DrB, you crack job! You have to get over being so shy and just start trying to express what you really feel about things!

HEY! We are not "nut jobs" we are "crack jobs", get your terms straight, girl!
Glad you enjoyed the concert! Welcome back!

After lurking with mild amusement, I can finally post.

1) Jackie still got it wrong on the brain/sugar/drug thing. And what the hell is "free base heroin" anyway?

2) Citizen protests/boycotts have NOTHING to do with the First Amendment. For the record, I didn't sign the petition, I don't use any of the advertisers' products, so nothing to stop buying, and I watch MSNBC and BRAVO (I haven't bought GE products in decades because they make plutonuium triggers for N bombs and other things that "bring good things to life," hey, I do what I can.) If the GOVERNMENT were trying to take Jackie off the air for what she had said or censor her in some way (other than time, place, manner) THEN we'd be talking 1st Am. Jackie defenders who want to bandy about the Bill of Rights/Constitution should consider reading/understanding it first.

3) Don't saddle me with the obligation to idolize each and every gay with a TV show as if they were a station of the homosexual cross. I'm older than Jackie; I came out at 14 in a tiny town and had (occassionally physical) hell to pay for it. I don't expect her to be a "role model" and I sure as hell don't think she is one (I do hope she actually gets some treatment for her narcissistic personality disorder.) And Mary, the last thing in the world I've ever watched the show for is exercise tips - Jackie probably couldn't do my workout. Most of us (some?) know it's about entertainment and DRAMA SELLS, and will keep selling (it even says as much on the t-shirts, folks.)

4) Almost forgot. The buck stops with Jackie. She participated in a negative convo w/an employee about a client's body in a gym she owns of all places. (Depending on releases signed, Jackie is a labor lawsuit waiting to happen ESPECIALLY in that jurisdiction.) Only the 17th or 18th unprofessional thing she's done (at least), but hell, I admit that's why I watch the damn show, for the bad behavior. And to fantasize about giving Erika a little "boot camp" . . . I see people working out every day who actually know what they're doing, I don't need to wait for Tuesdays to roll around to see 3 min from an egomaniacal stereotypical Uhaul lesbian and her terrorized/TVized trainers.

5) I haven't taken up this cause. I understand why others have. I think Jackie's actions were offensive and her failure to own it since typical of a NPD. I have Marched on Washington ('93), battled against 21.06 (any of y'all Texans remember that one and the reason we no longer have it?), am swimming many, many miles against malaria this summer and have worked against the death penalty for years w/a major retrial coming up in a case of actual innocence, not a "technicality." I'm sure I'm not the only one who can handle multiple causes and my "gay" ones are far outnumbered by others even though I'm a lesbian - I guess some of you would call me "self-loathing" for that. LOL

Did barbie enjoy the show too?
Oh, yeah, just to update you a little, we are now to be called "crack jobs". Ms. Warner insists on it. And you know, she must have her way or things get a bit ugly!

Who says you have to give up your delightful delusion?! (Especially if she is really good with a dust buster! - you KNOW my feelings on dust!) At least YOUR delusion harms no one... Dream on DrB, Dream on!!!!!

Pumpitup...it's always refreshing to hear an open, honest and refreshing viewpoint. Thank you!

Did anyone else notice that Dr. Shirley said to Jackie that maybe she was "unconsiously" sabotaging herself? It should have been subconsiously!! Unconsious and Jackie wouldn't be awake!!!

*puts box of tastykakes and six pack of soda back on shelf*




I actually belong to the Society for Neuroscience....see I'm one of the researchers that is DOING research on addiction. 2003 is a lifetime ago in relation to a study on addiction. I do research with cocaine and sucrose. Where do you want me to start?

Your love jackie must have used this same article when giving her "sugar is like shooting heroin" speech in her recently posted interview. If you actually understood what the study was talking about, I wouldn't need to point out how absurd that statement is. When you actually read the study, and not a paragraph about it, let me know and we'll talk about it. Till then, keep rolling with the soundbites that will sell your dvds and protein powders and menu items.





She claim to know all about nutrition. She claims that sugar is bad for you, which is simply not true. Glucose makes your brain function.
In case you didn't know it....skinny doesn't mean healthy, but again your love jackie isn't concerned with nutrition or health, she's concerned with someone being hot and fitting into a stereotype rather than being physically and mentally healthy. Why am I not surprised.

Ad Homenins aplenty. Try some substance next time.

thanks B. Eh, I don't take this jackie person seriously. In fact I feel pity for her that her life is so meaningless and her arguments so flawed that she needs to rely on ad homenims to boost her side. A shame really. Thanks again..you are a true friend! Glad this network connection reaches to the basement!!

so does that mean you've been masterbating all this time?

