I love Vanilla, as long as it is creamy... Melts in your hands and in your mouth...



Dale was replaced with Andrew so we could have Vanilla Love!

They should really see a Doctor and get some shots...

I have some friends that are Doctors could fix them right up....

Did Liam just blow us off????

I don't know. Maybe something is going on. Boo.

Well I have to run... lets continue this tomorrow? That boy Liam has some owes us big time....

Well DrB, I guess you'll be busy when Gimme Sugar premieres on Logo in June. More lesbians running a business, being slutty and not living up to your standard.

Last time I checked, no one was criticizing Brian Peeler for discussing that he would take 3 or 4 different girls to bed each week before Kate. Why is that? The last time I checked, everyone on the show was a consenting free-willed adult. The trainers on the show were "cast" on the show. You do know it's a show? Right?

DrB, You sound like someone on the right who is overly familiar with every single law giving gays and lesbians equal rights. You aren't familiar with them because you're gay; you're familiar with them because you want to stop them. I don't believe you're a lesbian for the simple reason that you are completely intolerant of someone who chooses to lead her adult life with other consenting adults differently than you. You also think that it's okay for another poster to suggest that I'm some lesbian who just thinks Jackie is hot? WTF? I've never even defended Jackie Warner in terms of her looks, personality or character. I simply pointed out that the same standards are not being applied to everyone. Brian Peeler is a 10th grade drop out, divorced after only 3 months, known to frequent strip clubs, known womanizer, known to have anger control issues, but that's all okay?

Lorizh- You attacked KisaB whose posts I have read and which were quite hostile toward Jackie. Now she questions the authority of the hate movement and you turn on her? I've noticed you mostly ignore her posts anyway. She was completely within her right to point out the obvious regarding Doug's benefit. Jackie Warner was not in charge of Doug's Night to Remember. She was a guest. She had one role that evening during the auction. That's it. Her involvement in the organization itself and the event was minimal. The crowd was appalled by Brian Peeler. There's no way a group of adults, in a party atmosphere would suddenly stand together in total silence based on some secret pact they had with Jackie. No one knew that Brian was going act like a total ass but when he did, not one of Doug's close friends came to his defense. Not one. Instead, the 150 or so people just stood there staring at him with disdain.

As for Jamie Eason, she clearly doesn't give a sh1t! We've now gone way past the air date and she hasn't said anything in Brian's defense nor has Rich. Brian is now working at BodyImage which is hilarious because that's the gym featured on the former reality series The Gym. The owner is very tough and the staff is large. So he's claiming to have his own show coming out. Well good for him but I find it interesting that he immediately ran to a gym that already had one. It was canceled. Brian told me right here that he has a large construction company. No he doesn't. He attempted, at one point, to work in construction but failed. The best part is that he called it a large construction company. Really? Then why are you working at BodyImage and how is it that some very established construction companies have gone under because of the economy but you magically formed a large one with zero capital? He can spew whatever bs he wants but don't excuse his lies and contradictions while pointing your judgmental finger at Jackie Warner.

I'll stick with Jesse's statement. If Jackie was sooooooooo wrong, then why did Brian beg for his job back?

Lorizh-I'll just assume that you didn't read any of the articles posted by Nama? Because that's Brian in his own words and his own words contradict everything he has ever said. He's a natural born liar with anger control issues. Your post to Brian states that everyone makes mistakes and it will be okay. Really? Is Jackie allowed to make mistakes? Why does she owe you an apology? How do you know she hasn't been in contact with Jamie Eason? Jamie's only public response was that she couldn't comment. We know Jamie didn't have breast implants because of the cancer. We know most people had no idea who she was before this incident. WE KNOW that NO ONE knew WHO Brian Peeler was before Work Out, so if you're such a big Jamie and Brian fan, then maybe you should thank Bravo and Jackie Warner for introducing them to the world.

Hey, if you dig angry high school drop outs who alienate themselves from every person they meet including their wives, then more power to you. That's your right. All I am doing is pointing out another side. It's a completely valid side unless you think that I'm less than human and do not deserve an opinion? This isn't about Jackie. This isn't about Jamie Eason's breasts, this isn't about the choices being made by consenting free-willed adults who also signed releases to Bravo. BTW: none of them have complained. No one has forced them to stay; no one has forced you to watch. You are just looking for a way to rationalize your hate, find a safe place to express it and hope you can make fake online friends in the process. "Demented and Sad but Social" The Breakfast Club, that pretty much sums up this whole thing. Anytime anyone disagrees with you, it is immediately dismissed.

I have never implied that everyone is lying about their sexuality but I know for a fact that some are and have in the past. It happens and for you to deny it exists is pure ignorance. I have also never claimed that it is wrong to discuss Jackie. I think I've been very clear about where you begin to contradict yourselves. The issue remains the same: the double standards, talking out of both sides of your mouths and the complete refusal to see it from another point of view.

