I cant stand his eyebrows. they look like two catepillars crawled on his face and died!!!!!!

I have a feeling Peeler acts in that way MOST times. That is, when he does not get what he wants, he pouts and if that does not work..watch out. As exhibited last night. The "I love you" did not work (boy, that was a desperate maneuver) so he reverted the bullying tactic. I do think he does not like women. I think he is threatened by a powerful woman, especially one that he cannot flirt and get a postive reaction. I think he got up there because, he wanted the spotlight. He is extremely immature and has not found a mature way to handle his frustrations.
Jackie's mother will never really accept her because her faith will not allow. Another subject altogether.

Peeler acted like an immature ahole. Let's not excuse this MANS (he is not a boy) behavior. He was very assinine, and to act that way at Dougs function was ridiculous. I don't think he deserves apologists, but I guess he is lucky that he has a few. Boy, is is such a freak.

Because some of us WE's think he is an immature jerk. Just because "WE dont like the way he acts" doesn't mean others don't see another point of view. The WE's don't rule. Speak for yourself. You are sitting at a keyboard, by yourself. There is no WE. It is I. I . "I don't like".

We are Borg... resistance is futile.

Terribly sorry for the grammar mistake. Guess I need to be more articulate to post here.

Don't worry about it Larceny.
Some people feel the need to not only to correct ones grammar, spelling and punctuation but also ones religious and ideological philosophies as well.

Oh, Liam, 1 of 680, is it any wonder that we love you so? It is futile for us to resist you. You are our hero and we celebrate that you enrich our Collective!

As members of the collective you are surprised that Liam, 1 of 680, and JC, 2 of 680 posted about the same thing at the same time? Silly Borg!

Yeah a whole lot of nothing....

You can have all the feelings and thoughts you want about Peeler. After all, that is what this forum is for. But, at the end of the day, you don't know him. At least he owns up to his behavior, unlike others. And if what he said about what Greg Plitt told him is true, then at least part of his conversation with Jackie is cast in an entirely new light.

Ali

I tivod and watched the Peeler parts (have to admit the pool scene caught my eye even in fast forward so I watched ).

Walk a mile folks. He got fired from a high profile job, marrige ended (that day), going to an event solo joining a group of former coworkers who are probally talking about events you missed and you feel out of the loop. Throw in hard alcohol. I can honestly say I am guilty of having a few and acting regrettably, wishing I could build a time machine and redo it all. He apologized for his actions and seemed humble about the experience. No one is here to cannonize the guy and say it walks on water, he is human and admits so freely. That is why he has so much support.

A marrige ending no matter how long is a terrible thing to go through, I think he was madly in love with his wife, and never remember him talking about other women in the show during the past seasons. I have no idea what went down with his realationship nor do I wish to guess.

He reached out to Jackie, and she did seem to try and steer the conversation to his personal struggle. Being sober she was smart not to start to talk business with the guy when he was drunk. It may have been nice for her to say, call me when you are sober and we can talk.

I thought it was such a sad sight to see him walk away into the darkness alone. It was a little heartbreaking.

YOU Will Be Assimilated WE ARE THE BORG.
WELCOME TO THE CENTRAL HIVE MIND.

WE ARE THE BORG
LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS
WE WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN
YOUR CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SERVE AS US
Yeah, that sounds like me and most my online message board "buddies" right?

I too felt really bad for Peeler last night, the Gods know if I had cameras following me around for most of the day, you would see some things that would curl your hair (or whatever). And if some of my drunken adventures were caught on film (I repeat, I still don't know what happened to my sister's wedding video ), I would probably be mortified. I tried to give Peeler some support when he popped in last night. But in the end, I ultimately have to hold him to the same standard that I hold all reality show participants. "Live by the sword......"
But he seems like a guy who has been through some rough times and I truly hope he takes the high road. I hope he is able to see this as a life lesson, and that he takes what he needs from it to help him. So that when he is in a much greater position, with much more to lose, he will know how to handle that responsibility.

