understand I just lost my Wife and I am at a fundraiser for Doug and then I felt all alone from the group because they really didn't know what went on with Jackie and I and they kinda thought I was an out cast and taking things to far. I have grown stronger and learned from my mistakes. I know now that drinking does not cure the pain in your heart it only makes it hurt worst. I wish I was sober that night so I could have really said everything I wanted to say. I got out a lot at the end but I had so much more to say. Maybe some day you will understand how and why I did what I did and know I am a good person. I am ashamed of what I did on stage but all I ever meant to do was help my buddies cause and help raise more money. All I wound up doing was making myself look like a fool. Well I just want you guys to know it has been a fun ride on this journey and I wouldn't change a thing. I hope you guys still support me and I will miss my tues night s coming on at 10. Till my new show I hope you guy take care GOD BLESS and GOODNIGHT!

Look I know it wasn't the right thing to get drunk at Doug's fundraiser. I wish I wouldn't but I did and I can't go back. I have never felt the hurt that I have felt that night in my entire life. I was dying inside and I couldn't stop the pain. Greg Piltt had told me that Jackie had talked to him earlier that day and said she wanted to hire me back and say she was sorry. So when I pulled her outside I thought she was going to say she was sorry for the things she had said about Jamie and I. But no she didn't this was the only reason I was saying I love you because I thought she had grown as a woman and decided she was going to say she was sorry. Boy was I wrong and once I knew she was going to try to flip the script I was going all in. I laid all my cards out on the line. I told her exactly what everyone has been wanting to say to her for a long time. She treats people like they are her toys and she only uses them when is for her own good. Look I am not perfect nor will I ever be and I am sorry I made a fool out of myself. You guys have to understand I just lost my Wife and I am at a fundraiser for Doug and then I felt all alone from the group because they really didn't know what went on with Jackie and I and they kinda thought I was an out cast and taking things to far. I have grown stronger and learned from my mistakes. I know now that drinking does not cure the pain in your heart it only makes it hurt worst. I wish I was sober that night so I could have really said everything I wanted to say. I got out a lot at the end but I had so much more to say. Maybe some day you will understand how and why I did what I did and know I am a good person. I am ashamed of what I did on stage but all I ever meant to do was help my buddies cause and help raise more money. All I wound up doing was making myself look like a fool. Well I just want you guys to know it has been a fun ride on this journey and I wouldn't change a thing. I hope you guys still support me and I will miss my tues night s coming on at 10. Till my new show I hope you guy take care GOD BLESS and GOODNIGHT!

OK, as long as were having a nice discussion & not calling names or anything...

You somehow think your yelling & ranting like that are helping how??

Look I know it wasn't the right thing to get drunk at Doug's fundraiser. I wish I wouldn't but I did and I can't go back. I have never felt the hurt that I have felt that night in my entire life. I was dying inside and I couldn't stop the pain. Greg Piltt had told me that Jackie had talked to him earlier that day and said she wanted to hire me back and say she was sorry. So when I pulled her outside I thought she was going to say she was sorry for the things she had said about Jamie and I. But no she didn't this was the only reason I was saying I love you because I thought she had grown as a woman and decided she was going to say she was sorry. Boy was I wrong and once I knew she was going to try to flip the script I was going all in. I laid all my cards out on the line. I told her exactly what everyone has been wanting to say to her for a long time. She treats people like they are her toys and she only uses them when is for her own good. Look I am not perfect nor will I ever be and I am sorry I made a fool out of myself. You guys have to understand I just lost my Wife and I am at a fundraiser for Doug and then I felt all alone from the group because they really didn't know what went on with Jackie and I and they kinda thought I was an out cast and taking things to far. I have grown stronger and learned from my mistakes. I know now that drinking does not cure the pain in your heart it only makes it hurt worst. I wish I was sober that night so I could have really said everything I wanted to say. I got out a lot at the end but I had so much more to say. Maybe some day you will understand how and why I did what I did and know I am a good person. I am ashamed of what I did on stage but all I ever meant to do was help my buddies cause and help raise more money. All I wound up doing was making myself look like a fool. Well I just want you guys to know it has been a fun ride on this journey and I wouldn't change a thing. I hope you guys still support me and I will miss my tues night s coming on at 10. Till my new show I hope you guy take care GOD BLESS and GOODNIGHT!