I suppose I best give my info about this also since I have to take fiber.

Senna and the probiotic achido<can't spell it>. The Senna is good to

counteract the pain med, the rest is just plain great way to keep

oneself going. <forgive the pun>

Kari Ana

OMG

Two Lesbians have emerged on Grey's Anatomy, it is two of the Lead Characters. The show was so moving tonight I am now a true ABC fan.

To hell with Bravo and NBC...

Fox News, Are you FN kidding me... Hardcore Republican Spin Machine is now Stroking Ms. Warner... This is a desperate attempt to get to the GLBT that has shunned her in Shame...

Won't last Ms. Warner+Fox News! Every credible News and Fitness expert will challenge everything...

Now I want to hear from those in Ms. Warner's camp! How there Ms.Warner is with Fox and all of its hate for GLBT and the Millions it funnels into the Republic Party. (for those who are REP I know some of you are trying to change the party from within)

Did you see McCain on Ellen? He spoke out against same sex marriage.
You should have seen Ellen's face....

Sorry I am just rambling...

We need to write to the Advocate, Bravo and GLAAD again...

Liam, Get to work on the links and addresses PLEASE.

I am leaving for Vegas tomorrow to see CHER....Be back on Tuesday...

I first learned of acidophilus & probiotics when I had an overgrowth of candida in my gut.

So I know what ya mean. Western medicine was not helping (topical ointments, my a$$)

Thank the gods for health food stores and alternative health practitioners.

No surprise about ABC, they are owned by Disney which is extremely progay.

Some other progay companies? Ford, Kraft and Proctor & Gamble

Each one faced boycotts from religious fundamentalist groups due to their stance on gay issues and each one told them to take a flying f*ck, so support them with your gay (and straight) dollars!

It is good both ways. It is also catching on. People find after a few

days of seeing my posts. Sometimes the mind will just adjust allowing

the person seeing it to realize how much easier it is to read. The

reason it works writing is that you have to double space before the

sentence goes into single space. I don't tell my computer to do it

because it is the discipline of knowing where I am as I type which

gives my mind the absolute NEED to slow down enough for my brain to

be actively engaged. Otherwise I'd have worse runon sentences than

I do now and I lose tract of my points and never finish my sentences.

I stumbled onto this one day. My doctor was jazzed because it gave

him something to spread around. There are a lot more Aspergers people

than they would have believed just ten years ago. Someday I may

write a book about my coping mechinisms. Once I knew the problem

I began noticing and came up with lots.

Kari Ana

I first learned of Asperger's syndrome on America's Next Top Model

So, see reality TV can be a positive and educational medium, as well as a vehicle for change in our society.

Thank you, Ken Mok & Tyra Banks!

Liam I am well aware of the above mentioned boycotts, this is to do with Bravo and Ms. Warner.
So is it safe to assume you will honor my request for the List???

I Agree with Kari, WE HAVE LOST SOME OF OUR FOCUS....

Yes, Sir! (jumps to attention and clicks his heels)

Would there be anything else Sir!

I wonder what LARAGMAG thinks of Warner in bed with FOX News...

Bill O'reil, Jerry Falwell and the whole lot over at FOX news that run every story the can get their hands on for A CONSTITUTIONAL BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE and GAY RIGHTS....

I am so FN MAD .....

I have been trashed on here for a FN week by people saying its because she is a Gay Woman.

What do you think of your God Jackie now that she is working with FOX NEWS?????

Sorry! I am Angry as hell. I just watched such a good show on ABC that made 2 woman kissing a Beautiful thing.
I come back to this BS of Jackie and FOX news.

I would take this up myself.... I have spent a bundle on 4 tickets and rooms for my friends. It was booked back in FEB the first day tickets went on sale...

Let me remind all of you about CHER. She hated Chastity for being a Gay Woman, it took her years to accept her own Daughter! Now she is one of the Largest Supporter of GLBT rights and employs hundreds of Gay and Lesbians...

I wanted to add she also employs Straights, African Americans, Whites, Latinas, Native Americans and Asians.