More insults. All you know. Tired and reading fatigue perhaps threw

me into skimming especially your posts and that other guy who takes

a page to insult everyone. To imply I was somehow mind altered is

just plain rude. I assume you never make mistakes but let's go to

what you are saying you said now. How is it your business what kind

of quote or tagline someone else uses? Many times Quotes are

metaphors. Relevant for all occasions. For people fighting against

BULLYing Martin Luther King Jr would be relevant. For someone trashing

people because you support Bullying using anything Martin Luther King

Jr is wrong. This is what happens when you are on the wrong side and

you are on the wrong side. From your posts you clearly despise Brian

Peeler and will support any mean petty thing someone decides to do to

him and somehow you see your position as being more righteous than

ours. You see the thing you seem to keep missing. Every single one of

us liked the show Work Out. We liked Jackie Warner, some of us loved

her. We cheered when Mimi walked out of the therapists office and we

believed out of Jackie's life for good. We hoped the relationship with

Rebecca was real because they were so cute together. I saw them

on the red carpet together on I think it was E Entertainment channel

and they were so cute together. Then season three came on. What

a shock. Jackie's behavior had become more arrogant that I had ever

seen her and by the way some of my former viewers feel they were

clearly as upset about Jackie Warner's behavior as I have been. To

have someone you care about become so cruel and arrogant was just

to much. This is not about choosing Brian Peeler over Jackie. Yes, we

have supported Brian Peeler because what happened was not right.

The thing is, none of us believe he is perfect and none of us are doing

this just for him. The difference I see between Jackie and Brian is that

Brian and struggling to overcome his issues while Jackie is enjoying

herself and it appears she cannot accept responsibility for her own

actions. It is a bit bizaare to see you and your friends trashing Brian

Peeler nonstop as if somehow this is going to make us forgive Jackie

for being so rude to Erica, Renessa, Rebecca, Brian, and in some ways

Doug because Jackie has remarked that Brian Peeler needs to just get

over Doug's passing. I lost a friend on mine in 1973. I still hold him in

my heart and sometimes when a certain song comes on it makes me cry

a litte. This is healthy grieving. None of that, It has been a month so

now it is over, no more tears and anyone else who cries will be trashed

mentality that Jackie seems to have. I maybe made a mistake by

seeing Martin Luther King Jr.'s name while skimming you post and made

the wrong assumption. You have clearly not read all of our posts and

claim anti gay and pro Brian Peeler. Your assumption is much worse than

mine. You are not even close to the reasons we are angry and want

Jackie off the show, if not the entire show canceled.

Kari Ana

I haven't watched the show because Jackie hasn't properly apologized

about any of this. I don't care if she appeared to be fair last night. She

was not fair two episodes ago. I can see why she believes this will

blow over. People see her being kind in one episode and now all the

anger from her previous bad behavior is forgiven. She hasn't apologized

nor taken responsibility for her actions.

Kari Ana

You need to go back to the season three thread and read some of the

first posts after the third episode before they closed the thread. You

will see how each and every one of us were floored that most people

agreed with us. We didn't come together with a mob mentality. We

all came to the board with hope that what we had to say wasn't going

to get us being shouted at and called names because we were all upset

by Jackie's behavior. One by one all of us suddenly came to the

realization that we all had the same feelings. We all came to the place

where we were feeling let down by Jackie, shocked that someone we

liked a lot had changed so much. It was a bit amazing even with the

feelings of sadness, shock and outrage. It might open your eyes to

what has been really going on here. With reality television the rules

have changed a bit with television. The only thing we could do feeling

so shocked and saddened and feeling helpless was to talk to each

other and it has helped all of us grow in ways that for me has been

surprising. Had this just been an anti-gay thing we'd be done by now.

The entire course this has taken would have taken a much different

direction. I am very sorry you can't see this. Maybe you need to go

read the season three thread to see what I mean.

Kari Ana

I support your stance, and commend your will power. I had to watch. My personality is way too curious for my own good sometimes. But I was dying to see if the issues that brought most of us here were addressed. They weren't. But I did see a shift in tone toward the positive and if that is all that comes from this, I am willing to "relinquish some ground". I too feel that an apology is owed (to numerous parties). I just realize that I can't force someone else to do what they refuse to do.
And at the risk of being told (by some on the boards) that I'm not worthy of this honor, here is a quote that I like:
Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. -Buddha

Just because you despise Peeler and will trash him over and over

doesn't make us like you. We have discussed Jackie's bad behavior.