Let me get this straight. You want everyone to respect your First Amendment Right and they should but you want to SILENCE anyone who disagrees with you and more importantly you want to completely obliterate and to completely take away the First Amendment Right of Jackie Warner or anyone who makes a catty remark about a client at the gym, runs her business her way, has consenting adult relationships and who you think treated Brian Peeler unfairly? It happens everyday. Watch The Gym! They do the same things but maybe it will be okay because they give it a little trashiness?? The producers and Bravo are 100% in control of this thing. Not Jackie. She controls Sky Sport & Spa but Bravo decides who is cast on the show. Do you really really really believe that if something really really awful happened, they would have just looked the other way? No. They would have handled it immediately. You wouldn't even know about it. Jackie had to be given the green light to fire Brian Peeler. Nothing in the Universe is all of a sudden. There's always a chain of events leading up to something. Whether it's a random car accident or sudden death, some chain of events occurred prior to the incident. Brian Peeler has a great deal of chaos in his life and yet, you're more than happy to excuse it away. He's not accountable for anything? We're allowed to be complete [expletive deleted] because we were in a bad place in our life? Sorry but it doesn't really work that way. Everyone is accountable no matter what has happened to them. I'm sure the drunk driver who killed my sister will tell you that he was in a "bad" place in his life when it happened. So what? Hey, he is an attractive guy, very charming. Maybe you would like him? He's also a murderer but hey, he was drunk; he was in a bad place. It's cool.

Bottomline: You have no idea what was said in the Sky Sport office. You really don't. The only people who heard anything were the camera person, Lisa and Rich. Out of those people, only Lisa spoke out but what did she say anyway? I don't recall it being specific. We still don't know what was said. It doesn't matter to us though. It only matters to Jamie Eason and Rich.

I respect your 1st Amendment Right. Now I hope you'll understand that it also covers Bravo, Work Out, Jackie Warner and me.

A few stupid words said in a gym about a woman who wasn't a Sky Sport Client. (She was just there that night.) is NOT a big deal. It's only a big deal because you want to make it a big deal. You refuse to ask yourself why. It's a show. It has nothing to do with your personal life and yet, you want to take away someone's right to pursue their life, their way. That's the beauty of our Constitution. It protects all of us not just those we like.



You don't get to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate. That's what laws are for. There's a reason we have a Judicial System. It is a well developed, amazing process unique to the world and it protects YOU from being told that your life is not okay by a random mob. If Jackie hasn't broken any laws, if no one is forcing you to watch the show, then what exactly are you trying to accomplish other than trying to force your values and morals on a person you don't know. You may have those values and that's great but if someone isn't violating your space, your property and is neither harming you nor breaking the law; your idea of what values should be allowed protection under the 1st Amendment is totally and completely irrelevant. Take it to the highest court in the land and they'll tell you "don't watch" but if you continue to bully until you get your way, what you're saying is that our Constitution and our rights as individuals is meaningless. We really don't have the freedom to express ourselves unless it fits within the mandated moral code decided by an invisible group of people? I happen to think that is very scary.

If Brian's a victim, then I'm a bigger victim. If Jamie's a victim, I can trump that too. It's irrelevant to the argument.

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Dacia & Truereality,
Did you notice that many of the previous posters went away when no one
responded to their cries for a response? Many of us have been at the same
point as well. But here is a little secret... every single time one or another of
us is about to "go find a bigger cause", "get a life" or simply "get over it" and
leave these boards. Someone claiming to have "intimate knowledge"
about Sky Sport & Spa comes on here and tries to browbeat us into submission.
They hurl insults, make ridiculous assumptions, call us liars and insist we
listen to their demands. All the why fervently espousing the attributes of the show.
And do you know what that does? It ignites many people's anger all over again.
The more you yell and shout (and if you read the tone and the language of your posts
that is how they are perceived), the more we tend to think, "wow, we are
getting recognition". Just being here on these boards and talking about the
show has some people pretty upset. You are the very reason that most
people including me, visit these boards daily. You insist that what we do here
has no meaning, and that nobody cares. Yet everyday you are here stirring
the pot and getting everybody fired up all over again. So good job!

If you would just realize that the more you try to shut us up, the louder we
get. Every single one of your posts has been an exercise in futility. Or more
pointedly has been extremely counter productive. Has anyone here ever told
you that you were right? Has anyone actually acquiesced to any of your demands?

You also tell us we have no right to speak for others but what gives you the
right to speak for Jackie? Are you here as her advocate? Is she aware you are
claiming moral superiority and creating or continuing strife in her name?

Dacia & Truereality & jack123,
Did you notice that many of the previous posters went away when no one
responded to their cries for a response? Many of us have been at the same
point as well. But here is a little secret... every single time one or another of
us is about to "go find a bigger cause", "get a life" or simply "get over it" and
leave these boards. Someone claiming to have "intimate knowledge"
about Sky Sport & Spa comes on here and tries to browbeat us into submission.
They hurl insults, make ridiculous assumptions, call us liars and insist we
listen to their demands. All while fervently espousing the attributes of the show.
And do you know what that does? It ignites many people's anger all over again.
The more you yell and shout (and if you read the tone and the language of your posts
that is how they are perceived), the more we tend to think, "wow, we are
getting recognition". Just being here on these boards and talking about the
show has some people pretty upset. You are the very reason that most
people including me, visit these boards daily. You insist that what we do here
has no meaning, and that nobody cares. Yet everyday you are here stirring
the pot and getting everybody fired up all over again. So good job!

If you would just realize that the more you try to shut us up, the louder we
get. Every single one of your posts has been an exercise in futility. Or more
pointedly has been extremely counter productive. Has anyone here ever told
you that you were right? Has anyone actually acquiesced to any of your demands?

You also tell us we have no right to speak for others but what gives you the
right to speak for Jackie? Are you here as her advocate? Is she aware you are
claiming moral superiority and creating or continuing strife in her name?

Well DrB, I guess you'll be busy when Gimme Sugar premieres on Logo in June. More lesbians running a business, being slutty and not living up to your standard.

Last time I checked, no one was criticizing Brian Peeler for discussing that he would take 3 or 4 different girls to bed each week before Kate. Why is that? The last time I checked, everyone on the show was a consenting free-willed adult. The trainers on the show were "cast" on the show. You do know it's a show? Right?