I am going to do more than write letters! When i get back I am taking several post and footage to the next GLBT business meeting at our local Gay and Lesbian Center. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE ELSE TO DO THE SAME.... I am also on next years Pride Committee, I promise you she will be brought up there as well...

Do you know how large our community is out here??? 3 rd next to SF & WEHO.....

Didn't mean to be so insistent. I am sorry my Blood is now Boiling...

Contact information for several LGBT Organizations and Media Outlets
Call, email & write to let them know your feelings about Work Out and or Jackie Warner

THE ADVOCATE

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GLAAD

http://www.glaad.org/action/report.php

entertainment@glaad.org

Thank you, I will bring you something back from Vegas for this...

As you wish Master (gives a little "I Dream of Jeannnie" nod & bow)
(crosses arms and with a dramatic blink/head knod) Done!

I hope it's a postcard or a T-shirt, cuz I'm up to my armpits in tanned, toned, chorus boys already!

Speaking of Cher, I was just wondering earlier today, whatever happened to Lori Davis and her haircare line? I'm not sure why I thought of it but I did.

As the link that I shown you mentioned Adam's PR services were discontinued even though the charity had already folded. Most of the comments relating to Adam's autism remarks were supportive of Adam.

I don't like Fox News. Anything owned by Rupert Murdoch promotes bigotry. With that being said gay people have to get their message out to people that disagree. It's the only way to make progress.

Good question will have to Google Search...

First posted may 15th! Did I mention that I love you, Kari Ana

What happened to TrueRealiquilty not brave enough to attack her own community and the community that supported what we thought was a friend in Ms. Warner and Bravo... Now what do you people have to say?

I am also gone for the weekend! so don't spin this as I have given up and left.... I AM NOT GOING ANY FN WERE AND THIS IS NOW A LARGER ISSUE FOR ME.....

She is getting paid its a spot on there Website...

No my friend you support hate! Look at all of our previous post. They are attacking people on their opinion.

Jackie will do anything for a buck.

Let me remind you, you have personally attacked me. You know nothing about me.
Practice what you preach and do something for our community and not attack those that are a part of it or support it.

You want to have an opinion and a disagreement with some of our post. That is fine and welcome. Do it with some respect for others....

Don't bite of your nose too spite your face. If you are a part of bravo and workout, you might want to do something positive to change that environment. After all we (yes I am saying that because everyone here watches that show and network) are the viewers that buy products from your Advertisers and Sponsors that PAY EVERYONE's SALARY....

Your checks are not just printed...

I understand your frustration JC, I really do. But don't get too upset. I personally feel this is a very positive occurrence.

We have been continually bashed as not supporting the LGBT community and told we were not helping "our own" causes. But now Jackie Warner is proving our point for us. She is literally in business with the enemy. Sounds to me like it may be a case of "any port in a storm", but I must say, it's a huge score for you and I (and all of the other Gays and lesbians-and our supporters) who have been attacked and accused of harboring hidden agendas against our own communities.

I know if I were a celebrity I might go on FOX Broadcasting -home to The Simpsons and American Idol

But I would absolutely never go on FOX News -home to Bill O'Reilly, Rabid Homophobes and the Conservative Republican Christian Right.
I would feel like I was not only turning my back on my own community but selling my very soul.

I don't care how much money I could potentially make, I know the public would see that greed and avarice were my only priorities.

I'm just speaking for myself, as a gay man who is more concerned with his community than money of course.

Thank you. I might need some of that cat nip, do you think it works on people.

Silence equals Death...

Thanks for listening... I am going to bed, good night all...

I see Soy Joy still loves someone.

Falalalalalalalala

I'm just a boy
with a whole lot of
Soy JOOOOOOOOY

Falalalalalalalala

Oh Please Papa Bear. The list of gay celebrities or gay and lesbians in general, who are either employed directly by or have appeared on Fox many times, is endless. Not to mention the many gays who are out and proud in other areas of Murdoch's empire. Page Six/ NY Post home to a number of proud gays and lesbians just to name one of many.