You are simply trashing Peeler. How is it you cannot see the difference?

Kari Ana

Any anger I am feeling right now is from the things the Pro Jackie

People keep tagging us with. I have resolve to not watch the show

until Jackie has done the right thing. That isn't anger, that is resolve.

I understand the curious thing.

You know I wasn't going to mention this but with the way these people

keep tagging us I will. Several of these user names are ALWAYS on

the opposite side of any argument I have been on in these forums. It

may be a coincidence. I just find it odd that these people just seem to

be 180 from me on every single Bravo Work Out issue.

Kari Ana

I did not and will not watch the episode. Just as I expected, it seems that Bravo is now portraying Jackie Warner in a more positive light. This may be the only response the viewers get. I choose not to watch.

peglam, or "dragon slayer"? You must think pretty highly of yourself to use that gloss. Laughable.

You want to call people out for wasting time posting their opinions about a show they liked. Yet you post over 75 times in a 12 hour period defending someone you don't know and trashing someone you don't know either. You're the definition of sad. Please exit the planet as you have no function in society. You are a message board troll. The lowest form of life on this planet.

Jackie should hire you to do her PR. Let's see if you can do another 75 posts in the next 12 hours. Loser.

Here is the thing, last nights episode not only showed Jackie in a more positive light, it cast Peeler in a less than positive one (and this was not just editing). Jackie did the right thing in how she dealt with Peeler at Doug's memorial. Peeler made some drunken mistakes. It was a truly cringe worthy moment. And I really felt for the guy.
So although the scales are not quite balanced. It wasn't all due to Jackie getting "a new improved edit".
Do I think Jackie Warner is a great boss, role model, TV character, or whatever?
No.
But then I never did. But her behavior is now being shown a little closer to how she has been portrayed in the past. Her portrayal seems to be true to who she really is, not necessarily likable but not the raging, egomaniacal "evil twin" either.
Hopefully this will be a lesson for a lot of people who produce, broadcast and participate in reality TV shows that the fans will not stand to see such flagrant behavior from anyone, for the sake of ratings.
I'm still holding out hope that amends are made...... Last night was exhausting. Poor Peeler, it ripped my heart out to see anyone go through what he put himself through and then to have it broadcast (ouch). Hopefully all parties involved can come to a resolution.

Thanks Kari Ann and Kia! My using that quote had nothing to do with Work Out. I'd had it on my myspace for a long time before I came on here. And I have no intention of taking it down

I seriously laughed out loud when I read her tirades against me. People and their ASSumptions.

If Peeler was drunk...he probably did act a fool...I just hope he didn't stoop to the level of behavior previously demonstrated by Ms. Warner. In reading the posts from last night (yikes!) I noted that Peeler apologized for his actions. If only Bravo and Ms. Warner could buy a clue.

This is all pretty true. Reality shows will maybe think twice next time. I

hate to say this but I doubt they will. The love drama because drama is

where the ratings come from or so they believe.

As far as Peeler look back last night. I know none of us ever said we

thought Peeler was this 100 percent okay guy who is always perfect as

some of the Pro Jackie people seem to think we believe. I have been

giving this whole thing a lot of thought as we all have. The reason we

feel sorrow and compassion for Peeler and Jackie makes us feel stunned

and shocked is the kind of personal behavior we are speaking about.

Peeler makes big mistakes. He has that alpha male ego. He can lose

his temper with the best of them. The thing is then he feels remorse.

Then he appears to be mortified by his own behavior and he fesses up

to what he has done. One the other hand Jackie walks around with a

kind of arrogance which is also recognizable of the alpha male. Both

Peeler and Jackie have said so about each other and themselves.