DrB, You sound like someone on the right who is overly familiar with every single law giving gays and lesbians equal rights. You aren't familiar with them because you're gay; you're familiar with them because you want to stop them. I don't believe you're a lesbian for the simple reason that you are completely intolerant of someone who chooses to lead her adult life with other consenting adults differently than you. You also think that it's okay for another poster to suggest that I'm some lesbian who just thinks Jackie is hot? WTF? I've never even defended Jackie Warner in terms of her looks, personality or character. I simply pointed out that the same standards are not being applied to everyone. Brian Peeler is a 10th grade drop out, divorced after only 3 months, known to frequent strip clubs, known womanizer, known to have anger control issues, but that's all okay?

Lorizh- You attacked KisaB whose posts I have read and which were quite hostile toward Jackie. Now she questions the authority of the hate movement and you turn on her? I’ve noticed you mostly ignore her posts anyway. She was completely within her right to point out the obvious regarding Doug’s benefit. Jackie Warner was not in charge of Doug's Night to Remember. She was a guest. She had one role that evening during the auction. That’s it. Her involvement in the organization itself and the event was minimal. The crowd was appalled by Brian Peeler. There's no way a group of adults, in a party atmosphere would suddenly stand together in total silence based on some secret pact they had with Jackie. No one knew that Brian was going act like a total ass but when he did, not one of Doug's close friends came to his defense. Not one. Instead, the 150 or so people just stood there staring at him with disdain.

As for Jamie Eason, she clearly doesn't give a sh1t! We've now gone way past the air date and she hasn't said anything in Brian's defense nor has Rich. Brian is now working at BodyImage which is hilarious because that's the gym featured on the former reality series The Gym. The owner is very tough and the staff is large. So he's claiming to have his own show coming out. Well good for him but I find it interesting that he immediately ran to a gym that already had one. It was canceled. Brian told me right here that he has a large construction company. No he doesn’t. He attempted, at one point, to work in construction but failed. The best part is that he called it a large construction company. Really? Then why are you working at BodyImage and how is it that some very established construction companies have gone under because of the economy but you magically formed a large one with zero capital? He can spew whatever bs he wants but don’t excuse his lies and contradictions while pointing your judgmental finger at Jackie Warner.

I'll stick with Jesse's statement. If Jackie was sooooooooo wrong, then why did Brian beg for his job back?

Lorizh-I'll just assume that you didn't read any of the articles posted by Nama? Because that's Brian in his own words and his own words contradict everything he has ever said. He's a natural born liar with anger control issues. Your post to Brian states that everyone makes mistakes and it will be okay. Really? Is Jackie allowed to make mistakes? Why does she owe you an apology? How do you know she hasn't been in contact with Jamie Eason? Jamie's only public response was that she couldn't comment. We know Jamie didn't have breast implants because of the cancer. We know most people had no idea who she was before this incident. WE KNOW that NO ONE knew WHO Brian Peeler was before Work Out, so if you're such a big Jamie and Brian fan, then maybe you should thank Bravo and Jackie Warner for introducing them to the world.

Hey, if you dig angry high school drop outs who alienate themselves from every person they meet including their wives, then more power to you. That's your right. All I am doing is pointing out another side. It's a completely valid side unless you think that I'm less than human and do not deserve an opinion? This isn't about Jackie. This isn't about Jamie Eason's breasts, this isn't about the choices being made by consenting free-willed adults who also signed releases to Bravo. BTW: none of them have complained. No one has forced them to stay; no one has forced you to watch. You are just looking for a way to rationalize your hate, find a safe place to express it and hope you can make fake online friends in the process. "Demented and Sad but Social" The Breakfast Club, that pretty much sums up this whole thing. Anytime anyone disagrees with you, it is immediately dismissed.

I have never implied that everyone is lying about their sexuality but I know for a fact that some are and have in the past. It happens and for you to deny it exists is pure ignorance. I have also never claimed that it is wrong to discuss Jackie. I think I've been very clear about where you begin to contradict yourselves. The issue remains the same: the double standards, talking out of both sides of your mouths and the complete refusal to see it from another point of view.

Let me get this straight. You want everyone to respect your First Amendment Right and they should but you want to SILENCE anyone who disagrees with you and more importantly you want to completely obliterate and to completely take away the First Amendment Right of Jackie Warner or anyone who makes a catty remark about a client at the gym, runs her business her way, has consenting adult relationships and who you think treated Brian Peeler unfairly? It happens everyday. Watch The Gym! They do the same things but maybe it will be okay because they give it a little trashiness?? The producers and Bravo are 100% in control of this thing. Not Jackie. She controls Sky Sport & Spa but Bravo decides who is cast on the show. Do you really really really believe that if something really really awful happened, they would have just looked the other way? No. They would have handled it immediately. You wouldn't even know about it. Jackie had to be given the green light to fire Brian Peeler. Nothing in the Universe is all of a sudden. There's always a chain of events leading up to something. Whether it's a random car accident or sudden death, some chain of events occurred prior to the incident. Brian Peeler has a great deal of chaos in his life and yet, you're more than happy to excuse it away. He's not accountable for anything? We're allowed to be complete [expletive deleted] because we were in a bad place in our life? Sorry but it doesn't really work that way. Everyone is accountable no matter what has happened to them. I'm sure the drunk driver who killed my sister will tell you that he was in a "bad" place in his life when it happened. So what? Hey, he is an attractive guy, very charming. Maybe you would like him? He’s also a murderer but hey, he was drunk; he was in a bad place. It’s cool.