Jackie giving Fox News 10 seconds of nothing in accordance with the promotional team's media placements, which correspond directly with the DVD release date, doesn't equate to anything other than giving the big bad bear of the desert something to howl about. Meanwhile Clayim is jumping up and down clapping and cackling with glee.

I’d be appalled if it wasn’t such a sad but cute image.

I believe we are appalled by it being FOX News where Jackie appeared, but you stated the list of gay celebrities who have appeared is endless, could you supply me with a few examples of that endless list? I'm genuinely curious. Your friend, Clayim

Jack123 I'm feeling a little left out, you answered Papa Bears' post but you ignored mine..... Or perhaps I'm being paranoid and you simply didn't see it. If so, here it is again. Your Clayim I'd love to hear your opinion on it. Your posts are always so... insightful. (sigh, now I'm gushing)

And just so y'all don't think my papa Bear is just blowing smoke.


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That isn't even close to the truth. He got national coverage for what he said, Jackie even didn't get close to the backlash he had. There are thousands of posts against Adam using the word "retard". Sponsors pulled and the outcry was enormous. Just Google search "Big Brother Adam Loses Job" and you'll get pages upon pages about the incident.

In all of the interviews done with Adam, even Adam discusses the public outcry and his losing his job. He apologizes over and over again for what he said, and I think that very act is what calmed down the anger over this issue. Something Jackie could learn from.

You are trying to twist an incident to fit your argument, and in this case, it actually proves the exact opposite. As I said, just do a Google search and how can you possibly say that was not a huge backlash? Why then did sponsors pull? Just because YOU say that there was no consequence for his actions doesn't make it true. Any investigation into that matter proves you entirely wrong.

Here is a direct quote from TV Guide:

Did you know that cat urine glows under a blacklight?

Gypsy in FL

Hey Gypsy, I'm still scrolling through the posts

Well, to be honet, the thought to try it never even crossed my mind. I wonder who it was that decided this was something to check out. I have to go to the golf tournament for a while. Ya'll have a good day and play nice with the other posters. No hitting, no biting, to kicking and for the love of God and all that is holy, NO SCREAMING!!

Gypsy...I don't smell smoke in Port St Lucie this morning...did the rain stop the fires in your neck of the woods?

Clara...please except my most sincere apologies. I was hoping to draw out the "others" while the sun was still shining. I can't stay up all night waiting. How would you like that cooked? If over medium I won't cook it for you. Why not just eat a shoe or maybe some charcoal? No spinach the rest of this week. Only salad.

Good morning DrB...I just scrolled thru last nights posts...seems we had but one brief visit from the hater camp...hmmmm

Hey nelson! I got up to pee around 3:30 and checked to see if anyone was here but true came, left a reply and then left. I don't remember if I have ever been on when Jack123 has been on but he/she came be long enough to tease Liam, then left. Never did answer Liam's question.

Hmmm. I replied to this moments ago and it did not appear...WTF?

Anyway, what I said was...it seems that the few haters do not seem interested in any legitimate discussion. And as a straight woman, they make me feel very uncomfortable. I have no hidden agenda. I am certain it must be quite frustrating for you as well, to be accused of not REALLY being a lesbian. Thank you for handling the nonsense with such humor...you make me laugh

You'll have to refresh my memory...I really dont' remember responding to you personally and taking anything you said out of context. If I did...please point it out and we can discuss it. I simply don't remember.

My comment on gay bars was from my experience in gay bars. That summer we went to around 30+, in addition we went to two or three gay campgrounds. Don't even ask me about those. They were an anti gays dream. Was what I said insulting? I dont' really care if it was.

I was under the impression that the gay community actually gave a crap about AIDS. But when I see (and unfortunatley I did see some of it, cause in gay bars, the women's room floor is always sticky) I think differently. Maybe it's an east coast thing.