JACKIE HAS NO REMORSE. She doesn't believe she has done anyone any
harm nor does she appear to believe she had done anything wrong. In

Lisa's blog she said Jackie also made remarks. Brian Peeler says that

Jackie made remarks against Peelers client as well. Clearly Brian Peeler

was told Jackie made these remarks by the clients boyfriend. Jackie

claims she made no negative remarks about Peelers client. She refuse

to admit she did that. If we go with Jackie's story and we believe that

she was inside her office with her office manager Lisa and Lisa made a

catty remarks about Peeler's client's breast augmentation and Jackie

did nothing to stop her or reprimand her she may as well have made the

remarks herself. She allowed disrespect towards a client. All by itself

this was wrong. Wipe that out, what about how Jackie was always

baiting Brian Peeler. The first three episode Jackie began every single

Peeler voice over explaining how much she hated him. Is this

professional? The point I seem to be floundering to make is this. Jackie

clearly was doing everything she could to have a valid reason to fire

Brian Peeler. She found her reason and she fired him. SHE HAS NO

REMORSE FOR THIS. I am coming to believe that it is the lack of

remorse that makes the difference between why we understand Brian

Peeler and why we are upset with Jackie. Got to go but I think this

is the thing that is keeping us going.

Kari Ana

All I can say is that I as viewer saw it this way.....
If you liked jackie Warner during the first two seasons of Work Out, you may think that maybe, possibly there is something to the "negative editing" excuse that has described the first five episodes this season.
If you never liked Jackie, then this episode will not change your mind. She has not (at least not yet onscreen) been "magically transformed" into a paradigm of goodness.
I just think it would be hypocritical to hold her to a higher standard than Peeler, or anyone else on reality TV.
But I, as a viewer hope this has taught both she and Peeler how to be much more careful in their performances (onscreen & off) from this episode forward.

I despise double standards. There is a clear difference that makes

a double standard claim difficult to prove. Peeler feels remorse.

Jackie does not. She will not even tell the truth about what she had

done. Remorse is an important part of being human. Most people who

have no remorse are usually labeled Narcissist disorder despite if I

spelled it right or not, some people with no remorse for their negative

behavior get labeled psychopath. Having no remorse is a bad trait.

Kari Ana

I just reread my posts.....
I must be drinking too much Kool-Aid and eating too many cookies....

I'm agreeing with everybody!

One foot in the Hater camp and one in the Peeler camp. I'm a poster without a home.........

It's okay. Have a few more cookies and some more koolaid.

Kari Ana

Please forgive my quoting your entire post. I think this was well put and an astonishing walk of logic. Excellent summation.

Gypsy in FL

Oh Liam...you know I love you more than my Coach bag! You are not homeless.

Greg Plitt needs to go with Brian. Both are delusional, disrespectful, self-absorbed, and trouble makers.

Jackie didn't even want to be near you let alone offer you a job. You used Doug's charity auction and whatever Greg Plitt said to justify confronting Jackie again. It was all you, nobody else.



He has so much support because he is a straight male (and Jackie is a lesbian). People will rationalize the actions of straight males no matter what they are until they are blue in the face. On Big Brother 8, as [expletive deleted] made more derogatory comments and became more abusive his popularity soared. The viewers justified their "support" (prejudices) by saying he was the best player. In reality it was because he was a straight male and was "putting people in their places." 24 of the 27 players viewers' voted to kick off were either female or gay men. Those prejudices apply in this situation as well.

peglam, your posts are great.

Yes this is one big conspiracy, we have watched this show for three years just waiting for Jackie to do something so we can get her for it.
That's exactly why we tuned in every week, no because we enjoyed the show, but to get Jackie.

Edited for sanity's sake...

True? Let me ask you a question. If Jackie had been male and the breast comments had been aired, would you be sticking up for her?

Jackie and Lisa made these comments about another human being. When confronted about it, Jackie said "I don't want to talk about it." Bravo edited the pieces out of the broadcast and Jackie did a voiceover. Peeler, being Peeler, was going to ask Jackie what happened and ask her to apologize to his client, which he had the right to do. Since she didn't want to hear it, she fired him.

If she was a male, would she still be in the wrong? Yes. This is where the trouble lies for everyone. I don't care that she's gay, she was caught and wiggled her way out of it. If she had been male, it would have been the boys club at work.