Bottomline: You have no idea what was said in the Sky Sport office. You really don't. The only people who heard anything were the camera person, Lisa and Rich. Out of those people, only Lisa spoke out but what did she say anyway? I don't recall it being specific. We still don't know what was said. It doesn't matter to us though. It only matters to Jamie Eason and Rich.

I respect your 1st Amendment Right. Now I hope you'll understand that it also covers Bravo, Work Out, Jackie Warner and me.

A few stupid words said in a gym about a woman who wasn't a Sky Sport Client. (She was just there that night.) is NOT a big deal. It's only a big deal because you want to make it a big deal. You refuse to ask yourself why. It's a show. It has nothing to do with your personal life and yet, you want to take away someone's right to pursue their life, their way. That's the beauty of our Constitution. It protects all of us not just those we like.



You don't get to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate. That's what laws are for. There's a reason we have a Judicial System. It is a well developed, amazing process unique to the world and it protects YOU from being told that your life is not okay by a random mob. If Jackie hasn't broken any laws, if no one is forcing you to watch the show, then what exactly are you trying to accomplish other than trying to force your values and morals on a person you don't know. You may have those values and that's great but if someone isn't violating your space, your property and is neither harming you nor breaking the law; your idea of what values should be allowed protection under the 1st Amendment is totally and completely irrelevant. Take it to the highest court in the land and they'll tell you "don't watch" but if you continue to bully until you get your way, what you're saying is that our Constitution and our rights as individuals is meaningless. We really don't have the freedom to express ourselves unless it fits within the mandated moral code decided by an invisible group of people? I happen to think that is very scary.

If Brian's a victim, then I'm a bigger victim. If Jamie's a victim, I can trump that too. It's irrelevant to the argument.

Adam was not fired from his job. He works at a PR firm. United Autism Foundation, a client of his, decided not to use his services anymore. As of yet he hasn't donated a thing

Big Brother 9 houseguest Adam Jasinski has apparently been fired from his job for comments he made in the house about autistic children. One advertiser has pulled its ads and another group asked for Adam's termination and the cancellation of the show following his casual use of the term "retards" to refer to the kids he works with.

The United Autism Foundation explains his firing in a statement on its web site, which also offers an apology "for any and all inappropiate [sic], unprofessional and unacceptable comments made by Adam Jasinski"

Clara
We need to convert you and give you Antonia... She is also Great...

I wish someone would have piced Dirt New Zealand boy(name escapes me)! That episode with him and spike in the bath was so Funny...

His name was Mark.

Morning!

It got ugly here again last night.

Well DrB, I guess you'll be busy when Gimme Sugar premieres on Logo in June. More lesbians running a business, being slutty and not living up to your standard.

Last time I checked, no one was criticizing Brian Peeler for discussing that he would take 3 or 4 different girls to bed each week before Kate. Why is that? The last time I checked, everyone on the show was a consenting free-willed adult. The trainers on the show were "cast" on the show. You do know it's a show? Right?

DrB, You sound like someone on the right who is overly familiar with every single law giving gays and lesbians equal rights. You aren't familiar with them because you're gay; you're familiar with them because you want to stop them. I don't believe you're a lesbian for the simple reason that you are completely intolerant of someone who chooses to lead her adult life with other consenting adults differently than you. You also think that it's okay for another poster to suggest that I'm some lesbian who just thinks Jackie is hot? WTF? I've never even defended Jackie Warner in terms of her looks, personality or character. I simply pointed out that the same standards are not being applied to everyone. Brian Peeler is a 10th grade drop out, divorced after only 3 months, known to frequent strip clubs, known womanizer, known to have anger control issues, but that's all okay?

Lorizh- You attacked KisaB whose posts I have read and which were quite hostile toward Jackie. Now she questions the authority of the hate movement and you turn on her? I've noticed you mostly ignore her posts anyway. She was completely within her right to point out the obvious regarding Doug's benefit. Jackie Warner was not in charge of Doug's Night to Remember. She was a guest. She had one role that evening during the auction. That's it. Her involvement in the organization itself and the event was minimal. The crowd was appalled by Brian Peeler. There's no way a group of adults, in a party atmosphere would suddenly stand together in total silence based on some secret pact they had with Jackie. No one knew that Brian was going act like a total ass but when he did, not one of Doug's close friends came to his defense. Not one. Instead, the 150 or so people just stood there staring at him with disdain.

As for Jamie Eason, she clearly doesn't give a sh1t! We've now gone way past the air date and she hasn't said anything in Brian's defense nor has Rich. Brian is now working at BodyImage which is hilarious because that's the gym featured on the former reality series The Gym. The owner is very tough and the staff is large. So he's claiming to have his own show coming out. Well good for him but I find it interesting that he immediately ran to a gym that already had one. It was canceled. Brian told me right here that he has a large construction company. No he doesn't. He attempted, at one point, to work in construction but failed. The best part is that he called it a large construction company. Really? Then why are you working at BodyImage and how is it that some very established construction companies have gone under because of the economy but you magically formed a large one with zero capital? He can spew whatever bs he wants but don't excuse his lies and contradictions while pointing your judgmental finger at Jackie Warner.

I'll stick with Jesse's statement. If Jackie was sooooooooo wrong, then why did Brian beg for his job back?