I lost three friends to AIDS and have a few that are HIV+. Frankly I don't feel so bad for the ones that are HIV+ because they made thier own bed. How can you feel sorrow for someone that plays russian roulette all the time. I feel the same way about unwanted pregnancies for the most part. In today's world there is NO reason why anyone consenting to sex has an unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes the products fail, but the rate is miniscule when the products are used correctly.

Yeah people are flawed, but choosing to put yourself in a position where you catch a disease, well what can you do.

No I am certainly not perfect and I might slip and die in the shower. I try to minimize the crap that goes into my body by eating organic, eating grass fed meat and growing a lot of my own stuff. I exercise and just try to lead a healthy lifestyle. I don't have unprotected sex, nor do I have sex with someone I don't know intimately.

It's all about choices. Some people make good ones some make bad ones.Everyone makes mistakes, I learn from mine, some people don't.

So am I.
It seems that the horsemen of the apocalypse only show up now when everyone leaves except Snagglepuss. Either they loveeeee Snagglepuss, or they feel safer without the rest of us. I have to admire the mature answer,that it is OK if Jackie is in bed with Fox News because many other gay icons, which I can't remember or be bothered to point out their names or products, went on there to promote their businesses.
I have a dead uncle, God rest his soul. Nice guy till it came to selling horses. I was told that once he actually used a few cans of black shoe polish to make a horse look better to sell it to a family that wanted a black beauty lookalike. Big news here, just because he was part of the family, that still did not make that right, and it put everyone associated with him in a very bad light, hurting reputations.

I have to go now, will check back in later. The freezer at the food bank is back up, and a few of my employees are going to move the food back from the butcher's.

Much to the horror of those who have accused many of us of being friendless, lonely, pathethic people with no lives and in need of Match.com....I imagine that many of us will be busy with friends and family over this Holiday weekend. A safe and happy one to all (even the haters) See everyone back here on Tuesday!

JC...have the time of your life! I'm really jealous..would love to see Cher's new Vegas show.

Thank you I am really looking forward to it... I have seen Cher 3 times in the past and it is the best show.... I even have a CHER Barbie. she is usually the "Star" on the top of my Christmas Tree... hehe now how gay is that....

Oh what the hell...maybe as well keep fanning the flames a little :-) It is a long weekend. This is another post taken from the Workout chat at IMDB. I find the bold part interesting.



As I said, it is an older interview....It is dated 3/20/07...
For all who would like to read the entire 2 page interview http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianact...ieInterview.htm

For those just interested in that one part--->>>> Here ya go.

Do you have much say over what gets aired?
I have a lot of trust, but I also have a say. I’m in endless meetings with the producers to discuss the show. I’ve seen the first couple of episodes. Am I critical of it? Yeah. Mostly, though it’s about looks. Oh, my god, I look exhausted and stressed., like I’m going through some serious stuff. I think that’s going to be very evident in the first [episodes.] It’s showing all over me that I’m going through the ringer. That’s what disturbs me more than the content of the show. Do I have ultimate control over what hits the cutting room floor? No. But do I have the ear of the executive producer, constantly discussing these issues and what should and shouldn’t be aired. Yes. That’s how I prefer to do it because if I had my druthers, I would cut everything. But you have to have a show out of something.

Kiasmama
To say, "Was what I said insulting? I don't really care if it was" in my opinion is no better than the responses made by Dacia & Jack.
If you have an issue with another poster please Message them directly, there is enough mud slinging going on here already. Kisa B is entitled to her opinion.

Let me make a few comments on your narrow view of the HIV/AIDS epidemic.

1. 20 million people are infect around the world! I would love for you to tell there friends and family that they, "all asked and deserve this".

2. Back in the 80's when this all started (HIV/AIDS) people had no Idea where and how they were infected. People who went into surgery were coming out and dying from a simple transfusion.

3. 10 million Africans now have this horrible disease most are children. Are you telling me that they are all barebacking in Gay Bars? Birth control is not part of their society, most are third world country's with no money and access to health care.

4. I have been to Gay Bars all over the World! I have never seen this kind of behavior you are alluding too going on in Restrooms.