What you consider condescending from Peeler is the product of a southern male upbringing. If you ever knew one (I know several) what can be considered condescending (calling someone sweetie, opening a door for them, etc) is actually their way of showing chivalry to a female. Their mamas wouldn't have it any other way.

The charity event night was wrong on his part, but he had been kicked really hard that day. Then seeing all those pictures of Doug, well, it hurt him even more, then seeing the woman who had just fired him...are you getting the picture yet? The man is human, he was stupid and he has apologized. Why hasn't Jackie?

If you want to consider this "The Anti-Gay Agenda" out there, well, you're wrong. This was someone caught on camera doing something nasty that we are never going to see because of editing. That is my problem with the show.

"delusional" -- That's the pot calling the kettle black, my dear.

Frankly, having read your frequent posts here, I'm left only with the sad conclusion that you are the equivalent of the homophobic straight people I loathe, ranking just below pedophiles and men who beat their spouses.

While I don't agree with what some have written here about Work Out, but would still be warmed by some indication from Ms Warner that she is imperfect in many ways, your comments bring me to the verge of having distain for Jackie, herself, as a result of the nature and characterizations of your harsh diatribes in her defense. Please, get over yourself. I, for one, have given up listening to you.

Can we please, please, please stop making this about anyone's gender, sexual identity, ethnicity, educational background etc.
It really does nothing to encourage an open honest dialogue.
If I honestly felt someone was attacking Jackie because she was a lesbian, I would be the first to come to her defense!
This is NOT about a straight white male vs. a lesbian female. This is about behavior and the consequences of our actions.

The same way that I am not claiming that the only reason you hate Peeler is because he is a SWM, please don't assume that another poster is only liking Peeler for that reason.
I was upset because of how the episode was presented, I was shocked by the actions portrayed and I have every right to discuss my opinions. As does everyone else here.
But to say that we (as human beings) don't have the right to an opinion unless we are part of that particular demographic is irresponsible. It would be like me saying I can't have an opinion about Darfur because "I am not black" or because "I don't live in Africa". That would be a ridiculous statement!
I know first hand that there is antigay bigotry in the world. But I also know that the people who hate me because I am gay, have just as much right to their beliefs as I do to mine.
Of course their rights end where mine begin, so they cannot and should not be allowed to deny me of those rights.

If I insisted on living my life believing that everyone who is different than me, has a specific perspective on the world, I would have missed the opportunity to share experiences with some truly amazing people.
I sincerely hope we can discuss someone's behavior (as portrayed on the show), and not bring their other personal attributes into the conversation.

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Episode 3 and 4 still upsets me and have not forgotten. There will never be an apology to all of those involved or an admittance of fault. To make a sponsor look bad is unacceptable and bad business. To make fun of a client's body is unacceptable and bad business. Episode 4 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnoDI2QsvmA

To all on these boards, I thank You


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This has nothing to do with any of this. But can someone tell mw what happened to Zen from last season?

I feel very sorry for you. All you see is prejudicial hate from everyone, no matter what is said to the opposite. That's a very sad and limited view of life.

Every post I've read has repeatedly tried to explain that it has nothing to do with sexual preference, it has everything to do with taking the high ground and apologizing for doing something very inappropriate. Jackie's behavior has been condescending, demeaning and disrespectful towards others. If she had just apologized for her part in the Jamie incident, all of this would not have grown to the extent it has.

Naming other "bad" shows has absolutely nothing to do with this. We aren't watching those shows, we don't have anything to say about those shows. We are talking about Work Out and the Jackie/Jamie incidence and Peeler's subsequent firing over it. Jackie chose the Jamie incident to fire Peeler over. If she had fired him over something else, that would of been a totally different issue. But the fact is, Jackie made her decision and it was ill-timed; it just inflamed what she had done to Jamie even more.

What can't you get? How is that being prejudiced over Jackie's sexual orientation? It's not even in the realm of the discussion other than your repeatedly throwing it out there. It IS all about treating another human being with respect and not ridicule.

At least Peeler has apologized for his actions. Jackie hasn't even done that. It doesn't mean I like Peeler any more or less, it just means he's owned up to what he's done and I can respect that.