Lorizh-I'll just assume that you didn't read any of the articles posted by Nama? Because that's Brian in his own words and his own words contradict everything he has ever said. He's a natural born liar with anger control issues. Your post to Brian states that everyone makes mistakes and it will be okay. Really? Is Jackie allowed to make mistakes? Why does she owe you an apology? How do you know she hasn't been in contact with Jamie Eason? Jamie's only public response was that she couldn't comment. We know Jamie didn't have breast implants because of the cancer. We know most people had no idea who she was before this incident. WE KNOW that NO ONE knew WHO Brian Peeler was before Work Out, so if you're such a big Jamie and Brian fan, then maybe you should thank Bravo and Jackie Warner for introducing them to the world.

Hey, if you dig angry high school drop outs who alienate themselves from every person they meet including their wives, then more power to you. That's your right. All I am doing is pointing out another side. It's a completely valid side unless you think that I'm less than human and do not deserve an opinion? This isn't about Jackie. This isn't about Jamie Eason's breasts, this isn't about the choices being made by consenting free-willed adults who also signed releases to Bravo. BTW: none of them have complained. No one has forced them to stay; no one has forced you to watch. You are just looking for a way to rationalize your hate, find a safe place to express it and hope you can make fake online friends in the process. "Demented and Sad but Social" The Breakfast Club, that pretty much sums up this whole thing. Anytime anyone disagrees with you, it is immediately dismissed.

I have never implied that everyone is lying about their sexuality but I know for a fact that some are and have in the past. It happens and for you to deny it exists is pure ignorance. I have also never claimed that it is wrong to discuss Jackie. I think I've been very clear about where you begin to contradict yourselves. The issue remains the same: the double standards, talking out of both sides of your mouths and the complete refusal to see it from another point of view.

Let me get this straight. You want everyone to respect your First Amendment Right and they should but you want to SILENCE anyone who disagrees with you and more importantly you want to completely obliterate and to completely take away the First Amendment Right of Jackie Warner or anyone who makes a catty remark about a client at the gym, runs her business her way, has consenting adult relationships and who you think treated Brian Peeler unfairly? It happens everyday. Watch The Gym! They do the same things but maybe it will be okay because they give it a little trashiness?? The producers and Bravo are 100% in control of this thing. Not Jackie. She controls Sky Sport & Spa but Bravo decides who is cast on the show. Do you really really really believe that if something really really awful happened, they would have just looked the other way? No. They would have handled it immediately. You wouldn't even know about it. Jackie had to be given the green light to fire Brian Peeler. Nothing in the Universe is all of a sudden. There's always a chain of events leading up to something. Whether it's a random car accident or sudden death, some chain of events occurred prior to the incident. Brian Peeler has a great deal of chaos in his life and yet, you're more than happy to excuse it away. He's not accountable for anything? We're allowed to be complete [expletive deleted] because we were in a bad place in our life? Sorry but it doesn't really work that way. Everyone is accountable no matter what has happened to them. I'm sure the drunk driver who killed my sister will tell you that he was in a "bad" place in his life when it happened. So what? Hey, he is an attractive guy, very charming. Maybe you would like him? He's also a murderer but hey, he was drunk; he was in a bad place. It's cool.

Bottomline: You have no idea what was said in the Sky Sport office. You really don't. The only people who heard anything were the camera person, Lisa and Rich. Out of those people, only Lisa spoke out but what did she say anyway? I don't recall it being specific. We still don't know what was said. It doesn't matter to us though. It only matters to Jamie Eason and Rich.

I respect your 1st Amendment Right. Now I hope you'll understand that it also covers Bravo, Work Out, Jackie Warner and me.

A few stupid words said in a gym about a woman who wasn't a Sky Sport Client. (She was just there that night.) is NOT a big deal. It's only a big deal because you want to make it a big deal. You refuse to ask yourself why. It's a show. It has nothing to do with your personal life and yet, you want to take away someone's right to pursue their life, their way. That's the beauty of our Constitution. It protects all of us not just those we like.



You don't get to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate. That's what laws are for. There's a reason we have a Judicial System. It is a well developed, amazing process unique to the world and it protects YOU from being told that your life is not okay by a random mob. If Jackie hasn't broken any laws, if no one is forcing you to watch the show, then what exactly are you trying to accomplish other than trying to force your values and morals on a person you don't know. You may have those values and that's great but if someone isn't violating your space, your property and is neither harming you nor breaking the law; your idea of what values should be allowed protection under the 1st Amendment is totally and completely irrelevant. Take it to the highest court in the land and they'll tell you "don't watch" but if you continue to bully until you get your way, what you're saying is that our Constitution and our rights as individuals is meaningless. We really don't have the freedom to express ourselves unless it fits within the mandated moral code decided by an invisible group of people? I happen to think that is very scary.

If Brian's a victim, then I'm a bigger victim. If Jamie's a victim, I can trump that too. It's irrelevant to the argument.

It got ugly here again last night.

Well DrB, I guess you'll be busy when Gimme Sugar premieres on Logo in June. More lesbians running a business, being slutty and not living up to your standard.

Last time I checked, no one was criticizing Brian Peeler for discussing that he would take 3 or 4 different girls to bed each week before Kate. Why is that? The last time I checked, everyone on the show was a consenting free-willed adult. The trainers on the show were "cast" on the show. You do know it's a show? Right?

DrB, You sound like someone on the right who is overly familiar with every single law giving gays and lesbians equal rights. You aren't familiar with them because you're gay; you're familiar with them because you want to stop them. I don't believe you're a lesbian for the simple reason that you are completely intolerant of someone who chooses to lead her adult life with other consenting adults differently than you. You also think that it's okay for another poster to suggest that I'm some lesbian who just thinks Jackie is hot? WTF? I've never even defended Jackie Warner in terms of her looks, personality or character. I simply pointed out that the same standards are not being applied to everyone. Brian Peeler is a 10th grade drop out, divorced after only 3 months, known to frequent strip clubs, known womanizer, known to have anger control issues, but that's all okay?