5. The numbers of new cases in this Country have been on the decline for a couple of years now.

6. Sure some (do to condom availability and how they view there use in there own culture and religious belief) people have the right to make decisions on how they practice to engage in sexual behavior! But plane and simple people are dying and there friends and family are grieving.

So don't make a wide and general assumptions for the entire World of how and why they are Infected.

Please do not respond to this, if you have an issue with it or me you can send me a PVT message. This is a forum for Bravo and Workout.

Kiasmama, (BTW been meaning to ask, and this may sound stupid or someone has already asked it.... but) is your screenname a reference to your daughter?) Just curious, I wondered if you are Kia's Mama- (cuz I know a few of us -me included- have referred to you simply as Kia.)


Anyway, I just had a quick little statement regarding your comments in the above post. And obviously you are entitled to your opinion, so please don't take offense.
I was saddened and disappointed by this statement above "Frankly I don't feel so bad for the ones that are HIV+ because they made thier own bed. How can you feel sorrow for someone that plays russian roulette all the time."
I too have many HIV+ friends and love ones. I equate the above statement to this... It would be like saying -"Everyone who gets behind the wheel of a car knows the risks, and if they get injured, well I don't feel sorry for them."

Because sometimes by just living your life, accidents can happen. And even if I knew for a fact that someone was speeding and/or had run a red light, crashed and became a paraplegic (or even died), I would never make the statement that they deserved it.
Because from my point of view (and again, just an opinion) having compassion is really a great part of being human. Especially since some of the people who are injured (or killed) in car accidents, were simply just living their lives "following the rules of the road" and definitely didn't "deserve it".

I'm not sure if this analogy is accurate to the situation, but it's the best one I can come up with right now. Because sometimes bad things happen to good people. But even when bad things happen to bad people, I would still like to believe there are people in the world who would be willing to help those individuals, regardless of how they got in that state. I personally try to remember that sometimes there are extenuating circumstances (that I may know nothing about) and everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, and at the very least everyone deserves some simple human compassion.

Hope I didn't offend you, but I did see some fallacies in your above statement, and felt the need to express my thoughts. Thanks for listening.

Also, regarding your previous post where you referenced AIDS Fundraisers and guys Barebacking in the bathroom. It surprised me at the time because, you're a woman and..... (I know that we all occasionally will use each others facilities), but even if some individuals were doing that. It does not mean all people do that. Even if 99.9% of a population does something, I try to never say- "Well all of those people behave this way". Because that is still only some of those people. And there would be a few who do not behave that way and should not be lumped in with the majority. Hope you can see the distinction. And their are a few HIV+ people who bareback with other HIV+ people, and would never knowingly spread a disease (increasing their viral loads is a whole other topic). But just because I may see someone doing something that to me seems extreme, I try not to judge too harshly, because there may be circumstances I know absolutely nothing about.

I was so angry that Heather didn't win. I know she had problems but

a small amount of patience and holding up cue cards would have

fixed that problem. They submarined her. Anyway, I began admitting

that it is Aspergers because of ANTM.

Kari Ana

I thought it was Sonny who devastated Chastity because of his

vote for the Ban on Gay Marriage. I had no idea Cher had problems.

She always seemed so cool about it. Of course I don't know them. I

suppose I got that all wrong. Imagine what it did to Sonny to vote

against his daughter. I have always had a problem with his death. It

seemed his sweetheart deal with the Conservatives was out the door

after that vote against Gay Marriage. I believe he was forced to vote

for the ban. They knew he could not be controlled and then suddenly

he was gone. Such suspicious circumstances. One week after Michael

Kennedy's death and a conservative is killed the same way. Was that

truly conincidence??

Kari Ana

Considering Fox News is licensed as Entertainment we should begin

calling Fox News,

FOX NEWS ENTERTAINMENT.

This is what they truly are after all. Not real news. On the level

of all of telephone pyschic lines. Entertainment only.

Kari Ana

Reality TV can equal a positive vehicle for change..... and still be entertaining and get huge ratings.

Seems like America's Next Top Model knows how to do things right, oops am I repeating myself?