Oh, she's awake....and dreaming about her fab self! Or so she thinks....what a shame she has become so full of herself.

Hey Kia, not too shabby for a "crack job"!
If YOU are a crack job, I wonder what that makes Ms. Warner?!

Really, people should be a little more careful before they resort to calling other people nasty little names!

yes, different opinions make the world go around...if we all thought the same way, no one would learn anything new.

wait till you see my other personality!

Hey y'all,
I don't want to stir nothing up at all. but, it seems to me that that is not a different opinion. Other boards have written about this one, and when someone likes jackie, they are either ignored, or put down for their opinion. I happen to like Jackie. Has she made mistakes? yep. so has peeler and others. not like she knew at the time that the woman had breast cancer. i think this board should stick to issues about the show, thats all i am saying. the personal stuff between some of you guys should probably be sent to eachother in emails. not to be mean, seems everyone here is nice, but its a board for the show, thats all. sorry if i offend anyone don't mean to

I don't think so but if I have, I am REALLY good!!

Jacke123...oh, I mean chefdaddy123...I am not a Peeler lover and he has made his mistakes. Jackie needs to own up to her stuff and apologize. If she had this board would be pretty quite. I don't hate Jackie. I hate what she stands for. I don't think she knew Jamie had cancer and was a survivor but I think once everything came to light she should have stood up and said, "You know what, I screwed up. I am so sorry." Period. End of story.

Why should we who are on these boards not enjoy some of the personal stuff? Why does that offend you? Just like those of us who have turned off Work Out, you can chose to tune us out as well. Tell Dacia I said hello.

I love this quesiton. Actually, I've asked this question (in a fashion) on the board , previously.
If this were a situation where I could choose ANY trainer, my choice would have been Doug Bladesdale. He seemed to be the kind of trainer who was far more interested in healing and "flow" than in how his clients "made him look". However, I don't really feel a simular "draw" to many of the current trainers.

Gypsy In FL

I guess i offended. I am really not jackie 123 or anyone you think. I am just trying to say, people should respect. And, your message to me shows you don't. I respect everyone here, I just think the board should be used for the show. I am sorry you are offended. I don't want to offend. I think personal stuff should be going to boards like, on yahoo. they have a lot of boards for people that want to write things about themselves, and make friends. This board is for bravo workout. And, just because I happen to like jackie, i should not be disrespected. just because someone has a different opinion does not mean they are jackie or anyone that some people don't like. I am a big top chef fan, but i do watch workout sometimes. not a huge fan, but wanted to see what the board was saying, and I read some stuff that seemed a little out of whack, on both sides of the argument. I don't like to see people getting attacked for a different opinion. I feel like that is maybe what you just did to me only because i like jackie and i suggested personal stuff should not take up the board. i am not trying to make enemies at all. I dont want to have people attacking me.

I think i would want plitt. I am a bodybuilder, and I like to try to hit heavy weights. He seems to be the best fit for me. plus, he seems really cool.

How did I disrespect you? By calling you Jack123? He/she got slammed on Sat. for making fun of a person on this board and suddenly he was gone and chefdaddy123 shows up. What is one to think? If I disrespected you, I apologize. If you would lilke to debate the issues of the show, I am so open.

Here are my issues: Jackie has used her position of power to exploit those who work for her for her own sexual desires.

Jackie has used the double standard of demanding respect for her and her position and yet does not show nor give respect to those she is around.

Jackie has lied or Lisa has about Jackie's role in the Jamie Eason situation. Either Jackie was in the room and made comments she should apologize for or Lisa is lying. Lisa blogged on 5/6 that Jackie was a part of the conversation. Lisa has all my respect and I don't think she should be fired. She owned her stuff and you will be hard pressed to find much about her after her apology. Someone please tell me, is Lisa lying or is Jackie? That's what I want to know.

Jackie started out on this saga with a healthy dose of self esteem. In my opinion, Jackie has lost sight of the fact that her show has the ability to show those who are afraid of and unsure of the LGBT community that we are just like everyone else. We want to be successful, we want to be loved, we want to make a difference and we want others to be who they are and let us be who we are. We lesbians are not out to recruit nor are we out to initiate every straight girl we can into the benefits of being a lesbian...

These are my main issues...I welcome your thoughts.