I've been thinking about why Work Out, Season 3 fired me up. As mentioned several times, I was looking forward to seeing a work-a-day lesbian on television. It's important to see ten-percenters living their lives with no substantive differences ... washing machines break, work spills over into leisure, raccoons dump over garbage cans and the grass keeps growing.

I was not hoping for a role model. I've been fortunate and never had to look beyond my own family to fill that position. I do see value in having role models for very specific reasons. In football, you would be hard-pressed to find a better sportsman that Walter Payton ... score a touchdown then hand the ball to a ref "as if you'd been there before". In tennis, Pete Sampras. On television, when live was live, Carol Burnett. You get my drift. If life has left you with few familial role models, for all the reasons that might happen, look to the classics ... Ghandi, MLK,Jr., Eleanor Roosevelt, Maya Angelou.

I have never believed that any press is good press or any exposure is good exposure. Bravo either cast or created a bad example and removing that example will hardly set back the movement. I can find no common ground with Jackie Warner, who seems to be getting a pass because the network had a niche to fill. My fire was kindled.

I have watched last night's episode more than once. There is a lot I am unhappy with from last night's episode and still unhappy with previous episodes.

I wished that one of the trainers who knew that Peeler was getting drunk (it was not hard to miss) would have gotten him out of there to prevent what happened. Gregg knew and so did some others know about his marriage and the amount of alcohol he was consuming. Jackie knew something was going on in his personal life, that is why she said she went outside to talk to him. I am sure she knew he was drunk.

I was not happy that Peeler went onto the stage, he was wrong and as I said maybe his friends needed to protect him. I know and understand he lost his job, signed separation papers from his wife that day, and was at a benefit for a foundation in memory of his best friend. As I said maybe one of his friends needed to step in and step up. Peeler had been standing with Rebecca until Jackie called her up on the stage, that is when someone needed to step up to the plate.

I was unhappy with Jackie, she stood on the stage and rolled her eyes when Peeler was up on the stage. She was wrong in doing that.

Basically I do not think this part of the episode was too terribly minipulated or scripted because this was a benefit that was put on and run by someone I think that was not deeply associated with Bravo and deeply associated with Work Out. Bravo had no way really to know how Peeler was going to act that night. That is why I think the trainers could have stepped in and kept him from going up on the stage and later asking for his Sky Lab job back.

I do not approve of any of Peeler's actions at the benefit.

This was a very hard episode for me to watch, I kept thinking, one more twist and turn and I will feel like I am in an airplane during a rain storm and the plane keeps dropping a thousand feet.

I probably have not expressed myself like I should have but for some reason the words just will not come. When I look at the big picture, I still support Peeler.

(Psst, 1 of 860, we forgot to add:)
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE DIRTY BOYS THAT NEED TO BE WASHED
AHEM, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! WE WILL PROVIDE COOKIES!

HI everyone, this is another lurker that finally got around to registering. I must say I couldn't agree more with Swiss74 in the assessment of last nights show.

One other thing I noticed was how uncomfortable Rebecca looked while Brian was hanging on her.

Thanks to all of you for the interesting conversations I have read. Some have been difficult to read because of the obvious bias to one side or the other, but I have enjoyed being an observer and hope to contribute in the future.

Oh let's see... It's hateful to question someones qualifications? Oh my what a horrible hateful country we live in. Thank GOD I didn't say anything to the cashier that made a mistake on my bill last night. Or go to another surgeon for a second opinion on my surgery. MY GOD...that would have been horrible. I would not want to be branded by her as an anti-cashy. Someone said 'most' trainers only have those quals that jackie has. I simply posted the quals of the trainers here in my little hick town. They ALL had B.S. or B.A. in some type of human kinetics, sports physiology or something similar.

Yeah I sure did ask why she is so concerned about "sugar" and if you read further I asked what "type" of sugar she us concerned with. Sugar is not the devil. TOO MUCH sugar isn't good for you. As is TOO MUCH of anything. I would argue there are so many obese people in the US because of portion sizes and lack of movement. If you eat ten pounds of sugar a year, it won't matter if you do enough exercise to burn it off.