Lorizh- You attacked KisaB whose posts I have read and which were quite hostile toward Jackie. Now she questions the authority of the hate movement and you turn on her? I've noticed you mostly ignore her posts anyway. She was completely within her right to point out the obvious regarding Doug's benefit. Jackie Warner was not in charge of Doug's Night to Remember. She was a guest. She had one role that evening during the auction. That's it. Her involvement in the organization itself and the event was minimal. The crowd was appalled by Brian Peeler. There's no way a group of adults, in a party atmosphere would suddenly stand together in total silence based on some secret pact they had with Jackie. No one knew that Brian was going act like a total ass but when he did, not one of Doug's close friends came to his defense. Not one. Instead, the 150 or so people just stood there staring at him with disdain.

As for Jamie Eason, she clearly doesn't give a sh1t! We've now gone way past the air date and she hasn't said anything in Brian's defense nor has Rich. Brian is now working at BodyImage which is hilarious because that's the gym featured on the former reality series The Gym. The owner is very tough and the staff is large. So he's claiming to have his own show coming out. Well good for him but I find it interesting that he immediately ran to a gym that already had one. It was canceled. Brian told me right here that he has a large construction company. No he doesn't. He attempted, at one point, to work in construction but failed. The best part is that he called it a large construction company. Really? Then why are you working at BodyImage and how is it that some very established construction companies have gone under because of the economy but you magically formed a large one with zero capital? He can spew whatever bs he wants but don't excuse his lies and contradictions while pointing your judgmental finger at Jackie Warner.

I'll stick with Jesse's statement. If Jackie was sooooooooo wrong, then why did Brian beg for his job back?

Lorizh-I'll just assume that you didn't read any of the articles posted by Nama? Because that's Brian in his own words and his own words contradict everything he has ever said. He's a natural born liar with anger control issues. Your post to Brian states that everyone makes mistakes and it will be okay. Really? Is Jackie allowed to make mistakes? Why does she owe you an apology? How do you know she hasn't been in contact with Jamie Eason? Jamie's only public response was that she couldn't comment. We know Jamie didn't have breast implants because of the cancer. We know most people had no idea who she was before this incident. WE KNOW that NO ONE knew WHO Brian Peeler was before Work Out, so if you're such a big Jamie and Brian fan, then maybe you should thank Bravo and Jackie Warner for introducing them to the world.

Hey, if you dig angry high school drop outs who alienate themselves from every person they meet including their wives, then more power to you. That's your right. All I am doing is pointing out another side. It's a completely valid side unless you think that I'm less than human and do not deserve an opinion? This isn't about Jackie. This isn't about Jamie Eason's breasts, this isn't about the choices being made by consenting free-willed adults who also signed releases to Bravo. BTW: none of them have complained. No one has forced them to stay; no one has forced you to watch. You are just looking for a way to rationalize your hate, find a safe place to express it and hope you can make fake online friends in the process. "Demented and Sad but Social" The Breakfast Club, that pretty much sums up this whole thing. Anytime anyone disagrees with you, it is immediately dismissed.

I have never implied that everyone is lying about their sexuality but I know for a fact that some are and have in the past. It happens and for you to deny it exists is pure ignorance. I have also never claimed that it is wrong to discuss Jackie. I think I've been very clear about where you begin to contradict yourselves. The issue remains the same: the double standards, talking out of both sides of your mouths and the complete refusal to see it from another point of view.

Let me get this straight. You want everyone to respect your First Amendment Right and they should but you want to SILENCE anyone who disagrees with you and more importantly you want to completely obliterate and to completely take away the First Amendment Right of Jackie Warner or anyone who makes a catty remark about a client at the gym, runs her business her way, has consenting adult relationships and who you think treated Brian Peeler unfairly? It happens everyday. Watch The Gym! They do the same things but maybe it will be okay because they give it a little trashiness?? The producers and Bravo are 100% in control of this thing. Not Jackie. She controls Sky Sport & Spa but Bravo decides who is cast on the show. Do you really really really believe that if something really really awful happened, they would have just looked the other way? No. They would have handled it immediately. You wouldn't even know about it. Jackie had to be given the green light to fire Brian Peeler. Nothing in the Universe is all of a sudden. There's always a chain of events leading up to something. Whether it's a random car accident or sudden death, some chain of events occurred prior to the incident. Brian Peeler has a great deal of chaos in his life and yet, you're more than happy to excuse it away. He's not accountable for anything? We're allowed to be complete [expletive deleted] because we were in a bad place in our life? Sorry but it doesn't really work that way. Everyone is accountable no matter what has happened to them. I'm sure the drunk driver who killed my sister will tell you that he was in a "bad" place in his life when it happened. So what? Hey, he is an attractive guy, very charming. Maybe you would like him? He's also a murderer but hey, he was drunk; he was in a bad place. It's cool.

Bottomline: You have no idea what was said in the Sky Sport office. You really don't. The only people who heard anything were the camera person, Lisa and Rich. Out of those people, only Lisa spoke out but what did she say anyway? I don't recall it being specific. We still don't know what was said. It doesn't matter to us though. It only matters to Jamie Eason and Rich.

I respect your 1st Amendment Right. Now I hope you'll understand that it also covers Bravo, Work Out, Jackie Warner and me.

A few stupid words said in a gym about a woman who wasn't a Sky Sport Client. (She was just there that night.) is NOT a big deal. It's only a big deal because you want to make it a big deal. You refuse to ask yourself why. It's a show. It has nothing to do with your personal life and yet, you want to take away someone's right to pursue their life, their way. That's the beauty of our Constitution. It protects all of us not just those we like.