You0 disrespected me by implying that I am someone else other than who I am . You called me Jackie123 (this is someone that you don't like, i guess) and then dacia(you don't like her i guess). so, that was kind of aggressive for no reason other than a different opinion of your own. I think its fine that you dont like jackie. you are defintelty entitled to your opinion. i respect that. maybe she acts in ways you dont like. fine again. no problem here. I happen to like her. thats all. that does not make me bad, or someone that is not entitled to post on here without being bashed by calling me other names that you seem not to like. i am not anyone else, maybe i have the same opinion of jackie (i have not read all the posts on that) but that does not make me unworthy of a respectful reply. you are basically attacking me by saying i am being dishonest about who i am because i don't agree. I dont think that is worthy of this board, thats all.

chefdaddy123...why do you think Lisa is lying?

Something ON TOPIC--Sort of...
For those of us have seen last night's episode, I'm just chatting up and offering my own warped perspective.
I was sort of STUNNED ...and then...sort of not about Jackie Warner picking up her mother at the airport and then "springing it on her mother" that Briana's mother and sister were coming to stay as well.
Part of me was thinking "What kind of person does this kind of thing to their own mother." But the answer was there all the time.... it does seem kind of consistent with Jw's behaviour (definately in this season, and probably inklings in other seasons).
JW said that her mother has issues with her being gay and seems to attribute all of her mother's rediscence to that mind-set. However, during the inserts where JW's mother was talking by herself, she said she didn't know Briana and was concerned for Jackie because she just came out of a difficult relationship. Although I realize that Jackie's mother could have an issue with JW being gay AND be concerned about her getting into a live-in relationship so quickly. It seemed to me as though JW's mother is making an effort at refocusing and trying to express her concern for her daughter in an acceptable manner.
For someone seeking "understanding" from her mother, I thought JW's reaction to her mother's lack of social interaction on the first night of her stay was--well lacking in understanding.
Mom said she had a terrible headache, and she had this "family gathering" thing sprung on her, and then she has to endure her daughters censure that she "needs to be social"....hmmfff....
Have more, but will put it in another post so this doesn't become the LONG LINGERING POST!

Gypsy in FL

You still watch the show ? WOW..................

chefdaddy: Do you think it is OK for a person in a position of power and authority to have ANY sexual contact, be that flirting or actual sexual intercourse, with anyone who works for them? Is that even legal? Or moral or ethical?

didnt now we could pick past trainers. or even those who have passed
I pick Doug to....

Jesse is my type physically but I like a guy who acts and sounds like a man

Not some one sounds like he needs to put the seat down just to pee!

AND ANOTHER THING!!! (winks)
Ok this another issue from last night's episode:
Jackie Warner was talking to (I think her name is "Andrea" but not sure) DVD manager about appointments to see the routine and the scheduling for the shooting of the DVD. As she's explaining the schedule and the time crunch, JW confesses that she is not ready. She also comments "Way to put the pressure on".
Whatever "editing" there might be, we did all see JW agree to the time-table as it was first presented to her.
We also see Jackie Warner speaking to her counselor about being overwhelmed and over committed and concerned that if she's "not there" her business will go down the tubes. However she seems to be either unwilling or unable to accept her own roll in her taking on too much to reasonably do.
Actually this also seems consistent with the "Season Three-Jackie" that we've come to know....."So many things happening around her and to her" and she has "absolutely no responsibility in their occurence."..
Gypsy in FL

Gypsy...I have to side with Jackie here (GOD!!! DID I JUST SAY THAT???!!???)

My mother has dismissed my relationship for years and there were times at the beginning that I didn't tell her something until I absolutely had to and even then, there were times I just let her find out some things on her own. So I can totally relate to waiting until the very last minute. And for me, I always wanted Alex at least in the house when I told my mom something. Seemed at the time that it lessened the fear. Alex always would say to me, "What is she going to do, kill you?" There are times I thought she might.

But all that being said, I was just as disrespectful of her as she of me in not letting her kind of hang herself with her discomfort. Since then, we have learned the dance of her hate and my want.

By this reconning, I guess all female trainers would be inadequate to suit your needs, as well.
Gypsy in FL

wow people here pick on Jackie allot! I thought it was just a stoopid tv show...

my bad... back to the TC boards...

I sometimes like to pee like a Girl!

When I am tired or just being lazy, "pulling down you pants and boy panties to have a seat is a great way to take a load off"...

I agree (Jesse could you butch it up some)! I can't watch him without a little bit of Sweet Sugary Coke coming up into my throat and mouth (the girly man makes me kind of sick).

That's definitely a picture my sister! We look nothing alike, I'm the slender pretty one.



Well said, fgnelson and Pumpitup!

no offense to those who can't pee standin up!