See, there is this funny little formula..... if you eat more calories that you burn....you'll gain weight. If you burn more than you eat, you'll lose weight. I know that sounds silly, but try it...it works.

Have no idea where you are getting my refulsal to present a valid argument. You are surely dreaming. You are throwing red herrings in the mix. Do you know what they are?




Can you quote me as to where I said my life had anything to do with jackie? See...I'm in between experiments (neuroscience) and I'm sort of bored so thought I would check out the message board. The other stuff in this section is just nonsense from you. My Lord...PLEASE calm down...you are going to blow a gasket.


Where did I attack you? judging by what you think is hateful (questioning someones credentials) I'm sure you think I've been downright nasty to you. I dont' have a cause and I'm not sure where you got the idea that I did have a cause. Because you want me to have a cause? Does that make it easier for you to spew the crap you spew? Just wondering. I"m a lesbian and I'm a registered republican. You figure out my cause.

Why do you assume I'm bitter? and why do you assume jackie is more successful than me? How do you measure success? Why do you assume I don't like those that are different than me. Damn...someone tell my Latino girlfriend that I hate her! Free her from the bondage I keep her in.




sorry it's not my cause, nor my petition. Hmm...maybe we should write to Bill O'reilly though...now that's an idea.






Please quote me and show me where I claim to speak for the persecuted? How about you read about the bataan death march, I dunno maybe about Unit 731. I know it's hard for you to beleive but the US isn't the only place that is guilty of mistreatment of people.

She was looking for anything (and everything, it seems) to attack, your quote was just convenient. Good for you for not taking it down!

She fancies that she was "slaying dragons", Oh, please! And she says we are the ones who need a reality check!

well see now you are just being plain rediculous! Stick to to issue of trying to kick jackie off tv, because of personal motives and beliefs that homos are a mutation of society! She has no place being on tv, let alone being able to have a business. Lesbians are NOT allowed to do such things. Puuulllleeezzz! It's BECAUSE she's s LESBIAN...NO other reason!!

I totally agree with what you said about someone probably should have helped Peeler (I know I wish I could have reached through my TV and steered him in a different direction). But I also don't expect everybody to be a saint (either in real life or) on TV.
I think (and this is just my viewer's perspective) that the other trainers were afraid that if they intervened, Peeler would have made a big scene. No one knew what was going to happen until after it happened, so in hindsight, yes I'm sure everyone would have reacted differently.
I also think the show owes it to the viewers to just run the tape. I'm glad the scene seemed to play out exactly as it actually happened (kinda what I want from reality TV).
I don't need the unpleasantness edited out for me (which is why I was pissed about the footage in Jackie's office). Just show me what happened, and let the cards fall where they may. If someone ends up looking poorly, then it is their job (as a reality TV participant) to stand up and take accountability (like Peeler has).
And yes, I do expect some editing (I am not going to watch 200 hours of filming, hoping to see what I want to see). But on that same note, I appreciate it when that edit includes at least some moral responsibility and/or a positive message. And most importantly is entertaining.
What I definitely do not want to see is a show that is filled with ruthless people backbiting and spreading negativity (if I wanted that I'd have stayed in corporate America)! I walked away from the first few episode with a serious stomach ache, I was that upset.
I'm just happy that someone involved with the show seems to have listened to our point of view.

Last nights show-I wish the other trainers would have looked out for peeler a bit more. Everyone needs to take self responsibility (he did come on here an apologize and admit his mistakes, so credit for that) but sometimes we all need a helping hand. If greg p knew he had a rough day....he should have been looking out.

jackie acted fine at the benefit. How much did sky sport spa donate to the cause? did they say in the show?

They didn't say a monetary figure that Sky Sport donated. Jackie was seen donating Rebecca & JD's training services to be auctioned off ("I know what my gays want" Jackie explained during the auction) I agree, Jackie- I say (in my best evil villain voiceover) "Well played Ms. Warner, well played....".
But I'm sure most of the costs hit the producers budget.

This post has been edited because when I came to read what I had written, I couldn't understand what the flip I was saying!