You don't get to decide what is appropriate or inappropriate. That's what laws are for. There's a reason we have a Judicial System. It is a well developed, amazing process unique to the world and it protects YOU from being told that your life is not okay by a random mob. If Jackie hasn't broken any laws, if no one is forcing you to watch the show, then what exactly are you trying to accomplish other than trying to force your values and morals on a person you don't know. You may have those values and that's great but if someone isn't violating your space, your property and is neither harming you nor breaking the law; your idea of what values should be allowed protection under the 1st Amendment is totally and completely irrelevant. Take it to the highest court in the land and they'll tell you "don't watch" but if you continue to bully until you get your way, what you're saying is that our Constitution and our rights as individuals is meaningless. We really don't have the freedom to express ourselves unless it fits within the mandated moral code decided by an invisible group of people? I happen to think that is very scary.

If Brian's a victim, then I'm a bigger victim. If Jamie's a victim, I can trump that too. It's irrelevant to the argument.

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I can't speak for TrueReality but I can speak for myself. Many of us believe that if you really are part of the community, you would be more concerned with petitions concerning our equal rights, our right to marriage, adoption and fight against discrimination. Unfortunately, there are anti-gay movements. They exist and are often difficult to detect. I have a very strong suspicion that Hesed from Topix is posting here. If you want to see this person's mindset, Google Hesed, homosexuality and topix. Better yet, google Hesed, Topix and Jackie Warner. The anti -gay movement has become very difficult to track. It used to be easy. They would put it right out there but now it's much more subversive and their work much more covert. Their boards are not public so it becomes more and more difficult. There are gay sites that do their best to track it and of course, anyone who is a card carrying member knows the danger of Worldnetdaily.com. Yes, the very news outlet that promotes hate and misinformation including Soy causes gayness!

Everyone is welcome to their opinion but I said this before, fighting to have sponsors removed and the show canceled is providing the ammunition needed for anyone looking to validate their hate of gays. I don't hate straight people! I have lots of straight friends!! (sarcasm) However, I don't see a great deal of outrage over Renessa's inappropriate behavior while on a paid assignment in addition to the fact that she is a single mother of a young girl. I have seen the arguments that Jackie is a poor role model for young women. So what kind of of role model does that make Renessa to her own child? Speaking of which, what kind of complete whacked out role model is Brian Peeler supposed to be? I think there are a high number of undesirable individuals on television but I don't fight to have them removed from television. I don't watch them.

Since I haven't seen this many lesbians on any other board gay or otherwise, I will stick with my original opinion and proof of experience that some are not being honest about their orientation or motive. They are here to make sure that a lesbian with an immoral lifestyle is removed from their television screens. In the beginning, there was an initial outcry against Jackie's comments on gay boards but it quickly subsided. There have always been a few long-term posters who have never liked her but they've been around since the beginning. The only people who are continuing to scream about Jackie on the gay boards are brand new posters who suddenly showed up and claim to be "outraged " lesbians. Really? Maybe you haven't heard, but we have some other issues that actually effect our lives. That's my response to all the newly registered lesbians on the gay boards. Apparently, only Jackie Warner was a big enough call to action for these "new" lesbians. I don't think so. Some are people like Hesed.

Dacia & Truereality & jack123,
Did you notice that many of the previous posters went away when no one responded to their cries for a response? They went away because they said enough. But here is a little secret... every single time one or another of us is about to "go find a bigger cause", "get a life" or simply "get over it" and leave these boards. Someone claiming to have "intimate knowledge" about Sky Sport & Spa comes on here and tries to browbeat us into submission. The commenters claiming to have intimate knowledge have all been against Jackie. All of them have been proven to be fake. There are far less posts for Jackie than against Jackie so you got it the other way around, the anti-Jackie commenters are trying to browbeat those who are not into submission.

So, here is your own example of how a male gets away with stuff and people sit idly by? There was a huge uproar with what Adam said. Adam still has reiterated that he's donating the money, but since he's been fired he's looking into what he should do with the money.

Why can't people who feel strongly about an issue create a petition and lobby sponsors? Isn't that just as much their right to do that as it is your right to disagree with that? I have been lurking for a few days and I have to say, your level of anger has me curious and quiet frankly, scared at times.

I have stated my sexual orientation and my gender but I feel like I have been relegated to "liar" because you, in your great insight into my life, have called me fake just for the sake of trying to make a point about Jackie. You have not given a dose of true reality in regards to me and the validity of my complaint. You have discriminated against me for being who I am, a very proud, loved lesbian who happens to think that Jackie is portraying herself in a very narcissistic way and in my opinion she is the epitome of sexual harassment in the work place because she is in a position of authority, regardless of the fact they are all adults. I am not a Peeler lover. I am not a Jackie hater. I am extremely disappointed in Jackie's representation of what a lesbian in a position of power and authority does with that power.

If you would like to know more of my thoughts, I'll be happy to share more. But please, don't express your "dose of true reality" as the only truth because your truth is your opinion and only your opinion.

P.S. I keep my gay card in my neck wallet. My fanny pack is full of other crap.

Viewers were supportive of Adam including United Austism's webmaster.

His name was Mark.

Thank you, just waking up and a little slow....

Hey JC...ya'll had a flurry of words last night. Sorry I went to bed when I did. Oh, by the way, Dacia says I'm not gay. Alex will be so disappointed when she finds out.