I had a friend who tried to put a urinal in his home and the city said NO to the permits, he finally used "water conservation' as an excuse and they gave in...

Loved Vegas....

Loved Cher....(A Real Celebrity) Singing, Acting & Dancing... Plus one hell of a list of Awards....

It was the best show I have seen! Allot of old and new songs as well as great dancing...

Everyone should go see this show... (there are two woman kissing in an Cirque De Sol segment of the show) You must be 21 and older and a lover not a hater....

JCpalmsprings,
I'm so glad you enjoyed the show. That's the kind of experience you can kind of "float on" for days and days.
I was supposed to go see Tony Orlando (sans Dawn) this week at Epcot, but that's not going to happen (pouts).
I'm so pleased for you.
Gypsy in FL

i'm gonna go way out on a limb here...DrB help me with this.....remember unity comes from understanding....as a straight, married mom...I have often wondered what I would do and how I would react if one of my children were born gay....I think I would feel heartbroken (stay with me here)because I know how vicious society can and will be when you don't fit the "norm". I did not not watch the episode last night, but I can imagine that a mother would feel (Cher) the need to shield her child from hurt. Again, I am looking for education here.......

Hi,
Welcome to the boards! You will not get hate messages from me. I can see someone wanting Jackie. I like honest opinions without any hate.

Oh I really like your nick! In a way we are all addicts.

Alexrb,
I tend to be a bit too purest for my own good. The fact that JW's mother has issues with JW's life doesn't necessarily (in my view) mean that it's fine for JW to discount her mothers feelings in "all regards".
I think the whole "not telling her mother" was a bit of emotional blackmail. It's like saying "Here I've got you trapped, until you see it my way." I don't think that is something that promotes understanding or exchange of communication or sympathies.
Just my 2 scheckles.
Gypsy in FL

Actually Jackie says no more then 9g of sugar per meal. And the F.D.A and the U.S.D.A recommend a daily limit of 40g of sugar.

Hello Kiasmama,
I would like to welcome you to the has had stuff slung at them from Jack123 club. What Jack123 doesn't seem to understand trying to insult someone about something they have no reason to be ashamed of, only hurts the accuser.

I for one am thankful that you are doing this research. I was also appalled at the "sugar" tear that Jackie Warner is on. In another post on another workout board, which I will post below, I was wondering if things have changed since I was told this.
"I agree sugar is one major enemy and easy to abuse, but she totally left out empty carbs, which is the main problem. I hear her discussing how much sugar but never mentions the glycemic index of a food. A food with a high glycemic value will act just like pure sugar, and is just as dangerous for your body. If you tell someone to cut out sugar, they will substitute with high glycemic foods, exactly like a smoker cutting back to lower nicotine cigarettes will just inhale deeper and longer, getting the same nicotine from the cig, without even knowing it.
The best advice is quite simple, watch your carbs, all of them. Try not to get above 45-65 carbs per meal(harder than you might think), keep your fiber intake above 35 grams, and keep your water/liquid intake up.
White bread is high on the glycemic index where as whole wheat is lower. Here is a nice free website if you want to check on how quickly foods break down.
http://www.glycemicindex.com/
Best advice, go have an honest talk to your doctor, who can hook you up with a dietitian/nutritionist who knows what they are talking about(everyone should see one, once, just like you want to know what octane gas for your car). What I said is a suggestion, but you need what works for you. You have one body, don't just trust sound bites from someone who is not an expert on a subject."

I must learn to type more s l o w l y...

and proof what i had written,
sorry for any grammar mistakes and spelling!

i juss read this http://thesportsinterview.com/warner.html

why that old pic of Jackie?

I like the new hot jackie better with longer hair

So glad you enjoyed the show JC!
You were missed here for sure!
Where is Cher barbie's place of honor now that she is home?

Alexrb:No problems at all, let's start over!
Thank you...

I think most people fell in love with Doug.

I understand, one of my gay friends Todd, said that Jesse needs to be trained but not a trainer. He is too flaming to be a good trainer.
Being a lesbian, I have no idea, but I have heard that before. As I said before, I do not understand how he could graduate from Le Cordon Bleu, and give that up. Every chef or foodie I know, that is a passion in their blood.
It is sad that will all the loyality that he follows Jackie around with, that he will never even get close to the loyality that Jackie feels for all the female employees, even Rebecca, just because he is a guy.

OFF TOPIC!!
Has anyone seen Kari Anna?

Gypsy in FL

I do too! She does look a lot better. My cousin saw her at a charity event, and said that she looks A LOT prettier in person than she does on TV.