I was in Palm Springs the 1st of April for the Dinah. I actually go for the golf but did go see Suzanne Westenhoeffer. She is SOOOOOOO funny. Next year maybe I can stay with you and Liam.

Thats a great idea, I live near Mission Hills Country Cub and have a membership. I can take 3 guest to the club and golfing is half price. They also have a large Gay & Lesbian group that meets for dinner on Thursdays. You are more than welcome, lots of room...

Dacia...all I can say is f**k you! F**k you!

Don't tease me, JC. Alex works for AA and we could be there tonight. I think I shall love you forever. I played Mission Hills one time back in the 90's. My granddad used to live in Palm Springs and we would go visit him. I love going up the tram to the top of the mountain.

Don't tease me, JC. Alex works for AA and we could be there tonight. I think I shall love you forever. I played Mission Hills one time back in the 90's. My granddad used to live in Palm Springs and we would go visit him. I love going up the tram to the top of the mountain.

I am also a member of the Living Desert gardens and Zoo. Have you guys(girls gals ladies not intended to offened) ever been there? Its my favorite place out here....Funny thing is I don't golf, but love the view of the greens at dinner. I use to drive out on weekends from LA and one day I just stayed....

Alex and I went there one time and took my Grandad and his partner. We so enjoyed it but Bob (Granddad's "friend", as my homophobic family likes to call him), has had two kidney transplants and was starting to reject his second kidney so we didn't get to stay as long as we would have had it just been the two of us. It was after that trip that we realized we needed to move them in with us so we loaded up the truck and moved them here with us. Now I just go to PS once a year for the golf. Alex went this year and the partying was fun to watch but we are WAY too old for that scene. We did get to see some of the L Word stars. Kate Moennig(sp?), she is a hottie. Brianna, Jackie's ex was there in the fashion show. She is really a knockout. Oh but wait, I'm not gay so I wasn't really there. (Lorene Ocho won by the way...the golf that is.) One young girl at the hotel asked Alex where we were from and all and Alex said that her girlfriend comes every year but mainly for the golf and the girl looked at her and said, "There's a golf tournament here?" I laughed and laughed.

Liam, I am moving in with you and JC. (As long as you live in Palm Springs). Or better yet, ya'll could live half the year at your place and I could house sit for JC, then ya'll could live the other half in PS. Alex has a hugh cat that hates me. It is the size of a small fainting goat. I say it's Alex's because it is. When she is on a trip the cat terrorizes me. I'll be watching TV or just laying on the couch reading a book and he springs out of no where and lands on either my head or my chest. All this to say, since I'll be house sitting, would you mind telling Alex the cat can't come?

Liam, I am moving in with you and JC. (As long as you live in Palm Springs). Or better yet, ya'll could live half the year at your place and I could house sit for JC, then ya'll could live the other half in PS. Alex has a hugh cat that hates me. It is the size of a small fainting goat. I say it's Alex's because it is. When she is on a trip the cat terrorizes me. I'll be watching TV or just laying on the couch reading a book and he springs out of no where and lands on either my head or my chest. All this to say, since I'll be house sitting, would you mind telling Alex the cat can't come?

You are never too old to have a Good Time. I myself am a big tennis fan and we get the Pacific Life Open (Andy is a Hottie), I try to go every year to finalls...
What neck of the Woods are you from these days?

Have two Kitties myself (fill in cats) they will keep you company while you are here... They don't like people so you will never see them...

Texas... Alex loves tennis and I enjoy watching it. She played in college back in the dark ages. We have an agreement. She doesn't try to play golf and I don't try to play tennis. We are both VERY competitive and would get into knock down, drag out fights when we would attempt the others sport. So now, she drives the cart and gets the beer and I cheer wildly when she scores a birdie or whatever you call it in tennis and now we only fight about the really important things.

Let Alex know I met Billie Jean King in Arizona 2 months ago! She was staying at a Resort Arizona, she was with her partner and they were having dinner....They both had salad and I was noshing on a big ol burger....

Kisa, sorry to read that you honestly think there maybe some hidden anti-gay agenda going on here. I think that's drinking the Koolaid. Most of the people here who are outraged at Jackie's behavior are gay, it has nothing to do with her sexual preference that's [expletive deleted]. I loved watching Jackie and Workout, I'm not gay, but I loved her show and admired her...the first two seasons. This season she's gotten way out of hand with her ego and her unprofessionalism. Her personal life is her own and it hasn't nothing to do with why people dislike her, that's just conversation going on here. No one is here to carry on friendly conversations regarding workout, they are here because they are outraged at what happened with Jackie & Jamie Eason and her horrible remarks she made about Jamie's breasts especially since Jamie is a breast cancer survivor. Lastly, it doesn't matter squat that Jackie didn't know who Jamie was or if she had cancer, honestly does that matter to you? She made fun of a client's breasts behind her back with her catty assistant within earshot of the client's boyfriend! Does that not register with you or do you do the same thing with your clients? I'm not getting your change of pace here. What I can suggest is to do a google search if you want a fun light conversation about Workout, you will be hard pressed to find one because judging by the blog replies to Warner and Peeler, people dislike Warner and they feel Peeler was wronged even after last nights show (which I did not watch because I'm on boycott). Oh one more thing, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that Doug's friends were uncomfortable and are going to stick with the woman in power. Jackie has the show, the power and the name behind her and I'm sure she donated some of her many many JW products to the cause not to mention attached her name to it (which was still in good standing at the time) you don't know what goes on behind closed doors with Doug's friends and Peeler. If they want to stick with Jackie on this then they're wrong, Jackie and Doug were NOT close, not even, she just had the name...think about that.